3736 The Biggest Mistake Of My Life - Call In Show - July 5th, 2017
Question 1: [2:18] – “What does it mean to be an evil person, and how do you distinguish an evil person from someone reacting to a traumatic past? For most of my life I grew up believing no one was really evil, but rather it was the harsh circumstances of one’s life that cornered people into evil actions. I believe this moral relativism is something our culture and government embeds into our beliefs at a young age because if we cannot recognize evil we cannot begin to fight against it.”Question 2: [30:15] – “I am 19 years old, and I Just got out of a very brief but intense relationship with an almost 30-year-old divorcee who has two children. He was suffering from many mental problems, he was an alcoholic, drug addict, and about to get kicked out of the Navy. We Initially started out with a very intense relationship that he very quickly ended which ended in disillusionment, anxiety, and a pregnancy scare. I am a very marriage minded woman, and this incident has left me questioning my values. What can I do to find myself a morally good husband?”Question 3: [2:00:35] - "On this 150th Canadian anniversary, I asked myself the following question: what is Canada? It may be because I am from Québec, but I am unable to provide an answer. I concluded that Canada is, in essence, legal fiction. It seems to me to be a country that exists on paper, but lacks any truly identifiable culture or people that unmistakably separates it from the rest of the western world. As nationalism is currently gaining strength throughout the world, how will this affect Canada? Will it lead to our country gaining some sort of identity of its own? Or will it lead to a splintering as regional identities take precedence? What will be the result of Canada's status of ‘first post-national state’ as the world goes through what will most likely be a major geopolitical shake-up in the coming decades?"Question 4: [2:43:16] – “My parents were divorced 2 years ago, and in the process I witnessed my father become a shadow of his former self. Now, all around me I see what appear to be broken men and emasculated young boys. Anyone listening to your show should know the causes of this ‘Fall of Man’, the consequences of which are deep, personal, and far-reaching. In this era, what can a youth like myself do to be a ‘real man’ amid such hostility towards masculinity and animosity towards the traditional concept of manliness?”Your support is essential to Freedomain Radio, which is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by making a one time donation or signing up for a monthly recurring donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate
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So four great callers tonight.
One in particular I treasured muchly.
The first caller, what does it mean to be an evil person?
How do you know the difference?
Between someone who was evil and someone who was just reacting to an abused or traumatic past?
A great question.
And a pretty good and important dividing line between sympathy and combat.
The second caller, yes, this is the one I was talking about.
She's 19 years old.
She just got out of a brief but very, as she describes it, intense relationship where the guy who was almost 30...
And wait till you hear just a few other details about this man.
And the conversation that followed was fantastic.
Third caller.
This year, 150th birthday of Canada.
That is some crusty maple syrup, I'm telling you, right there.
And this guy, he's from Quebec, and he's asking himself, what is Canada?
What does it mean?
To be Canadian, what values could it claim to represent?
It's a great question, and I did talk for those who are interested, and I think it's a great story.
My initial impressions of Canada in my tour of the colonies.
So, the fourth caller wants to know what has happened to men and their power.
He watched his parents get divorced two years ago and watched his father become a shadow of his former self.
He's sort of waking up to the fact that there are broken men and emasculated young boys all around him.
What is going on and what can he do to become a real man and reclaim?
His masculine power?
It's a great question.
And I'm afraid I got a little religious in the answer.
I hope it makes some sense.
It certainly did to me.
I hope it will to you.
So here we go.
Here we go.
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Alright, well first today we have Tom.
Tom wrote in and said, I have Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party
to thank for showing me what an evil person might look like.
When I witnessed so much greed and cruelty from the left, the notion that they were misguided no longer held up.
That's from Tom.
Hey Tom, how are you doing tonight?
I'm doing excellent.
It's a pleasure to speak with you today.
I appreciate that.
Let's hope we can keep it up.
So...
Evil.
Now, I mean, I've got a bunch of podcasts on evil, but it has been a while since we've talked about the topic.
So to me, you know, if a toddler finds a gun and is playing with it, and the gun goes off and shoots a dog, we don't say that the toddler is morally responsible, I would assume.
Would you agree?
Yeah.
Yeah, a toddler doesn't even know what a gun is.
I mean, doesn't know what it's for, doesn't know what the trigger is.
It's just...
Bad luck for the dog, right?
However, if there's an adult who is a gun trainer, like trains people in guns, knows what the safety is, knows how to hold it, knows how to point it, knows how to load it, knows aim for the center of man, like all this stuff, right?
If somebody trains other people in the use of firearms and that person shoots someone, They're probably a little bit more likely to be morally responsible, right?
Right.
And I don't think it's necessarily the concept of evil itself.
I feel pretty black and white.
Hang on.
We're going off in some different direction already.
Let me just finish this case, all right?
Then we'll go off in that other direction.
And the difference is, Tom, that the firearms instructor knows firearms and uses firearms and, in fact, instructs other people.
So the difference is, between the toddler and the gun instructor, is that if you lecture other people on morals, if you tell other people what is virtuous, if you use ethics, then you are susceptible to ethics.
Now, you can have had a traumatic childhood, you could have had a bad upbringing, you could have all these kinds of things.
none of that gives you the predilection to necessarily use ethics in your interactions with other people right so you know like kaczynski right the guy from k-file who recently got into i guess some hot water by talking about or talking about cnn's desire to reveal the personality of the person who created or may have created this trump wrestling cnn to the ground kind of mean You know, apparently in the past
He was really appalled at people who doxed So I was like, okay.
So now you're morally responsible.
The moment you say to other people, thou shalt not steal, then you are morally responsible for stealing.
The moment you say to other people, it's important to treat others with dignity and respect.
And the moment you start screaming at someone and calling them names, then...
You are morally responsible.
If you use ethics, you're subject to ethics.
Now, that having been said, there is a layer of abstraction that's tough for people to follow, right?
So just about everyone would say, don't steal, but it's harder for people to understand that taxation is theft.
Right?
So, there's a lot of propaganda around that, which is why when I talk to people initially, you know, if I talk to someone about ethics and they say, oh yeah, stealing from shops is cool, you know, there's like, okay, well, you're just like a really, really vile specimen and all that.
But if they say, oh no, it's important to respect property rights, you shouldn't steal, I don't immediately condemn them for not understanding that taxation is theft.
Because that...
It's kind of outside the matrix of everyday ethics that most people operate in.
So what it means to be an evil person is to have a very strong understanding of ethics, to have a very strong understanding of virtue, to use that to control other people, and then to disobey that yourself.
I'll give you a tiny example.
It's a big example historically, but it's relatively focused.
So when communists want to take over a country, they want to gain control of property in that country.
Like the Rand in South Africa just took a massive dip because there's rumors that the ANC-controlled government in South Africa is thinking of nationalizing the central bank.
And then we will...
Witness the appalling spectacle of a country enormously rich in gold having a virtually worthless currency.
Just another one of the paradoxes that happen when you go full lefty.
But the communists get into power, first thing they do, nationalize, nationalize, nationalize.
They take, they take, they take, they control, they control, they control.
And then do you know what they say?
Property is theft!
It's like, well...
In communism, it kind of is, because the government defines everything as property, as a means of production, and steals the living hell out of it from everyone else.
So, yeah, I mean, the communists say, well, you know, private property is bad, property is bad, control over the means of production is exploitation, so we want to have property, we want to control the means of exploitation.
Well, you can't condemn property and then want to nationalize stuff, because that's just the people in the government treating industries and factories and means of production they did not create as stuff to be looted.
So the thief is evil if the thief steals some guy's wallet and then someone else grabs the wallet from the thief and the thief is outraged.
Well, he's evil because he is denying property rights by stealing someone's wallet and then he's affirming property rights by being outraged that someone is stealing from him.
So if you have people in your life who use ethics, this happens on the left all the time.
All the time.
You see this with the CNN fiasco recently where it's like...
Well, if you have the realistic depiction of somebody who looks like Donald Trump being ritualistically slaughtered in a pool of blood by minorities every night that Shakespeare in the Park is running, well, that's just art, man.
That's just artistic expression.
That's free expression, man.
What are you, some kind of square who doesn't like people to express themselves?
Or Kathy Griffin holding up the severed head, you know, the usual stuff.
But then when there's a goofy meme created of Trump fake tackling a logo, suddenly this is incitement of violence because logo lives matter.
So this is the hypocrisy of the left.
They know exactly what incitement violence is, which is one of the reasons why they, I think, tend to do it quite a lot.
So they're responsible because they get all hysterical when it comes to even minor violations of ethics that they inflict upon others, and it is...
That's how we know, I think, the hideous evil of this sort of stuff.
So that's my sort of brief introduction to how you can identify evil and what it means and why evil people are responsible rather than just ignorance.
But you had a point that you wanted to make earlier?
Yeah, I think that's an excellent summary and it really hits the point on what evil is and better words than I can put.
The part that I wanted to focus on particularly, and I think it's important to add in, I grew up with a fairly Christian upbringing.
Which gets into the nature of forgiveness, which is where this comes from.
But particularly, there's this tendency to always assume that they had a hard upbringing and blah blah blah.
It was a hard childhood or hard life circumstances that led them to, you know, one step to the next, to the actions that would definitely be considered evil.
They didn't just start out this way.
Well, that's because the soul is created by God but is corrupted by the devil.
And it cannot be corrupted...
I guess in certain traditions, in Catholic tradition, I don't know if there still is, because the doctrine seems to be in flux these days.
No hell anymore, other than CNN. But there is mortal sins, right?
Where you commit a murder or something else where you cannot, no matter what, you cannot gain entrance into heaven.
But there are a lot of Christian sects or Christian belief systems wherein the potential moral perfectibility or recovery of your soul is Is always available.
Like, you can do horrible things, but if you repent and you make amends, particularly on your deathbed and so on, then you have a chance of getting into heaven.
And that's because, of course, in the Christian worldview, as is the case with most religious worldviews, you have a soul that is not of this world, not of this plane, and it is immortal and it is perfect.
And you are tempted, of course, by the devil, by the flesh, by the material...
Temptations around you, but you have this soul, and therefore the possibility of redemption and forgiveness always exists.
This does not appear to coincide with the physiology of evil, the fact that empathy is like 13 different complex mental systems that all have to develop in sequence, and if you miss the window for developing empathy, there doesn't seem to be any way or consistent way that people have of being able to regenerate empathy in you It's like the language window, you know, if you don't learn language by the age of sort of 9 or 10, you're always going to have trouble with it.
So nobody knows, I think, how to reform like sociopaths and just like straight on evil people and pedophiles and so on.
Nobody knows how to reform that group and a huge amounts of energy and effort have been poured into trying to figure that out.
So the physiology of the brain appears to harden over time and if you...
Don't have empathy.
I don't think, you know, people can correct me when this goes out as the show, but my understanding and what I've read most recently is that nobody knows how to fix empathy later on.
So the idea that you have a soul that is perfectible and the right combination of words can unlock the divine perfection of virtue within you, no matter what you've done in your life, does not appear to coincide or match The physiology of evil that,
you know, what starts off as cobwebs ends up as chains, and there does seem to become a point wherein recovery of the personality, recovery of humanity, recovery of empathy in someone appears to be, to all intents and purposes, practically impossible.
And I think that's one of the reasons, like me knowing about that, although I was raised as a Christian and accept and understand and respect some of the Christian values, in this particular instance, the idea that You can mirror Jesus' or God's capacity to forgive, and through that process, you can engender or grow virtue in another human being, that the conscience and the soul is always available to us, that virtue is always available to us.
You just need to figure out the right combination of words and gestures and whatever it is you're going to do to unlock it.
It doesn't.
If a smoker corrupts his lungs completely, they're all cancerous and all messed up.
There's no magical pair of ghostly perfect backup lungs that you can, in case of emergency, get the backup ghost lungs.
And it's the same thing with the conscience.
If you haven't developed it, if through either your choices or your environment or probably both, you just don't have a conscience, there is no ghost conscience backup that anyone knows how to activate contra to what Christianity often teaches.
Does that make sense in terms of that?
Yeah.
And I guess that runs into where I'm struggling with on a personal level is...
Because there's a part of me that knows, you know, I can look at a historical figure like a Hitler or a Stalin, and I can, I mean, they're evil.
But there's this part of me from, I mean, not just Christianity, but the way we were, like, childhood in general, that you put an actual face to it.
You know, I can look at a Barack Obama, for example, who can do drone strikes on a massive number of children in foreign countries and Generally think, well, he's probably a good guy and misguided.
And I know that's not true.
I mean, to an extent that you can do drone strikes on children, you just can't be a good person, in my opinion.
So I'm in this weird conflict of, you know, a part of me with the way I was raised and conflict the way I'm thinking now.
So I guess that's part of what I'm struggling with.
And if that's the case, you know...
What does it take to expose someone who is evil, in a sense?
If someone could do something so dramatic as, you know, Hillary Clinton with the Clinton Foundation or whatever, and I can still sit there and because I see an actual face of a human being and I can still think after all that that, oh, maybe they're misguided.
Why does it take such an extreme amount for me to see anything else?
It's a weird program.
I think it's a programming from childhood or something to get over, but...
Did you used to be on the left of the political spectrum at any point in your life?
No.
I mean, I grew up in a fairly somewhat, I guess, conservative, but almost somewhat libertarian family.
Minimal spanking and everything.
So it's, you know, that's why I'm thinking maybe somewhere in the Christian upbringing, but it's hard for me to point to.
Well, look, I mean, the desire to rescue existing power structures is very deeply embedded in our minds.
Because if we can tweak existing power structures, existing ways of organizing society, Then we don't have to have any fundamental changes.
Fundamental changes are extremely risky in societies as a whole, which is why, you know, the kick the can down the road, the extend and pretend, the borrow and borrow and borrow is what continues in society because fundamental changes are incredibly resisted, incredibly volatile, usually result in staggering levels of internecine violence and so on.
So the idea is like, well, maybe we have a terrible system.
Maybe we have a terrible system That not only attracts bad people, but makes people bad as well, as a whole.
Now, if that's the case, then trying to reform the system by having better people run it is, in the long run, going to be not working, right?
And so we have this great thirst for the idea that we can reform bad people, because If we can't reform bad people, then we have to reform bad systems.
And if we have to reform bad systems and we can't reform bad people, then we can't reform the bad systems by putting good people in there in the long run.
And therefore, we have to start looking at changing systems, which is a highly volatile thing to do and something which...
You know, it's like the guy who fell down the cliff and got his arm trapped between two rocks.
And he's like, well, the only way I can survive is by taking that pen knife and hacking off my own arm.
And it's like...
That's not first on your list.
It's like, hey, before I figure out if I'm stuck, maybe I should just hack my arm off.
It's like that's the very last resort.
And so we do have a great hunger for trying to figure out if we can make bad people good or if we can make bad systems good because the alternative, which is to change the system, is risky and difficult and provokes an enormous amount of conflict.
I mean, if you look at Donald Trump, the system that he's trying to reform is The Overton window of what is allowed to be reformed in the American political system is very small.
I mean, he's supposed to have complete control over immigration, but he can barely get anything passed in the realm of immigration.
Nobody's talking about the true libertarian goals of, say, like, no welfare state, no social security, no pensions, no...
No Medicare, no Medicaid.
Even just to extract Obamacare from the existing medical-tangled, government-controlled setup is proving to be what seems to be a nigh-impossible task.
So it is a great deal of challenge, a great deal of difficulty to change systems.
I mean, there's a great case to be made for immigration into the first world saying, look, in the next 40 years, a significant proportion of jobs are going to be automated.
And, of course, like in factories, it's been going on for a long time, but we're talking knowledge workers as well.
I mean, I don't think it's far off, and I think in some places it's already been achieved.
Of course, you know, like facial recognition computers are better.
Chess computers are now better.
medical diagnosis and proposals for treatment have been growing in leaps and bounds.
Robot surgeons, like it's not just old truckers and guys who drive forklifts and so on.
There is going to be a massive revolution in automation over the next generation, generation and a half.
So bringing in massive amounts of fairly uneducated third world people at a time when jobs are being automated like nobody's business.
People say, well, Japan's got a declining birth rate.
I saw these photos today of, here's my selfie with my sex robot.
Oh, I should probably not be saying that.
Japan, Japanese guy says, here's my selfie with my sex robot.
They say, oh, well, you know, the Japanese is like, well, but all of this automation, maybe they can provide for all of their automation.
This is a country which has more adult diapers being sold to child diapers.
But who knows how this is going to shake out.
And so, you know, this is one of the arguments, like, stop immigration, because we don't know what, there's never been a revolution like this before in history, this level of automation.
And the thing is, too, there was, in agriculture, at the turn of the last century, like, 70-75% of Americans were involved in agriculture.
Now it's like 2% and declining.
But when people left the farm, they had the cities and the factories to go to.
Now, when things are automated, at the moment, the demand for low IQ people...
The demand for repetitive skilled people, the demand for any skill that can be reliably reproduced by self-learning, by neural nets and so on, is going to decline, decline, decline.
And at the same time, bringing in all of these people, I mean, it's just, it's complete madness.
In my view, immigration should be completely rethought until this process shakes out, because who knows where it's going to land.
So you're saying it's almost, because it's easier in a sense to hope that the person can change than to take any steps, it's sort of almost like the easy way out?
Well, I wouldn't say it's necessarily the easy way out.
It's easier.
And if you can get better people into a system...
Then that's what you should do.
Like, so for instance, let's say you've got some company, just ABC company, and the doddering old founder, who was very good at the business, handed over the business to his daughter, and his daughter's terrible at it, right?
Well, in that situation, you have a good business with a bad manager, bad CEO. So then you replace the CEO, and the business recovers.
You don't just sit there and say, well, let's shut the whole thing down, because we've got a bad leader, bad manager, right?
Right?
You could have a sports team that is foundering because of a bad coach.
You don't just disband the whole sports team.
You get a better coach.
There are times where the system is reasonable, but the leadership is terrible, or the employees are terrible, or whatever it's going to be.
The business idea is good, but the people who execute it are bad.
And therefore, you don't shut down the whole thing.
You just replace the leadership.
Now, there are other times, I think, like communism.
It doesn't matter who's in charge of communism.
It's never going to work.
Never going to work.
It's a pretty funny meme floating around, you know.
Things that children need to hear.
You're special.
I love you.
You can do it.
You know, you can be anything that you want to be.
And communism has failed every single time it's been tried.
Things that children need to hear.
So communism, you can't make it.
You can't make it work.
Kidnapping people to make them love you.
Like, that's not, oh, we get a better kidnapper or kidnap the right people and so on.
And so the difference between...
A decent system that needs better leaders versus a system that is so bad that leadership...
Well, first of all, a normal sane human being would not want to be attracted to...
Would not want to be in charge of a communist system because they wouldn't have the vanity or...
But if they did, right, there's an interesting study that is worth mentioning.
You can do a search for the title.
It's called Power Robs the Brain of Empathy.
And researchers have found even the smallest bit of power, like more money, a job promotion, shuts down our ability to empathize with others, right?
So these mirror neurons, you know, like if you see this thing, these funny videos, some guy gets hit with a nut shot and you're like, oh, you know, you kind of feel it.
That's a mirror neuron that's firing.
And the mirror neurons are diminished when...
When people have more power or feel more powerful.
So power seems to grow by eating empathy, by eating mirror neurons, which is one of the reasons why if you have a shred of empathy when you go into a system of high power, it is likely that the power is going to diminish it.
So this is something to watch out for and something to be aware of.
So if power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, then all systems based on political power, on coercion, on a monopoly of the initiation of force will fail in the long run.
And this is true, you know, Trump or no Trump.
Trump, for me, is to buy time to continue to have a conversation about voluntarism within society.
He's a way of fighting demographics that will make that conversation impossible.
But he won't turn the United States government into a voluntarist paradise.
This is buying time and getting the media out of the way so we can have conversations.
Without escalating hysteria from the media.
So, yeah, it's very tempting to say, you know, is this just a bad company?
We need a better manager.
Or is it communism?
And it's got to be done away with completely.
Right.
That's interesting.
It makes me wonder, too, how much...
Just as you were going on, I kind of thought about the tangent that I feel as though I personally have gone through a lot of change in my own life in terms of improving.
I wasn't always considering myself somewhat selfish and stuff as younger, and I've changed myself a bit, at least I think and I hope so.
So I wonder how much of that is just projecting onto other people.
If I could do it Maybe they can too, but you've brought up the point that not everyone has the same capacity for empathy if it never developed at some point.
Just do it all.
IQ differences.
No, just do it all.
Just do it all.
What do you mean?
Think of a conversion to Christianity.
From what I've heard, it tends to happen as a crash boom bang.
You don't sort of buy a house...
Five miles from the church, then four miles from the church, then three miles, then put a toe inside, then it's like, boom!
I'm there, right?
I'm there.
And for me, with philosophy, if I could rewind and do some stuff over again, I would have just gone all the way early on.
Now, I went as far as I was able to go, not emotionally, but intellectually.
I generally went as far as I could go, but I did not, I went deep, I didn't go horizontal.
So if I had, I could go back and give myself advice to my younger self, which is part of what some of these conversations with y'all young men and women are about, it is to say, just go all the way.
This gradualism, in theory, is perpetuity in practice.
And so, if you're going to accept values, just accept them and do it all.
Just do it all.
It will be a relief.
There's not this one foot on the pier, one foot on the boat, drifting apart kind of nonsense situation.
You go all the way.
You commit.
You make it 150%.
You do it deep in yourself.
You do it deep into truth.
You do it horizontally across your relationships.
And you get your shit organized as quick as humanly possible so that you can enjoy the fruits of your labors.
Because we all have a lot of mental baggage to jettison, Tom, right?
I mean, it's like we're all starting this thing 400 pounds heavy.
Now, if you're 400 pounds heavy, you say, well...
I'm 30.
I think my goal is I'm going to lose a pound a year, right?
No.
You lose the weight as fast as safely possible.
I mean, if that includes chainsawing off your belly, if that were safe, you'd include that too.
You want to try and get to where you're going to be as quickly as humanly possible so you can really build things from there.
You know, like if you want to move from one place to another, you don't just take, you know, okay, here's the toothpaste cap, and now next month I'm going to take one slipper, and it's like, no, just move!
Go there, be there, build your new house there, and grow from there.
So I think a lot of what you're doing, and I could be wrong, but a lot of what you're doing is like, can I do it incrementally?
Can I do it without upsetting too much?
Can I do it without too much risk for myself, for society, for friends, for family, for relationships?
Can I do it a little bit at a time?
And you want to do that because you don't want to do it as yet.
Once you want to do it, you do it.
When I was in theater school, there was an acting teacher.
He was okay.
Not great.
But I do remember...
One thing he said.
So as actors, you know, like they're a big thing.
Can you cry?
It was a big thing.
If crying were acting, my mom would get an Oscar every year.
And so people would be like, trying to make themselves cry.
And so he said, stop that.
Don't, don't do that.
Don't do that.
And we didn't understand.
He said, okay, let me explain this to you.
So he had me sit in a chair and he said, okay, Steph, try to get out of the chair.
And I'm like, it takes a little time to try to get out of the chair.
And you're straining and you're wiggling your butt.
Try to get out of the chair.
Right?
And he's like, is that fun to watch?
And people are like, no.
It looks kind of tense and stressful, actually.
And he says, okay, Steph, get out of the chair.
And I just stood up, right?
And that has always stuck with me in terms of getting things done.
And that's been a very motivating image for me, you know?
Just get out of the chair.
Stop being a chair-sitting guy.
Get up out of the chair and walk and get where you want to go.
Don't do this incrementalism stuff.
It's torture to everyone involved.
Yeah, I can see where it leads to that.
Yeah.
It gives me a lot to think about.
That's not something to reply immediately to.
All right.
Well, listen, I got a huge mass of callers tonight.
I really appreciate the call.
I'm glad it was helpful.
Yeah, I appreciate the time, Steph.
You're very welcome, man.
Take care.
Alright, up next we have Kirsten.
She wrote in and said, I am 19 years old and I just got out of a very brief but intense relationship with an almost 30-year-old divorcee who has two children.
He was suffering from many mental problems.
He was an alcoholic, drug addict, and about to get kicked out of the Navy.
We initially started out with a very intense relationship that he very quickly ended, which ended in disillusionment, anxiety, and a pregnancy scare.
I am a very marriage-minded woman, and this incident has left me questioning my values.
What can I do to find myself a morally good husband?
That's from Kirsten.
Is it Kirsten or Kirsten?
It's Kirsten.
Kirsten?
Yeah.
Did I get that right?
Yeah, you did.
Marriage-minded woman!
Kirsten, this is how you describe yourself.
Yes, sir.
I'm not sure that you are, in fact, if I can disagree with you from the very, very beginning.
Um, I think that...
Come on, this guy was not marriage material, right?
No, no, it was quite a fall from grace.
Huh?
It was quite a fall from grace for myself.
No, don't elevate this like it was some true passionate love that just somehow mysteriously went wrong.
This guy had mauga, bauga, bauga, right?
This guy had like red flags and dangerous signs and here be quicksand and there be dragons all over him.
Don't, you can't, I'm not saying you are, but I just don't want to waste any time on this conversation, which I'm really looking forward to.
I don't want to waste any time with you saying things mysteriously went wrong.
No, no, I'm going to take full responsibility for what I did.
Okay, got it.
Like, I accept what I did was wrong, and I accept that I had quite a, I stepped into a sticky situation from the jump.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I accept it, and I know that, and I'm trying to move on from it.
Okay.
So, what was attractive about this guy?
Oh my gosh.
You know what?
From the...
Jeez, I don't know.
I have no clue.
Honestly, I feel like...
You put yourself in this kind of risk.
Alcoholic, drug addict about to get kicked out of the Navy.
I didn't know all of this.
And you're like, well, I don't know what I found attractive about him at all.
I didn't.
Okay, so listen.
I didn't know all of his problems from the jump.
You didn't know that he had mental problems?
No, I had to learn this until he was crying on his bedroom floor calling me up that he was, like, going to end it all.
You know, drunk as hell.
When he was talking about end it all, you mean the relationship or his life?
No, his life.
And are you saying that there was no indication of instability before that phone call?
No, no, no, no.
I'll dig till I find it, so you might as well fess up now.
Alright, well, when I met him, he sort of just seemed like a real rational guy.
You know, like, woo me over, being like, you know, this is who I am.
You know, I love what I do for work.
I'm a good guy, blah, blah, blah.
You know, I've seen it all.
I'm like, cool.
I think what was attractive to me was, like, the fact that he had so much life experience and Not necessarily good life experience, but to me...
No, listen, Kirsten, I am not buying any of this.
I have never met a 19-year-old woman who said, I was really attracted to his life experience.
Come on, tell me what made you tingle.
If you can't tell me what made you tingle, how on earth are you going to avoid this quicksand tingle in the future?
What was it that made him like, oh yeah, I'm jumping his bones, I'm all over that, right?
He seemed really tough and manly.
Okay, tough and manly.
Okay.
Okay, I'm not sure what your definition of masculinity is, but mine doesn't involve lying on the floor sobbing and wanting to end it all, but all right, he seemed manly.
In the wrong way.
When I first met him, he seemed like a tough, manly guy.
He presented himself as a tough, manly guy.
Yeah, because you know who has a lot of life experience?
Don Rickles.
Who is like, what, 90,000 years old or something like that now, right?
Methuselah, 850 years old, big hit with the 19-year-olds because of his excess of life experience.
I am...
Honestly, Steph, to be honest with you, this experience is something that I never want to experience again.
I know, and I'm trying to help you with that.
But if you don't know what drew you in there, how are you going to know what to avoid?
So he was manly.
Was he a dominant guy?
Was he a take charge kind of guy?
Was he like, I'll take the menus and I'll order for her?
What was it that made you think he was manly and, I assume, commanding or whatever it was?
He approached me.
Initially, he seemed very dominant.
He was older, and I guess the fact that he was older to me seemed like instinctively or on a psychological level that he could have been a good provider since he was older.
And I don't know why, but for a while, I'm going to have to confess that for a while in my life, I have found myself attracted to older guys.
So I think he sort of at the time fit all my criteria, as in, you know, he seemed stable to begin with.
He seemed dominant.
He seemed like a guy who could provide.
He seemed like a guy who knew a lot about the world.
All right.
So, boy, if only...
You are not the first...
Woman on the planet, Kirsten, to be very attracted to a dominant guy to pretend it's something else and to want his resources where it then turns out to be a complete nightmare.
Are you listening, Europe?
Because I hope you are.
So you are not alone in this particular habit.
So it's not age because you didn't date a rich grandfather, right?
No, sir.
Right.
So how handsome was he?
Okay, listen, he wasn't very handsome, but he's a spitting image of my father.
Oh, I'm sure that's just a complete coincidence, wouldn't you say?
Did he have any, sorry, you mean physically he looks like your dad?
Exactly, yeah.
And psychologically, how close was he to your father?
Oh gosh, like carbon copy.
When did you figure that out?
I figured that out when the relationship was over.
Over?
Yeah.
Like I said, it was real brief.
How brief?
Like not even two weeks, but it was brief and it was intense.
You say this intense thing, and I never quite understand this.
I mean, insanity is intense.
You know what else is intense?
Arsenic.
Very, very intense experience.
Jumping out of an airplane onto a field full of spikes and staplers.
Very, very intense.
Setting yourself on fire.
Very intense.
You keep using this word intense.
I don't know what it means.
Yes, sir.
I would say that it was the type of relationship where both of us bet it all in in the first hand.
Something that, bet all in in the first hand.
No, I heard the sentence, it's just I don't know what that means.
Like, went too fast too soon.
It was like, I don't know how to explain it.
It was like a...
Okay, how long, after meeting him, how long was it before you had sex?
A week.
A week, alright.
And what does that mean, all in?
Like, you're planning your lives together, you're going to get married, you're going to move in.
There was a discussion about marriage.
Like, we talked about marriage.
Was that before the weekend that you had sex?
And I think it was sooner than that, but let's go with the week.
Before the weekend that you had sex, or after that?
It was before...
So before you even had sex, and before you've known each other even for a week, you're having conversations about getting married.
Yes.
So you really got played, right?
I got played like a fiddle.
You got played like a fiddle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, he knew you were marriage-minded, and he's like, yeah, we can get married.
Let's bang for a while.
And then, oh, I'm insane, right?
I mean, this is not how you want things to go, obviously, ever again in the future, right?
Yes, sir, definitely.
Definitely not that way.
Do you have people in your life, Kristen, who...
We're warning you away from this quicksand of rampant and confusing testosterone vortex.
Dude.
Um...
I would say...
Did you try and fly solo?
I can handle this on my own.
Hey, I'm 19!
Yes, sir.
My mother.
And what did your mother say?
She said, um...
You don't know him.
After she met him...
Okay, so initially when I met him and I went out with him, she said, you know, you don't know him from Jack Diddley.
You don't know what he's up to.
You don't know what his deal is.
He could murder you and nobody would know.
He could be crazy.
She was telling me that.
And then at one point, my mom met him.
And when my mom met him, She was on my side, as in the family, like, you know, oh, this guy's good.
He seems like a good-hearted person.
He seems like a decent individual.
Is your mother still together with your father?
Yes, however, their relationship is not very good.
It's on the rocks.
Yeah, I get that.
I mean, if this guy's like your dad, you kind of don't need to tell me that, but I don't mind that you did.
So your mother, in terms of judging men, not good, right?
Yes, sir.
Not very good.
Not very good.
All right.
I drive blindfolded, but I'd love to tease you.
Right.
Right.
So at one point, my mother was saying, she was on my side of, as in like, oh, he's real good.
Like, you know, and I was telling my mom, I'm like, I plan on going and spending the weekend with him.
He's going to have his colleagues over.
And so my mom was on my side, as in convincing my dad to let me go out with this guy.
And so she ended up convincing my dad.
And my dad's like, okay, yeah, like, what are you getting yourself into, Kirsten?
Like, Blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, oh, you know, I'm just going to spend the weekend with him.
And at one point, I have to mention this because I do believe it's a crucial piece of the puzzle.
At one point, he invited over his shipmates, his colleagues.
And we were having a bonfire, and he stepped away to go...
Call somebody in the house to answer the door or something for more of his shipmates.
And we were in the backyard, and I was in the backyard with one of his colleagues, and this guy was 26, and he has two kids, and he's married.
And he told me, he said, I just met you.
I don't know you, but I just want to tell you, I feel like We're good to go.
I said, okay, and I ignored this guy.
Okay, hang on, hang on.
First of all, that guy should get a medal.
And this is the kind of stuff which we should all be doing.
Everyone should be doing this who knows stuff, like prevent this kind of heartbreak from happening, right?
Yes.
Why did you ignore this guy?
Well, initially after...
This guy told me about...
About the guy I was with.
I don't know if I should use this name or make a fake one, but can I say like Bob or something?
He told me about Bob.
He said like, you know, Bob's no good.
And at this point in time, we had already slept together.
So I felt like, oh shit, I'm already like knee deep.
I feel like I'm not one to sleep around, honestly.
So I felt like I don't know.
I felt like in a sense...
No, wait, wait.
Sorry to interrupt you.
I'm just...
Bookmark that thought.
I'm just...
You slept with this guy within a week of knowing him, but you're not one to sleep around?
I don't quite follow.
I've never done anything like that previously.
Um...
I feel like this guy wooed me over real well.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, so well that I felt like I just jumped in his bed.
Like, that's so rational, right?
No, but what I was saying was...
No, no, I mean, this is why you don't jump in someone's bed within a week of knowing them, right?
I know, I know.
You know that, right?
Yes.
So then you say, well, I'm not someone who...
It's too quick to sleep with someone.
It's like, that's not what you just told me.
Yeah, it's contradictory.
No, it's just you did the wrong thing.
I did.
Listen, you know this about women, even more so than men, right?
Whatever you throw your vagina at, your heart will follow, right?
Women bond with men.
Yes.
But whatever you throw your vagina at, your heart is going to follow, right?
Yes, sir, that's true.
And so when you sleep with a guy...
In your heart, you're married.
Now, you can get divorced, which is kind of this intensity thing, right?
But it's like you're trying to cram a whole dating, courtship, marriage thing into like four days, five days, whatever it is, right?
And so it's very intense.
And I'm telling you, Kirsten, you can't do this much at all before your heart can no longer love.
Because it's a vulnerable position to be in.
It's open-hearted.
It's generous.
I mean, the man's lying on top of you or whatever the hell's going on.
It's a very vulnerable position.
It requires a lot of trust.
It's very dependent.
I mean, and you're in a very vulnerable position.
It requires a lot of trust.
You know this, and women as a whole know this, so they seem to be forgetting it.
You've got to stop setting off the V-bomb early on in the relationship.
Because you bond, it becomes very intense.
And every time you get your heart broken in this kind of way...
You know, it's like that line in the U2 song, you can sew it up, but you still see the tear, right?
I mean, you can only, you know, swing the penis bat in your china shop of future love for so long before everything comes crashing down, right?
Right, yeah.
And I totally ignored all of these things.
Red flags over and over again.
Okay, why?
Why?
This is the question.
Why?
And why the hell do you want to become a stepmom?
What are you, auditioning for a Disney movie, for God's sakes?
Why on earth would you want to become...
Why would you want to become a stepmom?
You want to fatten them up and cook them?
I mean, what kind of...
There's a reason why stepmoms are always these.
Anyway, why?
I mean, the facts you knew about the guy.
Okay, why did he get divorced?
Um, he said that he got divorced because while he was deployed his wife cheated on him.
Oh, so is he playing the victim in his death?
I was a straight-up shooter and she just...
I mean, what does that mean?
Does that mean he chose a woman who was going to sleep around on him?
Is he really, really bad at judging people?
Is he...
He, like, early into the...
Yeah, sorry.
I think he is very good at...
Very bad at judging people for being, you know, who they are.
But very early in the relationship, I asked him, why did you divorce your wife?
And he said...
I asked him, well first I asked him why he married his wife and he said, you know, I knocked her up.
And he's like thinking that I'm old-fashioned and gentlemanly.
I think I should have married her if I knocked him up.
No, no, no.
No, hang on.
See, if he's really old-fashioned and gentlemanly, he's not playing hide the salami before there's a ring on the finger.
That's not really very old-fashioned and gentleman.
I know, I know, I know.
And so he said that he decided to marry her because he got her pregnant.
But he said that right before he was walking down the aisle, he said that he had a vision or something in his head said, this ain't going to last forever or you're going to get divorced soon.
And so he said that he decided to just like...
I don't know, man up and marry her.
It's not very manly because you're not doing her any favors, but also I'm sure she fell from grace to get herself in that position as well, just like what could have happened to me.
I do not want to be a stepmom, and I feel like listening to you, listening to your podcasts and your YouTube videos and everything, I feel like you kind of red-pilled me in a sense, as in like...
But consensually.
Consensually red-pilled me.
Consensual red-pilled.
No, yes, sir.
Because I've been looking at like...
I've been really digging deep and thinking about my own morals and...
I've been a conservative before this, but I felt like I didn't have very good values.
You know, I wasn't thinking about values.
And now that you mention, like, well, now that I mention, we're talking about a man who's been divorced.
I have a huge problem with divorce morally.
I feel like if you're gonna make a commitment to someone, you're gonna say you're gonna be with them for the rest of your life through thick and thin.
You're gonna be able to work out your issues and everything.
And so that's why now I have a huge problem with divorce.
What about the kids, Kirsten?
His kids?
What about the kids?
I never met them.
No, I understand that.
I understand that.
But if you had gone on with a relationship with him, you would have ended up...
When you go out with someone who's been divorced, or who is divorced, then either their partner is a good person, in which case they got dumped for being a shitty person.
In which case, don't date them, right?
Or their ex is a crappy person, in which case, well, they choose crappy people that might include you.
And that's A.
And B, you're now locking yourself in to a 15-year relationship with a psycho ex, right?
Because you are going to be there, she is.
She's going to be there.
Lawyers are going to be there.
Visitation rights are going to be problematic.
People are going to want to move.
There's going to be creepy, sinister new boyfriends of the old flame floating around.
The kids are going to be traumatized.
She might turn the kids against you.
What a mess!
Why on earth would you want to step anywhere within 3,000 miles of such a quagmire?
I don't know.
I have no clue.
I don't know.
That's quite a mess.
That's quite a mess.
That's a hurricane.
Right.
You are someone who drives men insane.
You think so?
Oh, I know so.
In what sense of the word?
And not always in a good way.
In what sense of the word?
Like as in seductive or...
Well, yes, I'm...
Okay, where would you rate yourself on 1 to 10?
Personally?
Everybody knows their number.
You know, don't give me any false modesty stuff.
Yes, Steph.
As in personal attractiveness or as in like physical attractiveness?
Yeah, physical attractiveness.
I would say like...
The nine.
I don't, I don't feel like I have any like, um, physical.
No, that's fair.
I think that's.
Because I've been told I like, I walk down the street, people will catcall me, people will ask me, random people will ask me out.
Yeah.
Like I, I feel like it's sometimes it's sort of.
Okay.
No, I understand that.
Kirsten, you have, you are a very, very attractive 19 year old woman.
Right?
I would suppose, yes.
No, no.
I mean, let's not have any...
You know, we're adults talking about adult issues.
Let's not have any sort of...
Okay.
All right.
Modesty out the window.
Yeah, yeah, no.
Let's be frank.
You know, this batting your eyelids.
Well, I don't know.
You're nine.
I think that's fair.
Maybe even more.
I understand the power I have on people.
Right.
People.
Men.
Well, people, I guess.
Non-men as well.
But anyway.
Right.
So you...
You could have any man you want.
Yes.
Right?
I mean, seriously, other than guys in a coma and guys happily married like me, are there many men that you'd walked up to and say, Kristen would like a taste of y'all, so, you know, come meet me at Hooters.
And would they say, no, I'm sorry, I've got to wash my hair tonight.
Unless they're blatantly homosexual, which was a problem with somebody I went out with in high school, I would presume there would be no issue.
Wait, you went out with a gay guy too?
Yeah, yeah.
He played me like a fiddle.
He was just like...
And this is why in some cultures, the adult males, the elders, determine who the young women marry.
Yeah, no, his dad was real good, but his dad didn't even know he was gay.
So you can have just about any man you want, and these are the men you choose.
The gay guy and the lunatic.
Drug addicts.
Why?
Yes, sir.
Why?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think maybe...
problems from childhood?
I don't know.
Oh, that's just...
you're reading that off like you're reading some foreign language.
Come on.
Childhood?
Yes, that's exactly right.
That sounds like the pinnacle of self-knowledge to me.
Why do you think?
Do you have any presumptions?
Oh, I know why.
I was just curious as to- Well, I'd like to know because maybe it's too obvious for me to actually figure out.
Okay.
How many men have you slept with?
One.
Just this guy?
I guess the gay guy didn't really count or didn't...
No, no, he didn't like that type of thing.
Yes, sir, only one.
I need you to put on this George Clooney mask if you don't mind.
All these things that women often say they want while heading in the direction of the biker bar to where people are breaking billiard cues over each other's heads and saying, oh man, I know I said all that stuff, but this guy with legs the size of garbage cans, I'm for him.
Let's say that you met a really great guy, the kind of guy that women always say they want to get with, and he comes over for a family gathering.
Okay.
What do you think he's going to say about what he sees?
Boy, you have a screwed up family.
Right.
Yeah.
Now, Kirsten...
If such a wise and virtuous and knowledgeable and perceptive and honest man looks down the tunnel of time, not like this last guy who seemed to look down the tunnel of you, looks down the tunnel of time and says, if I sign up with this fine young lady, I could be spending the next 50 years with these people.
Well, the only caveat to that is that one of them's in poor health, but I understand what you're saying.
Yeah, it's not very attractive.
I don't know if there's a number in the 10-digit scale enough to overcome that particular challenge.
So, whose interests Kirsten, are being served by you dating the men you date.
This is the first question.
When we're making bad decisions, it is clearly bad for you, obviously bad for you, obviously, blindingly obviously bad in advance, right?
I mean, you write these kinds of letters, and Mike and I have to use a carjack to get our jaws off the floor, right?
And so...
No, come on.
You heard it, right?
Come on.
Yes.
You know, I'm a 19-year-old ultra hottie, and I thought it'd be great to date to sleep with a 30-year-old guy with two kids, mental problems, alcoholic, drug addict, and about to get kicked out of the Navy.
And then you say, oh, I was lying on the ground talking about suicide.
Yeah.
Yes, sir.
I don't know what's my problem right now.
Well, that's what we're talking about.
So, Kirsten, when you, and this is for everyone who's listening to this, we are all Kirsten at one time or another.
I have massive sympathy for all of this.
So, if your interests aren't being served by what you're doing, the question is always, whose interests are being served by what you're doing?
If it's not you, someone has to benefit from what you're doing.
We don't just act randomly, right?
Right, yeah.
We don't just like run up to the top of a mountain, stand on our heads, scream in ancient Aramaic and do a cartwheel and then go buy a car and set fire to it.
Like we don't just randomly do things.
We do things in order to fulfill either our own needs for what we want or our own needs to please those around us or to avoid any negative consequences to them, right?
Right.
Right, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so your interests clearly not being served in this relationship, right?
Right, yeah, I would agree.
So whose interests, who benefits from what you did?
The other party, as in said Bob, said other gentleman.
Well, sure, but that doesn't count because, I mean, tons of guys want to date you and sleep with you, right?
This is like the world you live in, given your sexual market value.
So, I mean, if that was your standard, I mean, you couldn't make it to the grocery store.
Right, right.
Oh, there's a guy.
He looked at me with lust in his eyes.
Okay, sailor, I've got my port-a-potty.
Let's go for it, right?
I mean, this would not be how your life would go, right?
I mean, you couldn't possibly say, well, I have to serve the sexual needs of every man in the vicinity who might want a piece of me.
I mean, you couldn't buy shoes with laces, right?
I mean, this would not be something that could be remotely sustainable.
So it's not him, because he would represent a lot of guys.
So who in your life benefits from you dating?
In this way.
My parents.
Right.
Okay.
I was going to say that, but I didn't want to throw anyone under the bus.
See, you're defending the media.
Right, so...
Yes, sir, I am.
The question is, what happens to...
If your parents, do they have anyone strong in their life who tries to set them straight, who's honest with them, who's forthright, who talks about the issues that they may have and attempts to help them resolve it and that kind of stuff?
I would say it's a mixture between me and my uncle.
I have a really good relationship with my uncle.
I talk to him about everything, even after this relationship.
Okay, hang on, hang on.
So you've got a great relationship with your uncle.
Would you say that your uncle is a good man, a wise man?
Yes, sir.
Yes, he's very wise.
Okay, great.
Fantastic.
So you must have talked to him about this huge decision to lose your virginity to this alcoholic drug addict, right?
No, I didn't.
No, no, no.
You said you have a very good relationship with him.
You talked to him about everything.
I just felt like, I feel like a lot of times bringing up sex in a conversation is, like, indecent.
This is so bad, because we're talking about it right now, right?
Sleeping with a lunatic is not.
I know, I know.
It's a contradiction, but it was something...
No, but forget about the sex stuff.
I mean, I get it.
He's your uncle, right?
I mean, forget about the sex stuff.
What about just the dating stuff?
Hey, uncle so-and-so, I'm this guy.
You know, he's divorced.
He's got two kids.
You know, I've been warned about, you know, this...
I mean, did you talk to him about...
I did.
Okay, what did he say?
He said, like, I told him about his past...
And my uncle asked me how he was treating me in the relationship that was, like I said, real brief.
And my uncle's like, well, as long as he treats you good, he seems like a really good guy.
Okay, so he's not a wise man at all.
Well, I was about to say maybe I shouldn't have said he was a wise man because he's in a very unhappy marriage now that I'm thinking of it.
But he stayed married to the same woman.
What do you mean now that you're thinking of it?
Have you not thought about it before?
Well, no, because he stayed married to my aunt for almost 50 years.
So who, Kirsten, in your life has a good relationship with their spouse, their boyfriend, their girlfriend, their partner?
Well, Stefan, to be honest, I can only think of one couple.
And they're not related to me.
They're my neighbors.
And I watch their kids and...
They have a really, really good relationship.
They're open with each other.
The husband, I watch the kids, and he's a really good father.
He's a Marine.
He comes home every night at a reasonable time in the afternoon, and he spends a lot of time with the kids.
They're always going to places during the weekend, and they're going away.
They spend time together as a family.
What they do is he has a good relationship with his parents.
They're always there for each other, and she's a real good mother.
She stayed home with the kids when they were younger.
And how do they get along with your family?
Oh, my family is like, it's like fire and water, like oil and water, like they won't go near each other.
They only will ever talk to me.
Okay.
Okay.
So the functional family in your neighborhood doesn't, is in opposition to your family, right?
Right.
Yeah, I mean, they're polite.
They have good manners.
No, no, no, I get that.
You don't have to give me all the caveats.
I'm not saying that they're launching howitzes at each other.
I mean, I'm just that they're in opposition.
They don't get along.
And as you say, fire and ice, right?
Or functional and dysfunctional or whatever, right?
Okay, so if you have a good relationship, if you get a great guy, if you have a functional guy, won't he be in the same relationship to your family that your neighbors are?
I would suppose so.
Well, what do you mean you would suppose so?
You just said that the most functional family around can't stand your parents, and your parents can't stand them.
Well, no, my mother does like them, to talk to them, but she feels embarrassed to talk to them because of the family.
No, no, no, no.
You said fire and ice and in opposition.
Well, that's true.
Okay, so don't go, no, no.
I'm not in opposition.
I keep talking to your parents through you.
You'll listen to this, you'll hear back.
Whenever we get to close this, oh no, I'm not saying that they're...
She's nice to them.
They're polite to each other.
No, no, no.
I know that they're in opposition.
Functional and dysfunctional people can't get along.
Okay, yeah.
Because dysfunctional people resent the functional people, and the functional people are extremely bored by the dysfunctional people because dysfunction is so repetitive.
It's so boring.
It's like defensive people.
It's so boring.
You say something that they don't like, like this emotional explosion manipulation.
It's so boring.
It's so predictable.
There's no spontaneity or creativity among dysfunctional people because all they're doing is playing pinball off their own emotional hysteria and trying to avoid the truth as much as humanly possible.
It's really boring.
So functional people have very little to say to dysfunctional people, and dysfunctional people feel very self-conscious around functional people, and that self-consciousness is shame slash resentment slash rage slash covered up, right?
It's weird.
Right, yeah.
You can't just have a relaxed time talking about what's on your mind, because there's all this maneuvering.
Who's functional?
Who's not functional?
And then, of course, when the functional people leave, the dysfunctional people immediately set in like jackals on the carcass of a whale on a beach, ripping them apart.
Oh, Lord.
Am I wrong?
No, you're absolutely right.
Of course, they've got to level up, right?
They feel humiliated by the functional people.
As soon as the functional people leave, they've got to tear down the functional people.
Otherwise, they have to get better themselves.
It's a lot easier to tear other people down in absentia than to become a better person yourself.
Yeah, it's like an inferiority complex.
So...
This is who will suffer.
This is who will lose if you date somebody who's great.
The dysfunctional people are in.
So how do I go about that?
How do I go about...
Let me rephrase that.
That's not specific.
How do you fix it?
How do I go about seeking out genuinely morally virtuous individuals?
Okay, a couple of things, a couple of principles here.
You cannot fix dysfunctional people.
That's true.
Sorry.
I'm on a phone call.
That's my dad.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I apologize.
It's almost like he knows you're talking.
You cannot fix dysfunctional people.
You can, and I say this from bitter personal experience, Kirsten, you can flush away significant years of your life trying to fix dysfunctional people.
They don't become functional, you just get worse.
Right, yeah.
You don't save them from drowning, they just pull you under.
So you cannot, and letting go of that is really, really important.
Letting go of that.
You can't fix them.
You couldn't fix this drug addict.
You can't fix your parents.
You cannot fix dysfunctional people.
That's true.
Now, the best thing you can do is provide an example of what functionality looks like and see if they're interested, right?
Yes.
Right.
So, it's like losing weight.
You can't force fat people to lose weight, other than by providing them Michelle Obama's lunches or so on.
You can't force people who are fat to lose weight.
What you can do...
If you're fat, you can lose weight yourself and you can play sports and you can climb stairs and you can do gymnastics and you can dance.
And at some point they may say, wow, you know, you can do a lot of really cool stuff.
But most likely what they'll do is they'll offer you a lot of fried food and a lot of cheesecake.
Or they'll tear you down in the name of feminism.
Oh, yeah, yeah, because all body types are beautiful, except for that one, that really attractive one, that's got to go.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I know it, I know it.
But it's the same thing, right?
I mean, if you can either become more attractive yourself, or you can say that attractiveness is immoral and dysfunctional, and then that way you lower the sexual market value of attractive women by making them feel self-conscious and apologetic.
Oh, it's gross.
It's parasitical off beauty.
It's really gross.
Right.
So you can't fix them.
And at some point, and, you know, this is a young age to be doing it, so I just sort of plant the seed.
At some point, you have to decide that your life and your future must not be dictated by the shadows of the past.
You know, people in your life, like your parents or whatever, They've made their choices.
Like your uncle who's had an unhappy marriage for 50 years.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I think that's terrible.
But that's his choice.
Yeah, I mean, he did not grow up.
No, no, no.
I'll talk here.
Okay, then I'll shut up.
All right.
So your uncle has this.
Your parents have stayed together, although you say that your father is kind of dysfunctional or whatever.
So they've made their choices.
Mm-hmm.
They've made their bed.
They lie in their bed.
Their lives are their choices.
Your life is your choice.
You can choose differently.
You can choose differently.
And if people have lived lives far below their potential, then you achieving your potential will be extraordinarily painful to them.
See, here's what happens to a lot of people.
I dare say maybe even most people.
Kirsten, what happens is this.
They have the choice to grow, to improve, to rise above.
To not be dominated by or dictated by the past.
To set their own standards.
To set their own values.
To grow into the kind of people they know in their heart of hearts they could be.
And they feel and tantalizingly see this will-of-the-wisp possibility of who they could be.
It comes to them in fragments.
It comes to them in dreams.
It comes to them in odd, manic motivations when they see particular things that they could achieve.
Or they see noble people and the part of them is like, I want that.
I want to become that.
I want to leave this crap behind, this trailer park of the soul behind, and I want to climb up the vines to the highest castle and cry my barbaric yop from the rooftop of the world.
There are those moments for everyone.
And a lot of people feel that that is abandoning the broken tribe they grew up with and that their success, their growth, their health is a mute condemnation and causes enormous pain.
To those around them.
Because people make these compromises.
You know, they see, you know, maybe your uncle or maybe someone like him.
They see a woman who's better and they yearn for her.
They see people like your neighbors, the Marines.
They see things that are better and they yearn for it.
And then they slip into what is familiar, and they slip into what is comfortable, and they slip into what is approved by all the broken people around you.
And if there's one thing you never, ever want approved of in your life, Kirsten, it's decisions by the broken people around you.
When the broken people are cheering, you're going down.
And you're going down so soft, there's no bottom.
You go down hard, you bounce.
You go down soft.
Because they won't say anything.
Oh, you know, we like him.
Oh, yeah, we think he seems like a good guy.
Well, if he treats you well, that's all that matters to us.
It's a soft landing.
A soft landing is no bottom.
You know, there's an old question I used to get when I was a kid about if there's a hole drilled through the middle of the world and you jump like a hole all the way through, like putting an apple cora through an orange or an apple, I guess.
If you jump in, what happens?
I don't know.
Well, I initially thought what happens is you jump in and you swing down too far like a yo-yo and you bounce up and then you bounce down and then you just come to rest in the middle.
But that's not actually how it works.
What works physically is you jump in And you slow down as you get to the center of the Earth, and then you stop in the center of the Earth.
The reason being that as you get to the center of the Earth, the gravity pulling you in gets smaller, and then now there's gravity above you, the miles and miles and miles of rock above you, and as now exerting gravity.
So what happens is when you jump in, there's no big oscillation, there's certainly no hard bounce.
You just come to rest in the center.
It's like you drill a hole through your history and you jump in.
Drill a hole back through time, through the generations, you jump in.
You end up coming to a calm and dead rest right in the center of all that dysfunction.
There's no bounce.
There's no oscillation.
There's no swinging back and forth.
It's just...
That's the soft landing.
And what happens is people make these compromises.
Ah, this is familiar.
Oh, everyone approves of my girlfriend, of my fiancé, of my wife.
Everyone approves of how I parent.
Well, if I don't spank, people are going to get mad at me.
And they will.
If you're around spankers and you don't spank, they're not going to feel very happy about that, especially if your kids are doing well.
Ooh, bad all around.
And then what happens is they say...
First of all, they say, this is the best.
This person is the best.
Everyone approves of her.
She fits right in.
Oh no!
I come from a dysfunctional family and this person fits right in.
My entire art gallery is horrible post-modernist Paul Clay Cubist bullshit.
This picture fits right in.
I can tell you this.
It's not a Reuben.
And then what happens is they say, this person is the best.
And then when the dysfunction becomes obvious, they say, well, this is the best I can do.
And then after a while, when they continue to have this soft landing into nothingness, they end up saying, this is the best that can be done.
This is how they live with themselves.
This is how they live with this dysfunction.
Okay.
They say, this is the best that can be done.
All relationships are like this on the inside.
I've heard, have you ever seen this?
I'm sure you have.
You go to a restaurant and you see some couple in their 60s sitting there eating away at their surf and turf.
And they don't say a word to each other for like half an hour or an hour.
Have you ever seen that?
I have, yeah.
Yeah, and it's kind of weird.
I remember seeing that as a kid, like, well, that seems like a pretty soft and silent prison to be stuck in for the rest of your natural-born life.
How horrible.
And you know one of them is wishing they could just choke to death on the shrimp and get it all over there.
Oh, Lord.
Seriously.
Bring me something chokey.
I'd like a peeled grape, please, and some sideways fish bones.
All right.
And I mentioned this once to a married couple I knew years ago.
And the woman said, yeah, it happens.
It happens to everyone.
Well, I've been married for 13 years.
It hasn't happened to me.
Right.
Oh, that's what it's all like.
All relationships.
How many times have you heard this?
Relationships are work.
You've got to work at your relationship.
I've read that, yeah.
Yeah.
No, you don't.
No, you don't.
It should not be work.
You already have a job, I hope, called doing stuff in the world.
Your relationship should not be a job.
Right.
You should not have to work.
People say you have to work at stuff because it's not working, and they don't want to admit that.
And it's too late.
And so they say all relationships are dysfunctional.
That's how they live with themselves.
Well, my wife and I yell at each other, but all couples yell at each other.
Oh, my wife cheated on me, but everyone cheats on everyone.
And maybe in the circles they move, that's all true.
Right.
But now you need this big Bruce Lee mirror disco chamber echo chamber, right?
Where everyone has got to be dysfunctional, otherwise what you have is not the best that can be got.
Wow.
Right?
And so then what happens is you are committed to keeping functional people out of your mental ecosystem.
You can't have them around.
Right?
Right.
Have you ever seen a family of fat people with one skinny person at the table?
No.
No!
I'm not.
That's right.
I've been to Florida.
I know.
I am not going on an all-you-can-eat cruise ship with these people.
It is not fair.
I shouldn't say that.
I eat a lot.
But I exercise, so it's different.
So there's a system that people embed themselves in, and it's a system of justification for It's a system of justification for their compromises.
That's what they do.
If you have a dysfunctional relationship, you cannot have functional people around.
And why would functional people want to be around anyway?
They know they can't fix you.
That's why they're functional.
One of the essential aspects of being a functional human being is giving up on dysfunctional people.
You have to do it.
I don't mean never seeing them or anything like that.
I just mean giving up on the idea that you can fix them.
Or change them.
Or improve them.
Yeah, you know, I mean, if you've done things and you've gotten better and they're interested, you could give them some tips.
You could send them to therapy.
But, you know, they can read books.
They can go to the library.
They can figure these things out.
Nathaniel Brandon's got workbooks.
John Bradshaw's got workbooks.
Jordan Peterson's got workbooks.
I mean, you know, tons of people got stuff that you could start down that journey.
No one's stopping anyone.
I love Jordan Peterson.
I'm not sure where you are, that's a huge endorsement, but we'll continue to work on that at the moment, right?
No, I've been...
No, but everyone's in a system of justification, and most people are in a system of justification for their own compromises.
Right, yeah.
For their own cowardice, for their own loss of decades of happiness and joy and bliss and love, for their own being plowed under in the wet earth of history.
Right.
And so...
People are benefiting from you, I believe, from you having a bad relationship or having a series of bad relationships.
Why?
Because they say they go home with a newfound appreciation for their crappy spouse, right?
They're feeding off your future, in my humble opinion.
I'm not saying they're doing it consciously.
I'm not saying they're doing it out of some big org chart, lunatic, Russell Crowe basement diagram series.
I'm just saying that there is an effect that happens.
If you meet a great guy and you're happy and you're certain and you're in love and you're taken care of and you're respected and he makes you laugh and you're excited to see him every day, What the hell are you going to have in common with people who've spent 50 years of lockstep misery in a declining marriage?
Nothing.
Wow.
I haven't thought about that until now.
Because everyone talks about self-knowledge like it's just some personal thing.
Well, you just have to learn about yourself, right?
Right.
No.
No, no, no, no.
When you're young, you learn about the people around you.
To hell with yourself.
You don't even have one yet.
You're mostly the utility instrument of dysfunctional people around you, if that's your environment.
Learning about yourself, that's for later.
Right.
Right?
Yeah, I actually come into conversation with people who are like, I'll tell them, like, my hopes and dreams, for example.
I've said, probably a year ago, I told my aunt, I'm like, I really want to have, like, or she asked me, what are my goals?
And I said, I really want to have a happy marriage.
And she's like, not till you're 30.
You got to learn who you are.
And I'm like, but I, what?
Like, it's sort of just like, you know.
No, you got to learn who they are.
Yeah, exactly.
My eyes have been opened.
Yeah.
Because, you know, let's cast aside, and I've been doing this jokey demeanor too, and it's been enjoyable, but we need to, I mean, if we could stare eyeball to eyeball, that would be better, but, you know, brain to brain, heart to heart, Kirsten, this was a very dangerous moment in your life.
It could have been deadly for all of your future happiness, right?
Yes, sir, exactly.
This guy could have been dangerous.
People who are suicidal are...
Desperate people.
People who are alcoholics can be violent.
People who are drug addicts can be dangerous.
And he could have given you some permanent STD. He could have gotten you pregnant, which would have either resulted in a child that would have warded off, I have a kid with a drug addict.
Want to get married?
No.
This could have destroyed your life.
Or maybe you went off and got an abortion.
And then you meet a guy.
Hey, how was your last relationship?
Not great.
I had to have an abortion because I got knocked up by a drug addict alcoholic who was suicidal.
Oh my gosh.
You understand?
You took your entire goddamn future in your hand and you dangled it off a cliff like one of Michael Jackson's babies off a balcony.
For God's sakes, this could have destroyed your life.
I know stuff.
I know stuff.
And I know we're laughing and we're joking and all of that, but I just, you know, now is the time to stop laughing and start panicking.
Because your environment, there are people in your life, I assume, they say they love you and they want to keep you safe and happy, and you ended up being dangled over a really bottomless chasm here that could have destroyed your life.
And you got out by a hair, right?
Right.
Because you had unprotected sex, right?
Yes, sir.
Right.
You had unprotected sex.
Because you were in love, right?
No, it wasn't love, now that I'm seeing it.
No, no, but at the time.
Yes.
Right?
Yes.
And so you had unprotected sex with an unstable guy.
I did.
And I assume it was somewhat around fertility time?
Yes, sir.
So you were damn lucky.
I know.
That those tadpoles didn't hit the Death Star, right?
Yes.
A bit short of a miracle, I would say.
Yeah, the miracle is pregnancy.
Dodging a bullet.
Well, dodging a missile.
Dodging a missile.
This wasn't a bullet.
This could have been substantial damage.
No, but listen, I'm telling you, it would have destroyed your life.
It would have destroyed any chance for getting a quality guy.
Quality guys do not want to raise kids with a drug addict.
Right.
Hey, he's unstable.
He's suicidal.
He's getting out of the Navy or being kicked out of the Navy.
I've got his kid.
Do you feel like tying yourself to me and to him for the next 50 years?
Any sane guy is going to be like, hell no.
Sorry, you're a great lady.
You seem like you've got a lot of spirit.
You're very attractive.
But I am not tying myself down to pouring money into this guy's kid and having him around for the next 20 years of my life.
Why would he?
Right.
I don't know why.
It's not a quality.
It's the quality of, like, a schmuck.
It's not the quality of, like, an anchor, a person who's going to, like, keep you stable and be there, you know?
Oh, listen.
I'm a quality guy.
When I was dating, I heard kids.
Good luck.
But no, thank you.
Why?
I want to have my own kid.
Right.
Have you had an STD test since the relationship ended?
Um, I've had a few tests, and I don't have anything.
All right.
Yeah, exactly.
It was a...
It was a...
You are an attractive young woman with an entire extended family around you, and you basically almost got taken down by a predator here.
It's one thing if you're alone in the woods.
It's another thing if you're at a bus stop and a lion takes you down, and everyone's, like, raising their newspapers and their iPads so they don't have to see who the hell was taking care of you.
You go mental when you fall in love or when you fall in lust or when those endorphins kick in.
Everyone does.
Everyone does.
You can't throw sex at people.
You can't throw marriage talk at people.
You've got to get to know them because the moment we start having sex and we start talking marriage, we go insane.
Seriously, I'm not kidding.
This is biochemical.
You can look it all up.
The endorphins, the happy joy juice that's going through your system makes you mental.
Right.
And you look at this, you look back and you say, what the hell was I thinking?
You weren't thinking.
Nature was saying, okay, if this is how we're making a baby, I'm bonding the living shit out of you with this guy.
You are going to bond.
You're going to think he's the greatest guy ever because that's the only way the babies are going to survive.
I don't care what he's like, but you better bond with him because no other guy throughout history would bring you resources for some other guy's kid.
At least not in a case, elected society, maybe other places.
And so if you start talking this way, and you start thinking this way, and you start having sex, nature is gluing you to this guy.
And he's...
You understand?
Yes, I do.
And you peel that off.
You ever get, like, really the crazy glue and stuff on your finger?
And you don't, like...
I mean, that's like, okay, I guess I'll hope that'll regrow.
I guess I have new fingerprints.
Right?
So you will bond with man.
Women more so than men.
Like many times more so than men.
You will bond with him.
And yeah, you can pull that off.
But a good portion of your heart stays behind.
And the next guys in your life, they don't want a broken, diminished, bleeding heart.
They want someone who's fresh.
I mean, this is not the guy you wanted to lose your virginity to, right?
No, sir.
I believe that...
I kind of want to talk about that for a second.
Firstly, I regret it, but then I don't regret it at the same time.
And I'm going to explain, and that's not going to make sense until I explain it.
And maybe I'm just lying to myself, but I feel like part of me regrets it because he obviously was a genuinely screwed up individual.
We've covered that thus far.
You know, and the second point is...
I feel like if I didn't sleep with him, I maybe would have not learned the same moral lesson that I'm learning now.
I wouldn't have been like, well, Kirsten, you're real fucked up now.
I wouldn't have thought.
Oh, no, no.
No, I got to take that away from you.
Sorry.
I mean, I understand why you have that justification.
How long have you been listening to the show?
Ever since I got out of this relationship.
So I would say a month.
All right.
All right.
Sorry.
I thought maybe if you'd known before.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, no.
I haven't.
Like, actually, now another point I must stress is that after I got out of this relationship, I've been like, you know, I've been reading everything.
I've been looking up, you know, psychology.
You know, I found you.
I found, you know, Jordan Peterson.
Like I said, I found, you know, people like...
You know, all of those people on YouTube that talk about relationships and modern conservatism and stuff like that.
And I feel like after this relationship, I had to cut out people in my life.
I had friends who were sleeping around with another guy every day, and I'm not even exaggerating about that at all.
So I had to cut those people out of my life.
I cut this guy out.
All this stuff that happened, I feel like I went full red pill.
Okay, that makes a little bit more sense.
And I'm sorry that you had to have this enormous scare in order to jolt you into this.
And, you know, your culture has failed you.
It's not just your family.
I mean, the movies have failed.
You know, every movie you see pretty much these days, man, woman, meat.
And what's the next thing?
They exchange like three sentences and the next thing you know, they're in bed.
No, seriously, it is like programming you to be our selected rabbit idiots for the rest of time.
It destroys sexual market value.
I mean, in the same way that, you know, whoever nasty satanic people are currently running Katy Perry's brain said, hey, the important thing is to cut your hair, support Hillary Clinton, and ask really dumb questions of Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Is math related to science?
Oh, Lord.
Oh, Lord.
You should watch it.
PewDiePie's got a great video on it.
I mean, great as in, oh, God.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
Shut up and sing.
So I understand that something positive came out of this, you know, in the same way that some people, you know, they...
Almost crashed their car.
Maybe they go take driver's ed or something.
I don't know, right?
So you've been failed by your culture, by your religion, by the people around you.
This is not hard to see.
Some people are more subtly camouflaged.
This guy's not one of them.
Right.
This guy's not one of them.
And an 11-year difference and an experience-level difference, you...
We're in a position of not knowing yourself.
Now, when you don't know yourself, Kirsten, and I, you know, I'm not saying 0% you knew yourself, and this is a very stylistic way of talking, so I hope you'll forgive me for the hyperbole, but when you're in a position of not knowing yourself, do you know what you end up doing?
You end up doing what the most strong-willed person around you wants you to do.
Does that make sense?
What do you mean by that?
Well, you said he asked you out, he was dominant, so you conformed to him when you lack your...
You know, whatever you pour water into, that's the shape the water takes, right?
You pour it into a vase, it becomes the shape of a vase.
You pour it into a doggy bowl, the shape of...
You understand, right?
Right, yeah.
Because the water has no identity.
The water conforms to its environment.
And when you don't know yourself, what happens is you wander through life being at the mercy, like a leaf in the wind, or...
A piece of kelp in the current, you end up being at the mercy of the strongest-willed person around you.
It's an invitation for strong-willed or dominant people, and by that I don't mean necessarily healthy people, for strong-willed people to just tell you what's what.
And this is a bit of an issue with women.
Women say, oh, what do women want?
It's like, well, a lot of what women want is to be sheltered and shielded and protected and taken care of so they can create a wonderful nest to grow babies.
Yes.
Right?
And so the idea that...
For women, a lot of times, the, quote, virtue or the biologically advantageous strategy is to obey the strongest-willed person in the environment.
That's what women are programmed to do because the strongest-willed person in the environment will often be the person who gets the most resources.
Who elbows all the other men aside, who gets the biggest and choicest cuts of meat, who hides the rabbit in his jacket to bring it back home to his family, who's willing to go and poach on the king's lands like the dominant, strong, alpha, quote, brute is the guy who's going to get you resources, which you're going to need for your kids.
So for a woman to conform to the strongest personality around, particularly to the strongest man around, Is very common.
And again, are you listening, Europe?
This is really important to understand.
It's really important to understand.
And so now that you're in the process of knowing yourself and defining your values and what you care for and what your standards are going to be, you have a way of judging other than appeasing or conforming to the strongest-willed man around.
This guy was, I assume...
The guy who wanted you the most, the guy who was willing to make advances the most, the guy who was willing to sweep you off your feet.
Isn't this what women say?
Sweep me off my feet.
Well, then you can't stand on your own two feet, can you?
Right.
You know that song from South Pacific that's like something about like he saw her standing across a crowded room or saw her laughing across a crowded room?
It was that situation.
Sure.
Our eyes met across a crowded room.
That's the cliche, right?
Yeah, it's exactly what the cliche was.
Oh, the Beatles.
I saw her standing there, right?
I saw her.
Boom!
Oh, right.
I knew she was the one.
And then they come sweeping in.
You're the one, angel.
Stars in your eyes and your whole future.
And of course...
I mean, look at Beauty and the Beast.
Look at all the goddamn princes who used to look a lot less gay than they do now.
But the princes who come in and sweep you off your feet.
What choice does Cinderella have?
He's the prince.
She's poor.
He comes with her shoe and she goes with him.
Like he's tugging a little toy balloon behind him with no willpower.
What does she do?
She's pretty and he's rich.
Melania, right?
So Melania Trump was asked, would you be with Donald if he wasn't wealthy?
And you know what she said?
What'd she say?
Would he be with me if I wasn't beautiful?
Oh, that's good.
Well, you know the song, your daddy's rich and your mama's good looking, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I mean, this is, I'm sorry, like, I mean, I don't know how shocked, you know, virgins are about this kind of stuff, but yes, men trade resources for female fertility.
That's why we're all here.
And so women lack willpower in this kind of area a lot, lack agency in this kind of area a lot, which is why they get, quote, swept off their feet.
And it's the job of the men in their environment, maybe the women too, but I just speak for the men, it's all I know.
It's the job of the men in their environment to keep alpha lunatics at bay.
Keep strong-willed crazy away from the eggs.
Poke it back with a stick if you have to.
But keep the charismatic nutjobs away from the eggs.
Because that's just breeding more charismatic nutjobs.
Can you imagine if this guy, Kirsten, if this guy has any genetic components to his personality problems?
Can you imagine what kind of kids you were going to get out of that?
Scary ones.
Personality is genetic.
Right, yeah.
So anybody with any brains, anybody with any self-knowledge has studied genetics, has studied its influence on personality, anybody with brains and self-knowledge.
So he's going to look and say, oh yeah, I know I have this kid from the drug addict.
Oh yeah, I wonder what those drugs and alcoholism did to his sperm quality.
I wonder how much of that personality dysfunction is going to be transmitted genetically.
Not only am I going to have the father lunatic around, but the kid could easily grow up into some kind of lunatic too, and that's my life, not even my kid.
Oh, Lord.
This is what I mean when I say how dangerous these weeks were.
I know.
And I don't know.
I obviously take responsibility for being an idiot.
I'm trying to scare the pants back on you.
No, I know.
And I'm like, is there a God?
There must be a God.
Because I mean, it's almost like life has just slapped me in the face.
And I'm incredibly grateful for what you do.
On your podcast, I'm incredibly grateful for the people like you that put information out there because I feel like it's changed my life.
Well, I appreciate that, Kirsten, but I'll tell you this.
God may have saved you once.
He won't do it again.
Exactly.
The rest, you know, you get one freebie.
You get one Samuel L. Jackson outline bullet spray around the wall.
After that, you've got to start dodging these bullets on your own, right?
One mulligan.
After that...
You gotta put them where they sink.
Yeah, I guess it's, you know, I gotta buckle up, I guess, and really use my brain, continue to learn, you know.
And this is why I was saying that you're driving men crazy, because there are quality men out there who are dreaming of you.
Guaranteed you.
I guarantee.
They look at you, you're smart, you've got a good sense of humor, and you're pretty, and you're marriage-minded, and you're conservative.
There are men out there, quality men, who are dreaming of you.
Right.
And they see you going for this guy, and they may end up hating you.
I know men who have.
You know, I was a great friend to this woman.
We have values in common.
We got along.
I made her laugh.
I'm a good provider.
And then she went out with this guy.
And she slept with this guy.
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, and I've, like, for example, my mother told the story of what happened to me, about the whole, like, pregnancy scare or whatever, to her friend and her friend's husband, who's a Marine, and he, I'm not even kidding, this guy was about to, like, get him fired, like, from his current job, the guy I was with, because he was just like, I can't believe what happened, like, but then I'm like, well, I was an idiot here, and so that guy, like, her husband got so mad.
You're supposed to be an idiot in a way.
That's the charm of 19, right?
I mean, this guy's 30.
Yeah, but like 19-year-olds can still play with fire and get burned just like most older adults.
Right, and that's why it's important for the elders of the tribe to keep crazy away from the eggs and keep the eggs away from crazy.
That's the job.
And we can renounce that job if we want, but then we're just, you know, building another trap to the future that drags us down into totalitarianism.
Because if you had gotten pregnant by this guy, You're going to be a single mom, you're going to rely on the state, and you will never be able to be a credible libertarian, right?
Right.
I was going to be a leech, but...
Yeah, and, you know, we'd have some sympathy for you, for sure, and you'd have some agency in it as well, for sure, but...
That's not the life I want.
Yeah, I heard your dad singing earlier as he passed by, and given what happened to you weeks ago...
I'm not sure I'd be singing yet.
He doesn't know the full extent to it, but he's a few cards short of a deck, if I may say.
No, I'm sorry to hear that.
I really am.
No, I like...
Like, he's just...
Because, I mean, young women like yourself have this awesome power of sexual attraction combined with, of course, massive amounts of state power, right?
Mm-hmm.
You need older people to help you to manage this kind of power.
Right.
You know, I mean, I have a very pretty daughter, and, you know, I'm already helping her to start to understand that she doesn't get a lot of free stuff just because she's got a great personality.
She does have a great personality, a wonderful person to be around, but there's a power in prettiness.
Right.
That...
It's what Nietzsche says.
You know, there are three kinds of people who never get the truth.
The beautiful, the powerful, and the very wealthy, because...
Their resources and their controls distort the reality of those around them somewhat consciously, somewhat unconsciously.
I don't think it's true that you'll never get the truth.
I think hopefully we're speaking pretty frankly in this conversation.
But it is an awesome amount of power that young women have.
It is the power to choose whether we have civilization or not because depending on who you end up Making babies with, that's whether we get a civilization or not.
If the young women end up making babies with good men, hey, look, we get civilization.
Why?
Because you have a provider.
You don't need a giant state.
You're committed to small taxes because you're not making money off the state.
In fact, the state is making money off you.
So, look, we get civilization.
We get continuation of the great things that our ancestors died for.
We get property rights.
We get freedom of speech.
We get, you know, all these wonderful things.
Impregnate you.
And if you get pregnant by trashy guys, by low-rent guys, by unreliable guys, we don't get civilization.
It comes down, you know, the future is a why, not a what.
And the why is your legs.
Exactly.
Whether they're open or closed, and to whom?
That's all it comes down to these days.
Are you going to be impregnated by good guys or bad guys?
And we can have all the philosophy in the world, and Lord knows I love that kind of stuff too.
We're going to talk about it more tonight with other people.
But all the philosophy in the world cannot overcome the power of the V to open or close.
I've heard that.
I've heard that, like, women destroy society or can turn, like, one woman can, one attractive woman can technically, like, cause society to go to hell or something.
Helena Troy.
Yeah, Helena Troy.
I sometimes...
No, and I don't think it's down to one woman, but it comes down to women like yourself.
This is why I'm spending a lot of time in this conversation, and I want you to have a great and happy and wonderful life with a great guy, and if you want to be married and you want to be mom, which sounds great, sounds wonderful, and I'd highly, highly recommend it.
But it is a bigger issue than just you, which is why it's so powerful to talk about this kind of stuff and why I really, really appreciate you.
This is why you're on the show and why I really, really appreciate you being so frank and honest about what happened, is that if women can't find a way to restrain themselves, and it's going to have to come from within because the government has taken away all the cues that otherwise would have given you...
Better feedback to make better decisions.
All of that has been numbed, right?
Right, yeah.
So if women do not find any way to restrain their darker sexual impulses, you know, women in general, women statistically, come on, y'all love a bit of rough trade, right?
Yeah, you know what, honestly...
Yeah, we like them.
You like them a little stubbly, a little rough, maybe smelling a little bit of cigars and whiskey.
You like it a little rough?
I mean, I remember the one woman, oh, David Beckham, oh, those tattoos.
It's like, come on.
So, women like a little bit of rough trade, and that's, again, we know that women are most fertile, they tend to prefer the most rough-looking men, and then when they're not most fertile, they tend to find slightly more docile-looking men attractive.
I'm not talking men who look like the ass-end of a Brahmin cow, but, you know, not quite as chisel-jawed and stubbly and all that kind of stuff.
And so, if women can't find a way to aim the V at good guys, I mean, it doesn't matter what people like me or...
Mike Cernovich or Paul Joseph Watson or Bill Whittle or like all the others.
It doesn't matter what we did.
Right.
You know, I mean, Charles Johnson can do all the wonderful things that he does behind the scenes.
Man, that guy's a power behind the throne.
They can do all these wonderful things.
It doesn't matter.
You guys point the V at bad boys.
It doesn't matter.
I mean, you know, it's like we can bail all we want, but if women are drilling holes in the bottom of the ship, in a very bad analogy, and then, you know, the water's coming in faster than the thinkers can bail it out...
If the salty stuff goes in the wrong holes, that's what I'm trying to tell you.
If that happens, we're doomed, and it doesn't matter what the words are.
That's a fitting reference.
Real fitting reference.
I would say, yeah, no, I get you, and I feel like I don't want to complain about society leading me the wrong way, because I'm in charge of my own.
No, but you should.
You are not...
Right.
But I had a friend who was just like, why haven't you slept with so many guys in the past week?
I'm like...
What?
I'm sorry, do we speak the same language?
I say this in a joking manner.
And like I said, you said earlier in the conversation how you can't change dysfunctional people.
And what I was trying to do, like five minutes before I met this guy, I'm not even joking, I was trying to change my friend and make her a virtuous individual and show her the way, show her that sleeping with a lot of guys is not going to lead her to happiness.
And what did she do?
She keeps...
Pregnancy scare after pregnancy scare after pregnancy scare and sleeping with guys when she's 17 and lying about her age.
I mean, I dropped her like a hot rock, but...
Well, yes, and she's become unmarriable.
Because this knowledge is getting out there.
Listen, I've done entire presentations on this truth about sex, truth about single motherhood and so on, and you may have heard that you may have not.
But you know that, I mean, now this information has been suppressed.
That a woman who's been drilled a lot, it's kind of like trying to use a colander for a soup bowl.
Only going to work for a very short amount of time and you can end up with a very wet lap and a burning sensation on your lap.
Hey, that actually really worked as an analogy.
Anyway.
But women who've had a lot of sexual partners, you're not marriable.
There's an old play that had a huge influence on me.
By Tennessee Williams, A Streetcar Named Desire.
Oh, yeah.
And in it, Blanche Dubois, you know, I'm comfortable giving spoilers for stuff that's more than half a century old, but in it, Blanche Dubois is this, like, hysterical caricature of a gay man masquerading as a Southern woman, because, you know, it's a gay guy who wrote the play.
But, um...
She sleeps with everything and everyone.
And she says, oh, it's to fight the death instinct.
It's like, it's all this kind of arty farty shit.
I mean, it's like, yeah, right.
Yeah, you're fighting the death instinct.
That's right.
Just like all the rabbits do.
We're just fighting the death instinct.
It's like, no, you're horny.
I get it.
All right.
And then she's got this bit where she says, you know, I just, I can't eat an unwashed grape latte.
Like, you know, this is like fainting couch purism stuff, right?
Yeah.
And she's hiding her past.
She's hiding her past.
And she's trying to basically con a guy into marrying her.
And she's hiding that she's an alcoholic.
She's hiding that she's insane.
She's hiding that she's hysterical.
And she's hiding that she's been a multi-decade slut who's had more traffic than the channel.
And...
Oh, Lord.
Then, eventually, the husband of her sister goes to the guy she's trying to get to marry him and tells him the truth.
And...
He gets really angry and he comes over and he wants to have sex with her.
And she's like, Lord, no.
She's like, what?
Just me?
You had sex with just about everyone else south of Mason Dixon and you're not having sex with me?
He gets really angry, right?
Because she's been playing the virgin and the non-drinker and the non-crazy woman for him for so long, right?
And it is...
Powerful when he says, I'm not going to marry you now that I know the truth.
And she says, well, why not?
And he says, because you're not clean enough to bring into the house with my mother.
Oh.
And she goes mental, right?
She just physically attacks him.
Right, yeah, yeah.
This knowledge of how a lot of sexual partners makes women unmarriable, this used to be known.
This used to be common knowledge.
You know, we look at the past and we think, oh, those Victorians, how ridiculous they were.
You know, like we think they think the world was flat or something like that.
Or, you know, they didn't know anything about antibiotics.
They didn't have any cell phones.
How ignorant.
Oh, no, no.
They knew.
They knew a lot about human nature, male nature, female nature, the government.
They knew.
They built a whole civilization that we can't even remotely sustain.
And we sort of looked down at them like, oh, primitive.
They said we were repressed.
Repressed!
By God, have you seen movies these days?
A little bit of repression would be a really, really wonderful thing.
Have you seen Disney stars these days after they seem to turn about 18 in one second?
Woo!
Off goes the bra, out come the tits, and everyone is like, oh, that's my childhood that's there on a wrecking ball.
I can't watch it anymore, please.
A little restraint would be a wonderful thing.
But this knowledge is getting out there, and now...
The women who sleep around, the knowledge is out there.
Me, other people, millions of views, millions of downloads.
People know this stuff now.
And so now...
When a man who's had any exposure to this show, in any appreciable amount, goes to a woman and hears that she's been loose, you know, she's played pretty fast and loose on the field and so on, he might want to sleep with her, but he's not going to marry her.
Because that's just putting a gun to your head.
Because she is going to divorce your ass, and she's going to be crazy, and she's going to be unstable, and she's going to be a bad mom, and she's going to take you to family court, and she is going to destroy your life.
She might even end your life, because you might get jailed for non-support of alimony and child support.
You go to jail.
Maybe you get killed in jail.
I don't know.
Oh, Lord.
So this knowledge has been suppressed since the 60s.
Don't slut shame.
It's like, I don't care about slut shaming.
I care about statistics.
And women who've slept with a lot of guys will divorce you almost for sure.
And it's not like all the women, like the 15% or so who won't divorce you, it's not like you have a great marriage anyway.
I mean, you may pray for divorce.
You may pray to be at one of those dinner tables and swallow the piece of unpeeled shrimp and have it lodge in your esophagus and choke your way into a happier place.
I don't know.
But now the knowledge is out there.
I mean, I'm sorry.
I feel I'm angry at your friends who sleep around or your ex-friends who sleep around.
But I also feel very sorry for them because they've been lied to and men have been lied to.
As if women can just do this with no repercussions like we never evolved as a species based on sexual restraint.
Civilization itself is sexual restraint.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Everything else is window dressing.
Right.
I mean, yeah, like, I completely agree with you.
And I remember, like, earlier in the conversation, we were talking about how, like, fire and water, how, like, dysfunctional people repel functional people.
And I've sort of, as soon as I've sort of, like, changed, not my personality, but I've been more, like, stronger in my values, I've been called, like, puritanical.
Like, people will not talk to me anymore.
And I'm like, why?
Like, I have better relationships with better people, but...
The people I used to talk to that are deemed normal in society won't talk to me.
And another thing I've been reading is I think you and Lauren Southern did like a presentation or one of your videos about like statistics and how women with less sexual partners are more likely to have like better marriages.
Yeah, she's done a great presentation on that.
Yeah, I think you talked about it or touched on it too.
But I was just wondering, do you think I... Do you think I have a chance at having a good marriage?
Yeah, absolutely.
You've only slept with one guy.
Yeah, I just feel kind of bad.
Yeah, good.
I'm not here to talk you out of that.
I think that's good, you know?
No, no, no.
I just feel like this is just...
I don't mean to be like, you know...
What's the word?
I don't mean to be whining right now, but I just feel like, damn, I sort of screwed up my entire life.
No, no, I wouldn't put it that way at all.
I wouldn't put it that way at all.
You had what I would consider an enormous wake-up call.
Oh, yes, sir.
Definitely.
Yeah.
And there are people in my life on the dysfunctional side that will have wake up calls where they'll be in life and death situations and they'll just ignore them.
And so to me, I think a lot of times those people have just been like, oh, that's normal.
Like, yeah, that happens.
Like, that happens.
You had a wake-up call, and I think you are using it in the best possible way.
And it could have been a whole lot worse.
And I think your life...
I was skeptical when you said earlier there's a positive thing to it, but I think you made a great case, and I can completely understand that your life is going to be better as a result of this, because...
It has been, I mean, that was a hell of a close call.
And it is the kind of thing, you know, the heart attack that scares you into exercising and eating well, you know, you could end up living a lot longer than if you'd never had the heart attack.
So I think that you could still make a wonderful wife and mom, more so now.
And you've made better decisions than your friends.
You made one crazy decision here that's turned a light on in your whole social environment, your culture, your family, your education, the arts that is around you, the music that is around you that is constant like pump and grind bullshit designed to spread STDs.
Like the music industry is like the typhoid Mary of the rising pregnancy and STD scares that go on among the young.
And this idea that you can simply indulge the flesh at no cost to your soul, for want of a better word, is something that has been illuminated within you.
And now you, through this call, is helping to illuminate hundreds of thousands of souls.
if not millions, of other people.
And you can still be a wonderful mother, a wonderful wife, a great friend, and you can look at this as that which...
Propels you towards the light from a recoil.
Sometimes we head towards the light because we love the light.
Other times we head towards the light because we fear the darkness.
Either way, whatever gets you to the light is a good thing.
Yes, sir.
And I... I've been getting more involved politically.
I've been reading and I plan on maybe publishing to YouTube my thoughts on modern day feminism and my problem with it.
I've been reading and researching and listening to you and listening to people like Lauren Southern and Jordan Peterson and all the rebel media.
People like that that are skeptics.
And I sort of felt like all of these little puzzle pieces, I used to listen to these people, but I never really got it.
Listen, I'm sorry to interrupt you.
There's only one person you need to listen to.
It's not me, just so you know.
It's not even you.
Who is it?
It's Elvis.
What?
I have no voice tonight, but I'm going to do it anyway.
You ready?
Yeah.
You don't like crazy music.
You don't like rockin' bands.
You just wanna go to a movie show and sit there holdin' hands.
You're so square.
Baby, I don't care.
You don't like hot rod racin' or drivin' late at night.
You just wanna park where it's nice and dark.
You just wanna hold me tight.
You're so square.
Baby, I don't care.
You don't know any dance steps that are new.
No one else could love me.
I like you do, do, do, do, do.
I don't know why my heart flips.
I only know it does.
I wonder why I love you, baby.
I guess it's just because you're so square.
Baby, I don't care.
Be square.
Be square.
Just be square.
Listen to Elvis.
He's got it all.
All you need to know is in the Church of P. I do.
I listen to, like, 50s music.
I listen to country.
I listen to, like, the Everly Brothers.
And I get called puritanical and grandma and all that crap.
Yeah.
No, I like that.
You know, this guy is like, you know, so you want to be affectionate.
You don't care about hot rod racing and crazy music.
Great.
You know, I mean, that's be square.
You know, square is the foundation where we actually put civilization and build it.
So square is good.
Conservatism is the new counterculture.
I will steal that line from Paul.
Oh, yeah.
Paul Joseph Watson.
Yeah.
I love them.
Infowars.
Yeah, no, I was square and then I started hanging out with bad people.
Because I used to get made fun of for being stuck up and people were like, you're prudish, you're puritanical, you're going to get mad at me for doing what I want to do.
Obviously the whole modern feminism brainwashing women and believing they can just throw their...
You know, throw sex any which way and see if it sticks.
And they just tell women they can be sluts.
They tell men to stop being men.
And so it's sort of like a huge rebellion now of mine.
Like, I'm just rebelling against everyone I know in my life.
I'm going my own way.
And people are like, what the hell?
Like, what is going on with you?
And here's my last piece of advice.
This is really, really well put.
My last piece of advice is this.
People have been using their penises and vaginas to choose their partners.
And I hate to say it, but you have to go deeper.
It's not your vagina that should choose your lover, it's your ex.
You pick your future boyfriend in consultation with your future children.
Not your vagina, but your ex.
It's not your penis, but your balls who should choose your sex partner, right?
It's the sperm, not the ejaculate, so to speak.
And when you have that perspective, not is this person hot, you know, which is your vagina talking or whatever, but is this person going to be a good dad?
Is he going to be a good provider?
Is this person going to be a good mom?
Are they going to be a good friend?
Are they going to be a great partner?
You let...
Your kids, your future kids, choose your partner.
Now, if you don't want kids, you're too old, whatever, then just let your values choose.
But when we don't have sexual restraint, when we don't tie sexuality to morality, it's not like we then end up not making decisions.
We just end up making bad decisions.
We don't become free.
By not tying sexuality to values, we end up being enslaved.
Enslaved to the flesh, enslaved to penicillin, enslaved to the welfare state, enslaved to whatever.
Enslaved to a woman through the family court system.
And it's not freedom to let go of discipline.
Letting go of discipline is slavery.
The way that we retain freedom is through discipline and self-restraint.
Right.
All right.
I got to move on.
We got a big 12,000 more callers, but useful call?
Helpful?
Positive?
Oh, very useful.
Thank you.
I don't even know how I can thank you other than me going and living a good life using your advice, but I thoroughly appreciate it.
What you do for our world.
I feel like you and the people that are going against the establishment are going to change our world into something more positive.
Well, thank you.
Just send me some pictures of you happy kids.
And I really appreciate your time tonight, Kristen.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, Stefan.
Alright, up next we have Mark.
Mark wrote in and said, We're good to
go.
Or will it lead to a splintering as regional identities take precedence?
What will be the result of Canada's status as, quote, first post-national state, end quote, as the world goes through what will most likely be a major geopolitical shake-up in the coming decades?
That's from Mark.
Hey, Mark.
How are you doing?
I'm doing well.
How are you?
I'm well.
Well, now, Quebec, of course, has had the strongest identity and sense of values, I think, of Canada as a whole, partly, of course, of being a minority in the country.
Would you say that's fair?
I would say that's perfectly fair.
However, in the last Probably 15 years.
What I can tell you is I felt like this sense of national identity is slowly dying off.
I think the independentist movement was pretty much a generational project and since the boomers are starting to pretty much die off, the project is dying off with them.
Do you remember the year of the last referendum?
I do actually.
Yeah, I was fairly young when the last referendum happened, but what I can remember is that there was a lot of acrimony on both sides.
Essentially, the ones that wanted to do their own country were basically accusing the ones who wanted to remain in Canada as being sellouts.
The artists were pretty much all in.
The artistic side was all in on independence.
The business side was obviously fairly...
Well, it was later revealed to have been a fair amount of the dirty tricks being used under the radar by the federal government.
So, what I think I remember most vividly is Jacques Parizeau, who was the Parti Quebecois, no, the Bloc Quebecois chief at that time.
95.
That's it.
Who came out and, while fairly drunk, outright stated, tonight we lost because of money and the ethnic vote.
Yep.
I remember watching that very vividly.
I was, let's see, I was in Montreal at the time.
I spent four years living in Montreal.
And I remember watching it on TV with great ambivalence.
So I'll sort of get to my thoughts in a sec, but please come on.
Well, I think that was a pretty important moment for the independent movement because from that point forward, that was the great pain in trying to be more inclusive and diversity-oriented.
And that seemed to have completely killed the entire momentum of the sovereignist movement more than anything else.
Because quite frankly, it was a movement that was pretty much done for white French Canadians.
And trying to include other people into it only served to dilute it.
And I think it never came back from that.
And it was really close.
It was.
I think it was less than a percent.
49.42 to 50.58.
49.42 to yes and 50.58 to no.
It was a margin of less than 60,000 people out of 4.7 million.
That's it.
And frankly, once again, it might be because I'm from Quebec, but I can feel that in the last 15 years, even that sense of identity just started crumbling.
Maybe it's because of added diversity and more multiculturalism, but I can see that there's a difference.
Come on, I mean, we all say diversity, but it means non-whites.
Let's be frank about that.
Nobody says, oh, we're bringing a lot of people, white people from Belgium, that adds to our diversity.
Or we're bringing in a lot of people from Poland that adds.
It always and forever means non-whites.
That's what diversity means.
And this is, you know, I'm not trying to do anything other than be very frank about what the word actually means.
Europe is very diverse.
Look at how women are dressed across Europe versus how women are dressed across the Middle East.
Europe is incredibly diverse.
Different languages, different cultures, different religions, different histories, different dress, different music, different dances, different everything.
Europe is incredibly diverse.
And what does everyone say?
Europe needs diversity.
What does that mean?
It means Europe needs non-whites.
That's all it means.
Diversity means non-whites, in general, displacing whites.
I mean, I don't mean to be shocking if you've not heard this before, but let's be frank about what it means.
Oh no, I totally agree.
Plus, I actually lived in one of Montreal's most ethnic neighborhoods for quite a while, Ville Saint-Laurent.
And frankly, what I saw was that these people simply were not Canadians.
Their values were very, very different from ours.
They didn't really make any kind of effort in assimilating in the sense that they always lived in their little ghettos and their little neighborhoods where they would all congregate with more or less the same ethnic identities, and they weren't really interested in going outside.
So from a nation-building perspective, it's a complete failure because there's no general identity.
Sure.
Well, when a country is starting, particularly the countries in the New World, You are getting the most entrepreneurial and ambitious or desperate, whether those are the same things or not is a question for another time, but you're getting the smartest, most ambitious, most desperate people who are all white coming to your country.
And so there's a certain amount of just values.
Like, if you have an entrepreneurs conference, then you're going to get a whole bunch of entrepreneurs, and they're going to have similar values, i.e.
they like being entrepreneurs, they don't want to work for other people.
And so there was a kind of self-selection that was going on, and it was very explicit.
In America, in particular, very explicit.
They said, we only want white people, and we're not even sure about those Catholics.
And those Germans?
I don't know.
Like, we want Protestant people from England, hopefully.
You know, white Protestant people from England.
That's How America was founded and that's what they wanted and of course you had to be a rich Well, at least a decent landowner to participate in government with the basic idea being that how can you vote objectively about property unless you actually have some property, right?
That sort of makes sense, right?
Like I'm told I can't have an opinion on women's birth control because I don't have a vagina.
But somehow people who don't have property can vote objectively about property.
So when you're starting out, you don't really think about your values.
Because everyone's values are the same.
No one's coming from the welfare state.
Why?
No welfare state, right?
Everybody's Christian who comes because, you know, it's the 16th, 17th, 18th century and everyone's Christian to begin with.
It was actually a point of contention at the start of the Confederacy because John A. MacDonald actually refused to give Asian people voting rights explicitly to defend the Canadian identity and the Aryan character of the nation, as he called it.
So that was actually a concern they had way back in the late 19th century.
Sure.
Well, mid 19th century.
A friend of mine came back from Jamaica not too long ago and said he had a long conversation with a Jamaican guy.
And the Jamaican guy was railing against the Chinese.
You know, the Chinese come.
I'm not going to try and do the accent.
I don't know this.
I got to Jamaica.
But they, you know, the Chinese, they come to Jamaica and they bought this up and they bought that up and we need to find a way to keep them out.
They're taking over the island.
We've got to stand together, he said to my friend from Canada who was in Jamaica on vacation.
And it's like...
That's interesting.
So he can say that we want to keep Jamaican black.
We want to keep Jamaica ethnically the same.
And Jamaica is like, what, 97% black or whatever, right?
And we got to keep those Chinese out.
And I've yet to see one single mainstream media outlet.
Well, first of all, I've yet to see one mainstream media outlet say anything.
about the incredible decision that CNN made to threaten someone with doxing for exercising the First Amendment rights.
That is completely baffling.
Have you seen anything about me?
I checked out the Canadian media a little bit here and there, and now there's a rather interesting series of pictures about some mom who...
Whose son wanted to dress up as a drag queen and she posted pictures of him in full makeup.
Yeah, that's never going to come back to haunt him.
It's like these women have no idea what it's like to be a guy.
Anyway, so nothing in the Canadian media about this incredible stuff going on with Project Veritas, James O'Keefe, and all this stuff going on with the doxing threats and all of that.
I mean, nothing in the Canadian media.
I mean, it's absolutely totalitarian.
And then they wonder why they need state assistance in order to stay competitive.
Because, you know, actually offering information as an information outlet, that would never be good for their market share.
If you listen to the CBC, you're in a completely different universe from reality.
But yeah, nobody's writing there saying, I can't believe how racist those Jamaicans are against the Chinese.
I can't believe that these Jamaicans want to keep Jamaica, ethnically pure.
Because, see, they're not white, so they can have in-group preference.
They're not white, so they can have pride in their ethnicity and culture.
Because nobody wants a bunch of stuff from Jamaicans, so you don't have to hit them with the supremacist label every time they even think about having an in-group preference.
But anyway, so when you start out, you don't need to think about your values, because your values are handled by...
By the circumstance of the country, by how difficult it is to get there, by what kind of people want to come there, and by an immigration policy that's fairly specific to those kind of people.
Who wants to come and work On a farm in the middle of Saskatchewan, or not even work on a farm, come to a wilderness in the middle of Saskatchewan and carve out 40 acres with their bare hands and, you know, half a blunt axe.
I mean, it's horrendous, right?
Anyone who's, you know, I've done, because I was, you know, gold panner and prospector and claim staker and all of that up north after high school for quite a while.
If you've not worked in the wilderness, you just don't understand what kind of people come to a new land.
So this...
And Canadian values were formed by the people who came here, by the environment, by the kind of people who came here, by the ethnicity, by the religion, by the culture, and by the necessity for hard work.
And when I came to Canada first, 1977, we couldn't afford to fly to Toronto.
We flew from London to New York, and then we took a bus up to London.
Toronto.
And I actually lived in Whitby for the first couple of months, and I was put in grade 8, and I came to Toronto, I was put back in grade 6, a big mess.
Anyway, but when I first came to Canada, I remember being both impressed and alarmed at how earthy and tough-minded Canadians were.
You know, Canadians got this reputation of being nice, but they're only nice because everyone's ferocious in Canada.
Like, you step out of line, it's pretty pissed off.
You don't work, you don't, you know, like the Amish, you don't show up to...
Help people build the barn.
You're never going to get invited anywhere for the next 20 years, right?
So I remember being enormously...
You know, impressed at the earthiness and the somewhat ferocity and the manliness.
Canadian men back in the day, this is before the true rot of the 70s had set in and certainly before all of the, you know, I don't know, fairly metrosexual infection of the 80s kicked in.
Well, we can call it what it is.
That was before Trudeau's father.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, certainly before the ferret-faced Marxist got into power for so long, that was...
That was kind of different.
Yeah, he definitely effetted things up quite a bit.
But man, like, and it had its plus side and its minus side, right?
And I remember very clearly, very clearly the first day I went to school in Toronto.
You know, I had the accent, you know, and I've always had a bit of a fruity accent because I went to boarding school for a while and I don't have...
Tommy Robinson's accent, and that's a whole other story about class and accent and all of that in England.
So I had the fruity English bastard accent and all of that, but I was witty and charismatic and, I guess, fairly good-looking as a kid and all of that.
So I was able to get along fairly well with people, and I only had one sort of very brief bullying incident.
But I remember the first...
Day I was in a Canadian school, a Toronto school at Whitby, the boys were like, hey, new guy, come on outside!
And I'm like...
Oh, what fun!
You know, it was winter, and 1977 was an incredible winter in Canada.
Like, I thought this was just Canadian winter, but it was an extraordinary winter for snow in Canada.
Like, it snowed every day.
You know, it's the kind of thing, like, you go to the mall, and, like, you can't see half the sky because they've plowed so much of the snow from the mall parking lot into these Himalayan series that are unbelievably fun when you're an 11-year-old in snow pants.
But...
I remember they said, come on out, new kid.
And I go on out and I was like, what are we going to play?
Like, we're going to punch the girls in the groin.
And I'm like, what?
What?
What?
And come on!
And, you know, I ran and I couldn't.
I mean, I just, I never could, right?
But it was like, yeah, they would grab the girls and the girls would be laughing and they would try and punch the girls in the groin.
And this was the game.
And I'm like...
I guess I'm not in boarding school.
In boarding school, we were segregated by gender, right?
So we barely got to see the girls at all.
But I just remember thinking like, wow, I am not going to get this anymore.
This is a pretty rough and tough environment.
And, you know, we would go to winter camps and there would be like, the kids would be like, I can't wait to go camping in winter.
And it's like, and there was a choice.
Like, you could go or you could not go.
And I still have no, I ended up camping a lot.
Inadvertently, so to speak, when I was doing the aforementioned gold panning and all that.
But I remember being like, hey, new guy.
I wasn't the new guy, Ben.
Hey, Steph, why don't we all...
Let's all go camping.
It's January.
And it's like, I would rather chew my own legs off, you know, with a nail file.
And so I stayed back with all the kids who had allergies and asthma.
You know, we played cards and it was great.
But I remember at this place, this was my first introduction to giant tubing, you know, where...
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's the best.
You know, you jump on this giant tube, and I always seem to have the worst luck in the world.
Like, every time I go camping, I end up with a tree up my ass, like a tree, you know, the root just sticks up, so I can't get a comfortable spot.
And there's always one damn mosquito.
You get all the mosquitoes, it's like a whole night you can't sleep.
But in this one, so for those who don't know, it's these giant tractor tires.
You inflate them, like way over-inflate them.
Everybody piles on you, go thundering down the side of a mountain, and you end up crashing into a parking lot.
It's great fun.
But there's always one like this, that little...
Tube that sticks out where you fill up the air.
And I always remember that would always go into my ribs or my butt or something like that.
And I'd be going down like, oh, one more bump and I'm going to end up with a sword wound.
But so there was tough enough.
And Canadians very, very strong on freedom of speech.
That's not going on right now, right?
There's been sort of the one-two Middle East punch.
I mean, the Jews got mad because there were apparently Holocaust deniers and they passed laws about that, and that's been used as a thin edge of the wedge to continue to erode free speech in Canada.
But it was very strong when I was younger.
I never had any sense that there were things that you couldn't talk about, never really had any of that sort of issue.
So it does, you know, when everyone's similar and everyone's coming for the same reasons and so on, then you don't need to worry about the values of your, you know, of your country.
Like, if you're on a hockey team, everyone's going to be of different levels of ability, but you don't worry whether anyone likes hockey or doesn't.
Like, they're all on the team, you assume, because they like hockey.
And it's the same thing with a country.
But then when you start to, you get a welfare state, then you immediately start to get multiculturalism as people want to come and get the welfare state and other reasons as well.
And the first generation of immigrants from non-European cultures, a lot of them come for the values and for the freedom, but there's that regression to the mean and now there's the internet.
The internet has made immigration a lot more complicated than it used to be.
Like a friend of mine, when I was a kid, his parents were Italian.
And there were no Italian television stations.
I don't think there was even an Italian radio station, maybe just some real local one out of the back of a van.
And you had to wait like two weeks to get an Italian newspaper.
And so because there was no internet, you really did get detached from your host culture.
And if you wanted to follow the news, you had to learn English.
And if you wanted to follow politics, then you had to follow the news, and then you would get Canadian values through that mechanism.
But now that there's the internet, I mean, why do you think that the migrants and the people who go to Europe go so insane if their laptops don't work or their tablets don't work or if the Wi-Fi is down or whatever?
Because now you can bring pretty much your whole culture with you.
You can get all the news.
You can get all the stuff in your own language.
Because there's the internet now, and also because long-distance phone calls are basically free through the internet, through Skype and stuff...
There is the welfare state and all of that, the refugee money that flows to these people, but because of the internet, the opportunities for integration and the motives for integration are virtually non-existent.
And this is why, you know, all of this diversity, you know, as a value was proposed long before the internet came along.
And you could at least make the case that to survive, if you were smart, to survive in your host country, you'd learn the values, you'd learn the language, and you'd get along with the host culture.
But now with the internet, people bring, it's not just the fragmentation and the balkanization within each community.
It's the fact that they have all of the access to culture and language and everything, news and everything in their own language.
Okay, so what's really the point of attempting to adapt?
I mean, the motive has virtually ceased to exist.
So that, I think, has made things...
Canada didn't need to think about values for a long time.
They were just naturally part of the whole Canadian experiment.
And now, by the time the issue is coming up, The answer generally seems to be Canada has no values in particular, because, you know, whatever values you have are going to offend someone.
And so we have this boring end of civilization tolerance and apathy and diversity stuff, which is nothing but appeasement.
Yeah, plus earlier in the discussion you mentioned something that I found was pretty poignant to the Canadian experiment, if we can call it that.
It was that countries are a result of their circumstances.
And I feel like the basis for Canada's obsession with multiculturalism goes back to the fact that when it just started out, when it was still Upper and Lower Canada, it was basically two cultures forced to cohabit together.
And from their point on, multiculturalism was just always a part of the Canadian experiment.
It just now grew to basically cancerous proportions.
Well, of course, there was the great collapse of religious faith in the 60s.
In Quebec.
And you probably know way more about this than I do.
I'll just touch on it briefly and let you take it from there, just for those who don't know.
So, I mean, Quebec was like insanely religious.
And I say this as a new friend of Christianity, but I mean, it was seriously religious.
And like within the space of five years, like women went from having like 12 babies to like one.
And there are, at least there was when I lived in Montreal, there were subway stations named for known virulent Catholic anti-Semites.
And nobody had any particular issue with that.
But there was this, the quiet revolution where religious faith, like within the space of half a decade, I mean, again, you know it better, it just vanished completely.
And then what happened was there was, in my opinion, there was this giant...
Value vacuum and inrushed socialism.
And then because there was a succession of Quebecois politicians who were very prominent, socialism, which rushed into communism, sometimes rushed into the vacuum left by the fall of faith and Catholicism.
That then spread through Canadian politics to make it become more socialistic.
And in Canada in the 1960s, you, of course, had socialized medicine, the foundation of the modern welfare state, and all of the kind of stuff that went on, which was resisted by the church.
The church, of course, resisted the welfare state because it weakened the family and took away the negative consequences for out-of-wedlock births and so on.
And so, yeah, religious faith ends.
Communism and socialism rushes in to Canada through the gaping hole of religious faith, through which poor leftist politicians are coming out of Quebec.
And of course, as we talked about with Ezra Levant recently, I mean, Pierre Trudeau, the current prime minister's quote father, he was an out-and-out Marxist in his youth.
And Because he was responsible for getting the Constitution back from, or the Bill of Rights back from the British, and had a huge influence on how it went, things just got a lot softer and goopier.
And by the time you have to start defining all of your rights and all of that, rather than having it be part of the culture, that's the time when they first start to die, I think.
Yeah.
I can definitively talk a little bit more about the death of the Catholic Church here in Quebec.
Yes, listen, and take your time.
I mean, I find this fascinating stuff, so I don't feel like any rush at all.
Now, I do love history, but I'm not the best person in the world about Canadian history, so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
But basically, for most of the 40s and 50s, especially the 50s, the politics of the province were dominated by a party called Union Nationale.
The National Union, who was owned by Maurice Duplessis.
He had basically an obvious alliance with the clergy, the Catholic clergy that was local in Quebec, to the point where the clergy would always tell the churchgoers, well, remember, Heaven is blue and hell is red.
And the National Union's color was blue and the Liberal Party's color was red.
So it was very obvious what was going on.
And they did abuse a little bit their position in society, especially in regards to some of the schools.
There was a lot of school scandals.
Wait, sorry, do you mean the clergy here?
Yes, the clergy here.
Duplessis for Esparte There was a lot of talk that he abused his position, but then again, we get that information from the very leftist local media.
And at the same time, the abuse that they're always saying that he went too far was in fighting communism, such as Edward Scadena.
This is the same stuff you hear about Salvatore Allende.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, got it.
That's it.
And it was always anti-union and everything like that.
And of course, the left is very pro-union.
And what happened is that I think in 59 or 60, Duplessis died.
And at that point, the National Union was basically a one-man party.
So when he died, his entire party crumbled, and the Liberal Party took over from the vacuum.
And when that happened, the Catholic Church lost a lot of power because they had invested a lot of their influence into the political games of the National Union, which is one of the reasons I think religion should stay so far away from politics, because once you start getting embroiled into the temporal powers, of course at one point you're going to be on the wrong side, and then...
I mean, you're just going to get fucked by the whole situation.
Well, but the counterpoint would be that once religious values leave politics, you get this leftist blasé multiculturalism, which often leads to the death of your society.
So I agree, state and church, state and religion should be.
But when politics is uninformed by religious values, it tends to collapse into materialism and greed and a lack of respect for cultural values of any kind.
I agree.
I was talking about that to one of my friends.
She's from Algeria.
And I'm trying to explain to her the kind of cultural malaise that's going on here.
And I was explaining to her, sure.
She told me, well, you guys don't practice any kind of religion anymore.
And I said, sure.
But our entire society's culture is based on those religious values.
And if you take away the foundation, the whole structure crumbles.
And to get back to Quebec's history, essentially what happened at that moment is that the union movement and the nationalist movement, the nationalist movement used to be very pushed, very propelled by the Union National, by National Union and Duplessis.
He was the one, for instance, who came up with Quebec's flag.
He was very in your face with the federal government.
He was pretty much the one who In a certain way, supercharged Quebec's pride and nationalism.
And just for those who don't know, like, I mean, Daughters of the American Revolution has nothing on the pure land idea, like the pure wool.
Like, are you one of the original settlers?
Can you trace your lineage back?
I mean, that used to be very, very important in Quebec.
Yes, to the point where there's a lot of open scorn to French people here.
We even just call them des estes français, just like fucking French.
Because, you know, they're French, but not the good kind.
You see the type of thing.
And yeah, so when this nationalism was all of a sudden found rudderless without being attached to the Union Nationale, what happened was that it was essentially taken over by Marxists to the point where the FLQ, which is the Front de Libération du Québec, a terrorist organization that used bombings to push forward the cause of Quebec's independence.
Well, they kidnapped politicians and then killed one, right?
Yes, they kidnapped Pierre Laporte, who was a liberal politician, and they killed him.
And when they released their manifesto to the media, it explicitly called for the creation of a Quebec Marxist-Leninist state.
Just outright Marxism.
Wait, wait, wait.
Are you saying that there are leftist groups out there who might attempt to achieve their political objectives through violence?
Let us make a big X in history because that's never going to happen again.
Of course.
I mean, when would that ever happen in the past or in the future?
And yeah, basically what happened is that now, for the moment, the nationalist movement is very, very still lefty.
The main party attached to sovereignty, the Partis Québécois here in the province, is pretty explicitly in bed with the major public unions.
And because of that, that's actually one of the things that probed me asking my question to you.
Because something I noticed is that nationalism is going forward everywhere in the world when it's actually going backwards in Quebec.
People are less and less nationalistic about the Quebec nation.
But I wonder, sorry to interrupt, but I wonder if...
I wonder if people like the FLQ and those groups, if they wanted more separatism within Quebec because Canada stood in the way of their Marxist paradise, you know, like the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Constitution that was repatriated and so on, that it's easier to achieve your Marxist paradise if you're not weighed down by sort of federal statutes and law.
That is possible.
If I remember correctly, the FLQ was most active in the 70s.
I'm a little bit fuzzy about the date when Trudeau went to get back the Quebec Constitution.
Was that in the mid-80s or mid-70s?
They started negotiations in November of 81, and the Constitution Act was 1982.
That's it.
The FLQ's worst period was in, I think, the mid-70s.
I think there was something called the October crisis, during which the FLQ's activity had increased to such a point when they kidnapped the politician that Trudeau actually called the war measure law, the loi des mesures de guerre.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Just watch me, he said.
Yes, exactly.
Because, you know, once again, when a leftist wants something to happen, what is he going to do?
Grab a gun.
But you can't have guns.
Well, no, Canada's pretty—not too bad for gun ownership.
But the repatriation of the Constitution had something to do—well, at least this is what Trudeau said—it had something to do with the referendum in 1980.
And so he's like, okay, we're going to patriot the Constitution and bring it back and so on, I guess, to strengthen federalism and all that.
And there's a lot of machinations that came out of this that were quite gripping at the time.
I remember following them quite closely at the time.
That's it.
And ever since then, all that I've seen is that Quebec nationalism has started to be, ever since the last failed referendum, Quebec nationalism started going on a downward spiral.
And that's something that's a little bit interesting to me because you can see nationalism on the rise everywhere except here.
And what I notice is that it's a right-wing nationalism that's on the rise everywhere in the world.
Whereas in Quebec, nationalism is nowadays pretty much associated to leftism.
Well, yeah, but I mean, the left, the hard left, they're not motivated by a love of the poor, they're motivated by hatred of the rich.
And in Western countries, the rich tend to be white males for a variety of reasons we've gone into in the show before.
And so, you know, they institute communism to destroy the successful, to destroy the rich, to destroy the able, to destroy the intelligent and the ambitious and the successful.
I mean, it's just Nietzschean low-rent resentment of smarter and better people.
And so the original goal of the left, of course, was to destroy the successful people through direct control in communism.
When that fell apart in the 60s, they turned to immigration as the methodology they were going to use to troll Christians and harm the dominant group in their society.
Mm-hmm.
And that's very true.
I can see it in Quebec.
There's a lot of immigration and it's not the same place anymore.
Not at all.
I remember when I was a child.
I lived in the suburb of Montreal, fairly on the North Shore.
And when I was a child, we would routinely have those kinds of like small street festivals where it was just like all of our street.
We were on a closed up street and we'd just all get together.
We'd rent festival equipment, tents and everything.
And we'd just have like a little cookout, a little barbecue.
But as time went on, things like that just stopped happening.
Well, we know statistically that multiculturalism and diversity kills community.
I've observed that firsthand.
And frankly, we didn't even get that much diversity back when I first experienced that.
And nowadays, even in the suburbs, you can see that there's far less white people.
And the kind of like Quebec nation as a concept, I feel, is slowly dying.
It's reached a point where the local party in power in the province, the Liberal Party, They're plagued by constant corruption scandals.
And when I mean corruption, I mean outright ties to the mafia, that kind of bad stuff.
I've read some of the stuff like there's journalists, was it, in Montreal and other places, journalists who are just like constantly uncovering mob ties and huge amounts, particularly with public construction, which has always been kind of a feeding ground for organized crime.
I mean, it's shocking stuff.
Oh yeah, it's insane.
And despite all of that, the other parties are completely unable to dislodge them because the biggest other party is attached to the sovereignty movement.
So you can see that there's a real complete...
people just aren't buying that kind of movement anymore.
Well, I mean, the ethnic vote is, you know, they want to have their own neighborhoods where they can be among their own ethnicity, their own culture, but they don't want Whites to have that, right?
I mean, that's sort of fairly inevitable, to the point where they're just willing to...
And this is one of the reasons why multiculturalism doesn't work, is that you get groups in and they start voting according to their group interest rather than the good of the country as a whole.
And so, of course, you're not going to get...
You're going to get groups...
Come in from particularly third world countries.
They're going to vote for the left.
And the left then dangles more and further immigration in.
Like I was talking with Faith Goldie recently.
She was pointing out 300,000 immigrants a year into Canada.
And three quarters of them are non-whites.
Yes.
So of course they're going to vote for...
I mean, are they going to vote to stop immigration, those groups?
No, because they want their friends, their family, and more people to come in.
And they want their own particular...
I mean, people have this idea like human groups just somehow...
Live in harmony together.
I think they can if there's no state.
Separation of state and ethnicity is as essential as separation of church and state.
But the sum total of human history is endless warfare between competing groups.
Two subspecies don't inhabit the same geographical area for long.
One will always displace the other.
And this idea, it's a complete naive reading of history.
It's like basing your biology on children's books where the That's not how it works in nature.
And it sure as hell isn't how it works between human groups.
They compete.
They have in-group preferences.
This is basically how evolution works, is in-group preferences for genetic proximity.
And there's conflict.
And there's win-lose.
And there's not examples of successful long-term cooperation between groups and...
Simply repeating diversity as a strength, like some sort of brain-deadening mantra, is not going to change the basic reality of a tribal species.
And again, I think it all could work fairly well, but when you have the state, like as you know, when the state had the power to control...
Religion, then everybody tried to control the state to impose their religion.
When the state has the power to control demographics through the welfare state, through immigration policy and so on, then each group is going to try and control the state's capacity to enhance and grow their own group.
And it's, you know, anybody who thinks otherwise is naive or tousled.
Yeah, the diversity is our greatest strength, canard, is something I never actually got because I know history pretty well.
And when you look at various nations that went all in on multiculturalism back in the day, let's say the Roman Empire, as it became more diverse, it became weaker.
Or let's look at the Ottoman Empire, a massive empire unable to defeat Austria, despite having huge technological and numerical advantages.
But they were very diverse, whereas Austria were one united people.
So you can see that this entire thing of diversity is a strength.
If it's a strength, how come was the Ottoman Empire, once again, which was richer and, frankly, more advanced for quite a while, why didn't it just steamroll over Europe?
Why didn't it keep becoming more and more advanced in Europe comparatively?
The phrase diversity of strength is just an intelligence test.
That's all it is.
And it's depressing how many people fail it.
Because if something is true, you don't have to keep repeating it.
You know, I don't start off every show with, yep, still bald.
I mean, if something's true, you don't have to keep repeating it over.
Repetition is for things that aren't true.
You know, I hope two and two is still four today.
I better check.
I better repeat.
Chant that to myself in the mirror, you know?
Like that old Stuart Smalley character from, I think it was Saturday Night Live.
You know, I'm good enough.
I'm smart enough.
And gosh darn it, people just like me.
You have to repeat that to yourself in the mirror every morning because no one likes you.
I mean, they like the guy even less now that he's become a politician from hell.
But so this, you know, diversity is strength.
Got to repeat it.
Got to repeat it.
Why do you have to repeat it?
You know, you don't see politicians going up to the podium every day and say, Google is a valuable company.
Amazon makes money.
You know, things that are true that, you know, whatever, you know, books can help you be smarter.
Typing is a useful skill.
Things that are true, more or less, you don't need to constantly repeat them.
We still have currency.
That's good.
It is funny.
Smart people know that people repeat stuff because they don't believe it and it's not true.
It's the old proverb that a big lie repeated often enough.
People start to believe it.
Well, yes, but unfortunately, if something isn't true, reality is constantly denying it, right?
Yes.
You have to go to college or you'll never get a good job.
No, that's not true.
In fact, going to college will probably prevent you from getting a good job because you won't be able to negotiate because you'll be too full of student debt.
So I think that it's just an intelligence.
People who are desperate to believe stuff that's not true constantly need to go back to the well of repetition, right?
Like, you know, your body runs out of water, so you've got to go drink some more water.
And, you know, reality keeps denying your lies, so you have to keep going back for reinforcement.
And so whatever people just repeat over and over and over again...
I mean, it's not true.
It's not true.
The world still has fear this morning.
You have to repeat.
Diversity is a strength.
The world still has fear.
Stars are bright.
Night is dark.
Stars are bright.
You know, clouds are high and the ground is low.
You don't need to repeat two stuff.
Well, sometimes you do need to repeat the earth is round thing.
I mean, I heard your interview with the flat earther.
Sometimes you need to repeat it, it seems.
Well, yes, but that's another kind of intelligence test now, isn't it?
That's very true.
Yeah, no, it is.
And there's, you know, estimates that since the 19th century, we've lost two standard deviations of IQ points in the West.
There is five to six IQ point drop in France, for obvious reasons, over the last decade or two.
It's repeated because it's not true, and smart people know that, and dumb people have to keep going back to the well to keep being told stuff that isn't true.
Yeah, and speaking of friends and diversity, I actually know someone who is French, lives in France, and his brother explicitly joined the army so that he would be better situated to help his family during the upcoming civil war.
Not if there is a civil war, but when it will happen.
So you can see that the people's view on the ground is very, very grim.
Yeah, not grim enough to try and come up with a political solution.
Yeah, well, that would involve them actually doing something constructive rather than just writing as soon as you try to cut benefits.
Well, this is the thing, right?
This is the thing that nobody's had any luck talking to the boomers about cutting their benefits and therefore everything else falls from there.
I mean, I don't blame the migrants.
I don't blame the immigrants.
I mean, this is exactly what I would do if I was in that situation.
The problem is with the boomers who sold their soul and freedoms for state power and going to the boomers and saying, sorry, we can't afford any of these benefits.
I mean, look what the hell's going on in Illinois these days.
I mean, it's just one step above junk bond status, and then they haven't passed a budget in two years.
Why?
Because nobody's able to talk to people and say, there's no money, we can't pay your benefits, because people will go mental.
The boomers will go mental if you get between them and their government cheese, and everything else falls from that.
Because if we could find a way to restrain government spending and control and diminish the welfare state and all of that, then That would be a whole different matter.
But it's all a shadow cast by the fact that the boomers won't have any kind of rational conversation about their free stuff because they've become weak, entitled, and greedy people as a whole.
And it's wretched what they've done to the young.
Trust me, I fully agree with you there.
And one of the things that keeps me warm at night is the scenario that's every day coming to be a little bit more plausible.
That before they die, there's going to be a huge collapse in what government programs can provide.
And at the same time, as a result, there will be a huge collapse in asset prices.
So that after having made their bed this entire time, now they're just stuck in it.
They couldn't get away with that situation.
Besides maybe if their kids help, but then again, they're the boomers.
They're the other groups in society that will step up and say, we'll pay.
Just vote for us.
Christ, I hope not.
Well, you know, that's an opportunity.
These kinds of collapses, it can go either way.
Alright, I gotta move on to the next caller, but thanks very much for the call-in.
It was a great pleasure to chat some Kinect history.
Hey, look, there's your Ken Con Naggers.
So, I appreciate that, and feel free to call back anytime.
Thanks, Ethan.
Have a nice day.
Alright, up next we have Connor.
Connor wrote in and said, My parents were divorced two years ago, and in the process I witnessed my father become a shadow of his former self.
Now, all around me, I see what appear to be broken men and emasculated young boys.
Anyone listening to your show should know the causes of this fall of man, the consequences of which are deep, personal, and far-reaching.
In this era, what can a youth like myself do to be a real man amid such hostility towards masculinity and animosity towards the traditional concept of manliness?
That's from Connor.
Oh hey Connor, how you doing?
Hey Steph, I'm doing really well.
Tell me about what happened with your dad, if you don't mind.
People who haven't seen this kind of scenario probably could benefit from hearing about it.
Well, do you have any...
Sorry, are you getting echoes on your end?
Just because I had to disconnect my microphone.
No, it's good.
Okay.
So, basically what happened...
So, I was gone at the time.
I'm a Mormon, so I was on a mission.
So I was gone for two years, and about halfway through, I didn't know that there were any problems with my parents' marriage.
I had no idea.
And then I got a phone call that they were separating, and that was a complete shocker for me.
I had no idea what was going on.
And when I got back, I lived with my dad, just because I've always been a little bit closer to my dad.
I have always loved and had a good relationship with my mom, but I just have always been closer with my dad.
We just have personalities that mesh.
When I got back home, I remember he was just so depressed and he felt so awful about himself.
He very much blamed himself for what happened, that they'd been separated.
He wasn't unfaithful or anything.
It's a bit complicated how it ended up happening.
But in any case, he felt a lot of blame.
And when I started digging into it, to give you an idea of how crippled he seemed compared to the strong man that I'd always known, he told me, That he was going to go to court with my mom, and he said, I'm not going to get a lawyer.
I'm just going to go because I feel so horrible.
I'm just going to go in as myself, naked essentially.
And I told him, Dad, wake up.
Get off your knees.
Get up, stand up, and stand up for yourself.
And I started to help him understand that That while, yeah, he may have made a mistake, at the end of the day, it was my mom's decision to leave.
And I started learning more when he told me about the psychologist that they went to go see, that he and my mom went to go see before their marriage ended.
And he just told me basically stuff that the doctor had told him, that the psychologist had told him.
My mom had been reading books that...
Sorry, this might seem a little bit jumbled, but she was reading a lot of books around about the time that she left where it was talking about...
To give you an idea, the titles were...
Putting away the nice girl syndrome and all these like female horrific books about female empowerment and stuff like that that are really just man-hating books and so she projected this image onto my dad of this horrible abusive evil monster and the psychologist that my dad was that my parents were working with he He echoed the same thing.
My dad was telling me the stuff that he said, and my dad believed it, that at his heart, my dad was this horrible, abusive person.
And there were things about his nature that just simply could not be changed.
And it made me really, really angry because my dad is not a horrible, evil, abusive monster.
And he came to believe all that.
And so I... I don't think it was particularly healthy for me, but I essentially was his therapist in some ways.
I was his only outlet, really, to talk to when I got back home.
What else would you like to know?
Why did she divorce him?
So, from what I understand, my...
My mother, previous to them getting married, my mother had had a relationship with somebody, from what I understand, and my dad was always jealous of this relationship, and so every so often he would bring up, he would use it almost like a tool, almost as a, did you understand what I'm saying?
He would use it as a tool to have influence.
He'd make you feel bad about this prior relationship?
Yeah, I think that's, yeah.
It was not an often thing.
The number of times that my parents had arguments was few and far between.
There was never any yelling in my house.
When my dad was away from home and my mom was trying to get us to do stuff, there might be a little bit of yelling.
But other than that, not really.
And if I'm being honest, I think my mom left because she caught the feminism bug.
Oh yeah, there's this whole world of authentic empowerment and liberty and freedom and you get to free yourself from the chains of marriage and the oppressive patriarch and blah blah blah, right?
Yeah, and I mean, I don't think that my mom understands all the minutia of it, but I mean, like, talking to...
Men are susceptible to superhero fantasies, and women are susceptible to victim narratives.
It's just one of the basic differences.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I'm gonna go to war, and I'm gonna win!
That's the man's sort of weakness for superhero, and it's like, I've been hard done by, and my natural self have been prevented from expressing itself, and I don't have a voice!
It's like, yeah, it's just, um, it's the two weaknesses of the genders.
Yeah, I suppose so.
So, um...
I mean, it makes sense.
And fortunately, my dad didn't end up getting a lawyer, a really good one.
Because I think my mom was expecting, as it has happened in most, it seems, divorce cases.
I mean, if you think of any divorced couple, who do the kids always end up with?
It tends to be with the mom.
And I think my mother was expecting that my dad would roll over.
I'm glad I got home and talked to him before he did do that.
You could have been raised by a feminist.
Exactly.
It's insane.
It's been very difficult.
It's very confusing for me because I have always had a very good relationship with both of my parents.
I've always been closer to my dad just because I think personality-wise we're more similar.
But with my mom I've always had a good relationship.
I could always talk to her.
And I think...
Because she was married, she tended to have very similar opinions to my dad, like politically and everything.
And I could talk to her about a lot of things that were controversial.
And there wasn't really an issue.
She would always say, oh, how interesting and stuff like that.
But now, it's quite the opposite.
She is...
A lot more closed to that sort of thing and I mean it makes sense because it makes sense that she would be closed to those issues like feminism and stuff like that because it really is what is justifying her lifestyle at the moment.
Right.
What age range was your mom in when she got into this stuff?
When she got into the horrible books.
So my parents are both around 50 right now.
And it happened just about two years ago.
A little more than, like three, oh wow, like three years ago.
So there's another kind of pattern as well.
You know, everyone talks about the midlife crisis of men.
Everybody talks about the...
Midlife crisis of women.
The midlife crisis of women is very important.
When you lose your sexual market value and for women it happens like literally overnight sometimes.
There is a huge challenge.
There's a huge challenge.
Women get into politics.
Women get into feminism.
Women get into all kinds of stuff when their sexual market value declines.
And I have no problem with that at all.
I think it's great to get into various ideas.
Unfortunately though, It's like there's this massive swing from dominance to victimhood, right?
Because as I talked about with the young women earlier, when women are young and in their prime, there's a huge amount of sexual market value power and combined with the fact that democracy is not fair between the genders because women outvote men, because women live longer than men.
Yeah.
And so women have greater needs from government because women can end up as single moms and women's health care is more expensive than men's health care.
And so women have greater needs from government and women outvote men.
You can't do anything about that.
I mean, within the context of the system as it stands.
Women are always going to outvote men.
There's really nothing you can do about it.
And so for some reason, women go from power when they're young to victimhood when they get older.
But the victimhood gives them another kind of power.
You understand?
When they have sexual power, it's because they're being desired.
But when they end up with negative power, like that's kind of positive power, like the reward of sexual access and all that kind of stuff.
Sorry to talk about your mom this way, but you know what I mean.
So that's kind of positive power where women are desired.
So then when a woman loses her sexual market value power, well, she still wants power, so how does she get it?
Well, she gets it by being a victim.
She gets it by being a victim, and then she allows, she gets to dominate people not by being sexually desirable, but by being a victim who nags.
And who is angry and who is impatient and who is short-tempered and who is always right.
See, when you're young as a woman, nobody tells you that you're wrong because they all want to get in your pants.
I mean, of course, right?
You don't get heavily criticized as a woman when you're young because high sexual market value and so on.
So then when you get older, there's a sort of tipping point as a woman where men are going to start to shockingly start to tell you the truth because your sexual market value has vanished, right?
And so then how do you keep men from telling you the truth or people from telling you the truth?
Well, you become a brittle, angry feminista, right?
And you become a victim and then you nag people and you get angry.
Now still no one can tell you anything or correct you.
And I don't know how to solve any of this.
I'm just sort of trying to describe it if that makes any sense.
Yeah, I understand.
And the reason why it's so frustrating and confusing for me is that I hate to look at my mom in that way because it's never been like that traditionally, if you understand what I mean.
The thing that made me so frustrated with her about all of this is that she accuses my dad of being this horrible, evil, horrific monster.
And to me, I think...
Well, how did you not realize this before?
You were married to him for 25 years, so how did this not...
You know, I didn't have this part of my brain.
I mean, leftists do this all the time, false consciousness.
Why is it that construction workers look at their boss with sympathy, who has to stay all night dealing with invoices and angry suppliers and irate customers and taxes, and they're like, whoa, I'm so glad we get to go home.
Why is it that the workers are so happy and would never want to be the boss?
Well, false consciousness, you see, it's not that it's a rational exchange of particular values and virtues and that there's costs and benefits to being both a worker and a boss.
They just say it's false consciousness.
That they are angry, they just don't know it.
And then what they do is to the leftists, what they do if they get a hold of these kinds of people, is they say, well, we're now telling you the truth, but what they're doing is creating resentment that wasn't there before.
And then they say, oh, the resentment always was there, it just didn't come out until we told you the truth.
But the reality is...
That you no more had resentment than you have tranquilizer before somebody blows a blow dart into your neck, right?
It's like, well, I'm just liberating the tranquilizer that was there initially or originally.
It's like, no, you put this poison into my system.
And so, yeah, this is one of these self-fulfilling prophecies.
You know, the moment you know the truth, you're going to get really angry.
The truth is you're a victim.
The truth is there are assholes all around you.
The truth is...
And then next thing you know, you're angry.
It's like, ah, I see.
I told you the truth, and now you're angry.
It's like, nope, you just stoked someone up.
That's not the same as telling the truth.
Yeah, I mean, and it's frustrating because, I mean, so, I mean, there really are only two options here.
Either my dad was, in fact, an abusive, horrible monster, and my mom is just incredibly ignorant and stupid, which she's not.
So that can't be it.
Or, I mean, I guess that there's a third option that my dad suddenly turned into a horrible, evil, abusive monster.
But I don't find that likely because, I mean, in my experience since I've been home, my dad has only been a better person after this.
He's been incredibly humbled, that's for sure.
And, I mean, so, I mean, really the only two options are that either he was or he wasn't.
That's what's really frustrating for me.
But I guess going back more to my question is that when I came home, he really was a shell and just a shadow of himself.
And I kind of started to notice more, especially listening to your show and listening to a lot of other people talk.
I mean, I'd always kind of known this growing up in the Mormon church.
My seminary teacher...
He was a very conservative, right-wing libertarian, and he would show us—well, he would explain to us, like, How men have been ripped on for so long.
Homer Simpson is a retard.
The girls are always geniuses and the boys are always dumb.
I don't know if you've ever seen a show called Modern Family.
No, I haven't.
Well, so in it, there's a young boy.
I guess he's not young anymore.
He's a teenager now, maybe late teens.
And there's a girl.
And the girl is played by an actress named Ariel Winter.
And she had it rough.
I think she's legally separated from her mother.
Not particularly smart, but she's portrayed as the genius in the show, right?
Now, the boy is, of course, inevitably portrayed as an idiot, right?
He's dumb.
Now, the reality is the boy is really, really intelligent, like the actual actor who plays him, like super mensa, crazy high IQ, really, really smart, straight A's in everything he touches, right?
And, you know, Ariel Winter, I mean, she's, you know, I guess a nice enough person, but she's sure showing a lot of skin on the internet kind of stuff, right?
So she's using her sexual market value.
So she's supposed to be the genius in the family, and the boy has to be dumb.
But in reality, I'm not saying she's dumb, but the boy, for sure, the actor is a genius.
And this is just inevitable.
And it's part of the...
Leftist plan, you know, stoke women full of ambition, and genetically, it's not likely to pan out, because, as we've talked about before, at the very highest levels of IQ, it's, sorry, it's just a bit of a sausage fest.
That's just the way that nature has played things out.
If it's sexist, well, we can blame Mother Nature, who apparently is a female, for all this sexism.
But, no, just, it's...
You always have to portray the women as geniuses.
And it's a funny thing too is that you say this thing in feminism where they say, well, the reason that there aren't more female engineers is they're not mentored enough.
You see, they don't get enough examples.
They need mentoring.
They need to see female engineers in order to realize that they can become female engineers.
It's like...
How retarded is that?
Women, who would have so little respect?
Well, a woman can't possibly think she could be an engineer unless she saw a female engineer.
It's like, what?
Well, I mean...
I mean, they really think...
I mean, you know, there's the whole idea that they're projecting their own...
Yeah.
Straight women are so stupid that they can't possibly think they could be.
But the funny thing is they say, well, see, little girls, they need to see scientists so that they can imagine.
They need to be mentored.
They need female examples.
They need female mentors and so on, right?
And then you say, well, don't little boys, kids of single moms need male role models?
Don't they need fathers?
Oh, no.
It's so, I mean, it's so one-sided.
If women need mentors, little girls need mentors in order to grow up and find young women, and they need female examples and female mentoring, don't little boys need fathers?
Oh, no.
That's just different, mystery-wise.
The self-unawareness of these people is really staggering.
No, it's not.
Their purpose is not self-awareness.
Their purpose is power.
Their purpose is propaganda.
And their purpose is the destruction of the attractiveness of Western women.
But sorry, go ahead.
What I'm saying is that coming from myself, I generally perceive myself as a little bit more self-aware than they are.
It's hard to imagine being in a spot like that.
It's hard to imagine being so self-unaware.
That's what I'm saying.
Well, and why is it that girls do so badly without fathers?
If girls are needed, female mentors and moms can be just as well.
I mean, why is it that girls who grow up without fathers statistically do pretty terribly?
I mean, women are not good at being the only parent.
I mean, I don't know men.
I don't know if it's been studied that much.
I've heard some positive indications.
I haven't seen anything final.
But that's not the issue.
The issue is...
That women are bad at being single moms.
Women are bad at being parents if there's no husband around.
They're certainly bad at being providers, for obvious reasons, and they're bad at being parents.
Women and boys suffer from single moms, but you can't talk about that because leftists need single moms so they can keep growing the state.
I mean, they don't care about kids.
They don't care about the survival of the family.
They don't care about the survival of civilization.
Hell, they don't want it to survive in its current form.
They just want more and more power.
And like any drug dealer who wants to grow his empire, he can get more and more people addicted.
Fantastic.
And you can get, on the left, more and more people addicted to the state by smashing the family.
Damn, that family's got to go because power is the only star they guide their horrible ship by.
Yeah.
So, yeah, and I mean, going back to my question about being a man, it's frustrating for me, too, because this culture has, I mean, you should know, the Mormon Church is incredibly conservative.
Yeah, but they've had their social justice warriors in more recently, too, haven't they?
We very much have.
There is a direct, and as all social, like the The idea is not to reform the church, the idea is to destroy the church, and at least that's what it seems to be.
But I look up at a lot of the men in our church about the boomer age and some of the older Gen Xers, and they'll get up onto the pulpit when they give a talk or whatever, and they'll say something to the effect of No, no, sorry, the other way around.
The women will get up and they'll bear their testimony or whatever, or they'll be up at the pulpit and they'll say something to the effect of, oh yeah, I raised five boys, my four children and my husband.
And oh ho ho, the crowd laughs.
And men often say, like all the time, the older men in the church who are often very overweight, and they just don't look like, I guess if you look back I think old propaganda is a good thing to look at as far as what manliness should look like in a way.
If you look at 1940s World War II propaganda, all the men you see are really muscular, really intelligent looking.
You know, well-groomed and stuff like that.
And the men I see today, I mean, they don't seem to take very good care of themselves.
And it doesn't seem like they held themselves really in that high esteem either, because they talk about themselves like, they talk about their, you know, things like, she's my better half and stuff like that.
But to the extent of like...
But that's so pathetic.
I know.
No, no, no.
And I want to point this out.
It's like, Men have the capacity—we have the capacity to laugh at ourselves because we're not insecure, weak idiots.
Right.
Right?
So, yes, I can make fun of myself and all that, but, you know, for women to make fun of women, you know, and it's like, when did women get to be so fragile?
I mean, one of the things that Alex de Tocqueville said about democracy in America, in the famous book Democracy in America, was he said that the foundation of the excellence of American society was in the strength and character and resilience of the women— Women used to be beasts.
They used to be monsters.
They used to be incredibly strong and incredibly able.
And they used to, you know, trust pigs and run farms and, you know, they used to just raise kids and strong educators and they used to be pillars of the community and founders of charities and they used to just have incredible influence in society and fantastic writers.
This is all they say.
Oh, you know, it's all so sexist against women.
It's like not in the fiction world because women's language skills are equal to if not superior to men themselves.
And therefore, women dominate in many ways in the writing world.
And that's all of the unfairness that there is in the world, right?
And so women in the West, they used to be incredible.
They used to just be fantastic.
They didn't used to be these neurotic, insecure, aggressive, manipulative, SSRI-addicted, antidepressant-chewing insomniacs of latent leftist feminist hostility.
This is like the new degraded Women.
As you're talking about the new degraded men.
The sociopaths in society view everyone as mere tools to their power.
Like, if you want to go cut down a tree, you pick up an axe, you don't think about the feelings of the axe.
You don't think about whether the axe wants to be part of this.
It's like, no, that's my tool.
I've got to cut down the tree, and I've got to cut down civilization.
And if the relationship between the gender has to go, well, that's, you know, I don't care.
I just cut down civilization.
I want power.
And I need to destabilize society in order to make people dependent upon my power and justify its expansion.
So we're literally just, we're livestock.
I've said this in the story of your enslavement and believe it even more strongly now than before.
We're just livestock.
The fact that women's happiness has gone down, every decade feminism has been implemented, that women are more miserable now than they've been since women's happiness was measured.
They don't care.
That's kind of the point.
Right.
And so turning people into this, and most people are helpless to resist propaganda.
That's why propaganda works.
Most people rely on people like you and I to guard.
You know, I can't go in and get rid of the common cold virus with a fork in my body.
I rely on my antibodies.
It's not a conscious process for me.
I just, go boys, do what you need to do.
And most people can't resist propaganda.
That's why propaganda is so effective and so tempting for people in power.
They rely on people like us to push back against it and make sure that these people are exposed.
But of course, as they're exposed, they're dangerous.
They're feral.
They're difficult and predatory.
And not us.
They're not us.
They're not part of us.
They're not part of civilization.
There was an old story about sociopaths in the Inuit, what used to be called the Eskimos.
And they'd say, oh, yeah, yeah, sometimes there's guys, they eat all the hunt.
They pretend that they're sick, and then they try and bang your wives when you go off hunting and stuff like that.
It's like, well, yeah, we've never figured out a way to fix them.
We just pushed them off a glacier at one point and just get on with our day.
You can't do anything to fix this.
And yeah, the not us-ness of these kinds of people is really, really important to understand.
And as far as, you know, what do you do to be a real man?
Well, first of all, check your testosterone levels.
You know, testosterone levels, as I talked about recently with Faith Goldie, have gone down like 50% since the Second World War, going down like one percentage point a year for men.
Really?
Yeah, check your testosterone levels.
I mean, it's important.
It's kind of one of the things that makes you a man.
And I don't know that the reason for this is...
She thinks it's soy.
Other people talk to plastic bottles or the water supply.
Or, you know, it could be that as women become more masculine, both as a result of being single moms and as a result of...
Birth control pills giving them different hormones and so on.
So check your testosterone levels.
You can't will what is hormonally deficient in your soul.
And men are going to have to be...
I'm sorry, you wanted to say something before I move on to the next point?
No, I was just going to say...
I mean, I don't know about all the plastic bottle stuff and, you know...
I guess Alex Jones would be a good resource for that.
It doesn't really matter in a way.
I mean, just get your levels checked for sure and, you know, look up and, you know, I guess people will...
Of course, if it was a woman's issue, it'd be all over the place, but because it's men, they're kind of disposable, then...
I was going to say earlier, when you were talking about the strength of women, I don't know if you know anything about the Mormon Church, but the Mormon pioneers, you read some stories about the women in those companies, and it is staggering.
It's amazing, the strength and the perseverance of those people, men and women alike, and the physical exertion that it took.
I guess we're fat and lazy.
People go home and they watch TV, video games, whatever it is.
You talk about how when you write books, you do it.
I don't know if this is exactly how you do it, but I guess you use Dragon or whatever that software is and bike as you do it.
That's great.
Okay.
Wow.
That's amazing.
I'm dying to find some place where I can look up and I could hike and write a book.
That would be fantastic.
I mean, I can't sit down in a little notebook or whatever.
But yeah, no, I mean, you've got to keep moving.
I haven't sat down to write a book in probably 15 years or 12 years for sure.
And I do the show standing, right, as everyone knows.
I mean, sitting is the new smoking.
And the other thing, too, is that, you know, as smoking has declined, smoking is a way of enhancing testosterone as well, which is one of the reasons why I'm sure it is addictive for people, so...
But yeah, check your testosterone levels.
I mean, I think, I'm no doctor, but I think that's a worthwhile thing to do if men are out there lacking motivation and so on.
But, you know, the story is, of course, Jesus, right?
I think that's the relevant one.
Jesus was a man, and Jesus sacrificed himself on the distrust of the world in order to save the soul of the planet, the souls of the planet.
And men have become very reasonable in the West, white men in particular, very reasonable.
And unfortunately, it doesn't work.
You guys have had 150 years to save Western civilization with your nice books and speeches and blog posts, and we're losing it hand over fist.
So it's time to stop being so nice.
It's time to pick up the tools of the enemy who've been winning and use it to fight back on their own terms.
And, of course, this is shocking and appalling to the people who apparently can't eat a cucumber unless the – can't eat cucumber sandwiches with any skin on the cucumber and they just need all the – don't rattle my china, you know, all the people who are like, oh, I hope that the horse that's thundering by at Ascot doesn't get any mud on my plus fours.
Manhood is – you achieve the objectives – Not even despite people's negative views of what you're doing, but sometimes even because, right?
But the new rights are willing to be in people's faces.
They're willing to use the tools that the leftists have used to win.
And they're willing to be difficult.
They're willing to, you know, sadly, we all hope that reason and evidence are going to win the day.
And we're told that, that society is founded on reason and evidence and it's sensible the way things work and people will listen to reason and evidence and so on.
But it turns out they just tell you that to propagandize you as children.
And when you grow up, you realize that reason and evidence does sweet fuck all for the most part in society.
It's a nice little thing to think about, and I hope that one day we'll have a society where reason and evidence hold sway.
But reason and evidence...
Does not hold sway.
Just look at the skeptic community and their views on race and IQ. Denial, denial, denial, obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate.
And when they finally lose the debate, they say, well, but let's say that it's true.
What does it matter?
How does it help?
It's like, oh, come on.
Oh, come on.
Oh, come on.
Right, well, I mean, that's...
I mean, what if the Christians had said, okay, sure, we accept the logical arguments, there's no God, but how does it help?
And they'd say, well, it doesn't matter what helps, it matters what's true.
But now it's race and IQ. Oh, it's got to be somehow mysteriously pragmatic and productive in a long way in ways I can't understand.
It's just, oh, it's ridiculous.
It's embarrassing to see people that staunchly in denial about such an essential issue and just bleating on about how, okay, well, maybe it's true, but what does it matter?
It's like, who are you to say what the fucking truth matters or not?
You're not the arbiter of what's true and what value.
Anyway, go on.
Sorry, you were saying?
Yeah, I was just going to say, I mean, that's what I encounter on any sort of...
Any sort of post on social media that I make is stating any of these viewpoints.
I mean, it's always met with first...
I said hate before, because the first thing that everyone says is, oh, you just hate such and such group.
And what that does, and this is the influence of the feminine mindset, which is to translate facts into emotions.
I think that there's some sort of rebuttal.
Impugning emotional motives to what I'm saying is not an argument, but I guess it feels compelling to some people.
Sure.
I've sort of realized that earlier on, back when I was in high school and...
I started waking up to all this stuff after I came home from my mission.
When you're gone, you're not thinking about that.
You're thinking about God 24-7.
When I got home, that's when I started waking up to it.
Before that, I would always...
I try to be really civil and be really nice.
And if someone didn't see my point of view, I would try to explain it to them logically.
And I still do that.
But now I've realized that there's really no hope for these leftists, generally.
And so I've made it my point just to make them look Yeah, it's become about branding now.
I mean, the left in general are losers, which is why they don't want fair rules, and it's why they want stuff for free, and it's why they use rage rather than reason, because they're losers, and they're low-quality people in general.
And like all low-quality people, they want to cheat, they want to manipulate, they don't want an honest competition, and they don't like objective rules.
And the funny thing is, too, people saying, oh, you just hate people, it's like, oh, yeah?
What about all the people who want white people dead?
What about all the people who say that white masculinity is toxic?
What about all the people who are talking about some hateful imaginary patriarchy?
I mean, that seems to me much more full of hate than anything I've ever heard from anyone not on the left.
But, yeah, it is, oh, I've translated your argument into emotions.
Oh, yeah.
Oh man, that's not even a civilization that's worth defending, not that you could possibly defend it anyway.
Yeah, and what you were saying before, I mean, and so the nice thing about whenever I post anything is that the comfort, I guess, to me is that the silent majority is always on my side because, I mean, if anyone's looking at my post or if anyone's reading it, I mean, it takes no courage to stand up and defend leftist talking points because they're the norm.
And it's what we've been taught our whole lives.
And so, I mean, I'll show them that, no, I actually don't hate these people.
And even if I did, it wouldn't really matter.
No, saying you don't hate, it's accepting the parameters of the argument.
But no, I never say that.
My emotional state is not an argument.
Oh, you just hate so-and-so.
It's like, well, you apparently hate arguments, and until you're willing to make one, I don't have anything to respond.
Like, falling into the trap of, well, I don't hate those people.
It's like, oh, come on.
Well, I don't...
What I should say is that I will...
I'll make a comment saying, well, I mean, how have you deduced that, that I do hate people?
Like, whether or not I do.
And it doesn't matter.
And then I'll, you know, talk about other points.
But it always...
It's like what you said.
It always devolves into, well...
Even if those stats are true or even if what you said is true, what does it matter?
It's this kind of nihilistic...
It matters because if group differences are not the fault of white people, then blaming white people for them is a horrendous injustice.
If saying that blacks underperform because of white racism is false because of the racial IQ difference...
Then blaming white racism is a horribly unjust, racist, vicious act against white people.
It's like saying that white racism is why Chinese people are short.
I mean, that is horribly racist.
If racism is bad, which it is, Then blaming white people for something they're not responsible for is horribly, horribly racist.
And gets people killed.
And fucking people think that it's not important to talk about.
What does it matter?
No!
You're a coward!
I get it!
You don't want to talk about this shit.
It makes you uncomfortable.
So, you know, pick up your fucking skirt and go elsewhere.
Yeah.
Sorry, that's an insult to people who wear skirts, a lot of whom are a lot tougher than that.
But I get it.
You're chicken.
You're chicken.
I get it.
It's scary.
I get it.
You don't want to do it.
But don't then say it's unimportant to try and rescue your semblance of courage.
Jesus.
What if white people were blaming black people for things that weren't their fault?
Would that be unimportant and not worth talking about?
Good Lord.
Right.
So yeah, I mean, sorry, guys, you're going to have to just stop being reasonable, stop being nice, stop making fun of yourself all the time, and stop rolling over.
Unfortunately, we live in a world these days, partly as a result of multiculturalism and partly as a result of leftism.
Assholes get their way, and nice guys finish last.
We have got back to that Darwinian...
Part of society that we spent hundreds of years, if not thousands of years, desperately trying to get away from.
We're right back there now.
Squeaky wheels get the grease, difficult people get their way, and assholes get to rule.
And I'm sorry, if you're going to be a nice guy, you're not only going to finish last, you're going to finish lost in history.
You're going to finish gone.
You're going to finish...
Extinct.
And so, no, you're going to have to, you know, I'm not talking violence or anything illegal, but you're going to just have to be difficult, and you're going to have to be aggressive, and you're going to have to be not so nice.
And that's going to result in some sacrifice, which is why I talked about the Jesus thing earlier, that that is going to require some sacrifice.
And there has become this hostility towards masculinity.
White males are the only thing that stand between the Marxists and their goal.
The leftists send their goal.
And of course, all this endless hatred and invective is going to be poured against white males.
And so, sorry, you're just going to have to embrace your gender, you're going to have to embrace your ethnicity, and you're going to have to be proud of what you can bring to the world, at least as proud as everyone else.
So I would say that...
No one's coming to save you, and you are in the only last permissible group to hate in the world.
And because people are very tense, and a lot of people need someone to hate, you, I'm afraid, have become the targeted laser group of hatred for a variety of historical reasons that are not your fault at all.
It's horrible, it's unjust, it's wrong, and being nice about it isn't going to solve it.
Well, I think, too, it's difficult for...
For Christians, and especially—well, I don't know about especially Mormons, but in the Church, I mean, it seems like there's this attitude that— It's all turn the other cheek.
I get it.
Right.
Well, I mean— It's all forgiveness and let's take the high ground and turn the other cheek.
It's emasculation, because too many women have taken over the mindset, and women are not good at patrolling the perimeters of the tribe, as I've talked about before.
Women have wonderful strengths and abilities— But recognizing external threats is not one of them for a variety of reasons I've talked about before.
But no, there's an eye for an eye stuff, which is a pretty important part of Christianity.
And this muscular, tough Christianity that really was the norm, the standard in the 19th century is something that—it's all become this Unitarian, feel-good, nature-hugging bullshit.
And the world is a tough place.
And if you don't stand up for yourself, you're going to get plowed under.
Right.
I was going to say that niceness has become, I mean, it's not talked about doctrinally, but I mean, it's become this supposed Christ-like virtue.
But I mean, the more I've been thinking about it, niceness, like Christ was, from what we read, he was kind to those who were humble and who wanted...
You whip the money changers.
Exactly.
No, if you ever want to know who the livestock are in society, there's one very simple test.
Mm-hmm.
And if you ever get angry and people are shocked and appalled and try and put you right back in the box, that tells you immediately, as sure as a brand on your chest, as surely as leg irons on your legs, that you are part of the livestock, that you are part of the subjugated and the exploited.
And if you're not allowed to get angry, that really is the very best reason to get angry that I can think of.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, I mean, a black guy gets angry about his history?
Sure.
About the present.
People are like, yeah, well, listen to that.
Women get angry about it, and people get angry, but, ooh, white males get angry.
Oh, KKK, right?
I mean, this is the one, you know, that's the old saying, if you ever want to know who rules over you, look at who you're not allowed to criticize.
But if you ever want to know who the subjugated class is, look at who's not allowed to get angry.
So, okay, I'm going to close things off there.
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