July 31, 2016 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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3369 Annoyed By The Soot Stained Hobo - Call In Show - July 29th, 2016
Question 1: [1:52] - “I am a 31-year-old, wife and mother who finds it very frustrating to have to participate in a statist society. Reading the newspaper is absolutely infuriating at times and I often find it very difficult to live among the idiocy of the many. How do you best cope and succeed in statist societies?”Question 2: [49:39] - “Why does the media fail to point out Republican or Independent African Americans? Instead there is a constant barrage by the media stating that most, if not all African Americans are all democratic liberals, since I consider myself an American Republican (of Nigerian African decent). This is one of the most annoying things that I have seen the media pushing.”Question 3: [1:46:53] - “I have listened to many of Stefan's podcasts with several different guests and they seem to make the case that environmentalists are "anti-human". I am confused by this because all of the environmentalists I have talked to are really concerned about the health and well-being of their children, grandchildren, and all future generations of human beings when it comes to clean water, air, and soil. Can you help me understand the role of environmental regulations in a Free Market and Free society? What happens when your upstream neighbor decides he wants to dump all of his shit in the river?”Question 4: [2:34:39] - “If the welfare state creates a force in r selected communities towards more children in the now to be taken care by the state, does it not create a similar force in K selected people towards relying on the state when old and fragile, an incentive for not investing in creating a strong family to rely upon later?”Freedomain Radio is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by signing up for a monthly subscription or making a one time donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate
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Great show tonight.
We had a mom call in who was just a little bit frustrated at seeing where the world was going, how it seems to be declining into chaotic socialist madness, and what can we do to stay happy and positive during these challenging times?
Great set of questions, and we had a really powerful conversation about that.
And then we had a fine young black gentleman call in from the state saying, hey, what is it up with the media?
Never pointing out how many blacks are Republicans.
I just did an interview with Dinesh D'Souza about that kind of stuff, and I wanted to have a conversation with him about that, and it was a great conversation.
He brought a huge amount to the table.
Now, the third caller wanted to know how environmentalism is going to work in a free society.
If we don't have the state, if we don't have the EPA, if we don't have regulations, how on earth?
Can we be sure that we're going to have, you know, good, clean air and water and ground and all that kind of stuff?
And I took a new approach.
And I'm always challenging myself to take a new approach to these questions.
So if you've heard it before, you ain't heard this one before.
And then the fourth one was about RK selection.
So please go and listen to Gene Wars, G-E-N-E Wars, at youtube.com slash freedomainradio.
You can listen to it at fdrpodcast.com to get up to speed on that.
And his question was around...
Is it R or K selected to want an old age pension when you get older?
So we talked about that.
It was a great show.
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You know the rest.
Here we go.
Alright, well up first today we have Megan.
Megan wrote in and said, I'm a 31 year old wife and mother who finds it very frustrating to have to participate in a state of society.
Reading the newspaper is absolutely infuriating at times and I often find it very difficult to live among the idiocy of the many.
My question to Stefan is, how do you best cope and succeed in statist societies?
For me, the latest trigger was reading about Canada's newest social program, Cash for Kids.
I am pissed, as this program ensures thousands of innocent children will be born into families for the wrong reasons.
Ultimately, this will lead to many of these children being victims of abuse and neglect.
And the ramifications will be generational.
We can expect increases in crime, substance abuse, and further dependency on the government.
It is just a vicious cycle and continual perpetuation of force.
It is hard not to feel handcuffed and trapped.
That's from Megan.
But other than that, you enjoy it?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Just looking for that old silver lining, as always.
I know, I know.
I wrote that pretty late at night, and I was like, man, I was really upset.
Yeah, I definitely couldn't go to sleep after.
Just, I get pretty frustrated.
I get really upset and annoyed.
And then, yeah, I just, I feel like maybe it's sometimes hard to see the positive in participating, I guess, in society in general.
Which is, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, go on, go on.
Well, I mean, I don't want to be a victim because I know that's not the place to go and I don't want to act like, oh, well, it's all being done to me and this is all, like, I want to try to rise above it, but at the same time, I find it really hard not to get really bogged down in it and among it, especially when I don't have, like, both my husband and I, we're on the same page, but as far as, like, Friends and family, we're pretty much on our own.
Like, there's not a lot of close friends we'd have that we really relate to in terms of our philosophy or how we look at life and the government or anything like that.
So it becomes just monotonous and you just start feeling like, oh, God, like, we've got to get out of here.
But then where do we go?
I don't know.
It's really frustrating at times.
Yeah, it sounds like there's a lot of self-management involved.
This is what I feel.
I shouldn't feel this.
I should rise above it.
You know what I mean?
Like there's a lot of non-spontaneous organic response to environment.
You know what I mean?
Let me think about that.
So basically, yeah, like I'm, yeah, like I want to try to get myself to be okay, but then at the same time, I still get annoyed.
I don't know.
It's hard.
I don't know.
No, and what I mean by that is you feel annoyed, but then you tell yourself you shouldn't be annoyed.
Exactly.
This phrase, rise above, take the high road and stuff, just my personal thoughts, Megan, I hate that stuff.
I hate, take the high road.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, take the high road.
How about giving people responsibility for their life choices?
No!
We must take the high road.
And it's like, I'm not interested in taking the high road.
I'm not interested in suppressing frustration and anger.
I'm not interested in nagging myself or lecturing myself or saying, ooh, those feelings, they're in the category bad.
They're in the category unproductive.
They're in the category of whatever, right?
I mean, no, the feelings are the feelings, and they're very important, and they're there to help you, to help society, and to help those that the government pretends to be helping right now.
And so I try not to...
Nag myself.
I'm not saying you are, but I'm saying for myself.
I try not to nag myself into this feeling good, this feeling bad, this feeling productive, this feeling unproductive, this feeling has utility, this feeling does not have utility, and so on.
And that kind of self-management, it can consume a lot of cycles, as they say, in the computer industry, right?
It can consume a lot of your mind.
Right.
Yeah, I get that.
And I think, yeah, that's totally true.
I think I do do that.
I kind of feel like, well...
I can control.
Like, I am a bit of a control freak.
Like, I like things to go a certain way.
And, yeah, I guess I probably do.
Just try to self-manage.
Well, and control freaks go crazy over government.
Yeah, I do feel like I do.
Because it's like you've got some hobo.
You want to keep your floors clean.
You want to keep your nice white carpet and your nice white couches clean.
And there's some soot-stained hobo playing Twister with a stinky-ass giraffe that has diarrhea.
And you're like, I've got to control it!
It's like...
That's so true.
You can just feel completely controlled by it.
You cannot get rid of it.
It's just the stain that never goes away.
It's constantly there.
And it's hard to be...
Like, how do you be okay with that, basically?
Yeah, it's control spelt with a K, because it's K-selected.
And control freaks, for want of a better phrase, I would say it's people with self-discipline.
You know, maybe it can testesize a little too far, but society is...
I've just been working on this presentation on Rome, and I went into my fugue state for recording the presentation this afternoon.
And I came out, it was like an hour and a half later, I was still only two-thirds done.
But in it, there's this idea that we are free through self-discipline.
Because freedom has come to mean license.
It's come to mean hedonism.
It's come to mean, well, whatever I want to do that makes me feel good, I'm going to do, and that's called freedom.
And the argument that has been around since antiquity, which we've kind of lost these days, is freedom is the result of self-discipline.
In other words, you are free to climb stairs if you're not 400 pounds.
You are, you know, free to have a happy marriage if you are disciplined and...
About who you get married to and you choose someone based on values and virtues and not just, you know, mere physical attractiveness and so on.
And you are free to retire early if you've been self-disciplined about saving your money.
You are free to get a great job if you've been self-disciplined enough to educate yourself or be educated in some economically productive way.
And so freedom results from self-discipline.
Freedom is not just freedom from aggression, or now it's become like, I want to be free to go to school and not pay my loans back, whatever's going on with the leftist nonsense in the DNC.
But freedom is not licentiousness.
Freedom is what you gain as the fruit of self-discipline.
And the government, of course, is the complete opposite of that, because the government takes from people who have self-discipline and gives to people who don't.
It takes from smarter people and it gives to dumber people.
It takes from market-facing people and gives to politically connected people.
And it is this rampaging, soot-stained, farty hobo, you know, rummaging through your lovely white living area.
And it really tweaks because there is an opposition, right?
To have self-control means that the state is going to profit from you at your expense.
And to have licentiousness means that the state is going to subsidize you.
And so the fact that control freaks are bothered by the state, well, if you are a control freak, so to speak, you don't need the state because you have self-discipline.
And so I think that's how I would tie it together.
Yeah, no, it makes total sense.
It's how I feel exactly.
Basically, I trust myself.
I know there's consequences to my decisions, and I expect to have consequences.
And if I make good choices, I expect good outcomes.
And I just feel like For some reason, people don't see that in the same vein.
And I don't understand why.
Why is it that we have to provide for people?
And this whole giving money to people to have kids, it really bothers me.
Why would you want the worst people to have the most kids?
Why would you want to incentivize it?
It's just like Propping up like a system that like basically you're just gonna have kids born into the worst homes and be abused and I just the thought of that just makes me sick to my stomach that people would be like oh yeah well they're just we should give all the money to the poor people because they didn't get there by any of their own doing it's all just chance and luck and then we'll just it's just their kids and like all they're gonna do is take advantage and have more kids and then abuse more kids and just and if you say that you're just a greedy like You don't care.
You're just completely selfish.
And it's just, I don't know.
It's really hard to find people who you can relate to and talk to.
Because if I say this, I did make a post on Facebook, and people were just so angry at me.
Like, just...
Saying how I was being greedy, and if I was to say, like, I must make over X amount of dollars, and I'm bad for that, and I'm just like, what?
Like, this is just insane.
Like, anyways.
Well, and so, just to give people some political context, new Canada Child Benefit Program payments start today.
Tax-free payments will be higher for lower-income families.
And there's a picture, it seems a little bit stereotypical, but it's a black woman with her two kids and she's overweight.
Is there a father?
Nowhere in the picture does there appear to be a father.
And what's it going to cost?
$22.4 billion over five years.
It also won't be indexed to inflation until 2020.
You see, they don't want to do it right now.
And, um, it's, uh, so there was an old system, right?
It was 160 bucks per child per month for children under six years of age.
And then 60 bucks a month for children aged six to 17.
And, um, I guess, I guess what was annoying about that one is anyone who thinks, whoa, I have a child, but it's okay because I'm getting 160 bucks a month.
For my child who's under six.
And it's like, if that seems like a good deal for you, you shouldn't be having children because it's going to cost you a lot more than that in lost time, lost income, lost sleep, just general basic expenses.
Sixty bucks a month, that should cover everything to do with child care.
And so now, now families with children under the age of six could receive as much as $6,400 per child per year.
And you can get a maximum of $5,400 for six and seventeen.
And it's theirs to spend, says Governor of the Bank of Canada.
Of course, when they spend it, it has secondary effects.
Now, if you're the Governor of the Bank of Canada, I assume you're not a mouth-breathing, plasticine-brained retard.
And of course, if you give money to people and they spend it, the stuff they spend it on is stimulated.
But so what?
So what?
I mean, it's like saying, well, you know, if someone wins the lottery, they're going to be spending a lot of money.
That's really good for the economy.
In fact, everyone should just buy a lottery ticket and then we shouldn't work because it's going to stimulate so much economic activity.
It's like, well, okay, so somebody wins a million or 10 million bucks, but what about everyone who spent their money on lottery tickets instead of everything else?
It's free economic stimulus to take people from some people, run it through a big scouring the edge of value off bureaucratic lower intestine nightmare sandpaper destroy value bureaucracy, and then give them the remnants they spend it.
Ooh, it's magic.
Oh, it is.
I mean, it is.
And this kind of stupid stuff is going to continue.
Yeah.
And so you just kind of got to get used to it, I guess, until things just take care of themselves?
Or do you just...
I don't even know.
Like, I guess, yeah, you just kind of just got to watch it happen, be autonomous, and just keep going.
Well, look, there's ways to care for people, and there's ways to appease people.
Clearly, the Canadian government is not wildly interested in the quality of children's lives.
Because if the Canadian government was interested in the quality of children's lives, it would stop loading them down with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt by the time they're born.
So clearly, the two basic things when people say, oh, the government cares about children.
Number one, national debt.
Come on.
If you care about children, stop loading them down with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt before they're even born.
Number one.
Number two...
Jamming them into government-controlled, mandatory, forced education with crappy, socialized teachers is terrible.
I mean, did you go to school in Canada?
Yeah, I did, yeah.
And what was your experience?
I don't mean to project my experience on yours, but what was your experience of Canadian schools?
Well, I grew up in a small town, so it was a very small school, small class, and I feel like it might have been a bit different than perhaps everywhere else, because it was conservative, it was quite conservative, and I feel like our teachers really...
They weren't really part of this whole leftist agenda.
They were old school in a lot of ways.
So I feel like...
Are you having trouble pronouncing the word white?
Yeah, I guess.
Am I wrong about that?
That sounds bad.
But I don't know.
I think that I was lucky in that regard that I got a different viewpoint because we were...
Like questioned and we would watch current events and everything was like it wasn't just like go along with the like the whatever doctrine the government lays out.
I feel like it was a little bit better but I mean I'm scared for my son and where he's gonna have to like I don't want him in public school because I can just imagine like talking to teachers now I have some friends that are teachers and it just sounds awful like it just sounds like not a good place to be like Not a good environment as far as what they have to teach.
One of my good friends, she's a teacher, and it doesn't sound that great.
Right.
So, it is, you know, so what is going on here?
Is it care for the children?
Of course it's not.
Because again, national debt, crappy government schools, and you could go on and on.
All programs that promote single motherhood Directly detract from children's happiness.
So why is this woman who's working full time not able to survive?
She's working full time.
Well, she's a Toronto social worker with a net income of about $30,000 who lives in community housing.
There's not one market-facing statement in any of that.
Toronto social worker paid by the government with a net income of about $30,000.
So the government's underpaying her because she's working for the government, I assume.
Maybe she's working for some private charity, but I imagine it's working for the government.
So she's a social worker with a net income of about $30,000, lives in community housing.
So there's more government subsidies in control.
As a single mother of four children between the ages of six and seventeen, And of course, all of these benefits are tax-free, right?
As a single mother of four children between the ages of six and 17.
And do you know what she says?
She says, you know, there's this whole stigma that you're lazy.
You just want the money.
But it has nothing to do with that.
I work a full-time job 40 hours a week and I still live in poverty.
You know why?
You got four kids and no husband!
That's why you're living in poverty.
It's not because the government isn't giving you a lot of money.
It's because you've got four children and no husband!
Cross your legs!
Save civilization!
There should be consequences.
I don't understand where the consequences are.
What's the problem with that?
Get your vacuum vagina out of my wallet, please!
I've got my own child I'd like to save some money for, if you don't mind!
But what can you say?
You can't say that.
Well, I think I've figured out why you're poor.
You have four children and no husband.
You know, this is the equivalent from a male standpoint.
Are you ready?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, you're a reporter and I'm complaining.
Are you ready?
Mm-hmm.
You know, Megan, a reporter, there's this weird thing that's going on.
I mean, I work full-time, and I have four 1960s sport cars that I'm rebuilding.
And weirdly, I don't have a lot of leftover money.
So, you see, what I need is government subsidies to close the gap of this mysterious where's my money gone stuff.
I also have a cocaine habit and a subscription service to just about every video and game portal in the known universe.
I also have nine Xboxes.
And so it's kind of weird.
Like, I'm making okay coin, but just at the end of the day or the end of the month, I find I don't have a lot of money.
And so I just, I need subsidies for my sports cars and my Xboxes and my subscription services and all that.
Now, that wouldn't be a big mystery, would it?
Yeah, people could actually object and it wouldn't be such a big deal.
You could say, well, yeah.
And then everybody would be like, oh, it's outrageous.
This is so wrong.
But you're not allowed to say that.
You banged losers!
Yeah.
You banged losers and you did not wear protection.
And now I have to pay all your bills.
Can you say that?
No.
Well, not with a lot of, like, fight.
There's a big fight back.
And then, yeah, I feel like you have to censor yourself.
I rolled the sperm dice!
Snake eyes!
Every time!
Oh, man.
And it's, you know, do I blame this woman in particular?
Not really.
Those are the incentives that are set up, and nobody's telling her the truth.
I know, yeah, it's true.
I mean, if she didn't get all these subsidies, social worker, paid by the government in community housing, now getting thousands and thousands of dollars tax-free because she banned guys who aren't around, well, it's kind of hard, you know, because I'm assuming that she's not the brightest searchlight in the array.
Right?
And so she's going to respond off short-term incentives.
Yeah.
And the short-term incentives are, yeah, I guess I can ban guys who aren't going to stick around because big daddy government's going to swoop in, scoop up money for more responsible people and deposit it in my irresponsible cleavage.
So that's just the way things are.
And it's tragic.
Do I blame her?
No.
Do I blame the politicians?
No.
I mean, the politicians, what the hell are they going to do, Megan?
Are they going to sit there and tell the truth?
Yeah, that doesn't...
Maybe you could find a man who likes you enough to stick around.
Maybe you could be a nice enough partner that the men think, wow, I can't find anyone better than this.
This woman is the very, very best.
Well, yeah.
Very best.
Very best.
I can't possibly do any better, so I'm going to stick with this one.
It's just, you know, a possibility.
Because the politicians aren't going to say that.
Why?
Because the media is going to go all up in arms about them.
And can you imagine?
This woman is a social worker.
She counsels the poor.
I'm going to just...
Go out on a limb here and say she counsels the poor on how to get more tax money from you and from me and from the other three people who are currently contributing to the system who are left in Canada.
Yeah, and that's exactly it.
They'll just continue to take and take.
I don't think it's going to last.
Like, I'm just...
Oh, it's not going to last.
Yeah, I'm just wondering.
And this is the cruelty, right?
This is the real cruelty.
They are enablers.
They are the people giving drugs to the drug addict.
They're giving cocaine to the cocaine addict, and the cocaine addict is like, oh, thank you, thank you.
Oh, that's great.
Fantastic.
Yes, I'm just going to...
Off they go, right?
Yeah.
You know, with their razor and their credit card and their lack of a future.
And so if you withhold the drug from the addict, I don't know if you've ever been around an addictive person, but if you withhold the drug from the addict, what happens?
Yeah, they just go nuts.
They go insane with rage.
Yeah, yeah.
Insane with rage.
And the media will back them right up.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
The media is like the worst friend in the world to civilization, the mainstream media, because they're sitting there going, oh yeah, you totally deserve it.
You're a heroic single mother and the government is withholding that which is rightfully yours and how are these kids supposed to eat?
Right, they're just goading them up, you know?
You know what he said about you?
He said that you were a backstabbing bitch.
Like the kind of whispery Iago-style people who just go around sewing divisions and hostility and offensiveness and offense between people and so on in the media would just go right in there.
It's like, oh no!
A smidgen of truth!
Kill it!
Kill it!
Yeah.
Responsibility?
No!
And this is the racism.
I mean, we know that there's minorities who are more involved in this stuff, and it's also the indigenous population and so on.
Yeah, I was going to say, it's just going to create widespread reserve-style life everywhere.
Now she can go and have more kids.
Yeah, and why wouldn't she?
It would be better for her.
Then she can maybe quit her job and stay home with them.
Right.
Right, and then when the money runs out, as it will, when the money runs out, who is going to suffer the most?
Yeah, those kids, and that's the part, yeah, those kids, because they're just going to end up, they're going to be just propped up, and then as soon as they're 18, now you have nothing.
Your parents have made the worst decisions, and now you're going to have to start at ground zero.
It's just...
Ground zero?
That would be better than just that in a big-time home.
Oh, I know.
It's just, it just, I just don't understand.
But it's not just like, if you talk to any, like, I just, I can't find, like, there's nobody in our family that would be like, oh, yeah, this is a bad idea.
Like, it's just, you say that, and they're like, oh, you're just completely heartless.
How could you be so heartless?
Yeah.
I just don't understand why it's so hard to explain to even people who are...
Come on.
No, no.
I mean, seriously, you are a very intelligent woman.
I'm going to go out, not even out on a limb and say that.
We all know why this money is going this way.
It's out of fear.
It's like...
People will tell themselves all sorts of stuff about how they care.
It's not true at all.
They're afraid of riots.
I mean, let's just, it's a shakedown.
That's, I mean, come on.
I mean, you know this.
They're willing to just be like hurt, like basically hurt future kids.
Like just be like, okay, yeah, I'll just sacrifice those kids.
Doesn't matter.
Like we'll just throw caution to the wind.
That single mom has like six more kids and an abusive...
Stepdad that comes in and out, that's fine.
It's okay because she's getting our money and that just pays for our conscience.
They just don't care.
Sorry to interrupt.
I'd just like to pause on comes in and out.
I just wanted to pause on that phrase for people's enjoyment.
That's right.
There was no pun intended.
No, they don't care about the kids.
The kids' problems are in another neighborhood 15 years down the road.
What they care about is if these Poorer people aren't going to get their money.
They're going to riot.
And I'm not talking about the black population.
It could be anyone.
But it's now gotten to the point where all we're doing is buying 10 more minutes apiece.
Yeah.
Like Marilyn Mosby, right?
So there was this Freddie Gray.
Six officers were charged in the death of Freddie Gray.
And the amount of like...
What I would call mildly unprofessional behavior on the part of the prosecutor's office.
You know, things like not turning over exculpatory evidence to the defense and so on.
So a bunch of people got acquitted and all the charges have been dropped.
And now they're suing her for malicious prosecution.
I think that's what's going in check.
But the reality is, why did she charge these officers?
To try and prevent riots.
Yeah, so they didn't have Ferguson.
Yeah.
Or what's worse is After the officers were acquitted in the Rodney King beating, I mean, there was, what, over a billion dollars worth of damage and untold casualties in the riots?
And the reason, so it's to do with fear of rioting, and even that is not the fundamental thing.
The fundamental thing is not even the fear of rioting, because riots are fairly easy to quell if you act decisively.
If you just, like, arrest people and, you know, do what is necessary to prevent the rioting.
But then they're afraid that there's going to be pictures all over the place and then there's going to be investigations and so on, right?
And so everyone's paralyzed because of all of this hysterical political correctness and the fact that the media whips people up into these feral frenzies in order to push a particular narrative that's usually in the states, at least, pro-democrat.
So if anyone talks about cutting welfare...
Of course, there's heartlessness, but if you point that out, then you say, well, cutting welfare is code for hating blacks, right?
This used to be the case under Reagan, right?
Wanted to cut welfare.
He was talking about the welfare queens, and everyone said, oh, it's a dog whistle.
He means blacks.
And it's actually compassion and care.
For minorities or anybody who's poor that you'd want to cut welfare because people who are poor are generally less intelligent, not one-to-one, but in general, they're less intelligent, which means that they need more immediate cues on what to do.
Yeah, right.
Because their horizon of calculation time preference is kind of shorter, right?
And so this gives them the entirely wrong cues.
And then by the time the disaster shows up, the real tragedy then occurs.
And so your family, they...
They don't want to be called racist.
They don't want riots.
And it's all...
Everything to me is just a...
Because look, let me give you sort of one last example.
If there was this real belief that we care about the kids and we want to help the kids and so on, right?
So you grew up, it sounds like, in a pretty stable...
Home and a stable environment and all that kind of stuff.
Good for you.
Kind of.
Sorry.
My mom actually, she was a single parent and I have no trouble telling her like, she was a single mom.
She had me when I was 18 and yeah, she got...
She had you when she was 18?
Yeah, she was...
I mean, if she had you when you were 18, that would have plenty.
You okay in there?
Do you want me to swallow a ball so you have something to play with?
I guess I was...
Yeah, no, no, no.
Yeah, to be clear, no.
So I didn't grow up in a stable home.
I grew up I was pretty unlucky as far as, like, that goes.
But first, I've basically, I've been able to be smart enough to look at what my parents didn't know, like, just do exactly opposite.
I just have, yeah.
Okay, alright, alright.
Yeah.
So, this is even better as far as this communication point goes.
So, did you have as much parental time and attention and financial rewards or financial resources?
No.
Megan, when you were a kid, as your friends who had two-parent households?
No, definitely not.
No.
Right.
Okay.
So, who is more responsible for their situation, adults or children?
Yeah, definitely the children.
Well, I mean, they were the ones that were supposed to be responsible, but I felt...
But the adults are more responsible.
Yeah, exactly.
But I guess for me, I always grew up thinking, like, I'm going to fix this situation and get out of it.
No, no, hang on.
Before we get all that.
Okay.
Okay.
Now, when you were a kid, were you expected to do work at the same level as other children who had more resources, more parental time and attention, and so on?
Yeah.
You didn't get the single mom break.
No.
Because, you know, the other kids had two parents to help them with their homework.
You had one who was probably really busy and not able or available that much to help, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So, if we care about children, then we should, I think, recognize...
That there are some children who are significantly disadvantaged because of their home environment and therefore we should cut those kids some slack when it comes to marks and grading.
Now I'm not saying that would be a good idea.
I'm just saying that following this same logic.
In other words, if we should take from more responsible adults and give to less responsible adults, if we should take money, then surely we should also take grades from children who are just luckier and give it to children who are less lucky.
And that's not right, no.
No, no, but by that logic.
Yeah, it's following the same idea.
Because the adults are responsible, then we're still saying we should take money and give it to the less responsible adults than their adults.
So clearly we should take And take them.
So all the straight-A students, and maybe a lot of them come from sort of two-parent households and so on.
So we've got to take some grades from them, you know, maybe a full-letter grade or 10 points, whatever, and give it to the poorer kids, the kids who don't have the same resources, right?
Because they don't.
Don't even, like I spent half my childhood in the library, but a lot of, you know, you don't even have to buy those books if your parents are.
So the idea that we care about the kids, well, if you started saying that, well, look, you know, kid, you're lucky.
You just happen to come from a rich household.
You just happen to have two parents and they're both educated and so on.
Whereas this other kid doesn't.
So we're going to hold the poorer kids to a different standard, a lower standard or whatever.
Are we going to take marks on the rich kids to get on the poor kids?
What would people say about that?
I think that they wouldn't.
Like it, but I kind of see it going that way.
I kind of feel like they could probably get away with that and not that far from now.
I feel like they could propose that and people would be like, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Let's do that.
But why do you think that's never happened?
That's what I call Marxism, right?
Yeah.
C-K-S-I-S-M. Marxism where you take...
It's just literally communism, yeah.
But why do you think that's not happened?
Why do I think they haven't got to that extent yet?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know why they have.
Well, because it just hasn't progressed to that far.
But I mean, I could see it happening.
Even in communism, I don't think they did that.
Okay.
I don't know why.
I mean, it's...
I don't either.
There's not some big garden path lead down.
I don't know either.
And if people have, you know...
I don't know why I haven't got that far, but it seems like plausible.
But there's a reason why.
I don't even want to speculate because I'm just talking out of my armpit at this point.
But if people want to say in the comments why they think it's never gone that far or why if that were proposed, most people would be up in arms.
I would be interested in hearing it.
But there's a reason why it's never gone that far.
And do you have siblings?
I have a half-brother.
He's eight years younger.
What now?
Did your mother stay married to the half-brother?
She got remarried.
So I have a half-brother.
He's eight years younger.
So when I was eight, she got remarried.
Okay.
Yeah.
And did they stay together?
No.
Ah.
Yeah.
Right.
And the other thing, too, is that single motherhood, of course, leads to needing old-age pensions, too.
Because if you're a single mom, you can't really save any money, and therefore you need the government to step in with your CPP, your Canada Pension Plan, because you haven't been able to save your money.
I mean, the dominoes are just...
Yeah, and I mean, that's the other thing.
It's really frustrating when my husband and I, we both kind of come from not the greatest family situations, and we've worked really hard, made good choices, paid off all debts, purchased at home.
We make pretty good money, and then you're punished for that, because...
You make good choices, you plan, you work hard, but it's just like, okay, well, now your income is this, so we can take it from you.
It's just like when you work so hard and you don't have like, it's just so frustrating that they think they can take from you when it's none of their business.
They can just, I don't know.
What think they can take from you?
They do.
They can take from you and they do because they have the guns that you don't.
Yeah, I guess the alternative is jail.
Yeah, that's the frustrating part.
You can work really hard and then it's just completely discounted.
Sure.
And the challenge, of course, is not...
The transfer of wealth, to me, is fine.
I mean, I do charity.
I'm sure you do.
Yeah, yeah.
I 100% agree with giving money to people who are in need.
And I have charities and I like to work, like volunteer time for those situations where I can actually see the value.
But just taking it and then mysteriously it just goes to some place.
I just don't understand.
Every time it's taken by force, you see the opposite.
I listen to your show a lot and you see the opposite occur.
When it's taken by force, the opposite ends up happening.
They take the money to help the kids and they're going to hurt the kids.
Yeah, but of course, the other thing, too, is that because we know that there's bell curve differences in intelligence between the races and between ethnicities, which I've, for those who are surprised by that, I've talked about that a number of times on the show with a wide variety of experts.
But of course, without massive government transfers of wealth...
And without the government hiring, I mean, would it not be fair to say that some of the races or ethnicities would end up with significantly lower incomes just based upon the IQ spread?
And then everyone would jump all over Canada and say, ah, you see, it's got to be a racist country because the blacks or the Hispanics or whatever, they're only making X of them.
And of course, the invisible Asians who make more than the whites and the Jews, right?
I can't talk about those, right?
So it's another way of helping to close the gap Yeah, I guess.
Yeah.
But it's just vote buying.
Vote buying and pandering and all that kind of stuff.
Because you pay, other people take, but you both get one vote.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, Romney said, and he's pretty right, he said, look, close to half the US population is never going to vote for us because they're dependent on the government and we want to cut government.
Yeah, and that's just automatically going to get their vote.
But don't you find that Canada's become, well, with Trudeau, I feel like it's just worse.
And maybe it is a time that you just decide to leave.
My husband and I were thinking, maybe we should just leave.
If it gets a lot worse, maybe Canada's not the right country to try to build...
Your family and really build what you want to do in this world.
Maybe it's not a place that's beneficial for us.
We'd probably maybe do better somewhere else.
I don't know.
It certainly is a possibility and Trudeau as a whole is...
Going to be the usual socialist disaster nightmare for Canada.
Yeah, and for probably 10, 15 years at least.
And then there's all the, like, after that, then we have to live with all the consequences.
So it's kind of like the worst.
At that point, we'll be getting, like, closer to retirement.
We don't want to be here for that.
Like, maybe we should leave now.
We can't.
Well, look, I mean, you know, the sort of where to go is a big challenge in the world.
But the other thing, too...
Megan, that I would say is that don't underestimate, and this may not be the case anymore because the liberals in the 90s were much more old school, but the liberals in the 90s cut government enormously relative to where it was before.
So if you have government to cut...
If you have conservatives in power, then of course all the lefty liberals go hysterically screaming down the streets and try and goad as much as possible.
And the media, the media will circle the wagons to protect the narrative of the evil, cold-blooded, materialistic, leftist conservatives stealing bread from the mouths of the helpless children and so on.
Because they hope that that will vault their lefties' pets into power.
On the other hand, if the left is in power and decides to cut government, then the media tends to circle around and protect whatever they're doing.
They're being prudence.
They're being wise.
They're guarding the future of Canada and blah, blah, blah, right?
The old only Nixon can go to China.
He was an anti-communist who went to China to build relations.
And so having, you know, when push comes to shove, when the shite hits the fan, it's not always the end of the world to have lefties in as long as they're not complete ideologues.
Now, the degree to which, you know, Mr.
Fluffy Hair, ex-snowboard instructor, I think he is a fluffy ideologue.
And you have to remember, he was raised by a mentally very balanced woman.
I'm sorry?
I really think he is.
I think he would be willing to go down for whatever.
Like, he really, truly believes that if you just...
I don't think...
I think he just...
It does not have any economic sense.
Like, I think he just thinks that if you just all meditate and do yoga and say kind things, then that's going to run the country.
Well, you know, he's a 1% of the 1%, right?
I mean, he was raised...
As a complete political elite, as a cultural elite, as a social elite.
He's as far from the man of the people as you can conceivably get without resurrecting Lord Fauntleroy in a little blue sailor suit with electricity.
And so the idea that he can afford to live in ideology because he's never had to live in reality.
Yeah.
He's never had bills to pay that he can't pay.
He's always been popular.
Not only is he rich, but he's good-looking and athletic and all that kind of stuff.
And so the idea that he's going to have some kind of reality metric in him I think he doesn't live anywhere close to reality.
It's like what Elton John said about Freddie Mercury.
He's like, Freddie Mercury doesn't know the price of milk, for heaven's sakes.
He doesn't know how much things cost.
I mean, he just has people trail after him and pay for things.
But I think there's still a lot of common sense left in Canada.
And there is some on the left.
And...
If there do have to be cuts, then it's not always the end of the world.
I mean, I know this makes a case, oh, put Hillary in, because to me it's a little bit different in the States for reasons we don't have to go into right now.
But there is a pragmatic streak in Canadians, right?
There is a kind of harshness to, you know, remember, I mean, these are people who came over and tamed the Canadian bush.
Right.
Which...
I guess that's part of what these transfer payments are designed to do is taint the Canadian Bush.
Actually, to subsidize it.
But there is a sort of hard-nosed pragmatism left over in Canada.
So there's an indulgence of ideology, but there is still a pretty solid sense of pragmatism.
And we'll see.
The other thing, too, is that Trudeau is one person when Barack Obama is in power.
He may be quite another person, and I think he will have to be, if one Donald J. Trump gets in the car.
Yeah, I think so, too.
I think it will really change.
There may be a ripple reality effect.
Who knows?
Yeah.
Well, I think he'll just...
Yeah, he could...
I think that it could be beneficial, for sure.
Because then you'd have, like, whatever happens there, we'll see the effects.
Because Trudeau is just going to react to it.
He won't.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it's going to like watching a shark with an anchovy, but...
So here's my sort of final speech about the way to approach it.
You care about people, and I respect and recognize that.
You have your children, so your time slice is a lot wider than a lot of other people's.
But, Megan, this is the basic reality.
Get the resources that you can get for your family, and sit back and try to enjoy the show.
I know there are children involved.
I know there's gonna be a lot of suffering.
I think that's very sad.
But, you know, it's like a doctor.
You're a doctor?
And you tell people, you gotta stop smoking.
You gotta cut back on your fat intake, your sugar intake.
You're gonna get sick.
You're gonna get sick.
And they're like, no, I'm good.
I'm fine.
Why are you trying to take away my fun?
You're mean.
And, you know, you have to detach yourself emotionally from the outcome.
You have to.
That's a basic survival mechanism.
When society is going down, you cannot hang on.
If you're in a sub and you're standing on top and then the sub gets hit with something and starts to sink, what do you do with the sub?
Let go.
You have to give yourself that emotional distance.
Like you're watching a movie.
Like it's just all happening out there.
Because you are watching a movie.
You can't go in and change it.
I can't go in and change it.
Right.
So you're watching a movie and the movie has good guys and it has bad guys.
And hopefully the good guys prosper and the bad guys...
Don't.
But you have to detach yourself from that because, you know, we're case-selected.
We care.
We have perhaps pathological altruism.
We don't want people to suffer.
But if they cause the suffering themselves, and there are people that get angry at, again, who am I blaming?
I think that the media, to some degree, is the most culpable, but that's, you know, maybe the...
I don't just mean the media like newsprint or that, but movies and television shows are all pushing the same crap.
But a culture that won't learn from reason has to learn from bitter experience.
And we have to detach ourselves from that outcome because it'll torture us, we'll go crazy, and we can't change it.
You know, we can put arguments out there.
I mean, I'm certainly working my best, but we can't change in terms of whether people will listen to us or won't listen to us, whether they will act or they won't act.
And right now, there's a whole lot of not acting going on, at least in all places in the West except America, I think.
So, this is the script.
This is the story.
This is the movie.
Is it going to have a sad ending?
It is.
It's going to have a very sad ending, I think, unless people really start listening to reason.
In which case, it's going to be less sad, but I think it's going to have a sad ending.
I think people are going to have to learn from bitter experience.
They have to have their never again moment when it comes to government spending and subsidies and destruction of the family and single motherhood and debt and junk, all that sort of crap, right?
Mm-hmm.
And it kind of has to run its course.
It's like a fever.
I think at this point, it kind of has to run its course.
And, you know, we hopefully have good information out there so that when it runs its course and there's a big transition point, people will look to those who predicted it and who were right and hopefully will ask advice on what to do better.
So...
You have to find a way to detach yourself.
Just look at this like, wow, this is a really sad story.
Wow, this is a really tragic movie.
Wow, this is really bad what they're doing.
And I can't find any other way to look at it and not go crazy.
I mean, because it is, I have as much control over Canadian political decisions as I do over a movie that's being projected on a screen.
I guess I can go and make some bunny ears.
But it's not going to do much yet.
But I can't really do much else.
So, just find a way.
You sit back.
And say, well, a big giant life lesson is coming, people.
And, you know, I'll put words out there, but it's not up to me as to whether it stops or not.
It's up to everyone else.
And if they won't stop it, then it's going to happen and it's going to be unpleasant.
And I'm sorry for everything.
I'm sorry for everyone who didn't listen.
Just as if you don't quit smoking, your doctor is sorry if you get sick.
But he cannot bind himself to your sinking sub.
Then there's nobody left to rebuild.
No, that makes sense.
Yeah, you just kind of can't get wrapped up in it.
Just sit back and do what's best for your family, but then...
Your responsibility is to your husband and your kids.
Yeah.
In my opinion.
And that's your prime.
So get resources so that you have as much capacity to manage a transition in a sort of as graceful a manner as possible.
You know, whatever that means, right?
I mean, there's a bunch of different things you can do.
And...
That's your responsibility, not to society, not to the kids of the people who are doing all this kind of stuff.
And I'm sorry for the kids, but it's not my fault.
In fact, if people listened to me, they'd be a whole lot better off.
It's all the fault of the people who don't listen.
It's all the fault of the people who don't listen and the people who actively interfere.
With the listening process, right?
So you try and talk about cutting this crap, and the media's like, you hate kids, you hate minorities, they hate white privilege, and they just are out there pouring as much poison into the ear of humanity as possible.
Well, I think they're responsible.
So, you know, if the shit hits the fan, Megan, it's on them.
It's not on you.
It's on them.
It's on them.
It's not on you.
It's not on me.
It's not on the people who are telling the truth and trying to prevent these kinds of disasters.
It's on all the other people who, because of their own sickness and misery and hostility and manipulation and lust for power, it's all those people's fault because they won't let a civilized discussion occur about these things.
You know, you bring up these topics.
Oh, you hate the poor!
Okay?
So when the poor end up in a really bad place, it's on you, my friend.
It's not on me.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I think I need to read that book, Gorilla Mindset.
I was listening to Mike Cernovich's show, and I was like, yeah, maybe that's what I need to do.
I need to just be like, okay, whatever happens, it's okay.
I'm just going to act like I'm dead.
Yes.
And so, you know, the arguments that are put forward, ah, the Liberal government says the new program will push nearly 300,000 Canadian children out of poverty.
It's like, well, Canadians pay ridiculously high taxes.
Why are those children in poverty in the first place if the government's so efficient and helpful?
And, you know, that's crazy.
Who doesn't want poverty to be lowered?
Don't you want poverty to be lowered for children?
It's like, I do.
In the same way I want people to be happy, that doesn't mean I want to Inject cocaine into their eyeballs.
Anyway, listen, I've got to move on to the next caller, but I really do appreciate the call, and I hope this helps.
Just remember, you can get angry at the people who are interfering with the rational conversation.
All the miseries that result are on them, not on you.
And hopefully that will give you some relief.
No, I appreciate it.
Thanks so much, Stefan.
All right, thank you.
Bye-bye.
Alright, up next is Mutea.
He wrote in and said, Why does the media fail to point out Republican or independent African Americans?
Instead, there is a consistent barrage by the media stating that most, if not all, African Americans are all Democratic liberals.
Since I consider myself an American Republican of Nigerian African descent, this is one of the most annoying things that I have seen the media pushing.
That's from Mutea.
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
And if you don't mind me asking, you said of Nigerian African descent, second generation, third generation?
How far are we digging back through the tunnel of time here?
It would be first generation.
So my parents came from Nigeria and I was born in Texas.
Ah, okay.
And how did you end up defying the odds and the stereotypes and ending up on the Republican side of things?
Well, you know, I would say a big part of it is just my upbringing.
We weren't, for example, when we were growing up, we weren't really raised with what I guess a lot of African Americans are raised with here in the country to, you know, believe a certain way about, you know, Caucasians or white people to, you know, I guess, you know, don't be careful around the cops, things like that.
I mean, these are just things that weren't taught in my house growing up to my brother or my sister or I. We were just essentially...
So you didn't get the helpful injection of bottomless racial resentment that seems to have helped the African-American community so much?
I'm sorry you were so underprivileged with that narrative, Mudia.
That's very tragic.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Please thank your parents for me.
Not just as a philosopher, but as a white person.
Please thank your parents for me for giving you that gift of not having massive chips on your shoulder about everything that breathes and doesn't tan well.
Yeah, it's very frustrating, actually.
So I grew up in the suburbs of Houston, Texas, and I grew up in a pretty diverse place.
We had Filipinos, Vietnamese, white, black, sheiks.
Muslims, everything.
So for me, that was the world I was brought into.
I didn't really understand racism.
In fact, I had gone through a lot of racist things growing up, but I didn't even understand it.
Honestly, I didn't understand it until I was getting close to my 20s.
I looked back and said, oh, okay, now I see what was going on.
Sorry, just tell me what you mean by going through a lot of racist stuff.
If you don't mind.
So there was one time there was a, they were doing, it was an event where they were doing like a cookout on our street, our neighborhood street.
And I went outside, you know, just like, oh, I wonder what's going on here.
And I went and, you know, I started grabbing some of the food and they're just kind of like, oh, you're not welcome here.
I'm like, why?
Why?
This is literally my driveway that I'm coming out of to grab some food from this cookout.
And I don't know, I had perceived it was...
I guess looking back, I thought, okay, maybe that was racist a little bit.
I'm not too sure.
I guess I didn't dig into it, really.
Did they say why they didn't want you around?
Maybe they just didn't want people taking their food.
Maybe if you've been polka-dotted there to say, hey, did you figure out why?
Did they ever say?
No, I never figured out why.
I didn't figure out why.
I gotta tell you, I mean, sorry to interrupt, but I just wanted to mention, I find it really frustrating when racists, if they were racists, I really find it frustrating when racists don't follow through.
You know, let's say somebody just didn't like you because of the color of your skin or whatever, and they said, you're not welcome around here, and you'd say, why?
I'd say, because you're black!
You know, at least then there's not this, huh, I wonder if I misinterpreted something or I wonder if I jumped the gun or whatever.
So when people are racist, it's usually very helpful if they just follow through.
You know, like the Black Lives Matter, there was a march on the DNC, right, the Democratic get-together, and they said, white people go to the back.
Why?
Because you're white.
Okay, that's a racist who's following through.
No ambiguity.
No, well, maybe I got it wrong.
Maybe I just, you know, maybe I'm being paranoid and so on.
Nope.
Straight on.
Color of skin.
That's it.
But if they, so, you know, if it was because of the color of your skin, obviously, I'm sorry.
That's a terrible and nasty thing to happen.
But it's kind of annoying to me that they weren't just, like, if you're going to be racist, you know, commit to it.
It's like doing a comedy bit.
Like, it doesn't matter how badly it's going.
You just got to commit to it no matter what.
You know, now actually looking back at it, I could be totally wrong because...
A big part of why I thought it was racist was because I was told, oh yeah, so the parents of the people that I was speaking with, I knew their son, and we would play dodgeball and tetherball and play different games and things like that, and there was a rumor going around.
It was actually a rumor.
Now I remember.
It was a rumor going around that they were racist.
It was a rumor.
It was just a rumor on the neighborhood block.
See, now this is what I'm saying.
It shouldn't be a rumor.
It shouldn't be a rumor.
It should be fully confirmed that they're racist.
You know, put it on the lawn sign, you know, bigotry here, you know, whatever it's going to be.
Like, put their little dogs in KKK hats, whatever it's going to be.
Just make it clear because that way people don't end up feeling paranoid.
It's like, yep, racist, right there, right up front.
Exactly.
And now, you know, this is good.
Having this conversation with you now, I'm realizing that I was falling into the, I guess, the status quo thought process of assuming people are racist because of how I felt or assuming someone was being racist because of what I thought or emotions without actually validating it.
And you know what?
I take all that back now.
They may have not been racist at all.
It just could have been that we weren't invited to the party.
Or at least I wasn't.
Not we, but I wasn't.
My parents could have got an invite and just didn't show up.
And, you know, I walked over there and was just grabbing some food and it's like, hey, you know, calm down.
You know, if you start grabbing food from my lawn and I'm having a private barbecue, I might say something too, but only because I thought you were gay.
No, I'm kidding.
So, you know, I'm just, it's possible, right?
But that's why, you know, this is, I invite this, racists, you know, just go for it.
You know, we'll like you a lot more if you're totally honest about it, rather than this, all this around the edges stuff, because that's just really annoying, because it's just enough to make people feel uneasy and unsettled, but not enough to give them the relief of knowing that they're really being victims of racism.
So that's just my particular take on it.
And hopefully people will listen to that and just commit to whatever vices you happen to be practicing.
It makes life so much easier for everyone else.
I agree.
All right.
Was there anything else?
So we've got one barbecue where you basically went in and stole things.
No, I'm kidding.
Do you have any of what are the other things that happened that were along those lines for you?
I had another situation where, so it was a friend, there was this big game back when I was growing up called, we were young, we always used to play lots of video games.
I don't really play very many games now.
I don't have time to now.
I'm always working.
But back when I was younger, everyone played this game called Final Fantasy VII that came out and everybody was playing it and it was just the craziest game in the world.
I didn't have the game system.
I just...
I didn't have the game.
I think my brother would...
Sorry.
First of all, it just annoys me.
When somebody says, final, stop making sequels.
Like, what are you, the who, touring or share?
Final tour!
Until next year.
Final!
Fantasy!
Wait, okay, no, there's another one.
But what game system was it on?
I don't remember.
Was that on the PC? No, I don't think so.
It was on the PlayStation.
Right, okay.
We had Nintendo and one of my friends had the PlayStation.
So I went to his house and we played the Final Fantasy VII game and I was playing it and we were just having a good time.
And then he had a babysitter.
And I was there while I was babysitting.
It was there.
And I went back to the house one time and they're like, you're not welcome here anymore.
And I said, well, why?
And they said, well, because you stole something.
You stole the batteries or something like that.
And I'm like, I didn't steal any batteries.
I don't know what you're talking about, about me stealing batteries or anything like that.
And I had...
I guess, looking back at a certain time in my life, assumed, well, I guess it was because I'm black.
I just didn't want me to go over there.
But that's assuming that there aren't other good reasons to dislike you.
Yeah, it could have been because I was black.
No, because people don't like me, and I could ascribe it to a wide variety of things, but it may just be that I'm unlikable to some people in very significant ways, and I fully accept that.
But do you have any idea where the stole batteries came from?
Yeah, we were looking for batteries.
I can't remember the reason why.
This is such a long time ago.
We were looking for batteries for either like a toy gun or some type of toy thing, and we couldn't find the batteries.
And I remember we both, he helped me climb on the cabinet so I could look for the batteries in there, and we didn't find them.
We didn't see them.
And after that, we're just like, okay, well, let's just go back and finish playing the game.
We go back and finish playing the game, and then I leave, and I come back, you know, a couple days later, knock on his door, and it's like, oh, you stole the batteries.
I'm like...
Now, it could be that your friend got in big trouble for something missing and just blamed you because you were the last kid over.
Yeah.
Like, I'll just...
Let me share a tiny story from my history.
So, way back in the day, I had...
An Atari 800.
Yes, you can still find, for some really chunky ASCII-style graphics.
Actually, the graphics weren't bad, but I had an Atari 800, and there was some kid who was in my school, happened to be a black kid, and he came over.
And, you know, we were supposed to play this game, and it was a basketball game, and I think I only had one joystick.
And so he played the game, he played the game, and he, like, didn't talk to me the whole time.
And then when he was done playing the game, he kind of got up and said, okay, I'm going, and he left my house.
And so it's like, okay, so I'm staring at your head playing a video game, and then you just get up and go.
And so, you know, you always think, okay, well, maybe he just was in a bad mood or was having a bad day or whatever.
And so, you know, next time we were playing football or soccer together, and he's like, can I come over and play a video game?
And I'm like, yeah, came over.
Grabbed the joystick, played the video game, stayed for about an hour, got up, said I'm going now, and went home.
And next time we were together, and he's like, can I come over?
I'm like, nope.
Now, I don't know.
Maybe he went back and said, man, that's racism.
And it's like, nope, it's not racism.
It's just because it's no fun for me, right?
And it wasn't like I was all adept at being able to explain my needs and negotiate.
Like I was, you know, I was like 11 or whatever, right?
But, you know, I'm like, no, I'm sorry.
I don't want you to come over because I can't do what I'm doing because you're overplaying a video.
I can't go do something else.
I can't use my computer because you're using it.
I give you some pop, which, you know, I was the kind of kid who had like So little pop that I'd have to fill up the cups of water with like 90% ice, you know, like some cheap carnival ride or something, you know, like, here is your ice with pop flavor.
And so, yeah, I mean, like, what was in it for me?
It was nothing in it for me having this kid come over and play video games and not chat with me and basically just use me, you know, for now I know how women feel.
Just use me for my joystick and...
So, you know, maybe he went back, and this is, I mean, it's not particularly relevant to what you're saying, but my point is it had nothing to do with his ethnicity.
It was just, you know, he was kind of a jerk and kind of not interested in socializing.
He just wanted to use my video game console or video game computer, and that really wasn't that much fun for me.
But I don't know, maybe he's going to call in some podcast at some point and say, yeah, that racist guy just, you know, didn't let me come over and whatever, right?
Wow.
You know, this is really eye-opening.
You know, I had never really taken the time to...
And I mean, I reflected on many things, but I guess I'd never really taken the time to sit down and really reflect on this and understand, okay, Moody, it's not because of my skin color.
It's just because maybe there was some other situation that caused that.
But, you know...
I don't want to put the blame on anything, but, you know, if there is anything I would scapegoat it on, I'd say...
The race card is played so much in the media.
I mean, it's just...
Anything happens between an African-American and a Caucasian-American, and it's immediately...
The race card is immediately played, and it's because of racism.
And it's not really dug into at all.
It's not really looked into.
It's just, you know, these are just racist cops.
And that narrative is played over and over and over again.
And I don't know, for me it's just extremely frustrating.
I think it makes things harder than For example, I'm originally from Texas, and I moved to New York for a job opportunity about six months ago.
There's a big difference here that I've noticed.
People are definitely more vocal.
They're more open to discussing even racism or race, race baiting, all of that.
I was hanging out with a couple of friends, and I do want to state that all the people I was hanging out with, they were either of African or African-American descent.
And I have a wide group of friends.
I have friends from every nationality, but this time it just happened to be African-American friends.
And it was just right after the shooting that took place, or the two shootings that took place, and I believe it was in Minnesota and in Baton Rouge, Louisiana and in Minnesota with the cops.
The sort of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile ones?
Yes, Alton Sterling and Philando Castile.
And immediately, you know, we were having a conversation about it and I was really keeping my mouth shut because I have my views on it.
Wait a minute.
Okay, I'm sorry to interrupt you, man.
It's a great story.
You had to keep your mouth shut around black people because you had different opinions?
Yeah, I did.
Okay.
See, that's the kind of individualism we're looking for in the black community.
I didn't want to offend anyone.
You know, I just met these people and I don't want to offend anybody.
I'm just going to keep my mouth shut.
And then the golden question comes, right?
The golden question comes.
And one of the people there...
She's a female, and she asked me, as an African-American man, how are things for you?
How hard is this for you?
What does this make you feel like walking around on the streets?
How are things harder for you in America?
And I'm just completely shocked.
I'm like, I can't believe you just asked me that question.
I mean, I understand where it's coming from, but she doesn't understand my upbringing.
And, well...
Sorry to interrupt, but isn't it a little bigoted to assume that you're an African American?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, you're not part of the African American legacy, you know, the 400 years and all that kind of stuff.
I mean, you come from Nigeria, your parents come from Nigeria.
So assuming that you're a part of this whole narrative is, well, you know, you're black, therefore you must be an African American in the way that they sort of mean that.
I mean, yeah, that's racist, right?
Yeah.
Again, I'm trying not to use the R word unless, you know, somebody's actually stringing someone up or whatever, but it's definitely not overly curious, to put it mildly, right?
It's like, you know, like if somebody had talked to me about white privilege when I was 11, you know, the most popular kid in my entire school was this amazingly cool black guy.
And, you know, I was not and feel all kinds of privileged.
It wouldn't have made much sense to me.
But Anyway, it just seems odd that they would immediately assume that you'd be absolutely part of that African-American narrative, despite the fact that your cultural background would be distinct from that African-American experience, you know, post-slavery and all.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's, you just nailed it on the head.
That is my thought process, because my parents never taught me anything about slavery.
It wasn't even taught to us.
In fact, my parents had a different, my parents said, you know, the British were in Nigeria, they helped develop Nigeria, and they were very good to us.
And my parents have British names.
And they only have good things to say about the British.
Now, I know that wasn't the full story, the full narrative, but they experienced, the experience they had growing up was good.
I mean, so I'm sitting here thinking, okay, Well, this is good.
Everyone's good with each other.
Everyone should be good with each other.
And then the school I went to growing up, my teacher was amazing.
And she was white.
She was the greatest teacher and she was the most amazing teacher ever.
Made me feel so special as a child growing up.
I went to an amazing school.
That was another good thing, too.
Even with police officers.
I never had anything bad with police officers.
Even when I acted a fool.
There was one time where I, you know, there's multiple times, but I've had multiple encounters where I was with the wrong crowd of people or...
I had gotten in a fight before, different fights, and it was always, hey, we understand that things just got a little too hot, and just next time, don't do that.
And we understand where you're coming from.
There was one time, and I'll be very discreet, one of my best friends, he had stolen a bike, and I was with him.
I was telling him not to do it, though, but I was with him.
He stole the bike.
And when the cop came to...
Take him.
I guess, you know, put him in the back of the cop car.
It wasn't like, oh my gosh, there's this black kid with him.
He did it.
I'm going to need backup.
The black in the neighborhood.
Bring in the helicopters.
I need some flashbangs.
It was...
In all honesty, I had nothing to do with it.
I told him not to do it.
I didn't fully follow him to where he went and took the bike.
And then ended up getting caught and then ended up getting wrestled down to the ground by this sumo wrestler guy who called the cops on him.
But at the end of the day, it was, hey, we understand that this is your friend, but we also understand that you were trying to tell him not to do it.
But it's just so funny how none of these stories are ever talked about in the media.
Nothing like this is ever discussed.
The thing is, too, is that this sort of targeted policing, that happened to me as well.
I was with a friend of mine, and we were probably 13 or 14, and we both came from single mom households, which means that we were basically feral, wild boys, lost boys raising ourselves.
And we had a Frisbee, and we were out after dark.
I can't remember if it was summer or not.
It was pretty warm out, though.
And me, I love Frisbees.
And skipping, oh man, that's like my big thing, right?
Like if you can do a nice skip curve and get it to go back up to the person and get it to their hand, that's great stuff.
Best place to do that is a parking lot late at night, especially in a mall, like at 10 o'clock or 10.30 at night because the cars are all gone and you've got lots of room to do it all.
So there we were playing Frisbee at 10, 10.30 at night and a cop car comes by and basically asks us what we're doing there.
You know, what are you guys doing in a mall parking lot way after closing?
And I said, love me some Frisbee, officer, and, you know, it's the best place to do it, and all that.
And we had a conversation, and away they went.
You know, I wasn't, oh, I'm targeted and profiled, and, oh, resentment of the cops.
It's like, you know, it costs five minutes of my life, you know, and it helps make them all safer.
That's fine with me.
Wow.
Yeah.
And, you know, so this goes back to the conversation that I essentially had with them that night.
I told them, I said, hey, you know, this was my upbringing.
This is how I was raised.
I mean, I wasn't raised, I guess you can say, as a traditional.
And I'm not trying to stereotype because I really don't know enough.
I need to spend more time with the African-American community of America.
No, listen, Moudia, seriously, you just have to ask me.
Just ask me.
Listen, if you need to know anything about the African-American experience, I am the gateway to the Ebonic experience.
Just ask me and I'll tell you anything and everything.
I'm just kidding.
Go on.
So I had...
I spoke with them about it, and I told them, and they were actually shocked.
She said, oh, wow, I've never heard of this perspective before.
This is really interesting.
And that's about as far as it went.
I guess they wanted a different answer.
Wait, she said this is really interesting, as in, well, you're a fine and unusual specimen.
So, are you...
So she said, this is really interesting, and then that was the end of the conversation?
Yeah, we jumped on the Pokemon Go after that immediately.
No, no, but that's interesting.
I mean, if someone says this is really interesting, isn't that usually the gateway to continuing the conversation?
Like, you know, you and I go to see a movie, Mudia, and I'm like, within 15 minutes, I'm like, wow, this is a fantastic film.
Let's go.
Let's leave.
Let's go get our money back.
I love this film.
It's like, what?
What are you talking about?
If something's interesting, shouldn't you want to know more?
I agree.
I do agree.
So, from there, we started talking about other things.
But, you know, it just brings me back to the whole...
I guess I got really upset about this with the Black Lives Matter movement.
And I had watched a video about Black Trump supporters destroy MSNBC host.
And I watched...
It's about a minute-long video on YouTube.
And it essentially...
That's usually about how long it takes.
Anyway, go on.
It essentially talks...
There's a reporter, MSNBC... And it's an African American woman, and she's talking about how, I guess, they were looking into the Trump supporters and the new people that he was bringing into the quote-unquote Republican Party, the way they were saying it, bringing into the Republican Party.
And they said, well, let's take a look.
I think we have one of our reporters down there.
Let's take a look and look at what's going on here in this Trump rally.
And it's an African-American man with his Caucasian friend.
And they're there and they're just talking, having a good time.
And he says, hey, all this stuff about David Duke and these things about they're trying to race bait and make Trump look like he's racist, this is ridiculous.
He says, I'm sitting here with my white friend, my white American friend, and we're having a great time.
This is not about racism.
And they immediately cut the clip, and they start saying things like, oh, well, and the reporter says, well, let me just make this clear.
Obviously, he does not represent African Americans.
There's not a lot of black Trump supporters, obviously.
Yeah.
But I'm sorry.
And, you know, people will link to this video.
I saw it too.
And I must say, I watched it more than once.
Because the woman's face, when it comes back, is like, narrative breaking, narrative breaking, call back up propaganda.
We've lost the main narrative.
It's breaking up, Captain!
I mean, her face was just like, oh shit.
You know, I just lactated into my coffee.
Actually, that might be tasty.
I don't know.
But yeah, that is, you know, when the narrative breaks.
And that black guy was great.
He's like, yeah, I'm sitting here, you know, chilling with my white friend.
And they look, like, friendly.
And it's just like, ah.
It was absolutely ridiculous.
And, you know, these are the things that we don't hear about.
We don't hear about this.
Yeah.
And it's really sad.
So it kind of brings me back to why I identify as Republican.
I'd say a mixture between, I guess, Republican and Independent, because I don't agree with, I'd say, everything Republican.
I mean, there's certain things that, gosh, that I don't fully agree with.
So for me, it just has to do with my dad's...
My dad came from a village, right, in Africa.
He...
His family's from a village, and I've been there.
I've been to Nigeria three times, so I've been to the village.
I've seen where he came from.
He moved to the city when he was young, lived with his brother.
His brother was a businessman.
He went through school.
He became a math teacher, where he met my mom.
He was tutoring my mom, so it wasn't like my mom was a student or anything like that.
He was tutoring her, so they were around the same age.
He then got his visa, came to the United States, and then got his PhD.
Started his own business and created a very successful business.
So I don't believe in handouts because I wasn't raised to believe in handouts.
I was raised to believe in hard work, perseverance, education, focus, self-control.
But Moody, your IQ is through the roof, right?
I mean your dad is a genius.
Your mom, I assume, is smart, if not equally intelligent to your dad, because, you know, geniuses don't usually marry dull women.
So, you also won the lottery as far as just, you know, it's probably why they didn't want to spend their lives in Nigeria, right?
I mean, Nigeria doesn't strike me as the intelligence capital of the planet, no offense intended, but, you know, they wanted to get out, they wanted to come to a place like America where your parents' significant intelligence could have full scope to achieve something.
Exactly, yeah.
Exactly.
And you have that scope, too.
Yeah.
And...
You know, and one of the big problems, of course, is that, you know, I mean, I completely understand why your parents did what they did.
And I'm not saying that I would do anything differently.
But it does mean that that's a pair of geniuses who ain't in Nigeria anymore.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, I'm sure they've thought of that, too.
And it's like, you know, I mean, I, you know, because who is going to make Nigeria better if all the smart people are, oh, God, we got to get out of this place, right?
Yeah, that's true.
You got to have...
Hopefully someone go back and try to fix things up or help things out there.
It's a very corrupt country.
Every Nigerian will tell you that.
It is.
It's corrupt.
I just don't want to see that happen to America.
Right, right.
So as to why...
Black African Americans.
It's not about race and it's not about gender with the media.
It's not about race and it's not about gender.
They'll keep telling you it's about race and it's about gender, but it's not.
Because if you are on the left...
The media will circle the wagons.
Now, if you're a woman on the left, and if you're a black on the left, or you're a white on the left, it doesn't really matter.
An Asian on the left.
If you're on the left, the media will go to the wall to protect you, to keep negative information about you from the public, to bury as much as they can to avoid any topics that cast aspersions upon you, if you're on the left.
What matters is the left, the socialist stuff.
It doesn't matter the race, the gender, the whatever, right?
On the other hand, if you're on the right, Then they'll attack you no matter what.
Like, if you're black, they'll attack you.
If you're gay, they'll attack you, as Milo has sort of experienced over the years.
If you're black, they will attack you.
At the very least, they'll fail to defend you.
I mean, you could look at the different experiences of multiple accusations of sexual assault and rape.
One of them is Bill Clinton.
The other is Bill Cosby.
Bill Cosby is more on the right.
Bill Clinton is more on the left.
So Bill Clinton gets a free pass.
Bill Cosby, well, whoever accuses him must be true.
And we're going to gather all these women.
We're going to put them together on a magazine cover.
And we're going to boom, boom, boom.
Have they ever got all of Clinton's accusers?
On the cover of a magazine and said, we must believe them because it's true and reported endlessly on every accusation.
No.
Because Bill Clinton, he's white, but he's on the left.
So he's the protected class.
Bill Cosby is black, but he's on the right.
I don't know if he's a conservative or not, like officially, but he does talk about, you know, the black community fixing its own problems.
And of course, if the black community does fix its own problems, which of course we all want to have happen, then the Democrats won't have much to sell them anymore.
So there is no particular incentive for the media to help the black community solve their own problems.
So anyone who comes along with suggestions that will help the black community fix their own problems as you can...
The pound cake speech.
You can look this up and there's other speeches that Bill Caspi made.
And Bill Caspi's very success, of course.
And Bill Caspi had a very, very high IQ as well.
We've got a whole presentation about him.
Or if you look at women...
If you really want to be horrified by this language, look up what Bill Maher, M-A-H-E-R, was saying about Sarah Palin.
He used the See You Next Tuesday word, I mean, just hammered on her.
Look at how the media treated Michelle Bachman.
Michelle Bachman versus the way that they treat Hillary Clinton.
Michelle Bachman, it's a totally different planet.
So they'll try and tell you it's about gender and it's about race and it's about sexual orientation.
It has nothing to do with any of those things fundamentally.
Those are just the covers.
Those are the distractions.
Those are like the pickpocket, the two-person pickpocket team, like the one bumps into, the other one reaches in and takes your wallet.
Well, it's all about promoting the left and attacking the right.
And this is why the right generally wins because they're stronger.
They're swimming upstream.
And so what it does is it punishes people for being on the right and rewards people for being on the left.
It has nothing to do with moral considerations whatsoever.
And what it does is it tries to lure people into the protection of being on the left.
Because if you're on the left, you can do just about anything and get away with it.
Like Anthony Weiner who, you know, tweeted his junk to like a bunch of women or whatever – They tried to rehabilitate him.
That's Uma Abedin's husband.
Husband, I think, was.
But they tried to rehabilitate him.
I was reading this article about, you know, he's fighting his way back from his addiction and he's going to do good and he really cares and he's going to help the poor.
And then I think he did something else ridiculously appropriate.
And they gave up on him.
But they'll even try to rehabilitate.
So what the media is saying is, come to the left.
They're like Darth Vader with the dark side.
Come to the left.
You will be protected.
We will always protect you.
Whoever accuses you shall be attacked in return.
We shall troll everyone who speaks negatively of you.
You can strangle hobos and we shall cover up the bodies with our tears of sympathy, pretend sympathy for the poor.
And so people are lured like a gravity well into the leftist protectionist magic circle And then they say, and should you go to the right?
Should you join Luke and the rebellion?
We shall train all of our lasers upon you and you shall never have a moment's peace.
And even if you don't do anything, we'll attack you.
But on the left, if you do anything and everything, we'll defend you.
And so there's this weird...
It's a distortionary gravity well that pulls people.
You know, like the right is like Ceres, the little asteroid, and the left is like Jupiter, hundreds of times bigger than the Earth, pulling people in.
Come to our protective umbrella.
Wouldn't you want to go in for the big deadly fight knowing that you can't ever be hit?
Isn't that great?
You know, whereas if...
If you're a right-wing person and you're going into the fight, I mean, not only will they tie their hands behind your back, but they'll drop a piece of masonry on your head and call it a fair fight.
It's not race-baiting, because the degree to which the left race-baits Blacks on the right, oh man, they're brutal.
It's got nothing to do with race, nothing to do with gender, nothing to do with sexual orientation, nothing to do with anything, nothing to do with Islamophobia.
It's all about the left and their promotion of power.
Does that help at all?
Yeah, that definitely does clear a lot of things up for me.
Good, because I did all that in one breath.
I'm quite proud.
I'm kidding.
Because I'm a beluga, actually.
Wow.
Yeah, thank you.
I feel a lot lighter now.
I had to go on that little rant for a bit, but it...
Wait, are you saying I've turned you white?
I feel a lot lighter now.
I just thought that was kind of funny.
Did I whiten you up there, Frank?
No, I just...
I had a lot of frustrations, and it's...
I had a lot of frustrations with just what was going on.
I felt like I really couldn't talk to a lot of people about it.
I felt like I was kind of just in a bubble and I was just holding all these frustrations in and talking to you about it's really helped me to One, reflect on wrong beliefs that I had from childhood.
And two, help me to understand that it's not all about racism.
It's not all about race-bathing.
The media was getting to me just a little bit.
I've been watching too much.
Oh yeah, they're trying to.
They're trying to.
And the real white privilege is recognizing that people can dislike you for very legitimate reasons that have nothing to do with the color of your skin.
Whereas, of course, if Someone like you, or particularly African-Americans, if they have a negative experience, particularly if it's with a white person, they have the out called, he's racist.
As opposed to, Maybe I just went to his house and played video games, didn't talk to him, and marched out.
Maybe it's not my skin color.
Maybe it's my behavior.
And there's a guy, I don't know, I mean, he's interesting to listen to.
He's very interesting to listen to.
He's given me a lot of stimulation in not just this area, but I'm really turning over this whole question of forgiveness and all of that, but that's a topic for another time.
His name is Jesse Lee Peterson.
I've done an interview with him, but it's not released.
And he says that, I'm paraphrasing here, but it's something like this.
It's not race that matters, it's behavior that matters.
It's behavior that matters.
I completely agree.
I 100% completely agree.
And just to piggyback on that, so I've heard things such as, and these are from people that I grew up with.
I've heard things such as, you know, white privilege.
Oh, you know, just, oh, they're just white privilege.
These are not black people, by the way, that I heard this from.
I'm sorry.
I'd just like to apologize for all the white people who use that term.
It's just, anyway, go ahead.
Oh, it wasn't from a white person either.
It was from...
We're just being very transparent here, right?
It was from someone who's Pakistani.
And he's like, oh, I'm privileged.
And I was just like, what do you mean?
I can't believe this is even coming out of your mouth.
Why would you even think that way?
That you feel that because someone...
I don't know.
And what I'm saying may sound crazy, right?
But when I first job, I worked with a fantastic...
I did extremely well.
I was named the rookie of the year.
I was the top producer in the region for the company.
I had gotten promoted to a very good position.
I never had any type of qualms with my skin color or my name.
I have a very unusual name.
I never had those problems.
So I'm sitting here thinking, Why are you even believing that?
It's called human potential.
If you set your mind to something and you believe you can do it, you will accomplish it and move forward.
That's something that I really want people to understand, period.
Human potential and the mind and how powerful it is.
Right.
Booker T. Washington.
There's a whole story behind this, which I don't know.
But the fork in the road with the black community, as it has been with the Irish community and other communities, is do you go for the state or do you go for the free market?
Right.
So the Irish went for the state.
It became cops and politicians.
They all went for the state.
And they stagnated for a long time in the 19th, early 20th century.
Japanese people and Chinese people did not go for the state.
They went for the free market.
They went for education.
They went for upgrading with skills.
And the same thing outside of sort of politics and so on is the case with the Jews, particularly in the post-war period.
You know, Jews who came over fleeing Nazi persecution in the Second World War landed in America, and it took them four years from being penniless to reach the average income of Americans because they didn't go for the state.
And the same fork in the road happened with the blacks in America.
I just had a chat with Dinesh D'Souza about this, which will come out soon.
But it's well worth watching.
Hillary's America has this new documentary and just try and get to watch it if you can.
The same sort of question.
And Booker T. Washington, W.E.B. Du Bois and others were sort of representing this fork in the road.
And Booker T. Washington said this many years ago.
He said...
There is another class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public.
Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs, partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays.
Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances because they do not want to lose their jobs.
Wow.
That's so greedy and wrong.
Well, and that to me is, you know, making money off this kind of misery is some of the greatest wrongs in the world.
It's like, you know, I mean, I think a lot of people like rap music.
I like the beats in rap music, but I listen to the words, and a lot of the words that I hear is absolutely, I can't believe that.
Okay, we're going through this whole thing.
I didn't watch what Rudy Giuliani had said, but I'm pretty sure he said something along the lines of, well, a lot of African Americans need to be taught how to respect the police.
I mean, that's a big problem, is that they're not taught how to respect the police.
Back in the conversation that I had that night, there was one person, she did say this when she commented while I was talking about the way I was brought up.
And she's from, her family's from, I think, Togo?
Yeah, Togo in Africa.
And she said, well, did you not see the way that The people, or I guess, I always forget his name.
I feel really bad that I'm doing that.
I'm kind of airhead at certain times.
Because if I don't want to focus on something, I just completely blank it out of my mind.
It's okay, you're really pretty.
But she said, did you see the way that he was acting?
I mean, he was just moving around very belligerently.
Wasn't doing what the police were telling him to do.
I mean, he was kind of just going crazy, essentially.
And that's probably why he got shot.
Because they didn't know what he was doing.
He wasn't following instructions.
Yeah, look, if you choose to disobey a cop, you know, it's not like I have no sympathy.
It's not like, well, you deserve.
I'm not saying that, but it kind of doesn't matter deserve or not deserve.
It doesn't matter.
If you choose to start defying and disobeying and getting aggressive with a cop, you're not going to have a good day in general.
Like, again, that's behavior, not skin color.
And the other thing, too, is, you know, I really understand why, of course, people will say to blacks, well, what do you think of this story and, you know, some shooting or whatever.
And I, you know, I think that's a very interesting conversation.
We've had those conversations on this show.
I think it's well worth having.
On the other hand, though, to me, it wouldn't be the end of the world to go to an Asian person, let's say, and say, what do you think of the fact that African Americans commit such a disproportionately large amount of crimes?
Does that make you feel nervous?
Or go to a cop, whether he's black or white or Asian, I don't care.
Go to a cop and say, what's it like so much dealing with so many African Americans or blacks and dealing with so few Asians?
Do you think that changes your perspective?
Yeah.
Because I'm perfectly willing to say that there's racism if the racists act the same and people treat them differently.
I'm perfectly willing to do that.
But Irish people have a hard time tanning so they need to put on like chain mail SPF 6000, right?
Other people Ethnicities have an easier time tanning and don't need all of that stuff.
So it's not racist for tanning companies to target the Irish any more than it is for whiskey companies to target.
That's just marketing.
Yeah.
Because the skin is reacting differently.
There's differences in the biochemistry.
And so with the blacks in America, stop breaking the law so much.
Like, I don't know how to put it.
Stop breaking the law so much.
Now, if you start behaving like Asians, and listen, I'll say this to white people, stop breaking the law so much.
Start behaving like the Chinese, like the Japanese, like the Koreans.
Stop breaking the law so much.
Now, if blacks end up not breaking the law as little, or they end up obeying the law as much as the Asians do, and they're still...
This fear and hostility and with the cops and with the people and so on.
Okay, I'm willing to start talking about racism.
But the problem is, if you keep breaking the law so much, you're going to have a tough time with the police and other people are going to be scared of you.
And I'm not talking about blacks, right?
There's this whole thing that I can't remember who it was.
Some black activist was saying how tragic it is for him after 20 years of black activism.
He hears footsteps behind him in the street at night.
He turns around, he sees white people.
He's relieved.
Right?
So if you start behaving like other racists, Jesse Jackson.
Jesse Jackson.
It just came to me in a type 2 window.
But this, if blacks are acting like Asians, and people still have this negative fear and hostility, and it's going to take a little while.
Then, yes, absolutely, it's talking about racism.
But here, and this is what's fascinating about this conversation, and notice that I say fascinating and not inviting you to a Pokemon Go game, but what's fascinating about this conversation, Mudia, is that you...
Are not acting in that aggressive whatever way and you find that actually people have quite a positive response.
And again, unless you're stealing their barbecues, but people are having a positive response to you because your behavior is different and therefore your skin color becomes irrelevant.
Because if people are only judging behavior but everyone's ascribing it to skin color, we have a disconnect that can't be solved until the behavior changes or some other thing gives way in that narrative.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, I completely agree with that.
In fact, people had to point it out to me.
They're like, oh, well, they would say certain things like, well, you know, it's because of my skin color that I can't, I guess, move up in life.
And I would kind of look back and say, no, that's wrong.
That's a complete lie.
I think a great part of it is I had a really good mentor.
I've had the same mentor for the past 90 years now.
He's white.
I'm just being very transparent here.
I want everyone to understand Who I surround myself with, I surround myself with everyone, right?
And he's always encouraged me in a positive way.
He's always never really brought up race, never saw me as a black person.
He always just saw me as, and to him, I see him as a father figure because he's in his 60s now.
He's always just saw me as Mudia.
Thank you for not saying 50s.
Go on.
He saw me as Mudia.
Mudia who has limitless potential as long as he applies himself.
And that's how he's always treated me this entire time.
Right.
So I do believe that there needs to be a cultural revolution in America when it comes to African Americans.
And there definitely doesn't need it.
Black Lives Matter is not the answer.
To me, that's a complete ridiculous excuse.
It misrepresents me.
It's insulting, too.
I mean, the idea that out there, you know, after affirmative action, after the welfare state, after massive amounts of wealth transfers, and everyone making, well, not everyone, most people making very, very good faith attempts and efforts to heal racial divisions and so on to say, after all of that time, that people need to be reminded that black lives matter.
It's kind of an insult.
You know, I mean, of course Black Lives Matter.
I mean, of course they do.
I mean, like, to be...
Well, you know, you've really got to remember that, you know, it's bad to kill Black people.
It's like, you know, the fact that you'd feel that I need to be reminded of that is not really a very positive experience for me.
Yeah.
And what gets me is when white people feel bad about...
I watched the Black Lives Matter video...
It was just like, oh, I feel so bad.
I can't even sleep at night right now because of what's happening to Black people.
And I said, well, hold on now.
That's happening to everyone, period.
I mean, that just happens.
If you do certain things, this is what's going to happen to you.
I guess you could say I'm really on a radical view here for being Black.
This is why I wanted to keep quiet in that conversation that I had.
Yeah, we're going to change your name to Sally, just in the final thing.
And the sort of question around what can be done, I mean, it is a challenging question.
And I think certainly one of the things that needs to happen is we can't have this, you know, because when you bring up Disproportionate amount of black crime, a lot of the answers are, well, you know, black people end up as criminals because it's a racist society.
Really.
So words justify criminal actions.
So if we take that, that negative experience of being dissed or whatever, having negative words thrown at you or having negative experience of people, if that justifies violence, then men should be able to beat the hell out of their nagging wives.
Because, you see, the men are constantly being put down, being dissed, being nagged, being told that they're nothing, they're worthless, they're crap, they're lazy, they're this.
So, boom!
Knock some teeth out.
Now, we can't be having that.
We can't be having that the response to a negative emotional experience...
That somehow that can be violence and it's like, okay, that's fine.
You know, because, you know, it's a negative emotional experience.
So even if there was all this racism, and I don't think there is, but even if there was, that doesn't justify the violence.
It does not justify the violence.
And the law is very clear on that.
Verbal provocations do not justify violence as far as I understand it.
Yeah.
So there simply can't be a solution called, well, once everyone stops being racist, then blacks will stop committing so many crimes.
Like, that cannot be the answer, because you're asking people to let down their guard when there's a lot of crimes being committed by a certain community.
But that's what abusive, you know, like abusive husbands, well, if you loved me more, I wouldn't hit you.
Well, the fact that you're hitting me doesn't make me love you, man.
Again, these are just thoughts off the top of my head.
I don't know what the real solution is other than we can't have the state involved in the solution because that's going to be catastrophic all around.
And if the state isn't part of the solution, and this is as much to do with money transfers to racial grievance as it is to the welfare state and all these other things, if the state is not part of the solution, then what happens is charities make money Because they're effective.
I have a feeling that, I mean, I believe I have a solution.
And I think a big solution is we need examples.
We need examples in the African American community.
True examples.
I don't, I mean, how can I say it?
I think we need more Dr.
Ben Carsons.
He's a great example in the African American community as far as just someone who made something out of himself and isn't perceived as a thug or a gangster and he's African American.
I think that a lot of the gangster rap music and things like that that promotes Young African-American children to go and steal and kill and commit crimes needs to be somehow...
I don't want to say...
I mean, we have freedom of speech, right?
I don't want to say censor or anything, but there needs to be some common sense in there.
Like, come on now.
You're promoting violence, you know?
Maybe you shouldn't be promoting violence in these videos.
But it goes back to the whole greed thing.
Yeah.
I believe we need to have people step up in the community that are not just entertainers and sports stars.
I love basketball.
I love football.
I love it.
But you know what?
That should not be the black community's examples.
I just do not believe that should be the black community's examples.
It shouldn't be that.
But that's my rant.
I don't agree.
I don't agree.
Because, I mean, certainly in America, there's tons of examples of, like, you know, wonderful, contributing, intellectual, peaceful, successful, wealthy blacks.
I mean, there's, you know, black middle class is pretty solid in many places.
I think saying that the community just needs more examples and so on, it's sort of like going to a communist country and saying, well, you just need harder working workers and everything.
The incentives are all screwed up.
The incentives are all screwed up.
And this is not true just for the black community, but it's true for so much of society as a whole.
You can't say to the military-industrial complex, well, you know, you need to study peace, not war.
It's like, because, you know, they...
Get paid billions and billions of dollars for studying war and creating death weapons and death machines all over the place.
I think that the incentives are so messed up.
So why I was talking about charity is, you know, a big problem in the black community is illegitimacy and all of that.
So something needs to be done to solve that.
One of the big drivers for illegitimacy is the welfare state.
I mean, this is not a controversial statement.
It's been said by many, many people.
Walter Block said that the welfare state has done what slavery couldn't do, which is to destroy the black family.
So the welfare state just creates all these weird twisted incentives that we talked about with the first caller.
And so illegitimacy drives aggression, particularly in boys.
And so when you have higher illegitimacy, you're going to end up with higher levels of aggression among the boys for a variety of reasons we've gone into.
We got the truth about single moms and all that as a presentation.
So the welfare state's a big problem.
The fact that the government tends to dump a lot of money into racial grievance industries is another big problem because the Democrats get into power by goading in racial conflict, race baiting and all that.
It's a simplistic way of putting it, but I think there's a lot of that pattern.
And so if the government has the power to dole out huge amounts of money to race-baiting organizations, they're not market-facing.
And in fact, then they make their money by the problems not getting better, not the problems getting better.
Charities make their money by making problems better, like voluntary private charities.
Let's say I'm donating to some charity that's supposed to reduce illegitimacy in whatever community.
Well, I want to see them actually reduce illegitimacy.
Because if there's three charities and one of them does three times as well, that's the one that's going to get all the money.
So they make money by solving the problems.
The government makes money by perpetuating the problem.
So if we can sort of find a way to shift resources from involuntary government spending to voluntary private charitable spending, then they'll do whatever it takes until it works the very best that it can because that's kind of what the free market does.
But right now the incentives are so screwed up, you know, that you can have kids with whoever and it doesn't matter because the government's going to pick up the tab and the government schools are so bad.
School vouchers or something like that.
Hillary Clinton is like her kids go to private school and her child went to private school and somehow she wants to deny those same opportunities to all of the people who are going to vote for her because vagina plus madness.
and This is just off the top of my head, but there's a huge number of incentives that fundamentally need to change.
Since human beings responding to incentives is the basis of most motivational things, including economics, until the incentives change, I don't really see the behavior changing that much, which is why there has to be some sort of Either the government runs out of money and things normalize that way or there's some recognition of what needs to be done and people say,
okay, well the welfare state was a terrible idea and it's going to be really hard to transition out of it now, but every day we don't transition out of it makes it harder and at some point there's going to be somebody who's able to communicate that to the general population.
And maybe we'll get some solutions out of that.
So I'm not saying that the role model thing is wrong in terms of like it's really bad, but I think there are a lot.
And I think while the economic incentives lean so much the other way, I think it's not going to be enough to overcome.
I, you know, now that you put that into full perspective or just the way that you put it into full perspective to me, I completely, I understand what you're saying.
Yeah, I definitely agree with the illegitimacy part and the racial grievances.
Yeah, I see that now.
Alright.
Well, if you're feeling lighter, I'll quit while I'm ahead.
And I really appreciate the call.
It was really fascinating.
And you're certainly welcome to call back anytime.
And I really, you know, I appreciate, you know, we're, I guess, a black guy and a white guy talking about race in the American context.
And I think that these are the important conversations we need to have.
And I appreciate you bringing this topic up.
It was...
Great for me, and I hope it was good for you.
Yeah, thank you.
It was fantastic for me, and I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity to speak on the show.
I'm very thankful.
And this helped me out big time.
I'm very glad.
Thanks, Moody.
I appreciate it.
All right, let's move on to the next cooler.
Alright, up next is David.
David wrote in and said, I've listened to many of Stefan's podcasts with several different guests, and they seem to make the case that environmentalists are quote-unquote anti-human.
I'm confused by this because all of the environmentalists that I have talked to are really concerned about the health and well-being of children, grandchildren, and all future generations of human beings when it comes to clean air, water, and soil.
Can you help me understand the role of environmental regulations in a free market and a free society?
What happens when your upstream neighbor decides he wants to dump all his shit in the river?
That's from David.
Hey, David.
Hi, Stefan.
Thanks for taking my call.
How you doing?
My pleasure.
Thanks for calling in.
I love me some environmental questions, so I'm glad that you brought it up.
Oh, excellent.
Excellent.
So, I don't know the degree to which I would say that environmentalists are anti-life.
You know, I try not to come up with stuff like that until I at least have had the chance to talk to someone about perspectives that they may not have heard and given them the chance to digest it.
So, I wouldn't make a big sort of blanket statement like that.
I think that some of the...
Guests or maybe even the listeners on the show have made that case, but I just sort of wanted to give you my perspective.
I wouldn't say that as a blanket statement.
Now, if you explain to someone some very important things about the world and about how things work, and then they still reject it and still go on, although they don't come up with a counterargument, then I'm willing to go, you know, full trolley on them, so to speak.
But I wouldn't make that as a blanket statement.
So, yes, I'm perfectly willing to accept that they love their kids and, you know, a lot of them want to take care of their kids and all that kind of stuff, right?
Right, right.
All right.
Robert Zubrin was the guy who probably was the closest along those lines, that Z-U-B-R-I-N. You can find that, of course, at youtube.com slash free domain radio.
But is your question more about how environmental protection would work in a free market situation or environment?
Yes, I think so.
I mean, I think that would provide the foundation, I think, for my understanding.
Yeah, a good starting point, I think.
Just because I guess I feel that we do need a certain amount of environmental regulation just so that we reach some sort of common ground with, you know, what we're going to do with all of our stuff, our...
I don't know, our pollution that comes from just general industrialization or agricultural farming or the farming of animals, for example, too.
Right.
Okay.
So, first of all, I think I would say that we tend to have this dichotomy when it comes to thinking about human beings and the environment.
The dichotomy goes something like this.
When we transform...
Materials from their natural state into some sort of finished product, then it releases things, you know, volatile organic chemicals, or it releases soot or smoke or carbon or whatever it's going to be.
In that process of transforming raw materials into finished products or even getting at the raw materials, we release bad stuff into the atmosphere or into the groundwater or into the ground or whatever.
And that's called pollution.
Right.
And I think that's a false way of looking at it.
And I'm not going to try and pull any linguistic tricks on you or redefine anything.
It's just that I think we can safely say that that which harms us is a pollutant.
In other words, if there's cholera in our water, that's a very dangerous pollutant, right?
If there are rats running around that have fleas on them that carry the bubonic plague that can wipe out a third of European civilization, that is...
A very bad pollution.
If people are, as they used to in many cities, I guess all the cities throughout Europe up until relatively recently, if they take their excrement and dump it out the window so that it runs down the street, or if there are horses that are crapping a Buick's worth of horse feces every day on the streets, those are significant pollutants.
Do you sort of see where I'm coming from?
Yes, yes.
If you don't have, like malaria is a giant deadly pollutant.
And, of course, it's a huge problem in Africa, at least since they stopped using DDT. So you have an airborne pollutant called malaria, which will rob you of your will to live.
Like, I remember when I first went to Africa, they're like, oh, the tsetse fly, you gotta worry about that, and there's sleeping sickness, and there's malaria, and there's this, and there's that, and it's like, oh, man.
It feels like there's a lot of pollution around.
Can I just go back to some soot?
So if you don't have mosquito netting, Then you have a very dangerous pollutant called airborne diseases from mosquitoes and so on.
If you don't and see, oh, well, DDT is a really bad pollutant because it might be bad for you in this and that.
Well, yes, okay, but in the absence of DDT, you get...
Death squads of mosquitoes dive bombing and destroying your economy and your life and so on.
So I just really wanted to point out this perspective that we look at the natural world as a non-pollutant and then we look at industrialization as a pollutant.
But I don't think that's an accurate way to look at things.
What we need to look at is that in the natural world, there are massive pollutants that regularly kept human beings from Ever-flourishing, ever-surviving.
And I'm not talking about lions and tigers and bears, oh my.
I'm talking about all the stuff that killed human beings from time immemorial, you know, the typhus and the cholera and the bronchitis and, like, oh my god, all the tuberculosis and malaria and, like, it either killed you or debilitated you or something like that, or tooth decay, you know, swallow it, makes your heart explode and all that.
So, the question is not, what do we do with pollution?
The question is, what do we do with the pollution that comes from us not dying of pollution, which is all the natural crap in the water and in the air that you can't see but will wipe you out like your Hillary server.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, I think I follow you with all that.
Sort of that last part, I think I didn't really follow the very last piece you mentioned.
Oh sure, no, it's an unusual idea, so I want to be clear.
I'm not saying the pollution we have now is not a problem, but there's no less polluted state that we came from.
What we have now is minimum pollution.
And we know that because human life expectancy has never been greater.
Right.
Right, so we have really diminished pollution By industrializing.
It's not like we had this really clean land that was wonderful and not polluted, and then we industrialized and there's all this crazy pollution.
As far as that which doesn't get you killed, that which is not terrible for you...
We, like, post-industrialization, we are in a way less polluted state than we ever were before because our water is clean.
We don't get black lung.
Or even if you say, well, you know, that all came from mining and so on, well, we don't get whatever airborne diseases were around that would just kill you as soon as you...
Breathe in, right?
I mean, the air is cleaner than it's ever been before.
Our food is cleaner, right?
And you want to talk about pollution, man.
Talk about microbes in food that can give you dysentery, which particularly if you're young, I mean, if you can't get clean water, I mean, you're just going to poop out your liquids until you die of dehydration and so on.
And so the water is cleaner.
The air is cleaner.
Our environments are more secure.
We have better medicine.
We have better prevention.
We have inoculations.
We have...
So we are...
We have pollution to manage.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not trying to...
Wipe all of that away.
But there's a perspective that I want to change, and it comes from this noble savage perspective, this Rousseauian idea, this Garden of Eden idea, that somehow way back in time we lived in harmony with nature and we didn't have pollution.
And now we have this terrible pollution that comes from industrialization and we need to fix it.
It's like, no.
When we lived in nature, we lived in a toxic environment.
We live in a toxic, like even in the Roman Empire, which was one of the most advanced economies of the time, half of children died before the age of five.
Now, that is a toxic environment.
And, you know, another half would die, you know, like before the age of 25, because, you know, particularly with certain illnesses that affect the lungs, they knock you off in your early 20s or whatever.
Tuberculosis, I think, was the big one.
So, in the past, like in nature, That is a ridiculously, horrifyingly toxic environment for human beings.
You know, the number one killer of human beings throughout most of human history, it's not the sort of end-of-life, debilitating crap that happens now, you know, cancer, heart disease, or anything like that.
No, no, no.
The biggest killer of human beings throughout almost all of human history and prehistory was infectious disease.
That's what would wipe you out.
How many people lived to even enjoy arthritis and long teeth?
And so where we came from as a species was this ridiculously radioactive, toxic, death-dealing, sickness-dealing environment.
So, for instance, it takes chemicals to produce sunscreen, but in the absence of sunscreen, you might get skin cancer.
So it's not like, well, if we don't produce sunscreen, then we've gotten rid of pollution.
No, sunlight is a pollutant, particularly to white people.
And so, again, I just want to put this perspective in place that we're working to minimize pollution and industrialization was part of that process and remains part of that process of minimizing pollution, in other words, that which kills human beings by the billions.
Does that help at least with this perspective?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
That perspective, when you go back and look at human history, look where we've come from.
I believe It does really help me understand that perspective on pollution.
And I'd say, you know, and that being said, my next question would be, well, and now in our modern society, as we do manufacture more and more products and more and more chemicals, we have seen a rise in, let's say, all different types of cancers, for example.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
So are you saying that the prevalence of cancer has increased as a whole?
Yes.
But that's a function of longevity, not toxicity.
Because cancers in general affect the elderly.
The longer you live, the more likely you are To get cancer.
And so as lifespan increases, rates of cancer will go up, inevitably, because people are just, they're living long enough to enjoy the blessings of cancer, which doesn't affect many young people.
So you may be right about particular instances, but in general, in general, cancer is, an increase in cancer is good news insofar as it is, it represents an increase in longevity.
Okay.
That makes sense.
And what if we look specifically at cancer rates amongst, let us say, the youth, young people in our society?
And if those rates have been increasing, wouldn't that be a sign of just an over or just an increased amount of certain pollutions that affect our bodies in specific ways?
Well, I guess it could be, but one of the things I would be concerned about in analyzing this kind of data is the degree to which ridiculous levels of inactivity are plaguing the young.
I mean, I was reading this article the other day.
Mike, if you can find that link, I think I sent, or find the article, about what sitting does for you.
I mean, sitting is like, it's worse than smoking as far as sort of long-term health effects.
I mean, there's a reason I do my show standing up, right?
I mean, because I can read.
And of course, as somebody who had cancer, I'd really like non-boomerang situation would be excellent for me and for the world, I think, too.
And so, you know, you have this terrible situation.
Like when I was a kid, we spent a lot of time outside.
We spent a lot of time playing.
There was lots of gym.
There was lots of PE and all that kind of stuff.
I don't think that's really the case as much anymore.
I think that there's a lot more inactivity.
Plus, of course, when I was a kid, we were bored as hell, you know, with no money.
And so what we did was we had to go out and we had to find ways to entertain ourselves with no money.
And the way that you entertain yourselves with no money is what do you do?
You go play a game.
Someone's going to have a ball, right?
So you're running around kicking a ball.
We used to play pretend war games where you're running around, right?
You climb trees.
Well, that's something interesting.
Active.
What else do you do?
Well, you will go to the garbage dump and you will try and find bits of bikes so you can create some Adam Sandler style seven different color Frankenbike that you can pretend is sort of vaguely movable and so on.
We also would pram wheels or the wheels of baby carriages.
We would go and make our own go-karts and then we would race them down a hill and we'd run them back up a hill and race them down a hill.
It was exercise, exercise, exercise without ever really feeling like exercise, but it was nonstop.
And as a dad, you know, why would my daughter walk when she can run, right?
That's like saying, I'm gonna drive to Florida instead of taking a teleporting device.
It doesn't make any sense to her.
So this is why I exercise a lot still and try and stay as healthy as possible because I gotta keep up with the tiny blur known as my offspring.
And so when it comes to, you know, inactivity is a environmental toxin.
And a lot of people don't really understand that.
And of course, kids are sitting all day in school And then what do they do?
They come home and they sit at home on tablets, on PlayStations, on their phones.
And so this is from the telegraph in the UK. Sitting in front of a computer for eight hours a day could increase your risk of a premature death by 60%.
Your ass is trying to kill you!
It is trying to smother you!
You have to exercise for an hour a day just to combat sitting in an office.
Inactivity, what's called sedentary lifestyles, they're posing as greater risk to public health as smoking and they're causing more deaths than obesity.
If you're spending hours at your desk, five minute break every hour, well they say that for your eyesight too, but you've really got to work hard.
To make up for sitting in an office.
And it's pretty rough.
So as far as young people go, we have this strange situation going on.
I think this is like this generation is the first generation that's really being raised in a pretty sedentary environment.
And I don't know...
What the effects are gonna be.
I'm sorry to bug you again, Mike, but you can find anything on youth inactivity.
Being sedentary is an environmental toxin.
Like I will try and do shows while I'm walking.
I will at least stand while I'm doing these shows.
I don't know how Rush Limbaugh does it for like three hours of basically making sure that his chair, his ass is shaped as much like his chair as humanly possible.
But so if, again, if this is what's occurring, Maybe it's got something to do with cell phones.
Maybe it's got something to do with inactivity.
It could be a number of things.
But I don't know the degree to which we could find.
Because cancer and heart disease are the two most likely causes of death that are linked to inactivity.
And I'm not saying, of course, that that's necessarily what's happening with kids, because they do have the advantage of youth.
But it's one possibility.
Like, I used to, way back in the day, I used to write by sitting down.
I'd sit there, and I wrote, and I wrote, and I'd type, and I'd sit, and occasionally I'd get up and walk around.
Now, I get on a treadmill with voice dictation software, and I write by walking.
And sometimes I can't run.
And occasionally I will write on a bike machine, although that gets a little breathy.
So I'm trying as much as possible to give myself the kind of activity...
That I didn't get before, because you just have to change as you get older, especially if you've gone through a major illness.
You have to, you know, introduce as much positive, pro-healthy stuff as you possibly can.
And I don't know that that health risk is really recognized by people.
Like, I saw this pretty funny video about some dad, you know, he was nagging his kids, like, kids, get outside, go outside, it's a beautiful day, stop sitting.
On the beanbags playing video games.
And what the kids had done is they'd taken their beanbags outside and they were sitting in the little window that faced the basement and they were playing their video games through the window so they could still see the TV. And they're like, well, we're outside, aren't we?
Well, you've got to move, people!
You've got to move.
Our bodies are not designed.
Bears can hibernate without any particular ill effects other than waking up.
Hungry enough to eat an unwashed backpacker, but we ain't designed that way.
Our bodies are designed to be in motion.
And that's a tough thing for a lot of people.
So sorry for that.
I wanted to get that point out, so thank you for letting me shoehorn it into this discussion.
But you know what else is an environmental toxin?
Wolves.
You know, rats used to eat babies in the Middle Ages.
Because they were everywhere.
And so, yeah, it's an environmental toxin called, like, yellow teeth and pack behavior.
And though, you know, they're pretty far gone as all of that goes.
So, yeah, globally, one in four adults is not even, is not active enough.
More than 80% of the world's adolescent population is insufficiently physically active.
80%.
Now, if 80% of adolescents were smoking, people would go mental.
But this is Similar situation.
Well, let me ask you this as well.
As we move along with more population in the world, more growth and industrialization, how do we address the issues like what you have in Mexico City with air pollution or in Beijing with air pollution in areas that have Very few, let us say, environmental regulations.
Well, you know, I don't want to deal with specifics because I don't know all the laws and all of that.
So, you know, again, I'm a philosopher, not a sort of social science researcher.
So I'm going to have to go more general, if that helps.
So I'll give you some sort of suggestions about how these things can be handled.
And let's start off with the one that you mentioned, because that's the one I... Looked up and thought about before.
Your upstream neighbor decides he wants to dump all of his shit in the river, right?
Right.
Okay.
Well, let's assume that you own the part of the river that goes past your house, right?
Right.
So then he is damaging your property and he would be liable.
Okay.
Okay.
That's a pretty simple answer.
I like that.
And this is how it used to work.
So again, the great economist and anarcho-capitalist Murray Rothbard wrote about this years ago, and I'm going to paraphrase, so I apologize if I get some of the details wrong.
But back in the day, if you, let's say you built some giant fire, it got out of control, and it blew all this terrible smoke and soot and ash onto your neighbor's apple orchard.
Well, your neighbor would take you to court and your neighbor would say, you damaged my apple crop.
It was worth this much.
You owe me that much money.
Right.
And this is how it used to work for common law for many, many years.
But then what happened was people started building these, you know, what were called the great satanic mills.
And they were pumping out all this toxic smoke and it was damaging crops and all this kind of stuff.
And the farmers took these guys to court, but the government intervened and said, no, no, no, these guys are producing a lot more taxes than you are, so to hell with you.
You've got to move.
We're going to let them pollute so that they can hire all these people and pay all these salaries and make all these taxes and all that.
So it was the government interfering with common law, with sort of the ancient ways of resolving these disputes that turned a problem which could have been solved relatively easily into a problem that got a lot worse.
Now, of course, if we're concerned about pollution...
The first thing we should discourage is overconsumption, useless consumption, right?
I mean, I'm still, you know, because I grew up and we had to put like coins into the meter to try and get unfrozen throughout the winter.
I hate, I mean, I'm still working on this because I've looked at the math, it's not that bad, right?
I'm working on it.
If a light's left on, oh man, don't even get me started, right?
Because it's a waste, right?
I mean, think of all of the amount of energy and time and all that to get everything out to your house just so you can light a room that nobody's in.
So we should want to not excessively consume.
Now the problem is if you put the government in charge of environmental regulations and government's in charge of everything else, when the government's in charge of everything else, they're in charge of the currency.
So what they do is they borrow and they print money.
Borrowing money and printing money causes massive excessive consumption in the present, right?
Like I think of the 20 trillion dollar debt that America's in.
That's 20 trillion dollars they've spent That they didn't have.
In other words, that's $20 trillion worth of environmental destruction that has occurred because the government is printing all this money.
So, when you turn to the government for solutions, well, it's not that great.
And environmentalists should also, you know, talk about the migrant crisis in Europe because you're taking people from a low economic footprint, a low carbon footprint in the Middle East, to a high carbon footprint in Europe.
Where are the environmentalists talking about I mean, they're comfortable with saying people should be poorer, people should have less because it's environmentally destructive.
Well, they don't want to talk about that because that's a leftist policy and a lot of environmentalism along those roles as well.
So I would say that let the market deal with these things.
Let civil law or criminal law, if it's really dangerous, let civil and criminal law deal with these things.
And the government doesn't need to be there.
Now, with things like, let's give an example, and this is from my very first article called The Stateless Society and Examination of Alternatives, which was kindly published by Lou Rockwell.
It's a little, coming up for 11 years ago, I guess now.
And I'll just sort of mention the scenario briefly.
So you're in some house and you don't want air pollution, right?
I mean, of course you don't want air pollution, right?
In your environment, right?
So what happens is you can either sue people and whatever, work with the courts to try and prevent them from doing that.
But I think that a more efficient way to do it is you buy clean air insurance in a free market.
And clean air insurance, you pay like 50 bucks a year.
And whatever company you pay for is going to guarantee that your air is going to be clean.
So here are people economically incented to To keep the air clean because maybe they pay you a million dollars so you can move or maybe they'll pay for a new house if your air becomes dirty.
So you buy this insurance and now you've got a company that's scanning all over the place making sure nobody builds anything bad and then be making sure that the winds don't blow some big giant factory smoke your way.
And so what I want is private property and I want people who have a market incentive to keep the air clean and you have groundwater clean insurance.
Maybe you've built a house by the ocean and you want a good view and you want clean ocean water.
Well, you'd have to pay.
First of all, if you build it 500 yards or meters back from the beach, then you should just buy the land that leads to the beach.
People say, oh, they're building some giant house.
It's blocking my view of the beach.
It's like, well...
That's the risk you take when you don't build right on the beach or you don't own the land between you and the beach.
You saved some money, you rolled the dice, you came up snake ice.
Or maybe you could buy insurance so that you always have a view of the beach.
And then somebody has an incentive, an economic, positive economic incentive to make sure that your environment stays clean.
So they're out there saying, you know, well, you can't, you know, somebody wants to build some big polluting factory and it's upwind from like a thousand houses.
They're going to have to pay a million dollars each and then they're going to have a huge incentive.
They've got a billion dollars worth of incentive to do and spend whatever it takes to make sure that your air doesn't end up polluted.
Now, none of these are operating in places like Shanghai or in places like Beijing or other places where the pollution is really bad.
The government's in charge of everything.
And the government has an economic incentive for environmental predation.
Because environmental predation in the here and now is a sign of increased economic activity.
Increased economic activity raises the GDP, makes people feel rich, makes them happy with their government, and increased GDP means more money for the government in taxes.
Right, so like when they build these ghost cities in China where nobody goes to live, where they build these giant malls with like three stores in it, two of which are the malls trying to sell you stores, Well, the government has benefited from all of that because all of that economic activity, they got to tax.
So the government benefits from useless, excessive, wasteful, the destruction of the Earth's resources.
It profits from it enormously.
And so if you're going to say, well, the government and regulations, you're creating the exact opposite incentive of what there should be, which is private, economically incentivized companies working as leanly and cleanly as possible to make sure that your environment stays clean.
Not government's Who benefit enormously from all of this useless economic activity that they generate in order to make people feel wealthier and up their tax base.
Right.
Can you explain one more time what is the private company incentive?
Again, I know you mentioned the insurance, but just that piece, that connection there.
What's the incentive for them to keep their products clean?
Which products?
You mean the air?
Yes, for example.
I'm glad you asked because it's a challenge and I'm glad you asked again.
So let's just make it you and I, right?
Right.
So you've got some lovely house, and you know, you wake up every morning, you throw wide the windows, you love smelling the nature, right?
You love smelling the grass and all of that.
And you say to me, and I come knocking on your door, and you say, hi.
And I say, hey, listen, you love the smell of the country and the clean air and so on.
You say, yes.
And then I say, well...
For 50 bucks a year, I'm going to guarantee you that that's never going to change.
And what would you say to me?
I'd say, sign me up.
Right.
Or maybe it's 100 bucks, or whatever it is going to be, right?
And the reason you would do that is because if it does change, not only will your quality of life diminish, but also the value of your property is going to diminish.
Because if your air is clean, right, Dave, then...
If your air is clean, then your value of your property goes up.
But if your formerly pristine country cottage is covered in roiling, black, acidic smoke from dawn till dusk, nobody's going to want to live there.
And maybe the cottage you spend a quarter of a million dollars for is not going to be worth a penny.
So having that guarantee...
Now the question is then, how do I go about making sure that...
And I say, listen, you pay me $100 or whatever it's going to be a year, and we'll set out all of these standards, right?
Whatever they're going to be.
This many parts per billion of this, many parts per million of that, and so on.
And I'm going to say, this is where you're currently at.
I'm going to guarantee you to stay within 20% of that over the next 10 years.
Or whatever.
I'm just making stuff up.
Whatever.
It could be 100%.
Sorry, it could be I'm going to keep you exactly on that line for the next 10 years or 20 years or whatever, right?
So I sign up a whole bunch of people, and I think lots of people would be very interested in that.
So then I have a job.
So I'm getting a steady flow of income as long as your air is clean.
I make money as long as your air is clean.
Now, if your air becomes dirty, I'm no longer making money.
I'm losing money.
So I'm going to have to...
Scow around the neighborhood.
I'm gonna make sure that nobody creates anything really messy.
If somebody wants to create some big smoke-polluting factory just upstream from you, I'm gonna find ways to discourage that.
I'm gonna pay them to not do it.
I'm like, whatever.
Like, that's my economic incentive.
I make money if your air is clean.
I lose money if your air becomes dirty.
Now, that's the best we can hope for.
Economic incentives, self-interest, that's the very best we can hope for.
Hoping that some bureaucrats...
Are going to have as much investment in your clean air as the guy who's feeding his kids based on the fact that your air is clean.
There's no bureaucrat who's going to have that kind of incentive, which is why I much prefer, in fact, infinitely prefer, not just morally, but practically, these market incentives that engage everyone's maximum motivation in pursuit of the social good of reasonable levels of pollution.
And, you know, clean air where that's guaranteed.
Does that make more sense?
Yes.
Yeah, I've never even considered that idea before.
And yeah, it does make sense.
Yeah, and I guess on the topic of, I guess, regulations and politics, you know, a big part of what inspired this call and this question was because of this election cycle that we're in right now.
And looking at the candidates.
And yeah, I'm a big Trump supporter.
And when he talks about environment, I'm not so much concerned with the whole global warming science and global warming idea and agenda.
But I am concerned just with on-the-ground pollution, like our whole discussion's been based on.
And it just kind of brings up a lot of red flags for the people I talk to when he talks about the EPA and cutting back all our present regulations that, let us say, a lot of environmentalists have worked towards for so many years.
And I guess some of those red flags kind of come about for me when it comes to conservation.
And maybe this is a whole new part of the discussion, but on how we conserve certain land areas that we have determined here in the States, for example, and in Canada, of course, that are just exceptionally beautiful and ought to be protected for, I guess, just their intrinsic value.
Sure.
And the way that we do that is we buy them, right?
I mean, environmentalists want stuff A lot of them are hippies with no money.
So they want to protect the environment, but they don't want to do the stuff that's necessary, which is go make some money and buy it.
But anyway, that's a topic.
Lots of people want to keep, like Banff and the Rockies and so on in Canada in particular, and the mountains on the west coast of America.
Beautiful stuff.
Beautiful stuff.
Which means people got to own stuff.
You know, like cows, cats, dogs, they're not in danger of becoming extinct because they're owned.
People got to own stuff.
We got to be allowed to own stuff.
And giving stuff over to the government, I mean, if you ever want to get shits and giggles sometime, just go look at Yosemite National Park and so on, just what a disaster the government made of it when they first got a hold of it.
Because they just, they have no particular incentive.
Now, I don't, I know smack about Donald Trump's environmental perspective or his, I mean, I know that he's got some skepticisms about global warming, at least in terms of its priority and so on.
But I will tell you this.
This is how, you know, sort of outside the box is important to think.
Let's say Donald Trump gets his wish and we get like three, or Americans get like three different levels of taxation, right?
Right.
You fill it out on the back of a postage stamp and it takes you 20 minutes, right?
Mm-hmm.
Do you know how good that is for the environment?
Right.
Right.
No, seriously, think about it.
How good is that for the environment?
Tell me.
Yeah, I mean, you're saving a lot in resources when it comes to, I guess, trees and ink and printers and the people at H&R Block aren't going to do so well.
Right.
So, yeah, I mean, the accountants all driving back and forth, people printing stuff out, people trying to figure stuff out, people burning the midnight oil, staying up late, running their computers, reprinting stuff out.
I mean, just something like that.
Boom!
Simplify the tax code.
Hell, if they simplify the tax code, you don't need 200 volumes to be printed every six months for whatever the tax code.
I mean, just think of how helpful that is.
For the trees.
So as far as all that goes, now if you can get environmental protection without the EPA, then the EPA is bad for the environment because the EPA has to heat their buildings, the people got to drive to work, they got to use a lot of paper, electricity, air conditioning, you name it, right?
So if you can get environmental protection without the EPA, which came in under Nixon in the early 70s, I mean, it wasn't like America was on fire beforehand.
And so...
If he says, if you can get rid of the EPA, fantastic.
As long as you can still get environmental protection.
I think you'll get better environmental protection.
Here's what happens.
So, everybody wants a clean environment, and that was already happening, right?
The air was cleaner, the water was cleaner, the groundwater was cleaner, the soil was cleaner, because people want a clean environment.
And there's a transition from medievalism to a modern economy called the Industrial Revolution, where things are kind of crappy, but they're still better than they were before.
People say, oh, well, you know, there was all this soot and people died early of black lung in the smog of the Industrial Revolution.
And it's like, yes, they still lived longer than they did in the Middle Ages.
The pollution is more obvious because you can see soot, you can't see cholera, right?
So the transition from the medieval world to the industrial world was a huge detoxification of the environment.
Because they got better sanitation, they got more soap, they got better meals, people's wages doubled, they got more protein, they got more meat, and so on, right?
So that's, again, comparing this to some pristine, magical, this is the Garden of Eden fallacy that is very common.
I'm not saying Europe, but a lot of people have this kind of stuff.
How about this?
How about Right.
You know, how about he doesn't go and invade another country?
How good was the war in Iraq for the environment?
I mean, the empire is disastrous for the environment.
That particular form of really vicious imperialism, you know, where up to a million people died in Iraq and they depleted uranium shells and destroyed the water infrastructure and the water treatment plants and so on.
I mean, you bomb one water treatment plant, you've turned water into a bioweapon, as has happened many times in these kinds of conflicts.
So if Donald Trump had had his way in 2003, America would not have gone to war in Iraq.
Now, this is going to sound cold and callous, but just from a pure environmental standpoint, you know, you have a kid, you raise a kid, you feed that kid, and if, you know, that kid at the age of 18 just gets blown up, that is a huge net loss.
Because you've poured all of this environmental resources into this kid who dies.
Same thing with the American troops.
Same thing with the adults.
Boom!
Dead.
Okay, maybe you'll save a little money on old age pensions.
But from a pure material standpoint, I mean, war is horrendous morally.
War is horrendous from a variety of standpoints.
And it's horrendous for our freedoms.
But the environmental waste of pouring resources into children who then die.
And they may die directly or they may die indirectly because they can't get clean water because the infrastructure has been bombed and so on.
If he just brings the troops home, simplifies the tax code, And allows the courts to properly deal with environmental issues the way that they were supposed to.
The reason why the EPA had to come in is because the government paralyzed the ability of courts to deal with pollution issues because big corporations donate a lot more money than small people.
And so the corporations are the ones who managed to cripple the court's ability to deal with environmental issues.
And then because the government was interfering with that, you need another giant government program called the EPA to deal with the last cluster frack of government programs.
All the while that there's all of this excess money being printed and borrowed, which drives massive environmental consumption in the present at the expense of the future.
So I'm, you know, the government can't solve a goddamn thing.
And the initiation of force is always going to produce in the end the opposite of what you claim to want.
And so these are just off the top of my head.
These are things that are going to be vastly better.
I'll give you one other just while I'm sort of mulling it over.
Okay, great.
So Donald Trump wants to...
This I know for sure.
He wants to do a lot to stimulate domestic production.
You know, people get, oh, they get so mad that Donald Trump, he builds his ties, they're all put together overseas and so on.
Yeah, so what?
In apparel, only 3% of it is made in America anyway.
So, I mean, it's not like he's some big exception to the rule.
But let's say that Donald Trump, by hook or by crook, doing whatever he does, he's able to stimulate domestic demand at the expense of offshoring.
What effect is that going to have on the environment?
No, tell me.
Can you ask that one more time?
Let's say that Donald Trump changes so that stuff gets manufactured in America for Americans rather than in China.
What effect does that have on the environment?
Right.
No, tell me!
No, and I'm just mulling it over.
For shipping, right?
I think, you know, locally in manufacturing areas they might Experience a little bit more pollution, but I'd say overall globally, which is pretty how I'm thinking about this, is it's going to be very helpful globally because you're not going to have to transport all these goods.
You know, if we can keep our production more locally, that is definitely one of the best things we can do to limit our environmental impact without a doubt.
Right, and there's another aspect of it as well.
It's not just the transportation.
It's also that there's going to be more...
And I know this.
I mean, I spend a lot of time in the environmental industry as an entrepreneur.
Like, the amount of scrubbers and cleaners on American factories is way more than what you're going to get in China, right?
Plus, the energy that goes into these factories to produce all of these goods is produced much more cleanly in America than...
Now, America uses clean coal, and China, well, not so much, right?
So not only is it the transportation issue...
But, also, it is the fact that the energy that goes into producing the stuff in America is cleaner, the factories themselves are going to be cleaner, so it is a win-win-win on every conceivable dimension.
And it means that, of course, if the stuff is produced locally, the footprint is lower on just about every conceivable metric.
So there's another example of how Donald Trump's stimulation at the domestic economy, at the expense of the overseas economy, however it's going to happen, right, whether it's free market reforms or whether it's tariffs, probably be some combination and so on, that is going to be absolutely enormously positive for the environment.
Right.
That makes a lot of sense for sure.
I mean, if we still have a little time, can I ask the question around renewable energy, like solar and wind, some of the other renewables seem like a good, solid source of energy for us because we're not going to run out of it.
Oh, no, you do.
That's the problem.
You do.
Yeah.
Because a lot of times it ain't windy and a lot of times it ain't sunny.
And there's nighttime, right?
This is the problem, right?
You can have...
I mean, and this problem will be solved at some point, you know, once they figure out how to get batteries to store enough energy to power a house for a fortnight.
Right.
And I've looked into all of this stuff and I won't bore you with all the details.
And you can do a lot to supplement some of your energy requirements, but...
The wind and solar, it's just inconsistent, and that's the big problem.
So you could, on a giant sunny day, you can power some significant stuff, but a cloud comes over and you can't stop what you're doing.
Like, oh, I'm right in the middle of doing a show, but it's raining, so we'll have to get back to you, right?
So that is the...
That is the big problem with where it stands at the moment.
Now, if the government gets out of the way, then maybe we'll be better off.
And the other thing too, of course, is if the government gets out of the way of people being able to drill for oil locally in America.
If you drill for oil locally in America, as opposed to shipping it from the Middle East, or Canada's a big one as well, well...
That's going to be hugely great for the environment for a variety of reasons, not least of which the transportation and all of the oil tankers that occasionally go adrift and all of that kind of stuff.
But it keeps money in America rather than putting it out into Saudi Arabia where they seem to use a lot of that money to fund radicals.
And I think that it's a very important aspect to allow for more, you know, that drill baby drill thing that they talk about and all of that.
Yeah.
That would be my sort of two cents as to how that stuff could work.
And we'll see.
Everything that is more economically efficient that isn't heavily debt and fiat currency based is really good.
And coal can be done very cleanly, but the problem is that all the regulations that are on all of this stuff make it Very, very expensive.
And a lot of the taxes are pulled out of the population to pay for these green energy companies.
And of course, it's the fantasy, oh, it's renewable, it's green, and so on.
But the amount of subsidies these companies require that do end up with them producing crappy stuff that doesn't work and then they go out of business, that's a huge misallocation of resources, right?
I mean...
Think of all of these companies that Obama's touted and other people have touted, oh, there's a new environmental stuff, we're going to invest all this tax money into it, and they build these giant plants, they hire all these people who drive to work, and then their companies go bankrupt.
What a massive waste of our precious resources.
So, you know, let's just let the market take care of stuff, let the courts take care of disputes, and let insurance take care of prevention, and then everybody's got the right incentives.
If everyone has the right incentives, that's as close to perfection as you're ever going to get.
Right.
Yes.
All right.
I'm going to move on to my last caller, but I do thank you for allowing me to indulge my passion for environmental protection.
And I agree with you about all the kids and stuff like that.
But, you know, if we care about the kids, we've got to reduce the size and power of the state because I don't care how clean their air is if they're living under tyranny.
That's the ultimate toxic environment.
But thanks a lot, David.
It was a great chat.
Thank you, Steph.
Thanks for clarifying a lot of this stuff for me.
My pleasure.
And thank you in general, just for all the hard work you do on the show.
It's been really inspiring for me.
I really appreciate that, David.
It's very, very kind.
Thanks, Steph.
Have a good night.
You too.
Alright everybody, get comfortable, it's RK selection time.
Up next is Virgil.
Virgil wrote in and said, If the welfare state creates a force in our selected communities towards more children in the now, to be taken care of by the state, does it not create a similar force in K-selected people towards relying on the state when old and fragile?
An incentive for not investing in and creating a strong family to rely upon later.
That's from Virgil.
Hello, Virgil.
How are you doing?
Hello, Stefan.
How are you?
I'm well, thanks.
And I'm going to just say to everyone, go watch the Gene Wars presentations and read the book by Anonymous Conservative on RK Selection.
We'll put the link to that below.
You can just do a search for Anonymous Conservative and get the book from there.
Really, really important stuff, and I can't repeat it every show, but R versus K. Go do that, and then if you don't know what we're talking about.
So, relying on the state when old and fragile.
How is it K selected to rely on the state?
Sorry?
How is it K selected to rely on the state?
Well, because I think K people somehow...
I don't know if consciously or unconsciously they are expecting to get all those guarantees later in life because of the state.
Then they don't act now as if they should create a group of people around them to, I don't know, to give them support in those years in which you are actually very dependent.
But K-selected people prepare for the future.
Yes.
They save for the future.
You can't be K-selected if you're going to just consume.
You need to save your seed crop throughout the winter and plant early and harvest late and conserve and conserve and measure out your rations.
I mean, the whole point of K is the deferral of gratification because you are in an environment where hard work pays off and deferral of gratification pays off and consumption in the present gets you dead.
Yes, but the thing is that they are not managing their own money, so you get this crazy situation.
No, I understand that, but...
Our selected people will consume in the present and then hope that if they throw themselves on the mercy of K-selected people in the future, then the K-selected in-group preference will mistake them for K-selected people and give them resources later.
So it's our selected behavior that ends up with this whole old-age pension stuff to begin with.
Because K-selected people say, hell no!
Don't take my money from me and promise to give it back to me in 40 years.
You're the government!
Of course there's going to be no money.
And K-selected people will check the progress of that, right?
And what they'll say, hang on, let me finish.
So what they'll say is they'll say, well, wait a minute, you've taken all this money from me, where's it going?
Where's my lockbox?
Where's my social security account?
Where's my Canada pension account?
You're just taking all this money, you're spending it, and then you're going to take that money.
You didn't just take it from me, but you're going to pay for my retirement by stealing from my children?
Hell no!
The K-selected people push back, which is why the conservatives, who are more along those lines, push back or want to lockbox or don't want to prey upon the next generation.
Whereas the R-selected people are like, hey, I want stuff when I'm old.
And I want to consume now.
So I'm going to be...
And I know the K-selected kids are going to be making a lot more money than my loser kids.
So here I go.
Let's get a welfare state.
Let's get a...
Let's get a pension scheme going.
So K-selected people want to rely on their own savings and their own responsibility because they know that if they start handing over the power to the state, then the state is going to be swamped by all the R-selected people and all the K-selected money is just going to get burnt up in frivolous, irresponsible nonsense.
Yes, I think I agree with you, but I think we are also talking about gay people that are not having babies, but gay people that were born already in socialism, you know?
I think that's one of the big things here.
Because you are born into the system already and it works like this and you really believe in all of those guarantees.
I know of people close to me that are getting very old and they depend on the state exclusively and they feel very safe and relaxed and I think that's because they actually believe they have some kind of guarantee when I see society falling down everywhere, and I don't think those guarantees will actually be here.
But I think they really believe in those guarantees.
And I think when you have gay people believing in lies, they will do things that they...
How do you know these people?
To me, if you think...
That the government is going to be reliable, especially now, like maybe way back in the day you could chalk it up to displaced compassion or pathological altruism, whatever.
But anybody who looks at the government now and says, oh yeah, this is working really, really well, not case-elected by definition, because it means that they're unable to process basic math, basic reality.
Like, so for instance...
Hillary Clinton gave a big vanilla speech.
I'm not just talking about the color of her dress or pantsuit or whatever the hell it was, the chrysalis sheath of incomprehensible immorality, but she gave this whole speech.
Did she mention the national debt once?
No!
Of course not!
She's like the Queen of our Selected.
She's like the Queen B. Queen R. She's not Queen B, she's Queen R, a little further down in the alphabet.
And so, yeah, you can't talk about the national debt and how you're going to pay it off, because that would be to bring mathematical reality to our selected people.
And the our selected gene set gets triggered and manifests the most when people feel that they're in a situation of infinite resources, when not handing out more money to the needy just seems mean and selfish.
It's like, you can't eat that blade of grass, my fellow rabbit?
Why?
We're never going to run out of grass.
Why the hell would you deny me that?
And so, you know, the wolves know they're going to run out of rabbits.
The rabbits never think they're going to run out of grass, which they won't, mostly because of the wolves.
And so, if they think that there's sort of infinite resources, or that there's nothing to worry about, or the debt doesn't matter, they are selected by definition, in my opinion.
So, you don't think R and K is a lot genetical?
Genetical, sorry.
Well, no, I think it's epigenetic.
In other words, it is a genetic response to environmental cues.
100% epigenetic?
100%?
I'm sorry?
You think it's 100% epigenetic?
You don't think there is a fixed amount?
Look, Virgil, of course I can't say it's 100% epigenetic.
I'm not a geneticist and nobody knows anyway.
But I think it's more environmental than it is innate simply because it is so adaptive to particular environments.
The RK capacity may not be evenly distributed among the races for a variety of reasons, which you can look up J. Philip Rushton for more On that R-U-S-H-T-O-N, he's a since-deceased Canadian professor who worked on this sort of stuff.
So I think it's epigenetic in general.
It may not be evenly distributed among ethnicities, and there may be a genetic component that's independent of environment, but given that I can't do anything about genetics, I can at least focus on that, which would be environmental cues, because they're the most adaptable, or the ones that can be changed the most.
Okay, yes.
I think we were coming at this question from very different directions, and I think I got a lot from your point of views.
All right.
Well, thank you very much for your very kind question.
I always love dipping into the R versus K stuff.
And again, people, you need to really look at this stuff.
I'm mostly working on other people's material.
I think I put it together in a pretty reasonable way.
But you can look at GeneWars, GENEWars on this channel.
It's really, really important to get an understanding of how the world works from this standpoint.
And I think it's really...
It's very interesting stuff, too.
And you get the sorting device for people that you know.
It's not 100%, but it's a good and interesting place to start.
So, my friends, thank you so much for a wonderful conversation.
It's always a highlight of my week to be able to talk about philosophy with Yowl.
And, oh, I got Hillary Clinton Southern all of a sudden.
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