Sept. 21, 2016 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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3422 Life as a Refugee in Europe - Call In Show - September 19th, 2016
Question 1: [1:19] - “Intuition seems to describe a legitimate problem solving technique. I have often arrived at insight without following a serial path of logic. In science and math, I can usually show someone else a logical path but I did not arrive there consciously. I believe Newton intuitively ‘knew’ how gravity worked, but he had to invent the mathematics of calculus to prove what he knew viscerally. In the computer world, serial logic prevails. In the human meat brain, parallel processing prevails. I believe that intuition is the result of this unconscious parallel processing of data in our brains. ““So, what is intuition? Can intuition be the reason behind my ‘non-reasonable’ faith in a Creator? Although, my faith in Jesus does not meet the standards of serial, empirical logic, I have a strong ‘gut feeling’ that there is much 'spiritual' truth about human nature and the nature of the Creator in the Christian faith. I believe that my intuition is not blind even though I lack empirical proof.”Question 2: [10:25] – “I’ve worked for one year at a care home for unaccompanied minors in Sweden. How do I prepare my family for growing up in this environment and how can I help provide answers to helping these kids when they themselves identify these refugee homes as negative and hate their situation? I see multi-culturalism failing around Europe and the US, but these problems have been around so long. Shouldn’t there be a way for each culture to find their own way in each society? The crime is so high for foreigners in Sweden, and not mentioning what these immigrants do to the host population by hiding their nationality. It seems people are waking up to these false narratives. What else can we do to reverse the damage of the past 40 plus years of multiculturalism?"Question 3: [1:08:50] – “Is acknowledging our specific deficiencies and differences as people divisive or helpful? From anecdotal experience, I find myself questioning whether or not it helps to know the truth especially when we're talking about genetic trends. To give a less touchy example, does it help a young girl growing up without a father to make better decisions if she knows that there's a strong likelihood she will make bad decisions due to his absence (in most cases)? Or are you accepting the behavior/likelihood by acknowledging the trend?”Question 4: [1:59:50] – “Many people, noting the West's seeming unwillingness to defend their traditional nations, believe the issue stems from pathological altruism. Yet the Anonymous Conservative website, which details r/K behavior theories, clearly details r related behavior as related to narcissism. Do you think it's possible that the current consensus is incorrect and what we're struggling with is narcissism at the level of general society?”Freedomain Radio is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by signing up for a monthly subscription or making a one time donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate
Hi everybody, Stefan Molyneux from Freedom Made Radio.
Hope you're doing well.
What a fun show we had tonight.
The first caller wanted to know, how can we trust intuition?
Is intuition a valid way of figuring things out about the world?
I think my answer may surprise you.
I have a lot of respect for intuition, but it's something that we need to closely monitor and evaluate.
The second caller, yeah, his heart was pretty much broken throughout the entire conversation.
But before we even chatted, he worked for a year in a refugee home in Sweden for, of course, the Middle East migrants.
And the stories he had to tell were depressing, hair-raising, scary, and essential to hear.
So I hope you will listen to that with great, great clarity and depth.
Now, the next caller was a woman who wanted to know whether acknowledging group differences between people, is that divisive or helpful?
Is it going to solve problems or is it going to cause more problems?
And that's a very common question that I get, so I was really glad to delve deep into that.
And the last caller, she's called in before, she's a great caller, and she wanted to know, is it really pathological altruism that may be the cause of some problems?
A lot of huge problems that the West is facing.
Or is it, in fact, just basic narcissism?
And we had a good chat about that.
So thanks everyone so much for listening and for watching, of course.
Please help us the show at freedomainradio.com slash donate.
Alright, up first today we have Lin.
Lin wrote in and said, Intuition seems to describe a legitimate problem-solving technique.
I've often arrived at insight without following a serial path of logic.
In science and math, I can usually show someone else a logical path, but I did not arrive there consciously.
I believe Newton intuitively quote-unquote knew how gravity worked, but he had to invent the mathematics of calculus to prove what he knew viscerally.
In the computer world, serial logic prevails.
In the human meat brain, parallel processing prevails.
I believe that intuition is a result of this unconscious parallel processing of data in our brains.
So my question is, what is intuition?
Can intuition be the reason behind my quote-unquote non-reasonable faith in a creator?
Although my faith in Jesus does not meet the standards of serial imperial logic, I have a strong gut feeling that there is much spiritual truth about human nature and the nature of the creator in the Christian faith.
I believe that my intuition is not blind, even though I lack empirical proof.
That's from Lynn.
Hey Lynn, how you doing?
I'm doing just fine.
Good to talk to you.
Your question reminds me of an old song.
Imagination is funny.
It makes a cloudy day sunny.
Makes a bee think of honey just like I think of you.
And I think this question, the relationship between instinct and reason, is a fascinating one.
Is there anything you wanted to add to your question before we dive in?
Well, I had a quote in mind from Einstein that thinks that intuition is An important part of how he arrived at his thinking or his conclusions.
Right.
I mean, one of the most common ones is we all know that rape, theft, murder, assault, that these are all wrong.
But proving it, as I have done with My free book at freedomainradio.com slash free, entitled Universally Preferable Behavior, A Rational Proof of Secular Ethics.
It's one thing to know something intuitively.
It's another thing to prove it.
And I was interested, Lynn, in the fact that you would talk about Newton or Einstein, that these people had an intuition about the way that the universe worked or the way that physics worked.
And they then went through the trouble of figuring out how to prove it.
And that, I think, is the important thing.
The intuitions that we have, I mean, as we know, our brains have evolved from, I don't know, the nervous system of single-celled organisms over billions of years.
And we have instincts left over, of course, from our time as, I guess, relatives of chimpanzees and earlier than that.
And we've kind of built this, what I call the post-monkey beta brain expansion pack, which is kind of buggy, on top of all of this existing brain.
Infrastructure of instinct and all of that.
It's sort of like how they built cities on top of other cities in the ancient world.
And so I think that intuition is really important.
And I do think that we're told to ignore our intuition a lot of times by people who want to prey on us, by people who want to fool us, by people who want to steal from us.
We're told to ignore our own intuition.
People who are dangerous always want to tell us to ignore our Our own intuition.
And so people who present the signs or present themselves in dangerous ways will always say to you, well, don't prejudge me by the way I look, right?
And so they're trying to disarm your natural instincts about potential danger.
And so I think that intuition and instinct is a very, very essential and important part of life.
Its relationship to the Neofrontal cortex is a more rational part of the brain.
I think it's sort of like a dance.
It's like a negotiation.
We should not be dominated by instincts.
But neither at the same time should we dominate our instincts and ignore or crush or repress them.
Because we have the singular ability to reason our way out of emotional associations that aren't correct.
Like I was thinking about this call during the day.
And I remembered when we first moved to Canada, I lived with a relative...
And this relative had a dog.
And he asked me to go and rake the yard.
And I said sure.
And I went to rake the yard and the dog ran away and hid howling.
And he said well we got this dog from a previous owner.
The previous owner hit the dog with a rake.
And of course the dog was scared of the rake.
Now if it was a human being you could say to the human being that you're not scared of the rake.
You were scared of the owner.
The owner using the rake.
Now that we have a different owner the rake is not nearly as dangerous.
In fact it's not dangerous at all.
And so you can't really do that with dogs, I don't think, but you can do that with people.
So I think that instincts are very important, but we should not accept them as gospel.
Almost literally, I guess, is the case of what you're calling in about.
We should not accept them as gospel, we should not deny them, and they should always be subject to the requirements of rational proof, if that makes sense.
Well, in a lot of situations, like climate, Things are so complex that there is really no serial way to prove whether it's going to rain on this block in Yuma.
It may or may not.
They'll give you a percentage of possibilities, but there's no way that they can actually say it's going to happen.
It's just too complex, too many variables.
Is there more you wanted to add to that?
Well, only that...
In some situations like that, instinct is probably about...
Well, I make a distinction between instinct and intuition.
But your intuition is probably the only thing that you have going for you.
And what's your distinction between intuition and instinct?
Well, I haven't quite figured that out.
You take...
Like birds have particular...
Nest building habits or mating habits that don't seem to be logically, or they're not transmitted from parent bird to the fledglings.
They apparently are kind of like built into their brain.
And that's really pretty hard to explain from a DNA point of view.
How does behavior get involved in or determined by DNA? Yeah, it is a real challenge.
And of course, this is off the top of my head, but if I remember rightly, there are monarch butterflies or certain species of butterflies that make a trek down to Mexico or someplace when North American winters start to hit.
And sometimes it can take them several generations to get down there.
Again, I could be wrong on that, but even if it's just one, they just kind of float around in North America and then boom, off they go to Mexico where they stay for the winter.
And that is, of course...
Confusing because that is behavior that is very instinctual.
So that I think is important that these instincts are essential.
We wouldn't have the capacity for a higher brain if our instincts hadn't worked to keep us alive and keep us out of the jaws of saber-toothed tigers and all that.
And so I would say that we need to have respect for the instincts.
They should not be our masters.
They should not be our slaves, but they should work to stimulate thought.
They should be in a dance with reason.
But reason does at some point have to have the final say if we're going to say something true about the universe or the world.
Instincts aren't going to be enough to do that because they are subjective experiences.
Again, it doesn't mean that they're false, but they don't rise to the status of epistemological truth unless they're verified by reason and evidence.
I would agree with that.
All right.
So with regards to a belief in Jesus or a God, it is a subjective experience You do, of course, have the challenge if you wish to make it a metaphysical claim, a claim about something in reality that you have to go through the process of reason and evidence in order to support the instinct or the feeling of existence of a deity.
And that is the big challenge, of course, that theologians and philosophers have wrestled with for thousands and thousands of years.
So I think that these kinds of instincts, again, very important But you can't let them determine truth or falsehood.
They are compelling and powerful subjective experiences, but they do not rise to the level of philosophy until validated.
Well, I can't argue with that either.
All right.
Well, I think then we will move on if we have good agreement.
I think that's wonderful.
I appreciate your call, Lynn.
Lynn, a great pleasure to chat with you, and let's move on to the next caller.
Okay.
Alright, well up next is Dave.
Dave wrote in and said, I've worked for one year at a care home for unaccompanied minors in Sweden.
How do I prepare my family for growing up in this environment, and how can I help provide answers to helping these kids when they themselves identify these refugee homes as negative and hate their situation?
I see multiculturalism failing around Europe and the United States, but these problems have been around so long.
Shouldn't there be a way for each culture to find their own way in each society?
It seems people are waking up to these false narratives.
What else can we do to reverse the damage of the past 40-plus years of multiculturalism?
That's from Dave.
Well, hey Dave, how you doing?
Great stuff.
How are you doing?
How's your year doing?
Not too bad.
Thank you.
Not too badly.
So what's the care home for unaccompanied minors?
I assume that this is Middle East migrants and the minors are coming in and saying that they are 18 or 17 or below, that they're 17 or below.
Is that children?
I've heard some stories that this may not be entirely accurate.
If you look at some of the quote minors.
But what was your experience working there for a year?
What sort of stuff did you see?
What did you experience?
What are your thoughts?
That's kind of an inside view of the situation.
Yeah, well, it was about a year I got recommended by a colleague to start up at one of these homes because there were so many that were coming in because they've just been expanding a lot of Old daycare facilities or new buildings they put in or in some cases they actually took out like areas like hotels or something where they
fitted them with the refugee kits and like you said they say they're like 15 or 16-ish but they're all Yeah, mostly from Afghanistan and Somalia.
And they're all military-age males, of course.
You can't really tell how old they are, to be honest.
And a lot of them, you know, they say they've been on the streets for, you know, five, six years and going through a lot of different countries.
So it's like, well, how are you able to do all that and still be only 15 or 16?
And a lot of them...
Just in my experience, they were really aggressive.
If they didn't get anything, like let's say they wanted to load their cell phone with some minutes and they only had a certain amount per month that they got, well, if they used up all those minutes and you said, well, you already used how much you have for the month and it's only like two weeks in, then they...
Could throw some pretty violent tantrums.
Sometimes they'd just throw food all over the kitchen and make it start stinking.
In this case, what made me want to talk about this was I just realized people were asking me what's actually going on in these homes.
They don't actually hear anything from media about what's going on so they're always curious to say what is it exactly that these kids are experiencing and why are they so violent it seems and why do all the Swedes try to burn the homes down whenever they're announced that they're building new ones.
So it's quite fascinating because it feels like you're right there and You get people that might be trying to burn down the building on the outside, but then when these kids throw these violent tantrums, it's like they want to burn it down themselves.
So it's like both sides are kind of trying to do the same thing.
It's really hard to really get a grasp of what these kids want because it's like they come over and they usually, some of them sponsor their families to come over and like the father will get arrested or their siblings will come in with the mother and it's only a father that gets arrested so it doesn't really make sense why They would just bring in these military-age males and then start arresting the fathers that come in as
well.
I'm sorry, so the military-age men that you're talking about would try and sponsor their own fathers to come in, and then the fathers would come in, but the fathers would be arrested?
Right, they'd come in with their, they'd fly in with their whole family to sponsor their family to come in, and For some reason, the Swedish authorities would say it wasn't allowed for them to come in, but they would only arrest the father and the mother and the children would be allowed to stay at some temporary facility while they sent these sons to go live with their parents
again.
I don't really know how the system works, why they...
Like I said, they don't talk too much about what they actually do in these homes.
When they're in these homes, It seems like they don't really get along with themselves either.
Some of them say they just want to get away from whatever problems they were trying to escape from in their country, but when they come to these homes and they're integrated with a lot of kids, they end up causing the other kids to Strike out and lash out and they start fighting each other.
One time there was...
They liked soccer, so they were all playing.
One day at a big field that they had built for them and because some of the kids were Arabs and the others were from Afghanistan, a whole bunch of them just started swarming around each other and started to We're getting in a pretty nasty fight and it's pretty scary to see.
They just said to me that, you know, we don't like Arabs and then you could see how even among themselves they're like in kind of a explosive situation where they don't want to be around certain other cultures.
And that to me was kind of, I didn't really know about that and hadn't seen it from that side either.
But, you know, being around them for a year, you get to see how they lived and usually they would just kind of hold themselves up in their rooms at times and they'd want to move out of the home and the way they do that is they have to apply through some pretty lengthy process and then eventually they get their own apartment which,
you know, is paid for by the government and it's It's kind of sad, really, because they want to move out and they want to get on their own, but then when they don't, they start shutting down.
They don't really have too many friends outside of the home that they're in.
So then they start, like I said, throwing those tantrums, and it could be Something pretty minor, but it could be like a split second.
You know, they just flip out because, you know, they didn't have their bus card or something and they wanted a ride somewhere and we couldn't take them because it was too late because at these facilities,
you know, you only have so many people that work at night and these kids, they want to go out and party and, you know, we can't leave one person In the facility, because if you do at night, it's pretty dangerous for those people, because you always have to make sure you count how many knives are left at the end of the night.
You mean after dinner kind of thing?
Yeah, after dinner, before the night personnel stay over, you have to make sure that all the scissors are accounted for in the knives.
In fact, there was a 21-year-old in Gothenburg earlier this year.
She was staying at a similar facility as mine.
This is why it kind of made me want to talk about it.
Since she was there and they had a knife missing, they didn't know where it went, and she was there alone at night.
In our case, we were lucky because if scissors were missing or something, then you had...
To have two people there.
You weren't allowed to have one person stay there at night because you never knew what could happen.
In her case, she tried to break up a fight I think maybe an hour, half hour before the day shift came in.
It was just brutal.
They cut her all up because she was trying to get in between two guys.
I think they found out that the one that A murderer was a 20-plus-year-old kid from Somalia.
Just really scary to think.
I know when I first started working nights, I didn't go outside the room at all for anything because I didn't know any of the kids and trust any of them.
Sorry, do you mean the room where you were stationed?
Yeah, we had a room where the personnel would sleep at night.
So if anything were to happen, we were...
We were there in that room to lock ourselves in, in case we needed to get away from one of them.
It was kind of an office for all the workers.
This is from dangerandplay.com, Mike Cernovich's blog.
He said, Sweden caught censoring the internet 1984 style from January 29, 2016.
He said, if you live in Sweden, you won't be able to read this news report.
Exclusive Swedish social worker was stabbed in the back and thigh as she tried to break up a fight between two teenage migrants.
Sweden appears to be censoring all articles critical of refugees.
Three more articles are unavailable in Sweden.
Yeah, they passed a law back in April 2014 that made it basically...
Uh, defamation or hate speech or whatever, so that you weren't actually allowed to talk about these things.
Otherwise, you could be charged by a prosecutor.
And so that's shut down a lot of people even opening up about this.
Um, I know when I try to talk about it, I've seen, uh, what's her name?
Ingrid Kalkfist on your show a couple times, and she talks about a lot of issues, and people have warned me that she's an Islamophobe and not to listen to her, and that she's dangerous.
And I'm like, well, did you actually listen to anything she had to say about what it was like growing up in Sweden back in the 70s and how a woman should just be able to walk down the street naked without having to worry about being assaulted?
And it's just...
40 years later you see how much things have changed and now they're just massively importing all these migrants and it's just so alarming how many there are and then when they're around each other how they kind of also create more hostility because they're not all from the same area so it's like well do you even know what kind of situation you're creating and A
couple years back, even now, there's cars that I think there's like six days or seven days in a row where cars are just lit on fire in the middle of the night.
People say that it's Swedes that are burning the cars, but it's not.
It's in these areas where it's like the worst ghettos of Sweden where they're not even allowed to have their own law enforcement there.
They have...
A separate law enforcement that's working in there.
Sorry, got it.
No, you were about to say something else?
Well, the way it works when we're working with these kids is we're there to take care of them.
Like I said, if they need their phone charged or If they need food or hygiene products, whatever, we're there to give them basically everything that they need.
But like I said, they can lock themselves in the room.
So if they need to go to school and we knock on the door and wake them up in the mornings, they'll just basically be shut off and they won't want to go.
So we can't actually force them to go to school.
And if they...
If they stay up all night and then they play like Xbox or they all get their MacBook Pros and Apple Airs and are able to basically shut themselves off from...
I'm sorry, Dave, how did they get their MacBook Pros?
Well, through the school system, they loan that out.
So each student gets one of these MacBook Airs to study with, and then they're able to do whatever with them when they take them home.
Usually they have to sign it out, I think, but I'm not real familiar with that.
But we would take them out on the weekends, and we would play football with them.
Whatever, see a movie or do activities together.
And sometimes they would be like, well, this other house, this other home for kids, they got to go here for this weekend.
And we don't do any of these things.
So they would start raising.
We have weekly meetings with them.
I'm sorry, monthly meetings.
And so they would every month complain like the food isn't good enough or they don't have enough activities like these other places.
But then when we set up these activities for them in response to that, none of them want to go.
So it's like they're just basically trolling.
And it's...
When they say that the food is so bad, they say, well, you said you grew up on the streets and all this other stuff, so how can that be something that's an issue where you're complaining about it?
Because if you really grew up on the streets, you'd be thankful for any type of food you got.
Honestly, the kids, they ate better than I did.
How long did they say three hots and a cot?
Yeah.
Do these...
Youngish people, are they learning Swedish?
Are they learning English?
Do they seem to have any job skills that might be of value in the Swedish economy?
Well, the thing that I see them right now is they learn Swedish.
It's very tough for them.
Not all of them can learn it.
Some of them don't speak any English, and some of them, yeah, I would say...
A majority of them don't know how to speak Swedish very well.
It's very basic, if at all.
Because, like I said, you try talking to them, and you don't know their language, so you need a translator.
But if you try talking to them in Swedish, they often just get very angry because they just don't understand what you're saying to them, and they can't understand you either.
So economically, they're Their best bet is probably to go into the government working as a translator, but if they can't even learn Swedish, it's like, how do they even make that shift?
Is it that they're not particularly interested in learning Swedish?
Because they've got time, right?
They don't have jobs, and you say they can be in school, but I assume some of the schooling is to learn Swedish, right?
Right.
They have special classes that they are set up with to learn Swedish because they have to learn a basic form and start off on different levels because they don't know how much they know, whether they know the alphabet or what languages they can speak.
So it kind of starts off with your basic Swedish and Some of them pick it up real fast, like I said.
They're real motivated and they can do it really well.
Others, it's just a struggle.
You can tell it's a very basic form of Swedish that they can speak.
Economically, I noticed a lot of, I don't know what you call it, It's a little grill houses, grills on the street, I guess, where they work at, and they can work at a couple of mini-marts that they have open in the downtown area, but it's pretty small.
It's not too many of them that can work in there, because they've had offers.
We've been to places like pizza joints and stuff, and they're like, oh, you guys want to come work here?
Just come apply here for the summer, and You know, see how it goes down.
But when the summer came around, you know, they had no interest in it.
Well, I mean, they're getting an income from the government, right?
And I assume that that income would be diminished if they got wages, so they'd basically be working for little to nothing, right?
I mean, tell me if I'm wrong.
That's, I mean, how I've seen it in other places.
I'm not sure if they would dock them anything.
I know that they do get paid.
They have somebody who takes care of their finances for them and this person tells them how much money they have saved up and if they have money to go and buy certain things.
I know it must be a good amount of money because some of them buy some pretty nice things.
And those things break, and then they go out and buy more.
What kind of stuff are we talking about here?
Like a drone, that type of thing, where they go out and fly these little drones around and, you know, like football gear and a lot of other things they take an interest in.
Right.
Drones.
Drones, yeah.
You know, so many things rolling around in my head, I'm just not even going to bother picking one about that particular phrase.
And I'm still working on the MacBook Air, which are some pretty nice and slick machines.
And of course, I assume they've got free, virtually unlimited internet access.
Right, yeah.
It's through the house that we work at, so they have all that.
Because that, of course, would allow them to browse websites in their native language, which would give them less of an incentive to Exactly.
Learn Swedish, right?
Well, that's what they do is they'll sit there and they'll be listening to whatever music is from their country or whatever TV shows are from their country and it's in their language.
And we have a giant TV room where they can do that sort of thing and watch their...
Their movies and their language, and yeah, it's pretty much like you said, where they're not learning Swedish, they're just holding on to their language through those devices.
Right.
From what you've seen, is there, I mean, you mentioned earlier there's sort of a lot of conflict between various groups coming in, right?
I mean, it's not just, you know, one big group that all gets along.
Well, they had to split up the groups because it got so bad where they couldn't have the kids from different cultures together.
So they split it up in a couple days because they said there was a lot of kids, maybe like 80 or so.
And when they got into that argument, it just took off.
And then some of these Swedish ladies were breaking it up.
And I was so scared for them because I just saw this massive amount of, like I said, they're not really kids.
And I'm just hoping they're going to be okay and that nothing happens because they just...
Like lightning, they just get so angry and so violent.
And it's like you're automatically on alert.
What's going to happen?
Who knows?
One of them could have a weapon or whatever.
So it's really hostile in an instant.
And it's weird because it's like when there's more of them together, it's worse.
So that's why I was kind of thinking, how does...
Like if you're in another population and you're moving to be together with people of similar cultures, wouldn't it be able to help you assimilate if you have more people from that same culture who can maybe be there for you to talk with?
But in this case, it's like it makes it worse.
It's like you'd And sometimes it just makes it worse.
It doesn't make sense.
They seem to be unaware of the fact that diversity is a strength and that they should be enjoying and appreciating the differences between them rather than using it as excuses to get involved in some pretty significant conflicts.
Sure.
Yeah, definitely.
Because I know a couple of them Yeah, they pull me aside and they're just like, look, don't ever talk to these people and don't ever give these people a ride.
And I'm just like, why?
I just didn't understand.
Like, what is it that's so bad about them?
And they're just like, oh, they're Arabs.
We don't like Arabs.
I'm like, okay.
I mean, because they're in the same house as them in the same community.
So...
It's weird because from the inside, you think that wouldn't really matter, but like you said, they don't realize that diversity is supposed to be their strength, etc.
And, of course, they must be frustrated as young men without, I assume, women around to date or to, I guess, I don't know.
That brings up a good point because, actually, one of the places I was at, some of the female personnel were saying how worried they were that they saw some really young, like, 12-, 13-year-old Swedish girls were walking around With these guys and they look so much older and they were saying how worried and scared they were to see these kids,
quote-unquote kids, walking around with these really young girls and just how, you know, that was even, like, alarming them.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
No, no, that's fine.
But sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, so...
You have situations where, yeah, the women, you know, they want to be, like, inviting.
Like, I know Ingrid made the comment, it's like, you're bringing in these military boys and you just want to, like, the mother, you just want to hold them and hug them and bring them in.
And then the girls, you know, want to also invite them in.
But it's just scary to think of If there's so many of them, because like Ingrid said, gang rape wasn't even a term used in Sweden back in the day, and now it's part of the vocabulary.
They say that these kids are Swedes, but they're not.
They're from another country, and to just sit there and put more Smoking mirrors over it and just hiding this information.
I think it's causing a lot of Swedes to...
Like you were saying, the great lie of multiculturalism is not only does it decrease your trust with those people who come in, but your own culture and a lot of them, a lot of the Swedes are worried about other Swedes and how those people are going to be reacting and how They're going to be trying to take back, fight back for their country.
And so it's like we're more scared of that reaction, too.
So you've got both sides that are really, I don't know, it's just explosive.
You don't know what's going to happen.
Yeah, so if you have some concerns about this giant social experiment going on, that you may be afraid of what other native Swedes might have to say about it.
Right, and if you try talking about it and try giving light to the issue, it's like you're a racist.
You're automatically shot it down.
How dare you say this?
These people are all trying to escape from war, but like the Lauren Southern was pointing out, she was there, boots on the ground.
And she said, I couldn't find any Syrians.
She's like, there were two kids in one of the camps she went in.
And that's where all the media was focused, was these two or three Syrian kids out of all the others that were there.
And it's like, yeah, these people aren't all coming from war-torn countries.
And like I said, a lot of them came through Turkey and Greece and a lot of other places.
And it's like, If you really just want to escape the war, you'd want to, you know, move there and not just shop around and go for who's got the best welfare.
Right, right.
And as far as, I don't know, it's hard to say this is a very sort of abstract or emotional term, but I guess one of the things I'm curious about is the level of appreciation that may or may not be occurring among the people who are, you know, according to the sort but I guess one of the things I'm curious about is the level of appreciation that may or may not be
Is there a sense of like gratitude or a sense of relief or a sense of how can I help or, you know, thank you guys so much or anything like that?
Absolutely not.
Take your time.
Come through the nuance if you like, but go on.
Well, I'll give you a couple examples of.
One is...
You know, there's a couple kids, you know, they come off like, you know, they're real grateful.
And this is what reminded me of it was, you know, they're real nice and real, like, you know, thoughtful and talkative.
And then, like, like I said, they'll apply for, let's say, their own apartment where they want to move out to.
And They don't get it, or they have to wait a little bit.
And then, like I said, they will just completely do a 180 and get really exposed, so they'll start throwing food.
We'll start throwing dishes.
We'll start breaking windows.
And it's like, what do you do?
So our procedures, you call security.
They come over, they see what happened, and then they call the police.
And it's kind of like...
What are you going to actually do to prevent this situation?
But the police just come there, they take a statement, they talk to the kids for a while, and then they leave.
And, you know, it happens again, like, the next week or the week after.
So they can be really appreciative when you're giving them things.
But then when you say, you know, oh, you have to wait for this, or you...
Even if they give something out, like...
Whether it's their phone card or their bus card, and they don't have it, and it's like, well, we gave you that card for the whole month, and now you don't have it, and we gave you another one, and you lost that one.
So we can't give you a ride somewhere.
You have to have the consequences for getting these things, and plus it's so late, and they just lose it.
They absolutely lose it in split seconds.
Right, so impulse control or deferral of gratification or patience, not necessarily the very highest skill set in the people that you've seen there.
No, and in fact, it's quite, like, it's downward because, you know, they get angry or whatever and maybe they get, you know, something that they want out of it because, Let's say they get a telephone card, an extra one, because they don't want them to feel still angry.
So they'll give that to them, but they still afterwards get so down and they just get so depressed.
And that's why they lock themselves in the rooms, because we want them to go get some But they think that if you go see a therapist that you're going to the loony bin, that you're psycho.
And then they don't get any sort of counseling whatsoever.
And they just kind of shut down.
And it's like a downward spiral for them.
Because they don't have their family there with them.
They don't have a lot of their friends.
And it's rough.
That doesn't help anything.
And I try talking to them, but if they're only coming out once or twice a day, they go to the bathroom and grab some food from the kitchen, then it's like, well, what can you do?
Which is why, like, one of the biggest things you've said that's hit me hardest is, like, if you think an idea is good, like, oh, you want to take in these kids, you know, you want to do something and help out with some of the War-torn countries, then go ahead and go out and adopt a family, do it yourself or spread that idea and try to collect donations or charity for it and see how that works.
See how that goes for you.
Don't have the government use force to redistribute the wealth and force these kids into this situation because ultimately they need a family.
They need some sort of model Of parents where they can grow up in, even if it's later in their life.
At least they'll have two parents that are there to take care of them.
And it's not just some government worker coming in every couple hours to take care of them and then rotate out.
And I mean, the retention is horrible.
I mean, I think it's just gotten...
Worse recently with the influx because a lot of people I talked with that were working at these places were like there for a couple years like eight years some of them like six years seven years and they were all they were all leaving and it was like wow like is it really that bad has it really gotten so so worse with all the influx of kids and just the They don't really have any structure of how
you're supposed to schedule their day for them because I've been to a couple different places and they have different schedules.
Some places are really good like they have the food cooked and ready at these and these times and it's only available for an hour and then if you don't get your food that's it.
And other places where they have to cook their own food and there's really no there's no set way that they've Planned it all out.
They've kind of just left it up to these monthly meetings or weekly meetings with staff to discuss how they can help.
But it really...
You keep trying and then it feels like you're just grinding your head against stone and it's going nowhere.
Right.
Yeah, it just sort of struck me too.
If you're If you really want to help refugees, let's just pretend they're all refugees.
But if you really want to help refugees, as we pointed out on the show, and as Trump pointed out in his immigration speech, you can help 12 or 13 people in the Middle East for every one person you bring into the West.
Exactly.
Right?
So if it was not sentimental, if it was not the desire to escape this, I don't know, voodoo witch curse of you're a racist or whatever, I mean, then you would help the people in the Middle East.
You would work with Saudi Arabia to open up its massive tent cities.
You would find ways to help people in the Middle East.
And you would also, dare I say, if you were to find – and they're not that hard to find.
They're fairly prominent.
If you were to find the people in the West who arguably started these wars or these proxy wars or this funding of various terrorist groups or various anti-terrorist groups or various groups in the Middle East, if you found that they had, I don't know, broken the law or say got involved in foreign I don't know, broken the law or say got involved in foreign conflicts without having Congress declare war, which is supposed to be the constitutional way America gets into conflicts or If you found that they had suppressed information or lied to the public or whatever, then wouldn't you bring them up?
on charges.
Because that at least would be something to deter this constant meddling in Middle Eastern countries.
And that sort of two-pronged approach, if you wanted to, you know, you could shut up charities to help people in the Middle East, who are tragically displaced by a lot of Western meddling and other meddling in their countries, and more than meddling, of course.
I mean, basically the disassembling of Of a very hard-won and repressive, obviously, regimes.
But I think that we can see in the aftermath of the collapse of certain Middle Eastern governments why the repressiveness may have been there.
Because the repressiveness, while brutal, could arguably be considered somewhat better than the unbelievable chaos and disaster that followed the end of these repressive regimes.
So, yeah, I mean, it's...
It's one of these situations where you kind of need a two-pronged effort to try and figure out what was going on domestically, legally, but just not going to happen.
And then of course you would do an intelligent and sensible approach to dealing with the refugees in the Middle East.
And these things aren't about to happen.
They aren't about to happen.
And it is one of the great tragedies, you know, for 30 years or more.
I have been arguing against the power of the state, the power of fiat currency, the power of militarism, the power of imperialism.
And Most people have thought I was crazy.
Most people have said, it's an extremist view, it's crazy.
I've said to people, put your personal relationships to the test and figure out how to get people to wake up to this stuff because it is really important.
And people have said, oh, that seems very extreme.
That's crazy.
I mean, you can't make virtue a test of your personal relationships.
Okay, well, then you don't have to.
Of course you don't have to.
But then what happens if you don't?
Well...
You may find that your relationships are changing anyway.
And you may find that your culture changes anyway.
The other thing I thought of as well is that if you're in the Middle East, and let's say you have five sons, and you hear, I guess, with all of this social media and information jumping over the internet, you hear that Europe is...
Open for welfare, right?
That you can go to Europe and you can get three or four or five or six times the income you could make in your Middle Eastern country just by showing up.
It seems like a pretty good deal, right?
I mean, if people in America were offered, I don't know, $400,000 a year of free stuff to go to Qatar or something, yeah, there'd be some who'd be kind of interested, particularly if they had been unemployed and particularly if maybe their unemployment benefits are running out and so on.
Then, if you have five sons...
They're all going to be, you know, scattered through the bell curve of intelligence.
And I just, I wonder, I don't know the answer to this, because testing will never be done, of course, but I just wonder, would you send your very smartest kids to Europe?
Would you send the ones who are going to make it, no matter where they are, who are going to be the doctors and the lawyers or wherever?
Would you say to those guys, yeah, doctor, lawyer, IQ 130 people, IQ 140 kids, you head off to Europe and we'll keep the other one.
You know, I just, I don't know that it's really going to work.
I don't know that it would really work out that way.
Well, like you said, it's like an artificial climate.
You're affecting these people's Through epigenetics, and they're not able to really say no because nobody says no to free stuff.
You give that to them, and especially from these cultures, it could be lower intelligence that you send, let's say, and they're coming up, they're getting hit by cars, they're being smuggled in.
I think some of them have suffocated in trucks along the way up.
It's a brutal way to To make that trek all the way up for, you know, like you said, all this money and then eventually mathematics is going to, you know, work out so that they don't get the welfare anymore.
And what are they going to do then?
What are those smartest people going to do if they didn't go to college and didn't get their degree?
And I mean, ultimately these people, I mean, they want To be with their families, it's like you would want to be around your culture and where you grew up.
I just think that it's so sad for all these kids because it's like they're coming in to soak up all the welfare and then what's going to be there for them?
I mean, there's not many women to take in all these men.
To match up with them.
And you have this climate now where they're, you know, going to be expecting money each month.
And when that money runs out, what are they going to do?
Yeah, I mean, I can't prove any of this, but I've had some dark-ish thoughts that throughout history, governments make extravagant promises to their populations, which they cannot possibly imagine.
Fulfill.
I mean, I don't know what it's like in Sweden, but unfunded liabilities in the United States are north of $170 trillion.
You know, on an economy of $15 or $16 trillion a year, it's completely impossible for Western governments as a whole to keep their promises to their populations.
You know, and all of the supposed austerity was, all it was was tax increases.
The government spending was barely cut at all throughout most of Europe.
So generally what happens is when Governments cannot keep their promises, they go to war.
And then, hey, we have less excess population, so we don't have to pay out as much.
And of course, people are willing to give up benefits if they're in a state of extremity.
And Europe, with its inverted pyramid of birth rates...
It's mental, right?
I mean, it's like 1.1, 1.2, 1.3.
No possibility that the retiring boomers can be sustained, I believe, with the, especially now that there's the euro, there's not even any sort of Right.
People say to me, Steph, you sound like a nationalist.
It's like compared to globalism, nationalism is paradise.
And so there's one possibility.
And, you know, a lot of this, I think, has to do with sentimentality and not knowing basic biology and all this sort of stuff.
But I do think that there's a possibility, however unconscious it may be, that potential conflicts are being stirred up in order to cover up the fact that the European government simply won't be able to pay their bills.
Now, they can't go to war against each other.
Because they've got nukes and they've got whatever, right?
I mean, they just couldn't.
I mean, good lord.
It's only 70 years since the last one that killed 40 to 50 million people.
So I don't think that they'll be doing that again.
So if they can't print their way, money print their way out of their unfunded liabilities, they certainly can't tax their way out of their unfunded liabilities because there's not enough tax on the planet to cover even America's debts, I believe.
And they can't borrow their way.
Out of their problems.
So they can't wage war, they can't print, they can't borrow.
And they sure as hell aren't going to sit down with their population and say, you're kidding, right?
You knew this shit couldn't last.
You knew, you know, if you've done grade two math, you know for sure that everything we're saying was completely coming out of our ass.
And you were all completely ridiculous.
We were all colluding in this game, you know, like how when you're playing hide-and-go-seek with a three-year-old and she covers her eyes and you say, I can't see you because you've covered your eyes.
I mean, we were all colluding in this absolute fantasy league football of nonsense that, you know, we pretended to make you promises that we could pay for and you pretended to believe them and then you voted for us.
And there was no conceivable way that this could be sustained, and the media was in on it, and the movies were in on it, and the songs were in on it, and everyone was in on it.
Everyone was just pretending.
Extend and pretend.
Let's extend the debts, extend the loans, extend the credit, and let's pretend that we can pay even a dime on the dollar of what we owe.
And there's no politician that's coming along and saying that.
Basic reality that, come on, I mean, you've got to be kidding me.
This is why I don't go into politics.
I'd say 1% of the truth that people need to hear.
I mean, that would be it for my political career.
People have become extraordinarily wed to fantasy.
They've become extraordinarily wed to unreality.
Absolute, mad, crazy, delusional, like they'd lock you up if you're the only person who will do this, right?
I make $150,000 a year.
I'm in debt for $15 billion.
I'm sure I'll be able to pay you.
That would be stuff that would be like, sorry, you need a rubber room and some Thorazine up your ass.
So, in Europe, there's been this mass delusion since the Second World War.
And before that, but basically it's this mass delusion that...
Somehow magic is going to happen.
Somehow magic is going to happen and all of this madness is going to be payable.
It's not.
It's absolutely not.
It's never going to happen.
People need to get that through their heads right now.
But they don't want to believe it.
I mean, you talk about any kind of austerity and everyone goes insane.
And so, to me, the migrant crisis, which is still to come, I believe, but the migrant crisis as it stands, is the shadow cast by the self-delusion of the Europeans.
The self-delusion that they can...
Not have children, but have their pensions, even though they know.
Everybody knows.
The government takes money from you.
It does not use it.
It doesn't put it in a lockbox.
It's not there secure.
It doesn't tie it to the belly of a yak and send it off into the wilderness so that no one can take it.
The government takes money from you for your pensions, spends it on you, but uses it as collateral to pretend that it can generate wealth, right?
I mean, it looks like I'm working as long as my visa doesn't run out of money or run out of credit.
And so...
In the West, everybody had this belief, well, you know, we don't have to have any kids, and I'm sure our economy will go really fine.
And not having kids is perfectly fine.
Just understand that if you don't have kids, you shouldn't have a pension, because that's how the pension gets paid, is they tax the kids to pay for the pension.
So if you don't feel like it, if it's too much work for you, if it's too difficult for you, then that's fine.
But then recognize that if, you know, and the politicians should be saying this.
They should be saying, well, you all didn't have kids, so there's no money.
There's no one to tax for your pensions.
Sorry, you know, but you had fun not having kids, didn't you?
You saved yourself a lot of money and didn't have to get up in the middle of the night, didn't get leaky, didn't get squishy, don't have stretch marks, less cellulite.
So you had a great time not having kids, but everything comes at a price.
And if you don't have kids, then there's a big hollowing out of the economy.
There's not enough of a tax base to sustain your pensions, so hello, cat food coupons, because that's where you're heading.
But of course, you know, with the exception of Trump, there's not a politician out there, and maybe a couple of people in the West.
But there aren't politicians out there talking much about how the economy is completely unsustainable, and it's a fantasy ride off a Thelma and Louise cocaine trip of a cliff.
And so, if...
If things come to a head with this migrant crisis, I've certainly heard the argument that Lebanon brought a bunch of refugees in and ended up with a civil war to one degree.
If this is the way it goes, I hope it isn't, but I'm not going to give a percentage of my hope.
Then you're going to get the kind of crisis that means that the European governments don't Have to pay off their bills.
Right?
I mean, because there'll be enough of a crisis that people will say, oh, forget my pension.
I just, you know, want to make it through to next week.
So, the migrant crisis, to me, this is just my personal opinion, is a reflection of the Europeans' thirst for falsehoods,
for lies, for For their inability to process the basic realities of their national debts, for their inability to process the basic unworkability of something like the EU. Yeah, fine, have the EU, but then you have to have fiscal restraint.
And of course, the whole point of the EU was what?
Deficits weren't supposed to be more than 3% of you, right?
Nobody cares, doesn't matter.
Let's just grab onto Germany's interest rates and suck it dry.
And so you get addicted to unreality.
And you get exploited.
And you get addicted to unreality.
And your civilization is going to face some challenges.
And I think that, to me, is not...
The migrant crisis is not a cause.
It is a symptom of white Western Europeans' addiction to unreality.
Which...
It has a bunch of causes which we don't have to get into right now.
I've talked about them before.
But I think that to me is the closest I can get to what's going on, if that makes any sense.
Yeah, I know that I looked up, I think it was Hungry or One of these countries that repaid their debt after some severe austerity measures, and they paid it back ahead of schedule when they actually cut everything.
I'm not sure with Sweden how big their debt is, but I know that they've tried to have their banks separate from the EU banks, but I've seen...
When I talk to people here, they say that Hillary's policies are going to be helping the banks in Sweden, and I just tell them, well, look at what Hillary's policies have done with Libya, with Iraq, with Syria, and now Everything that's coming up through the migrant crisis is because of her policies.
Somebody else mentioned about what she did to Yugoslavia back in the day.
That also kind of took me aback because I didn't even think that far back.
I think it was that Secret Service agent you were talking to, how Hillary and Bill, they both had the same type of way of handling Foreign policy where Bill with the Black Hawk Down situation, he just didn't send in enough money or whatever troops or equipment that they needed.
And then same thing with Hillary in Libya.
She didn't send in the people to save Ambassador and all those others.
And I just...
I give that argument and people don't know what to say here.
They're just like, well, what should we do?
And I'm just like, how about focusing on putting blame where it belongs?
Whether it's the French government or the American government going into the Middle East, even though, let's say, France democratically voted to stay out of the Middle East and the government went in anyways, it's like, well, then ISIS threatened to do those attacks, just like that guy in Orlando threatened to attack because his home country was under attack.
I see it and I try to spread it as much as I can and talk to people as much as I can about it and try to put blame and get them to realize what we're doing and what's going on.
Like you said, America hasn't declared war since World War II and yet we freely go through all those Middle Eastern countries and a lot of other places people don't know where we're at.
It's like, why?
Why are you there?
And you just want them to stop it.
Just get the hell out of there.
It's none of your business.
Just leave it alone.
And these people will stop attacking you because those that like Switzerland and hasn't had any terrorist attacks and They have been threatened though, but I know what you mean.
They haven't joined the war, so therefore the terrorists haven't actually done any attacks against them.
That's where I stand.
Just leave these people alone.
Let them solve things without bombs blowing up over their heads.
Just leave them alone.
Things like Brexit going on where they're establishing that they want their independence again.
They want their choice with their borders and it's inspiring.
But when you It's like everybody just sits there and says, oh, it's so horrible.
And I ask them, why?
Why is it so horrible?
They don't know why.
They have no argument.
I love your Ben Garrison.
Ben Garrison's pictures of you deflecting all those adjectives or adverbs and You know, oh, it's a racist, sexist, or whatever, and you're just like, you know, not an argument.
And it's so true.
It's like, I asked, well, what did Trump say to this reporter that you think is so bad?
What about his policies don't you like?
And they can't say.
They're just like, he's a racist.
I'm like, well, what?
What does he do?
They're like, oh, he's racist against Muslims.
And I'm like, well...
Islam isn't a race, so what is it?
When you actually get past it and get past the emails and you say, well, Russia wasn't behind all the emails being leaked, you know?
What's actually talked?
What's in the emails now?
They don't have any answer for it.
It's like they want to say, well, the person that They want to kill the messenger, and why?
You just want to throw the body on the floor and then just run for it.
It just doesn't make sense why people that follow mainstream media, they just get so caught up in the drama of things, and they don't have any facts that they're relying on.
Yeah, and this is where we are in general in the West, and with some exceptions.
I mean, the listeners to this show and other people who are really challenging the narratives and doing some fantastic work that way.
I'm thinking about, of course, people like Mike Srinovich, Charles C. Johnson, Milo, and some of the Bill Whittle stuff and all.
I mean, people are really challenging.
There's lots of audiences out there who want the facts, who want the truth.
Yeah, I think it was Bill Whittles.
The vast majority of people, they don't even want to think.
Like, thinking is a threat to them.
Thinking is a challenge to them.
Thinking is something that they run the opposite.
Thinking is a predator to their brittle house of cards set of inherited or indoctrinated mere opinions.
And so the idea that we would subjugate the contents of our brain to facts, reason, evidence, and reality is anathema to...
A majority of people in the West.
And how hard is it to win a sword fight with a blind man?
Well, not that hard if, you know, he just suddenly wrapped something around his eyes and hasn't practiced.
So, yeah, you can blind yourself.
You can reject reality.
You can reject truth.
You can reject reason.
You can join the mob and you can hunt down the rational people in your society and take them to task and call them out and set fire to them in pyres and all that.
And all that means is that your society is doomed.
That's all.
I mean, that's all that means.
And you can give up on reality, but that doesn't mean that reality is going to change to your whims.
So that, of course, is the price that we pay for, I don't know, a couple of hundred years of irrational philosophy that has subjugated the individual to the group, the reality to subjectivism, facts to feelings.
And we're now rudderless in a high wind.
But anyway, I'm going to move on to the next caller.
Thank you so much.
It was very, very interesting to get this information.
I certainly wish you the best, and thank you so much for taking the time to call in.
All right.
Take care.
Alright, up next we have Diane.
Diane wrote in and said, Is acknowledging our specific deficiencies and differences as people divisive or helpful?
From anecdotal experience, I find myself questioning whether or not it helps to know the truth, especially when we're talking about genetic trends.
To give a less touchy example, does it help a young girl growing up without a father to make better decisions if she knows that there's a strong likelihood she will make bad decisions due to his absence in most cases?
Or are you accepting the behavior slash likelihood by acknowledging the trend?
That's from Diane.
Hi, Diane.
How are you doing?
Hi, I'm doing well.
How are you, Steph?
Well, thank you.
Yes, I have heard this perspective before, which is not to rob you of your unique individuality, but do you want to expand more on the question?
Sure.
I'm not necessarily advocating for hiding the truth in any case.
So it's not like a not knowing is sometimes better.
At least that's not what I'm trying to say.
I'm not necessarily settled on either perspective.
It's just it seems to me in cases where things have happened to you, Where you're not the person who has initiated, you know, it's happening like, you know, the genetic hand you're dealt, you have absolutely no say in.
If your father, you know, is absentee or just, you know, decides he doesn't care about you or you're adopted or whatever, you don't have a say in those kinds of things.
And in my own personal experience, which I know is not, you know, empirical by any means, it does seem that the knowledge of that impact Is not helpful to those individuals.
Even in my own specific personal experience with different things that have happened to me, I feel even the knowing and trying to be objective about it and understanding how things have impacted the way that I make decisions and the way that I view my position in the world and all that stuff, I can say I see how these are connected.
But it doesn't keep me from actually making those decisions and feeling that way a lot of the time.
And I have a growing concern not so much about people knowing and better understanding themselves, but of how that knowledge is going to potentially be used to create division and focus on things that I don't think are The most important in life and in our society and are actually not going to be conducive to us unifying and moving towards any kind of productive,
you know, society in any sense, really.
That's quite a it's quite a dance.
All right.
It's quite quite a delicate dance around some delicate topics.
So let's just take your your example.
Does it help a young girl growing up without a father to make better decisions if she knows that there's a strong likelihood?
She will make bad decisions due to his absence, right?
So you're talking about withholding information from someone because it might make them feel bad, it might make the woman feel bad.
And it's interesting that your example was a female, but you're a female, sorry.
So should we withhold information from people because it might make them feel upset in the short run?
Well, I wasn't.
I'm doing a delicate dance again.
You'll have to forgive me.
Let's not.
Let's just be blunt.
Let's just talk about this young girl.
Let's just be blunt about it, right?
Well, because the focus that I have on this is not so much that the information isn't available, it's how much are you putting it in people's faces.
So in the sense that, you know, let's say I have a friend who, you know, father's not around and I see her daddy issues.
It's plain as day to me.
You know, I maybe would not make the decision to say, hey, maybe you're, you know, really easy to sleep with or you're constantly doing these kinds of things because you're angry at your dad.
You know, instead, I would more than likely because I'm a woman, I don't want to hurt someone's feelings.
You know, that's fair.
I don't want to go and say, hey, you have daddy issues because I don't want to also give her an incentive to be like, well, I've been screwed over by my dad and so I have these issues already.
I'm just going to keep making the decisions, you know, and if anything feel validated almost because there's an explanation now for why the bad behavior is going on.
Well, Do we say that to smokers?
Do we say to smokers, oh, well, we better withhold from you the dangers of smoking and its association with emphysema, lung cancer, and other problems.
We're going to withhold all this information because we don't want you to say, oh, well, I'm a smoker.
I guess I'm doomed already.
I guess I'll double down on my smoking, right?
We don't want to manipulate people.
We just give them the information, right?
Give them the information, and if they screw it up, so what?
You know, does that mean we withhold information?
Does it mean we don't have tests because some kids are going to fail?
Does it mean we don't have races because some kids are going to trip or some kids are going to be fat and slow?
Do we not have modeling agencies because it's going to make some women feel or some men feel...
Less pretty?
Do we not have great actors because then bad actors can't get a role and they'll feel bad?
I mean, where on earth would that possibly stop?
We give the facts.
And the reason why I'm sort of more emphatic about this is as a white male...
As a white male, nobody ever decided to withhold information from me about my privilege and my patriarchy and my apparent misogyny and whatever it is, right?
Nobody said, well, you know, we better really worry about the feelings of those white males because, boy, you know, they're pretty sensitive and we don't want to, you know, like I was reading this article the other day, and it's a very typical article, and the article goes something like this.
People support Trump because they're white, they're male, they're scared, they're angry, and they don't like diversity.
They're afraid that minorities now have a voice in their country and they're lashing it.
Just made up nonsense and all that.
And nobody's sitting there and saying, well, we better not say this, even if this was true.
It's not.
But if it was true...
Is anyone saying, well, you know, we really shouldn't publish this article because it's really going to make those white male bigots feel bad, right?
I mean, so, you know, if we're going to have this rule, it would be nice if it was occasionally applied to white males as well as everyone else.
But given that it's not, I don't really care about how other people feel bad because facts are bad.
Okay, well let me maybe give you a slightly different example because I'm not trying to say that a light should never be shined on things that just seem to be realities, you know, when you're just studying the data and trends and whatever.
One of the main people that, you know, kind of stimulated this question for me.
And I only recently discovered IQ trends through listening to your show.
It was not something I ever spent any time thinking about.
I always was just like, people are people and there really, you know, there's no rhyme to reason to it.
You know, I was just a young, ignorant kid, whatever.
So I am friends with a young black girl.
And she has failed out of nursing school twice.
And you can imagine through, you know, loans being so easy to get and her being a minority and a woman, you know, she's just never going to be denied.
She could go again.
And they would not deny her.
They would reissue the loan, you know, despite the fact that she's clearly demonstrated that she doesn't have the capability, whether that's, you know, due to her, you know, genetic hand or not, she's obviously not capable of competing in that environment.
It's clear she's failed twice.
What I would suggest in my thinking, because I heard you talk about this, that if we just removed a lot of the principles that are in place that are allowing people to live in fantasies, because you can just go borrow money with no consequence and with no qualification, And then you don't have to self-examine and you don't have to say, why am I not doing well?
Because you can just go back again and keep trying and it's not my money anyway, so who cares?
It's just the attitude of most young people these days.
If we took that away where she would still have to demonstrate more Be more of a positive investment for a bank, you know, back when loans were privatized and stuff.
And, you know, she maybe would have had her submit to an IQ test if they, you know, were aware of, you know, certain trends within groups and stuff.
And it was harder for her to get into this situation where she is set up to fail.
You know, she is.
If those things already existed where the free market was weeding out and not really letting people get artificially put in these situations where they can't succeed, then it happens anyway without you necessarily being like, oh, it's, you know, just likely because you're black.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
Yeah, no, I mean, I understand it.
I mean, let's take a sort of slightly different example just so I can talk about it more personally, right?
So, as I've talked about on this show before, Asians score very high.
In sort of math, right?
And in particular, in language abilities, Ashkenazi Jews are through the roof, right?
Like two standard deviations sometimes above whites, right?
So let's say that I was going into a language course that was populated by a lot of Ashkenazi Jews, right?
Or let's say I was going into a math course that was populated by a lot of Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and so on, right?
Would I want to know that For whatever reason, these groups had higher skill scores than my group on average.
That the Asians would be better at math, that the Ashkenazi Jews would be better at language skills and so on.
Would I want to know that?
Well, yes, I would want to know that for a variety of reasons.
Number one, I can say, okay, well, if the bell curve is that they're going to be higher on the bell curve than me, then I'm going to have to work a hell of a lot harder.
To make it, right?
And that could be great.
I could end up being better because of that, right?
Like the old argument that if someone says to you, hey, you've got a family history of heart defects that show up or heart disease that shows up in your 40s, and then you say, okay, well, I'm going to eat well, I'm going to exercise and keep my weight down, all that kind of good stuff.
And then as a result, you end up healthier than somebody who didn't even have this potential heart problem, right?
It doesn't mean, like, if I say, well, you know, I may have some deficiencies relative to these other groups, that doesn't mean I can't do it.
It just means that I recognize that I may have a deficiency.
Or, on average, of course, I could go in and be the very best mathematician among all the Asians.
I could be the very best playwright among all of the Jews.
Like, it doesn't...
These are all trends in large populations.
You can't apply these to sort of every individual circumstance or situation.
But, the other thing, the last thing I'll say about this is that, let's say...
That I believed that all of the Asians in the math class hated big-nosed foreign people.
They just hated white people.
And how would that help me to process problems that I might be having in the class?
Because if there was a problem, if I was failing to compete, if I was failing to do well...
And I had a friend many years ago who was like top of...
The deal.
This wasn't in my high school, but another high school.
He was top of the deal in high school math.
Like he was the kind of guy who would get like 104% bonus questions.
Like he was top of the heap.
And he didn't really have to work at it.
He was just really, really good at it.
And so he was so confident that he went to a university out west and he decided to take a math and physics double major.
And it turns out the fact that high school was so easy for him with regards to math and physics was not a good thing because he hadn't developed humility or hard work habits and so on.
So he went from being, you know, big fish in a little pond to little fish in a big pond and flunked out.
Just couldn't make it.
Now, because he was white, he didn't have, I don't know, it's racism or whatever it is, some sort of thing that would...
Not help him in terms of his future life endeavors.
Because if he sort of were to blame his crashing out of those courses because of racism, then that racism would be everywhere he went.
It wouldn't be specific to that course and his abilities and the competition and this, that, and the other.
It would be everywhere he went.
And those kinds of issues are really, really important.
As soon as you give people some systemic excuse, you are taking something that Maybe a one-time thing in one particular area, and you're making it something much more universal.
Right?
So...
If I go to Japan and I flunk out of Japanese math school or something, or I just don't do well or whatever, and then I think it's not because I lack abilities or not because there are bell curves in abilities across different ethnicities, but because...
Those Japanese people are just horribly racist towards white people.
Well, let's say I can't leave Japan for whatever reason, then everywhere I go, I can't find anywhere I can succeed because everywhere I go is going to be anti-white racism from the Japanese, right?
Right.
I understand what you're saying in the whole crutch seeking and how that's an issue.
And I'm more seeing...
And again, I'm not trying to say people shouldn't be doing studies or the knowledge shouldn't be collected, but I see a rise in In actual, I guess the white nationalism that I feel is going to start leaning on a lot of this data as a reason to really actually discriminate where we have never in the past,
like I think it will happen in Europe as well.
Because we see these very startling trends, and instead of focusing on saying, okay, let's let the country naturally compete, because in your scenarios, you know, you were playing it out like there had to be a crutch somewhere to lean on, you know, and that is true in a lot of ways because of all the social narratives we have going, we're offering people excuses for why they're failing constantly.
And, you know, I personally see if we're spending too much time focusing on the fact that A lot of these different things are, you know, pick an ethnic group and then pick a deficiency, whatever.
Then we're focused on that instead of saying, okay, well, we know that there are exceptions in individuals who are not going to fall into those trends, so how can we just have our society laid out where people can fall where they actually should?
You know, instead of...
But that's just a free society, right?
I mean, that's just a free society.
And I still, you know, I was talking about this with Bill Whittle.
I have significant optimism that there are ways to close the IQ gap between, say, blacks and Asians or blacks and Ashkenazi Jews or blacks and whites.
We were talking about charter schools, that they've closed up to a third of a standard deviation.
And again, there may be explanations for that that are less environmental, but I have some optimism as ways to do it.
And the way to do it is to have a free society, a free society where The parents are able to choose the schools for their children, are able to get the best quality education for their children.
These are all things that would do enormous good into closing off some of these disparities because for reasons we've talked about on this show before, right now it tends to be self-perpetuating and self-reinforcing.
How far can that go?
I don't know.
But these things need to be talked about because if there are, as there seem to be, genetic differences between But if these things can't be talked about, and massive policies are being enacted, which basically say that all deficiencies, say, in the Hispanic community arise from white racism, when there are, as we talked about with Dr.
Jason Richwine on this show, there are some indications that Hispanics, or I guess you could say Mestizos, Have slightly lower IQs than, say, Asians.
If everything is going to be explained away by mere racism, then what happens is there is a terrible injustice that is occurring.
And that terrible injustice is occurring against white people who are being called racist for things which are not the fault of white people, which is human biodiversity.
And so the idea that if we keep this information suppressed, somehow we get a...
It's not the case.
We need facts to consistently be introduced into the public sphere of discourse.
We need facts to be introduced consistently, especially when they're really important facts.
And when people push facts out of the public discourse, they don't solve problems.
They don't solve problems.
It's like not going to the doctor when you have an ailment.
It doesn't solve the problem.
It generally tends to make it worse and of course getting facts into the public discourse allows us to have a civilized discussion before tempers get so short that more radical solutions are proposed or more aggressive solutions are proposed which is what we don't want in society.
We want to have honest conversations based on facts so that we can avoid the kind of extremities that occur when facts are suppressed for too long and people get incredibly frustrated and alienated and angry Right.
Well, I guess that last part is really where I have my hesitation and not about them never being talked about or never being introduced or anything like that.
But I was talking with my husband about this and I gave the example because I had just listened to one of your podcasts with Box Day.
And it, you know, had me asking a lot of questions myself, you know, about how I perceived these other ethnic groups because I went from, you know, being somebody who really didn't think that there were trends amongst groups of people to, you know, totally having the veil ripped away.
So, you know, we all know, and it's an undeniable truth that Black, specifically Black men, commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime.
You know, you've done plenty of presentations on this.
The left will see that and say, oh, well, it's because of systemic racism and, you know, slavery and all this stuff.
And, you know, we just need to funnel more money into the welfare system or whatever to, you know, solve that issue.
You know, we're going to use more government to, you know, solve this problem that they pretend government and, you know, assist in creating.
Then you have the white nationalism, which I think is gaining traction.
And leaning a little bit more towards being less reasonable, maybe, than Vox Day was about it.
At least that's the tenor that I'm getting from the internet, which, you know, maybe isn't the best example.
Look, I don't know much about white nationalism, but what do you find...
Less reasonable about it.
Oh, look at this.
I'm going to put you on the spot.
Well, let me finish the analogy really quick.
That might explain to you what I see as being the problem, just specifically with that.
They'll see that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime and say, well, there are all these genetic reasons.
That can explain that, and that's true.
There is a lot of genetic information that we see in the lack of impulse control, the inability to defer gratification, and these different reproductive strategies that have been adapted into the geographical locations they're from, you know, however long.
There's a lot of very deeply ingrained things that are coming out, you know, as we're shining a light on them because we, you know, can't escape.
Well, and sorry, just very briefly as well, the welfare state by subsidizing births by the least responsible people in society tends to be dumbing down the population as a whole.
This is occurring across all ethnicities.
But sorry, go ahead.
Right, of course.
And that removes the last form of natural selection that we have since modern medicine.
You know, we're literally funding the...
And using modern medicine to preserve the negative reproductive strategies and the lower successful or who would be the lower likely to success, you know, on these end.
So someone who's, I guess, in between white nationalism and conservatism, you know, maybe more on the side of libertarian, not quite the practical anarchist, I think is what you call it, for you would say, okay, well, there are definitely these genetic contributing factors, but there is also This bigger problem that we can actually do something about that has to do with government, you know, that has to do with welfare and all these other things.
Because I feel and I'm seeing because of all of these Negative cultures that are being brought into the West, period.
You know, your last call with the guy from, or who is, I don't know if he was Swedish or just working in Sweden, you know, is a perfect example.
Like, you know, you have all these ignorant Westerners who are now being confronted with this awful, horrible culture of, you know, people who are just nothing like them whatsoever.
And then in response to that, instead of saying, okay, well, maybe we really need to focus more on having A totally different approach as a government and as a society overall within our own country, they start to swing towards, well,
white people have done everything, you know, whites have the superior genetics and, you know, and Asians, you know, tack on the et al there and the Jews and whatever, you know, and they start to focus more on just the division instead of saying, well, a lot of you are here and can't, nothing can be done about that.
We have a bunch of Black Americans that are generations then having been here, what are we going to do?
Just like deport them back to Africa because they commit the majority of the crimes?
Like that's not a solution.
You know, we need to be focusing more on saying, okay, there might be these trends, but how can we, you know, actually change the government and society to let things happen naturally instead of just zeroing in because we're frustrated and angry and people are constantly in our Because they're doing that.
And I sympathize with white males who are just so angry because nobody listens to them and nobody gives a damn about them anymore.
And so they're just like, you know what?
Screw everybody else.
Oh, no, no.
It's not that nobody listens.
It's that they're constantly being insulted, attacked, and blamed for everything that goes wrong in the world.
And nobody listening would be a vast improvement.
Nobody paying attention would be a vast improvement.
Well, so I mean...
Yeah, no, I mean, it's worse than indifference or neglect would be a huge step in the right direction.
So, you know, I mean, I've done a bunch of videos that, you know, encourage Minority parents, in particular black parents, not to spank.
Because according to the research, the warrior gene is much more prevalent among black kids and particularly black males.
And so we don't want to use spanking or physical aggression at any times, but in particular in that population.
And we've had some great response from black families who've taken that approach and noticed things getting much better.
And so...
I'm certainly doing what I can do and taking the bullets that I can take in order to try and bring better information to groups that otherwise...
Won't get that information, right?
I mean, is it more helpful to say to black families, well, you know, your kids are just going to be subjected to systemic, horrible white racism from now until the end of time, and there's nothing you can do about it other than, I don't know, burn down a store from time to time.
I mean, or is it to say, you know, well, what would be very helpful for your kids is if you give up on corporal punishment and reason with your kids and so on.
That's going to help a lot.
And yeah, there may still be racism, but let's say you can't do anything about that.
Here's something you can do.
To empower.
Is that better?
Is that more helpful?
Is that something that's going to solve the problem?
Well, yeah, I would say so.
Secondly, I don't know where you're getting information about sort of white nationalism or this alt-right stuff.
I mean, if it's going to be Twitter accounts, it may not be representing the full spectrum of the thought about it.
But there are reasons to be concerned about different ethnicities' abilities to live together in peace and harmony and productivity and happiness and so on.
And that is a challenge.
We're going to have to look at this.
And everybody knows that there are differences and frictions between ethnicities.
And for the last 50-odd years, the answer has been white racism.
White racism, white racism, white racism.
No other problems, only white racism.
And all other information about ethnic differences in IQ, ethnic differences in culture, ethnic differences in family composition – Like, if you just normalize for single motherhood, the black and white crime disparity largely disappears.
There are similar races that have significant conflicts that aren't racial-based.
I mean, if you look at Northern and Southern Ireland, I mean, all whites.
And, you know, if you look at Europe, pretty much white and white.
Two world wars in 50-odd years or 60-odd years.
So if you look at the Arabs, we were talking about this as the Swedish guy, right?
The Arabs fighting Arabs and so on.
Human beings are tribal.
We're a tribal species.
We are a tribal species.
Some of that shows up in culture.
Some of that shows up in language.
Some of that shows up in history.
Some of that shows up in ethnicity.
And some of that shows up in gender, in that female in-group preference category.
It's pretty significant, which makes women a kind of inward focusing and inward promoting tribe, and men used to until they got the ball smashed out of them by political correctness and cultural Marxism, but that's a topic for another time.
But human beings are tribal...
We always have been.
Maybe we will in the future.
Maybe we won't.
And we know this, right?
Because even those who talk about multiculturalism as the Shangri-La and the promised land for all time are themselves fiercely in-group preference and fiercely tribal, right?
So as I've mentioned before, all the people at the New York Times who are largely on the left, almost exclusively on the left, almost exclusively vote Democrat, they're going to hire other Democrats.
They're going to hire other people who think like them.
And they're going to have their own little tribe of people who are on the left and people who vote Democrat and people who think that Donald Trump is like the reincarnation of Satan's armpit or something.
And they're going to hire people like themselves and they're going to keep people who are unlike themselves away.
So even the people who promote this sort of multiculturalism, they have no interest in saying, wow, you know, we really better get a bunch of Republicans in here because, boy, you know, it's just terrible that we're all thinking the same way but not multicultural enough, right?
They don't, you know, they're willing to hire anyone who votes left, I guess you could say.
I remember reading some article about there was some, I don't know, one of these social science places in university and The guy came in to interview them, and they were all Democrats and lefties and so on.
And he said, why don't you have any Republicans in here?
And they said, well, two reasons.
One, they're just not that interested.
And two, they really can't cut it intellectually, and they're just not smart enough.
And he said, oh, that's interesting.
Is there any other group that you would say that about?
Blacks, Muslims, women, would you say, well, they're not that interested in practice, just not smart enough.
And of course, everything went silent, right?
Because that was their tribe.
Everyone's got a tribe.
Everyone's got a tribe.
And this...
Basic reality of human existence, that even those who say multiculturalism, diversity is of value, they're not interested in diversity.
They're not interested in any of that kind of stuff.
They want people around themselves who think like themselves.
It's the lunchroom test, you know, how do people congregate in the lunchroom where you can't force to sign seating.
It's the church test, like 90% of churches in America are either one race or another.
It's the Chinatown test, you know, like if you've just come over from China...
Where do you want to go and live?
You want to go and live in Chinatown or Little Italy or Greektown or wherever it's going to be.
And, you know, maybe over time things can blend and all that.
But the reality is we are a tribal species and...
In-group preferences are significant and important.
It's the whole reason why we evolved, is that you have in-group preferences.
You tend to prefer people who are genetically closer to yourself than people who are more distant from yourself genetically, in general.
And again, this is lots of differences and lots of people who like reaching across the aisle and all that.
But anybody who says, I care for any random stranger's child as much as my own child, is either insane or just lying.
Because we care for our own children more than we care for the children of strangers because they're genetically closer to us.
And so all of this is basic reality that used to be accepted and like all...
If you aim to destroy a civilization, all you need to do is replace common sense with delusion.
All you need to do is replace common sense with delusion, and that civilization will fall.
And it may take generations, but it will happen inevitably.
And the way that you do it is you viciously attack people for stating basic truths, basic realities.
You just viciously attack them for stating basic realities, and then people shy away from it.
You know, as we talked about with a guy in Sweden.
You know, it's considered libel, is it, to have hesitations about the migrant crisis or migrant program?
Okay, so people will stop talking about it because they don't want to go to jail.
Well...
That just accelerates.
It hits the gas on the unraveling because when you punish people for speaking the truth, you are damning your civilization to disaster and decay.
So I think for...
I don't know about the alt-rights and I don't know about white nationalism.
I don't really know much about certainly the white nationalists.
I'm having a show or two about the alt-right.
But people are getting pretty sick and tired of being called racist all the time.
Sorry, you know, pretty sick and tired of being called racist all the time.
People are getting pretty sick and tired of seeing other ethnic groups disproportionately consume welfare and their tax dollars and work less, and they're just getting tired of it.
And the solution to this is, to me, bring honest conversations about race, however uncomfortable it can be about ethnicity, bring these honest conversations into the mainstream.
I don't have a huge amount of hope that that's going to happen, but that's what needs to happen.
And, um...
What happens if this conversation is suppressed for long enough?
Well, we know this from before, right?
If you hold down a helium balloon long enough and then eventually you're going to get tired and let it go and then it's going to pop up pretty hard.
So the more this conversation is suppressed, the more the people are pushed back into the corners and screamed at for bringing basic facts, for bringing basic issues or basic problems to...
trying to bring those basic issues and problems.
And pain!
You know, there's pain in all ethnicities at the moment.
I mean, the Asians feel excluded, the whites feel traumatized, the blacks feel oppressed, the Mexicans feel hunted.
I mean, there is a lot of frustration and...
Upset among ethnicities.
We know that there are certain cultures that work pretty well when they are monocultural or mono-ethnic, right?
If you look at South Korea, it's like 99 plus percent all the same race and group and seems to be working, you know, pretty well.
I mean, one of the lowest crime rates in the world, especially for the big cities.
And so there is frustration.
Everybody's frustrated.
And at some point, people are either going to have to have an honest conversation, or there's going to be conflict.
And I'm, of course, hoping to the very depths of my soul that conflict can be avoided.
But yeah, people are getting pretty goddamn sick of all of this stuff.
Whenever you bring up anything that's not politically correct, you're simply called a racist, and you're attacked, and people will try and get you fired, and people will attack the source of your income.
And it's like, okay, okay, so we're not allowed to have this conversation.
Okay.
So, if we're not allowed to have this conversation, does that mean basic reality is suspended?
It does not.
You know, you don't have to have conversations about how to pay off the national debt or what needs to – it doesn't mean that the numbers are going to change.
It just means that instead of flying with radar and a compass, you're now just flying with duct tape over your window and four ounces of scotch in your chest.
Did I put it asleep?
No.
Okay.
Yeah, look, we have honest conversations about gender and race, and we get lots of different races calling in, women are calling in, because here's a place where we can talk without, I think, people getting hysterical about basic information.
But sorry, go ahead.
Right.
Well, I definitely don't disagree with anything that you said, and I'm not for hiding things just for people's feelings, even though maybe in my personal life I won't throw that.
It's somebody because I'm just a woman.
I think that's a womanly thing to not want to hurt somebody's feelings.
That's your personal friend or relation or whatever.
Well, no, hang on, hang on, hang on.
Because that creates this false dichotomy that women don't want to hurt people's feelings, but men do.
Come on.
If I say to someone who thinks they're a great singer that they sound terrible, Am I doing them a favor?
No, it's not about that either.
I'm not saying that my approach to that would necessarily be right and yours would be wrong, but on what was that singing show, to use your example, where you had the British guy who was always a jerk.
American Irish.
Yeah, right, right.
Simon Cowell.
I'm honoring one of his t-shirts today.
Oh, jeez.
I never really watched it, but I know that he was infamous for saying the tough thing.
And there would be a chick there.
William Hung comes on and does this, I don't know, retarded version of She Bangs.
And they're like, dog, you're terrible.
You can't sing, you can't dance, you know, like don't do it.
Of course he's right, but you still see that dichotomy right there in the panel because then it goes right to the woman, whoever it was at the time, who would then be like, well, you know, we all know that she's thinking, yes, Simon, everything you said is completely true.
But I'm going to softball it.
Yes, but it's not kind.
It's not kind.
No, I don't want to hurt people's feelings.
No, you need to tell people the truth about what their abilities are.
You could reframe that as that, I really like to waste people's time by encouraging them to do things they're bad at.
Well, you don't have to go back full circle now to the original reason that I called the young girl who's my friend.
Instead of saying, maybe you're just not smart enough to pass nursing school, which maybe somebody who cared about her more maybe would have said that, if you want to put it that way.
Maybe I really don't care about doing her a favor because I can't tell her the truth, which I just tried to encourage her not to go to school for a while and to just work a real job and to try to figure out what it is she wanted to do and kind of find her own way without taking more financial risks.
So I maybe did not do the right thing.
I'm not trying to say that's what it was.
I was only saying, I feel anyway, in my personal experience, women are far more likely To sugarcoat it or divert your attention than say the painfully true blunt thing, which is oftentimes, you're correct, better to do.
I wasn't saying it was better to do it the way— That's why there are not a lot of female football coaches.
You suck!
I mean, they're just not going to be as blunt as people need.
It's not that I was saying that this is a bad thing that men do that.
I think that there is a pretty clear gender difference there, for the most part, that women are more than likely not going to be brutal to you, even if that's what you need to hear some of the time.
And obviously, some women will.
Obviously, I will sometimes.
But a lot of the time with just some of my personal acquaintances who aren't my family, I might hesitate with how truthful I get with them.
And that's maybe a personal flaw.
No, no, but see, and you'll hear this when you, I hope you'll listen back to this, and I mean this with all positivity and affection, but the way you phrase it, I choose not to be brutal.
Or I don't want to be brutal.
See, again, that's brutal, right?
And, you know, earlier when you said, you know, I just don't want to hurt people's feelings.
The way that you frame it for yourself is that it's nice to do what you do.
And it's not nice.
It's brutal to do what men do.
And I'm not criticizing.
I'm just pointing that we talked about female in-group preference.
And naturally, you're going to frame what you do as a woman in a more positive light than what men do.
As men.
You know, if we're going to take this big dichotomy of like women, well, spoonful of sugar kind of stuff, whereas men are more, as you say, brutal and willing to hurt people's feelings and so on.
But you have a way of describing this behavior that is positive towards women and negative towards men.
And I'm not criticizing, I'm just pointing this out.
It's quite natural, right?
Like if I were to say, well, Women are cowardly, manipulative, and men just tell the truth, right?
You would experience that as, well, wait a minute.
That seems a bit one-sided way to describe it, right?
And if you say, well, men are brutal and like to hurt people's feelings, and I don't like to hurt people's feelings, and I like to be tactful and diplomatic, that's another way of putting it that is, you know, not terribly nuanced.
I understand what you're saying, but it probably isn't.
True, actually.
I do believe that women are cowardly and manipulative, and this is why we're not very good at moving society forward and innovating and going to war and doing all these other things.
So maybe I phrased it in a way that was more kind to me and gave that impression, or to women, I guess, in general.
But ultimately, the whole reason why I was calling is not necessarily that The issue is hurt feelings, though in my personal life that influences my decisions, but in this overall umbrella of the question is not that it's hard for people to hear these truths about themselves,
but I actually am concerned that it doesn't necessarily help them a lot of the time and it gives other people I think I
understand.
So you're saying that if I say, well, you know, Chinese people tend to be short, then people who run NBA teams are never going to audition Chinese people?
I guess if you want to use that example, you know, that's fair.
And it sounds ridiculous when you put it in those terms, but...
No, no, look, these are very real questions and real issues.
Real questions and real issues.
So, no, it's not ridiculous at all.
It's not ridiculous at all.
Like, so people say with Jews that they have an in-group preference.
I think there's probably some truth in that.
You know, not for all.
And I think a third of Jews are now marrying outside the faith and so on.
Or outside the whatever we want to call Judas.
But so is that just some irrational in-group preference?
Or does someone, say, who wants to hire a writer see a Jewish name and say, okay, well, on average, Jews are fantastic with language skills, so I'm going to bring this person in.
Whereas if they see someone, I don't know, maybe they know this person is somebody from the outback Aboriginal tribes of Australia, which is some of the lowest recorded IQs on earth, if they can only have time to interview one person, who are they going to choose, right?
These are big questions.
If you have a job...
That you want to hire someone for.
And that job is really mission critical.
And, you know, you can't outsource it.
You can't delegate the responsibilities.
Whatever it is, it's like absolutely essential they be available and work hard.
And one is a young man who's unmarried.
And another is a woman who's 28 and has been married for three years and talks about wanting children.
Well, who would you be more likely to give the nod to?
The man.
Yeah, and it's not sexism.
If it was a man who was 28 years old and who had been married for two years or three years and said, I want to have kids and I really want to stay home with the kids, and there was some young woman who was gung-ho and unmarried, then you would probably want to give the job to the young woman, right?
Because, you know, it's just...
Availability.
Right.
Well, obviously, we all have to exercise some level of discrimination, you know, because it is.
It's a very heated word and nobody likes to hear it.
But, you know, that's more or less what you're doing is you're saying, okay, I'm, you know, going to take in these factors or this likelihood or this impression and I'm going to, you know, make the best decision that I possibly can for my interests, you know, as a company or whatever and as a country.
And that's not a bad thing.
It's just in the way that it's being and starting to be discussed, you know, much in part because it has been repressed for so long and hidden for so long.
And it's been hidden so that white men specifically can just take the hit for everything and the wealthy can take the hit for everything.
You know, we've created an environment that I worry these things are not going to be used For healthy discrimination, you know, which is, you know, pro-capitalism and letting things happen naturally, I think it's going to turn into real discrimination in the negative way.
That's, you know, where I've been having this issue.
Real discrimination, you mean prejudging groups based upon general characteristics?
Yes.
And on a more extreme scale.
You know, not like just saying, oh, well, you know, the likelihood is that, you know, this person with an Asian name is probably someone I should interview first for this engineering job or, you know, whatever it is than this, you know, person with a, you know, Mexican last name.
I don't know.
They might be like, oh, I would like to see the Asian first.
Maybe it goes great, maybe it doesn't.
And then maybe I'll see the other person after that if I'm not happy with the first one.
Those are all things that are unavoidable and they help move things forward a lot of the time because sometimes you have to base decisions off of the broad trends because there are two big factors.
But Diane, you have to trust the free market on this.
So let's say that the Asian guy is not a very...
Hang on, hang on.
No, but we have an aim towards a free market, right?
I mean, because if these things can't be solved in a state of freedom, they can't be solved at all, because sure as hell government coercion is going to solve them, right?
So let's say that the Asian guy is not a very good engineer, but the Mexican guy is a fantastic engineer.
Well, then the person who's going to hire the Asian guy is making a bad decision relative to the value of the Mexican guy.
And so over time, people who make bad decisions when it comes to hiring, well, their businesses tend to go out of business, which is why I put so much time and effort into hiring people and interviewing them and giving them tests and all that when I was in charge of the software arm of a software company.
So if there's good reasons for the Mexican to go be hired, then whoever won't hire him, is going to be losing out a wonderful, productive, and amazing Cool employee who's going to raise the standard of everyone.
Like a really great employee will raise the standard of people around him.
You're not just hiring one person to sit in a cubicle, you're hiring a ripple effect because other people become competitive and want to do better and he raises everyone's game.
Whereas at the same time, if you hire someone who brings everyone down, it's not just that person that's productivity is a problem.
They bring everybody's productivity down because everyone kind of slows down and everyone gets resentful and all this kind of stuff, right?
So just trust the free market.
If there's good reasons to hire one person over another, You know, the only color that matters to the market is green in the long run.
And so, I'd say just trust that the free market is going to get done what needs to get done.
I would love to see people hire more minorities, but you have to make it easier to fire minorities if you want people to hire them.
Otherwise, they're going to try and avoid it because if the minority doesn't work out, they don't want to end up with some discrimination lawsuit, right?
I mean, we see this in France.
Not about minorities, but just about workers as a whole.
People hate hiring workers in France because it's almost impossible to fire them.
And so, you know, if some basketball team, let's say there was some crazy prejudiced basketball team owner, I guess we've seen that before, say, well, we're never going to have a Chinese person on this team.
Okay, well, Yao Ming will go to the competitor's team and will kick their ass, right?
Right.
No, I agree with everything you said.
It's just, I guess there's nothing can be done about it.
If you want the truth to be out there, you kind of just have to let it fall where it does.
And I do.
I just, I hope it turns to productivity in the way that the free market should operate.
It just seems like we all have been running to government so long we've, you know, forgotten, I guess.
Yeah, we still want to manipulate the outcome so people's feelings don't get hurt.
I understand all of that, and that is a wonderful and sensitive approach, and a girly approach, which, you know, I'm not criticizing, I'm just pointing out.
You should.
It's not better.
No, it's fine.
There's lovely things about it.
There's lovely things about it.
You know, there's this old Charlie Brown cartoon, I guess Peanuts cartoon, where I think it was Linus was able to predict what Charlie Brown's grandmother was going to say.
And he said, okay, Charlie Brown and Sally each take a picture to your grandmother.
I'm going to predict she's going to, and ask which is better, and your grandmother's going to say, I think they're both very nice.
Right?
And say, well, why is it, go to your grandmother and say, well, there's a Mother's Day, there's a Father's Day, why isn't there a Children's Day?
And your grandmother will say, because every day is Children's Day.
So, you know, it's nice.
It's nice stuff.
And it's a hugely wonderful part of society that women as a whole bring.
And, you know, The bluntness and time-saving element of honesty that men bring is also very, very important to society.
You know, men and women are a yin and a yang.
We both bring essential things, but we need to respect what the other Gender brings to the table as a whole.
And if we don't, then society gets really out of balance.
And, you know, what's happened is female sensibilities have just completely dominated Western civilization for the past 30 or 40 years, maybe even 50.
Female sensibilities, female sensitivity, female niceness, female take care of everyone and nobody can suffer negative consequences and all of that.
That is just completely You know, we've all crawled up the skirts of the eternal goddess mother, and I think this is one of the reasons why societies in the West are just so way out of balance.
It's the male perspective of, we tell the truth, though the skies fall.
This is what I was taught.
This is what I was taught when I was a kid.
And maybe this is why I do what I do.
I don't know.
But I just remember this.
You suck it up and tell the truth.
Tell the truth, though you get punished.
Tell the truth, though you get caned.
Tell the truth.
Though the skies fall, we tell the truth.
And...
That does not seem to be around as much anymore.
Now, everyone gets a trophy.
Everyone's supposed to have good self-esteem.
Everyone's supposed to feel proud.
Everyone's picture is great.
Everyone's doing wonderfully.
Everyone's excellent.
It's like, nope.
How on earth are we supposed to figure out where we're supposed to apply our limited time and skills and resources if everyone's told that everything they do is great?
Can I figure it out?
Well, hopefully it's not too late for men to save modern society.
I mean that seriously not...
Time will tell.
We're doing our best, but time will tell.
All right, Dan, I'm going to move on to the next caller, but you're welcome back anytime.
Thank you so much for a great, great conversation.
Have a nice day.
All right, up next is Amy.
Amy wrote in and said, many people noting the West's seeming unwillingness to defend their traditional nations believe the issue stems from pathological altruism.
Yet the anonymous conservative website, anonymous conservative friend of the show, by the way, which details RK behavior theories, clearly details R related behavior as related to narcissism.
Do you think it's possible that the current consensus is incorrect and what we're struggling with is narcissism at the level of general society?
That is from Amy.
Oh, Amy.
I don't know.
First Amy in the show.
Can I tell you, I had a real crush on a girl named Amy when I was in junior high school.
I even, I came up with a song with her.
Let me tell you.
You ready?
Amy, Amy, give me the news.
I got a bad case of loving you.
Anyway.
So yeah, that was my, uh, I don't think I ever quite broke that on her, but it was definitely there.
So, um, how are you doing tonight, Amy?
I'm doing great.
How are you?
I'm well, thank you.
Yeah.
Anonymous conservative, uh, Look him up.
Buy his book.
He's fantastic.
Or she.
Because, you know, anonymous and all.
Yeah, that's great.
It's a great website.
Yeah.
How does he...
Are related behaviors related to narcissism?
If you can just...
I vaguely remember it, but if you could bring me up to speed just a smidge and a half, I'd appreciate it.
He makes it more in the blog area, but the idea with the R... There's a lot of overlap between our related behaviors and narcissistic ones to the point where...
I mean, he's got this whole section on his blog about narcissism.
But in the sense that our related behaviors...
If we kind of pull out the rabbit analogy...
If you're a rabbit and you have all of these resources and you never need to worry about food...
Or anything real, then what narcissism does is their coping strategy is essentially to sort of change reality on themselves, right?
They're not stimulating...
It's the amygdala, right?
Did I get that right?
But they're not stimulating that part of their brain that would remember bad things.
So, in narcissism, there's this huge overlap because...
I apologize, I'm a little tired here tonight.
But, you know, in our related behavior, they don't really worry about reality too much.
You know, things just show up in their lives, so why not just keep...
Pushing reality away, and narcissism has that element to it of saying, I don't really need to deal with this reality because it's uncomfortable.
Yeah.
It also struck me with regards to the narcissism, Amy, that because of the...
Need to invest in your children from K-selected species.
And sorry for those who don't know what the hell we're talking about.
Just go to watch Gene Wars, G-E-N-E Wars, at youtube.com slash freedomainradio and then come back.
So, you know, the polar bears, the wolves, the lions, all of the K-selected larger predatory species need to invest in their young and therefore have to make sacrifices and so on.
Whereas the rabbits and the other predators Our selected species, they don't really have to make that many sacrifices for their kids, and therefore they're just going to be more selfish and so on.
Does that sort of make any sense?
And also, the pack works together, right?
The wolf pack works together to bring down the caribou or whatever they're hunting.
And so they have to work together, they have to be sensitive to each other's needs, whereas the rabbit is munching away on the grass.
They've done these studies, you know, a hawk comes down and grabs a rabbit, And the other rabbits don't even look up.
They don't care.
Yeah.
You know, it's just not me, right?
Yeah.
And I have some...
Hopefully the people in question won't hear this.
They probably wouldn't.
But I'll try to leave it as general as possible.
I have some personal experience with narcissism.
And thankfully it's not me personally, personally.
But it's pretty obvious that narcissists tend, when they interact with their children, tend to either completely ignore them.
Um, or there's this sense that they can sort of just emotionally eat away at them for all practical purposes, you know, they can turn, you know, because a child is in a vulnerable position, you know, and so if,
you know, they're trying to get rid of this reality, well, there's this child here who has real needs, but they can also be used to push away, you know, be helpful, um, So, and to me that's much more, you know, and it all ties in with that sense of, you know, it doesn't matter if we import these refugees because, you know, they're kind of all children and they're all kind of the same.
Like a narcissist doesn't have any direct connections to anybody but themselves.
So, you know, does it matter that I import somebody else's children to pay for my pension?
Nah.
You know, it doesn't matter.
Right, because everyone outside the narcissist's frame of reference is just this interchangeable bio blob of, are they useful to me or not?
Yes.
Yes, and that's very much with, you know, kind of keeping with that R selection.
You know, oh well, you know, what's it to be, right?
You know, that somebody genetically related to me disappeared.
Right.
So, yeah, that's what I was wondering, because, you know, I read, you know, I've, you know, read these, you know, pathological altruism ideas, and I'm like, you know, it's not fitting, you know, because it's not, you know, I guess when I think of people in government, I don't think of people who are just like, no, we'll just give away the store until it hurts, you know, that's not how they're operating or how they're viewing the world.
So, you know, I kind of come back to this idea of Maybe what we're struggling with is kind of darker and much deeper.
It's like a critical mass of people who have disconnected from their reality because they're living in a society of abundance.
They can.
They can afford to disconnect in a very dramatic manner, basically.
Right.
Right.
Yeah, and I guess...
It takes real empathy to figure out who's going to change and who's not going to change.
Right?
I mean, it's interesting to me that the people who tend to be the most selfish tend to be the less able to figure out which cultures are compatible with each other or not.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry, Mike's just pointing out that Anonymous Conservative has a whole book on it.
Which I'll have to check out, and it's entitled, How to Deal with Narcissists, Why They Become Evil, How They Think, and Strategies and Techniques to Take Control.
Yes.
Although, he has some of it on his website, and like I said, this is somewhat of a personal experience, but I'll skip to the end.
You really have to isolate yourself from them.
I mean, to me, the hardest part is when I hear stories of children, because they're just so vulnerable.
And, I mean, I think the good news is that a lot of children can become sturdy like that.
You know, it ends up being sort of a trial by fire, but, you know, obviously other children end up in suicide and, you know, just emotional wrecks, you know, for the rest of their lives because, you know, there's just, there's nothing normal about working in a narcissistic environment because,
you know, these kids tend to be trapped in, and that's why I actually kind of, With the millennials, I tend to relate a little bit because having sort of seen some of this narcissism from the inside, what happens is you end up in sort of really terrible, crappy, emotional situations, but you can't really put your finger on it because they're geniuses at making situations seem okay.
And to the outside, you know, and they're also very focused on their image, so what comes first in any situation is how this looks to some random stranger.
I mean, it's fascinating the idea that, you know, the person that theoretically will take care of them in their old age is totally irrelevant in how they act in the world.
It's, you know, their next-door neighbor who they'll move away from in a year from now is who counts, right?
And so, and I see when I hear millennials, at least some of them, thankfully not everybody wandering around as a narcissist, and that's important to say that, but I'm hearing a critical mass of kids who haven't been getting listened to But everybody, it's supposed to be okay, right?
This sort of trying to hold this in your head, you know, that everybody thinks you're having a great life when you're not, and you can't even really articulate it because it almost sounds crazy.
I don't know.
I guess it's kind of where I am with, you know, some of these kids with the alt-right, but...
Yeah, and the other thing I had thought of when, you know, we're talking about Pathological altruism versus narcissism is, you'll see in the alt-right a lot of lengthy discussions about virtue signaling.
To me, that's another, you know, we all virtue single.
You know, I'm a good person by how I act or, you know, in minor normal human ways, right?
Sometimes how we dress is, you know, that's virtue singling.
But for a narcissist, virtue singling is like a must.
Like it's absolutely part of their world in a way that isn't for the average, you know, just, you know, more average personality.
And I see that, and again, I make that connection.
I'm thinking, you know, we've got a bunch of people on the right and the left who are sitting here going, hey, look, I'm not a racist.
Hey, great news, I'm not a racist either.
You know, well, that's how narcissists interact with each other when you take them to an extreme, right?
They're not really viewing, they have no connections to each other, except for Trying to impress the stranger with just how awesome they are.
And that's why I keep coming back to this idea that we can't really be a pathological altruism.
It's not fitting with a lot of other observations that people are seeing out there.
Right.
Well, let me...
You know, just to remind everyone, I mean, I'm certainly not a psychologist, so we're just using these terms in an amateur fashion.
But off wiki, right?
So let's just look at the first sentence, right?
Narcissistic personality disorder is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of understanding of others' feelings.
All right?
Now let's look at your average politician who's...
Trying to get some big plan.
Let's say a Swedish politician or whatever, right?
Exaggerated feelings of self-importance.
Okay.
Well, isn't this only we can save the migrants?
You know, helping them over there, which would be 12 or 13 times more helpful, well, no, no.
They have to come here.
Only we can help them.
Only we can save them.
Only I can save them, right?
Yep.
An excessive need for admiration.
I have saved all of these people.
I am not a racist.
I am inclusive.
I am for diversity.
Right?
A lack of understanding of others' feelings.
A lack of understanding of what it's like to be a young man from the Middle East who leaves his country, leaves his culture, leaves his language, leaves his religion to some degree.
I mean, it brings a lot of that with him and so on.
What is it going to be like for that person in the West?
No language skills, no job skills, no...
Sexual market value in particular.
How's it going to work?
So to me, the narcissism is pretty important for this kind of stuff.
Lack of understanding of others' feelings.
Angela Merkel, didn't her party just suffer the biggest setback in German politics and modern German politics just recently?
Oh, yeah.
Yes.
I mean...
Right.
Lack of understanding of how the Germans are going to feel about what she's done.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, it's amazing...
How many politicians don't seem to even have insight to their voters.
There was a tweet I had read, not dangerous, on Twitter, where somebody was like, you know, I vote for Bill Clinton over Hillary Clinton.
And basically the reasoning was he's basically an old-fashioned political hack who at least gets what his voters want.
Even if he has no particular principles, he is at least conforming to that.
Where Hillary Clinton, you know, who is she talking?
I mean, she's not really talking to anybody except for maybe the people in the donor class, you know, who are donors.
I mean, because there's nothing compelling.
I mean, I can't imagine anything that is compelling if you're really black.
I mean, maybe if you're, you know, a young black woman at college, maybe, but that's not all of the voters.
That's not all of the black community in America.
It's very strange to kind of live in this political era where the politicians themselves aren't even showing any insight into their constituency.
You kind of understand the other, not understanding that.
And the fragility of this sort of vanity, to me, is what makes these kinds of people, it's impossible to criticize them.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
And certainly, as far as I understand it, narcissists are not good candidates for talk therapy.
By the way, I'm a big fan of talk therapy, just to remind everyone.
Narcissists are not a big fan of talk therapy.
They're not good candidates for talk therapy because they already think they're perfect.
They don't have any problem, right?
They already, every problem is external.
Someone else's fault, right?
Yeah, somebody else's fault.
And really, what's vital is hanging on to that sense of It's not a real sense of self.
It's just an image that they have created.
And so it's critical.
That image is much more critical than, you know, talk therapy or, you know, I read it.
It was a book about borderline personality disorder, which is awfully close to narcissism.
But I think between the two, they suck up.
A tremendous amount of long-term mental health resources, because if you can get them to go, they're almost always going for something else, like depression, or, you know, because quite often they're messing up their lives, too, if they're not, you know, if maybe they're not the brightest, you know, they're going to approach their lives in a way that people are always angry at them, and, you know, they're always messing up in social situations and things like that, so...
You know, they'll use up, you know, they're always in therapy, you know, and maybe getting medications and stuff like that, but nothing ever happens.
They're just...
They end up being...
No, you know, if you've...
This is, you know, we all have the...
We all want the great relief of blaming other people for the messes that we make.
Yes.
And it gives you temporary relief, but you lose control of your own life.
Oh, yes.
Yes, absolutely.
And so let me just mention something here as well.
This is, again, from Wikipedia.
Tell me if you think this describes...
The left or the right.
People with narcissistic personality disorder may exhibit fragile egos, an inability to tolerate criticism, and a tendency to belittle others in an attempt to validate their own superiority.
Hmm.
This is one little...
It's not that little.
It's mostly the left, by the way.
But I will say the narcissists I know...
They vote Republican.
They're narcissists.
I mean, that's the important thing about narcissism is that it really, it's like a chameleon.
It'll bend with people's personalities, right?
And that's why it's so hard to spot.
It's not this set of ones...
With enough experience, like the anonymous conservative has, you can start to pull out traits, specific traits, but it's not always...
Somebody on the left who's going to have that is just much more likely.
I mean, just, you know, in terms of how they operate.
We're smart enough to not do false dichotomy planet, right?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
The tendency is this.
Well, not everyone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, we got it.
We got it.
Now, let me make a bit of a case here, though.
Because I think that you may have a false dichotomy, since we're on the topic, you may have a false dichotomy with regards to narcissism versus pathological altruism.
What if they're not that dissimilar?
What if they're not?
So pathological altruism is where you want to help others to the point of self-destruction.
Well, isn't that an inability to handle negative feedback?
In other words, if you're not out there selling, like breaking up your spine into tiny pieces to help other people, then you either experience a huge amount of self-criticism or you feel that you're opening yourself up to criticism for others.
Pathological altruism is Is, again, it's just my understanding of the term, but pathological altruism is where you're not giving honest feedback to yourself or to others.
You are enabling others' laziness or bad behavior or exploitation of you rather than having needs of your own.
So you're doing lots of negative things.
And why?
Wouldn't it have to do with an inability to handle negative feedback?
In other words, if you have been enabling somebody's bad behavior, I mean...
I'm guessing it's something like calling in sick for your husband who's actually got a hangover and getting drinks for him and picking him up off the floor and all this kind of stuff.
If you have trained people, in a sense, in your life to treat you that way, to view you as just an all-available resource no matter what, then if you try and pull back on that behavior, if you try to be more assertive and say, no, I don't want to do this, no, I'm not comfortable with that, Then aren't you opening yourself up to significant amounts of attack now or criticism?
And the avoidance of criticism is to me maybe common between narcissism and pathological altruism.
You don't have an ego strength strong enough to experience significantly negative feedback without self-attacking.
I would tend to call it maybe a sub-behavior of narcissism.
I mean, the problem with narcissism Is that it's really, and he has some very strong words for it on his blog, you know, it's a very self-centered thing.
And it's hard, you know, in the end, The people who are giving away resources are not actually giving away their own resources, which...
You mean in politics?
In politics, right?
I mean, you know, Merkel is giving away other people's future.
I mean, she's going to be fine.
You know, whatever happens to her, you know, she's going to be fine.
So in the sense that it's not actually affecting her, I have a hard time calling it pathological altruism, although I'd have to concede that it's possible that narcissism could...
You know, it could be, it's just, it's not, I don't know, it's just usually though that, you know, narcissists tend to view other people as objects, so...
Right, and the voters are objects.
Yeah.
And even though the migrants are objects to serve her preferences, her pleasure, her ego, I would guess.
She needs to be admired.
Oh, yeah.
She needs to be admired.
Look what's happening to the Eastern European politicians who are saying no to the migrants.
Well, you know, the media, at least the European media, is taking a long, slow, horrible dump all over them.
Oh, yeah.
Right, so they obviously have, maybe had a bitter experience, but they have the ego strength to say, well, no, I'm not going to do this.
My people don't want it.
I don't see how it's going to work.
I've seen it not work in Eastern Europe.
They have more direct experience.
So they're able to say, no, I'm not going to do this thing that would be enormously popular.
I'm not, because narcissists eventually, I think, are pretty much controlled by praise or attack, praise or blame.
Oh, yes.
And so I think that she's virtue signaling.
Virtue signaling is, of course, when you wish to do something in order to be perceived as good, not because it actually is good.
You want praise from people, and that makes you a slave.
Because there's lots of things that people praise that are not praiseworthy and lots of things that they attack that are praiseworthy.
And so you end up really picking who your circle is if you're virtue signaling because you can't usually have it both ways, right?
So I think that there are some pretty self-centered elements about that.
Yeah, and my personal experience with narcissism, at least, you know, the specific people I'm thinking about, it's almost to the point of comedy, right?
That, you know, what interactions I do have with them, I'll say, you know, I try to limit them, but, you know, I'll say, I'm doing this X thing, and it comes out that they're like, oh, well, we need to do this X thing because I was doing it.
Like, they have to, there's like, there's always a pack, and they always have to fit in to that group.
And yeah, you become a slate.
I mean, you know, I am sure that the people that I know They have no idea what to make of me.
Especially when you come on this show.
I think we've all experienced that.
When I was a teenager, I had a group of friends who liked to drink.
And for about two, maybe three weekends, I tried it.
You know, it's like, according to the commercials, this is just a huge amount of fun.
And I tried it.
I really did.
And I didn't like it.
You know, I didn't like it.
I would never sort of get this abandonment of ego.
I don't know, some people drink to escape themselves.
I'd still be myself.
I'd just be uncoordinated and dizzy and think that I was funnier than I was.
And Then I'd go to bed and what's that old Dean Martin joke?
You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on.
But I'd be in the bed, I'd get the spins, and I wouldn't be able to sleep, and it would be really uncomfortable.
And then I'd wake up sort of mid-morning or late morning and I'd have a headache and I'd feel like no energy, wouldn't want to eat, wouldn't want to get to the couch all Sunday.
And it's like, okay, so there's not really any pluses, but there sure are a lot of minuses to drinking.
And then the one time I threw up when I was drinking, I was like, okay, well, I think if it mimics an illness, why pay for it?
But I had friends, and they wanted to go and drink.
And a lot of their life was...
Figuring out where to drink and how to get the drinks and never really how much to drink.
The answer seemed to be until there's nothing left to drink.
And, you know, they would sometimes congregate in parents' basements and they'd go through, you know, I don't know if this is old school 70s stuff or 80s stuff, but, you know, people used to have these basements with these bars and they'd have all these like multicolored liqueurs and crap which hadn't been open since, I don't know, World War II. Yeah.
We're going to go for like wedding gifts.
Yeah, you know, it's just something that's like, wow, this is really, really green.
I wonder if we can drink it.
And then you'd mix and match and then it would just be like, wow.
I'm now in the process of turning myself inside out because I've had too many liqueurs.
So now I'm an alcoholic with diabetes.
So I just couldn't get into the drinking thing.
And I guess the last time I was drunk, Was probably at an after-cast party for a play I was in when I was like maybe 20 or 21.
And that's just because it was a savage punch and I was, you know, every now and then you're having a good conversation with someone, you don't really notice how much you're eating or, hey, where did all the chips go?
But, so, I just, I never quite got into the drinking thing, but...
My friends sure did.
And man, they dug in.
They committed.
You know, like John Oliver says on the Bugle, you know, you've got to commit.
You've got to commit to your bit.
And boy, did they ever commit to the drinking.
It was like absolutely unquestioned that it was the very best possible thing to do.
And, you know, if you were going to drink, then you had to have the right tunage.
Tunage was the word that was really annoying even at the time.
You had to have the right music.
And you also had to have a small amount of coins so that you could play poker for nickels and pennies and all that kind of stuff.
And it just was, that was the thing to do.
And man, if you weren't drinking, what were you doing?
Why would you bother getting together without drinking?
So basically human beings were props by which you could say, well, at least I'm not drinking alone.
That seemed to be the whole deal.
And so again, I tried it a couple of weekends and I was like, wow, high price to pay, And I, you know, why would I pay for something that I would pay to be cured of?
And so I just didn't want to drink anymore.
And then what happened, of course, was like, suddenly I just became the enemy.
Wow.
Somebody making sensible life decisions?
Attack!
Right?
And it just got really stupid.
And so I just had to stop hanging out with those people.
Because...
It's expensive, and I didn't have much money at the time.
I was working like three jobs.
And it was expensive.
It was alienating.
I was sick.
I was unwell.
It's just like, why?
What possible benefit is there in this for me?
Other than not being attacked by my friends for being a sucky fag who won't drink.
Actually, I don't think they ever used that phrase.
But, you know, probably wasn't that far off.
What's the matter, man?
Have a drink!
Come on!
So, yeah, I mean, if I'm Not interested in drinking.
And, you know, maybe they had some big biological response to drinking that it was like, you know, four orgasms a second.
I don't know.
Maybe it was something vastly different for them than it was for me.
But to me, if it...
If every, you know...
If it's that old joke, there's no great story that ever started off with, I had a good salad, you know?
But there are lots of...
If it became like...
The stories, and it's not just the drinking, like the stories were then about the drinking, and then the stories were about the falling down, and the stories about the crazy things you did with a garden gnome, and then the stories were, I was so hung over that, and the stories were, hey, remember that time when I fell asleep and somebody tried to take the beer out of my hand, and I woke up immediately and grabbed it back and finished the rest of it and fell asleep again, right?
You became this drink-based or beer-based life form that that was your sole reason for being and your sole value to society was the endless consumption of barley, wheat, hops, and bubbles.
So, yeah, and it just, you know, especially, you know, if it's beer, I just, I cannot spend the entire evening either peeing or needing to pee.
That is just not my definition of a good time.
So, sorry for the long story, Amy, but I get how there are all of these areas in which it's like, oh, this group needs to do X. And it was the same thing, too.
Like, I played Dungeons& Dragons until I got a girlfriend.
And then the Dungeons& Dragons crew were not quite as keen on me because...
I had a lady nearby that I didn't have to draw with zero gravity boobs.
Anyway, so, yeah, there are tribes that trap you, I guess.
Yeah, and it's not, you know, wanting to fit in is like not, it's like, I mean, again, if we're talking about narcissism, you know, it's like, you know, up a notch, right?
I mean, just crazy things like I just had back surgery, but I'm going to go for a hike because my daughter did.
That kind of level of I have to fit in-ness that is even beyond the normal young kind of thing.
We all have to fit in because people who didn't fit in didn't get to pass along those jeans.
There's this normal level, but they'll get super It's almost difficult to imagine not trying.
Yeah, and it tends to be around controlling other people's behavior through intimidation and threats and punishments and all of that kind of stuff.
I remember, I don't know, a couple of years later running into the same drinking crew, and they were doing the same stuff that they were doing before, but they still had to remind me that I was a loser for not...
You know, sacrificing your paycheck to feel ill every weekend, yeah.
Yeah, you know, and it's like, you know, retaining the kind of brain cells that have me have a show like this rather than a show like, I like elves.
So, no, it is this wanting to fit in.
It's perfectly natural, perfectly healthy, and perfectly normal.
But you want to try and fit in with people who You know, who think, who are coherent, who are, you know, again, nothing wrong with a drink once in a while, but it is, the self-erasure that's necessary to fit in with drinking culture is really, really horrible.
You basically have to strip yourself down to like one gene past an ape, the lowest possible common denominator, and there seems to be a sort of race as in, you know, you call that a bad decision, boy, I'll give you a bad decision I made when I was drinking, check out this tattoo, and This STD, boy, you think you made mistakes.
Boy, have I ever...
How is this the hierarchy that you want to win at?
Great stories, huh?
You know...
Good times!
Can't remember them.
And I lost a tooth.
But good times.
I got something metallic circling something uncomfortable.
Good times.
Oh, no.
But...
You know, I'll pull, you know, kind of to pull this back.
Oh, wait, one last thing.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
One last thing.
Just follow it.
I'll never get to tell these stories again because there'll be no circumstance in this show where this makes sense.
Have you ever had this?
I don't know if you've ever been around a drinking crew.
But if you ever want to see panic in a drinking crew, they get to someplace remote.
Like, let's say they go into a cottage.
Now, near a cottage up in Canada here.
A cottage is like three hours from town or whatever.
Get to a cottage.
Went up once with a group.
Got to the cottage.
And they were always suspicious of me because they're like, yeah, you're the kind of guy who's like, everyone's sitting on the dock and relaxing and they're having a beer and, you know, they're full of pizza and someone comes up and says, hey guys, let's play Pictionary!
And I was like, don't be that guy.
Don't be that guy.
But anyway, so we got up to this cottage and it was going to be a long weekend.
And...
Everybody's unpacking, but there's this growing sense of unease.
And I don't just mean because you're running back and forth because you're getting dive-bombed by these mosquitoes the size of Stukas that will basically suck out your armpit through your nose if they get attached to you.
But there was this sense of unease.
It's like, one guy was like, we're all in there, and one guy turns to the other and says, do you unpack the whole car, man?
Is the whole car unpacked?
Is the whole car unpacked?
Yeah, the whole car's unpacked.
No, no, no, it can't be.
Go check the car.
Just check that everything's, it's gotta be something else in the car.
Guy runs out.
Getting past the, you know, just naked people jumping up and down with honey attached to them just so they can pull off the mosquitoes.
Guy comes back.
No, no, man.
Everything's out.
We got the fishing.
Everything's out.
It's like, but where's the beer?
Where's the beer?
And then there was this silence like, where's my child?
Where's my child?
Where's my youth?
Where's my virtue?
It was like, literally, we'd left someone behind on battlefield.
Where's Jake?
Where's Jake?
Jake would do anything for us.
Where's Jake?
Where's the beer?
Somebody, like, everyone thought that everybody else was bringing the beer.
And somehow, these people were facing a weekend with each other unmedicated.
Like, without any alcohol.
And then it was like, check the house!
Yeah!
Check the house!
You know, like somebody whose alarm goes off in the middle of the night and they think it's an intruder.
Check the house!
There's got to be some beer here.
I don't care.
Rubbing alcohol.
Pledge.
I don't care.
Give me something to erase my brain from you people.
And, yeah, it was just horrible.
And the entire conversation that evening was people blaming each other for there being no alcohol.
And then, of course, somebody took a two-hour drive to get some beer the next day.
But it's like, where's the beer?
That was the last straw.
I was like, wow.
Oh, no, we have to enjoy each other's company while sober?
God help us.
Anyway, sorry about that.
Go on.
Anyway.
Oh, okay, man.
Okay.
So, what I was thinking of, though, was that...
In conclusion, you were right about everything.
What I was thinking was that, you know, part of that, what I would see, like, as a critical mass of narcissism, but especially in politics.
I mean, politicians were already going to be, like, tend towards narcissism.
Like, that was just a given.
If they're growing the state, for sure.
Yeah.
If they're aiming at drinking it, not so much.
Yeah, but...
So, you know, part of that, you know, even tie into, like, globalism and nationalism, you know, a narcissist doesn't really have a hard time, like, throwing away his culture because, you know, he's trying to fit in.
Like, it doesn't – nothing about the past is Would be of interest to hang on because there's just so much energy expended into fitting in.
And I've read, you know, writers who are like, you know, there is a, you know, sort of a globalist culture of its own, you know, sort of centered around like international airports and, you know, has sort of its own code words and things like that.
If what you've got is sort of a critical mass of people trying to fit into that culture, They're going to look around at where they come from and go, what's the big deal?
Why would you care that you would be losing this element of 2,000 years of tradition or even 50, right?
Because you need to fit in.
Well, and they would be addicted, right?
I mean, I've talked about politics being intensely – political power is an intensely addictive power.
Environment, system, climbing up the hierarchy gives you crazy addictive rewards by a feedback.
And so, yeah, somebody was asking me the other day, well, do you really think that the politicians would destroy the culture?
And like, would they?
It's like, they're addicts.
Oh, yes, yes.
They're addicts.
Again, I got to put in this, you know, star Donald Trump, you know, whatever, right?
But in Europe, I mean, for the most part, I think the ones in power, they're addicts.
And, you know, do gambling addicts destroy their families?
Do they destroy their savings?
Do they destroy their lives?
Of course they do.
Oh, yeah.
On a regular basis.
Not all of them, but a significant proportion of them do.
Alcoholics, you know, do they destroy their lives?
Do they destroy, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's just Edward Albee just died and the guy was a terrible alcoholic for periods of his life.
And I think the same thing was true of Eugene O'Neill and Richard Burton, I think, died of alcoholism.
I mean, yeah, they destroy alcoholism.
Their own lives, what's to stop them from destroying other people's lives or the entire culture they've inherited?
If they're addicts, they're addicts.
Yeah.
Reason holds no sway.
No, it doesn't.
Well, that's the other thing with narcissism, too, is that, you know, I mean, when you've landed in a narcissist world, you've landed in the twilight zone.
You know, there's no...
But you can't fundamentally, in my experience, has been that self-absorbed people or crazy people, you can't have any existence around them.
To exist is to offend.
Oh, yes, yes.
You have to be like the shadow cast by their desires.
They move, you move.
You have to mirror what they're doing.
You have to subjugate any individuality, any individuation, any disagreement, because they simply have no particular tolerance for not getting their way.
You know, it's the tantrum phase of life, which...
You know, my daughter didn't go through, but that aspect of things is really the most soul-crushing thing is that you simply can't exist.
You have to become a ghost of convenience for their particularly manic preferences, and you have to be able to twist and turn.
You know, the Ministry of Truth in 1984.
And there's no relevance or relationship to past or present or future or consistency.
It's just the whim of the moment.
And anytime you resist that or oppose it or question it, you know, the hellfires of damnation have rained down upon your head through various forms of abuse.
And it is a...
And the thing is, of course, you need a self to be able to get out of it, and that's the first thing to go.
So it is a very, very challenging situation for a lot of people.
And, you know, you can face this in your personal life, your working life, your political life.
I think it's pretty common these days.
Yeah, I know.
Well, and see, the hard part.
I mean, you know, the thing is, I think I'm only kind of pushing this theory as...
I mean, it's only helpful in so much that it defines a landscape.
I just want to bring it up mostly because pathological altruism doesn't fit, and it suggests that you could cure it.
I mean, that you might be able to talk somebody out of giving away the store.
My personal experience with narcissism is that it doesn't There's no talking through it.
And it's also a much more negative thing.
I mean, it's weird, but pathological altruism is like, yeah, I'm just so nice that, you know, man, look at that.
Where if you say...
I just don't like to hurt people's feelings.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, where if you look at that same behavior pattern, I mean, it's sort of like a...
You know, because a lot of these, you know, like the pathological altruism comes from You know, websites that are very, you know, maybe what your previous caller was talking about with the white nationalism and that tend to, you know, really try to focus on, you know, what it means to be Caucasian, I guess, right?
And it's sort of, you know, it's kind of funny to me because it's almost like a backhanded compliment.
You know, we white people are just so nice, you know.
Well, you know, it's hard because...
Also, this ties into your callers.
Previously were all kind of tying into this for me.
But we kind of need the truth if we're going to try to tackle going forward.
And I don't think we're in the situation because white people inherently are just so nice that they go crazy with it.
Oh, yeah.
I do, too, that the alt-right is somehow white superiority or white supremacy.
I mean, nobody criticizes white people like the alt-right.
Nobody criticizes.
They're so frustrated with white people.
It's like, what the hell's wrong with you people?
You're white people.
You're just giving away everything and self-destroying your own culture.
What the hell's the matter?
They're harsher on white people than any other group that I've ever heard of.
It's still like this backdoor white supremacy theory.
It's sort of like how you get the whites are...
We're going to blame the whites for everything.
It's actually an inverted white supremacy theory.
You can't...
You know, in order to have the ability to destroy everything, you have to be superior to it, right?
You know, so...
Well, no, you can blow up a house without knowing how to build it.
And I think that's what they're viewing as the sort of self-destruction of Western culture that's sort of going...
You know, they're always talking about race, you know, like slavery and, you know, we're holding you out of the school system and, you know, all that kind of...
it's like the things they actually talk about i mean is about access to like you know white wealth and and these institutions and things like that and it's there yeah i mean i i don't know again much much about it but my understanding is that a they're tired of being called racist all the time and taking the blame for something which may just be human biodiversity and number two look at detroit in 1950 look at detroit in 2016 absolutely
and those are things where you know there are legitimate questions to be raised i don't know what the answer to the world is going to be but they certainly do need to be raised All right.
Amy, is there something you wanted to – I'm going to give you because I went on with long stories.
I'm going to absolutely give you the last word of our entire conversation.
And we talked before, right?
Yeah, we did.
We did.
Yeah, yeah.
I remember it.
Okay.
So, yeah.
Feel free to close it off with whatever – you've got the platform and I'll duct tape my head.
Well, I wanted to bring it up.
Like I said, I think the hard part is – People have been listening for the last 50 years on everybody dumping on the white race.
Although, like I said, it's sort of like this weird inverted supremacy theory, at least to me.
But it's negative.
It's all negative.
And, you know, to look at why whites, you know, or at least Western nations that are white majority, seem to be suicidal all of a sudden, and to come up with, like, maybe...
A negative reason, which is like narcissistic tendencies, I think would tend to be really uncomfortable.
I mean, it's like adding to the dog pile, right?
I mean, it's terrible and negative, which is why I think there's a tendency to push that away for the little bit more comfortable, a little bit more ironically positive pathological altruism.
But I also feel strongly that you can't, unless you can at least vaguely know where you are, You're not going to solve the problem, right?
You know, and if I say narcissism, then, you know, we're going to get a sense of, as ironically, you know, the alt-right has instinctively figured out how to deal with a narcissist, right, rather than a pathological altruist, which is all of that triggering that they're doing.
They keep pushing and pushing and pushing.
They're aiming to strengthen people by exposure to negative stimuli.
Yes.
How do you get over a fear of something?
Well, as far as I understand it, you gradually expose yourself to more and more of it.
Like you're afraid of spiders or whatever.
Is there one here?
Am I in Australia?
Good.
So you have gradual exposure.
I don't know what the theory is, but my guess is that the trolls on the alt-right are aiming to toughen people up by saying, okay, so...
We're trolling you and you're still alive, so maybe now we can go around saving the world.
The anonymous conservative is somewhere on that blog.
But the idea is, if you can't get a narcissist on your side, I mean, just ever.
Unless they decide to heal themselves or whatever it is they decide to do spiritually, you're not going to get them on your side because there's no rational way to do it.
And they're just such geniuses at manipulating situations that, you know, it's crazy.
But what you can do is get them to be quiet, right?
You can, like, so overstimulate them that you get them to shut down.
Or you make it humiliating for them to be in a public sphere, and humiliation is the one thing that I think narcissists or vain people can't stand.
Yes, exactly.
So, like I said, I think it's more if people kind of latch on to that idea that that's what they're kind of fighting, rather than altruism, even though it's more negative, that it might be helpful kind of going forward.
That's not the only framework.
You've presented a lot of other great frameworks to think about it.
But if you're going to think about a psychological bucket...
I was just thinking about the last caller.
We were talking about how some women or maybe more women than men have a difficult time...
Saying to people that they suck at something or they're bad at something or they spare their feelings and so on.
You know, one thing that has had people say, what's a mystery in the West?
A mystery in the West is not that complicated to solve.
It's just massive amounts of single moms raising kids.
And without the masculine presence, without the stability, without the honesty, without the bluntness, without the reality processing, without all of that stuff...
We have a gynocentric, female-centric, female-defined male population out there because you've got a lot of single moms.
Well, you don't have single moms.
You, of course, have women who are kind of in charge of the family because of the family court system and men so terrified of getting divorced that they're just a piece.
And then you have, of course, women all over the – up until at least junior high or high school.
It's almost all – Women teachers are in charge of everything.
So you've got this generation, what is that old line from a great movie Fight Club?
We're a generation of men raised by women.
I'm not sure another woman is exactly what we need.
And this generation of men raised by women, it's not that complicated to figure out why there's this perhaps narcissism or perhaps pathological altruism and so on.
It's a delightful aspect of female nature.
Yeah, it's gotten out of hand.
I mean, I was hearing the last caller, and...
I guess I'm a little bit more masculine woman.
I know where she was coming from, that instinct, but I was kind of nodding my head and agreeing with you.
There are moments when maybe you can get away with what I would call sins of omission.
Grandma is going to like everything that comes from her grandchildren.
There's a really good reason for it.
But a good grandma might, in a different moment, Pull that child aside and say, look, this wasn't maybe the best.
You know what I mean?
No, no, no.
You suck.
This more has to do with child rearing, but if I end up in a situation where it looks like there's a favorite child, that's a problem.
That's a very serious problem.
Well, you know, it's like a friend of mine's kid years ago drew some fairly average picture and said, I'm going to sell this for $20.
And I'm like, no, you're not.
Well, see, you know, that I will actually say.
It's not going to happen.
But, you know, I've actually had moments for him.
You know, like my daughter said to me, and I have actually said, no, you're not selling that for, you know.
It's a great job to me, you know, but...
I'm thrilled that you can do it, but...
Yes, but...
You know, a horse that can count to five is an extraordinary horse, but not an extraordinary mathematician.
So, yeah, no, I mean, and so that bluntness and that, you know, the reality check that men bring...
Yeah, it's a general rule of thumb.
And it's, yeah, it's important.
That's missing.
I mean, that I do see as sort of just this common thread outside of mainstream conservative, which is just, it seems like they're just off the rails with feminism and stuff.
But, you know, we need more men.
Yeah, and we'll get them when the government runs out of money.
When the government runs out of money and women have to get back to being in the business of relating to men again and pleasing men, just as men have been in the business of pleasing women for the past 150,000 years, when the government runs out of money, all of this stuff will align itself back and all these ideologies that are so carefully constructed will all fall apart and we'll all get back to the nascent Basic lizard brain associations and society will work out.
Hopefully it happens in time.
We'll see.
I don't see us getting through this without some bumps, though.
I mean, I just...
There's going to be some bumps.
There's going to be some bumps.
There's just no way.
And I see people who are like, well, you know, what we want is the extreme...
We're like, you know, let's get Hillary Clinton on there because, you know, she's going to add gasoline to...
You know, make it go faster.
And I'm like, I'm not really sure that when you've got a burning building, the best idea is to throw gasoline on it, right?
You know, I... Yeah, well, she would make other decisions.
Yeah, she would make other demographic decisions that might make things even more exciting.
But all right, Amy, I'm going to close it off.
I really, really appreciate the call.
It was a great pleasure to chat.
Please, please call back.
You're welcome anytime.
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