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3518 She Told Me She Couldn’t Get Pregnant - Call In Show - November 28th, 2016
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Hi everybody, Stefan Molyneux from Free Domain Radio.
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So, you know, to be honest, sometimes we book callers because they bring fantastic topics to the conversation.
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Alright, well up first today we have Randy.
Randy wrote into the show and said, After being told by a woman that she couldn't get pregnant, she...
got pregnant.
To make matters worse, she's 35 years old, we've only known each other for a month, she went on progesterone, and she is deciding to keep the pregnancy going despite not being in a committed relationship.
Needless to say, I'm concerned with the child's well-being once it is born if she raises the child as a single parent.
I would like to speak to Stefan to get his perspective on what I should do.
Should I bite the bullet for the child's sake and embark on a relationship with a woman I don't really know, who lied and manipulated her way into a pregnancy?
Or should I break off the possibility of a relationship out of respect for myself and submit to being single parents to a child and hope for the best with regards to the child's well-being?
That's from Randy.
Oh, hey, Randy.
It's unfortunate that your name is also the vice that got you here, right?
Well, thanks for the humor.
Out of the situation.
You might need some.
Okay.
Do you want to sort of shed more light on the sort of circumstances that occurred?
Yes.
You know what?
I'll take it chronologically.
So I met this woman and we hung out once and nothing happened.
There was chemistry.
We definitely got along.
We communicate very well and But we decided after the first meeting that let's just be friends.
And I said I wasn't really interested in her pursuing a relationship.
And she said, well, okay, let's still be friends.
And I said, yeah, sure.
And so the next time, a few days later, she invited me over.
And I showed up and all she was wearing was a towel.
And I walked in.
You know, as friends do.
Right.
Yes, exactly.
And those types of friends.
And so I walk in and all she's wearing is a towel and she takes the towel off and she walks by me and she says the hot tub's ready.
And so we get into the hot tub naked and We kind of left off from the first meeting.
Nothing happened in the hot tub, nothing sexual.
What?
We just talked and we got along really well.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Yeah.
Hang on, hang on.
She says hang over, like come over as a friend.
Yeah.
She's naked.
Right.
Invites you into a hot tub.
You get naked, you get into the hot tub, and you chat.
Have you never read a penthouse letter in your life?
I'm just sitting.
Go on.
There was some sensual stuff going on, but there was nothing sexual at that moment until we got out of the hot tub and we went to her room and things happened.
And from there on...
Every weekend I go over to her place and we hang out and we have sex a lot.
And I'm always the one saying, you know, are you sure you can't get pregnant?
You can't get pregnant, right?
Like just this kind of interrogation.
And then she says, oh yeah, I got blood work done.
This is a few weeks later.
She says, oh, I got blood work done, by the way.
And I said, well, when did the results come in?
And she's like, today.
And I'm pregnant.
What does that mean, blood work like?
Well, for pregnancy.
Why would she be getting blood work for pregnancy if she can't get pregnant?
Well, she started getting very nauseous.
And yeah, so...
Tender breasts, whatever it is.
Yeah, that's the big one right there.
Tender breasts, for sure.
Yeah, she complains about that all the time.
So...
It's nature's way of saying these were yours, and now they're not.
All right?
Yeah.
Now, I'm going to obviously assume that you didn't wear any protection, right?
No, I did not.
Because you were told that she couldn't get pregnant, and...
And magically, STDs can pass from her to you?
What was the thinking here?
Well, first of all, she said she had polycystic ovarian syndrome and she couldn't get pregnant.
And so now she wants to keep the baby because she thinks it's a miracle baby.
About the STDs, I get tested.
We both got tested pretty recently.
All right.
All right.
Now, of course, you don't have any independent verification of this polycystic ovarian syndrome, right?
I didn't know anything about it.
No, but you don't know if she's actually had it.
That's right.
I'm going off her word.
Sure, sure, sure.
So it's a miracle baby.
What's your income like?
I have a very good income.
I have a very good job.
Of course you do.
Yeah.
How did I know?
Why did I ask that question, do you think, Randy?
Because in the few hours me and the girl got to know each other, she asked me about myself and asked me what I do and things I have going on in my life.
So you have money and she knows that if she gets pregnant, she gets your money, right?
Yeah, that's my worry.
And she's tried to tell me that she doesn't need anything financially.
But I mean, she's lied already about not being able to get pregnant or stuff like that.
So I'm kind of like, well, what else is there going to be?
What's the next?
Well, I mean, okay, sort of taking this a step at a time.
We don't know.
Or at least I don't know.
Maybe you have information I don't have.
But there's no proof that she lied, right?
I mean, she could have been told by the doctor, you can't get pregnant.
Right.
Right?
So, you'd have to sit down with her doctor, I don't know, go over the diagnosis or whatever.
Now, he may have said your chances of getting pregnant are very, very low.
Or she just...
When you showed up at her place and she was wearing only a towel, Randy, did she already know about your income?
She knew what I did, yes.
She doesn't know, just so I'm clear, she doesn't know my income, but she does know what I do and those kind of...
And you ain't a waiter.
Right.
Don't have to tell me what you do.
I'm just going to assume that it is an occupation somewhat associated with a decent income, right?
Correct.
Right.
So you meet her.
She finds out you have a lot of money, she seduces you, and now she's pregnant.
Right, yeah.
Right.
Now, all of this may be somewhat innocent.
I mean, we don't know.
I mean, we don't know for sure, right?
Right.
And I imagine you won't know for sure.
Right, yeah.
I don't know if...
I don't know if she was telling the truth or not.
I don't know.
Well, yeah.
Now, of course, if she ends up not wanting any money, then at least we'll know that it was not a financial motive, right?
Yeah.
No, that's a good point.
Yeah.
But, you know, it's sort of one thing to say...
At the, in the moment, oh, I'll be fine, right?
When the bills start to pile up and your work diminishes because you've got to raise a baby and all that kind of stuff, then that is a, well, it may be a different, it may be a different matter.
You know, she may have good intentions now is what I'm saying, but it may change over time, right?
Understood, yeah.
Right.
Alright, so let's see.
I'm just looking at polycystic ovarian syndrome.
Not all women with this syndrome have difficulty becoming pregnant.
Yeah, which is interesting because since this whole thing happened, I've mentioned this to my dad, and apparently my aunt has it, and she had two children in her 30s, and the doctors for years told her that she couldn't get pregnant because she had this...
Well, see, here's the thing.
It's that, again, I'm no doctor, obviously, but if the only information she had is that she has this syndrome, then it is, you know, I'm just looking on Wiki, right?
And it says, well, no, you can get pregnant with this syndrome.
Yeah, and I wish I would have known...
I wish I would have known that beforehand, but before I have sex with a woman, I'm not going to go through all the conditions that make it hard for a woman to get pregnant.
Well, I mean, that's why protection is an important thing for a man to figure out, right?
Yeah, well, I'm learning the hard way now.
Yes, indeed.
Yes, indeed.
What is her income?
You don't have to tell me what she does, of course, but what is her income, her life, her prospects like?
So she's 35 and so the clock is ticking.
She does not have any children.
However, she spent over a decade raising somebody else's children in a long-term relationship, so she has experience raising children, two boys.
She's a solid woman.
Lots of personal growth.
From what I gather, I've had to really get to know her really quick over the past six weeks for obvious reasons.
Because I want to know who's carrying my baby now, right?
I want to know what her gene pool is like, what her thoughts are like, and what she's like as a human being.
And that puts a little bit of stress on it because we've got to fast track everything now.
To know what I'm dealing with.
She's a good woman.
She's got a good heart.
I say that with an asterisk after how she went about doing this.
Good, solid income.
Considering where we live, that income could be a lot higher if things change within the local economy, which is the income she's used to.
And like I said, we communicate very well.
But at the same time, like I said, I've got to put an asterisk beside everything I'm saying because, well, I've only known her for six weeks.
And how long after you matched did you think she got pregnant?
Four weeks.
Right.
Do you think that she was dating anyone else?
I don't think so.
Her and I have, from what I know, her and I have gone through, like I said, a lot of personal growth in the last, from what it sounds like, the last few years.
So I think we were both very single.
Right, right, okay.
And do you know...
What the story was with this, you said a 10-year relationship where she raised two little boys that weren't hers?
Yeah, yeah.
So a mother died and she met up with a single father and the single father wanted her to be kind of like the mother, play that role and be the stay-at-home wife.
So she played that role.
So did she spend 10 years staying home and raising his children?
Yeah.
I don't know if it was 10 years.
I know that they were together for over 10 years.
She had a very good job and a very good income for quite a few of those years.
So she wasn't home?
Not the whole...
Time, but there was a three to four-year period where she was home all the time.
And why did they not stay together?
They weren't married, I assume, right?
No, they were not married.
From what I've understood in my conversations with her, he was very abusive emotionally, verbally.
Lots of put-downs.
Nothing physical.
I can tell just by talking to her.
Sometimes she has a hard time opening up with me because she's afraid.
Not the legs, but the heart, right?
Yeah, really.
I really appreciate the humor, by the way.
Yeah, she has a hard time opening up emotionally sometimes.
Sometimes she's an emotional basket case when she's talking about her feelings because of the communication that her and her ex had.
What do you mean a basket case?
What does that look like?
How would you know?
How would I know if I was sort of watching this?
Just, I mean, you know, when her and I are in an intimate setting and we're getting close to each other and she's telling me how she feels about me, she has a hard time with that.
No, I get that.
What does that look like?
How do you know?
She cries and she says, you know, I'm just having a hard time telling you how I feel about you.
I don't want to scare you away.
She says, I really like you and I want to be with you.
So that sort of thing, all the while crying.
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
You ever been with a woman like this before?
Like, she's telling you that she likes you and she's, like, crying?
Yes, yes.
Yes, I have.
I've been...
You make women cry!
Why?
Why?
Anyway, go on.
Yeah, really.
Now it's my turn.
Yeah, I was with...
I've been with...
Yeah, my first ever girlfriend was like that, when she would, you know, try to tell me how she felt about me and...
Didn't want to scare me away and she would cry.
There was another woman I was dating too and this one woman in particular was extremely, extremely attractive in my opinion.
I thought she was very good looking.
She was a single mom and she would She would just start crying, and when me and her would talk about having children, she would cry and say, you know, I just don't want to be that woman with multiple kids from multiple dads.
A little late for that, but all right.
Yeah.
You know, I don't jump out of a plane and say, well, I don't want to be that guy who jumps out of a plane.
It's like, uh, that's before you jump out.
Okay.
Right.
And was your mom emotional in this kind of way?
Oh boy.
Where do I start?
Yeah, my mom couldn't handle any kind of stress.
I don't know if it's a threat, but when you come home from work and You tell your kids that they're going to put you in a hospital because they're driving you crazy.
Stuff like that.
Your mother would say that she was going to put you in a hospital?
No, my mother would say that me and my brother were going to put her in a hospital because we were so...
I don't know.
We were kids.
We were wild.
She couldn't handle it, right?
What couldn't she handle?
She couldn't handle two young boys that didn't...
So I've watched a lot of your videos, so I think I know what you're talking about.
So she couldn't handle two young boys without a male role model or a father around.
And when did your parents get divorced?
They broke up when I was five, and...
They probably officially divorced probably when I was around 15.
Isn't that interesting?
10 years just like your girlfriend.
Yeah, really.
And was your dad around?
My dad was around, but he wasn't present.
Meaning...
He was an hour away.
So I could pick up the phone and always call him and talk to him, and we would hang out every other weekend, but he was not there in the house, under the roof, or down the street.
Oh, no, no, no, I get that.
I mean, they were divorced, right?
So he moved out.
Yeah.
No, what I mean is, so why was he an hour away?
Why not move closer if you're that close anyway?
Because of his job.
Well, no, no.
The job, unless he was a medieval serf chained to some machine, it's his choice about his job, right?
You can get new jobs, you can switch, you can change, you can move, right?
Yep.
And did your mother date after your father moved out?
Yes.
Took a while, but she got back into the dating scene.
And how did that go?
For her or for me or my brother?
For her, it went well.
I mean, she's remarried now.
She has another child.
And now, pretty steady, very good marriage, good strong bond.
I give the guy that she's with now, her new husband, a lot of respect just because of the life he's lived and the changes he's made throughout his life.
What is the life that he's lived?
What do you mean?
Athletically...
What fresh hell is this, Randy?
Athletically, he was very successful, but the athletic side...
He had to be violent in his sport, and he had a hard time turning it off in reality, and so he was pretty violent and intimidating.
You mean with you guys?
Well, yeah, he was tough with us.
I was intimidated by him, yeah.
I was afraid of getting him angry.
You know, he never hit me.
No man has ever hit me or touched me in an aggressive or sexual or threatening way.
But just the tone of voice, the...
How did you know, sorry to interrupt, but how did you know he was violent then?
Because from what I've heard about him, I've seen him play his sport.
And, you know, tough guy.
So he wasn't violent with your mom?
No, no.
Very protective.
Very, very protective.
And not verbally abusive.
So he was not abusive or hostile with your mom?
No.
Okay.
Absolutely not.
But you were scared of him?
Yes.
And when did he start hanging around your mom and you guys?
How old were you?
I was probably around 11 or 12.
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
And your parents, why did they get divorced?
At the time, as I was growing up, I understood that my dad was sleeping around.
What do you mean you understood?
Did you get that from a Ouija board?
Did someone tell you?
Family members would tell me.
My mom would tell me.
Oh, your mom told you that the reason you got divorced was that your father was sleeping around?
Right.
The reason she got divorced.
That's appropriate.
Please understand that my dad left.
He wanted to be with other women.
How should I put this?
It's my understanding now that he left to be with other women.
But knowing what I know from my mom, it wouldn't surprise me that he left because he couldn't handle her.
And what about her could he not handle?
She's a product of...
An emotionally absent father who was a pilot.
So he's always on the road.
He's never home.
And my grandmother was an alcoholic.
So, yeah.
And that's causal.
So there was nothing she could have done about it?
No way she could have changed?
Yeah.
Well, this is just it, right?
I mean, you know, a lot of the things that I'm I'm talking about...
I look at it through the lens of what I've seen through your videos.
And no, she never went to go get help.
She never went seeked counseling.
The only time she ever went to counseling was when I was in counseling and I said, you should come.
And yeah.
Right, and I just...
The victim mentality.
Well, the victim is hard to play unless people give it to you, right?
You can't play the victim.
And men know this, right?
You try crying if you're upset and people are like, ooh, right?
No white nights for the men, folk.
But no, I just, look, I could have every excuse in the world to be a terrible person.
Every excuse in the world growing up.
I could give myself permission to be a terrible person And everyone could say, yeah, yeah, well, but look at his childhood and this and that, right?
Understood, yeah.
So, I don't give myself that permission.
See, to use an abusive history as an excuse is to reinflict that abuse on others.
Inevitably.
Inevitably.
And I don't buy it for a second.
I don't buy it for a second.
If you know how dysfunctional abuse is, Then of course you don't do it.
Of course you don't accept that as a cause for you to indulge yourself that way.
I mean, that's the one thing you would know for sure.
Like if you grow up seeing an alcoholic, don't drink.
You know what it looks like.
You know how it seems.
You know the results.
Right.
You don't do it.
Like you see your father smoking four packs a day and dying of lung cancer at 50.
You're like, well, I'm really not going to smoke now, am I? Because I've seen what happens.
Right.
So for me, people who come from dysfunctional histories...
Have, in a way, less excuse than the muggles, so to speak, right?
Less excuse than the people who didn't.
Because they've seen what it's like.
They know exactly how destructive that kind of behavior is.
Right.
And Stefan, I should be clear.
My mother comes from the, you know, her father.
My grandfather was a pilot.
He was on the road all the time.
He was never at home.
And my grandmother was an alcoholic.
My mom doesn't really drink, but you can see, you know, if you've spent some time with her, you can sense the scars, the emotional scars deep, deep, deep inside.
Where my father comes from an environment where my grandfather on my dad's side is extremely, extremely controlling and very manipulative.
My nana on my dad's side is an angel.
She's got a halo over her head.
But my dad, as he's gotten older and gone through life, he knows what he did was wrong.
And he can recognize it, and he goes to the counseling, and he gets help, and he's changed a lot.
And how do I know this?
Well, I have a sister.
He has a daughter with another woman, and this girl, this young woman, really is A class act.
And what she's doing with her life now is unbelievable.
And I kind of have to assume that's a bit of a testament to my father and his changes.
So I'm going to give you a mental image here.
This is my mental image.
It's not your life, not any definition of you.
I'm just going to share.
The mother has a hole in her chest.
And out of the hole in her chest, her blood is pouring.
But rather than go to the hospital, she takes her son's face and pushes it into the wound to staunch the bleeding.
And that son then grows up as a band-aid To emotional overreactions on the part of women.
Yes.
That women who don't manage their own emotions, who overspill, whose cup of feelings runneth over, that you are there with a mop and a bucket and a fix-it-upper.
Yes.
And women blurp!
You know, you've heard this on this show when people just open their mouth and blurp!
Here's my big wriggling, half-dead carp of experience and history wriggling on the table and good luck hitting it with a rolling pin, right?
And so, if I had to guess, and particularly struck by your mom saying, you kids are going to put me in the hospital or whatever, right?
Well, that's saying basically that you have to change your behavior because your mom is upset.
And people who are unable to control their own feelings or manage their own feelings always end up having to control other people.
You must change because I am upset.
You must alter your behavior because I am upset.
Your freedom ends where my feels begin.
Understood, yeah.
No, you're right.
Was that at all the history with your dating life prior to this?
Yeah, yeah.
Stefan, get this, eh?
Check this out.
A lot of these women that I get involved with, if they're very emotional very quickly, emotionally I run.
I feel like I run away.
I'm like, well, that's a red flag.
Get out of there.
But physically, I stick around for the physical stuff.
She needs something.
She needs something, and I as a man must provide it.
She needs to be held.
She needs security.
She needs comfort.
I'm afraid of scaring you off, Randy.
I must reassure her that she's not going to scare me off.
I must reassure her that I'm here.
I'm going to stay because she's upset if I leave and she really likes me, but she doesn't want to scare me off.
That's programming you to stay with no sense of self-preservation.
Right.
The need of the woman, the need of the woman, the need of the woman.
Yeah.
It's a black hole.
It's quicksand.
It's...
Right?
And you're right.
And so just to add on a little bit here, what goes on in those situations is...
The emotional side, like I said, I run away, but I stay for the physical stuff.
But at the same time, I want to act like I want to be there for them.
I want to be at least a friend.
You stay for the physical stuff, but you want to stay to be a friend?
Well, which is it?
Unless you have orgies with your male friends that you haven't shared with me, and it's okay if you don't, then saying I want to stay there to be a friend and I stay for the sex does not compute, right?
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay, I'd be staying for the sex then.
And what...
If this woman you impregnated, we assume, if this woman were a man, what value...
Which she bring to you.
Uh...
Just a man.
Yeah, no, I'm...
Not a wingman, not a good-looking guy who can attract women, not a guy who makes you look smarter, just...
Understood.
No, um...
Good conversation, ideas, uh...
I know that those aren't necessarily virtues, but, uh...
We get along well.
We get along well, but I'm going to add again to what I was saying.
Of course you get along.
She needs and you provide.
Yeah.
She needs and you provide.
She needs emotional reassurance.
You're right there with emotional reassurance.
She needs sperm.
Here you go.
Here's a cup, honey.
Good luck, right?
I mean, she needs and you provide.
Of course you're getting along, because you're not there.
Because she's like, oh, I'm so emotional, and I want you to be here, but I'm afraid of sharing my feelings with you, and I don't want to scare you off, and cry, cry.
Good Lord, where are you in that?
Where's her focus on your feelings?
Yeah.
Has she had long conversations with you, probing and asking you how you are experiencing this massive change in your life?
Not, no.
If we were to compare it with how she's doing and how she's feeling, it's not even close.
We went to a counselor a few days ago, and you know what that's like.
The counselor's just going to tell me...
No, no.
Some can be good and some can be not good.
I don't know exactly what that was like with yours.
Okay, okay.
Mine was, you know...
Terrible.
If it was a female counselor she chose, then yes, I'm pretty sure I understand what it was like, but go on.
Okay.
You know, telling me, I don't have a choice.
I don't have any choices in this whole situation.
It's like, just put up and shut up.
You know, I mean, she could have said that.
The counselor could have said that.
And the message would have been loud and would have been the same.
It was still loud and clear.
Female in group preference is the physics of the modern Western world.
So how much time, Randy, has she spent trying to figure out how you're handling all of this and what you're thinking and feeling about all of this?
Not initiated by you, but how much time is she spending focusing on your experience of this change?
Not...
When we were with the counselor, she...
No, no, no.
Doesn't count.
Doesn't count.
Not very much.
How much?
Give me some time.
Days, hours, weeks, minutes, seconds, nanoseconds.
Okay, Stefan.
We hang out all weekend.
I go and spend time with her.
I go to her place.
I go to her city.
How...
Look, she told you she couldn't get pregnant.
Yeah.
Thus, implicitly encouraging you not to use birth control, right?
Yes.
So, she got pregnant while assuring you she could not get pregnant.
Right.
That is a huge change for you.
Now, she stands to gain a huge amount through this process.
Legally, as far as I understand it, I'm no lawyer, but legally...
She can go ahead with the pregnancy.
She can get child support from you.
She can do all of that.
So you have, and you have no say.
No say.
I know.
So she told you, I can't get pregnant, and then she got pregnant with your baby.
Has she spent no time trying to figure out how that makes you feel?
Not really, no.
No.
Well, that's an important piece of information, don't you think?
Yes.
And what do you think that might mean?
Oh, that's a red flag.
What do you think that might mean?
That she doesn't care?
Well, that's a bit of a broad statement.
I mean, if you left the country, she'd care, right?
I mean, so...
What does it mean...
That you're in this situation because she either lied or was just wrong in pretty much the most important thing that's going to happen to you as an adult.
You're in this situation because of what she said.
Okay, what does that mean?
Well, that means that I should be worried that it's going to happen again.
Where is her empathy and curiosity and concern for you?
Yeah.
Or is it all about her?
How she feels, what she's scared of, what she's excited about, what she's nervous about, how she doesn't want to feel, doesn't want to worry you, or how she's having trouble.
Is she just focusing on her own emotional experience?
Or is there any room for you as an emotional person, as an emotional being, who's in this situation because of your choice?
You didn't use protection, but you didn't use protection, partly just out of idiocy and partly You said you didn't want to be involved, and she basically pussy-bombed you, right?
Yes.
Right?
I mean, oh, oops, I guess my towel fell.
You know what I mean?
Like, I mean, that's...
It was a genetic sperm jack.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, yes, you can say no, but it's a challenge for men.
I mean, women know how men are wired, right?
Right.
And interestingly, to that point, to that point that you just said, the first time we hung out and we kept our clothes on, nothing happened.
We had a really good conversation and we, you know, we got along and talked about some of the things that the challenges we've been through in life and how we've changed over the years and where we want to be in five to ten years.
So, yeah.
I guess that's changed.
You're telling me.
So, how did she...
I mean, I don't know what you should do.
I'm still just trying to figure out what's going on.
But Randy, how did she get in?
What signals do you think you gave her that this could happen?
Well, she knows a little bit about my past.
And I... I don't say this in a braggadocious way, but I can...
In my past, I liked having a lot of women around.
You slept with a lot of women.
Is that what you're trying to tell me?
Yes.
So you were a man whore, a himbo, and you slept with a lot of women, right?
Yeah.
And this is something that you view as like a big plus, right?
At the time, yes.
But as I've gotten older, like I said, in the last couple of years, her and I have both changed a lot in that regard.
You know, banging a lot of women in the Victorian era or even in the 1950s was game because there were fathers around, fathers raising these women.
So you had higher quality women who were having menstruation later, who didn't have daddy issues, who weren't looking for, you know, a hairy dude to fill the hairy hole in their heart, right?
Right.
I will credit guys in an amoral sense for having game in the Victorian era in the 1950s with shotgun marriages and all of that.
Sleeping with lots of women now?
It's about as tough as one rabbit banging another.
I mean, it's not game.
It's like saying, wow, I'm a great businessman because I found a lottery ticket that won, you know?
No, if you're a great businessman, you build a business.
But women now have been so plowed under by father absence and feminism and all of the leftist female vanity inflating bullshit that comes out of the mainstream media that...
Sleeping with women now?
I mean, not sleeping with women now is the smart move, is the cool move, is, you know, like, but so, oh, I slept with a lot of women.
It's like, well, yeah, there are, in fact, a lot of broken women out there.
I beat up a lot of half-dead hobos.
That does not make you Mike Tyson.
Understood.
Okay.
So you slept with a lot of women.
Yes.
And so you had some game, right?
And you know how to seduce a woman, and I guess she knows how to seduce a man, and so you were both...
What?
What were you looking for from her?
You didn't want a relationship with her.
Why not?
Was that game?
Were you playing hard to get?
I mean, what?
No.
She lives...
It would have been a long-distance relationship.
She's older than what I... What I wanted initially.
Just going by some of the education that you provide, I knew that she was a little bit broken.
You know, she's not close with any of her family, mother, father, sisters, you know.
Well, neither am I. That doesn't mean that you're broken.
That might mean that you're fixed, but go on.
Just the fact that she seems to have put up with a lot of crap from guys in her past, and she doesn't call it quits when somebody is disrespectful, you know?
How many boyfriends has she had?
From what I know...
Probably three or four.
Two that I know of, like I know their names, and I've heard all about them.
But she was in a verbally abusive relationship for over 10 years, right?
Yes.
A verbally abusive relationship for over 10 years.
Raising this guy's kids, right?
Being the mom, providing the feminine energy, you know?
I don't know if being verbally abused is feminine energy.
She was providing the verbal punching bag for this sadist, right?
Right, yes.
In front of his kids?
Yes.
And now, the kids, I assume, bonded with her?
Yes.
And now she's gone?
Right.
And you, who grew up with a distant father, now may reproduce that role, right?
And yes, and this is why I'm calling, is I, you know, I don't want to be, I want to be present.
You know, yesterday I watched your show on Single Mothers, and it just bothers me that I don't want to be a distant father, right?
It goes back to what you were saying about You know, if your parent's an alcoholic and they smoke four packs of cigarettes a day, you shouldn't go and start smoking and drinking, right?
So I've seen how my dad was, and I want to be more present emotionally and physically, right?
Yes, but Randy, here's the barrier, in my humble opinion.
It's all just my opinion.
Did either of your parents tell you Just stop fucking around.
You're in your 30s, right?
And not early 30s.
So, when did your parents ever say, put your dick away, douchebag, you're not 17 anymore, find a good woman, settle down, this is going to be bad for you, it's giving you the wrong habits, you're putting out the wrong signals.
When did anybody sit you down and say, you know, it's not just women who have a clock as well.
And it's not just women who get damaged by promiscuity.
It's men as well.
So was there anyone in your life, and I would assume it would be the parents' role, to say, okay, so you can dip your wick in a broken candle that does not make you Superman.
And you've got to stop trawling these low-rent women and start building a case within your own heart and your life for a quality woman to find you attractive.
This trawling the bottom depths of broken femininity is an unworthy pursuit of any decent man.
Yeah.
You can find hysterical, broken, desperate women to sleep with you.
Ooh.
What a hero, right?
I mean, did anyone ever bring that up with you?
Yes.
Good.
Okay, good.
Tell me what happened.
Some of my very good friends had mentioned, you know, because of my age.
And like I said, over the last couple years, I've kind of wanted to find somebody, right?
Because my past, I feel like it was so ingrained that I just kept repeating stupid patterns and I kept doing it and doing it and I kept saying, yeah, I want to change, I want to change.
And I think, I definitely know that I repulsed some very, very good, classy women.
I know that.
How so?
Because they've known some of my past.
They know the types of women that I've been with, right?
Yeah, but to go back to your question, yes, friends had mentioned, gotta stop.
Yeah, so.
Right.
And your father?
He, uh...
He never said, no, there was never any mention of, you've got to stop, you're not going to meet a quality woman behaving like this.
But didn't he lose a marriage because he wanted to sleep around?
Yes.
So, you told me earlier.
Yeah.
This sounds accusatory, but I don't mean it that way.
No, it's okay.
But Randy, you told me earlier that your father had wised up.
You had a great half-sister.
He'd learned from his mistakes.
He'd figured things out.
But didn't he lose a family?
Yes.
Through promiscuity?
Yes.
Or the desire for it?
Yes.
So he knows how bad promiscuity is.
Yes.
So why wouldn't he sit you down and say, dude, You know, spearfishing this offal is not being a great fisherman.
No, you're right.
So why?
Why wouldn't he tell you?
If my daughter is wandering towards traffic, why wouldn't he say something?
Stefan, maybe this will shed some light on it.
Because he wasn't around emotionally, he might feel like He always wants to be your buddy.
Right.
So be your buddy and tell you to stop screwing around and settle down.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You are an excuse machine for people around you.
And I'm sorry to put it so bluntly.
And you'll hear that.
I hope you'll listen back to this conversation.
Every time I come up with something that is unpleasant, you start spewing out excuses left, right, and center.
You excuse things away.
For other people.
Are you talking for other people?
For other people.
Okay.
Who in your life, Randy, has focused on what you feel, on what you think, on your needs, on your preferences, on your desires, and how to achieve them?
Me?
Nope.
Okay.
No, because if you had, you'd have sat down with yourself and said, well, you know, I'm getting to be in my mid-30s.
I'm really not getting anyplace good.
Okay.
You know what?
Some of these good, classy women that I missed out on would...
They would tell me, you know, you're a good guy.
I really like you.
But I'm worried that your past and the things that you've done in your past are going to come back and influence you again.
What did they mean by that?
That you would not be faithful to them because you're a hound dog?
Yes.
Right.
They didn't trust me.
Right.
Right.
And when was the first time that happened?
When I was in my late 20s.
Right, so a little over half a decade ago, a woman said, a quality woman, you say, said, you're not a man who can be trusted by a quality woman.
And what did you do with that?
I kept...
I kept behaving the way I was.
I'd been in counseling a few times for this specific reason, but I, up until, yeah, up until...
You mean promiscuity?
Is that what you mean with this particular reason?
Yeah, yeah.
Right, okay.
Up until the last year or two, I would always go back to old ways.
Do you mean like booty called through the black book kind of thing?
Yeah, booty call, you know, go to a club, meet somebody, online, yeah.
Oh, so it wasn't women you'd had sex with before that you were getting in with?
Right.
You're just trawling bar trash and online trash and father reject stuff, right?
Yes.
Right.
And what do you think about that now?
What do I think about it now?
What it's cost you.
Yeah, no, Stefan, you're totally right.
I hate saying this word, but I kind of regret it.
Why do you hate saying that word?
It seems like something worth regretting.
I don't have any regrets.
I mean, it is...
And why I couldn't...
It led you here, right?
If you hadn't been trawling the bar trash, then you wouldn't be here.
If you'd changed in your 20s to restrain...
Your wanderlust penis, right?
To stop being dicknapped by every piece of available coups that sachets past your eyeballs, then you wouldn't be in this situation right now.
Right.
This is the end road of this, right?
Yes.
So, given that where you're in is a very risky situation.
Yeah, I know.
This is, you know, it's interesting.
What's interesting is...
No, no, no, no.
Regret.
Regret.
Let's get back to that.
I don't know if it's fucking interesting.
Okay.
Regret.
Okay.
You say it's an odd thing to say.
Why?
Why is it odd to say?
Because I don't like...
Because past mistakes and failures have led themselves to great learning lessons, but this is a lesson that is...
No, this learning lesson involves another human being who needs a father.
This isn't something for you to get your holistic groove on and move to the next plateau of experience, right?
No, and I don't want to do that.
I want to be there for the child.
That's my number one priority.
Okay.
Yeah.
This is the basic pendulum that you're not seeing yet.
Okay.
So I'll spell it out.
Okay.
And it's not because you're dumb.
You're a smart guy.
It's just, you know, we see everything in the mirror but ourselves sometimes, right?
Okay.
So here's the deal.
Okay.
You used women for sex.
Yes.
You used women for sex and now a woman is going to use you for money.
And that's what happens when you use people.
You become vulnerable to being used yourself.
If you use women as...
Deposits for semen, if you use them as holes to fill, if you use them for a sense of sexual prowess or physical release, if you use them as objects, as utilities for blue ball relief, if you use women as a utility, guess what?
One woman is going to look at you and say, all right, I'm going to use you as a utility, not for sex, but for resources.
Using people Opens you up to being used yourself.
Because rather than face the pain of having used women and damage to them, you instead can't fight back against being used.
Because once you say, well, it's really wrong that she might want to use me, that she might be untrustworthy, that she might want to use me for resources, then you say, well, it's wrong to use people.
But you know these women who you had sex with.
I'm not saying they're not moral agents, but they're not on the call with me right now.
The women you had sex with, you used them.
And you damaged them.
And you lowered their capacity to meet a good man.
Right?
Because the more partners a woman has, the less marriageable she is.
Sorry, it's a double standard, but that's the way we mammals work, right?
And we've got this chart which we've used a number of times before.
It's linear, dose dependent.
The more cocks, the less rocks.
The fewer diamonds on your wrist.
And the more sexual partners a woman has, the less likely she is to stay married.
It's in the truth about sex presentation.
So you satisfied your empty lust for low-quality women, thus making them even more low-quality, thus making them even more volatile, even more depressed, even more anxious, even more damaged.
You just went and spearfished them through the vagina, through the heart, damaging them for your lust, and now the player gets And that's the price of using people, is you can't see when you're going to get used.
And the fact that people around you, like, the reason I'm saying this is because I care about your heart.
I want you to have the happiness that is going to elude you.
Thank you.
Right?
I'm not saying this because I want to be mean, but because this is the stuff your dad should have said to you, or some damn person should have said to you.
Stop it.
This is an addiction.
It is damaging you.
It is damaging other people.
And if you use people, you're gonna get used.
And these women didn't have anything to offer except their pussies, right?
Yeah.
And you use them for their pussies.
You threw them on a pile, and other men threw them on a pile, and now no one's going to marry them.
No one's going to have babies with them.
No one's going to, right?
This lust has carved out this general underpopulation that's facing Western societies.
A bunch of men using a bunch of women for sex.
Yeah.
Those women become unmarriageable, unstable.
Like, you can handle it in a way much better than a woman can.
Yeah.
It's just how we're wired, right?
Men are promiscuous and women need a pair of commitment because they're the ones who haven't raised the children in general as we evolved.
You can handle it better than they can.
But it's sort of like if you don't go drinking And having shots contest with 12-year-olds, because 12-year-olds can't handle it, and you can.
And it's the same thing with promiscuity.
Men can handle it to some degree, although it leaves you open to this kind of emotional vulnerability, this blind spot about being used.
You can handle it.
Women can't!
They get smashed up and broken by promiscuity in a way that is not proportional to men.
So it's like you're out there doing shots with a 12-year-old without recognizing that your body can handle it The 12-year-olds can't.
Yeah.
And women's hearts cannot handle being used...
They call it the walk of shame.
You've heard this, right?
Yes.
Is there a walk of shame for men?
No.
There's the Mick Jagger strut of pride, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ah, got some!
Right?
And for her, it's the walk of shame.
Why is it called the walk of shame for women?
Because there's the double standard.
No.
Oh.
Because women should be doing that sort of stuff with people or men who want to commit with them.
Because me plus vagina is a giant negative.
If I have to offer a vagina to a guy to have him interested in me, I'm worthless.
I'm worse than worthless.
It's like if you can only get friends to hang out with you if you're buying everything.
Hey, coming out with me.
No.
I'll buy dinner.
Okay, fine.
Yeah.
It has to be you plus $1,000 of spending on your friends.
That means you are minus $1,000 worth of friendship to begin with because you've got to throw in $1,000 to get people to hang with you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if a woman has to drop the V-bomb on a guy just to get his attention, he doesn't like her and she knows it.
She knew when she was walking around in that towel that she needed the V-bomb because she didn't like her.
And you already told her you didn't like her that much because you said you didn't want to have sex with her.
Who do you have to be plus?
Me plus!
Me plus!
I talked all about this in the Robin Williams show.
Presentation.
What do you have to add to yourself to be of value?
Now for the woman to get a man's attention, you know, by flashing the vagina searchlight directly into his cum-bleeding eyeballs, she's saying, I have to stimulate His swinging dick lizard brain because I have nothing to offer him except sexual release.
I have nothing to offer him except a hole.
And that means in her personality, in her soul, in her heart, in her mind, she has nothing to offer him except a hole.
There's a horrible joke which says, what do you call the useless tissue that surrounds a vagina?
A woman!
It's a terrible joke.
But this is what, when a woman promotes her vagina front and center, sexual access front and center, she's saying, I have to do this with you because of the useless tissue that surrounds it, which I think is going to be me.
So she gives sex for you, she gives you sex, she blows you, she fucks you, whatever it is, right?
And then, and then she has to try and keep you.
Well, she's going to throw more sex at you, and then she's going to sob, and then she's going to say, I'm going to drive you away, and I'm not that nice, I'm not that likable a person.
Here's more sex!
Will you stay now?
I'm really not that, I just, I don't have much to evaluate.
Here's more sex!
Well, that can sustain, right?
Right.
And that's the price of being a player, is you get played, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And you got played big.
Yeah.
And it's not, it's not, again, I have my suspicions, but I don't know the truth.
You don't know the truth about this cyst syndrome or whatever, right?
She could be pregnant or not.
But the reality is she's not focusing on you.
You are a utility to her.
You are not an individual human being with your own thoughts, processes, emotions, needs, preferences, and experience.
Your life just got ripped six ways from Sunday, right?
Yes.
This is on your mind 24-7.
Nothing else.
I mean, this is it.
I mean, you are going to be a father.
I know.
I mean, this is the biggest change you had Since being born.
Yes.
Agreed.
Going from the inning to the outie, and now you're going to have a baby.
You're going to be a father.
And what is that going to do to you screwing around?
What is that going to do to your finances, to your time commitment, to your decisions, to your resource allocation, to your professional opportunities?
Everything.
Yeah.
Everything.
Everything.
And she hasn't asked you one goddamn thing.
About the situation that her lies and your trust put you in.
Or her story, her...
I shouldn't say lies, that's begging the question.
Her statements and your belief in them put you in this situation.
If you don't have any experience, Randy, of anyone caring about what you think and feel, this is going of anyone caring about what you think and feel, this is going to be You are going to become, as most men do, I believe, around the world, a ghost of resource provision.
There to serve the mother of your child, there to serve your child, there to serve her family, there to serve their needs, there to serve, serve, serve, serve, like a...
Money-pumping, half-invisible slave with no needs of his own.
And if you get a son, that's what he's going to see.
And if you have a daughter, that's what she's going to expect.
If that's who you are, you need to start showing up to your own life, Randy.
You have a right, and it's hard to say this to men, because when we're providing resources, yeah, we get along great, sure.
You know, if you're a slave and you're doing good work and you never try to escape and you never cause any trouble, sure, we get along great.
The challenge to relationships is not when you're getting along well.
The challenge to relationships is when you have needs that conflict with the other person's preferences.
That's the only reason you need a relationship.
And you're so unused to Having opinions that differ from others, you're afraid even of the word regret, because having the word regret is saying, I now disagree with my history, with the choices I made half a decade ago or a decade ago.
Yeah.
You can't even assert your own needs against your historical choices.
So, with regards to this woman, Obsessing over the truth or falsehood of what she said, I don't know that that's going to lead you anywhere because you'll never know.
You'll never, I mean, you could get her entire medical record, whatever, I don't know, right?
But, I mean, there's ways you could say that.
You could say, look, if we end up together, what if we have another kid?
I need to know what the odds are, what the opportunities are.
Let's go sit down with your gynecologist.
Let's go sit down with your doctor.
Let's go over all of this stuff and figure out what the hell happened.
You sit down with the doctor and you say, well, she said she couldn't get pregnant.
The doctor says, well, I never said that.
Ooh, really?
Who knows, right?
I mean, there's ways you may be able to get information.
With her permission, of course, as far as I understand it, that's the way it would work.
But, yeah.
The fact that she's not asking you anything about your thoughts and needs, you know, it's funny because we're always told how empathetic women are, but all she's doing is focusing on her own thoughts and feelings and not at all on yours.
So where's all this fabled empathy that's supposed to be flowing out the treacly hearts of women?
All this empathy.
You know, I see them all over buying Hallmark cards and flowers and little balloons for people who are sick and baking pies and bringing them over.
But where is the curiosity, care, and concern for the lived experience, Of men's hearts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
People who aren't focusing on you are using you.
People who aren't listening to you are using you.
And you have, I think, a long history of having been used.
That's why I had that image of the mother with the wound and the boy's face in the wound.
So, if there's a way to connect with your girlfriend in a way that makes your feelings real to her, a lot of women have a lot of resistance to this.
You can watch a movie.
It's a great movie called The Red Pill by Cassie J. And in it, she's got a video diary as she's going through men's rights issues.
And you can see her struggling very nobly, struggling to recognize that men have needs that are inconvenient to others.
Yes.
Right?
Or aren't immediately convenient to others.
Right.
And this is a huge struggle in society as a whole.
You know, I've spoken at a men's rights conference or two, and it's hard for people, like society runs on the fact that men have no needs.
Yeah, draft us, we'll go fight.
Oh, put us down mines, we'll go dig up coal for women so they don't get cold at night.
Oh, electricity goes down, I'll go up and maybe get electrocuted in a storm.
Just to get the power up, because some lady needs to dry her hair.
You know, like, I mean, the whole society we have is based on women being this...
Sorry, based on men being these empty vessels, just like slaves serving the needs of others.
I watched a...
Fail Army.
No, it wasn't fail.
You know, these fail videos that seems to be about a third of the internet at times.
On YouTube.
Yeah, so watch Work Fails and see how many women are in those.
And so far, zero.
Oh, no, I think one woman fell over in an office chair, right?
But there's a reason why the vast majority of workplace fatalities, what is it, 94% are male.
Yes.
We're just, we're not used to having needs, we just serve the collective, we serve the Borg, we're like those fucking ants.
Or the bees, just go out and fight and, you know, serve the hive, or we just worker bees, or soldier bees, worker ants.
What a fantastic potential to become real to a woman because not many men even are aware of this, right?
I mean, before we talked about this today, is it fair to say that this was not something very vivid in your mind?
What do you mean?
Just the idea that you should have needs and people should care about what you think and feel and should be really interested in, you know, the fundamental words are not I love you that show you care about someone.
Anyone can say that.
The fundamental three words that say you care about something, it's not I love you, it's tell me more.
Oh, you feel this?
Tell me more.
Oh, you think this?
Tell me more.
Oh, you have this dream?
Tell me more.
How many times do you hear that in your life?
You have some thoughts, some impulse you mention, and someone sort of sits down, looks you in the eyeballs and says, tell me more.
Bad male robot having needs that go against the hive, that go against the gynocracy.
Bad male robot!
No!
And so, Stefan, when I do, so after this situation came up, You know, and I've told her, I said, I have needs of, I didn't say I have needs, but I don't want this child yet.
You know, why couldn't we be together for at least a year and then mutually decide that this is what we want to do?
When I told the counselor, I would like some choice.
And she said, no, you have no choice.
Right.
And she's right.
I mean, you have choice if she's going to respect your choice, but I'm telling you, she's having this baby.
Okay.
And legally, as far as I understand it, don't even tell me where you are, but legally, she can choose to end the pregnancy.
You can't.
Understood.
If she terminates the pregnancy against your wishes, that's perfectly fine.
If she continues the pregnancy against your wishes, that's perfectly fine legally.
If you terminate the pregnancy against her wishes, you go to jail for decades.
Yes.
Because it's a patriarchy, don't you know?
Fuck.
I'm not saying you should, obviously.
I'm just saying that's the law, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's going to have the baby because she's, I mean, as soon as she calls it the miracle baby, you don't back out of that.
I can't back out of that.
And what's her downside?
What is the negatives for her having this baby?
What's the problem for her?
I mean, she for sure is going to get the money either from you or from the government if she chooses not to work.
There's no negative financially, right?
She's got companionship.
She's got someone who's going to be around with her for the rest of her life.
Someone who society says can never leave her.
Husbands can leave.
Lord forbid.
It's not talking about voluntarism between adult children and their parents.
So what's the downside for her?
What's she got to look forward to if she doesn't have this baby?
Well, she could say, well, you know, maybe I'll give it a try with this guy and we'll try again in a year.
But her doctor, as she claims, already said she couldn't get pregnant.
This is the miracle baby.
She's not going to try and see if she can roll six sixes in a row with the next roll of the dice, right?
Right.
So if you want to be involved, then there's little choice but to try and make it work with her.
Yeah.
No, then that's what I'm thinking of because I don't want to be one of those drop-in dads that...
or just an ATM or anything.
I actually want to be...
I want to connect with this kid.
I want to lead them and guide them and...
I just want to be a good role model, you know?
I have this view that, you know, as a parent, it's hard for me to speak of parenthood because I'm not a parent, but If I unleash a child into the world whenever they move out, 18 or 20 years old, and if they take more than they contribute to society, then I did something wrong.
And I don't want that.
Right.
Yeah, I want to...
But I think it's important to...
I mean, I talked to a lawyer.
Make that investment.
And I don't mean talk to a lawyer in an adversarial kind of way.
Just understand the limitations of what you're facing.
Right?
You're not married.
No.
You have no, as far as I know, I don't know where you are, but just go to a lawyer and figure out what's going on.
You need to figure out your negotiating position.
If she holds all the cards, be aware of that.
Yes.
Right.
I mean, it's sort of like if you're like the least favorite employee and the guy's been trying to fire you and you go in and say, I quit.
Well, he's going to be like, bye.
Thank you for doing my job for me.
But if you're the employee that everybody loves and you're the foundation of the business, you go and say, I quit.
Well, you've got a lot of leverage.
So you can't negotiate without knowing your leverage and a lawyer will be able to step you through what is possible for you and what are the consequences.
She may be saying this now.
She's an emotional person.
She might change her mind.
You know, oh, I don't need anything.
You know, but...
You know, her friends, of course, her friends and her family should be sitting there saying, well, you need to sit down with this man and figure out what's going to happen because he didn't...
You told him this wasn't going to happen.
He made his decisions, foolishly, but he made his decisions.
And her parents and her friends and everyone should be...
But I assume they're all just letting it drift along and bump along, right?
Yeah.
Do you think I'm out of my mind to try to make things work with her?
Well, no.
Okay.
No, not if you want to be an involved father.
Yes.
Then you can't be an involved father if you don't make it work with her, right?
Right.
That's my...
You know what?
That's my top priority, right?
Even when she's pregnant, right?
These next...
Eight months, nine or seven months, seven or eight months, you know, I want to be there, you know, so.
Right.
So, but I think I would certainly go in there saying, look, I mean, You could say to her, I know how excited you are about this pregnancy, how unexpected and how wonderful this is for you.
But I need to be here emotionally as well.
Yes.
You need to recognize that I have strong, complicated, ambivalent feelings about all of this.
I do want to make a go of it.
I do want to be an available and present father to my child.
But right now, you're kind of looking at yourself only.
And I'm like this sperm donor ghost in the background with no feelings of my own.
I can't have that going forward.
We need to be as curious about each other and as open about each other and as involved with each other's thoughts and feelings as possible.
And right now, it's kind of a one-sided game.
It's you in a mirror.
I'm not there yet, and I need to be there so that I can be fully involved.
Because you, of course, want your children, your child, to grow up seeing two parents who are both interested and involved with each other, not one who's serving the needs of the other at the expense of himself.
So at the counseling, we want to go to couples counseling in order to fast-track this get-to-know-you period.
Yeah, see if you can get a guy that you choose.
Okay.
You know, you say to her, listen, you're choosing to keep the baby, which is great, but I'm going to choose the therapist.
Okay.
Someone who you feel comfortable with, because if she's in a phase of self-regard, I'm going to put this as nicely as possible, and it may be the case, if she's in a phase of self-regard, then she's going to choose unconsciously a therapist who agrees with her and not.
Is not open to your input, which sounds like the last therapist, which is why I said, right?
So, yeah, I'd phone around, I'd talk to a guy who's, and not some cuck, you know, not some limp-wristed, everything-for-the-woman, white-nighty dude, right?
But somebody who's, you know, got some, yeah, some balls and a spine.
Not to make you fight or anything, but just you need to be visible in the relationship.
With the therapist, as well as in the relationship with your girlfriend.
In fact, probably the therapist, the visibility with you and the therapy will probably help with regards to how visible you can be with...
With your girlfriend.
So, that would be my suggestion.
And I think that's a reasonable thing to say.
You're not going to choose Charles Manson or something and find some decent person, but you need to have a say in stuff.
And she's having a say in the baby, which is kind of a big say.
I think it's only fair that she give you the say.
Oh, I don't trust that you're going to...
No, no, no.
You trusted me to father your child, and you trusted me to be the father of your child, so you need to trust me on this, right?
Yeah, good point.
That's true.
Um...
There was something I was going to say.
Like I said at the start of the call, I'm not confrontational.
I'm rather diplomatic and I like talking things through and talking about challenges.
I'm not the type to be emotionally abusive or physically abusive either.
No, emotionally neglectful towards yourself for reasons I can thoroughly sympathize with.
I agree with you about that.
Like I said at the start of the call, we do get along and we communicate well, but you're right, it is very much.
Steph, correct me here if I'm wrong.
Shouldn't the focus be on her if she's pregnant?
And shouldn't the focus top priority be on the baby?
What do you mean, shouldn't the focus be on her?
Well, she's...
You're the father.
Yeah, but...
Why is it either or?
Does she not understand that...
It's sort of like you guys are partners now.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
I mean, if your partner's in business saying, well, shouldn't the profit of one person only be served?
It's like, no, together.
Okay.
Right?
You both need the pressure.
She needs to understand that focusing on you is not negative to her.
It's positive to her.
Yes.
Okay.
Because it builds the ties that bind that hopefully can keep you guys together as a jigsaw family for the future.
Her getting focused on you, it doesn't steal something from her.
It's not like you're in the desert and there's only one mouthful of water left and she's gonna give it to you and die of thirst.
You know, you focus on the other person to build the intimacy, the connection, the ties that bind, that weave you together as a family.
It's not a negative, it's a positive for her to focus on you.
Okay, okay.
And she is, because women are trained this way, for the most part.
Western women, for sure.
She's gonna have a gravity well to bring it back to her.
And you're just going to have to, you know, calmly and patiently just, nope, still here, still talking, right?
Let's still focus on me.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, because, and she's going to say, well, I don't feel comfortable just focusing on you.
It makes me feel weird, depending on how honest she's going to be.
It's like, well, yeah, that's how I feel when I'm going to focus on you.
So, you know, let's not, let's get used to it, right?
Yeah, true, true.
Yep.
Thank you, by the way.
I really appreciate it.
You're welcome.
I hope you'll keep us posted about how it does.
Yes, yes, I'll keep you posted.
I'll email Michael.
I don't know if there's a way to push you into the spotlight for all the knowledge that you share.
Thanks, Randy.
I appreciate your honesty and your openness.
Good luck bringing this thing in for a landing.
It'll be great if you do.
Thank you.
Alright, up next we've Brad.
Brad wrote in and said, It has been a while since I've heard Stefan talk about school and education, but when he has, it's been quite interesting and influential.
How is he currently facilitating the education of his daughter?
What have they tried?
What worked slash didn't work, etc.?
I have a 26-month-old son who I would like to home-educate, and since I'm met with stonewalling and naysayers at almost every turn, including from my wife, I would like to discuss his experiences and bounce some thoughts and ideas around.
Or, in the seemingly unlikely event that he has chosen to send his daughter to public schools, what drove him to that decision?
That's from Brad.
Right.
Hey Brad, how you doing?
I'm doing well, how are you?
I'm well, thanks.
Do you have kids, or is this more a future theoretical?
No, I have a 26-month-old son.
He turned two in September.
Right.
No, no public school, obviously.
I assumed as much, but...
Yeah, yeah.
No, there's no...
I mean, I can't conceive of that.
I mean, if they change the laws, I just move, so...
So, you know, I don't want to get too much into...
I mean, I'll mention her here and there and so on.
You know, it's her life and I want her to choose in the future how much she shares.
So, I... Private schools are a challenge because they have to follow the same curriculum.
So I think you kind of get better education in some ways in terms of the form, but the content is kind of the same in many ways.
So I think that's a challenge.
I know there's a whole unschooling thing as well, and I've heard various reports on it.
A lot of it's anecdotal.
I don't know if there have been many studies.
But I have found that...
Conversation is the primary education tool in my household, in our household, which is we simply have conversations about things and those conversations are wide ranging and they go deep or they just become goofy or whatever and there's a huge amount of information That you can get across just in a conversation.
You know, I mean, if you just look at the last caller, Randy, I mean, we got a lot of information back and forth just in a conversation.
So that to me, that's my sort of primary.
I mean, I'm interested in so many different things.
And, you know, if I interview someone cool on the show, which is just about everyone I interview, then, you know, I can share the information that I have gleaned, both in preparing for an interview and in executing the interview.
I can share all of that information and she'll ask lots of questions and all of that.
So for me, the primary thing is to have a meaningful conversation about Life, the world, and its contents.
And, you know, where I don't have any particular patients and things, you can always bring in a tutor to focus on particular things.
And so, you know, it's a bit of a patchwork, but it works, I think, really, really well.
And she's, you know, way ahead of schedule.
And it's really enjoying it.
And I think that's the important thing.
Yeah, that I mean, it kind of sounds you sort of you touched on a couple things, a couple questions that I had about unschooling and public versus private and I mean, it sounds like we have pretty similar ideas as to, you know, what's the best way to facilitate the education of children.
So I've read Dana Martin's book on unschooling and, you know, read some, you know, my experience is the same.
It's mostly anecdotal that it works really great for people, and I could see why.
I mean, If as a kid or as a child or any human really is interested in something, then they're more likely to want to learn it and probably learn it a lot more easily and more thoroughly than if they were sort of forced to do it at sort of random times.
So do you...
I guess...
I guess, you know, the whole reason why this is kind of coming up is because, you know, having a two-year-old son, it's not that we need to make a decision right away.
I mean, if we were to send him to school, it would be, you know, a few years from now.
But, you know, my wife's experience with public school was, I mean, I guess it's, you know...
She was pretty much the perfect student.
Well, of course, look, I mean, I'm sorry to interrupt and I'll just be very brief here, but yeah, of course girls like government schools because government schools have been designed for girls in many ways, right?
So it's sitting in rows and being nice and, you know, like all this kind of stuff.
Your son will go mad.
And you can just read Christina Hoffs' The War on Boys for more on this.
But the massive hysterical, hysterectomy-style feminization of early childhood is something that is...
It could do to your son what Alex Jones claims gets done to frogs in certain rivers.
So I'm just saying there is that challenge.
Yeah, so she...
I mean, it worked out well for her.
She's a very successful career as a lawyer and, you know, Ivy League schools and top ten law schools, all that stuff.
I mean, for me it was more just kind of doing whatever I could do to skate by and more interested in friends and You know, when I got out of school...
Because it was boring as hell for you, right?
Of course, yeah.
Yeah, it's boring as hell.
Whereas, you know, it's...
I mean, it's all based on nonsense, right?
It's all based on this idea that, you know, girls were having a crisis of self-confidence and girls just...
You know, because girls mature earlier than boys, but that which matures earlier generally ends up less complex.
You know, tadpoles mature earlier than children, but that doesn't mean that a tadpole can play patty cake with you.
So anyway, it's all a bunch of nonsense, and again, it's just...
IQ and gender and all that stuff not being understood promotes all of this kind of social engineering.
But yeah, it's become overly friendly to girls.
And I think in a way that is bad for them because it's overly adapted to girls, which means girls never think about compromising, right?
Because they don't have to.
And so this is why you get all these snowflakes out there who don't know how to deal.
Not that your wife's in this category, but...
In general, right, you get all these snowflakes out there who are unable to deal with contrary information because it's been so perfectly adapted to girls' immediate preferences and vanity that, and this not the schools, the media as a whole, that it's become, I think, a toxic environment for boys in particular, which is why they get nuked with these SSRIs so much.
Yeah, I was going to say that my son is already, you know, he's just so independent and always wanting to I'm a stay-at-home father, much due to your influence, so thank you for that.
But he's constantly just so independent, and I hear lots of reports and read a lot about how boys are much more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD and ADD and get all the There's prescriptions that go with that, and that's the last thing that I would want for my son.
And so I'm a little bit protective of him in that way against sending him to schools.
And I was going to say the...
And do you want him to see a male authority figure outside of you?
Of course, yes.
Right, and it's going to be estrogen fest, right?
I mean, it's going to be the vagina monologue echo chamber in his early childhood with...
With women teachers.
I mean, it's just because, you know, all male teachers who want to spend time must be pedophiles.
I mean, you know, try that with blacks.
Oh, if you're a black and you want to teach kids.
But of course, white males, you know, all are privilege and all.
So you don't want to put them in a situation where, and this could be true of private schools as well, where it's just some coven, right?
Some coven of estrogen privilege.
And, you know, it's fine.
Maybe it's good for the girls.
I don't know.
But, you know, a few nutsets flapping in the breeze somewhere in the vicinity is probably not the end of the world.
You know, girls aren't that, you know, women aren't that great at raising boys.
Like, I'm sorry, statistically, it's just a fact, which is why the sons of single moms tend to do so badly.
And, you know, I think the obverse is true.
I think I'm a good father to my daughter, but, you know, especially when she gets older, I mean...
Isn't, you know, going to be progressively less of value that I have to offer her in certain situations or certain experiences.
So, I can't teach her to be a woman and she can't, you know, my wife couldn't teach my son to be a man.
I mean, of course, right?
Yeah, I agree.
So, I guess kind of going back to how this all, like, why this is coming up for us now is, you know, it works so well for her and I have a different, you know, I had a different experience and while it wasn't Overly negative, it also wasn't very positive.
I mean, I feel like I could have spent those 12 plus years doing, you know, a lot more productive things in hindsight.
And, you know, I guess just sort of moving forward as he gets older and it kind of comes down to the line of what to do, you know, I'm trying to...
Having conversations about it usually ends up with, you know, No winner or loser just sort of stuck in the same place.
When you talk to people about home education, the first thing that comes up is always, as I'm sure in your experience too, is how are you going to socialize them?
Doing what I'm doing to you.
I'm socializing with you right now.
Why would I hide my child in my garage or something like that?
And then after that, it just comes down to wanting to make sure that they have the best teachers available.
And I'm wondering how you feel about the idea that it's more about facilitating the education of the child rather than being the child's educator.
So teaching the child how to educate themselves or encouraging that is more important than No, I don't particularly feel that way.
But I'm sorry, I was very rudely interrupted you with my enthusiasm.
Please go ahead.
Maybe I will if you get to finish your thought or sentence.
I apologize.
Go ahead.
No, I'm curious to get your feedback on that.
You know, obviously I'm here to teach him certain things, but when it comes to, say, when it comes to, like, a specific subject like, say, let's just say mathematics, I'm not...
Great at mathematics.
I'm sure I could relearn a lot of the stuff.
And when it comes to, you know, it would be providing him with the materials and helping him through it.
But in the end, he's kind of teaching himself.
And if, you know, like you said before, if there was a...
If we got stuck on something, hiring a tutor to come in and, you know, help guide him through it would be ideal.
Well, no.
I didn't say particularly stuck.
I just, you know, maybe stuff you're not interested in or whatever it is.
Sure.
Yeah.
That too.
So...
I guess you disagree with that.
Why?
I guess, why?
Well, no.
I mean, the children can't teach themselves because they don't know the scope of what is out there.
They know the womb, and then they know the boob, and then they know the bottle, and then they know the crib, and then they know the room, and then they know the house, and then they know the garden.
They don't know the world.
How do you even know how to measure what you're missing if there's not somebody out there more experienced who can bring to you the diversity of topics that you're not aware of?
Okay, yeah.
I mean, you sort of, you need to lure children to knowledge.
You don't just sort of put them in the middle of a field and say, go explore, right?
You say, well, here's this and here's that and you've got to get them to the field in the first place.
You lure them with knowledge and you don't just tell them to figure things out.
Like, you wouldn't tell them...
To figure out human relationships, right?
You would model good relationships with your spouse, with them and someone.
I was just chatting with my daughter today about...
God, we spent like an hour and a half chatting about friends I had when I was a child and the pluses and the minuses and what went well and what went badly and all of that.
And...
I wouldn't, you know, that's all part of, here's all of the things that can happen in relationships.
I wouldn't want her to just go out and try and figure all of that out blind.
And just think of it in terms of language, right?
We do not let children invent their own language, right?
We say to them, this is the word for tree.
This is the word for elbow.
This is the word for cat, right?
And we teach them because they don't know all the words that are out there that are preassembled for their edification and their use.
So we don't just sit there and say, well, you know, good luck with language, honey.
You know, I'll catch you on the flip side.
We say these are the words that are out there.
And here's, you know, here's why.
No, no, that word is incorrect.
No, you've spelt that wrong.
And so on, right?
So when it comes to language, we don't just let them figure it all out.
When it comes to math, we don't just let them figure it all out.
We're like, okay, well, here's how you do the division and here's how you do the multiplication and here's the easiest way and all that kind of stuff.
So, no, I don't believe in this unschooling thing.
I think, I know, you know, this is going to make me unpopular.
This is just my opinions.
I'm sure people who are open enough to be unschooling can be open enough for questions or criticisms of the unschooling phenomenon.
Because children don't know everything that's out there.
The most dangerous thing in life is the things that you don't know that you don't know.
They're even less dangerous than the things you know that aren't so, right?
Because at least those can be corrupted.
The things you don't know that you don't know.
And children know nothing.
They're born knowing absolutely nothing.
They have potentiality, but they're born knowing nothing.
And so if you're going to let them guide their own education, how are they even going to know what they're missing?
How are they going to know if their entire fields of study or topics that are out there that they might be completely fascinated by?
You know, to me, Being a parent is just putting a whole series of things in front of your child until you get that thing that goes, bang!
Oh, that's it!
And it could be anything.
It could be chess.
It could be dance.
It could be philosophy.
It could be computers.
That's what it was for me, philosophy and computers, which is sort of my two big adult careers.
So it could be just about anything.
And you read these stories of celebrities or whatever, and they say, oh, yeah, well, the first time my mom took me to a dance show, I was mesmerized.
My jaw hung open.
I knew this was going to be my life.
And you just keep putting things in front of them until they get that.
Bang!
You know, that's what I want to do.
That's my thing.
And, you know, it can change and all that and it may only last six months, but you've got to give them their bang, their supernova of enthusiasm when their raw personality comes in touch with a stimulant that drives them, you know, supernova, right?
So how are they going to figure all these things out?
Is your kid going to sit there and say, well, you know, I'm six years old.
I think I'm going to go and see a Cirque du Soleil show and watch some tragic gymnast plummet from a height or something.
But they don't know what's out there any more than they know what words to use.
We have to tell them the words that, you know, once they know the words, once they know the math, they can do lots of creative things.
But we give them the basic tools of language, of math, of relationships, and of general knowledge, and then maybe they can start to explore on their own.
But you don't take a child into the woods and leave them there.
Maybe after you've taught them a bunch of woodcraft and how to use their compass and give them a cell phone with a good signal, whatever it is, right?
Then you can let them explore, but that's later.
That's down the road.
And I'm not saying, of course, that the child's intellectual journey has to be mapped out to the last detail.
But I think it's lazily uninvolved and conflict avoidant to not tutor your children.
There's a reason you're the parent.
There's a reason you're bigger.
There's a reason your brain has matured and theirs is decades away from maturing.
There's a reason why you pay the bills and not them.
There's a reason why you go to work and they don't.
There's a reason why you have to manage their bedtimes and their sugar intake because they can't make great decisions.
Hell, not even a lot of adults seem to be able to make good decisions in these areas these days.
There's a reason you're in charge.
And it's not abusive.
It's natural.
You know, my dentist is in charge of my teeth.
I don't consider it abusive.
She's a great resource to help me keep the clackers shiny.
So you're in charge.
And this fear of authority, right?
Especially among libertarians or anarchists.
I don't want to be authoritarian.
It's like, no.
Sorry.
That's your job.
That's your job.
You know, like...
If I'm grinding my teeth, I want my dentist to tell me, you know, hey, dude, you're turning your teeth into polyfiller powder, you know?
I don't want her to be like, well, I don't want to be authoritarian.
It's like, no, you're in charge of my teeth.
Be authoritarian.
You know, tell me what to do because you're the expert and I'm not.
And so you're the parent, you're in charge.
And there's a reason we don't give them the right to enter into contracts or vote or have cars or drink or whatever, right?
Because Their brains are immature.
And to me, the parents who want to be egalitarian in this regard and say, well, you know, I wouldn't boss my brother about what to study and so on.
Well, first of all, maybe you should.
And secondly, you wouldn't sort of say, well, you know, we've got to move house, oh, five-year-old of mine, so you grab that end of the couch and we'll hop, pivot, pivot, right?
And the reason we don't do that is because their bodies are tiny and undeveloped and can't Be matched up as an equal on their half of the couch to you.
And so we recognize that with their bodies, but their brains develop further than their bodies ever will.
You know, the bodies will end up twice as high as when they're like four years old or whatever, they end up twice as high.
But if they're only twice as intelligent as when they're four, well, that's not good, right?
So the bodies are gonna go on this extrapolation.
Sorry, the bodies are gonna go linear up.
But the brain goes extrapolation, right?
Straight to the stars.
That needs guidance.
That needs control.
That needs feedback.
That needs restriction.
All of that sort of stuff.
And the earlier, the better.
Because, you know, if you're going from Lisbon to New York and you're two degrees off, well, you don't notice it when you're leaving Lisbon.
Don't even notice it when you're 100 miles out of Lisbon.
You're going to end up in some completely different place than New York when you get across, right?
So, I don't like the fact that parents who are, well, I don't want to exert any authority.
It's like, no, you must exert authority because your brain is mature and there's You know, isn't.
You know, well, we gotta move house, but I don't want them to make them feel lesser, so they're gonna pick up their half of the couch, dammit.
It's like, no, they can't, because they're kids, and they need to grow, and they need to develop, and they need to feel protected.
And they need to feel secure, and they need to be bound in by structure.
Children, and this has been proven many times, children are the happiest when they're bound in by structures that are predictable.
That's when they're the happiest, that's when they're the most productive.
They can play when they know there's a structure around them.
They can explore.
When they know there's a structure around them.
Children in a fenced backyard will explore much further than children in an open field.
Because they know where the limit is, right?
So, no, I don't want to be authoritarian.
No, that's your job.
That's what you signed up for.
You had a child who's dependent upon you, whose brain is ridiculously immature, and who needs guidance.
You are the parent.
Be the damn parent.
Be the adult.
Be the mentor.
And it doesn't mean you have to be a bully, and it doesn't mean you have to be mean.
Like, that's just all avoiding this conflation.
All authority must be mean.
That's got nothing to do.
With a voluntarism or anarchism or libertarianism.
It's no rulers.
It doesn't mean no rules.
And as Bakunin said, he said, people think that I reject all authority nonsense.
When it comes to the making of shoes, I defer to the shoemaker.
And when it comes to the making of human beings, defer to the parents.
Be the parent.
Be in charge.
Don't just be the buddy-buddy.
But be the person who can guide and clear the path for the child to grow in the right direction.
Because they sure as hell can go wrong.
Yeah, that was...
You made a lot of really great points, and a lot of them somewhat surprising, stuff that I wouldn't have necessarily expected you to say, but you make...
Good.
That's why you should listen, because if it was all predictable, right?
Yeah, so I guess I may have miscommunicated.
I didn't mean to say that I would just let him sort of guide his own life in however way he chooses.
I do...
I do practice.
I am the authority in this relationship.
And I know, like you said, if it were up to him, he'd probably have sweets all day and never go to sleep.
And that would make for a cranky baby and a cranky dad.
And it would harm the intellectual development.
Children need sleep for their intellectual development.
They need good, solid, uninterrupted sleep so that their brains can grow properly.
Sleep is as important to the child's brain as nutrition.
It's funny you say that.
When he's resistant to naps and I know that he's tired, I explained to him, who knows how much he actually understands, but I explained to him that, you know, sleeping is good so that he can grow up to be big, strong, and smart, so his brain, you know, and I'd tell him about how his brain grows when he's sleeping.
Yeah, you can't deny your child naps any more than you can deny them healthy food.
I mean, it's the same level of, I believe, the same level of importance when it comes to their development.
Yeah, so I think I miscommunicated.
I mean, I would definitely...
I would definitely have curriculum readily available to teach him and try to have, you know, a structured environment to where he would be most conducive to him learning.
And so you did mention a structure, and I think that's...
Could you elaborate a little bit more on, I guess, children and structure?
I mean, it's...
I'm the primary caretaker.
He sees me every day and his mom comes home in the late evening and puts him to bed and on the weekends they spend more time together and I get a little bit more time off and it's very regular.
But I guess how precise should structure be?
I mean, should it be You know, they wake up and at 9 o'clock they're studying and at 10 o'clock they, you know, I feel like that's a little bit more, you know, if you have it down to the minute or by the hour or whatever, that's sort of an extreme that would be unhealthy.
So what do you mean by structure?
Well, it's not time-based.
The kind of structure that you're going to create for your children is the kind of life that they're going to most likely slide into.
So if you're going to give them a very, and I know that this is a pejorative term, so I apologize for it up front, but if you're going to give them a very regimented structure, then they're probably going to end up in a very regimented environment, because that's kind of what they're used to.
And so I don't have that in particular.
You know, from this time we do this and this time we do this, there are certain responsibilities, you know, there are chores that have to get done and, you know, nobody particularly likes to do them, but we can make them as much fun as possible.
So there are expectations around what needs to be done and all of those we stick with and we are, I wouldn't say overly strict about, but, you know, they They have to get done.
And, you know, everybody needs to pull their weight.
You know, a family is a whole bunch of moving parts.
And if one person doesn't do their part, someone else has to pick up the slack.
And, you know, it's kind of unfair to not do your part and expect other people to do more than their share because you won't.
And that's not a healthy thing.
So I think just around expectations and here's what needs to be done.
And you have to negotiate and get agreement.
But once you have agreement, it's ironclad unless you renegotiate, right?
And that's another thing too, right?
You want them to know that their word is their bond, your kids, right?
So when you have a negotiation, it's like, okay, well, we're going to make her bed every morning or whatever.
It's like, okay, then you make your bed every morning because that's your word, right?
I mean, that's your word.
And because it's so ridiculously efficient to be trustworthy in life.
If you're trustworthy, you just need much less paperwork than if you're not.
And so...
You want to teach them to be trustworthy.
Of course, the first thing you do is you're trustworthy yourself, right?
So if your kid doesn't keep the word, then you can say, okay, well, how would you feel if I said we're going to go to this cool play center that just opened up and then at the last minute I'd say, no, not really.
You'd be disappointed and frustrated and upset because I promised something or said I was going to do something and then didn't do it.
And so you first model the behavior and it really is not around a time thing.
Now, being on time, I think, is a reasonable thing to say.
I mean, how much do you like waiting and so on, right?
So they'll work to be on time and all of that.
And so...
So I guess it kind of sounds, and correct me if I'm wrong, it kind of sounds like structure, in a sense, is more of a predictable life outcome.
Like, predictable life.
You know, mom's always going to come home in the evening.
Dad's always going to be there during the day.
No, no, no.
Because those aren't commitments, right?
Okay.
Right?
So, mommy may not come home in the evening.
Right?
She may have something to do or someplace to go or whatever.
So, it's not that.
It's just because that's repetition.
And children, I think, are fine with changing schedules as long as there's trustworthiness in the communication.
Right?
So...
That, I think, is...
So, to me, it's not like, well, mommy has to come every night.
Otherwise, things are random for the kid.
As long as the child knows what's happening ahead of time and that those commitments are being kept.
I guess I meant more of a predictable family structure that a mom...
There's always going to be a mom and a dad.
Like, you know, a happy...
You know, a two-parent household is what I was sort of getting at.
I mean, so...
Yes, well, of course.
I mean, and that is a value transmission, right?
I mean, nobody can replace my wife because she's, for me, at least the best woman in the whole universe.
And so seeing the parents who love each other is very, very key.
And there is security in that, right?
And, you know, so knowing how much...
You all love each other and care for each other and respect each other and enjoy each other's company that, you know, it needs to be communicated in form and in content, though much more informed than content.
Kids don't really care about the I love use that much, I think, but they really do care about the having like enjoying their company stuff.
Yeah, so I mean, it's, I guess I'm still so if I can Define what you mean by structure and make sure I understand it.
It's not necessarily a set schedule or anything.
It's a structure of values and morals that the family adheres to.
For instance, sticking to your word and being on time.
How that applies to school, I guess, would be learning, say, mathematics or English or grammar or whatever, it would be toward helping them grow as a human being.
Helping them grow as a human being, kids aren't going to be motivated by that.
No, I mean, they're not.
How would you like to grow as a human being?
Or would you like some candy?
I think I'll take the candy, right?
No.
I mean, so as far as grammar goes, well, okay, I'll sort of share with you sort of the way that I approach it.
And grammar, you know, it's kind of boring.
It sucks a little.
You know, I guess some people love it or whatever.
But I will, I think I once showed my daughter a YouTube comment, which was, you know, the You're an idiot, and idiot was spelt wrong, and there was no contraction on the you're.
And I said, okay, so what's wrong with this, right?
And oh, the word idiot is spelt wrong, there was no contraction or whatever.
And I'm like, so if the guy wants to call me an idiot, assuming it's a guy, if he wants to call me an idiot and he spells the word idiot wrong, how does that look?
And she's like, not good.
Not good.
And I said, now, if somebody gives me a very sort of well-reasoned Um, argument, uh, then, you know, that's great.
But am I going to take anything this person, like this person could go on for another page.
Am I going to take anything they say seriously?
And she's like, well, I wouldn't.
And I said, and that's why you do grammar.
Right?
And that's why.
It's so you can win, you know, because, you know, kids are interested, you know, life growth, who cares about that?
But winning now, that's something that they can get behind.
So, yeah, you, um...
You have grammar, so you can win.
Because, you know, life is a lot of combat, you know, in terms of getting things done.
So it's important not to knock yourself out in the first round.
Yeah.
So I guess, you know, I'm trying to be cognizant of your time.
And so I kind of wanted to move towards a couple of things that I wanted to get your thoughts on.
So...
Boys in school today, obviously, are pretty short.
They get the short end of the stick, to say the least.
We were looking at a private school, a private preschool.
I was just shopping around, checking out the options, and we did a parent-child program there, which was actually really beneficial.
I met some other state-owned parents and learned about Communicating with children and expectations and all that and so it was it was pretty beneficial and when they sort of got to a spiel about on one week that we went they got to a spiel about what that that school is all about and one of the core values that they said that they try to instill in children is social justice and so I from that point on I Wait,
they want to instill the dominance of feelings over facts.
Oh, dear.
Oh, dear.
And it is sort of a granola, crunchy, hippy-dippy school.
So it's not that surprising that they said that.
But from that point on, I knew that wasn't a place that I wanted to send my child.
But I'm curious your thoughts on that.
I mean, that's...
Well, I mean, look, I have gone to a couple of private schools.
And I mean...
Not even with regards, like even before I had a daughter just sort of check him out and so on.
And I do remember that there was one school that we went to many years ago and the school was being repaired.
They were renovating it or whatever, right?
And all of the women had like high heels on and nice dresses and all this, that and the other and they were sort of showing us around the school and they were like, oh, we're really into gender equality and so on and all that, right?
And then I couldn't help but notice that all of the people who were repairing the school were men.
And I said, well, if you're into gender equality, why are you guys all in nice clothes and high heels and the men are all in work boots and covered in dust?
It's all men and you're all women.
Where's the gender equality in that?
I just, like, it's fun for me.
And, you know, hopefully it helps people think a little bit.
But, no, I wouldn't, you know.
Yeah, I guess, do you see that getting...
Like if, sorry, if people have this abstraction of gender equality and they don't notice that the women all have these comfortable office jobs where they can wear high heels and the guys are all sucking in white death into their lungs while pounding away at drywall...
It's right in front of you.
I need people who are empirical.
I don't want people lost in these platonic abstractions.
There's no context.
Well, I mean, don't you know, Steph, that the AC, the air conditioner, is also sexist.
So even though they're comfortable in their offices, they're also being subjected to the sexism of air conditioner.
I'm sure there's some mansplaining that's offensive to someone somewhere.
So do you see social justice kind of getting...
I mean, I hope that I'm not in too much of an echo chamber when I'm on the internet, but it seems like people are really fighting back against social justice.
Yeah, they've stopped being nice.
You know, if you're in a boxing ring and somebody starts hitting below the belt and the judge doesn't do anything, well, you start hitting below the belt.
Yeah.
Right?
So there was always this, oh, we're going to take the high road.
We're not going to take the tactics of the left and reason and evidence and calm.
No.
No.
They try to get you fired.
You try to get them fired.
They abuse you verbally on the internet, you abuse them back verbally on the internet.
They punch low, you punch low.
Yeah.
So, and again, I'm talking all non-violent and metaphorical, just so everyone understands this.
I mean, people out there with baseball bats.
But no, I mean, what's happened is, and this is the Trump revolution, right?
And it's not just Trump, it's the alt-right and other people as well.
But they're just like, no, being nice is not working.
And I predicted this.
Years ago, I said that white people, and it's largely a white phenomenon, but not Trump in particular, but the alt-right, white people are nice until they're not, and then they're really good at not being nice.
And white people have just been pushed to the point where it's like, fuck that, I'm not.
You know, this being nice thing, this appeasement thing, it's just getting me taken advantage of, and it's going to cost me my entire civilization.
So, guess what?
You punch low, we punch low.
This high road stuff, it's done.
Yeah, and so I see that happening a lot on the internet, and I'm glad that it's not just my own take on things.
But I'm afraid that it's just getting worse in schools, and I don't know if there's an end in sight for that, you know, public or private.
Oh yeah, no, there's an end in sight.
Don't worry.
The government's really going to run out of money, and it's all...
I mean, you can see this.
We did the presentation a couple of months ago on Venezuela.
Venezuela's currency lost like 15% in a day or two.
I mean, they're in the terminal stages of hyperinflation, and society will readjust.
I mean, this is what happens.
Society goes to these insane limits, and then it bounces back.
Otherwise, there'd be no human beings left, right?
I mean, we have, as I talked about, or rather, as Lord Moncton talked about in the conversation we had about global warming...
You know, every long-lasting system must have something that dampens the amplification of perturbations, right?
So if there's, you know, something like, you know, you hold a hot mic out to a speaker and you get this feedback line and it escalates, right?
Well, that's just not how society works.
We have this snapback, right?
You pull this rubber, but doing!
It snaps back.
And we're just, you know, we're close to the snapback phase at the moment, which is why I'm working so hard to sort of lay the foundations of what's coming next.
Government's going to run out of money.
There's going to be lots of complaining, lots of foot stomping, you know, lots of little feet pattering up and down and lots of holding breath and tantrums and downright violence from the left.
But none of that is going to make more money where there's no money.
And so, it's going to readjust, and men are going to become more valuable again, and it's all going to readjust as the money runs out.
I'm not saying it's going to be pretty, but it's prettier than the alternative, right?
I mean, if you run out of heroin, you go through withdrawal, which isn't pretty, but it's better than death, right?
Yeah.
That's interesting.
I hadn't really thought about.
Whenever I think about the future of the current system, it just seems like there's...
I know there's got to be an end in sight.
I just never make the assumption that it's anytime soon.
But I guess that seems...
You're right.
It probably is sooner than I think.
So...
A couple other things.
If you...
My experience with school was, like I said, not great, but also not necessarily bad.
I don't know that I was ever really taught how to learn.
It was really, you know, these are the things that you need to do to pass the test.
And so I feel like I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage.
Over the past couple years, really since I found out I was going to be a father, I've been I think really doubling down, trying to relearn how to learn.
And I wondered if you had any tips on sort of how to, I guess, a simple question is how does one learn?
And it might be different from everybody else.
Some are visual, some are tactile, but learning to relearn and instilling that in the next generation.
How do you learn?
I guess, yeah, I mean, learn how to...
It's a rage-based occupation.
You've got to really, really hate falsehood.
It has to be your enemy, something that you're willing to, you know, strip the tattoos off your own nipples in order to wrap it around its neck and strangle it to death.
I mean, you just have to hate error and hate falsehoods and hate sophistry and hate lies.
And, you know, for me, maybe it should be more elevated.
And, you know, I do love the truth and all of that.
But you have to crawl over so many lies to get to the truth that you have to enjoy stepping on the face of lies in order to climb to any golden or glorious truth.
There's so much in the way.
And you have to hate the lies.
You have to hate the liars.
And you have to clear away all of that crap in order to be...
Anywhere you build, you have to clear away the undergrowth.
You have to clear away the junk and the garbage and the...
Toxic sludge and you have to hose it all down.
And so for me, you know, learning that the pursuit of truth is driven by a hatred of the destruction of lies, of falsehoods, right?
Yeah.
Like, oh, genetics have nothing to do with culture and the races are all equal and there's no differences in IQ. It's like, those are hateful lies because they're actually destroying Western civilization.
They're actually destroying.
And I like Western civilization.
I consider it the greatest achievement in humanity and it will forever be the greatest achievement in humanity because whatever comes afterwards has had this as an example.
And I hate the fact that it's being destroyed and I hate the people who are destroying it.
For me, to want to learn doesn't mean I can't have fun doing it.
There is great and deep joy in the execution of hatred.
I want a cancer researcher who hates cancer.
Like who just, you know, maybe it took everyone near and dear to him.
I want him to wake up every morning with a burning, vicious, satanic hatred towards cancer, you know, sort of spiraling through his loins.
And that is the person who's going to get the most done when it comes to conquering that.
So, for me...
This is maybe more of a male perspective, or maybe it's just a me perspective, I don't know.
But I get this from some of the great philosophers who hated errors and loathed sophists and loathed the liars who make the worst argument appear the better and loathed The hypocrites.
And so for me, there is a great discharge of venom because I was stuffed full of venom and of lies, like a big poison sack.
I was stuffed full of venom and lies and it's taking quite a bit and quite a number of years and probably will take decades of discharging all of the venom that was force-fed to me when I was growing up and I need to cough it up into someone and so I might as well find the falsest ideas and people around and cough it up on them because it's got to go somewhere and I'm going to boomerang it back to the people who gave it to me or those who supported them because it's theirs and it doesn't belong to me.
That's really interesting.
I can't say that I disagree.
It's not really what I expected.
If you put your son in a government school and he was bored and scared and alienated and bullied and abused and then they wanted to drug him, wouldn't you hate him?
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's beautiful.
The joy of hatred is a beautiful, beautiful thing.
And it should not be underestimated.
Of course, we try to have this world so nice.
Oh, I just pursue knowledge for the sake of the glory.
No, no, no.
It's self-defense against the lying assholes who are trying to take down everything that makes getting out of bed in the morning for decent people worthwhile.
Self-defense.
If someone rushes at me with a knife, I'm going to be angry, and I'm going to fight back.
I'm not going to be all zen and...
No, I'm going to get angry.
I want that fight or flight.
And when people are rushing at me, looking to undo all that my ancestors and I have worked to build, yeah, I'm pissed.
I am pissed, and I am fighting back.
So, yeah.
And, you know, in a sense, that's sort of the YouTube comment thing that I was talking about.
Yeah.
You want to have credibility.
There's going to be fights.
And listen, children are fine with fights.
I mean, have you ever seen kids?
It's half of what they do, right?
Especially siblings, right?
So, yeah, they're okay with combat.
What do kids do?
They practice combat.
Saying to kids you can grow up in a world without fights is like saying to baby lions they can grow up in a world without hunting.
No, they can't.
And so, yeah, for me, I... I despise and hate the liars and the lies and the destruction of the lies and the destructiveness of the lies, the manipulation, the bullshit.
I hate it.
I hate it.
And taking a big chewy hunk off the neck of falsehood is how I get my sustenance every day.
And it is a joyful, joyful occupation.
That's great.
I guess one last thing that I really want to try to get your take on.
Not physical fights, not physical fights, not physical fights, just so you know.
No, I wouldn't.
Yeah, of course not.
One last thing that I really wanted to get your take on.
I'm sorry.
Unless it's real quick, I've got to move on.
We've had two callers in two and a half hours.
Oh, okay.
So if it's quick, fine.
But otherwise, I'll have to beg you to forgive me and come back.
Sure.
Yeah, I wanted to get your take on teaching entrepreneurship, but that may actually take a little bit longer.
So maybe I could just do another call.
Yeah, I might be talking about that with Vox Day tomorrow.
Yeah.
Perhaps that will help.
And if there's stuff that's missing, feel free to call back in.
Okay, great.
That sounds wonderful.
And I appreciate your time and everything that you do, Stefan.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate it, too.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
Our next is Amanda.
Now, Amanda wrote me an email today, actually, regarding the Ohio State University attack, the Kara knife attack by the Somali refugee, which left...
Knife or machete?
I've heard knife.
I've heard machete.
Butcher's knife, I think, is the term that they're going with.
Well, it left 11 people.
It's a machete, for the record.
All right.
I'm checking Drudge, because earlier I saw that Drudge was calling it a machete attack.
We were all calling it machete.
Unfortunately, I think it was a butcher's knife.
What's the difference?
I don't know.
Oh, now there's just a soul-stripping picture of George Soros, and that's not going to do me any good at the moment.
Unless it was George Soros who did the machete attack, which would actually be, I think, a step up.
Oh my goodness.
All right.
All right.
Okay.
Yes, Amanda goes to Ohio State University and wrote in concerning the attack, and she has some very strong thoughts about it.
So welcome to the show, Amanda.
Thanks for having me.
I'm super excited to be here.
I love both you guys.
You guys are awesome.
Thank you.
And what happened?
Were you on campus today?
I actually was.
I was on campus for my 8 a.m.
calc class.
And following that class, I had a class at 9 a.m., which I decided to not go to today for the first time in actually ever.
I've never missed that class.
But I'm recovering from a sinus infection, so I was like, you know what?
I don't feel that good.
I'm not going to class.
So I was fortunate enough to be off campus, but one of my friends that was in my class that I skipped texted me and he's like, oh my goodness, this buckeye alert just popped up on Dr.
Barker's screen on the projector.
Like, we don't know what's going on.
There were, you know, accusations that there was an active shooter, which obviously turned out to be false.
It was the police officer shooting, which is where people heard the gunshots.
So I luckily was not.
Actually, it's funny.
I was watching The Truth on Fidel Castro when I heard about the attacks at OSU. So it was kind of funny.
But it was just so crazy, so surreal.
I couldn't believe it.
I put on Fox News and it was all over Fox News.
Very surreal, and I just can't believe that we are concerned with the hate crime that the Somali refugees are facing on campus instead of, oh, I don't know, radical Islamic terrorism?
Right.
Right.
I mean, there's been quite a settlement program, right, in the U.S. as far as these are.
43,000 Somali refugees resettled in the U.S. just under Obama, right?
Absolutely.
It's absolutely out of control.
And I partially blame our governor, John Kasich, for this issue because, you know, he was on Sean Hannity just a little over a year ago saying, you know, he wouldn't say to these people, you can't come in, you know, this refugee problem is a European problem.
Breitbart actually put up a, it was from September 2015 on Breitbart.
So the transcript, the video of Sean Hannity, And I'm just like, this guy had no idea what he's talking about.
And, you know, say that the refugee problem is a European problem.
Why is it a European problem?
Why isn't it a U.S. problem?
You know, so it's just, it's very naive, I think, of our governor.
And, you know, we're kind of...
Naive?
Yeah, absolutely.
Oh, you're such a nice young lady, Amanda.
You're such a benefit of the doubt.
Nice young lady.
Well, you know, I hope to be in media one day.
So I just don't, I don't want to screw anything up, you know, early on in my career.
Right, right.
Is Kasich and his family, are they in any danger, do you think?
Or do you think they have a lot of security in gated communities and bulletproof cars and so on?
Yes, I think they absolutely have all of that.
I think they're going to be fine.
Yeah, so they're not in any particular danger.
I mean, I remember it was over a year ago when Merkel was talking about the million Muslims coming in to Germany.
And it's like, okay, well, if people, you know, If they're concerned, right?
If she wants to ease people's concerns, it's pretty easy.
All she has to do is, you know, go and get a haircut, go in disguise, and then just go live in one of these ghettos for a week or two.
You know, just have a webcam on her all the time.
And just show how wonderful and how peaceful and how accepting and how excellent it's going to be with her as a white woman in these ghettos.
And that way she can live stream everything that happens for a week or two and everyone can be relieved at how wonderful and positive the experience that she's going to have is.
Absolutely.
And I mean, these refugees, anyone, a minority for that example, I feel like going to university would be great if I was We're going to commit jihad because they're practically invincible from persecution or else we're going to be called, I'm a white female from a professional household so I don't really, whatever, white privilege, is that what I suffer from?
I don't know, whatever they call it.
So these people take advantage of the fact that people aren't going to say it as it is and that's why we have things like this happen at OSU. And actually, interesting enough, This guy, what's his name, Abdul something?
Abdul Razak Ali Artan.
There we go.
He was interviewed by the Lanter, our school newspaper, in August, right when school started, and he was a transfer from Columbus State Community College.
He was there for two years and he transferred to Ohio State.
And he was interviewed and there's an interview of him saying, you know, that he felt very uncomfortable being at Ohio State because, you know, he's a Muslim.
He has to pray five times a day.
And Columbus State has a very large Somali population.
I mean, community college is much smaller.
And Columbus in general has the second largest Somali population.
In the United States, it's about 45,000 Somalis in Columbus.
And so at Columbus State, they actually have little prayer rooms.
For Muslims.
And I just...
So he was saying transferring to Ohio State, he felt very uncomfortable.
He felt like people were going to look at him, think he's weird.
And it's just ironic, really, that this is what it's come to.
Well, now they will look at him and won't think he's weird or was weird.
And that's the funny thing.
Can you imagine if you and I were rescued from some war zone and were taken in...
Japan or whatever it is.
Do you think then we would start demanding that the Japanese accommodate to our particular preferences and likes and dislikes?
Absolutely not.
And they wouldn't, as they shouldn't, you know?
We'd be like, thank you, thank you, thank you.
How can we make it easier for you as our hosts as opposed to, hey, hey, where's my X? Where's my Y? Where's my Nutella?
Where's my...
Well, I mean, if we're going to Japan, we want to go there for the culture, right?
And for the Japanese experience.
So we're going to assimilate to that culture and not bring in our own culture because we're leaving those, you know, ideas behind.
So that's the whole point.
When you're coming to America, you come and you need to assimilate.
And they're not assimilating.
And that is the problem.
And that is why we're anti-illegal immigration as Americans and as college students.
I'm very much in the minority.
I'm actually a part of this chapter at Ohio State called Students for Trump.
And we did a lot of campaigning for Trump.
There's about 300 people in the group, but I mean, there are 60,000 students at Ohio State, so it's very, very small.
But we absolutely just get shut down every single time we want to talk about the refugees or every time we want to talk about, oh, I don't know, OSU becoming a sanctuary campus, which apparently the Latino Association wrote a letter to President Drake concerning, you know, why Ohio State needs to become a sanctuary campus.
And I actually am writing a letter in opposition to that and explaining why Ohio State should not become a sanctuary campus.
And I don't know if this incident today could be just a better example of why we need to not, you know, arbor Refugees or illegal refugees for that matter.
No, you know what's going to happen is people are going to say, well, the solution is more prayer rooms.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't think this particular belief set is over yet.
It is tragic.
And it is where people's minds are at.
Do you know, do you have a lot of girlfriends who are more sympathetic to, or sort of more pro-migrant or more sympathetic to this issue?
To be quite honest with you, I have very few girlfriends for that reason.
But I did, there are probably a handful, but like I said, I don't know a lot of women that are, my age at least, that are millennials, that are pro-migrant per se.
Just my older mate, actually, she was A women's gender and sexuality major and, I mean, need I say more?
But there are a lot of, I would assume, a lot of women on the campus who would be more sympathetic to Yeah, absolutely.
The migrant resettlements and all that, right?
I mean, on paper, it looks great, right?
Like, oh yeah, we're rescuing them.
We'll be a safe haven for them.
Absolutely.
But they're not coming for the American ideals and the American culture.
They're coming to bring their culture and their ideas, and they're going to force that on us.
Even if that means running a car into students and slicing them with a knife.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
And like I said, the fact that there are some students on campus right now saying that they're worried about the hate crimes against Somali refugees instead of talking about radical Islamic terrorism, it's absolutely beyond me.
And the mental gymnastics that you have to go through in order to do so is just exhausting.
Well, it's an axiomatic set of virtue signaling, right?
I mean, this is just considered to be the correct and right standard, and therefore it must be promulgated at all costs.
Absolutely.
You know, I try not to get mad at women about this.
I do.
But tonight, I fail.
Do you mind I give you a tiny rant here?
Absolutely.
All right.
One of the most dangerous weapons in the First World War was a white feather.
Do you know why?
Why?
So, women in England would walk up and down the street, and if they saw a young military-aged man not in uniform, they would hand him a white feather.
And that was a symbol of cowardice.
And that propelled a lot of men to go and enlist, to go to war.
Why would a white feather be so compelling to these young men?
They knew what was going on at the front.
This was not a mystery.
This wasn't in the first few weeks of the war.
They knew the carnage that was going on in the front.
Why would they do it?
You can hand me a white feather.
I think I'll live.
Right?
Yeah, seriously.
But this was very powerful and very effective.
Why was one of the greatest weapons in the First World War a white feather?
Yeah.
Right.
at least to successfully reproduce because babies take a lot of investment.
And if your victim's not into it, it's not going to do well, right?
Sure.
So men need women's permission to reproduce.
Now, if you are a young man and women won't reproduce with you, how long do you think those genes lasted?
Not very long.
Not very long.
Not at all, actually.
Not at all, right?
I mean, there's no functional difference genetically between women sexually ostracizing men and women driving over men in a car.
True.
Castrating them with a hacksaw, it's the same deal, right?
No eggs means you're done, right?
So sexual ostracism from the part of women is the worst thing that can happen to a man.
Because it means the end of his genetics, right?
And so all the genes that said, I don't care if there's sexual ostracism from women, all those genes...
Long gone.
Hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Toast.
They probably didn't even make it past monkey butt, right?
Sure.
So, men will conform to whatever women find morally compelling enough to ostracize.
They'll just conform to it.
And this is the way men are wired.
This is the way men are programmed.
Men who didn't please women...
Didn't have any children.
And those genes are so far in history, it's like the second protozoa gave up on that strategy, right?
Sure.
So here's the thing.
People say, well, where are the men?
Where are the men?
Where are the men?
The men are doing what men always do.
Trying to get some eggs, right?
Yeah, right, exactly.
Trying to get some eggs.
It's a little bit tougher than going to Denny's, right?
Yeah.
And so...
So here's what's going on, is that women are sexually ostracizing men who aren't conforming with political correctness.
And men have no defense against that whatsoever.
Men can't do a damn thing.
Now, men can sort of try and convert and all that kind of stuff.
But fundamentally, men are helpless in the face of linked together cock blocking on the part of women hoarding their eggs, right?
Right.
Men can't win that.
We're completely programmed.
If women are going to ostracize us, if women aren't going to date us, we change our behavior.
Why?
Because we're animals.
We're mammals.
And there's no reproductive strategy that could ever successfully be implemented in the absence of volunteer eggs.
Right?
Sure.
And so what's happened is women, a lot of young women in the West, have been programmed to Provide negative signals of sexual acceptance to men who don't conform to political correctness.
In other words, the left is cock-blocking the right.
Does that make sense?
Yes, absolutely.
You're young and female-enabled, so does this accord with what you're seeing around?
Yes, absolutely.
Like I said, I'm a very avid watcher of your videos, and so it's a lot of There are a lot of female R's out there.
I'm just going to say that.
And being a K, I am looking for a K male to reproduce and have alpha children carry on the bloodline.
And yeah, absolutely.
There are so many women.
Like you said, it's about feeling.
It's how we feel.
If a guy wants some, wants to reproduce, wants to have some strapping young men or women I mean, they're gonna, I completely understand that.
They're gonna conform to their ideals and what they believe.
It's almost a sin to be a conservative on, you know, university campus.
It's absolutely, it's just...
Or just speak facts.
Yeah, or just speak facts.
And that's the thing too.
And I gotta say that when this happened, I just had this gut feeling that I was like, man, this does not feel right.
I just thought it was a Somali refugee, and it was.
And I'm just like, oh my goodness.
But the second that I start telling people that, they're like, oh my gosh, you're so anti-immigration, anti-Somali, anti-everything.
I'm like, no.
No, no, no.
I'm not.
Actually, I know when it came out that he was.
And now they're like, oh, we're not going to assume terrorism.
And it's like, why not?
Hear the facts.
He's from Pakistan.
He came here in Pakistan.
You just have to look at how the philosophy...
How did the ideal system spread historically?
It's not that complicated.
It's really not.
And this is not to say...
Of course, this is not to say every adherent of that ideology is the same.
I understand all that.
But historically, it did not spread quite as peacefully as, say, objectivism or something like that.
So this is...
So until women...
If you are willing to put out for reason and evidence, you're not going to get a lot of reason and evidence.
Like, I'm sorry, sisters.
It's just the way that evolution works.
Until you're willing to put out for facts, you're not going to live with many facts around.
If you want to put out for delusions, then you're going to get a whole bunch of delusions.
If you put out for cucks, you're going to get a whole bunch of cucks.
If you put out for ours, you're going to get a whole bunch of ours.
If you put out for everyone who agrees with you, then you're going to get an echo chamber.
And, you know, and if you put out enough, I guess your vagina literally becomes an echo chamber.
Echo!
Did I lose my keys in here?
Anyway.
So, no, it is the way that biology works.
It's the way that these things work.
It's that women have, and it's brilliant.
It's absolutely genius.
How do you bring down a civilization?
Well, you program the women to sexually reject reality.
Facts!
You know, go up to some woman, you know, on campus who's on the left, which is basically to say a woman on campus, except you and three others, right?
And you go up and say, you know, she's all about the wage gap, and you're like, actually, the wage gap is nonsense, and here's why, and here's why, and here's why.
Want to get a coffee?
No, yeah, no, exactly.
It doesn't work out too well, right?
Right, so, yeah, men will hide facts.
Yeah, men will hide facts.
If it gets them access to eggs, of course, because the whole purpose of a man is to reproduce, not to be factual.
And if facts get in the way of reproducing, buh-bye facts, you are jettisoned.
You know, they're like the unfunny friend with the giant nose pimple who makes terrible jokes and drives the women away.
It's like, sorry, you can't be my wingman anymore because you are getting between me and the eggs and nothing, but nothing can get between me and the eggs.
And so, yeah, if being conservative gets between you and the eggs, buh-bye conservatism because your goal is to reproduce, not to be right.
Can I quote you on that?
That's great.
You know, yes.
What am I going to do?
Hide that I said it?
It's right going to be out there on the internet.
Yeah.
No, it's great.
But I certainly hope to be taken out of context again.
That would be excellent.
I think that may happen one day.
Of course.
It will happen to all of us.
Yeah, so this is the reality that, you know, so we get, oh, we're going to bring more reason.
What's going to happen is the schools are going to run out of money or they're going to run out of funding.
They're going to have to stop being productive.
They're going to drop the idiots.
They're going to drop the propaganda.
They're going to drop the junk.
And they're going to actually have to prepare people for the real world of the free market.
And that means that suddenly facts and reality and negotiation and reason and evidence, they are going to be the coin of the realm within academia again.
It has to shrink a lot.
It has to focus a lot.
Now, once that happens, well, yeah, then women will start putting out for facts because facts then become more profitable for them emotionally than dilution.
But until women put out for facts...
There's no point trying to promote facts within society because they can't get past the hell no egg barrier.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's just absolutely ridiculous, especially probably a majority of colleges I know have state where you have to take general education courses and one of them entails like a culture and ideas class and Man, I'm trying not to take a woman's gender and sexuality class, but it's like they force you!
You know, like, you can't get out of it.
Like, I'm an economics major, but you gotta take a woman's gender and sexuality class.
Sorry about it.
You need to be cultured.
And everyone's in the back like, worst porn ever.
I know!
Seriously!
Can we get less blue hair?
Yes!
No, it's so true.
It's so true.
I don't know if you listened to the show a couple of weeks ago.
I had with a guy who...
He was dating this girl, dating this woman, and then she found out or he told her that he was a Trump supporter.
I did not hear this one, actually.
Well, I won't, you know, go back and listen to it, but maybe if Mike, if you can dig up the show number, but yeah, she was in class and he texted her, and you don't Trump and text, you just, you can't, you know, you gotta prepare people for that.
Yeah.
And she burst into tears, sobbed hysterically, had to run out of the class and didn't know if she could date him because he was a pro-Trump and she didn't know if she could have sex with him anymore or date him or have anything to do with him.
And it's just like, yeah, well...
Great.
That's how you separate the R's from the K's.
You just say, I'm pro-Trump.
How would that work out with you?
I'm pro-Trump.
You're like, all right, tell me more.
People who run away, good, good.
You've got to step over the bunnies to get to the wolves, right?
Absolutely.
I said, I'm an economics major, and honestly, there are quite a few conservatives in most of my classes, but one is a class that I met this year.
We were talking a little bit, and Politics didn't really come up, but I was kind of getting the vibe that he was conservative, and he said that he was in the National Guard.
His dad was a police officer.
I'm like, oh my gosh, this guy has to be conservative.
Like, come on.
Just given everything, the police brutality, quote unquote, and whatnot.
And so I asked him, I'm like, yeah, so I've been like, you're probably looking for Trump, right?
He's like, actually, no, I'm not.
And he just got into this whole discussion about fields and, you know, like how do we help all people that can't help themselves and the welfare state and, you know, the people that are earning the most money, they don't, you know, that's like how much money do they need was a quote that he told me.
So I'm like, I'm like, dude, I'm like, why are we to tell someone, you know, these people that are making millions and millions of dollars, most of them that aren't on Wall Street, are very, very smart people.
Even some people on Wall Street, very, very intelligent people.
You know, they produce things for the market and people consume them and they add value to our market and to our society.
It's good, right?
It's good.
It's a good thing that we have inequality in America, inequality of income.
They create jobs.
Yeah, absolutely.
He's like, how much money do these people need to make?
I'm like, that is so not for you to say at all.
What do you mean?
How much money should they make?
How pretty does that guy's girlfriend need to be?
As pretty as he can get her, I guess.
Sure, exactly.
I just try to have a debate with him based on facts.
I remember when the Access Hollywood tape came out with Trump and he was like, oh, he's done.
I'm like, dude, you don't even freaking know.
There's no way.
I'm like, this is This isn't great, but, you know, Trump has the facts on his side, and he has ideas, and what does Hillary have?
Stronger together, like, what?
I'm with her.
What does that mean?
The people on this campus, this guy's running at them with a freaking machete, and they're like, well, at least he's not saying the word pussy.
Oh my gosh.
It's not funny, but it is funny because it's so true.
I mean, it's It's unbelievably true.
The show is 3507.
3507 is America headed for a race war.
You can get it at fdrpodcast.com.
It's November the 18th, but you should have a listen.
But sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's definitely well.
But I mean, yeah, I know a lot of people that share the sentiment of being very, very pro-Trump.
I'm very relieved that he is our president-elect, because I can't even freaking imagine what this would be like under another Clinton administration, not to mention the fact that she wanted to increase the amount of Syrian refugees by 550%.
Was that the crazy-ass number?
I feel a sense of relief.
I don't feel afraid.
I'm not a scared person, but I'll be vigilant.
Oh, no.
There's sometimes good reasons to be scared.
I mean, and it's not hard to be scared.
It's hard to not have any sense of self-protection.
Can I give you a little chance in case you run into this guy again?
Please.
You know, the left love their chance.
Are you ready?
Yes.
Two, four, six, eight.
Masturbate, don't procreate.
Go Bernie bros!
There we go.
You can use that.
That's amazing.
No, it's funny, too, because...
So after we started having some conversations, it clearly was not going anywhere.
And he would text me during the debate saying like, oh, like Hillary totally has this.
She won all the debates.
I'm like, okay, dude, whatever.
I remember texting him back.
All I said back was, you're so like far gone.
You need to be red-pilled.
You have no idea what the heck is going on.
And I didn't really talk to him since the final debate.
Say hi to your single mom for me.
No, seriously.
I mean, honestly.
But he, so actually, I took a book out of your strategy and I ostracized him from the classroom and I don't sit by him anymore.
And I'm like, that just has to feel really awful that someone just completely cannot be around you because I just, I simply cannot.
You know, he would make comments.
Our economics professor, the class is an econ history class and our professor is very, very free market, pro-capitalism, Amanda, can I ask you for a tiny favor?
Absolutely.
Please get him to call in.
Get him to call in.
Please, please get him to call in.
He doesn't know what he's missing.
The poor guy.
He doesn't know.
He doesn't know.
You don't have to have any sympathy.
I have no eggs.
It doesn't matter if I have sympathy for him.
I'm not going to make a terrible mistake.
Just say he's welcome to call in.
It would be excellent.
It would be so good for him.
To make things even better, he's a burn victim.
He supported the old Bernie's.
Oh, burn victim.
Okay, I don't know whether that, okay, I get it.
He was in a horrible fire?
No, I'm just kidding.
Like burn, like I think it's all over Reddit and like 4chan, so I call them burn victims, Bernie bots, etc.
But yeah, I mean, I'm like, wait, those two will confuse me the most.
I know a couple of people that supported Bernie and now support Trump, which I can kind of see that, I guess.
I mean, the Simpsons want these guys.
The whole villain is Mr.
Burns.
Come on, people.
They won't even be subtle.
Anyway, go on.
Seriously.
But I'm like, man, how can you seriously support someone that absolutely stole the election from your candidate?
I don't know.
I still haven't had an answer, so I don't know.
Their whole deal, Amanda, is please God, do not point me at the free market.
That's all I beg of you.
Do not let me find out how much I'm actually worth in the free market.
And that's why they stay in these enclaves of socialism because they don't want to find out.
They don't want to find out.
They don't want to be put to the test.
Absolutely.
Because they would fail.
They would fail.
And that's fine.
And the fact that they would fail is fine.
We all fail all the time, right?
Well, I do.
But it's that they wouldn't know what to do with that failure.
They don't have the ego strength to process the failure.
And this is the fragility that they've been raised with that has them dependent on state power rather than able to negotiate in the marketplace.
The fact that they would fail, who cares?
How many videos have I done as big as the story of your enslavement?
Why, that would be none other than the story of your enslavement.
So you could say, oh, well, videos are failures.
You know, the show continues to grow and all of that, and it's a step-by-step thing.
And bloody, bloody, blah.
So, no, they just can't handle the failure because they don't have any ego strength to deal with that.
They don't know who they are if they're tested and found wanting in that particular moment.
They don't have the, you know, it's not when you lose, it's when you quit that you fail.
And they don't know how to keep from quitting.
Nope, they don't.
Keep them away from me, though.
I don't want any.
Do not.
The eggs are precious.
I don't want any of that R. So just keep it.
That's fine.
Stay in academia, whatever you want to do.
That's what I like about Scotland.
You know, in Scotland, they roll their R's.
Oh, my God.
Man.
Oh, okay.
You are tempting me down a dark path of bad humor.
I just wanted to...
It's not your fault?
I don't know what it is.
I'm a little tired.
No, it's hilarious.
I laugh at you and Mike all the time, like driving to school.
I'm telling you guys this podcast, and I'm just cracking up.
And I'm like, yours are truly, truly funny.
It's not bad humor.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Is there anything else you wanted to add?
I'm incredibly sorry, and it's going to be, you know, it's going to be pretty tough to go in to school, right, tomorrow, because, you know, everyone's going to be, you know, holding hands and chanting Kumbaya, and, you know, the only tragedy is going to be that there may be some negative sentiment towards Somalis, and there's not going to be any reality, so it's going to be surreal, if that makes any sense.
Absolutely, it will be.
I just cannot wait until we have a Trump presidency and we will hopefully be united again as a country and realize that, you know, we got to start working together and we have to start realizing facts and not caring about our feelings because facts don't care about your feelings, to quote Ben Shapiro.
It is what it is and I really, really hope that, like I said, I have a really good feeling about this presidency and I'm just excited to see where it goes in all facets of America, especially in academia.
Feeling so miserably to educate their students.
Sorry, before we go, because I know when the date's over, but how have the leftists been since the Trump thing?
I mean, is there anybody who's like, wow, I guess we missed something?
Or is it all just like, wow, I didn't realize what a racist society is?
I mean, how are they processing this from what you've heard?
Yep, they pretty much just call us racist.
You know, they can't believe that he won and whatnot, and it's like, well, you don't know that you can't believe he won because you only talk to people that think like you, right?
So, of course, and the people, you know, like, I think Trump was very accurate when he said, this is Brexit all over again, people.
Like, people were afraid to say that they supported Trump, especially on college campuses, for, you know, fear of either losing their job, being ostracized from their friends, ostracized from their families.
It was truly scary.
And there were a couple of protests, if that's what you want to call them, on campus the week after.
And there was actually someone giving a, they were in the Ohio Union, which is like the epicenter of OSU. It has restaurants and study areas.
It's like five stories high.
And he was giving, he was like speaking to this anti-Trump crowd.
And this guy comes out of nowhere and he's standing on some stairs.
And this guy comes out of nowhere and like, Just absolutely.
Body slams him down to the ground.
And it's actually on the internet.
If you go to The Lantern, it's on their Twitter.
There's a video of it.
Actually, it's crazy.
It's kind of sad because this kid was actually autistic and a registered Democrat.
But after that, things kind of simmered down.
But yeah, people just can't believe.
I get comments on my Instagram all the time.
Like, I'll be going to a Trump rally.
They'll be like, oh, wow, like you're voting for someone who's a racist, sexist.
Blah, bitty, blah.
I'm like, okay, great.
Like, haven't heard that one before.
Like, nice, nice try, guys.
Maybe next time if you say it, it'll, you know, it'll really get me.
So it's just...
Well, it's like a magic spell that they get their way, right?
The word racism, sexism, homo, it's just been a magic spell that gets their way.
And, you know, if I had a magic spell that got me my way, I'd probably say it as well, right?
I mean, it's just, you can't let it go.
It just doesn't mean anything anymore, almost, you know, because people say it so much.
It's just like, it's lost, you know, those are really terrible things.
And, you know, maybe one day we're going to have someone that's like that, and we're not going to believe anyone when they say it, because it's been said so much about people...
They're the furthest thing.
But, you know, if that all cash shows, he's a human rights, you know, proponent and whatnot.
So it's like, okay, the irony there.
They're just, they're hypocrites, honestly.
So it's sad.
But when they graduate college, they're going to have low taxes and benefit from, you know, the free market when it comes to health care.
And, you know, they're going to raise the benefits from it.
So I think that's great.
And that's worth it.
So we'll learn one of these days, right?
Right, right.
Well, certainly the pendulum is swinging back and I'm glad to be putting a jetpack to it as well.
So, you know, it's a good time to be in school because there will be a better...
And, you know, I think that this particular death of Castro thing...
First of all, spend your entire life fighting capitalism, die on Black Friday.
There's a certain cosmic beauty to that.
And also, the fact that he died on Augusta Pinochet's birthday is another kind of wonderful thing.
Maybe the devil said to Pinochet, what do you want?
Oh, just one thing, really.
Bring that soul down here.
Bastard.
And of course, what happened with...
I don't know if you watched the Trudeau eulogies hashtag.
No, I don't believe...
You gotta check these out.
So, Justin Trudeau, I have to remind myself.
Oh, the Canadian Prime Minister.
Yeah, you know, Bieber Trudeau, right?
Our drama teacher, Uberkate.
Oh, yeah.
And he...
Mike, why don't you grab a couple of these?
For those who haven't heard them, you can read them out if you like.
I'll wait for you to do that.
But it's kind of a headshot to his candidacy, I think, or to his prime ministership.
Because once you've been memed that badly, it's really tough to hold your head up high in international meetings after that.
And the fact that right after Trump's victory, where he was called Hitler and terrible and all of this, right after that, the left is praising Fidel Castro.
Holy shit.
You couldn't beg on your knees.
You couldn't beg for anything more revealing of where the left is at and what they're like.
Straight from Trump is Hitler to a guy who on that island was Hitler, and he's great.
I mean, that's all you need to know about these parisans.
In comparison to Castro, he was an absolute amateur, right?
All right.
Leftists on Pearl Harbor.
Okay, so hang on, hang on.
Just to set the stage.
So, and I read this in The Truth about Vidal Castro, which, right after those are went, no, Che, Che, Che, Che.
Anyway, but...
So Trudeau was like, you know, he was a very powerful leader and a beloved of the people and, you know, controversial, blah, blah, blah.
So it was a terrible, terrible eulogy.
But of course, his father was a big fan of Fidel Castro.
And this is, for those who don't know, Pierre Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada in the 70s and so on.
And, you know, quite popular.
He was a dynamic, charismatic, lefty nutjob as usual in Canada.
And so Justin Trudeau put out this...
It wasn't even wishy-washy like Obama's, you know, who's developed the art of moving air molecules while saying absolutely nothing of substance.
But Justin Trudeau put out this really quite positive review of Fidel Castro, and people took it up and mocked it in—sorry, if you want to give it—go ahead, Mike, sorry about that.
Pearl Harbor, to some a stirring fireworks show, to others a sneak attack.
Oh, yeah, I saw Ann Coulter's, her tweets when she was like, when she was talking about Mussolini and, you know, other...
Hitler to some a tyrant, to others a painter.
Sure, right, right, right.
I mean...
Stalin to some a tyrant, others an avid hunter.
Yes, that is the one I saw.
I'm like, oh my god, that is gold.
Gold.
There's tons of these online.
Yep, they're fabulous.
Wait, I'm going to do one or two more, because I just had spent way too much time, and I need to pretend it was for work.
Let's see here, what do we have?
Oh man, it just went on and on.
Oh, that's Trudeau's statement?
Click the gallery to the right.
There is no gallery to the right!
We mourn the death of Vlad the Impaler, whose spearheaded initiatives which touched the hearts of millions.
Oh my god.
Oh, I think I've got some.
Okay, I think I have.
While Darth Vader did have his detractors, he did create millions of jobs with his innovative infrastructure projects.
Oh my god.
Today we say goodbye to Mr.
Mussolini, the former Italian Prime Minister best known for his competent train management.
Vlad the Impaler, a leader who in the face of adversity showed us all how to really stick to it.
Oh my god.
I am grieving over the loss of Sauron and his vision of a unified Middle-earth and social justice for all orcs.
Today we mourn the loss of Hannibal Lecter, a controversial figure, but true gentleman who enjoyed having friends for dinner.
My sympathies on the passing of Bernie Madoff.
He saw opportunity on the faces of every person he met.
Through his innovations in biochemistry, logistics, and agriculture, Pablo Escobar revolutionized his field.
May he rest in peace.
Anyway, these just go on and on.
And this has been...
While a controversial figure, John Wilkes Booth will be remembered as a lover of the theater.
So this just goes on and on.
And I'm telling you, I mean, I was talking about this with Mike.
It's a big deal when you get memed that hard.
You know, this is going to...
And now, of course, every single time...
Some asshole dies.
This is going to be resurrected.
And holy crap.
This is going to be pretty tough.
You know, it's like, oh, it's kind of funny.
He already is now not going to attend the funeral because of this.
And because he doesn't understand the internet or the Streisand effect, Justin Trudeau was like, because he was grilled about this.
And rather than saying, I'm not going to talk about it and hopefully putting it in the rear view, he's like, well, okay, he was a dictator.
And it's like, then why are you like, stop talking?
You Yeah, he was the dictator.
Anything that follows that will not be good or positive.
So just stop talking.
It's embarrassing.
We're embarrassed for you.
Go back to kicking that cuck ball in the gay pride parade and trying to make Barack Obama and the president of Mexico shake hands like you're some limp-wristed squid being with no bones in your arms.
Anyway, okay, that's a topic for another time.
Okay, going to move on to the next caller, if that's right.
Thanks for calling in.
I'm glad you weren't there, and I'm sorry for what you're going to have to face tomorrow.
That, to me, is also part of the tragedy, but don't worry.
Tired to turning, sister.
We're getting this set right.
Awesome.
Alright, thank you guys so much.
Thanks.
Take care, Amanda.
Alright, bye.
Bye.
Alright, a couple more.
Osama Bin Laden was certainly a controversial figure, but his contribution to airport security is unparalleled.
That's true.
That is unassailable, that statement.
Let us remember Jack the Ripper as a great benefactor who worked tirelessly to get female prostitutes off the streets.
It's true.
Not all at the same time, individually, but yes.
Delightful.
Alright, up next we have Charlie.
Charlie wrote in and said, When looking at the free will vs.
determinism argument, in your last podcast you were implying that because it is nearly impossible to predict things on the microscopic level, that the same thing can be said about macroscopic predictions.
Throughout history, when looking at systems of people, one gets the sense that some outcomes are inevitable.
And although the series of events that led to, let's say Nigel Farage, leading a Brexit campaign may be unknowable, I do think that the systems that evolved over time were primed for a man of his character to step forward and fill that role, and thus accomplish the same macroscopic event.
Do you think that when viewed from the macroscopic perspective of how systems of people interact, that there just might be some outcomes that are, Inevitable.
That's from Charlie.
Hey, Charlie.
I didn't get much sleep, so I'm sorry if I'm way off in terms of understanding.
Okay, so let me just make sure I read this a couple of times earlier today.
Some outcomes are inevitable.
Yes.
So when you say systems that have evolved over time, I'm not sure what that means.
What is a system and how is it different from individual choices?
What I really had in mind was, do you know that old Hegelian viewpoint that history is kind of the battle of ideas and two ideas will go up against each other and they'll synthesize and create something new and then that new system will Yeah,
I mean, he basically took a bunch of Darwinian thought and tried to apply it to sort of memes and I remember learning this thesis, the argument, antithesis, which then leads to a synthesis, which then goes on.
I just thought, what a great way of never having to evaluate an argument or try and find out if it's true.
What I want is true arguments, valid arguments, accurate arguments, empirical arguments.
I don't want this thesis, antithesis, and synthesis because I want to know what's true and false.
But just being able to sort of stand there and watch this stuff fight it out and so on, it's already very passive and it doesn't actually mean that anyone has to take a stand because they're just observing and so on, right?
So I just sort of wanted to mention that.
It's always sort of bothered me, this whole Hegelian approach to things because it is kind of lackadaisical in a lot of ways for me.
But go ahead.
Yeah, no, I see what you're saying.
The main thing I had in mind was You just look at the battle of ideas.
Even go back to World War II, how you can look at it as it was sort of communism, fascism, and liberal democracy all battling against each other.
And then...
Because it wasn't really any two ideas spawning off, none of them was really defeated and they all kind of left in a dilapidated state.
And now it seems like they're coming back.
Communism versus globalism and nationalism are coming forward to the same battle because they never really had the chance to do battle back in World War II. Sorry to interrupt, but this...
The Hegelian argument is part of this, right?
So, you know, whenever you hear, well, the truth lies somewhere in the middle, you know, the balance between two extremes, you know, we don't want to go to either extremes.
It's the far right.
It's never referred to as the far left, even communism.
But, you know, this idea that the truth lies somewhere in between.
Like you have two people telling you opposite stories and what's that old thing from Dr.
Phil?
It doesn't matter how thin you make a pancake, it's still got two sides.
Two people lying and self-serving.
The truth lies somewhere in between.
Well, that is not a description.
That is a content.
That is part of human thought.
In other words, if you believe thesis, antithesis, and synthesis, then that is going to be how you approach ideas, and it's going to become true because you believe in it.
In other words, well, you don't want to believe the thesis.
And you don't want to believe the antithesis because they're going to produce a synthesis, and that's what you want to believe.
Of course, it's an infinite thing, right?
Then that synthesis then becomes the new thesis, which then develops an antithesis.
So if you believe in that, you're not passively observing these things happen.
Because people who believe that don't want to take a stand.
And that's what that whole Hegelian dialectic is all about.
Don't take a stand.
Everything's in a state of flux.
And everyone who takes down a stand is like trying to freeze water in time without turning it into ice or taking a picture.
Right?
Everything's in a state of flux.
And therefore you can't take a stand on anything.
How perfectly wonderful.
For psychotic absolutists to rule humanity who never want to take a stand.
I mean, it is a state-serving, horrible, relativistic, brain-dissolving, spine-dissolving bunch of bullshit.
I know you're not advocating it.
I'm just telling you that that's the reality of what happens.
All the people who say, well, you know, it's in between the two extremes and use the words extremist and so on.
They're basically coming out of this Hegelian thing that the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
If a knife goes eight inches into my ribs versus not at all, the crime is not somewhere in the middle.
The crime is when it enters my body at all.
It's not somewhere in the middle.
You know, one doctor says the patient's alive, and the other doctor says the patient is dead.
Is the truth really somewhere in the middle?
Two and two make four.
Two and two make six.
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
It's a cowardly, cowardly view of the world where you get to passively think that you're wise by not taking a stand on anything and waiting for events to unfold.
And the fact that people put it forward as any kind of wisdom or moral superiority just shows how popular cowardice is if you can ascribe big enough and bullshit label to it.
But anyway, sorry, go ahead.
So if I could try to reformulate what I was trying to say before.
So Karl Marx writes the Communist Manifesto.
Communism takes over Russia.
Now, did Hitler come to power of his own volition, or was his rise to power induced by communism taking over the country next door and the threat looming of the same communist takeover of his country?
You see what I'm getting at?
Yeah, look, everything...
I obviously would not have a platform if there was no internet.
So the fact that there was an internet is why we're having this conversation.
Sure.
But the fact that there are things that precede you doesn't mean that everything is predetermined.
In other words, I don't view history as a series of dominoes that fall down.
I view it as people having very particular dedications to what it is they're pursuing.
And I'll tell you what I mean by that.
Looking at my own life, if people had viewed my existence up until the age of 15 years old, would they have predicted that I would have the beliefs that I have now?
No.
No, not at all.
And would they predict that, well, you see, he read Ayn Rand, and therefore he became an objectivist?
No.
No, I had friends who read Ayn Rand, never became objectivists.
I didn't understand it, because the arguments are compelling, and you either have to accept them or reject them, but, you know, they were like, yeah, it was a cool story.
I had a friend who became an architect, and he's like, oh yeah, I wanted to become an architect, so naturally everyone's pushing Howard Rock on me, and it's like, oh, so blase.
And, um, so yes, there's cause and effect, but it comes down to your choice.
It comes down to the choices that people make.
And I've got a whole presentation coming up on this about the rise of narcissism and so on.
So yes, there were things that came before.
And there were things that conditioned what occurred.
But as I said to the first caller, history excuses nothing.
You can find causes, for sure.
But all you're saying is that in the absence of people willing something different, yeah.
Inevitability holds sway.
Sure, of course.
In the absence of deciding to get up from the couch, you keep sitting on the couch.
Sure, I understand that.
In the absence of eating better food, you eat bad food, and it has the effects that it has on you.
In the absence of going outside, you stay indoors.
You know, like when you break it down to that level, sure.
There are consequences to staying on the couch, eating badly, and never going outdoors.
And so you say, well, you know, he got sick because of all these things.
But all of these things were choices.
Now, you could say, okay, well, by the time a certain number of bad choices have been made in a society, then negative things become inevitable.
Maybe Hitler was unavoidable by 1927 or 1928.
But so what?
So, after a certain amount of smoking, you get lung cancer.
Probably.
You say, well, okay, so now you have lung cancer.
But it wasn't inevitable.
It's only inevitable after a certain number of bad decisions.
So, no, I don't...
In hindsight, we could look and say, ah, well, you see, all of this seemed to be inevitable.
And it was inevitable because the goddamn intellectuals Didn't fight it.
Didn't choose to fight it.
Now, maybe they couldn't because the intellectuals who would have fought it maybe couldn't get through to the people because of the internet.
There was no internet or something like that.
And, you know, maybe the best they could come up with was Heidegger, the Nazi scum-sucking ultra-cuck.
But...
I don't view any of that.
You know, because why were there no avenues for people who were counter Hitler to get published?
Well, because people had made a whole bunch of decisions before that, right?
So maybe it was too late by 1927 or 1928.
And sure, you know, when somebody's been smoking for 50 years, maybe it's too late for them to become a marathon runner.
But that's only because of choices they made before.
So that would be my perspective.
Yeah, I think when you're trying to predict outcomes of things, even though it might be impossible to predict it on the small scale level, like what I'm going to do tomorrow or when I'm going to die or so on, I think that The randomness associated with each individual player gets averaged out when you look at the stage that they're currently in and which ideas are currently the strongest and just the general
landscape of things.
Fascism is the natural reaction to a communist takeover, so even if Hitler didn't We're good to
which produced the same outcome.
In other words, you'd have to say, well, every country that was threatened by communism next door must have turned fascist.
Well, no.
You don't think Austria was threatened by communism next door?
Of course it was.
Austria didn't become fascist.
Ah, well, maybe it's the countries that lost the First World War and were ground under by the Versailles Treaty.
Well, no.
Austria was also ground under by the Versailles Treaty and lost the war and did not turn fascist.
And Italy was on the victorious side.
And turn fascist, right?
So here's the problem.
You can look at any individual thing and say, ah, well, there are these dominoes.
But if it's the case that there are dominoes, then all countries in similar situations must have gone the same way.
And if they didn't, the domino theory doesn't work.
I see what you're saying.
So I think humanity has the capability of delaying when two ideas will face off against each other.
But I don't think they have the ability to prevent it at all.
And my original statement of...
Neither fascism nor communism nor liberal democracy were defeated.
I think we're seeing the resurgence of that same argument now in the globalism versus nationalism argument.
You know, that dude Fukuyama wrote that like liberal democracy was going to be the end state of history.
And once we reach that, it would be.
Yeah, yeah.
What a stupid.
But yeah, once we reach that point, there would be no more progression because we reached, you know, what we were supposed to.
That would be the end state of all ideas fighting it out.
And that's what we would reach.
But I feel like the globalist nationalist argument is the result of neither of those ideas being defeated in the Second World War.
Well, no.
I mean, so look at Trump.
I mean, look at all of the steps that led towards Trump, right?
So Alex Jones runs Infowars, and Alex Jones for many, many years.
I mean, I remember when he used to do these videos with these kaleidoscopic backgrounds.
I don't even think he had a studio.
He's been doing documentaries.
And he's been putting out these arguments and these ideas that, of course, a lot of people thought were crazy.
Until events, significant events, caught up with what the man was saying.
Yeah.
So, if he hadn't been willing to be ridiculed, if he hadn't been willing to be called a conspiracy theorist, if he hadn't been willing to be mocked and attacked and scorned, then some of the credibility that he got through being right about things that people thought were crazy, well...
If he hadn't been willing to do that, say, oh, well, you know, Trump had this thing, right?
And I'm not saying Trump was entirely dependent on him, but Alex Jones certainly helped.
I mean, Alex Jones got a phone call from Donald Trump.
And I don't think it was a, what the hell do you think you were doing?
I think it was a can of thanks, right?
And, you know, in my way, I've been putting out lots of arguments for many years, 11 years now or whatever.
So that has an effect as well.
You know, by the time Trump got in, we had...
A quarter of a billion views and downloads, that moves minds.
It does.
Same thing with Brexit.
So you say, oh, well, you know, there's this inevitability.
Well, I tell you this, man, it sure as hell doesn't feel inevitable if you're doing it rather than recording it.
If you're doing it rather than watching it, it sure as hell doesn't feel inevitable.
It feels like you're taking risks.
It feels like you're going out on a limb.
It feels like you're stretching your capacities.
It feels like you're stretching the kindness of your audience.
It feels like you may be challenging people too much.
So, I think that people tend to get more into the inevitability, the domino thing, if they're not actually out there doing things.
Because when you're actually out there doing things and trying to make changes in the world, it really doesn't feel that inevitable at all.
If you're watching it after the fact, oh yeah, for sure, so what?
But there's no cost, there's no challenge in that.
Yeah, I agree with you, but just the fact...
Nobody who's playing the game thinks it's inevitable.
Sorry to interrupt.
Nobody who's...
Like, you can say after the...
Oh, it was totally obvious that the Broncos were going to win.
But nobody who's playing the game thinks it's inevitable because if they think it's inevitable, they lose their edge and they lose.
Yeah, but just the fact that me and a ton of my friends that just found out about you within the last nine months because of this resurgence in...
The globalist, nationalist argument, I don't want to belittle all the work that you've done over the last nine years because you've been one of the hardest workers I know of in terms of this stuff, but do you think it was primarily due to the work you put in or are you filling a void that humanity was yearning for and you stepped up to the plate and that's what caused you to grow so fast so recently?
You know what I mean?
Well, the growth recently has a lot to do with the skills that I've developed over my lifetime in talking and thinking and communicating in ways that people find engaging and entertaining.
And because I'm not frightened by ideas, there's an old statement, and I wrestled with this a lot in my youth, but there's an old statement, I think it's from a French philosopher.
He says, nothing human is alien to me.
I don't find arguments offensive.
I can't ever remember getting really angry at an argument.
I may find it gross, I may find it negative or whatever, and maybe, I don't know, if people were like, I don't know, normalizing pedophilia or something, I would probably find that pretty repulsive, but enough about Salon.
So, I don't find ideas appalling or shocking, and because I don't find them shocking, I have a way of communicating, even Ideas which a lot of people would normally find shocking in a way that doesn't provoke their defenses.
They can review it and analyze it.
So I'm not shocked by fact.
I'm not shocked by information.
And because I'm not shocked and not afraid of these things, I have a way of communicating things to others that other people might not be able to understand.
Get across in a way that was so non-volatile for people.
And this has been commented by a wide variety of people.
How can you say these things and people will listen?
It's like because I'm not offended or upset or angry by ideas, right?
They're just arguments.
They're just things to be understood.
So I think that the practice has helped, obviously, being able to, you know, if you do something for a long time, it's the old 10-year overnight success thing.
If you do something for a long time, Then suddenly you appear out of nowhere and seem to be really good at it.
You know, like the Huey Lewis phenomenon, right?
He'd been doing it for 10 years before.
Or like when I was a teenager, and when Thriller came out, Michael Jackson's Thriller, I didn't even know about the Jackson 5s.
I grew up in England.
I don't think they were very big there.
But I didn't even know about the Jackson 5s.
I didn't know the guy.
Wow, this guy's an amazing singer and dancer.
It's like, well, yeah, he's been doing it since he was like three years old.
It's like, ah, okay, well, that explains the moonwalk and why...
My ankles hurt.
But anyway.
So there was that.
But also I... There's an old saying which only Nixon can go to China.
Nixon was a staunch anti-communist.
So when Nixon went to China, anti-communists couldn't attack him.
And as an anarchist, as a voluntarist, as an anarcho-capitalist who's argued very strenuously against political action...
When I started talking positively about political action, of course it offended and upset a lot of people, but it had a credibility to it because it's like, okay, well, if this guy is willing to alter I didn't alter anything epistemologically or metaphysically or in terms of reason.
If this guy is willing to accept new arguments and new evidence, then that's important.
Only Nixon can go to China.
And I had a special credibility when talking about the value of political action in this election cycle.
And I didn't do anything to earn that other than be consistent over time, which is rare enough that it has the power to move mountains.
So...
So no, there was nothing inevitable about it.
It was all the work that I had done before and my willingness to Follow reason and evidence wherever it leads.
This is the promise I've made and I will continue to make.
I will follow reason and evidence wherever it leads.
If it leads to human biodiversity, by God, I go to human biodiversity.
If it leads to men's rights, I'm going to explore that and explicate the topic.
If it leads to anti-feminism, I'll go wherever the reason and evidence leads me.
And people who are wedded to my conclusions...
And don't understand that reason and evidence is a process.
It's a methodology.
It's not a conclusion.
They're going to be disoriented.
It's like, well, you said this, and now you're saying that.
And it's like, well, yes.
I recommended we not sail across the sea when it was covered in ice.
Now it is not covered in ice so we can sail across the sea.
I recommended not stepping off the boat before we got to the dock.
Now we're at the dock.
We can step off the boat, right?
So all the methodologies, not these final orders, conclusions, right?
Those are fundamentally dictatorial.
Methodology is freedom.
Conclusions are dictatorship.
You must do this.
Here's how we help the poor, the welfare state.
Here's how we educate the kids, the government schools.
Those are conclusions and they're tyrannical.
The methodology of reason and evidence is the only liberty that human beings will ever have.
Everything else is tyranny.
And so when I don't remain wedded to conclusions, There shall be no political action.
Well, no, that was an argument I made, but the information that was available throughout history, and then when something truly remarkable and different came along, sure.
The ice has thawed.
Now we can sail.
Let's never sail.
There's never been anything but ice on this sea.
We can't cross it with a, oh my goodness, the ice is gone.
Global warming.
Let's sail over, right?
I mean, that's adapting.
To new information.
To new facts.
And this is what I always said I was going to do.
And it's only disorienting to people who don't fundamentally listen.
Or who want to be tyrannized by conclusions.
So they can order themselves around.
Rather than learn how to think for themselves.
And follow the reason and evidence.
And liberate themselves from the tyranny of conclusions.
This is why I don't tell people what to do on this show.
Because I don't want to substitute my judgment for theirs.
And they need to learn how to think for themselves.
And of course I had gained credibility.
By being right about a lot over a significant period of time.
And that helps.
And there's no substitute for that.
There's no substitute for that.
For just having been right about a whole lot of things.
And, you know, every now and then I sort of bat around the idea of going back and just getting the big giant bag of things I was right about.
That's tempting, but I'd rather just be right about new things.
So I think the sort of record stands for itself.
So I think all of that helps a lot.
But no, there was nothing inevitable about it.
These are all choices.
I mean, it would have been very easy for me to say, well, no, no.
The Truth About Voting was a very big video and got a lot of people onto this channel.
So political action, nothing's changed.
It's like, well, no, but something has changed.
And it's only by denying the reality of what had changed that I would be able to remain wedded to a conclusion rather than the methodology of reason and evidence.
And I simply won't bow to a conclusion because I recognize no masters other than reason and evidence, and reason and evidence is a process, it's a journey, not a destination.
I totally agree.
I was more implying that the arguments you were making, because truth is sort of suppressed in this modern age, it was bound to come out at some time, and These ideas were bound to take a form, and that form was you because you decided to put all the work in, but...
No, no.
You can't say that it's because I decided and therefore it was bound to happen.
The moment you say I've decided, it wasn't bound to happen.
Yeah.
I mean, it is bound to happen that spring shall follow winter.
It's bound to happen.
Nobody makes that choice.
Right?
Now, my suggestion to you, my friend, is...
Stop describing and start doing.
You'll be free from inevitabilities.
You'll be free from larger historical processes the moment that you start doing and trying to affect change in this world in whatever wheelhouse or sphere you feel you are best suited for.
Go out and make change in the world and you won't be worried about Hegelian dialectics and what is inevitable and larger historical world movements and so on.
Once you make things happen and stop watching things happen, you'll be surprised at how much you can get done.
Yeah.
So do you think a one-world government is inevitable?
Maybe Trump put it off for- You are not a good listener, man.
You are not a good listener.
Maybe this is the inevitability that comes from not being a good listener.
I don't know.
What did I just say?
I said, you go out and you make things happen and you make choices and the things are not inevitable if you're in motion.
And you say, well, do you think one-world government is inevitable?
It's like, hmm.
There is a determinism to using your mouth, not your ears.
I'll tell you that for sure.
No, I agree with you.
Each individual player has the choice to make actions or advocate for certain things.
I just think that in the grand scheme of things, when it comes to systems going up against each other, that all of our actions somewhat become meaningless.
Right, and that's the goal of why you think about these big systems.
You want to elevate these systems to this big giant monolith So that you feel insignificant and helpless and therefore you don't have to take actions that might put you in risk, that might put you in danger, that might generate disapproval, that might generate hostility, that might get you trolls, that might get you hate sites.
You don't want to take those actions because they're scary and you might experience some negative consequences from taking actions to promote virtue in the face of evil which has significant power in the world.
So I understand that but just be honest with me and say it scares me Don't create these big giant monoliths of abstractions to justify it as somehow a dispassionate and wise view of the mechanics of human history.
You're scared to go out there and do what other people are doing, and you're not comfortable with the fact that you're scared about it, so you're making up some big giant world historical inevitabilities so that you are wise rather than afraid.
Just go out and try things and do things and serve virtue and fight evil and do all of the good that is necessary to make this, right?
All right.
I see what you're saying.
Can I just give one little small example?
And this is from the Bible.
So God gives the Jews his law.
And in that law, he...
Instills in them this amazing amount of ethnocentrism, and then he scatters them throughout the world.
All right?
And the logical conclusion of that is you've got these pockets of ethnocentric minorities scattered throughout the world.
The host countries are going to not like that so much because, in general, host countries don't usually like pockets of minorities that don't assimilate.
So the conclusion of that is that these people scattered throughout the world are going to want to come home eventually.
But when they do finally come home, they're going to have to push somebody off their land, and then that's going to start a religious conflict, and then that religious conflict will divide the world in half.
And then you see where I'm going with this?
It's on the grand scheme of things, when you view it macroscopically like this, it just seems like some outcomes are inevitable regardless of what each individual person chooses to do.
And how would you solve this conflict if you could do anything and achieve anything?
Oh, I have no idea.
Sure you do.
No, you do.
No, no.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
You listen to this show, right?
Sorry.
Right?
How long have you listened to this show for?
About nine months.
Right.
Have you ever heard me make the case?
That human conflict is resolved either through reason or through force?
Uh, yeah.
Okay.
So we don't want to do it through force, right?
Because that's been tried for 6,000 years, right?
Yep.
So if we could get people to be rational...
And I don't mean rational in finding some ways to disagree or to get their superstitions to mesh, because that's never going to happen.
I mean truly rational.
Evidence and reason.
Socratic reasoning, philosophy, Aristotelian empiricism.
If we could get people to be rational, to let go of superstitions, of history, of myth, of lies, if we could get people to be rational, this conflict would end, right?
Mm-hmm.
Doesn't mean there wouldn't be any disagreements in the future, of course.
Scientists have disagreements.
They just don't generally solve them with suicide bombings.
They solve them with conferences.
And beat down through government funding.
Well, that's a topic for another time.
But it's peaceful.
It's peaceful, right?
So you know exactly how to solve this problem, which is to promote reason and evidence in the face of mad collectivist superstitions, right?
Yeah.
Do you want to do that?
Yeah, I would love to do that.
Then why haven't you?
Oh, I do.
But I'm...
Wait, so you're acting to change something that you consider an inevitable process of history.
So that's exactly what we're in agreement then.
No, we totally are.
I think I can do everything I can to advocate for the same thing you're doing, like reason should trump force.
But...
At the end of the day, I can still think that it might not be possible, even though I disagree with it and act in complete opposition to it.
But if you think it might not be possible, then you're accepting that there's no inevitability.
It's not possible that spring shall not follow winter.
Right?
That's inevitable.
But if you're saying, I don't know that it's going to be possible, of course.
Then you're saying it's not inevitable.
And when it's not inevitable, my friend, that means one thing and one thing only.
It's up to you.
It doesn't mean that you alone can solve it.
But if you understand that something is important, is essential, is a preferred course of action that's not inevitable, then you are betraying your knowledge by not acting on it and working to make the good happen.
B! The inevitability you see in the world.
Be the god of your own history and be the writer of your own future.
Be above and beyond what is called Limitations.
Be bigger than all the historical abstractions that you could possibly assemble into one self-defying, soul-crushing monolith designed to paralyze you into inaction.
Be bigger than all of these things.
And do you know why?
Do you know why be bigger than all of these things?
Number one, it's really fun.
Number two, it's really good for the world.
And number three, it doesn't matter how small you are, you can never hide anything.
From dying.
You're going to die anyway.
You don't get under the radar of death by being small.
He's going to find you.
He's going to find you.
And here's the thing.
If he finds you, and he will, when he finds you, when death finds you, if you're really small, you die forever.
You die forever.
So many people I've known, now that I'm 50, so many people I've known Their parents have died.
Friends have died.
Uncles, aunts, grandparents.
Leaving virtually no mark on the world.
Virtually no mark on the world.
I remember a friend of mine showing me home movies from when he was a kid.
And there was some woman smoking away in the background and I said, who's that?
I said, you know, I don't know.
I don't know, a cousin's aunt?
I knew at one point, like her name's...
I can't remember.
She smoked, she got cancer, she died.
I don't know.
There she is, smoking away, gesticulating away, saying something that nobody will ever remember.
You can shrink yourself to a tiny subatomic particle in order to hide from the conflicts in this world.
You're gonna die anyway.
And...
You will die forever.
You know what I will never do?
I will never die forever.
I will forever live in one form or another.
I'm gonna live digitally.
I'm gonna live in people's minds.
I'm gonna live in the fact that children aren't hit.
I'm gonna live in the fact that children aren't...
boys aren't circumcised.
I'm gonna live in the fact that people are gonna have a clarity of thought and a hope and a positivity and an enthusiasm and a fear and an integrity and a dedication to truth and a dedication to courage.
I'm going to live Forever, you understand?
I can't be killed.
I will never, ever die.
People will be watching this very speech in 500 years, in 1,000 years.
And hopefully, wondering what all the fuss was about, but they will be watching.
I will never die.
Do you know I never shut up in the world?
There are so many people who listen to what I say now.
There is never a time when I'm not talking on this planet, ever.
Sometimes it probably feels that way in my own household, but there is never a time when I'm silent.
And so, by becoming bigger than history, guess what?
I become bigger than history.
By becoming bigger than limitations, I achieve immortality.
I will never, ever die.
And of course, it's not just me.
Paul McCartney will never die.
People will play his music forever.
So you achieve immortality.
You achieve benevolent and munificent influence in the world.
I don't care about greatness.
Greatness is too subjective a value.
You could be a great mass murderer.
But you achieve the capacity to inspire and illuminate other people.
I'm not saying this to praise my own ego or anything like that.
I'm saying this to tell you the benefits.
Because we all know the fear.
We all know the fear of stepping outside the circle of prescribed limitations for what we're allowed.
Don't be big.
Being big is being in trouble.
Being big is being attacked.
Being big is going to cause problems.
And when we step outside the circle, the tiny little circle, the square space that Dusty F.C. talks about as you live in a square space hanging above an eternity and an infinity for the rest of your existence, what a nightmare that would be.
Well, that's what we're given.
This is the little square, the little handkerchief we're allowed to stand on, what we're allowed to The opinions were allowed.
The perspectives were allowed.
Don't talk about this.
Don't talk about that.
That's offensive.
That's upsetting.
That's inappropriate.
Fuck inappropriate.
The truth is inappropriate.
And if you stay on that square, you bother nobody.
You excite nobody.
You illuminate nobody.
You inspire nobody.
But you bother nobody.
You are as predictable as clockwork, and therefore, since you're going to spend the rest of your existence standing on a two-foot handkerchief, Guess where you're going to be in 20 years?
Standing on a two-foot handkerchief.
Does that feel like determinism?
Does that feel inevitable?
Sure.
And it is.
And it is.
But only because you've chosen to stand on that handkerchief rather than take a step off, stretch your legs, and learn to run up walls, matrix style.
So, that is my recommendation to you.
There is fear in outgrowing The tiny Fidel Castro-style prison boxes that are assigned to us.
Be small.
Be hunched up.
Be uncomfortable.
Be afraid.
Spread your wings.
Stretch your wings.
Soar.
Fly.
Take to the sky.
There is no sun big enough to take the wax off our wings, no matter how high we get, no matter how visible we are to the world.
Be as big as you want to be.
And yes, there will be fear at times.
And yes, you will feel nervous.
And yes, you will feel defeated in moments.
But that's part of the fun.
Who wants to play life in God mode where you can't ever be harmed and you can't ever lose?
How boring that is.
Love the losses.
The losses are part of the glory of success, of influence.
And for the sake, for the price of of a small amount of fear and a small amount of anxiety you gain glory you gain immortality and you gain being large enough compared to mere history that other people We'll sashay their Michael Jackson dancing legs off that
little handkerchief and join you in the divine dance.
And yes, we all look mad to those who can't hear the music, but you step off the handkerchief, join the dance, and revel in the glory of being bigger than what you were given.
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
That's what I should do, and that's what everybody should do.
It certainly would make it easier for those of us out here.
All right, I'm going to close off, but I really, really thank you for your call.
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