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	All right.
	Stefan Molyneux from Freedom Aid Radio.
	Hope you're doing very, very well.
	Five callers tonight.
	All excellent.
	The first was a guy who used to play in the location of the Orlando shooting.
	He's a bass player who used to play there.
	And we were talking about society's reaction to this shooting, big picture stuff, detailed stuff, really, really important stuff to get a hold of and sink your brain around.
	And then we had a call from a single dad who has a daughter and is trying to figure out how he can raise his daughter well, given the toxic disaster, I think as he phrased it, of his marriage.
	So we had a good conversation about red flags, warning signs, and how much we need for people to watch our backs when we are engaged in entering into romantic relationships.
	The third was a very deep and powerful conversation about arguing with leftists and we went very deep into some of the base of the brain responses that happen when you argue with leftists.
	I hope you'll give that a good old listen.
	The fourth caller was a British fellow who worked as an administrator in the European Union and kind of lifted the lid on what it was like inside and the fifth caller wanted to know why Every generation disparages or seems to disparage the one that comes afterwards.
	We talked quite a bit about that.
	It's a great, great show.
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	Here we go.
	Alright, well up first today we have Todd.
	Todd wrote in and said, I'm an Orlando native and resident.
	I used to play music in the Pulse nightclub before it became the Pulse nightclub, and I know people who lost friends in the terrible terrorist attack.
	I'm noticing some pushback on Facebook by those who will not acknowledge the link between the attack and Islam.
	I'm frustrated by this.
	As a gun owner, some of my peers are even pushing for assault weapons bans and gun control.
	Why is there pushback when I talk about the radical Islam connection to this horrible crime?
	That's from Todd.
	Well, hey Todd, how you doing?
	I'm doing well, and how are you today, Steph?
	I'm alright.
	So it is a weird thing when you see something in the news that you have a kind of personal connection to.
	It's kind of like, I mean, shit gets real, right?
	I mean, if you've got lots of history there.
	Yeah, it was very startling.
	You never think that something like that's going to happen in your town.
	So tragic.
	I'm born and raised here.
	I went to high school not far from where that club is.
	And as I mentioned to Mike, I'm a musician by hobby, and I've played for many years.
	And before that club became Pulse, it was a bar, restaurant place called Dante's, and they had jazz nights on Wednesday and Thursday, and I would sit in with some musician friends of mine.
	And it had been in that building, you know, many times.
	And I was kind of shocked when they were talking about the numbers of 300 people because I really didn't think you could fit 300 people in that smaller club.
	Gay people tend to be rather thin.
	That's my only guess.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so I've been there.
	Musicians that I work with actually have lost—there's a singer in town, and he died in the shooting.
	He was killed there.
	And very sad.
	He was really, really talented.
	I personally hadn't played with him, but people that I know have.
	And they all spoke very highly of him, and videos I've seen of him singing was excellent.
	And so it's a real shame.
	To get, I guess, dialed in more to the focus of my question, which I don't mind elaborating further on other things, but I'm a little nervous.
	I kind of just try to hold on and stay focused here.
	So, yeah, basically I've noticed with a lot of the friends that I have in conversation or Facebook...
	A lot of people are jumping on gun control.
	I'm a little surprised by it with how obvious the radical Islam connection is.
	If I mentioned maybe the trips to Saudi Arabia and the swearing to ISIS would be a clue that this is something that should take precedent over the gun control.
	Right, right.
	Is there more you wanted?
	I mean, I've obviously got some thoughts.
	Is there more that you wanted to mention?
	It's just that, you know, it's a really, really sad time down here.
	Again, a lot of people were affected.
	I've noticed a little bit amongst the conspiracy crowd, people saying, like, this is a false flag.
	And it's annoying because this is absolutely real.
	Absolutely real.
	And it's frustrating to see that because, you know, I actually do believe that government false flags have happened in the past, whether you're talking about Gulf of Tonkin or, you know, these things, they do happen, psychological operations.
	They tend to happen very far away when the government controls the news and the narrative, not in the country where, you know, if the government says, you know, oh, they fired on us first.
	Who the hell's going to, right?
	Who knows, right?
	They can control that narrative.
	Nobody else out there with cell phone cameras, right?
	I mean, back in the 60s.
	Right.
	But when there's people in the, you know, in the community, their loved ones are missing, I mean, this idea that, yeah, it's all the fault, I mean, that's too much, right?
	And can't exactly help with the grief.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it's annoying.
	I'm always open-minded to certain bits of that because, I don't know, I'm a realist and they've done it before.
	But, you know, my only bit of questioning with this was, I will say, I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but when the local police chief was involved, OPD, when they were the ones on the scene and basically wrapped everything up there until about 1130 a.m. when the FBI took over, when they were the ones on the scene and basically wrapped everything up there until about 1130 a.m. when I don't know if people caught this, but there's interviews where he gave talking about this.
	So until about 11 a.m., the Orlando police was in charge of the investigation, and they had put out many reports saying 20 victims, 42 injured.
	And then right when the FBI took over around lunchtime on Sunday, that shot up to 50.
	You know, 50 dead, 50 injured.
	And I was a little bit questioning about that, and it seemed like when I told you about the 300 people in there, it was a little surprising to me.
	Obviously, I'm not in any position to doubt that at this time, but it kind of perked my eyebrow up a little bit.
	Plus, of course, if it's a disco, they don't need space for the live band, right?
	So that's more people to think.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They need space for the DJ, but often that seems to be sort of like a British telephone booth from back in the day.
	Right, right.
	So anyway, the musicians that I know, some of them are pushing gun control big time.
	They're linking things.
	It's sad because a lot of them know nothing about guns.
	A lot of them will say things like, Automatic weapons should be illegal.
	I can't believe that.
	They are illegal!
	I know!
	They are illegal!
	I'm countering with that argument all the time, and no one responds.
	And basically, look, you mean semi-automatic.
	I get that.
	But you realize that even a revolver is semi-automatic, right?
	Machine guns are illegal, etc.
	And when I've brought up the Islam connection, which to me is blatantly obvious in this case, They push back and say, oh, you know, be careful about judging, you know, saying anything bad about it.
	It sounds racist.
	Not that you are, but, you know, just be careful with these comments.
	Yeah, no, they're wrong.
	I mean, obviously, Islam is not a race.
	Yeah.
	And so racism is just shut up.
	You're making me anxious.
	Stop talking.
	People say it, a criticism with illegal immigration, as if all illegal immigrants are one race.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	I mean, it's ludicrous, right?
	And there are Muslims of every stripe and color and this, you know, be careful, just be careful, sensitivity, this concern trolls, they're very claustrophobic to me.
	And I can't imagine any of these people were raised with a strong masculine presence in the house, but that could just be my particular perspective.
	Yeah, I think that's probably accurate.
	And, you know, you were talking about the imam's comments, actually.
	I'm trying to think of his name, Farouk.
	It doesn't matter.
	Something that's unpronounceable for me.
	Our local news channel was the one that put out that interview, and it was really controversial.
	It was a couple months ago, or in late April, I think, so maybe less than that.
	I've linked that, and the few people that did see it were like, wow, because he's blatantly calling for violence against gays.
	When I show a couple people that, they will have We'll recognize, wow, this is a really big deal.
	It absolutely is radical Islam in this case.
	Yeah, but it's just a lot of pushback with it.
	But people don't know.
	Sorry to interrupt, man.
	People just say, well, it's got nothing to do with Islam.
	Do they know anything about Islam?
	Have they read anything about Islam?
	Have they studied anything about Islam?
	They don't have a clue, for the most part.
	Yeah.
	There's a saying on the internet, Islamophobe.
	An Islamophobe is someone who knows more about Islam than he's supposed to, right?
	And, you know, Dr.
	Bill Warner, there's people you can look on YouTube.
	There's people who've boiled it down and distilled it.
	I won't get into it all here because you can go look it up for yourself.
	But there's very easy ways to get into understanding Islam.
	And again, I know that's a big blob.
	It's like saying Christianity and there are moderates and there are more extremist elements and so on.
	But if you just look at the text, right, the people say radical Islam.
	Radical Islam, to my way of thinking, I think there's a good case to be made for this, is fidelity to the text.
	So it's really consistent with the texts, right?
	And look, I mean, there are lots of people who are not consistent with the texts, and good, and that's true of Christians, that's true of Jews, and right, but...
	So you just ask people, what do you know about Islam?
	I mean...
	We're supposed to be multicultural, right?
	We're supposed to take fascination and pleasure in other people's cultures and belief systems.
	So what you can do is just ask people, well, what do you know about Islam?
	And I can guarantee you, most people don't really know much about it at all.
	Which is why they call it a race.
	Yeah.
	Well, because, I mean, that's how little they know.
	They think it's biological or something, you know?
	Like, well, and that's actually kind of racist.
	Because if you say Islam is a race, you're saying, well, what?
	People from the Middle East are all Islamic?
	No, they're not.
	Is no one who's not from the Middle East Islamic a Muslim?
	Of course they are, right?
	So they're saying, well, everyone from the Middle East is a Muslim.
	And therefore, if you dislike Islam, you're racist.
	Well, that's actually racist because there's a multiplicity of beliefs in the Middle East and there's, of course, Muslims from every stripe and hue and all of that.
	So they're actually being racist.
	Like, say, all white people are Christians.
	It's like, well, kind of racist, you know.
	So just, you know, just ask them.
	I mean, do they know?
	What they're talking about.
	And political correctness generally is just ignorance plus fear.
	It's a superstitious thing.
	You know, like when the savages were, all of us, right, way back in the day, when there was thunder and lightning, nobody knew what was going on.
	So there was superstition plus fear.
	Ignorance plus fear produced the kind of superstition of, oh, it's the thunder gods or whatever.
	And this is political correctness as a whole.
	It's ignorance plus fear.
	And when you look at people's responses to a wide variety of issues, which politically correct people are always up in arms about...
	It's always the same.
	They don't know what they're talking about, but they're vaguely afraid.
	Now, that's on the receiving end of political correctness.
	The delivery end of political correctness is ignorance plus rage.
	And there's nothing that produces extremes of emotion more than ignorance, because it's a very humiliating and powerless position, so you're either going to get inflicted upon or inflict upon others.
	So you can just ask people and say, okay, well...
	What do you know about Islam?
	And listen, I will recommend to everyone, you have to learn about Islam.
	You have to learn about Islam.
	Because it is one of the most significant forces, if not the most significant force in the world today.
	What is a billion and a half people?
	And massive incursions and massive expansions like Muslim immigration into the United States has gone up tenfold recently.
	Also, our Muslim population has gone up tenfold.
	I mean, there are 1.5 million recent migrants into Germany, a lot of whom are Muslims.
	You need to study Islam.
	You need to learn about it.
	You need to look it up.
	And, you know, there's a wide variety of sites where you can get it from and, you know, people can just go, but go and look it up.
	And if you don't want to go in, if you don't want to look it up, shut up.
	If you don't want to learn, get out of the conversation.
	If you don't want to study anything, then shut up.
	This is really, really important with people because, you know, intelligent people and knowledgeable people are trying to have discussions about really grown-up important things involving the future of civilization.
	And if all people are bringing to the table is ignorance and fear, then you need to get out of the conversation.
	This concern trawling just says, I'm dumb, but I'm nervous.
	And that's all that really, because it is dumb.
	It's not dumb to not know something about a topic.
	If you know nothing about a topic, you're not dumb.
	There's tons of topics I know nothing about.
	But I don't put opinions out there.
	And I don't try and censor or alarm other people about talking about things I don't understand.
	You know, for a lot of people, when knowledgeable people are talking about a subject, you might as well be speaking in Urdu or in Japanese.
	Like, they don't know what you're talking about, but they just feel a little nervous.
	They say, stop, stop!
	Whatever you do, don't talk about it!
	Right?
	And it's like, okay, well, so you're stupid.
	You don't know about anything.
	You're so stupid that you don't know what to look up or you refuse to, which is even worse.
	And you're so stupid that you think you have something to offer in a conversation where you don't have a clue about the topic.
	You know, and I say this, look, I can't remember why I was thinking about this.
	I did an interview a couple of years ago, PraxGirl, P-R-A-X, PraxGirl, I don't know if they're still in business, but So I had to learn, and I'd read a little bit about it before, but I had to go and learn a lot about praxeology.
	Now, I could have a reasonably competent discussion about praxeology after spending a couple of days reading about it, but I ain't gonna sit there and lecture Hans Hoppe about praxeology.
	When I interview people, I ask them questions that I think are interesting and relevant, and they go from there.
	Because as an interviewer, I'm interviewing an expert, and so my knowledge is not very deep relative to the expert.
	So, you know, having the basic humility of knowing the things that you don't know is essential to not being a completely retarded, dangerous, stupid human being in the universe.
	Because the stupid people, they're like those fat cells that clog up your arteries, just Look, if you don't know anything about Islam or you don't know anything about economics, fine.
	That's fine.
	If you don't know anything about epistemology or metaphysics or philosophy, fine.
	No problem.
	Then shut up.
	Go to the children's table, chew on your crackers, and stop interrupting adults trying to have a conversation about something.
	So this, and concern trolls is just a great way of poisoning a discussion that needs to happen.
	Look, Islam is in the West.
	It's coming into the West and it's expanding into the West.
	So everybody who's got an IQ above, I don't know, Pi, needs to learn about Islam so that you can have an informed discussion about Islam.
	And again, I've read some stuff by Bill Warner.
	I've read other people's stuff.
	Obviously can't read the original Arabic and not going to try.
	But you need to learn about Islam.
	I remember reading books about Islam 12 years ago.
	Because, oh, I didn't read about this in the Famous Five when I was sort of growing up.
	So Islam is in the West.
	It's expanding in the West.
	It's coming to the West.
	And it's gaining more and more political influence in the West and cultural influence.
	So go and learn about it.
	Ignorance plus fear is going to clog the arteries of conversation, resulting in a heart attack of civilization.
	So when people give you this concern troll stuff, just, oh, Okay, well, you must know.
	First of all, if you think it's a race, I'm a little confused.
	But perhaps you can tell me what you understand about Islam.
	And I can guarantee you they understand nothing.
	They know nothing.
	They have no idea of the principles.
	They have no idea of the history.
	They have no idea of the ethics.
	They have no idea of the purpose.
	They have no idea of the goals.
	Not one thing.
	Because, of course, you can't get any facts about Islam from the mainstream media.
	You can't, like, any facts.
	You can get this concern-trolling stuff.
	But you can't get any facts.
	And I hope it's not a radical thing to say.
	Go and learn about Islam.
	You can do it in a couple of hours to get the basics.
	It's obviously a scratch-the-surface kind of thing.
	But learn about it.
	Because, you know, we have...
	I grew up in Christianity.
	So, you know, I know some stuff in Christianity just by, you know...
	But, you know, it's got nothing to do with Islam fundamental.
	If Rastafarianism was becoming a big force in the West, I'd say, okay, let's all kick off our flip-flops and learn about Rastafarianism.
	And, you know, nobody's saying you've got to become an Islamic scholar, but, you know, if you're going to have an opinion on a topic, a couple of hours of reading isn't going to do you much, much harm.
	And, in fact, it's going to make you have the very, very beginnings of credibility.
	So this is just a call as a whole.
	Go study it.
	Go learn about it.
	Go understand it as best you can.
	And, you know, again, I know it's a big topic and all of that, but you can.
	It's like most things.
	It's like the law of diminishing returns.
	You get a huge amount of knowledge increase in just a couple of hours.
	And after that, it diminishes as you go along.
	So, yeah, that's sort of important.
	And so if people are just just ask them, OK, what do you know about about Islam?
	What are its central principles?
	What are its tenets?
	What's its history?
	What's its goals?
	What's, you know, what is it?
	Yeah.
	And I guarantee you, people won't have a goddamn clue.
	And then you could just say, listen, it is highly, highly irresponsible to talk about things you don't have a clue about.
	So please, in the name of all that is holy, stop doing it.
	Yeah, I completely agree with that.
	And they do need to learn about it.
	I need to learn more myself.
	I mean, some of the stuff I threw out there as counterpoint would be, you know, if you're really concerned about gay rights, obviously, I mean, in 10 or 11 Muslim countries, you can actually be killed for it.
	And I think there's 75 countries where it's illegal, most of them Muslim nations.
	Yeah.
	Well, and of course, the people, oh, the Christian, the Old Testament, it's like, yeah, I get that.
	But separation of church and state means that Christians can have strong opinions about ethics without uniting it to the power of the state.
	So where there's no separation of church and state, guess what?
	People's beliefs, if they're religious or otherwise, if there's no separation of church and state, oh my god, sorry, there's a spider in my studio.
	I'm sorry about that.
	I'm going to just find a nice little place.
	He just dropped down.
	I'm like, why is there a dandelion fluff in my...
	I'm just going to hold that up to the camera so people can see it.
	There's a spider in my studio.
	I'm sorry, my friend.
	You are not going to get much to eat down here, so I'm going to put you in a nice little place over here and get you later.
	All right.
	No, Steph, that was a water buffalo.
	That's what that was.
	I know.
	I know.
	I should have kept that.
	Boom.
	I just got water buffaloed first.
	I had to take the first one.
	There we go.
	What were you talking about?
	Well, about some of the counters I had thrown out there.
	Oh, yeah.
	So, yeah, if there's no separation of church and state, then people's beliefs really mean something.
	Now, in the West, it's been a long time since people have had a big mission.
	Right?
	A big mission.
	In the West...
	Because big missions tend to be absorbed and subsumed into the ever-expanding thirst for power of the secular state, people's big missions are all state, government, giant, clusterfract programs, right?
	We're going to end poverty.
	We're going to end illiteracy.
	We're going to educate everyone.
	We're going to get rid of drugs.
	We're going to control alcohol.
	We're going to, like, all the stuff that people have had as their big missions, they've all turned over to the state.
	They've all turned over to the state.
	And so in the West, outside of, you know, crazy communists decades ago, there's not been a lot of people who've had a big world mission, something they're willing to sacrifice for, something they're willing to defer gratification for, something they're willing to really fight for.
	And I don't just mean physically, I mean just like really dedicated themselves to.
	And so it's really, it's hard for people in the West who have got kind of lazy and Hedonistic.
	Selfish.
	You know, there's no bigger goal.
	There's no bigger plan.
	You know, we have freedom in the West because people fought and died for it.
	And now we're like, well, we don't want to make anyone uncomfortable.
	You've got to be careful.
	Careful!
	Excellent.
	So, you know, outside of capitalism versus communism, the West versus the Soviet Union, individualism versus collectivism and so on, well, What are people's big missions?
	Well, in a decadent society, people's big mission, if you want to call it that, boils down to, can I get five more minutes apiece?
	Can I get five more minutes of deferring anything unpleasant?
	And so the question with regards to Islam, of course, on the left, the narrative is that Muslims are going to come into the West and they're going to Integrate well, and they're going to be great, and they're going to contribute to their society, and so on.
	And don't get me wrong, that can happen, and it does happen with certain groups, and it does happen with certain individuals.
	It doesn't happen with everyone.
	And of course, the spread of Islam has been one decidedly of not integrating historically.
	And so, on the left, they say, oh yeah, no, no problem.
	You know, the The gay club can sit right next to the mosque and they're going to exchange recipes over the fence and everyone's going to be hunky-dory.
	And this, of course, is ridiculous coming from the left, right?
	I mean, it's simply because the left has no interest in diversity.
	The left has no interest whatsoever.
	In coexisting with alternative worldviews, which is why when the left moves into any institution, they immediately work to try and make it all left.
	They take over.
	They come in.
	They push out anyone who's conservative.
	They push out everyone who's not a squishy-bishy, multi-cult leftist.
	And so, you know, the fact that they have something in common with Islam, or certain forms of Islam, well, they both, you know, certain radical Islam on the left, they go into institutions and they push out everyone else and they make it a monomania of particular viewpoints, right?
	And so, of course, the left can't fight radical Islam because of similar methodologies.
	And so, like, there was a study done recently about...
	The degree to which anyone who's a conservative just gets pushed out of academia.
	And they did a study.
	It's off the top of my head, but these numbers are very, very close.
	And they might actually be totally right.
	But they did a study of sociologists.
	And there were, they studied thousands and thousands of these sociologists and interviewed them about their particular political beliefs.
	And they found six conservatives.
	Six conservatives.
	So the idea that the left, and the left doesn't sit there and say, oh my goodness, that's crazy.
	We don't have enough conservatives in academia.
	We don't have enough conservatives.
	That's not the kind of diversity they're looking for.
	Yeah, the diversity is, we welcome everyone who votes for the left.
	There's no interest in diversity whatsoever.
	And so when the left talks about diversity, they're just saying, well, we want people that we can use to bludgeon People on the right, and we want people who are going to vote for us.
	It's nothing to do with diversity whatsoever.
	So I think that's a really, really important thing to understand.
	There is an iron law of institutions, and it goes something like this.
	Every institution that is not specifically right-wing will eventually become left-wing.
	Every institution that is not specifically right-wing will eventually become left-wing.
	Because left-wing people want to stay as far away from the market as possible, so they want to create all these pockets where they don't have to deal with the market.
	And we can see this from the left-wing media is cratering.
	The left-wing media is unbelievably cratering because now there's a market of people like myself and people like Mike Cernovich, Milo Yiannopoulos, Vox Dei, and a whole host of other people, Roger Stone and so on.
	And there are all of these people who...
	Yeah, we just recorded a great show today.
	Yeah, I read his book on the buttons after you recommended it.
	It was awesome.
	Yeah, it's great.
	So this...
	Now that they actually have to compete with people and they don't have a monopoly of, you know, there are four television stations and a couple of dozen newspapers, now that they actually have to compete with people in the free market then, not having a bit of it, I'll give you a couple of numbers here.
	This is...
	From two days ago, so 13th of June, 2016.
	So here we have a Gallup poll, and confidence in newspapers has hit an all-time low in the latest Gallup survey, and TV News is also at a new low, the latest proof that Americans are losing faith in the media.
	Well, fair enough, right?
	So Gallup found that just 20% of Americans have confidence in newspapers, a 10-point drop in 10 years.
	TV News saw an identical 10-point drop from 31% to 21%.
	And this is really, I mean, it's a big deal.
	It's a big deal as a whole.
	This is what I mean when I say we are at the end of a particular worldview.
	And I'll give you some numbers because this is really important.
	This is from June 2006 to June 2016.
	Congress, from 19% to 9%.
	Big business remains stable.
	Newspapers, from 30% confidence down to 20%.
	Television news, 31% to 21%.
	Criminal justice system, 25% to 23%.
	Well, at least until people find out more about Marilyn Mosby.
	Organized labor went down.
	Banks, well, of course, biggest drop of all, from 49% to 27%.
	Hey, good job with the bailout.
	And public schools went from 37% to 30%, less than a third of people.
	Have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in public schools.
	US Supreme Court went down four points from 40 to 36.
	Presidency, sorry, the presidency went up from 33 to 36.
	I assume that's because they're a bunch of leftists and we got out of Bush and into...
	Medical system went up a tiny, tiny bit.
	Church organized religion went from 52 to 41 percent.
	The police went down from 58 to 56 percent.
	And the military stayed stable at 73 percent.
	So what that means is that just about all of the major institutions in America are crumbling in terms of public support and public trust.
	And that is very, very important.
	Different.
	And of course, I think one of the main reasons for that is that media lies are now being unpacked in real time.
	Because of the internet, you can now, like the media will say something, and then six million people who have like a rather large amount of time on their hands, good, good, and I'm glad that they did it.
	But six million people go into and start unpacking the story and start looking up court documents and start investigating and start doing background, deep background checks and all that kind of stuff.
	And so the media is facing very public and very charismatic fact-checkers.
	Like, I mean, the untruth about...
	Donald Trump, the very first presentation, you know, podcast plus videos, you know, done a million, million and a half views and downloads.
	So that's a million, million and a half people.
	is lying like crazy about Donald Trump.
	And then they share that information and then they pass it along to other people.
	The ripple effect is huge.
	That's just a drop in the bucket.
	That's just the start of the domino of the people who watch it directly.
	Because then they go and talk to people and they can rebut people on Facebook and they don't have to link to it.
	They can just point out the facts.
	So the fact that the lies that the media are putting forward are being deconstructed in real time, good Lord, half of Twitter, at least the Twitter that I look at, half of Twitter just seems to be like, well, this was bullshit.
	Well, this was bullshit.
	Well, this was a complete lie and this was false And so the media just, I don't think they know what to do with it, and I think that they're so stuck in that deep groove of sociopathic lying that I just don't think they have any idea what to do with people who are disassembling this nonsense.
	And the other thing, too, is because the media is no longer in control of the narrative.
	So two gunmen in Israel, two gunmen killed four Israelis.
	So the military is deploying two additional battalions to the West Bank.
	This was June 10, 2016.
	This is on Wall Street Journal.
	Israel revoked 83,000 travel permits allowing Palestinians to enter the country.
	And said it would send two more army battalions to the occupied West Bank a day after a Palestinian shooting spree killed four Israelis.
	They revoked 83,000 travel permits Now, where's the media?
	Because Trump says, oh, we've got to figure out what's going on with Muslim immigration, like immigration of Muslims from countries that sponsor this sort of terrorism.
	Everyone goes, insane!
	But Israel revokes 83,000 travel permits because of four people killed?
	Is it mentioned?
	Does anyone scream at them that they're racists and whatever, right?
	I mean, you've got lunatics like Paul Ryan...
	Talking about, well, there should not be a religious test for immigration, and talking about the constitutional rights, it's like, they're not citizens!
	How on earth does the Constitution apply to people just wanting to get in?
	That's like saying that the fire code applies to the people outside, down the street, on the other side of town.
	I mean, madness!
	We can't have a religious test.
	What?
	Of course you can have any test you want.
	Any test you want.
	Because if you're not an American, you're not covered by the Constitution.
	Like, I can't believe the stuff that people get away with.
	Obama just recently banned all immigration from Venezuela.
	Is that racist?
	Well, I guess if Islam can be a race, so can Venezuela.
	Hey, everything's a race!
	But yeah, so the fact that the media is full of nonsense and it's regularly being exposed is important, and this is part of their desperation.
	Now, the last thing that I'll say with regards to all of this stuff is this.
	So, you remember Dylann Roof?
	Yeah.
	Mr.
	Bullcutt.
	So when Dylann Roof shot the church, shot up the blacks in the church, what did people say?
	They said, white nationalism.
	Confederate flag!
	This is emblematic of white nationalism, white racism, white power structures, white privilege, white this, white this, white this, white this.
	Of course not.
	Of course it had nothing to do with it, right?
	And the other thing was that one of the things that Dylann Roof was really angry about was the degree to which the media had lied about Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman.
	So if he was really angry about that, wouldn't we say that the shooting was more motivated by media falsehoods than any kind of white supremacist blah blah blah?
	So when you saw the Headlines of Dylann Roof.
	White nationalism, white nationalist ideology, Confederate flag, white racism, and so on, right?
	So, even though he didn't talk a whole lot about any of this stuff, and then it become all whites, right?
	Now, when Mateen, Omar Mateen, this terrorist, when he says that, you know, when he studies at a mosque and he talks about stuff like this, Then what happens is the media, oh, he's a lone wolf terrorist.
	Oh, it has nothing to do with Islam and so on, right?
	So even though Dylann Roof, you know, okay, you could say that Dylann Roof, maybe he was a white nationalist, but how on earth does that become like white people's problems as a whole?
	That's a specific ideology for a particular white person.
	But then when this person is part of an Islamic group, Oh, he's just unstable and emotional trouble and emotional trauma and so on, right?
	And they say, well, he was crazy and evil and his ideology was just the expression of his mental illness.
	Whereas with Dylann Roof, the ideology drove the evil, defined the evil and is shared by so many other people.
	And this is—it's tough, you know?
	I mean, it's tough for the left when one protected class guns down another protected class.
	That is a big challenge, and it is quite fascinating to watch the cognitive dissonance and the degree to which they're just, you know, blaming Christians and blaming whites and blaming guns.
	And it's like, well, what about the— The jihadist outside of Paris who stabbed some chief of police and then went inside and hunted down the guy's wife and slit her throat and then was debating about what to do about their kid, the three-year-old boy.
	Well, that was a knife.
	Knife control!
	Like, I mean, it's crazy.
	Now, of course, the left wants people disarmed because the left wants to expand government power, and it's tough to do that.
	And the left doesn't want people to be able to defend themselves because then it makes them dependent on the state, and it makes them feel helpless.
	And helplessness is how power expands, right?
	Power does not expand in the face of firm resolution.
	That's what contains it.
	Power expands in the face of apathy and cynicism and frivolity and helplessness.
	That's what's going on in Europe.
	So...
	Obviously, I mean, it doesn't need to be said, but I'll say it anyway.
	This guy is not emblematic of all Muslims.
	Of course not, right?
	I mean, absolutely not.
	But in the same way, Dylann Roof was not emblematic of all whites, but somehow the left made it about all whites.
	And now, even though there are, what's it, about 20,000 terrorist attacks since over the last decade and so on.
	And, you know, if you count them up, there's not a lot of Amish.
	So that is a challenge.
	Now, there are things which are being talked about which I also don't particularly agree with.
	Like, oh, well, if you're on the no-fly list, well, you can't get a gun.
	Oh, yeah, that's terrible because you get put on there arbitrarily.
	There's no court.
	There's no due process.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Alex Jones was talking about that.
	That's actually how I first found you, Steph, which was great, that you reached out and went on to that show because he has a large audience.
	And when I started listening to it, you made so much sense.
	And you've helped me a lot, just figuring things out in my own life.
	But I'm glad we were able to talk about this today.
	Speaking of one of the rebuttals that someone made when I brought up the Islam thing, they started comparing Christianity's treatment of gays to Islam's treatment of gays.
	And like it was in the same category.
	Well, can they name...
	Now, I think Uganda is a Christian country, which there's punishments for gays, but Uganda is, well, not the highest IQ population in the known universe, to put it mildly.
	So in terms of You know, Christian countries and their treatment of gays versus, you know, Islamic countries, you know, between 10 and 11, you'd be put to death for being gay, and a lot of people are.
	So in the Western countries, they're trying to figure out, well, gay marriage has become accepted, and generally the law of the land in America, at least, and many other countries, of course, in the West.
	And the difference is that in the West, Public homophobia is social and professional death.
	And in the West, there's a lot of sort of self-pol...
	I mean, it's gone too far in many circumstances.
	A lot of self-policing.
	A lot of self-policing.
	Like, if you go out and you say terrible things about gays, well, people will say, gross, you know, like, nothing to do with you, that's bad, and there's a lot of negative social repercussions about this.
	I will...
	Genuinely feel more hope for Islamic integration.
	When I don't find out about an Islamic scholar who's talked about killing all gays out of compassion in Florida, I don't find that out after 49 gays have been gunned down.
	Exactly.
	You know how I find that out?
	I find that out because the Muslims are protesting the living hell out of this guy.
	And they're alerting the media.
	Do you know there's crazy guys out there talking about killing gays?
	That's horrible.
	That's not Islam.
	That's terrible.
	And we're going to protest and we're going to push back and we're going to do something peaceful and economic and boycott the mosque or boycott the imam or whoever.
	That's when I will start to feel a lot better.
	It doesn't come out because a Muslim killed More than four dozen gay people and wounded another 50.
	I find out about it before there's a shooting because the Muslim community goes crazy just as a lot of Christians do when the Westboro Baptist hold up their Signs against gays.
	I'll feel really great about it when the Muslims are policing the extremists, and that's how we find out about the extremists, and the Muslims will have nothing to do with them, and they will reject them, and they will boycott them, and they will alert the authorities, and they will do all of that.
	That's when I will feel a lot better.
	Yeah, I agree with that absolutely.
	They need to be doing that.
	They need to be doing that now.
	And maybe they did.
	I just – maybe I never heard about it.
	I mean I just haven't seen a lot of – I didn't see like when this guy was quoted as – there weren't a lot of protests.
	There weren't people like getting up and storming out of the room.
	There weren't people calling up and saying, this guy is talking about killing people.
	We've got to do something.
	This is crazy.
	This is terrible.
	Islam says don't take lives and peace and religion of peace and this guy is out there.
	Come on.
	I mean, come on, guys.
	Make us feel better.
	Help us out a little bit if you're not already.
	Maybe they are and it's all in Arabic.
	I don't know.
	But help us out a little bit.
	That's all I'm asking for.
	Oh, exactly.
	Because if we're going to self-police our crazy people, you have to as well.
	Yeah, totally agree.
	I mean, there's an article on Thor's right now that an Islamic speaker admits killing gays is a belief held by moderate Muslims.
	And it's a big interview there where he's asking people, you know, raise your hand if you agree with this, you know, stoning and this and that.
	And like, everyone does.
	I mean, it's a room full of people.
	Obviously, not all Muslims are like that.
	But that's sort of like the idiot disclaimer you have to use.
	But yeah, it's heavy, man.
	Right, right.
	Now, I mean, I get that if you—I mean, I wouldn't get—let me guess.
	So if you're a Muslim and you're, you know, a moderate, decent person, you want to raise your family, you want to do your job, you want to have a peaceful, nice life, and your faith is important to you and it makes you do good works, right?
	I mean, forget about these bombings.
	I want to go around helping the poor and I want to pray.
	Okay, you know, that's— Separation of church and state, I don't care what people believe fundamentally.
	I'll continue making the case for rational philosophy and secular ethics and all of that.
	But if you're a moderate Muslim, I guess my question is, you know, there are extremist elements.
	In Islam.
	I don't think it's shocking to say.
	Extremist elements within Islam.
	Now for the Muslims, the moderate Muslims, the Muslims for whom it is a philosophy rather than some world-dominating ideology, right?
	Like we've got to go out and create the worldwide caliphate and so on.
	It is a philosophy.
	It is a way that they approach the world.
	It is a way that they do good in the world.
	So when they see the extremist elements and they don't do anything, right?
	And again, I'm just going by what the FBI director says and not really getting much Cooperation from the Muslim community in terms of rooting out extremism.
	So either they are looking across at that and saying, well, you know, further than I would go, but I kind of agree with it.
	I don't actually believe that, but then they're kind of colluding, right?
	On the other hand, they're saying, well, you know, those people are pretty crazy.
	And I don't want to kick that hornet's nest.
	Well, who's going to know?
	Who else is going to know?
	So either it's collusion or it's fear.
	Now, if it's collusion, then we have a big problem.
	And again, I don't think that it is for a lot of Muslims.
	But if it is real fear of these crazies, because, I mean, let's all remember, God knows it's horrible what happens in Israel and what happens in Europe and what happens in North America and so on, but the biggest victims of Muslim extremism are Muslims.
	Let's not take that completely out of the equation.
	I mean, It's sort of like a lot of Italians terrified of the mafia.
	It's not because they love them.
	It's just they're scared.
	They don't end up in cement shoes with fishes somewhere.
	I can't remember.
	Fish in a bed or horse's head in a fish.
	I can't remember.
	Something like that.
	And so if they're frightened of radical Islam, well, yeah.
	But then they should be like, okay, yes, let's put a pause on immigration until we can figure out how these people who terrify me could not be in the country, because I think a lot of Muslims leave Islamic countries because they want it to be a philosophy.
	You know, if you've got, in some Islamic countries, you've got these enforcers, I can't remember what they're called, but the people like the, if they see a woman who's showing too much skin or they see someone like, boom, right, they'll beat you up, right?
	Now, that's not having a philosophy.
	That's kind of being in an open-air prison, right?
	You got to do what they say because you don't want to get beaten up and so on.
	So a lot of people who wish to have, like Muslims and everyone, a lot of people who want to have their belief systems chosen.
	Because, you know, is it really virtue if you're just afraid of negative consequences so you just conform?
	I mean, I don't think that's I wouldn't put that quite in the same category.
	Virtue is something that you choose and dedicate yourself to and all that kind of stuff.
	And so a lot of the people I think who are Muslims who want the belief system to be a philosophy that moves them, they don't want that kind of government enforcement, state enforcement of the belief system.
	And so then, and I think this is where Donald Trump does get support from a lot of moderate Muslims who say, well, We're not huge fans of these guys either.
	And the number of – I think the number of Muslims in the West who would be cheering this – like it's a tiny, tiny number.
	I mean – so let's help them keep it as a philosophy rather than imposed by the state by finding some way to allow Muslims to come into Western countries – Who aren't going to be doing this kind of stuff?
	I don't know.
	Again, that's kind of a magic wand and all of that.
	And I don't know how to answer that because I'm not in public policy or anything like that.
	But I think that's important.
	I don't think many Muslims want these kinds of people around either, to put it mildly.
	I totally agree with that.
	And it seems like that should be more of a topic, is how do we vet people better to come in?
	And about the Trump thing, he got...
	Popular on many things, but with immigration.
	And then it was very controversial when he wanted to halt immigration from Muslims temporarily.
	But now I just saw a Reuters poll earlier today where 50% of people agree with that now.
	After this, I mean, it's probably related to this tragedy.
	But yeah, 50% of people that were polled wanted to halt immigration from Muslim countries until we can figure out a better way to do this.
	Right.
	And the challenge, of course, is that It's like the second generation is often more radicalized than the first.
	And that is the big, big challenge.
	I don't know how to answer that.
	I mean, I don't have any clue.
	But the reality is that there are millions of Muslims in Western countries, and we're going to have to find a way to get along.
	And this kind of stuff is not in the interests of reasonable Muslims.
	It's certainly not in the interests of anybody else.
	And we're going to have to find some way for us to all get along.
	And right now, the FBI in America has received over 10,000 tips of potential terrorists or troublesome or problematic activity of domestic terrorism.
	I think it's about 10,000.
	10,000!
	Well, you know, as the old saying goes, if you're looking for a needle in a haystack, first thing you do is stop pouring more hay on it.
	And, yeah, it's perfectly fine for America to say, you know, as Ann Coulter says, we need a little me time.
	We need a little us time.
	Fix our own problems.
	And, you know, I think that the Muslims in America, the Muslims in the West, who wish...
	For their belief system to have the virtue of voluntarism, one, to live in a society with a separation of church and state.
	I think it is more noble to follow a belief system without coercion, obviously.
	I mean, free will is essential to morality.
	And right now, things are not looking super great in terms of vetting processes, to put it mildly, right?
	I mean, all three of the recent terrorist attackers in America were vetted.
	And interviewed.
	And didn't seem to work out that well.
	So clearly, America has a system that's not working right now.
	And it's not working for moderate Muslims any more than it's working for anyone else.
	And that pause to figure out, you know, I honestly, I'm glad it's not my job to figure out how to make this work.
	Because I, you know, government programs and all that, everyone knows my perspective on that.
	But that is...
	Something that needs to be dealt with.
	Right now, the immigration system is simply not working.
	What is it?
	Over 800,000 people have overstayed their visa in America.
	And basically, I don't think anyone knows where the hell anyone is.
	And I think it's also important for people in America to recognize that immigrants in general...
	Because as a welfare state, immigrants displace natives.
	So whatever America is, with a bunch of immigrants coming in, you get less America and more immigrants because of the wealth transfer involved in the welfare state.
	And not just the welfare state, but everything else as well.
	And, you know, it's perfectly fair for America to say, listen, we have taken ridiculous amounts of immigration over the last 50 years.
	And society is really fracturing at the seams.
	We're in unbelievable amounts of debt.
	There are 90 million Americans not in the workforce.
	You have a crumbling infrastructure.
	We've got some serious problems to work out.
	And continuing to pile more immigration and more immigration and more immigration at a time when wages have not budged upwards for the last...
	18 years in America.
	And of course, endless immigration has a lot to do with that.
	For twofold, one, it depresses wages for the people who are working, immigrants who are working, and for the immigrants who aren't working, it raises taxes, which means that fewer people can be hired.
	It's very bad.
	It is perfectly, perfectly alright for America to say, let's take a break from this for the foreseeable future.
	They've done it before.
	You know, they'll do it at this point.
	I know it's inconvenient to the Democrats who want more guaranteed voters without having to get off their lazy asses and make decent arguments, which they apparently have forgotten how to do because all they do now...
	Jimmy put their finger on the scale with immigrants, but I don't know why.
	Why is this so insane?
	Why is this so crazy?
	I mean, it's not working right now.
	If America is going to stay America, it needs time for people to acclimatize and to integrate to certain American values.
	That doesn't mean everyone has to believe the same thing or anything.
	Of course not, right?
	But you can be a Muslim who follows the teachings of Islamic theology and It's fine with the separation of church and state and can be a perfectly productive member of society.
	But the degree to which more and more beliefs come in from a particular group, they tend to harden and there tends to be a moat, particularly the welfare state.
	There's no economic integration.
	You get the no-go zones, all of this sort of mess.
	That is not working.
	That is not working anywhere because it's a government program.
	Immigration plus welfare are two government programs that coincide and detonate.
	And metaphorically, I guess sometimes not so metaphorically.
	So, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's perfect.
	And the fact that people go insane about this is, well, of course, America is a captive at the moment that politicians can strip mine and sell.
	To immigrants in return for votes.
	And it's bad for the politicians.
	You know, this is why you don't have any great rhetoricians at the moment.
	This is why you don't have people giving the kind of speeches that give people goosebumps.
	Because they don't have to give good speeches.
	They can mumble core their way through any amounts of bullshit they want because they just got their fingers on the scale.
	They don't have to be any good at what they do.
	It's lazy because...
	The really competent people don't want to go into politics because, I mean, when was the last time that Paul Ryan gave you a speech that had you jump up off the couch and say, yeah!
	You know, or get excited or give you goosebumps or anything like that.
	They don't have to do anything because it's all manipulation.
	So without immigration, Politicians will actually have to start making really good, important cases to the American public.
	It will be for the betterment of all sorts of public discourse.
	And that's, I think, where a lot of Trump support is coming from.
	All right, listen, I'm so sorry to end with a big speech, but I'm going to move on to the next caller.
	And I really, really appreciate you calling.
	Yeah, thanks for having me, Steph.
	I can just save for a moment.
	Really love what you do.
	You and Mike are excellent.
	Really appreciate being on the show.
	And you are to philosophy what Freddie Mercury was to singing, my friend.
	My baritone brother.
	Can I tell you this though, man?
	Let me tell you something.
	If I could have my philosophy brain or Freddie Mercury's singing voice, I'm telling you, it would be a tough call.
	I just love once in my life being able to sing like that.
	But anyway, thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	It's very, very kind.
	And I'm sure we can talk again.
	Take care.
	Okay, up next we have Roger.
	Roger wrote in and said, What advice do you have for a single father with full custody of a single child?
	I've recently woken up and realized the importance of a person being fully accountable for their actions and want to do everything possible to help my child and myself heal from a toxic marriage.
	That's from Roger.
	Do you mind...
	I'm going to pretend that this is intellectual curiosity, and it is some of that, but I also kind of like gossip.
	Do you mind telling me a little bit about the toxic marriage?
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah.
	Well...
	It has only recently just...
	We've been separated.
	And actually, she moved out in February sometime.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Sorry.
	Do you mind if we start from the how did you meet thing?
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	We...
	No places.
	Yeah, okay.
	No places.
	I know Mike loves editing for the rest of his natural-born existence, but just give me a general's.
	Sure.
	Well, I knew her for...
	A few years, just kind of vaguely, casually.
	We were frequenting the same message board online for a while.
	At one point I wanted to move across the country and she sent me a message asking me to pick her up and take her with her.
	It's because she wanted to move there too.
	Wait, you were friends?
	You were going to move across the country and she said, take me with you?
	Yeah, just, I mean, I guess we were kind of just...
	Did she see you in a speedo like eight minutes beforehand or something?
	Well, since he looks like he's stuffing a beer can, I'm in.
	I'm in.
	It turns out that she probably wanted something to happen between us, but I had no intention of anything going on, but we instantly...
	I had more...
	I had other things on my mind, really.
	I was going to start my career playing music or whatever.
	I was moving all the way across the country and I was thinking about that sort of stuff.
	She was kind of just something that happened.
	I had an extra seat.
	I mean, we were already friends.
	So I said, you know, why not?
	But we instantly clicked.
	We moved in together right away and ended up getting married four months after that.
	So it was pretty quick.
	Did she just fire the V-Cannon at you one night and you succumbed?
	Or what happened?
	I mean, that's probably not too far off in truth.
	I was very...
	Very inexperienced with relationships.
	Oh, you were?
	Was she more experienced with relationships?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, totally.
	Wait, wait, hang on.
	Oh, yeah!
	I mean, that sounds like, oh, yeah, that's more than experience.
	That's like friction burns.
	I don't know if I'd go that far, but just compared to me, I mean, I had only really had, I mean, it's even a couple of, like, I guess three, just kind of halfway relationships that lasted a month or two or something.
	I've always had really good girlfriends, but I've just been really inexperienced in that romantic side of things.
	That usually means that you're not sexually very assertive?
	If you've got a lot of female friends, that usually is because they're not particularly concerned about you coming onto them?
	That makes sense, yeah.
	So is it that when you say that if you're not sexually very assertive, is that because you didn't find these women attractive or you found them attractive but didn't want to or feel like acting on it?
	The ones I was friends with, I generally didn't really find attractive enough to be interested in that way.
	I just kind of...
	I like the way that girls would talk about stuff more than guys, I guess.
	I like to have two sides of it.
	My guy friends and the girl friends too.
	What I got out of those relationships without the complications of going farther with it.
	And your sex drive?
	What's that like?
	Regular?
	I'm fine.
	I don't have problems.
	I'm just wondering, because if you're friends with a lot of girls and you like them, I'm just wondering why you wouldn't have made a move.
	I don't know.
	I guess physical attraction might have played part of it.
	But I think a lot of it was just Not knowing what to do, really.
	I wasn't always very ignorant of that sort of stuff.
	I still feel that way, almost.
	Sorry, I'm confused.
	You were attracted to these women, but you didn't know what to do?
	I liked them as friends.
	I guess I was attracted to them, but I just didn't recognize it for what it was.
	But I wasn't falling over myself wanting to make out with them or whatever.
	Just something.
	But then another girl would come along sometimes and I would definitely be feeling the...
	Sorry to interrupt.
	And how do you feel that you are attractive to the...
	Do you think you're attractive to women?
	Yeah.
	And how would you know that or what do you think?
	I think that I have a lot of good ideas and I'm...
	No, no, no, no.
	Sorry.
	Empirical evidence, not what you think.
	In other words, do women come on to you a lot or do they drop pencils near you and wag their tails?
	I mean, what?
	Sometimes I'll get women come on to me.
	I mean, I don't go out a lot, but...
	Sometimes I'll be approached, or sometimes you look across the room at someone, but I'm typically very quiet, so I rarely make a first step or something like that.
	All right.
	So you moved out of town with this woman.
	You lived together, and a couple of months later you were married?
	Yeah, four months.
	And did you get any feedback from friends, relatives, mom, dad, anything like that about this young woman?
	Well, I kind of had just left most of my life behind.
	There was one friend who came up...
	No, just give me a yes or no, man.
	I've got to keep this moving, okay?
	Did you not get any feedback from your friends or relatives?
	I got some, yeah.
	They liked her.
	They liked her?
	Yeah.
	Okay, and they were wrong?
	Yes.
	Okay, so did your parents meet her before you got married?
	No, they met her at the wedding.
	They met her at the wedding?
	Why didn't you want your parents' feedback on the woman who was going to be their daughter-in-law?
	That's a good question.
	Like I was saying, I felt like I was just kind of making a new life for myself.
	I guess I just didn't need anybody.
	That's the sort of line of thinking.
	Well, okay.
	See, I'm trying to sort of point this out for you and for others, which is warning signs.
	Warning signs.
	Did your fiancé, your girlfriend and your fiancé, did she want to meet your parents?
	Did she say, well, you know, I'm going to marry into a family.
	I've got to get to know your parents.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, she was excited to meet them the day of.
	No, no, no, no.
	Before.
	Before.
	Did she say, listen, I can't just go marry a guy because I'm marrying into a family.
	And I'm going to have, if I have kids with you, then they're going to be the grandparents and they're going to be around a lot.
	I've got to figure out how compatible I am.
	I've got to figure out where you came from.
	I've got to figure out whether our values are similar or not with the family that you came from and all that, right?
	Right.
	No, she didn't.
	Okay, why?
	Why didn't she do that?
	Why didn't she want to meet your family before you got married?
	My guess now is that she didn't think that they would like her.
	Okay, right, right.
	So, she didn't think that they would like her, and so she decided to get married to you, hoping what?
	Hoping that They would not talk to you about it, hoping that they would never meet her, hoping that they would never say anything, that she's going to go through the next 50 years or 40 years or however long your parents are going to live without that going on?
	Yeah, kind of like just, okay, we're married now and that's it.
	It was too late for the parents to disapprove, I guess, after you're already married.
	That is manipulative as all shit, I gotta tell you, Roger.
	That is unbelievably manipulative and very risky.
	Right, like if a woman wants to get married to you, doesn't want to get to know your friends, doesn't want to get to know your family, doesn't even meet them, run!
	I'm saying this, you know, I know you already got run over, but I'm just saying to others, run at that point.
	That is not, that is a person who's substituting kind of vicious cunning for basic emotional intelligence.
	You know, even a car salesman will let you have a test drive, right?
	And why did your parents not say, wait a minute, you're getting married?
	We've never even met her?
	I don't think so.
	Yeah, well, they were very shocked, but they didn't, they didn't, um, disapprove like that.
	Why?
	How on earth could they, I'm sorry, like, I'm just thinking, I'm a dad, right?
	My daughter is going to grow up and get married.
	I'm going to get married to someone, and that someone who I get married to, who my daughter is going to get married to, I'm going to spend quite a lot of time with.
	Yeah, that's how I feel right now.
	Right, so...
	When you said, I'm marrying a woman you've never met, did they say...
	I don't think so.
	And not that they can order you.
	You're an adult and all that.
	But like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, not in a million years, right?
	Yeah.
	So they just kind of, what, rolled over and went with it?
	Yeah, they just said, all right, we're flying out.
	And then they flew out to the marriage.
	And then, you know, of course, everyone was happy that day.
	It's like, you know, you're married, everyone's happy, so there's good impressions all around, and And anything you've got to layer that much sugar and alcohol onto is usually not a very good thing.
	You don't need a lot of sauce for the meat that tastes good already.
	It's the gamey stuff you've got to put on, right?
	Okay, so I'm getting a picture here of a kind of passivity, right?
	Yes.
	Is that fair to say?
	Yeah.
	And so what that means is that you're like a leaf on the estrogen stream of her romantic or marital or sexual desires, right?
	Yes.
	So your ex wanted you, and you kind of went along with that, and then she wanted to marry you, and you kind of went along with that, and your parents are like, okay, I guess we'll come along with that, and so on.
	So this not choosing, and this not being aware of, you know, I'm sure as we talk about this in hindsight, pretty obvious warning signs.
	Someone who loves you should want you to be close to the people who you love.
	This woman, your ex, didn't feel that was important.
	And what that means is that she didn't want you to be in close contact with people who loved you.
	And cared for you and so on, right?
	That's another warning sign.
	Just you and her, just you and her, just you and her, right?
	That kind of isolation is key for manipulation, right?
	It's much easier to manipulate people who are Separated from people who love them, right?
	Because they don't get other people saying, well, wait a minute, that's not right, or something's not right, or giving you feedback, or writing you on the path, or whatever, right?
	Right.
	So my guess is, with that particular situation in place, she knew you didn't have guardians around you, she knew you didn't have people who were going to Keep you strong and who are going to help push back against any kind of manipulation.
	So my guess is she got pretty manipulative, if not downright crazy, after you got married, right?
	Yeah, it pretty much changed.
	It changed pretty quickly.
	And what went on that was so bad?
	She quit her job pretty quickly.
	Bad reasons, really, just social reasons.
	And also started just kind of lying around in bed all day.
	I slowly started or stopped going out because there would always be some sort of...
	Sorry, you stopped doing what?
	Well, I was going out to the bar or something to play music or just to be with friends or something.
	But then I stopped doing that as she just kind of lay in bed more.
	Or just in the house.
	Was she depressed?
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, she was.
	And why was she depressed?
	Do you know?
	It's too complicated for me to really say it.
	I don't know why.
	I mean, she had a terrible childhood.
	I'm sure that didn't leave her with many tools to deal with life.
	Did you know about her terrible childhood before you moved in together or before you got married?
	Vaguely.
	I did know that her parents had divorced and she hadn't seen her father for a long time.
	I met her mother a couple times, and she seemed okay.
	I didn't know her as well as I should have, but there was definitely a lot of information I found out later that painted a more vivid picture of how bad it had been up until just about the point of meeting me.
	But, yeah, looking back on that, I would have definitely gotten to know her more before I made a big commitment like that.
	Well, you knew her for a couple of years, but you didn't really know anything about her family or her childhood or whatever.
	I still don't know what the hell people talk about all the time.
	You don't have to spend all your time talking about your childhood and history, but when you're young, it's kind of important because it's a lot of shaping who you are.
	And, my God, why not know these things?
	But you didn't know these things.
	Okay, so how long did the marriage last?
	Four years.
	Yeah, well, four and a half.
	Right, right.
	And...
	How long after you got married did you have your child?
	It was a year and a half.
	And are you on the hook for alimony and that kind of stuff?
	No.
	I'm no hooks right now.
	Oh, alright.
	I don't know how that's...
	Often if the woman quits working, it's because she's planning on, well, unconsciously or consciously planning on...
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	Well, she quit two jobs before.
	And we, I probably should mention, we, before having our child, after getting pregnant, we moved back to the same town as my parents.
	But my level of isolation was still there.
	Right, right.
	All right.
	And how old is your son?
	His son, is it?
	Daughter.
	She's...
	Yeah, she's four.
	She's four.
	And...
	How long was...
	So she was in the marriage for two or three years?
	Your daughter.
	Maybe my numbers are wrong.
	I guess I was...
	I'm sorry.
	I think it was a five-year marriage then.
	Okay, that's fine.
	It's a couple of years.
	How did you end up with full custody?
	It was in the wake of the crazy event that sparked the ending and all, really.
	My wife took a vacation.
	I'm sorry.
	I shouldn't have said the name.
	That's fine.
	She took a vacation.
	I took a vacation with my daughter, and I got to have a week-long break.
	It was going to be great.
	She decided that she wanted to stay there, to be with her friends and family over there.
	She wanted me to move, and I was going to do it for a while.
	Eventually, after I came to my senses, I went I went out there with my dad to go get our daughter and we brought her back and a few days after that I was a trial at the court date and since my
	wife or ex was still across the country then they just awarded me everything.
	Hmm.
	All right.
	And does your ex, does she have much to do with your daughter at the moment?
	Well, there's a bit, another element I should add is that she was, she ended up being in a mental hospital out on the other side of the country.
	She had a total breakdown out there.
	And then after me and my father brought daughter back home, my ex eventually made her way back Here, and there was a period of a couple months where we were sort of,
	we were living together, but then she was going to move out, and then she ended up having another breakdown, went back to the hospital, and it ended up that she decided to move all the way back across the country again because she couldn't take care of herself.
	Wow, so she really was not able to function in any particular way.
	All right.
	Right.
	And it doesn't seem that she's going to get that reintegrated anytime soon, right?
	Yeah, I mean, she's living with her mom and grandmother and she has a job and she wants to move back eventually, but it's just going to take a while.
	Right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, oh, that was the question you had to ask.
	How involved?
	They FaceTime almost every day, at least once a day.
	Sometimes they'll send a present or something like that.
	Sometimes my ex will send a present.
	She tries to stay connected.
	Now, I'm going to guess that it's not a particularly juicy dating world for you at the moment, right?
	No.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I was going to say I'm not even bothering her at the moment.
	It's just that even trying seems impossible.
	Right.
	It's hard to picture how you could have chose a worse mom for your kid, right?
	Is that fair to say?
	Yeah, without being completely ridiculous.
	Yeah, I mean, other than, you know, demonic possession or whatever it is, right?
	And I want you to understand, this is not just something that was you, right?
	Like, you're a young man, and when you're a young man, the Capacity to get dicknapped, right, where you basically just, wow, someone fired the V-cannon at me and I'm just pinned up against the wall and I've kind of lost free will because hormones and genetics and all that, right?
	So young men need a human shield for the V-cannon, right?
	They need people around them to slap them in the dick and tell them to wise up because this is not a good situation, right?
	Because a lot of times...
	Sexuality for young men, for young men, it's kind of like quicksand, you know?
	Kind of looks just like regular old dirt on the ground.
	You step in, it's like, bloop!
	You're gone, baby!
	And then there's the rodents of unusual size.
	So, you didn't have the moat, the human shield, the people around you, to punch you in the groin and tell you to snap out of it, right?
	Yeah.
	So, I'm not saying this makes you...
	Have like a zero responsibility thing.
	You have responsibility in the matter.
	but I also think you've got some cause to be a little annoyed with some of the people around you.
	Yeah, I suppose so.
	That sounds like...
	I'm trying to find any emotion we can connect on here.
	I'm casting my net.
	I'm throwing my net into a vent just to see if...
	Right?
	Yeah.
	I just...
	That's very true.
	I just thought it was kind of a...
	It's just not the nicest thought, really.
	But it's true.
	Okay.
	So if you want your daughter to heal, you have to stop with nice or not nice thoughts.
	Right?
	I'll tell you, man, not nice thoughts.
	It's chick talk.
	I'm going to grossly generalize here.
	You know that your daughter can be different, but that's not a very nice thought.
	That is the soft censorship of estrogen paralysis.
	Right?
	Men, guys, dudes, we're not supposed to care whether it's a nice thought or not.
	Is it true?
	Not, is it nice?
	So you have to start about what is true, rather than what is nice.
	Because...
	When you worry about what is nice, you end up being dominated and beaten down and you live in a frilly, fascistic universe where whoever gets upset controls your brain.
	Do you understand?
	Yeah, totally.
	You stand with the truth.
	And I'd love it if women did this as much as men, but we're just, you know, I'm talking to you right now.
	So we stand with the truth.
	Is it nice?
	Is it not nice?
	Who cares?
	If someone had said to you, Roger, this is not the woman for you.
	This is not the woman to get married to.
	This is not the woman to be the father of your child.
	Let me tell you why.
	She under functions.
	She had a terrible childhood.
	And what did you say about her mom, Roger?
	Ah, I met her mom.
	She seemed all right.
	Yeah.
	Come on!
	A mom who is alright doesn't produce a girl who ends up in a mental institution!
	So stop whining with the nice stuff?
	What the hell?
	Nice is not nice.
	Nice is cowardly.
	Because if someone had been not nice to you, see the nice thing to you, you want to get married to this girl?
	The nice thing is to say, oh, I'm happy for you.
	Oh, that's nice.
	Oh, we'll fly out.
	Oh, that's good.
	Oh, what a lovely wedding.
	Oh, that cake was delicious.
	Oh, that band sounds just lovely.
	Oh, I think you'll be very happy.
	She seems like a very sweet little young girl.
	You guys are going to be great.
	And they say, well, we're thinking of having a baby.
	Oh, I think that'd be lovely.
	Babies smell like talcum powder, and that makes me smile.
	That's all nice stuff, right?
	How helpful was everyone being nice to you?
	It wasn't helping.
	It was not helping.
	Nice is not helpful.
	Nice...
	It's not nice.
	Nice is fear.
	Nice is conformity.
	Nice is sweeping everything under the rug, pushing everything down.
	Nice is denying facts.
	And nice is not being loving.
	You know, people say, well, it's tough love, like there's any other kind.
	There's no other kind of love than tough love.
	Because when we withhold the truth from people we love...
	We're saying, I don't love you.
	Because either I don't want to tell you the truth because it makes me feel anxious, in which case my anxiety is more important than your happiness, in which case I don't love you, or I don't think you can handle the truth, which means I secretly have complete contempt for you.
	Look, view me as a fragile flower who's kind of mentally crazy and can't look out the window because if it suns out, it's going to burn your retinas.
	So either I'm putting my anxiety above your happiness, which can't be love, or I think you're too fragile to handle the truth, which means I've got to tiptoe and lie around you all the time, and that ain't love either.
	Love is direct truth as you see it, with reason and with evidence, because that is actually being nice.
	That is actually being helpful.
	If you're sick, you go to a doctor and the doctor says, you're fine.
	He's being nice.
	You just might die.
	If you're really sick, you want the doctor to say, hey, you're kind of sick.
	You've got to take this medicine.
	You've got to do X. You've got to do Y. If you go into the doctor and you're 250 pounds, 5'10", and it ain't all muscle, do you want your doctor to say, looking good?
	Maybe a little extra weight.
	You're a little too lean there.
	No, you want him to say, Sorry, fatty.
	You gotta lose it.
	You gotta lose it.
	It's not good for you.
	It's not healthy.
	You want people to tell you the truth.
	Let me guess.
	Mom wears the pants.
	Not all the time.
	I wouldn't say that, really.
	Well, the emotional pants.
	Which is, I mean, they're powerful.
	Yeah, so mom doesn't like things that aren't nice, right?
	That's true, yeah, definitely.
	Yeah, okay, so mom doesn't like things that aren't nice.
	So you end up with the mother of your child in a mental institution because mom likes things that are just nice.
	Not helpful.
	And I'm saying to you all of this because I want you to break that cycle, Raja.
	We grit our teeth.
	we look at the facts.
	It is not helpful to have people around you who are more concerned about conflict avoidance than actually helping you.
	My daughter says, oh yeah, I met this guy.
	We're going to get married in a couple of months.
	He doesn't want to meet you.
	Let me tell you, I would not be nice.
	Which means I'd actually be helpful.
	That's interesting.
	The only time in recent memory that I can remember my parents and my boss actually too, they're Not nice to me recently whenever this situation was happening with the people on the other side of the country and stuff.
	It really kind of slapped me in the face and made me realize what was actually going on.
	I can't remember the last time before that that my dad was talking to me in that way, in that not nice sort of way.
	Yeah, and this niceness.
	I mean, the reason I'm quite passionate about it is I care about you and your daughter.
	But it's a big issue, too.
	I mean, this political correctness.
	Let's be nice.
	Let's not bring up anything uncomfortable.
	Let's not get any facts that might make it.
	Oh, my God.
	Was this the pinnacle of our civilization?
	To become such snowflakes that the merest sunlight causes us to vaporize?
	To become vampires to the sun of truth?
	This is what all our ancestors worked so hard for?
	Was that we could just dance around each other with frilly nothingness and talk about the weather and sports and nothing that's ever going to upset anyone?
	Man!
	If they saw what we did with their sacrifices, they would come back from the dead without going off their head and take us down like an orc army.
	But anyway.
	So yeah, if you want to heal, look, people in your life are supposed to have your back.
	People who love you are supposed to have your back.
	We're a team.
	We're a squad.
	In a harsh world, people are supposed to have your back.
	There are mean people out there.
	There are violent people out there.
	Manipulative people out there.
	Lazy people.
	Predatory people.
	Parasitical people.
	There are people out there.
	And we're all going through like back-to-back swords out.
	Going through Mordor.
	And we got to watch each other's back.
	And if people don't watch your back...
	They're partly responsible for what happens.
	That's the whole point of love.
	Love means shared responsibility.
	If I love you, Roger, and I stand by and don't stop you from making a bad decision, I'm complicit in the results of that decision.
	Let me give you an example.
	What's your favorite soup?
	Tomato.
	Tomato soup.
	Okay.
	I'm going to assume you don't like tomato soup with eyeball.
	Now, let's say you and I sit across from each other in a restaurant, and you're chatting with me, and you're so focused on what you're saying to me, you're just eating soup, you know, like that machine eating that bachelors do.
	Must refuel!
	I will refuel in flight if I can, right?
	Just all that kind of just...
	I need calories so that I can go on with bachelor stuff.
	Yeah.
	And so your machine conveyor belting, you're escalating up the food to your mouth, and up to your mouth is a spoon of tomato soup with an eyeball.
	What am I going to do?
	Say, hey man, there's an eyeball in your soup.
	I know, I'm actually going to slap it out of your hand.
	Oh.
	Because I don't want you to be like, I don't want you to take a bite and say, I'm sorry, what?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's like, boom!
	It's going to fly across the room.
	Sorry if it might land in someone else's soup, but I'll tell them too.
	But my goal is don't eat the eyeball.
	My friend Roger should not ingest an eyeball.
	That's my three-second plan for the next three minutes.
	No eyeball in Roger's mouth, right?
	Now, if I don't say anything because I don't want to startle you, or I say, well, I didn't want to interrupt you, so I thought I'd let you eat that eyeball.
	Am I kind of complicit in you ending up with an eyeball in your mouth?
	Yeah.
	Yeah!
	Because I saw the eyeball.
	You didn't.
	So it's my job to make sure that eyeball doesn't end up in your mouth.
	Or cockroach, or whatever, right?
	Peeling some big old Harry Belafonte banana pack and In there is a tarantula and I don't say anything because, well, you were right in the middle of saying something.
	So the people who can see stuff that you can't are kind of complicit in what happens after.
	So I want your daughter to grow up knowing that you have her back, which means to hell with nice.
	I just want the facts.
	Because you're going to be tempted.
	And listen, you listen back to this call.
	You've done it a dozen times, at least.
	Where you can say, what are you going to say about the mother of your child to your child?
	You don't have to tell me now.
	But your great temptation is going to be nice.
	To be nice, right?
	Well, you know, she tried her best.
	She did the best she could with the knowledge she had.
	She had this problem.
	She had that problem.
	She did have a bad childhood, but, you know, we tried our best and we tried to work it out.
	You're going to be really tempted to be nice, right?
	And what that's going to give...
	Oh, and also, it just happened, right?
	There's no way to see it ahead of time.
	And what that's going to Give your daughter, I'm guessing, is this sense of like, well, with the very best of intentions, absolute disaster can result.
	We loved each other.
	We really tried.
	We tried to work it out.
	We did this.
	We did that.
	But next thing you know, blah-de-blah-de-blah, right?
	Which is sort of like, anytime you go outside, even if it's a clear blue sky, sunny day, you can get hit by lightning.
	So when we take the cause out of things, which is what being nice is, we take the cause out of things, the dominoes, boom, got hit by lightning.
	Now, if you say, well, here I was, I made really bad decisions, and the people around me didn't look out for me, they didn't tell me the truth, they were just all being nice and facilitating and accommodating and pleasant and all that kind of stuff.
	And so I ended up making some really bad decisions and I compounded those decisions and things got worse and then this happened.
	Like, if you give her the facts and the truth, then she's going to say, okay, well, if we ended up in this situation and these dominoes preceded it, then if I avoid toppling over those dominoes, I'm not likely to end up in this situation.
	But when you're nice, when you forgive yourself, when you forgive others, when you forgive your ex-wife, when you forgive the people around you and everything gets whitewashed...
	Then there's this paranoia of terrible things can happen, even with everyone having the very best of intentions.
	You're never safe.
	If you say, well, you know, here's what I did.
	I climbed on the top of a church with a giant umbrella in the middle of a lightning storm.
	Next thing you know, I got hit with lightning.
	Well, you tell that story so your kids don't climb on the top of a church with a big old umbrella reaching up to the sky in the middle of a thunderstorm.
	Say, well, if I don't do that, I'm pretty much not going to get hit by lightning.
	So if you say, well, I did these things, that's how I ended up getting hit by lightning, as opposed to, well, there I was in the basement watching TV. It was a beautiful sunny day.
	Boom!
	Lightning right through the window.
	Well, that makes people kind of paranoid about lightning, right?
	Because no steps you can take to avoid it.
	It could just happen anywhere!
	So if you want her to feel a sense of security when it comes to making good decisions about her life...
	Then you need to unpack for her the decisions that could have been avoided so that she can avoid them and understand that having her mom in a mental institution didn't just happen.
	But there were a whole series of decisions and steps that could have been made better and differently that you're partly responsible for and your family's partly responsible for and her family's partly responsible for and she's partly responsible for.
	People made a whole bunch of bad decisions and avoided a whole bunch of stuff by trying to be too nice and this was the result.
	Then she's going to feel, okay, well, lightning doesn't just hit you while you're sitting in the basement on a sunny day.
	Does that make sense?
	Yes, definitely.
	Good.
	Then I'll try and quit while I'm ahead and move on to the next caller, but I hope it works out.
	Thank you so much for calling.
	It's a very, very important question.
	And this is, you know, back to the person being fully accountable.
	Don't take it all yourself.
	You're part of a community, which means the community is partly responsible for what happens to you.
	That's the point of a community, so...
	Thanks, Roger, and let us know how it's going, alright?
	Thank you very much.
	Okay, up next is Anson.
	Anson wrote in and said, When discussing political issues such as the economy and illegal immigration with leftists, I frequently get confused by the ridiculous things they say and lose my train of thought.
	How can I deal with these abstract statements that basically mean nothing when these discussions come up?
	How can I stop over-complicating things for myself and learn to articulate the logic behind my beliefs without getting sidetracked or frustrated by all of the leftist propaganda out there?
	That's from Anson.
	Alright, so Anson.
	Yes.
	Let's do the economy.
	Okay.
	I'm going to, uh...
	I'm going to deport conversations about immigration for just a moment.
	Those are the hardest ones by far, the immigration ones.
	All right.
	Well, maybe we'll come back to it.
	Okay.
	So, first of all, who are these leftists?
	Are they friends, family, people on the subway, people in airplanes?
	Who are they?
	Coworkers, friends.
	And some of them aren't even necessarily leftists.
	They just...
	Harbor these ridiculous ideas that are not based on facts, like, you know, immigration.
	Like, everyone deserves a second chance and, you know, all this.
	And, like, I grew up with this.
	Like, my dad, like, anytime you criticize him, like, he deflects it by saying, like, with these abstract statements that mean nothing.
	Like, I call them isms.
	And it's just, like, I get so infuriated when people do that.
	Like, I can't outsmart people after that.
	I have no idea what to say.
	Okay, so it's about your dad.
	Right, the reason you're having trouble with the leftists is they use the same tactics as your dad.
	I mean, to be blunt, right?
	Oh, for sure, yeah.
	I mean, that's what I get out of it, at least.
	Right.
	Okay, so...
	There are a couple of principles which I think are helpful in this area.
	I'll go over them very briefly, and then you can tell me if they match, right?
	Okay.
	So...
	The first, of course, is the idea...
	That society is the state, right?
	And what this means is that people say, well, I want to help immigrants, or I want to help people, right?
	Everyone deserves a second chance.
	It's like, okay, then give it to them.
	But don't ask the government to do it.
	That's different, right?
	And it's Bastiat said this, you know, said, well, we don't want the government distributing corn.
	Oh, you want everyone to starve to death.
	It's like, you know, people can distribute corn who aren't part of the government, right?
	In fact, they'll do a much better job.
	So, when it comes to, like you say, well, I want to help.
	Let's say you want to help people in Mexico.
	Okay.
	Send them some money.
	There are tons of charities who will help people in Mexico.
	So, the idea that if you want to help Mexicans have a better life, that doesn't mean that you need some big, giant-ass government program to drag them over and pay them welfare.
	How is that?
	I mean, that's not the only way to do it.
	And it's probably not the best way to do it.
	I mean, I'm speaking, you know, I know it is not, but in terms of, like, helping lefties, right?
	The other thing, too, you know, one of the big problems, you know, why has the third world become such a crap hole in so many ways?
	Well, partly that's the result of immigration.
	Because what happens is when Western countries open their borders to immigration from the third world, who leaves first to come to the West?
	The countries that are not as well off as the West.
	Right, but who in those countries, which what type of person tends to be the first to leave when immigration opens up in the West?
	And I don't mean like unfettered, cross the Mediterranean on a toothpick kind of immigration.
	I mean legal immigration where you've got to fill out a bunch of forms, you've got to pay money, you've got to wait, you've got to navigate bureaucracy.
	Does it tend to be smarter people or less smart people who can do that?
	Through legal channels, definitely smarter people.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Now, the migrant thing is a totally different kettle of fish.
	So we're just talking about the legal immigration to the West will disproportionately scoop intelligent people out of the third world and bring them to the West.
	Right?
	Right.
	Now, let's say that you take 10% of the smartest people out of some third world country.
	Who's left?
	Like the 90% of the people that are less intelligent.
	The Jethro's.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	The Beverly Hill police, right?
	So there's a giant brain drain.
	Through legal immigration, there's a giant brain drain of taking competent, intelligent people out of those countries.
	Now, in a lot of those countries, it's not like they're up to their eyeballs in brains anyway.
	So you're taking the people who might otherwise be running their social institutions.
	You're taking the people who might otherwise be running their governmental institutions.
	You're taking the people out who might otherwise have started businesses.
	You're taking people out who otherwise might have figured out really great medical treatments or might have found some way to convince people in Africa to stop eating bats.
	You're like, whatever it is, right?
	And so when you take people out of those countries, I get that the people who are in those countries want to come to the West because it's a lot easier to get something built at IKEA and deliver to your house than to try and build it yourself in your basement.
	I get that.
	I'd much rather get a ping pong table coming to me as a ping pong table rather than six million parts and a potential migraine, right?
	Right.
	Right.
	So I get it.
	People want to come to the West because the West is more free and it's more civilized and it's more reasonable and it's blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
	So I completely and totally understand that.
	However, we must understand that that guarantees a vastly reduced standard of life in the originating country.
	So we're helping a small number of people And we are harming enormously a huge number of people.
	Oh look!
	The 25,000 smartest people in Pakistan have come to the West!
	And then what?
	What happens to Pakistan?
	What happens then?
	So it's a disproportionately taking people Who are the only chance these countries have for improvement.
	Let's not kid ourselves.
	Smart people are the only chance these countries have for improvement.
	We are taking the only chance the third world has to improve out of the third world and dumping it into the first world.
	And they're not going back.
	I mean, it's depriving the rest of the world of, like, people with, you know, higher IQ. And, like, I've watched a lot of your videos on how much IQ has to do with just your success in general in life.
	And, I mean...
	Yeah, you are condemning to perpetual Stone Age poverty countless countries around the world by taking the only smart people out of the country...
	And bringing them to the West.
	And then what happens is you say, well, we've got to put a lot of foreign aid into these third world countries because they don't seem to be doing so well.
	No kidding!
	Really?
	Taking all the smart people out of the third world countries, funnily enough, they're not doing that well.
	Well, yeah, I think you're right.
	Hey, funnily enough, take all the doctors and nurses out of the hospital, you don't get better.
	When you go there, in fact, you get sick because everyone else is coughing.
	They're not getting better.
	Come on.
	Like.
	It's like taking all the good actors out of a movie and then wondering why the movie doesn't sell.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I've done a lot of research on these topics, and I know I've done more research than the people I talk to, and it's just that In those moments where they start saying these things...
	Okay, fine.
	We'll do it.
	Give me a roleplay.
	Fine.
	Fine.
	Fine, fine.
	I'll pretend it's a choice.
	No, okay.
	Give me a roleplay.
	You be one of these lefties and we'll do immigration if you want.
	Okay.
	So I would like to put a pause on immigration.
	Whatever you say, right?
	Okay.
	And what do they say?
	You just pretend to be them.
	Well, I mean, why do you want to do that?
	Don't you care about the people that are trying to get into this country and have a better life?
	Sure.
	I care about my family, my children, right, because the people who are coming in are huge drains on society as a whole.
	I also care about their country and their future because everyone who's trying to come into this country is usually smarter than the population they're leaving behind, which means that if less intelligent people are left behind in those countries, those countries are never, ever going to get better.
	Thank you.
	And, you know, as far as the migrants go, the cost of resettling someone in the Middle East is $1,000.
	It's almost $13,000 to resettle someone in America.
	So it's better for them to be in the Middle East, same culture, same language, same culture, same geography, same weather, whatever you name it, same religion.
	So we should help 13 people in the Middle East rather than bring one person to the West.
	So I do care about them, but I'm allowed to care about myself and my family too, right?
	I mean, we have a country that is massively in debt.
	You can say this for all the Western countries.
	We're already massively in debt.
	We simply can't bring endless amounts of people in who cost money out of the public treasury because we have no money.
	We have no money left.
	So what's going to happen is we're going to bring a bunch of people in.
	They're not going to integrate because they're on welfare.
	And then we're going to run out of money.
	And then what?
	Is that kind to them?
	You've got to think smarter than just the sentimentality of the moment.
	What about the people all left behind?
	All the smart people have left and they can't figure out how to make their country better.
	What about the long-term effects of all of this?
	What about my family?
	What about the debt?
	It's a little bit more complicated than let's be nice to everyone.
	I mean, I don't know what to say after that because if so, like, there's nothing you can say.
	You're mean!
	You're a racist!
	Well, yeah, I'm sure, yeah, that would come.
	I mean, I told a girl I was a Donald Trump fan and she called me a sexist, so yeah.
	I'm sure that would definitely follow up.
	What's wrong with being sexy?
	I mean, yeah, it turns into a character assassination once they realize that you've actually got some facts and, you know, but they're pissed off because they want to hold on to their ideas and they want to be right.
	No, no, they don't want to hold on.
	They've got no ideas.
	No, they want to hold on to their sentimentality.
	And so, let's just say you call me a sexist or a racist or whatever, right?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So then you could say something like this.
	You are a horrible human being.
	You are a horrible human being.
	Look, you brought up a topic and we started debating it.
	Am I saying I've got all the absolute final answers?
	I didn't say that.
	I made some arguments.
	Those arguments have facts, reason, and evidence behind them.
	Now, if you're going to sit around and turn around and just start slandering someone, that is incredibly irresponsible.
	It's incredibly destructive.
	It's incredibly disrespectful.
	And you know what?
	It's incredibly racist of you.
	I didn't bring race into it.
	So the fact that you're starting to bring race into it, when I didn't mention anything about race, means that you're the one who thinks in terms of race all the time, which makes you the racist, because you're calling me as a white person racist when I never mentioned race at all, which means that you're judging me as a white person.
	Guess what?
	You're a racist.
	And if you want to have conversations with adults...
	If you want to have conversations where intelligent people exchange ideas for the betterment of the world, you've got to come up with something a little better than, you're a racist, you're a sexist, you're a misogynist.
	I mean, that's not having an argument.
	That's not even having a tantrum.
	That's just a confession that you belong at the children's table, not the adults' table.
	Now, if you want to get some facts and if you want to take a break and say, listen, I haven't heard these facts and arguments before.
	Let me go and check them out.
	Let me get back to you.
	That's perfectly fine.
	And maybe you'll come up with something that's going to repudiate and we'll both end up wiser and better because of it.
	But if you're just going to vomit up stupid, silly, negative ad hominems, then you're just telling me that you really don't belong in any kind of adult discussion about important things, and you should stop trying to pretend that you can juggle when you can barely even find your face with your hands.
	Yeah, I recognized what you were talking about at the end.
	I watched that presentation by Ben Shapiro about arguing with liberals, and I'm telling you, man, my brain just freezes up in those situations.
	If I'm talking to people that are like-minded, I have no problem articulating where I'm coming from.
	But, I mean, what is the best way to approach these discussions?
	When do you just...
	Why do you want to?
	I guess I'm kind of freaked out about the state of things right now.
	I feel like Western...
	No, I get that.
	I get that.
	But...
	If I don't speak Japanese and I'm freaked out about something, I don't go and talk to people who only speak Japanese.
	Because I'm not doing anything.
	Because they don't understand what I'm saying and I don't understand what they're saying.
	So Mike, you probably feel like a lot of people do.
	You feel helpless, right?
	Yeah.
	And you feel desperate.
	Well, I've got to get people to agree with me so that the world gets better.
	I mean, yeah.
	I mean, that's a good summation.
	Okay, so here's the important thing to understand, Anson.
	If you feel helpless, the worst thing to do is try and talk to people who reject reason and evidence.
	Because what's that going to make you feel even more of?
	More helpless.
	Yeah.
	See, this is the tactic of leftists.
	They invite you into a debate, and they throw reason and evidence to the wind.
	And they manipulate, and they insult, and they dodge, and they squirm, and they whatever, right?
	Yeah.
	So that you end up bewildered and helpless.
	Right?
	There are some animals who will attack you with a tooth and claw, and there are other animals that, you know, like the Komodo dragon, just gives you a little chomp, a little nip, and then you just get weaker over time.
	It's a venom, right?
	It's a kind of venom.
	And so, there are people in your life, there are people I've met, I disagree with them significantly, but they energize me.
	There are people I've met I agree with significantly, and they drain me.
	So it's not the particular perspective, it's the methodology, it's the engagement, it's the interest, it's the willingness to listen, to debate back, to get involved, to get engaged, right?
	To be even remotely an adult in these areas, right?
	Most people, intellectually, Anson, are barely out of the crib.
	So true.
	You need, no, but you get that, but you don't get it.
	Right?
	Like, I get it in thought, but I definitely don't practice it.
	You don't get it, right?
	Listen.
	You and I are in a field.
	We've got catcher's mitts, well-oiled.
	I got my left-handed one.
	Yay!
	And like when I first came to North America.
	And we've got, you know, one of those big old hunking brain-busting baseballs, right?
	Oh, cricket ball, even better.
	Basically twine wrapped in concrete, right?
	And so we've got this, you know, and you and I, we can like, sun can be going down, we can be listening to music, we can be chatting a bit, and we can be like a hundred yards away from each other, throwing the balls back and forth all day, right?
	Yeah.
	And it's nice.
	I like that.
	It's cool.
	I mean, I'm a frisbee guy.
	I'm a throwing ball guy.
	I love that stuff.
	It's great, right?
	So you and I can be doing that because we're adults, right?
	Now, let's say that you have a three-month-old baby.
	And I say, I'm going to play catch with this brain-busting concrete cricket ball with your three-month-old baby.
	What are you going to say?
	You need to rethink what you're doing.
	I hope you'd be a little bit more assertive than that.
	Like, no, you crazy bastard, you're going to kill him.
	Because you're going to throw the ball, it's going to bust his head open, right?
	Yeah.
	Because he's three months old!
	He doesn't even know what a catcher smith is.
	Or a baseball glove, right?
	Yeah.
	Same thing, you know, let's prop your...
	I can give one out here to Mike.
	Let's prop your three-month-old up, and I'm going to take slap shots at the hockey net with your three-month-old baby there, right?
	How's that going to work out?
	So when you genuinely recognize that most people are still in the crib when it comes to intellect, they don't know how to debate, they don't know how to argue, they don't know how to reason.
	They're entirely emotion-based.
	Come on.
	They've been raised by women.
	They've been trained in school by women.
	Did you get a lot of logic classes when you were a kid from women?
	No.
	You didn't, did you?
	Not really.
	A lot of famous female philosophers in the logic camp?
	No, not that come to mind.
	Rand, a couple else, right?
	But it's kind of a sausage fest, right?
	And it's even worse now than it was in the past.
	So, unfortunately, we have the fascism of feels, right?
	Well, I feel sentimental about immigrants.
	I care for them.
	Why?
	Because I don't have any babies, right?
	This is another fundamental thing, too.
	Do people have children?
	Like, it's not 100%, right?
	Ayn Rand didn't have kids and Coulter doesn't have kids and, you know, they're both pretty ferocious when it comes to reason and evidence in many, many ways, right?
	Milo, unlikely to, well, not going to have biological kids.
	Maybe he'll adopt one day.
	But people who, women in particular who don't have kids, I'm always suspicious about their sentimentality.
	I'm always suspicious about the sentimentality of women.
	So I've been watching this show.
	Spoilers!
	I've been watching this show.
	It was recommended to me a long time ago.
	I never got around to watching it.
	Called The Island with Bear Grawl, whatever his name is, right?
	And...
	Basically, there are 14 men and 14 women all dropped in different islands, and they've got nothing.
	They've got a couple of fishhooks and a day's supply of water, and they have to figure out how to survive.
	The men have to go and try and kill a crocodile to get so hungry at some point, right?
	And on the women's island...
	Oh, don't even get me started.
	But anyway, everything everyone said from the MGTOWs is true.
	But the women adopt these two baby pigs and name them and cuddle them and sleep with them.
	Oh my.
	Right?
	And, you know, at some point, they get hungry.
	I can't eat something I've named.
	And there are a couple of sensible women who are like, don't name them.
	Don't name them.
	Come on.
	We know where they're going to end up.
	And they're very sentimental.
	When the men get the crocodile, they're like, gentlemen, we have handbags.
	They're thrilled.
	They're, you know, coming in.
	Baby pigs are cuter than crocodiles.
	But they're like, yes, we got the crocodile.
	Come and eat.
	Right?
	And the women are all like crying because they have to kill the baby pigs to eat them.
	And it's like, it's not bad.
	It's not a men good women bad thing.
	I mean, it's just different wiring because, you know, babies and breastfeeding and right.
	I mean, so the sentimentality for women is designed for their babies.
	And when women don't have babies, they adopt migrants.
	They adopt animals.
	Immigrants.
	They adopt minorities.
	Whatever, right?
	The sentimentality.
	So they can exercise their sentimentality on pretend children's substitutes, and they don't have any real children that are competing for those resources, right?
	That's fascinating.
	So they can virtue signal all they want, Angela Merkel, who has no children.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They can virtue signal all they want.
	It's not costing their children anything.
	And women have this instinctual desire to nurture and to protect and to give over to people who are needy.
	It's beautiful.
	It's beautiful.
	Unless there's a big state and not a lot of children around, then you get this complacent, like insane pathological altruism where the entire planet becomes...
	The missing children in the woman's lonely-ass, ancient, cat-feeding family portraits of nothingness.
	So it's really, really important to understand what you're dealing with here.
	When you talk, I really think this is true.
	I can't prove it.
	I understand.
	It's just a way of looking at things.
	I think it's true.
	When you talk to a lot of women, and you talk about putting the border up, What they hear is, I'm not going to let you see your children.
	That's how it registers to them?
	I really believe it does.
	I'm not saying consciously, but if groups have become child substitutes for women, then it's really impossible A different emotional experience.
	Right?
	So, I mean, we all know what it is with women and cats, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, they dress them up.
	They feed them gourmet stuff.
	They give them names.
	They project weird, meaningless personalities.
	Oh, he's feeling mischievous.
	No, he's a cat.
	Can't even recognize something in a mirror.
	Ah, bemused resignation is emanating from my cat.
	No, furry projection is bouncing back your craziness from your cat.
	And we all know what it's like with women and the cats.
	If they're single.
	If they don't have children.
	All of that maternal energy.
	All of that investment.
	Like, women are designed to have like eight or ten children.
	Children!
	Real human beings who grow and do stuff other than hopefully don't pee on your couch.
	Right?
	And so this massive amount of sentimentality that women have which is designed to help them nurture an endless wave of helpless dependent infants and bring them to adulthood.
	I mean, look at Phyllis Schlafly, mother of the year, six kids.
	She's fine without migrants.
	Because the reason why women who don't have kids but who have kids substitutes never grow up, because their child substitutes never grow up.
	Look, if you get cats and they become your pretend kids, they're never growing up, which means you never have to escape the early infancy part of motherhood, which means you can remain ridiculously sentimental and kuchikui-y.
	And brain dead.
	And listen, I've been around babies.
	They're, you know, they're wonderful.
	But you, you know, every phase with a kid, it's like, wow, this phase is great.
	Man, I can't wait for this phase to end.
	You know, and the next phase comes, wow, this phase is great.
	And you like it for a while, and then you're like, wow, I'm really looking forward to this phase ending and all that, right?
	But when there's child substitutes rather than children, the women never have to grow up to match the accomplishments and growth and maturation of their children.
	Which is why the old cat ladies are so retarded in so many ways.
	Because the cats have never grown up.
	They've never achieved independence.
	They're not exactly filling out college applications for Chairman Meow, right?
	Yeah.
	So it's important to understand at what primal level you are dealing with a lot of people.
	The women's desire to nurture...
	It's very powerful.
	And it also doesn't help when you have mother-headed or single-mom households with all of this stuff, because it's the dad's job to step into the sentimentality and pry it off the kid.
	Nah, she'll be fine.
	She can jump from the top step.
	Oh, she'll be fine.
	She doesn't need training wheels anymore.
	Oh, she'll be fine.
	If she falls, she'll learn.
	She'll get up, right?
	I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, most moms wouldn't let their kids learn how to ride a bike if they weren't in full plate armor.
	Whereas, you know, when I was learning how to ride a bike, I was like, strawberry elbows, strawberry knees, those were like weeks.
	I'm fine, right?
	And so when you have a lot of, because, you know, say we're women, but a lot of men now too, but they're all raised with this hyper-caution, bubble wrap, the kids fear women have.
	Women in the absence of men turn paranoid, right?
	And hyper-sentimental.
	And lose their bearings.
	Listen, bad things happen to men in the absence of women as well.
	But we're just talking about this other thing, like women in the absence of men go crazy.
	Oh, I've seen it.
	Right?
	We're seeing it as a society.
	This crazy, no in-group preference, no borders, no, like everything's sentimental, everything's emotional driven, it's the next five minutes.
	That's because there's nobody around saying, stop it.
	Stop it.
	You chose not to have children.
	I'm not going to pretend there's imaginary children out there for you to avoid the pain and the loss of not having children.
	Right?
	If you choose not to have children, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	But then don't take the bullshit substitute kids route.
	Because that is incredibly destructive because the migrants aren't your children.
	The cats aren't your children.
	The immigrants aren't your children.
	The poor people aren't your children.
	So this is the level that you're dealing with, that people at an emotional level have made these crazy associations facilitated by the state, right?
	When women don't have men around and they have kids and they have bills, they run to the government in general.
	So the government has become the husband.
	But without all of those annoying equality demands, right?
	He's become the sugar daddy where you don't even have to get a boob job.
	And so when women don't even have kids and don't have a husband, then other things become their kids and Because, like, there's...
	Let me tell you...
	So other things become the case the governments have to pay, virtue signaling, blah, blah, blah, right?
	But let me tell you something about middle-aged women who are ridiculously unhappy these days.
	Like, crazy unhappy.
	So middle-aged woman...
	Life gives you significant sorrow and mortality in the reality of aging parents, right?
	Right?
	So the way that life is supposed to work is you push your children into adulthood and you lower your parents into the grave.
	That's how life is supposed to work.
	You know, 25-year, 30-year generations, right?
	So your kids grow into adulthood.
	And as they grow into adulthood, oftentimes your parents are in declining health.
	And we're talking, like, I know we, the crypt keepers live forever now.
	It's just biologically in general.
	And the happiness of seeing your children go out into the world as adults and get married and have kids and the happiness that you feel, it's the bittersweetness.
	You feel happiness about that, but a lot of times at the same time, and if you're lucky, your kids are healthy, your parents are healthy, but a lot of times as your kids are going out into the world, getting married, having their own kids, your own parents are aging.
	And that's the bittersweet cycle of life that we all, a lot of us have to recognize and deal with.
	Ah, but my friend, if you are a woman who's not had children, and you're close to your parents, then what happens is you come into middle age.
	You are lowering your parents into the grave, but not shepherding any children into adulthood.
	Could you imagine how depressing that is?
	There's no new life.
	You're burying the old life and you will follow and you've not used the gift of your existence to bring anyone into existence.
	And you're trailing after your parents down the soft steps to an ashy grave to nothingness.
	Because when you don't have children and you don't do something important in the world, right?
	Most people, they're not out there writing best-selling books or Having giant YouTube channels or influencing whatever, whatever, right?
	But if you don't have children, almost everything that you are in general will vanish and be forgotten.
	When you don't have children, all the photos you take with your cell phone We'll never be looked at again after you're dead.
	All the pictures, the boxes of pictures, the accumulated pictures and photos, and oh, you saved that receipt from that movie, and you saved that receipt from that play, and you saved that little piece of lace that you were working on once, and one day we're going to finish.
	If you don't have any kids, you know, deep down in your heart, you bury your parents, okay, you'll look at their pictures for a while, you're going to get old.
	And you got these hard drives and flash drives full of photos, all the things you did.
	And you know when you get older and when you die, first of all, who's gonna be there when you go through the process of sinking into death.
	And secondly, think of all the photos, all the photos you've took.
	Nobody will ever look at them again.
	Now, if you have children, People will remember you.
	You will have had an effect into the future pretty much forever.
	It's a butterfly effect.
	You have produced children.
	You have had a massive influence on them.
	That's going to influence their kids.
	It's going to influence everyone they meet.
	You create this wonderful ripple out into the future forever.
	You don't have kids.
	You are a spear dropped from an ancient height, vanishes into the pond, barely a ripple.
	Boink!
	And you're done.
	So, childless women and childless men want their societies to continue.
	They didn't bother themselves to have any children.
	So they advocate for immigrants.
	So that some bodies can be in their houses after they're dead.
	So that they think that they're contributing something to the continuation of their society.
	They're not, I think, in many ways.
	But they didn't have children.
	They want their tribe to continue.
	So they want to import what they did not grow.
	And if that's not allowed...
	It creates a deep and existential pain in the heart of childless people.
	Because they know they haven't fundamentally contributed to the continuance of their tribe.
	They know that no one will remember them.
	They know that their photos will end up reformatted.
	You know, all this work to create and accumulate thousands of photos.
	Format.
	Boom.
	Gone.
	Somebody else will use that hard drive to store photos that will actually be looked at at some point in the future.
	And it would be interesting to me if there were a study done which measured whether people who are happily married, who have more kids, how they feel about immigration versus the people who have no kids or are single or unhappily married.
	Or whether people who tried to have kids but couldn't feel the same about immigration of people who chose not to have kids.
	We all need to contribute to our tribe.
	Because if we don't, there's no tribe.
	Now some people can contribute to the tribe through having children.
	Some people can contribute to the tribe By great works, by inspiration, by storytelling, by songs, by improvements, by technology, by hiring people.
	Everyone, deep down, knows that they have to contribute to the tribe somehow.
	Or they're just kind of hangers-on, they're getting by, they'll be forgotten.
	And it's not something I think a lot of people think about when they're younger, but middle age and afterwards, you start to think about your legacy.
	You do.
	How can I contribute to the tribe?
	I can help the poor!
	But if I actually have to help the poor, that's quite a bit of work.
	So what I can do is I can vote for someone who's going to help the poor.
	Now, it's true my taxes will go up, but of course a lot of women work for the government, so they're fine with taxes going up.
	There's more money for them.
	But it's true my taxes will go up, but I don't have to do anything.
	It's easy legacy.
	It's lazy legacy.
	It's not a legacy.
	It's kind of a curse.
	I'm going to advocate for good things that other people will do.
	That's the virtue signaling.
	I'm going to contribute to my tribe without actually having to go out and do anything and without having to get up early, change diapers and raise children.
	My contribution is going to be empty words and child substitution and weird, vague emotional offense should you question the actual contribution to the tribe that I'm imagining.
	So when you start to take away government programs from people, when you start to question their moral validity, this is what people have founded their sense of value and purpose and worth and contribution.
	This is what they have done with their lives if they've advocated for this stuff and it is bound into their very sense of providing value to the world.
	I Can get rid of government programs.
	From a moral standpoint, intellectually I make that case.
	Because I know that they're interfering with actually doing good in the world.
	I've done so much good in the world.
	I have no need for any governmental substitutes.
	I am a father.
	So I never wake up and say, gee, I wonder if I've contributed to my tribe or the world.
	The tribe is not ethnic.
	Rational people, right?
	I don't ever wonder about the value of Of what I am doing with my life.
	Doesn't mean it can't be better.
	Just saying.
	I never sit there and say, boy, I wish I'd done something with my gifts.
	Boy, that would not have been great.
	No.
	That's not an issue for me.
	So I don't need virtue signaling because I actually have virtue.
	I don't need other people to do stuff because I'm actually doing stuff.
	I don't need any child substitutes.
	I have a child.
	I don't need virtue signaling because Because I have virtue and I'm acting on it.
	I don't need to pretend.
	I don't need for other people to think I'm good because I'm doing good.
	Actually doing good.
	So when you talk to...
	Oh, let's close the borders.
	You're taking away people's foundational sense of what they're contributing to the tribe.
	And for most people in those situations, for a lot of people in those situations, it's too late.
	For them to actually contribute to the tribe, you're taking away their drug of choice.
	Smug, virtuous self-congratulation, I believe, is the most powerful drug.
	Because the people who suffer usually suffer long after you're dead.
	It's really hard to quit heroin when you don't think anyone will suffer.
	And even if people will suffer, they'll suffer after your debt, when the national debt comes due.
	So, the reason why people lash out at you, when you start taking away their moral signaling, their contribution to the tribe, because when you say, the welfare state is bad, They think the welfare state is good and that their advocacy of the welfare state is their contribution to the virtue, to tribe, to memory, to history, to everything.
	You take that away from people?
	It's a Mike Tyson blow to the solar plexus.
	Boom!
	You thought you were contributing, you were corrupting.
	You thought you were doing good, you were doing harm.
	You thought you were helping people, you were harming people.
	You thought you were contributing to the tribe, you were destroying the tribe.
	You gave up kids because you thought you could do good with all this crap.
	Now you don't have the kids, and the good you thought you were doing, which made it okay to not have kids, turns out to be evil.
	Oops!
	Bad scene.
	This is why people fight so ferociously.
	Every good that we're doing displaces other goods we could be doing.
	If I've spent my life virtue signaling and, oh, open the borders and more welfare and free education for everyone and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
	Well...
	Because I've done all of that crap, I haven't done a whole bunch of other stuff.
	So if that crap turns out to be good, there's no backup for me.
	If that stuff turns out to be bad, there's no backup for me.
	You are taking away people's sense of value and contribution.
	And you're not just taking it away, you're reversing it.
	You're saying to them.
	The good that justifies your existence and helps you live with the fact that you didn't have kids and didn't do anything of direct and immediate virtue with your life.
	All the things that make you feel like you're a good person were deceptively implanted in you by power mongers who were using you as useful idiots to grow the state and destroy the future and kill the tribe.
	And you have no kids, and your parents are dying, and no one will ever look at your photos in the future.
	Does that help?
	Oh, yeah, that's some pretty mind-blowing stuff.
	It helps me understand why people lash out the way they do, because it's like their whole sense of self-worth is based on this bastardized sense of compassion.
	And their parental instincts are projected onto the immigrants and the poor and everything.
	And the blacks, for a lot of people too, are the minorities?
	Yeah, minorities.
	And if you try to set them straight and dispense some logic, they can't take it.
	They feel like they're dying, I guess.
	They do.
	And this annihilation panic is what happens when people's core moral beliefs are challenged.
	It is a form of annihilation panic.
	Because remember, our brains are so adept, and I've talked about this in the Gene Wars presentations, our brains are so advanced and adept with concepts that a lot of morality, a lot of concepts are using us to reproduce themselves.
	Jumps from place to place like a cold, like an illness.
	Mm-hmm.
	And collectivism, socialism, state power, pathological altruism, these are viruses within our mind that are attempting to replicate.
	Now, any animal that is faced with the end of its gene pool will react with unbelievable levels of ferocity.
	Collectivism is a virus that uses people to spread, and if you challenge that, collectivism triggers huge levels of rage in the same way a cornered rat will attack a bear.
	It's the end of the meme.
	It's the end of the concept if it's challenged and overthrown.
	So it triggers fight or flight in the host, the parasite of collectivism, the idea of collectivism triggers a fight or flight in the host brain.
	To warn you off from trying to challenge its replication.
	And so once there has been an unconscious identification with any particular group as children, where you're coming between a mama grizzly and her cub, and what does the mama grizzly do?
	Attacks.
	And how?
	Like, they'll fight to the death.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	And it turns out you can't fight a grizzly with graphs.
	Yeah.
	Or reasoned arguments.
	Right?
	It's a very primitive response to a meme or gene-threatening conversation.
	Your children, like, the people who don't have kids...
	They don't know what it's like to be worshipped.
	If you're a good parent, your child will worship you.
	Now, it's hard.
	You can't get that anywhere else.
	That's a singular drug.
	Yeah.
	Now...
	To be worshipped is something that women in particular crave, because if they didn't crave it, they would be bad moms, right?
	You want to be worshipped by your kid.
	You want to make your kid happy.
	You want your kid to light up when you come in the room.
	You want your kid to laugh when you make a joke.
	You want to make your kid happy, right?
	You want to be worshipped.
	So...
	Women...
	Deep down, I believe this.
	I can't prove it.
	I'm just telling it's a theory.
	Women deep down think the migrants will worship them the way kids should.
	Be so grateful.
	I love them.
	Love them.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for letting me into your country.
	Thank you for saving me from the hellhole I came from.
	Thank you for giving me this opportunity.
	We love you.
	What did women hold out for the migrants?
	Candy!
	Candy!
	Candy.
	Which is what you give to children.
	So they'll be loved and people will be grateful and they'll feel maternal.
	And that they have value and they have continued the tribe and they have raised people by importing people.
	Instead of raising children to adulthood, They import people and turn them loose on society.
	Wow.
	I mean, I've watched the presentations on the RNK Selected and is that like a way of just quantifying someone's behavior and like thought process or is that like a real biological hardwiring that some people have?
	I believe it's a real biological hardwiring that seeks to reproduce itself.
	Our selection strategy seeks to alienate fathers from the family, seeks to create a matriarchy, and seeks to create an environment with seemingly infinite resources so it can replicate.
	That's its petri dish.
	That's what it feeds on.
	Meat eaters eat meat and the vegetarians eat plant food, vegetables, right?
	So that's the nutrition.
	The nutrition for the R selected is father absence, seemingly infinite resources, no in-group preference.
	So that's the welfare state, right?
	Get the kids, get the dads away.
	Create seemingly infinite resources.
	That's what's going to recreate.
	That's what most feeds the R selection gene set.
	Whereas case selection gene set, we talked about father absence, father presence, limited resources, high in-group preference, great investment in children, and so on, right?
	And what's always kept that at bay is the fact that children take a lot of resources.
	But with the welfare state, children now become a source of revenue rather than a cost, which is the ultimate R-selected steroid.
	Yeah.
	And the maternal instinct, the desire to have children, children take such an enormous amount of sacrifice.
	Really, I mean, it's incredible.
	And I'm one, right?
	I mean, you get eight kids.
	I mean, your life is just being a mom.
	That's it.
	And that's going to be the case from, you know, biologically, historically, when you're 14 to when you're 45.
	It's 30 years.
	That's most of your life when you're young.
	That's what women are designed for.
	Take kids out of the equation, it's a little...
	We've got to wonder, you know, there's a power vacuum, right?
	Well, there's a child vacuum in the heart of women.
	What rushes in to fill the hearts of women in the absence of children?
	What decisions do women make if they choose not to have children or make stupid life decisions and end up not having children?
	What rushes in to fill?
	Well, projection, sentimentality, and the creation of entire classes of child substitutes.
	Which is why it's as tough to get women to understand that the refugees could be a problem in the same way that it's tough to get a mom to understand that her kid might be a bit of a brat.
	That's my child you're talking about.
	My child is wonderful.
	My child is the smartest.
	My child is the best.
	Whatever, right?
	I mean, they can't see reason.
	Because they're not seeing people.
	They're seeing kids.
	So what You're definitely going above and beyond with creating the Free Domain radio show and your videos on YouTube and everything.
	You're enlightening people everywhere.
	What am I supposed to do?
	How am I supposed to proceed through life with all these people ruining the world around me?
	How am I supposed to deal with that?
	Well, did you, how big was the truth pill you just had to swallow?
	Like in this conversation?
	I mean, it went down pretty easy.
	But it's pretty big, right?
	Oh, for sure.
	Okay, so let that digest before you try and leap into action.
	Because everyone, wow, big truth bomb.
	It's like, okay, now what do I do?
	It's like, well, how about you digest?
	Just mull this stuff over, right?
	I mean, first of all, I can't tell you what to do because the whole point is for you to find motivation within yourself.
	Let's say I said, well, go and do an X, right?
	Well, if it's not organic within you, it's not going to be sustainable.
	So just absorb and process and mull things over.
	Have more of these conversations.
	Test this theory.
	Maybe it's true.
	Maybe it's not.
	Maybe there's other things.
	Call back if you've got more information.
	But this what-should-I-do stuff?
	Don't give me that.
	Don't give me that.
	Nobody told me.
	Nobody told me.
	And I'm not going to tell you.
	Okay.
	I didn't mean it in a super specific way, but I get what you're saying, though.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Will you give it a try?
	Just have these conversations and just notice people and see if they...
	Do they have kids?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, when you were talking to me about that, and I thought back to the people I talked to, like the first three examples that popped in my head are women.
	And they don't have – they're like in their mid to late 20s, and they don't have kids.
	Right.
	So already they're not going to have a lot of kids, right?
	Yeah.
	So yeah, just something to mull over.
	What do you contribute to your tribe if you don't even have children?
	And you don't do big, virtuous things in society.
	Again, people can choose not to have kids.
	Again, I want to say, you gotta have kids.
	I mean, I think people, it's good to have kids.
	I think it's great.
	We're all alive because someone made that choice.
	So it's kind of tough to wriggle out of that basic reality.
	But what do you do if you want to contribute to the tribe, but you're really, really lazy?
	You vote Democrat.
	You pick a substitute and you virtue signal.
	And then you get really, really ferocious with anyone who tries to take away that bullshit drug from you, right?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	All right, I'm going to move on to the next caller, but I really, really appreciated the question.
	I mean, I think it produced some stuff that I think will be very helpful to people.
	And listen, let us know.
	You know, this is a hypothesis, right?
	I mean, this is not like, I don't have any ironclad studies on this, but, you know, people can let me know in the comments below, in the video, whatever, but just, you know, let us know what you think.
	Put out the experiment, and we'll see if we can gather some data, even though it will still largely be anecdotal.
	Better than nothing, right?
	Yeah.
	Thank you so much for taking the time, like you, for, you know, explaining all this to me.
	Like, you know, I definitely got a lot out of this.
	Great, Anson, I appreciate you calling in.
	All right.
	Who's up next?
	Alright, up next is Alexander.
	Alexander wrote in and said, It will make no difference to the British sovereignty either way and distracts the population from a basic underlying reality.
	There is no way to influence an undemocratic institution by public vote.
	How should we conduct ourselves in the public life of a society which believes itself to be democratic, but whose every spasm of ideological posturing essentially masks the fact that we live in a benign, That's from Alexander.
	Well, hello.
	How are you doing?
	Hello.
	Hello.
	How are you?
	I'm well.
	I feel like you've seen too much.
	You know, like you've really been in the belly of the beast there, right?
	The more you see, the less you understand.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, you're sort of like the...
	What is it Paul McCartney used to say?
	That if slaughterhouses had glass walls, everybody would be a vegetarian.
	I mean, you have seen, you know, UK Parliament, especially the European Parliament in Brussels, which seems a particularly caligula fest of irresponsibility and three-day weekends and no accountability to anyone.
	I mean, that's a real belly-of-the-beast situation, right?
	Well, yes, I suppose in a way it is.
	And also, you get the sense of frustration being there that...
	In spite of the fact you're in the belly of the beast, there's very little you can do, very little you can do to analyze what's going on and influence anything.
	I wonder if I could perhaps slightly clarify a bit on the wording of the question.
	I think I use the word dictatorship, plutocratic dictatorship.
	I think dictatorship, at least in British English, It was the idea of a type of tyranny, perhaps linked with a personality cult, which isn't true at all for the EU. The European Union is governed by, well, I suppose principally the European Commission, which is staffed by highly intelligent, very well-educated and very competent civil servants.
	But, well, they are.
	They are pretty...
	They're pretty good at a lot of what they do.
	There's a lot of internal...
	You mean...
	Sorry to take an extreme example.
	Well, a lot of concentration camps are staffed by very intelligent and competent people, but what they're competent at is pretty horrible.
	Yes.
	Well, a lot of...
	I think that's a...
	They have mostly good intentions, I think, but there's so much internal discord.
	I think one of the things which actually prevents it from becoming a tyranny, one of the reasons I don't think it can become a tyranny, at least in its present manifestation, is that there's so much dissent within the management.
	They can't actually decide which way to pull it a lot of the time.
	I can give an example of this.
	I think there's a platitude which is...
	banded around.
	Of course, this is for perhaps your American listeners, this is particularly pertinent at the moment because of the Brexit debate.
	But there's a platitude that the European Union, of course, is undemocratic.
	And I'm not quite sure to what extent the British voters actually really believe this is true.
	It really is completely disconnected from any lever of power, Anyone you vote for, they have a democratically elected parliament, but it's disconnected from every lever of power.
	And I've been in a position before in which a member of the commission or a commissioner's staff has approached me to lobby the parliament in order to lobby the commission back to itself, if you see what I mean.
	I don't, but can you take another run at it?
	Yeah, of course.
	Sorry, 4am.
	Oh no, it might be me, so don't worry about that.
	No, it's me.
	It's entirely me.
	I worked in the European Parliament for an opposition.
	And I found myself in a position in which sometimes a commissioner...
	Or Commissioner's staff, I should say, disagreed with what another department within the Commission wanted to do, with legislation the Commission wanted to propose.
	So he'd call me at my desk and I'd meet him in a cafe and he'd pass me a brown envelope full of information basically saying this is how you attack this proposal.
	So you take this into the Parliament and you feed it to MEPs and they will Attempt to stop it from coming through.
	So you get one department within the commission working against another department, because one part of the commission might have a special interest, which another part...
	Oh yeah, I mean, Yes Minister is obviously a famous show that deals with this in horribly gruesome but funny detail, with the degree of infighting and bureaucratic manipulation.
	As I remember...
	Yes, yes.
	I think Yes Minister, that show pertained mostly to To the situation in Whitehall, between Whitehall and the government.
	And I think there's probably a kernel of truth in some of the farce in that.
	Especially with the referendum coming up, I'm not entirely sure by what mechanism we can detach ourselves very quickly from this.
	Oh, sorry.
	It's not going to be quick.
	And if the Brexit vote were to go to leaving, without a doubt, Alexander, the European Union would try to make it as ugly and difficult a process as humanly possible in order to discourage anybody else who might want to get off the Titanic as well, right?
	Yes.
	Yes, exactly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You know, but I wonder, because of course you're a philosopher, so you have a particular angle on this.
	I think it was Plato who said that democracy itself isn't a particularly good form of government.
	And so my issue with the EU isn't so much that it's not democratic, because it's not, but my issue is it makes up rules as it goes along in order to In order to perpetuate its own existence.
	It has no particular constitution, has no particular parameters within which it will keep its legislative process contained in the interests of the people.
	So it follows It follows just its own whim.
	It makes up the rules as it goes along.
	And so I wonder if there's such a thing as a more benign, as we live in a fairly benign, if I'm allowed to call it that, a plutocratic dictatorship, how does one conduct oneself?
	There's nothing I'm not sure that the lobbyists, for example, we have civil society sends lobbyists to the European Parliament, apparently unaware that the Parliament doesn't really affect very much.
	They should lobby the Commission, but of course the media don't report what goes on in the Commission because you don't report what goes on behind closed doors.
	So there's very little coverage of what really matters.
	But at the same time, I can understand the sentiment of the people who are going to vote to remain in, because I think that Britain, and perhaps it's the same in North America and Canada as well, a lot of the British, they exist on very thin lines of credit,
	and if the interest rates move just a little bit, Anyone who has a mortgage or a credit card or depends upon a company which is perhaps propped up by an environment conditioned by years of protective legislation.
	Oh, no, I get all of that.
	But look, I mean, the people who are going to make a moral decision around voting, like it's a moral decision around voting for Brexit.
	People who are going to say, well, the interest rates will do this or the balance of trade will do that.
	I mean, it's all nonsense.
	We don't make moral decisions based upon forecasted interest rates.
	I got to remember the abolitionists trying to end slavery saying, well, I'm not imitating you here, but saying, well, you see, what we have to do is try and figure out what the market of labor is going to be for cotton picking in 25 or 30 euros.
	I mean, that's not how you do it.
	It's not how you make a moral decision.
	You say, is it right or is it wrong?
	And if it's right, then you do it.
	And if it's wrong, then you don't do it.
	But this idea that you can somehow Figure out what the interest rates or the balance of trade payments or what that's going to be like in 5 or 10 years.
	Can you imagine the founding father saying, well, you know, we really want to get away from this corrupt King George, but first we're going to need a feasibility study on what the economy is going to look like in 5 or 10 or 15 years.
	It's like, nope, they had a goal which was to reduce the size and power of government manipulation and control over their lives.
	That was their goal.
	And the idea that...
	Because I looked up some of this stuff because I was thinking of doing another Brexit presentation.
	But the reality is that it's all made up.
	I mean, you go, oh, it's going to be wonderful.
	Oh, it's going to be terrible.
	I mean, just based upon prejudice or based upon particularly usually underreported self-interest or whatever.
	So when it comes to Brexit, the question is...
	Can you reduce the size, scope, and power of the state in your life?
	Well, of course, if you vote to leave, then yes.
	Yes, you can.
	Because it's not like they reduced the British government an enormous amount when they added the European layer on top, right?
	Well, yes, certainly not, yes.
	So you've got British government plus European government.
	Which is a double whammy.
	Would you like to get hit once or twice?
	Oh, and by the way, the second hit is a lot harder.
	Well, no, I think I'd rather get hit once.
	So the idea that with a particular vote, you can take out the entire layer of European, tyrannical, manipulative, self-interested, unaccountable government.
	Boom!
	Gone!
	I mean, go to people who are really interested in states' rights and say, hey, in a checkbox, you can virtually eliminate federal government control over your state.
	What do you think they'd say?
	Hell yeah!
	Because they're the new King George, except closer and bigger and better armed.
	So with the Brexit thing, it's just, well, can you take out an entire layer of government control over your lives?
	Without having to have a revolution, a little checkbox.
	Well, good!
	Then do it!
	But the idea that, you know, I mean, some people will try and guess what the interest rates will do.
	Nobody knows.
	Nobody knows.
	Anybody who knows could make a complete fortune, and nobody knows.
	Yes, and in terms of the weight of legislation that flows from Europe, you can certainly start to plug the dam.
	Even then, it would take a while.
	I think we have a lot of running dogs in Whitehall who will continue to take instructions from Brussels.
	We have people probably in the direct employ of Brussels sitting in Whitehall right now.
	And there might have to be some sort of, I don't know, an operation to remove these people bit by bit.
	But yeah, I mean a heck of a lot of legislation, domestic legislation in Britain rests upon what has been coming out of Brussels since 1973.
	And do you know how European law is passed into British law?
	They do it by amending secondary legislation quite a lot of the time.
	And any legal textbook will tell you that if you amend a statutory instrument or something like that, the amendment has to be laid before Parliament and the Parliament can then pray it down if they want.
	But in practice, this very seldom happens.
	I think it happened last in about 2001, and you might get dozens of these things going through in a month or even a week.
	And so there's certainly less and less power now within the parliament, and it's gone to the civil service.
	And I wonder to what extent our elected leaders can pull back power from the civil service.
	I think what it comes down to is the relationship between the legislature and the executive.
	In Britain.
	You're like the least inspiring revolutionary I've ever heard in my life, man.
	Oh, my God.
	Can you just get some balls and passion behind, well, I don't know about this.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	But here's a chance for a huge layer of government to be potentially pushed back.
	Yes.
	A chance!
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	Listen, if they don't vote to leave, it sure ain't going anywhere.
	And if they vote to leave, let's say there's only a 10% chance it diminishes enormously.
	Well, that's a pretty good payoff for five seconds in a voting booth.
	I think the really exciting thing about it actually is that right now we have looming before us the spectacle of a wealthy nation, Britain, which might actually vote to remain in.
	While we have poorer countries like, I don't know, Hungary and Poland and, you know, very nearly Austria recently, Who are actually pioneering various courses toward freedom.
	And, you know, people might argue they're much less, much worse equipped to do this because, I don't know, they're economically more fragile, they're landlocked.
	Some of them, they're surrounded by countries which perhaps don't share their cultural outlook necessarily.
	And I think if we do vote to leave, we could really put the...
	Well, it would certainly inspire them much more.
	No, none of these things.
	The reason that...
	They don't want to be in or want to leave.
	In general, I'm talking about the Eastern European countries.
	Of course, they have a lot of experience with external domination in the form of the USSR, in the form of, if you go back further historically, the Nazis, if you go back further historically, the Ottomans, the Turks.
	I mean, again, this is a big scattershot, but there have been Muslim occupation of those countries.
	And they're not decadent.
	You know, they're not big, lazy, virtue-signaling, aren't we great, aren't we wonderful, we have all these infinite resources, so it would be churlish to not hand them out to poor and migrants and immigrants, right?
	They're just, they have an in-group preference, they have a historical skepticism of external power, and they know how fragile their freedoms are, and so they're not going to screw around with them in the way that the virtue-signaling Western European powers seem to be.
	So it's a whole different stage of civilization for them.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I think you can see the collapse of the union in the fact that they've now backed down in the face of, remember when Hungary stuck up that wall, I think it was about a year ago, and everyone in Brussels was completely ballistic.
	You don't hear about it now.
	They don't care anymore.
	I think Germany are talking about a wall on their southern border.
	They've closed the Brunner Pass and that sort of thing.
	You can tell this is the collapse of the union because it's their apathy.
	They can't stop.
	Well, they don't want to remind people that Hungary put up a wall because that's going to be like, oh, we can do that?
	Okay, let's do that.
	It's now just become like, I hope nobody looks at Hungary in a wall.
	They can't afford not to allow people to put up walls if they want, I reckon.
	That's one thing.
	Yeah.
	And there's going to need to be a sanctuary place for some Europeans to go to.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Yeah, what's so annoying about the Europeans is that they can see economic sense.
	They can see a sensible thing to do if someone is threatening to break off.
	I mean, I remember so much legislation which had exceptions for, for example, the Azores Highlands and Madeira and things like that.
	So territories, I know French Guyana, and things like that.
	Territories which are on the periphery, which could go the way of, what's it called, Greenland.
	Which could break off.
	So as soon as somebody's looking like they might leave, they start to get a better deal.
	Yeah, but that kind of brinksmanship.
	Who wants to stay married to a woman that you have to threaten to leave her just to get a decent word out of her?
	It's a hostage situation.
	It's not sustainable.
	And back to Yes Minister, all of this stuff is perfectly predicted in Yes Minister.
	There's ridiculous amounts of...
	Regulation, hyper-regulation.
	I mean, you have to call sausages offal tubes or something.
	Like, it was just, it was all well known.
	This is all the same usual collectivist nonsense that has been going on since the dawn of time, where, you know, we're just, we're one more bureaucratic layer away from paradise.
	And a big, a big giant mess.
	And Europe is tragically, like a lot of cultures, have had to have their never again moment, right?
	Where we just say, okay, things got so unbelievably bad that anybody who suggests that for the next thousand years is going to be roundly mocked and ostracized.
	And unfortunately, because we've lost the capacity to listen to reason and evidence, I've got this presentation called The Death of Reason about that, because we've lost the ability to listen to reason and evidence in general, Europeans are going to have to learn from unbelievably brutal experiences.
	And it's a shame, but, you know, the doctor can only say you need to lose weight and exercise.
	They can't force you to do it.
	And if it takes the heart attack for you to reform, well, maybe you'll listen better next time.
	That's, you know, where a lot of things I think are with regards to Europe.
	I'm not like I know that some people like Milo was saying, like, Europe is done and Europe is history and Europe is never going to recover and all that.
	I have a slightly different take on that, but that may be because I haven't been there for a while.
	But sorry, go ahead.
	Yeah, well, it's going to it's going to fragment back into its constituent parts.
	And you can see it already.
	Regardless of how we vote, this is kind of the way things are going.
	You can see that there's this rise of frustration, which is taking hold in Italy, I think, Germany.
	And, you know, it's all across the continent.
	People are now saying things which they wouldn't have said a year ago about, OK, let's...
	Reconsider especially things which arise from this crisis of migrants.
	It's not being accepted in the way it was a year ago.
	And that's certainly true.
	And I think the referendum is almost a symptom of the collapse rather than likely to be a court.
	If we vote in, then, I mean, what the government are looking for, I think, is a mandate to continue this unaudited spree of destruction and to help crush the, well, I shouldn't say crush the press, perhaps, the less economically powerful countries.
	If we give them that mandate, they'll take it and we'll have to watch this shrieking diva shout herself hoarse and collapse in the limelight.
	But perhaps we can cut the swan song short a little.
	By getting out.
	That's my hope.
	Getting out is just going to be the beginning of the process.
	The migrant crisis is going to be the end of the welfare state in one form or another, in my particular opinion, just because math.
	The welfare state has been a disaster all around, and it's not something that has been able to be I've been arguing against it for over 30 years.
	So the welfare state is not something where people listen to reason, so they're just going to have to listen to experience.
	And it's going to be unpleasant and it's going to be ugly, but the welfare state can't survive the migrant crisis, in my opinion.
	Now, if immigration or migration can be controlled to the point where there can be a softer landing for the welfare state, the welfare state can't survive math at all, right, no matter what.
	And so, this massive, disastrous half-century experiment of the welfare state, which has been tried in England before, Spenumland is something worth looking up and destroyed the economy for hundreds of years in certain sections of England.
	The welfare state or unjust spoils and gains was tried when...
	The Spanish government sent over the conquistadors and the new world brought back huge amounts of gold which made them fantastically pseudo-rich for a little while and then destroyed the Spanish economy for about 400 years.
	Now we don't have to have those kinds of lags because we've got better communications technology now but the welfare state as a whole has attracted the migrants, is enabling the migrant crisis and the migrants will most likely take it down just in terms of numbers and taxpayers and so on.
	So some control over the borders We'll help extend that.
	But certainly, British people who live in England, of all ethnicities, should have more of a say in who comes into the country.
	That's just reality.
	Yeah, in a free country, who cares?
	But it's not a free country.
	If people are going to come and live in your house, well, it's okay to vet them at the door.
	I'm going to move on to the next call-up, but I appreciate the question.
	We'll see what happens.
	To me, as a philosopher, you can't lose.
	Let's say there's a massive vote for Brexit.
	But Brexit doesn't happen, well, then people will recognize that democracy is a sham.
	Okay, well, then they'll start looking for alternatives.
	If they vote to stay and nothing happens, then, well, it's a continuation of the same crap.
	So I know I'm going to be right in the long run.
	I mean, I have no doubt about that whatsoever.
	It's just a matter of how long it takes for people to acknowledge it and how much authority I'm going to have after a crisis because I predicted it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Stefan, thank you so much for your show, by the way.
	It's really, it's great.
	And it's listened to, I'm sure, if you see the sort of IP addresses hitting on your website from around the world, you'll see a lot from Westminster and Brussels and that.
	Oh, yes.
	No, I think we've done some real good.
	Yeah, we've done some real good in helping to push this.
	I'm going to leave everyone with a couple of quotes from Mencken.
	Yeah.
	Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
	No one in this world, so far as I know, and I have researched the records for years and employed agents to help me, no one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people, nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
	He also said, democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
	And he also said, the government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me.
	They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of governments.
	They have only a talent for getting and holding office.
	Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can't get and to promise to give it to them.
	Nine times out of ten, that promise is worth nothing.
	The tenth time, it is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in a pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods.
	And the last one, which is from Orwell, the further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it, which is a social justice warrior in a nutshell.
	All right.
	Thanks, Alexander.
	Great chat, and let's move on.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay, up next is Michael.
	Michael wrote in and said, Where does the ignorance of society stem from?
	Why is Generation Y a leading scapegoat for a lazy society?
	Why isn't the parenting style of the generation before me, the people in charge of our failing country, to blame for the wise supposed entitlement?
	That is from Michael.
	Is there anything else you wanted to add to the question?
	Uh...
	Hmm...
	Well, it goes on to like, I would say parenting styles and how our generation is evolving.
	So I believe with each generation, people are getting smaller, or not smaller, smarter and smarter.
	So I believe that old parenting styles such as spanking and ridicule and that kind of stuff are outdated.
	It doesn't teach The right way.
	And I just recently read your On Truth, the tyranny of illusion, and I agreed a lot with what you had to say about parenting and stuff like that.
	So that's what I wanted to add on to that.
	Well, for a lot of generations, particularly in the West, a lot of generations Are like really immature potters.
	Right?
	So a potter, you know, gets the clay and puts the clay on the wheel and listens to unchained melody and, you know, spins the wheel and they shape what they shape and they make what they make and then they harden it and they glaze it and they paint it and so on.
	And they put all this work into shaping the clay and producing something.
	And then what happens is they look at this thing and they say, damn, that's butt ugly.
	That's terrible.
	I can't believe...
	Like, what is wrong with that clay?
	I can't believe it.
	It's terrible.
	And somehow they hope that no one's going to notice that they're the ponder.
	Like, they distance themselves from what they've created and criticize it as if they had nothing whatsoever to do with its creation.
	So the elder generation...
	Supports or sets up things like the welfare state and government schools and public sector unions and massive national debts and, God knows, terrible immigration policies or whatever, and lie about race differences and ethnic differences and gender differences and just...
	Do all the crap that creates a really warped environment for children to grow up with and praises single motherhood and, you know, attacks white males for being white males and setups a terrible divorce system, alimony and child support and, oh God, it's terrible.
	So they set up all of this wildly unnatural stuff for children to grow up in.
	They drug children.
	For failing to pay attention to watching the paint dry of modern government education, which is actually an insult to paint drying, which at least doesn't punish you for not paying attention.
	Boys are broken girls and we're going to drug them.
	They're just insane stuff.
	Insane, terrible, wretched stuff around a lot in society.
	And then the kids grow up.
	The kids grow up and what happens?
	Well, these kids, they seem strangely apathetic.
	They seem somewhat entitled.
	They say, well, they were raised by government teachers who couldn't be fired.
	And then you complain that the children seem entitled.
	Dear God, you put people in charge of educating your children who can't be fired.
	And who are not at all responsive to the children.
	Kids hate this teacher.
	What can they do?
	Nothing.
	Hate a restaurant?
	You don't go.
	They don't get your money.
	Hate the teacher?
	They get paid.
	You can't get them fired and your kids have to go in many places.
	So they put kids in these terrible situations, these terrible family structures, and they lie.
	It's not the terribleness, it's the lying.
	It's the lying.
	Single moms suck in general.
	You know, it's a system that's set up, and I can understand why they do what they do, and there's a lot of irresponsibility in the world, and people don't have the proper signals from society or ethics or economics, basic economics, so I get it.
	But, oh, single moms are heroes, and, you know, the man just left her, and it wasn't her fault, and all right, she had no choice, and couldn't choose.
	And it's just the lying.
	You know, people can say, well, yeah, government schools suck, we inherited them, we had to go, and damned if you're going to get away with it, we're certainly not going to try and oppose it or fight it, because, you know...
	It's a lot of work, and it's difficult.
	Okay, then say that.
	But, oh, you know, teachers are heroes, and they work so hard for the children, and we just want the children to be educated.
	That's why they're government school.
	So it's just, it's not the, ah, there's a great, you know, why don't you see if I can look this up.
	There is a great speech by one of the greatest 20th century playwrights, Tennessee Williams.
	I can't believe only one person noticed that in my recent Liberal Hypocrites video.
	Let me see if I can look it up, because it's a great speech.
	I would love to hear it.
	Ah, here it is.
	So this is from Cat in a Hot Tin Roof.
	This is Brick, who's a young man, who's kind of aimless and a drunk, and his father named Big Daddy.
	Big Daddy's trying to figure out why Brick drinks.
	And Brick says, Have you ever heard the word mendacity?
	And Big Daddy says, Sure.
	Mendacity is one of them $5 words that cheap politicians throw back and forth at each other.
	Brick says, You know what it means?
	Big Daddy says, Don't it mean lying and liars?
	Yes, sir.
	Lying and liars.
	And Big Daddy says...
	Has someone been lying to you?
	Then they get interrupted by a bunch of kids from a relative named Gooper.
	When they get rid of that interruption, Big Daddy says, Who's been lying to you?
	Has Margaret been lying to you?
	Has your wife been lying to you about something, Brick?
	Not her, says Brick.
	That wouldn't matter.
	Then who's been lying to you?
	And about what?
	Brick says, Not one single person and no one lie.
	Big Sad Daddy says, Then what?
	What then, for Christ's sake?
	Brick says, the whole, the whole...
	thing.
	Big Daddy says, why are you rubbing your head?
	You got a headache?
	Brick says, no, I'm...
	I'm trying to...
	Concentrate, says Big Daddy, but you can't because your brain's all soaked with liquor.
	Is that the trouble, wet brain?
	He snatches the glass from Brick's hand.
	What do you know about this mendacity thing?
	Hell, I could write a book in it.
	Don't you know that?
	I could write a book in it and still not cover the subject.
	Well, I could.
	I could write a goddamn book in it and still not cover the subject anywhere near enough.
	Think of all the lies I gotta put up with.
	Pretenses ain't that mendacity?
	Having to pretend stuff you don't think or feel or have any idea of?
	Having, for instance, to act like I care for big mama?
	I haven't been able to stand the sight, sound or smell of that woman for 40 years now, even when I screwed her regular as a piston.
	Pretend to love that son of a bitch of a gooper and his wife May and those five same screeches out there like parrots in a jungle?
	Jesus!
	Can't stand to look at him.
	Church!
	Bars the bejesus out of me.
	But I go, I go and sit there and listen to the fool preacher.
	Clubs!
	Elks!
	Masons!
	Rotary!
	In spasm of pain, makes him clutch his belly.
	He sinks into a chair, his voice is softer and hoarser.
	I've lived with mendacity.
	Why can't you live with it?
	Hell, you got to live with it.
	There's nothing else to live with except mendacity, is there?
	And Brick says, yes sir, yes sir, there is something else that you can live with.
	What?
	Brick lifts his glass.
	This.
	Liquor.
	Big Daddy says, that's not living, that's dodging away from life.
	Brick says, I want to dodge away from it.
	Big Daddy says, and why don't you kill yourself, man?
	Brick says, I like to drink.
	So, I mean, it's worth seeing the play or reading the play.
	But mendacity.
	Mendacity is a word that's very, very powerful in this.
	And the mendacity is the fakeness.
	It's not the fact that things are bad.
	It's that people fake that they're good.
	And this mendacity is something that the young man sort of rails against.
	And I kind of really, I really sort of understand that.
	Just how annoying and frustrating it is when you live in a society that is worshiping falsehood and elevating falsehood to truth and virtue.
	Falsehood and mendacity to truth and virtue.
	If you watch it, there's a very good version with Elizabeth Taylor and Paul Newman that's worth checking out.
	And while you're at it, while you're at it, The Glass Menagerie, With Joanne Woodward and John Malkovich.
	It's also worth checking out.
	I think Paul Newman directed that.
	And it's pretty good.
	It's pretty good.
	Anyway, Tennessee Williams.
	Streetcar Named Desire with the original with Brando.
	I mean, it's feral and ferocious and powerful.
	That is...
	I mean, Tennessee Williams, I'm just obviously a big fan.
	So yeah, so the elder generation set up or allowed to continue to exist or refuse to fight terrible systems in society that warp the minds and souls of children and then complain that the children just seem X, Y, or Z, like the potter didn't have any hand in the pottery.
	Why can't we strive to be better than our parents?
	What did they do to not let us progress farther?
	What do you mean?
	Come on, there's tough questions.
	This isn't one of them.
	I mean, our parents...
	Grew up and were launched into their careers at a time of huge economic freedom relative to today.
	Regulations were way lower.
	Taxes were way lower.
	The government wasn't hoovering up as much money to pay off interest on the national debt.
	There weren't as many bureaucracies and there wasn't just, I mean, the OSHA and the EPA. I mean, all of the regulatory burdens and red tape and so on.
	Our parents, they kind of hit the economy without all of that stuff, or at least without as nearly as much of it as there is now.
	So with debt and interest payments, the government printing money like crazy and inflation, I mean, and all of the red tape and taxes, I mean, it's really, really hard to get ahead.
	And, you know, there was more of a monoculture.
	In the post-war period, I mean, what was it, in the early 80s, 4% of America was Hispanic.
	Now it's 17%.
	That's expensive, right, to serve up a whole bunch of government services in two languages or more and to have, you know, questionable compatibilities in certain cultures and so on.
	So, yeah, I mean, it was a lot easier to figure this out.
	Okay.
	I get that.
	It was a lot easier for them because they didn't have all the restrictions that was set in place after the fact.
	Yeah, have you never heard of Old Economy Steve?
	I have not.
	Okay, okay, well.
	So you can go to quickmean.com slash oldeconomysteve.
	And it's a picture of a guy in the sort of late 60s, early 70s, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And at the top it says, fails out of high school.
	And underneath it says, gets job, buys house, retires happy.
	Fails out of high school, gets job, buys house, retires happy.
	Here's another one.
	Finds entry-level job.
	Requires zero years of experience.
	Right?
	Because there was a big demand.
	Receives entry-level position after high school.
	Works up the ladder to CEO. Okay.
	And let's see here.
	Oh, yeah.
	He says, Gen Y are slackers.
	He himself did LSD in high school, got diploma, union job, easily supported four kids and a wife who never worked, then retired with a pension.
	Or he says, when I was in college, my summer job paid the tuition.
	Yeah, tuition was $400.
	He bought a house in his 20s with a 9-to-5 job that didn't require a bachelor's degree.
	Kids these days have it easy, he says.
	This Old Economy Steve has it better than his parents and his kids.
	Old Economy Steve works one minimum wage hour, buys four gallons of gas.
	Anyway, it's...
	Or just retires.
	It just retires it all.
	Types with one finger, makes six figures.
	Or what I was saying, complains about the next generation, raise the next generation.
	Or how about this one?
	Old Economy Steve, loses job, finds another one on the way home.
	Old Economy Steve, pays into Social Security, actually receives benefits.
	He goes to law school and pays his student loans with his very first paycheck.
	And like, speaking of the college thing, it's like, Nowadays, it more sets people apart in my generation.
	If you don't go to college and you make a job right out of high school, then everybody that goes to college and does all these useless degrees that are not going to even benefit them in life.
	Like artsy liberal degrees.
	And it seems like everybody condemns being janitors and stuff.
	Like, you...
	Those jobs have to be filled, yet they're putting so much negative karma going.
	It's not negative karma, like negative attitudes towards jobs like that because, oh, you have to go to college and get an degree.
	Well, I believe getting a college degree and furthering your education is good, but why do it for these people?
	Degrees that won't even benefit you, and you won't even be able to pay off your student loan.
	Nah, you gotta be sensible with your degrees.
	Can I give you another old economy, Steve?
	Go for it.
	Gets to the airport 10 minutes before departure.
	Welcome aboard, sir!
	Ah...
	At my first job, I only made $15,000 a year.
	In 1979, that was the equivalent of $47,000.
	Ah...
	He had no prior experience, but they took a chance on him.
	There was one job I saw.
	It was an entry-level job that required seven years of experience for a straight-out-of-college job.
	I don't even understand the thought process behind it.
	There's no logical reasoning behind any of it.
	And...
	There's parasites and lazy people of all generations, yet now our generation gets, you know, there's the greater good from berkeley.edu.
	They've been called ungrateful, narcissistic, and entitled.
	That's called projection, right?
	I mean, if you're entitled, it means you want things that you haven't earned that other people have to pay for.
	That's called the national debt.
	I mean, how on earth are the boomers not entitled if they wanted a whole bunch of free stuff and handing the bill to their kids?
	Here's another one.
	The last one I'll give you.
	You can do these all day.
	Old Economy Steve buys car, toaster, vacuum cleaner in 1978.
	Everything still works.
	Anyway.
	There you go, Peter.
	So, yeah, I just wanted to mention.
	So, it is a...
	It is a challenge for kids these days.
	I mean, you were handed both a positive and a negative situation.
	I think parenting has improved over time, but it is a big mess.
	You know, and it's funny because I was thinking about how just the other day...
	So looking at my own wage history, I could sort of get a sense of a feel when it began to peak.
	And it wasn't because I wasn't learning more or doing better.
	It's just, and I think it was looking at these waves in the IT field of just the H-1B visas or whatever the equivalents are of just people coming in and coming in and coming in.
	And this is why tech companies tend to be so statist.
	You know, you think tech companies would be like super Peter Thiel style, thanks Peter, libertarian.
	But, of course, they're really wedded to state power because they want these people to come in and displace local workers because local workers will compete.
	You've got to compete with them for jobs.
	You get these people tied into their jobs through these visas.
	They can't quit.
	They can't really negotiate.
	It's hard.
	So, I mean, lawyers, too.
	It used to be lawyers.
	You go and, you know, basically make a lot of money as a lawyer, and now significant numbers of lawyers can't even find work in their old field.
	Even though they've got $100,000 in student debt, they're probably never going to be able to pay off.
	The extended adolescence, because the baby boomers were like toddlers with the finances of the country, no one can ever grow up now, right?
	Which is why you go to school forever.
	I was raring to go out in life when I was like 14 or 15.
	But now you have to stay in school forever and then you can't move out of your own parents' home because you can't afford your own place.
	Teenage years just go on and on forever and that's pretty crippling because the later you start your life, the fewer kids you have and therefore the more immigrants you need according to some theories.
	So yeah, it's a big giant mess.
	But yeah, the boomers, I've done a couple of videos on the baby boomers which people can find on my channel.
	But yeah, they've got some mirrors to look into.
	Hypocrisy.
	How can you expect somebody to take you seriously?
	When you, oh, don't do this, don't do that, or don't smoke, don't drink.
	Yeah, they smoke and drink.
	Well, no, because smoking and, no, smoking, it's, no, that's too nice an analogy, because smoking and drinking only affects you, your body, fundamentally, right?
	Smoking, obviously, a little bit of secondhand or whatever.
	But these guys just raped the economy dry.
	Like, they did not resist the power of the state when it was first beginning to grow, and that's when you really want to Do it, right?
	I mean, you want to push back before it gets entrenched.
	They wanted all this free stuff.
	They wanted all this virtue signaling.
	And they did not want to pay the bills for what they wanted.
	And that, to me, is a pretty unforgivable sin as a whole.
	Now, of course, the honorable thing to do would be to say, well, you know, there's no money in Social Security.
	It's unfair for the kids to pay it, so we ain't going to take our benefits.
	But, of course, that's not going to happen.
	That would be the honorable thing to do.
	To boycott that which was pillaging of the younger generation.
	There's no money in retirement plans.
	It's just a Ponzi scheme for the...
	To transfer money from younger and poorer people to older and richer people, I mean, it really is repulsive.
	But, you know, because they, you know, and, you know, hey, it's pretty easy to make money when your house goes up four times in value for no particular reason.
	And this is another reason, you know, another reason why people like immigration is it props up the value of housing.
	Because when you have a below replacement level rate, then what happens is the price of housing is going to collapse.
	And a lot of people who are older want immigrants to come in to drive up the demand for housing so that they keep their values up.
	I mean, the degree of predation from the boomers on the younger generations is reprehensible, vampiric and unforgivable, in my opinion.
	I appreciate the cost.
	Appreciate the questions.
	Thanks everyone so much for being part of this, the most exciting conversation in the world today and perhaps for all time because there will never be a moment, a challenge, a set of convergences that we can affect as of right now.
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