3309 Hispanics 4 Donald Trump - Call In Show - June 1st, 2016
Question 1: [1:43] - "I feel like an alien in my Anti-Donald Trump Hispanic group of family and friends. Where do I fit in when I'm a Hispanic who supports Donald Trump, doesn't support socialist programs, doesn't approve of illegal immigration or opening our borders during the migrant crisis? Question 2: [1:46:55] - “I like you am not a fan of governments/the state. However, I am also not a fan of the private sector, because part of the reason why the U.S government is so corrupt is because of special interests in the private sector. I understand in terms of efficiency, but in terms of morality and justice, why should the private sector be trusted over the state?”Question 3: [2:25:20] - “I am a genuinely attractive professional 43-year-old male dating in a major U.S. coastal city and have never been close to engagement - much less marriage. My experience with single women in my target age range has been that they only to date men out of their league that just use them for a short term fling and move on. This leaves me with an ethical quandary: do I remain celibate and alone for years at a time until I connect with someone with long-term potential or continue preying on unrealistic women and then dumping them when they demand a serious commitment?”Freedomain Radio is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by signing up for a monthly subscription or making a one time donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate
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So here, I had a long and great conversation with a Hispanic Trump supporter who feels, I guess you could say, just a little alienated from his friends and family because of his support for Trump.
And, you know, everyone's always saying, let's have an honest conversation about race.
Well, stuff got real, and it was really illuminating, and I really thank him for his honesty and courage for calling in.
A great conversation.
Number two, you ever notice that people sometimes can be a little bit afraid of and suspicious of corporations and seem to trust the government a little more?
Well, the caller said, well, why should I trust the private sector over the government?
Aren't corporations corrupt as well?
And that was a great question.
Last caller, a patient's test, I guess you could say.
I'm not sure I succeeded.
His argument was that modern women are bad and that's why he's not married in his early 40s.
Well, let's just say we may have unpacked some things that might not be entirely the fault of women.
So I'm an equal opportunity holder of people to moral agency.
So that was very interesting.
How you can get a great partner was discussed as well.
So I hope you'll find that helpful.
Here we go.
Alright, up first we have Edward.
Edward wrote in and said, Where do I fit in when I'm a Hispanic who supports Donald Trump, doesn't support socialist programs, doesn't approve of illegal immigrants, or opening our borders during the migrant crisis?
I feel like an alien in my anti-Trump Hispanic group of family and friends.
That's from Edward.
Hello, Edward.
How are you doing?
Hello, Stefan.
How are you?
I'm well.
I'm well, thanks.
How are you?
I'm good, thank you.
Alright, good.
Alright, give me the backstory here.
This sounds like a character that needs some history.
So how did this all come about for you?
It's a long story of a lot of flip-flopping between liberal and conservatives and friends' conversations and debating.
I'm the type of person who likes to debate a lot.
I like to talk about any political topics and any kind of Situation that's going on in the world and little by little has kind of been leading me towards you basically and at first it started off with a lot of liberal like socialist things like oh man it'd be great to have like free this and free that and it's just started to all make sense that like we can't have free everything and free this and free that.
But it's always funny to me how everybody who says we ought to have free stuff, to me it's like, okay, then go give it for free.
We ought to have free healthcare.
Okay, become a doctor and don't charge people.
We ought to have free education.
Okay, good.
Then start providing it for free.
It's always like when people say we ought to have free stuff, they mean I want other people to work for nothing.
They never mean I want to work for nothing.
Other people should work for nothing.
Give me free stuff.
And that's what it always translates to me.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I've come to basically understand.
Because of the fact that I'm in deeply in the Hispanic culture and Latinos and everything, I've gotten to see both sides of the world.
It's always been like I've never really fit in with the Latino and Hispanic culture.
I've always been kind of like the oddball, like the Oreo of the group.
Like...
And when it comes to me talking to people, like, hey, we don't really need this.
We were once a proud people.
We came here, worked our butts off, worked several jobs like my father did, and we busted our asses to get these homes.
But now everybody seems to have a shift to a completely different mindset.
And it's like, I don't know where it's all gone.
Well, you probably do, right?
Which is that there's more free government chatter, so mice ain't hunting anymore, right?
Yeah, pretty much.
It's really hard, especially when I speak to my father.
He's always been telling me, hey, do this, do that, stay in school, do good for yourself.
I don't want you to be where I'm at.
And now I'm at the point where basically I've succeeded my father in pay and knowledge and all these other things.
But everybody who I know has stayed behind.
I haven't seen people really progress.
Everybody's sitting back and just letting it all come in and out.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be overly white, but I don't know what that last part meant.
They're all sitting back and letting things come in and out?
Are you referring to Hispanic ladies in particular, or is there something I'm not aware about in terms of urban slang?
Probably is quite a bit, in fact.
Well, it's kind of like the mentality, especially in my generation.
People are just like, you know, I'll deal with it when I deal with it.
Like, oh, I'll get the money for the house when I get the money for the house.
Or when I need the house, or when I get a family, or when this and that.
But it's never like, hey, let me worry about this tomorrow.
Like, hey, let me make the savings for tomorrow.
Or, hey, let me pay off this thing for tomorrow so I don't have to worry about it tomorrow.
And it's never really...
Like that, it's always been the opposite of like, hey...
It's passive, right?
Yeah.
It's like passive, R-selected, R-selected behavior where, of course, I mean, if you rely on, say, the government or welfare or whatever it is to provide for your survival, then of course you're going to be passive because stuff's just rolling your way, right?
Yeah, exactly.
And then what happens is...
Well, tell me what I've noticed.
Edward, tell me if this is the case for you.
What happens then is there's a huge cultural shift.
And the cultural shift is...
You need to chill, man.
Why are you getting so uptight about everything?
It suddenly becomes cool to chill, to not stress out, to not work so hard.
You're like a hamster in a wheel.
You're going to join the rat race.
You've got to relax.
You're shortening your lifespan.
And it becomes, instead of being a hustler, which I think is a really great word.
I love that word, hustler.
Obviously not the vaguely criminal connotations, but...
Getting up early and working hard and hustling, making money, getting the cheddar.
I love that kind of ambition.
And when I was a kid, that was pretty well rewarded.
Like when I got my first job in a bookstore when I was 11, and people weren't saying to me, what are you, crazy?
You've got to get up at 6 o'clock on a Sunday morning to go to work in a bookstore?
Relax.
You're going to be out late.
What are you doing?
And so this whole shift happens where suddenly...
It just becomes a fool's game to work hard, and all the cool people get all Jamaican, if that makes any sense.
Yeah.
It's been killing me, because I've been trying to tell these people, I've been trying to have these conversations, but everybody's the opposite.
No, man.
Just don't worry about it.
It's just gonna be what it is.
The government's gonna always be corrupted.
The politicians are all the same.
Nothing can be changed.
So let's just vote for whoever can give us the best stuff.
Right, right, okay.
A bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy is like all the people who post, Europe is doomed!
There's no point in...
Okay, well, if you believe that, then I guess it's true.
So, yeah, the politicians are always going to be liars and corrupt, so let's just vote for the lying and corrupt politicians.
Hey, I think you just created a market incentive called...
So, yeah, politicians are all the same, but Trump!
Totally evil.
Yeah.
I've been listening a lot to your show, especially with the past few episodes that you've released.
Sorry to interrupt, but how did you find us to begin with?
It was basically a trail.
I started off with stuff like The Daily Show and then I kind of walked away from that, from the mainstream stuff.
I found things online like YouTube, like the Young Turks and all those other guys, but little by little I started seeing them for what they really were.
So I kept progressing past that and then just one of these days it's like your face just showed up in my YouTube list.
And I was like, oh, who's this guy?
He has an interesting topic.
Why is there an ostrich egg with teeth showing up in my YouTube feed?
It was really hard to watch your videos.
Honestly, it put me through a depression for a little while.
Do you remember which ones you started with?
It started with what's going on overseas with the migrant crisis.
It started with that and then it started with the economy and how the economy is coming close to basically just falling apart on itself.
So then I was thinking to myself, I was like, hey, I'm putting all this hard work and doing all these things, but it feels like there's so many people working against me, even in the political system.
And the people are just trying to take away what I've been working so hard for.
And it's just, the more I watch your videos, the more I see that there's fewer and fewer people that have that kind of mindset of work hard and you get what you deserve.
Oh, sorry to interrupt you.
Trust me, my friend, everybody gets what they deserve, whether you work hard or not.
Like your layabout companions there who are like, hey, ID man, what's going to happen?
They're going to get what they deserve too.
I mean, everybody gets paid, one way or another.
That's true.
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but go ahead.
No, it's okay.
So I've been basically looking through all your videos, and it was really hard to talk to people about these subjects.
Even to post something on Facebook to say, hey, I support Trump, or hey, I don't believe illegal immigrants should come into the U.S., and I have a whole lot of reasons why I definitely don't believe Why illegal immigrants should be coming into the U.S., and it's like first-hand experience with them.
Yeah, where are the sanctuary cities for people who don't want to pay federal income tax?
Exactly.
What about just, hey, I don't like these laws, so I'm just not going to obey them, and then everyone's like, woohoo, good, you shouldn't obey them, because blah, blah, blah.
It's like, where are the big giant states or big giant sanctuary cities where you just don't have to pay your income tax?
I mean...
No, you can disobey the laws of citizenship, and then you've got all these sanctuary cities, but if you don't want to pay your taxes, off to jail with you, or your alimony.
One of the things I really wanted to talk to you about was especially my first-hand experience with illegal immigrants and racism entirely.
And the weirdest thing about it is that you keep talking about IQ and the more IQ, the more sincere the person is and the more apologetic they are.
And the more and more that becomes true for me as I look back in my life.
For example, My father, he had a business in the hot center for all illegal immigrants and Mexicans alike.
Basically, you would get these guys to come in and they would give you these paper works and everything.
They would finance something and then when it comes time to pay up, they moved and they're gone and you never know who they were to begin with.
It's always been an experience like that with me with illegal immigrants.
I don't understand why people are so adamant about standing up for them, because I don't see anything positive coming from it.
I see what you were mentioning before, where money gets funneled out of the U.S. through Western Union, and that's something I thought was normal when I was growing up.
Oh, you mean so the Hispanics would get money from welfare or from work or something like that and funnel it back to Mexico to keep others sheltered and fed, right?
Yeah, exactly.
And it was just a normal thing.
That's what everybody would do.
80% of their paycheck would just be gone to another country.
You would never see it again.
And I never really put the two and two together and realized what that was doing.
And as more and more of that started coming together for me, I started realizing that illegal immigrants are definitely a huge issue for the US. And even though I have Mexican friends and I know some people who are illegal, I do not support what they are doing to this country.
And when I speak out loud about it, I get, I don't know, it's kind of weird.
They want to call me racist, but they look at me and they see me, I'm Hispanic, and they're like, oh, you're just ignorant.
You don't know what you're talking about.
It's just like, Trump is a racist.
They kind of go around me and call him a racist.
But Hispanic is not a race.
I mean, that's what's so funny about it.
But culturalist is a problem, right?
I mean, I think it's fair to say that there's a Mexican culture.
Now, that doesn't mean, of course, that all Mexicans are the same.
I get that.
But, you know, there is a Mexican culture.
And that Mexican culture is complex.
There's some variation to it.
But it is not the same as what would generically be called sort of WASP American culture.
There are differences.
There's German culture, there's British culture, there's Mexican culture, and that's bad.
So, saying that I have...
If somebody says, I have issues with certain aspects of the Mexican culture, then it's very difficult to know how to label someone who criticizes culture.
Right?
So, I mean, if you criticize a religious belief system, then...
You are critical of a belief system.
You say it should be open to examination and unpacking and criticism.
If there are certain cultural aspects that you criticize in a particular culture, yeah.
Are you racist for criticizing culture?
Well, of course not.
Because culture is something that can be adopted by people not of any particular race.
You know, there are the Uyghurs, like the white kids who want to act like rappers or whatever, right?
So you can appropriate particular cultural aspects which has nothing to do with race whatsoever.
Now, that having been said, So it's hard to say, well, you're criticizing a culture because that's a perfectly valid thing to do.
The whole point of philosophy is to criticize culture because culture is not philosophy.
And so there is some opposition and some tension between culture and philosophy.
And when culture gets criticized according to first principles, reason and evidence, It moves closer to philosophy and therefore gets improved in the same way that if you criticize faith using the scientific method, hopefully you budge people over further from faith to science, which is a rational, better state of mind.
But when you criticize a culture, like let's say, I don't like this about the Mexican culture.
I don't like this about the Mexican system of government.
I don't like this about, say, Mexican voting patterns.
So the Mexican voting patterns are very clear in the...
In the American elections, right?
2000, George W. Bush took 35% of Hispanic vote, Al Gore took 62%, so a little under Double.
In 2004, 40% for Bush, 58% for John Kerry in 2008, 31% for McCain, 67% for Obama.
In 2012, 71% of Hispanic vote went to Obama and Mitt Romney got 27%.
And there's a new poll that has Trump at 28% support with Latinos.
And I know we're Mexican, Latino, Hispanic.
We're creating a big mess linguistically, but hopefully people will.
Forgive me for that.
So when you criticize a culture, or you criticize beliefs held by a large group of people, you're just criticizing those beliefs.
You're not criticizing every individual.
You're not saying every individual in that geographical region holds those beliefs, but you're criticizing those beliefs that are held by a lot of people in that geographical region.
Now, if you can't pin it on race...
Then, you know, somebody who criticizes Mexican culture, well, like, you know, if you look at blacks, you say, well, they have a culture of single parenthood, they have a culture of fatherlessness, and they often have a kind of anti-intellectual, don't act white culture, which is sort of hostile towards self-improvement, economic advantage, and education, and so on.
Well, is that racist?
No, you're criticizing ideas.
You would criticize any group that held those particular ideas.
If those particular ideas were held by gypsies, you would criticize those ideas.
If they were held by Australian aboriginals or Sherpas in the Himalayas, you would be criticizing them.
But, you know, if you don't like single motherhood, clearly you would focus your criticism on the group that most manifests.
Single motherhood.
What you're criticizing is single motherhood.
The group that most manifests it may be a racial group for a variety of reasons, but once people can try and pin your criticisms not on behavior patterns or thought patterns or approaches or patterns of reflection, but if they can just pin it on a race, what happens is they got this magic wand to dismiss everything that you're saying because they just get to wipe the board clean The whiteboard, I guess.
In this instance, the whiteboard.
They get to wipe the whiteboard clean.
And what that means is white people can't criticize any group other than white people.
Hey, that's a great deal for bad thinkers and other groups.
But there is criticisms to be made of Latino culture, of Hispanic culture, of Mexican culture.
And it is actually racist to say that criticism should not be made of those cultures because there may be a racial element.
Because that's saying you cannot criticize Mexicans.
You cannot criticize Mexican culture, just to pick an instance.
You cannot criticize Mexican culture because there may be a racial disparity between the white person and the Mexican person or the Mexican culture that's being criticized.
What that means is...
That if you are white, it is impossible for you to criticize any other culture where there may be a potentially racial element.
And that is incredibly racist, because it's saying, because there's a racist element, I'm sorry, because there's a racial element, criticism cannot be applied.
And that elevates race above reason, above evidence, above criticism, and that is incredibly racist.
As far as, you know...
I'll do a tiny little rant and then we'll...
Sorry.
We'll get back to it.
Here's my tiny little rant.
I would like not to live in a world where we had to make collective judgments about other cultures and other races.
However, in order to do that, other cultures and other racists would have to stop acting so differently.
Right?
I mean...
Immigrant welfare usage by sort of origin geography, right?
Natives in America, not American, sort of American Indians, but Natives, regular old Americans, 30%.
Central America and Mexico, 73%.
Europe, 26%.
South Asia, 17%.
Okay, 17% for South Asians, the use of welfare, versus 73% for Central America and Mexico.
Now, I don't know if anyone expects a sane human being who can count...
To not notice that that is a vast, enormous, staggering multiple of difference.
South Asians, welfare consumption, 17%.
Central America, Mexico, 73%.
Now that's a quarter.
So if you have one group using welfare at a quarter of the rate, the other group, or the other group four or so times more, are we not allowed to make any collective judgments about groups that act collectively extremely differently?
People who say, well, you can't do that, I don't know how insane they are that they just can't count.
I mean, look, if all groups were using welfare at the rate of 20%, every single group, 20% or close, you know, like within a polling error of a couple of percentage points.
So everybody, South Asians, Europeans, Natives, Central America, Mexicans, all using welfare at 20%.
And you said, I can't stand the way that the South Asians use welfare.
Well, there would clearly be some bigotry because they're acting the same, but you're singling out a particular group.
However, if the groups aren't acting the same, then you have a reason to judge a particular group because they're not acting the same.
And then what people say, what they say is, ah, yes, but they're only acting differently because of racism.
How do you win that?
How do people know?
Like, how do Central America, like Mexicans, they come across the border and they say, ooh, I don't really want to go on welfare.
But I think there are some people who might be racist here.
And because of that, I'm going on.
I mean, that doesn't make any sense at all.
At all.
You can't judge groups for their behaviors.
But whites, who generally try to avoid racism and even are self-racist, well, whites are racist, okay?
So you can judge all whites as racists and all men as patriarchs and whatever, whatever, right?
But...
When there are clear, huge, massive differences in the way that groups behave in American society, you can't make any collective judgments.
And I say, if I say, hey, you close down these numbers, I'll stop making collective judgments, but I have to be an empiricist.
Yeah.
See, that's what kills me about this whole thing, is that, like, Like, oh, yeah, white people can't make judgment, but for example, one of my biggest gripes is black women in general.
They can make all the kinds of judgments that they want on anybody and get away with it.
I've literally had people tell me, oh, black people can't be racist.
It's impossible.
And I'm like, how can they not be racist?
The most amount of racism that I've gotten from is actually from the black community.
I've had a black woman who went to our store and she was upset about a product.
And so we explained it to her.
We were very polite with her and everything.
And she told us, like, oh, I'm tired of you Mexicans, like, coming into our country and taking everything we got and our jobs.
Like, oh, you should just go back on your boat and go back wherever you came from.
It just, like, threw me back.
I was like, that was the most, like...
Craziest moment I've ever experienced in my life.
That was the first time I've ever experienced racism full on.
You've got to try being white for a day if you really want to see racism full on.
I hate to pull the blue-eyed guard.
Just imagine being white and picking up the Huffington Post or picking up the New York Times or picking up mainstream, which is to say, leftist stuff.
Tommy Sotomayor is a YouTuber who's got a pretty interesting experiment he runs from time to time.
So what he does is he puts a picture of a beautiful black woman on Facebook and he says, black women are the most beautiful women in the world.
And what do you think people say?
Amen!
Right on!
Absolutely!
More weaves, right?
I mean, they love it, right?
And he can do this with other groups, right?
He can put Indian women on, and Indian women are the most beautiful women in the world, and oh yeah, they are beautiful, right?
And then what he does is he takes a picture of a Swedish woman, and he says, white women are the most beautiful women in the world.
And what happens?
Racism.
Oh god, the comments fill up with vile, bilious, hideous comments of racism.
It's insane.
The racism that white people...
I mean, I don't know.
It's crazy.
You can be a proud Hispanic, right?
Yeah.
Can I be a proud white person?
Yeah.
No.
Can't be a proud white person.
You can be a proud black man, and that's great.
You can be a proud Chinese man, you can be a proud Hispanic man, proud of your culture, proud of your heritage.
If I go out and say, I, a square-jawed, blonde, blue-eyed man, am very proud of white culture and white history, what's everyone going to say?
Uh, Nazi youth.
Asking a Nazi white supremacist.
People don't understand, I hate to say this, it's hard to understand if you're not white just how limited you are in any kind of cultural or historical pride.
Not only limited, you can't express it.
You cannot express it.
There are people who do, and I think that there's a huge amount to admire about white culture.
There's stuff to admire in other cultures too, but there's a huge amount to admire in white culture.
But you can't go out and be thrilled or happy about or admiring of white culture.
Because you're automatically a Nazi who wants to kill everyone.
And all other groups.
You can have...
I mean, I shouldn't say this, Edward, because it's not you.
La Raza, right?
What does that mean?
The race?
The race!
The race!
Everything for the race!
The race for everything!
Now, if you try that as a white person, white race power, what's going to happen?
Oh, it's basically like every media outlet pointing at you with their scopes.
I'm going to start the White Panthers!
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine?
What would happen?
So the amount of ferocity for any kind of...
Even the word white pride.
What does that mean to you?
What does white pride mean to you?
I want it to mean the same thing that it means for me when I say I'm proud to be who I am.
Why not be proud to be who you are?
Why not?
I'm not saying I'm a big white pride guy, but everybody has to understand the degree to which white people are forbidden, railed against, punished, lives destroyed, jobs destroyed, income destroyed, reputation destroyed, for uttering one-tenth of one percent of any pride in culture or race that every other group is praised for.
That's what gets me really angry nowadays.
And that's what they call privilege!
Sorry, go ahead.
I honestly understand everything you're saying.
It really resides with me because I see the injustice that happens to white men, white women, well, more white men than anybody else.
It's disgusting.
If you want to look at the most recent situation, there was a gorilla that was shot in the zoo because it was about to attack or was looking at some kid.
No, no.
If we're going to do the story, let's do the story.
So we'll get to that in a sec.
Let me just read this before I forget.
All right?
So this is screenshots taken 9th February 2016.
Wikipedia!
Is there ever any inaccuracy in Wikipedia?
Not if you're on the left.
All right.
So Black Pride from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Black Pride.
Black Pride is a movement encouraging people to take pride in In being black.
To celebrate heritage and personal pride.
That's black pride.
How about gay pride?
Gay pride is the positive stance against discrimination and violence.
Towards LGBT... I keep thinking that's a sandwich.
People to promote their self-affirmation, dignity, equality rights, increase their visibility as a social group, build community, and celebrate sexual diversity Gender variants and portable water buffaloes.
That's gay pride.
Asian pride.
In the United States, Asian pride is a positive stance to being Asian American, right?
So that's Asian pride, gay pride, black pride.
I'm sorry we don't have Hispanic pride here, but I'm sure it's there.
Now...
No, don't worry about it.
There's parades over here about for it.
What do you think is under Wikipedia?
White pride.
The Asian pride, gay pride, black pride.
Good, beautiful, wonderful stuff.
White pride.
White pride is a slogan primarily used by white separatists, white nationalists, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist organizations to signal their racist viewpoints.
Oh, God.
Oh, it's so terrible.
It's so fucking racist.
And this is all supposed to be in the banner called anti-racism.
Asian pride, gay pride, black pride, Hispanic pride, lovely white pride, evil Nazi genocidal...
It's like, are you people fucking kidding me?
I mean, this is like, I tell you, the whole world has become the onion.
Except, you know, you peel the onion, it makes you cry.
So I'm sorry we're drifting a little, but I just really wanted to get that across.
Because, again, if you're not white, imagine, imagine, imagine.
If you express any pride about your culture, your heritage, you fly any flag, you talk positively about the achievements of your ancestors and so on, and your life is destroyed.
Can you imagine living like that?
Yeah.
The fear, the huntedness, the can't speak of it, the anxiety, the, oh God, the self-hatred, the inability to say no to anything.
God Almighty.
It's really sad.
Like, I... I wish I could do something about it.
I've been doing something about it.
I've been speaking out about it.
I've been talking to all my friends about it.
Hey, this is unfair the way people are being treated out there.
This is not right.
For example, when I posted up about a Swedish family were kicked out of their home to make room for migrants.
Basically, I posted that up and I was like, hey, this Swedish family got kicked out, but they were a white family.
And the first thing that people said was like, oh, well, they did that to the Native Americans in America.
So it's just like, first come, first come, karma, basically.
Yeah, yeah, no, I've seen that a million times.
When white people cause problems for other people, it's white people's fault.
When other people cause problems for white people, it's white people's fault.
Ah, I think I detect a pattern here.
Oh, it's sad.
And people, I don't think they're conscious of it.
Like, I don't think your friends are sitting there going, wow, we really want to bash on white people.
Like, we just fucking hate those white people.
And, like, they don't.
It's just an automatically programmed response.
Automatically programmed response.
And this idea that you just, you beg on white people, you can shit on white people, you can attack white people, you can condescend white people, you can blame white people.
We are the unprotected group.
We are the open season group for people to vent all their frustrations and hatred on.
And this is somehow privilege.
I mean, when people see it, it's like once you see that, you can't unsee it.
But it seems impossible for people to see.
You know, it's the old thing.
You try talking about any other group that way.
Try talking about any other group that way, the way that they talk about white people, people's heads would explode.
And I gotta tell you, it's pissing off a lot of white people.
I mean, for a while it's like, okay, we'll give it a shot.
We'll get rid of all in-group preference, see how it goes.
Let's try and get to a post-racial society.
Okay, apparently we're very advantaged.
Because winter.
For hundreds of thousands, 100,000 years.
We're very advantaged.
We're going to just, you know, we're going to accommodate.
We're going to affirmative action, let people in, give money, give welfare, give, like we're going to just give, give, give, right?
I mean, someone recently did a calculation.
The average black person takes, costs $7,700 more in government services per year than they pay in taxes.
People are like, okay, well, you know, that was privilege and slavery, Jim Crow.
We're going to We're going to put all that aside.
We're going to give, give, give, give, give, right?
And it's not working.
Of course it's a government program.
Of course it's not working.
But yeah, white people, I mean, I can see it on the web.
And it's not as fringe as it used to be.
White people are getting pretty pissed off at this.
You know, that you build a society that everybody wants to get into.
Apparently we're so racist, everybody just wants to see it right up close.
Don't want to stay away.
That guy's got the most racist hotel ever.
I'll pay any price to get there.
What?
Build these societies.
Try and treat minorities as well as humanly possible.
And transfer massive amounts of wealth.
Give up in-group privilege and focus on the comfort and security and forward movement of minorities and so on.
And boy, is it ever not working.
It's not working for minorities.
It's not working for white people.
And it's going to change.
And people who haven't seen pissed off white people for a while are going to be a little surprised.
I'm hoping to avoid all of that.
But I'm just pointing it out.
You can only poke the wasp nest.
Literally, you can only poke the wasp nest for so long.
Well, it's already evident of it, right?
With the nationalist groups that are already organizing throughout the Sons of Odin.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it's just around the corner from the US, and that's what scares me for my future and my kids, the stigma of being related to these racists.
Let's call them what they are.
They're anti-white racists, and it's not all they are, but when the question comes up, Too bad, right?
Like, how the fuck does some Swedish guy who's 40, how is he responsible for what happened in the days of Christopher Columbus on the other side of the world when smallpox, which nobody knew anything about, nobody knew how to cure, when smallpox didn't even have a germ theory of disease, for God's sakes.
They didn't even know how disease transferred.
So how the fuck is some Swedish guy responsible for the transmission of an illness by methods nobody understood about on the other side of the world over 500 years ago?
Oh, they're all white!
So, I mean, if I said all black people are responsible for black crime, people would say that's insane.
At least that's in the same time frame!
If I said all black people are responsible for slavery 500 years ago, people would go fucking nuts.
And rightly so, it would be a horribly racist thing to say.
But when people say, well, white people are really not doing well in Europe at the moment, oh, it's karma!
Because they're...
Their ancestors were forced into the Navy and the Army to be colonists for their overlords.
And so, boom, karma, bitch.
It's like, oh, you fucking racists.
You unbelievable racists.
Not you, right?
And this is what people say.
This is the most amazing thing, right?
Liberals.
People say, if Trump wins, I'm moving to Canada.
It's like, why?
Why?
Why not move to Mexico?
Well, if Trump wins, he's racist, so I'm going to move to a country that's much whiter than America.
What?
If Trump wins and you don't want to be perceived as a racist and you think Trump is a horrible anti-Mexican racist, go move to Mexico!
No!
I want to move to where white people are in charge because I'm concerned that Trump might be a racist!
Oh, God.
All right, let's do the gorilla.
Sorry, is there something you wanted to add there?
No, I was just saying, like, I'd be glad to open the door for them and be like, oh, don't let it hit you on the way out.
And this is called whitesplaining.
So, the black...
Sorry.
A four-year-old kid climbs over a fence, wanders across 30 yards, falls into a gorilla pit, into the water, right?
And you can watch the video on YouTube.
I think it's on YouTube.
And the gorilla is dragging the kid through the water.
It's not safe, right?
It's not a safe environmental self-situation.
So you can get this from Paul Joseph Watson's Twitter feed.
I'm totally stealing it from him.
And this is black people talking about what happened.
That gorilla was taken from its homeland.
It's not idiots, but anyway.
That gorilla was taken from its homeland, put in captivity, and then killed to preserve white life.
That sounds familiar.
Huh.
Okay, so apparently all white people are to blame now.
And so they were going to shoot the gorilla.
Of course, everyone says, why didn't you shoot it with a tranquilizer?
It's 400 pounds.
I mean, that gorilla can...
Crush a coconut with one hand.
I mean, if the gorilla suddenly decided to play peekaboo in the kid's neck by ripping its head off, it would be over in about a tenth of a second and that kid would be dead.
So they couldn't tranquilize it.
They had to shoot it and it died.
It was 17 years old.
It was a red gorilla or whatever, right?
Someone else, another black person wrote, at the end of the day, the gorilla was minding his own business.
White parenting at its finest.
Yeah.
Another black guy wrote, I really feel bad for that gorilla.
He was living his life.
Next thing he knew, a white boy trespassing in his home, but he'd be getting a shot for it.
Another guy, the gorilla was minding his own business.
It's the mama's fault.
And the curious little white, all caps, boy, wanna bother people.
Black people don't even go by the rail.
If the gorilla knew they was kill him, he should have choked that little white boy like Melvin did Jody.
I don't know what that...
Do you know what that means?
I don't know.
Melvin...
Mike, do you know what?
I don't, but there's one that's not included in here that I thought was rather interesting.
They were like, the gorilla was 17 black and unarmed.
Oh.
Right.
Ape lives matter.
Okay.
This gorilla was trying to die today over a dumbass little white boy with stupid payments.
Smash my head.
R.I.P. my dog.
Dog.
Anyway, so this killing an endangered gorilla at a zoo for a white boy's safety is white privilege.
If the boy was black, they'd have found a tranquilizer.
It's great.
Now, the twist, of course, is that the boy, and not coincidentally his parents, were black.
And the father, fulfilling a lot of cliches, had a lengthy criminal history and so on.
And now the black parents are being investigated for...
Yeah, everything's about race, and white people are to blame for everything, and you can't look up any facts, just go around blaming white people.
And that's what they call privilege.
Yeah, it just pisses me off.
I've had conversations with people who were like, hey, someone posts up of someone getting arrested, like a cop arresting a black person.
And I just looked forward to it.
I looked to see what happened, what the guy has on his records and everything.
And the guy has several records with being caught with an arm and a few other things, like drugs.
And when I brought this up to the person who posted up the video, I was like, oh, fuck police.
Fuck white people.
And I was like, hey, by the way, this guy has a history of these things.
There's a reason why they came up to him this way.
And the guy was like, oh, facts don't matter.
That shit's been in the past.
It doesn't matter what happened in the past.
I'm like, what the fuck?
Drug trafficking and kidnap was what the...
This is the dad of the kid in the enclosure, right?
What was it?
And drug trafficking.
Kidnapping and drug trafficking.
So he's good at combining kids who aren't his own.
Anyway, alright.
No, it is mad.
But are you, wait, hang on.
Edward, are you saying that a black person was saying that what happened in the past doesn't matter?
Yeah, that's...
Yeah, so...
Like slavery?
Exactly.
Like Jim Crow?
Like segregation?
What happened in the past doesn't matter?
I'm actually down with that.
I got it.
I'm totally down with that.
Like, I literally wanted to take my computer and just throw it out the window.
Like, I was, like, done.
Like, I was, like, I hate...
I hate everybody on the internet.
It's so...
I'm a person who, like...
Would you like me?
Hold on.
My manly voice.
Yeah, there we go.
There's something about that head, you know?
That's right.
That's not a forehead, that's an eighthead.
Right.
Okay, so let me ask you this.
I mean, because we've talked about race and IQ and stuff like that.
And look, people who say there are no problems with Hispanic or Mexican culture, do you know what the age of consent is in Mexico?
Twelve.
To have sex with someone?
It's twelve.
Twelve.
Twelve.
Twelve!
But apparently, on frats, there's a rape culture in America.
Twelve!
What is the story with that?
I mean, do they die at 14?
You gotta get your sperm in?
Twelve?
Where the hell does that come from?
That's just backwards thinking.
I don't even know how to describe that.
I mean, it's not just shocking to me, right?
I don't want to be an old fuddy-duddy, but I don't know.
If the wine hasn't properly aged yet, I don't think it should be banged.
I brought this up to people.
I was like, hey, for example, when Trump says, oh, they're bringing in rapists, but not bringing in rapists, but the illegals are criminals.
They're not Americans.
They don't have rights.
They're criminals.
They're breaking the law, getting into the US that way.
I spent five years without my father because he did everything the proper way.
I have no sympathies for these illegal immigrants.
Sorry, your father was going through the bureaucracy, which is ridiculous for trying to get into America, right?
I mean, the average wait time in India is like 30 years or something.
But you're saying your father had to wait, right?
Yeah, I spent so many years without my father.
The first five years of my life, I never knew my father.
He was over here working his ass off and working two jobs.
And then finally he was able to approve me, my mother, and my sister.
And then we were able to come in and my mother then had to bust her ass because they had to work four jobs in between them.
And because of the fact that they were working all these jobs and paying these bills and everything they had to do to help us survive, I barely knew my mother as well.
Even though we were still with them, they were working their asses off the whole time.
I have no sympathy for people who ask for welfare.
I have no sympathy for people who are illegal immigrants because they basically are avoiding all the struggles that my family had to go through and everything that they had achieved in order to make sure that I had a good life.
I see the differences between these people.
Between the people who go through the due process and the people who don't go through it.
And the people who don't go through it never assimilate with the rest of us.
These people, they don't go outside of their circles.
They stay in their circles.
They have Spanish communities.
There are Spanish grocery stores.
There are Spanish nightclubs.
There are Spanish everything.
You'll never see them go outside that city.
It's always in that one city.
They spread.
Yeah.
They can go through half their lives with having very little contact with non-Hispanic cultures, right?
Yeah, and then when I think about that, and I think about the migrant crisis, and I think about that as just like on steroids.
You're just injecting people after people who are never going to assimilate.
It's just never going to happen.
It's just never going to happen.
No, Muslims have been going to other countries for 1,400 years.
Yeah, but there's a difference between, like, a Muslim who...
But there's not a lot of assimilation going on.
Let me just...
Go ahead, sorry.
I'm sorry.
I have Muslim friends who are moderate, and they went through the same process that my father went through, and it's, like, really tragic when you see these people who don't see their father for, like, 10 years or, like, 20 years, and, like, they have full-grown children overseas, and they never see these kids.
But they're busting their asses over here, but at the same time, it's also a problem because they're also sending money over there.
So it's really hard to find a middle ground, but at the same time, I don't really have sympathy for anybody who doesn't go through the due process that I had to go through, the heartache that I had to go through.
Yeah.
This is a little bit of information for those who don't know.
Rape in Mexico is prosecuted at the state level.
State laws vary.
A review of criminal laws in all 31 states showed that many required that if, for example, a 12-year-old girl accused an adult of statutory rape, she had to first prove that she was, quote, chaste and pure.
Chaste and pure.
19 states in Mexico required that statutory rape charges be dropped if the rapist agreed to marry his victim.
Uh-huh.
Thank you.
Now that's what I call a bit of a rape culture.
But you can't hear it, right?
I mean, feminists should be outraged at incursions of this kind of culture into America.
But they're not!
They're the biggest hypocrites.
They don't talk about any of this stuff.
I'm probably going to go through this whole thing going like, hey, that pisses me off, this pisses me off, all of it pisses me off.
It's just...
It's such a great injustice to everybody who's just trying to live their life and do the best they can.
You see these assholes out there talking about rape culture, rape culture, rape culture.
But when you talk about the other situations outside the country and the real rape culture, they want to just be like, oh, I didn't hear any of that.
Or we're not focusing on that.
We're focusing on what's going on here one step at a time.
In one village in Guero.
Guero?
State, elders were recently asked how they punished rape.
The six men looked confused as if they did not know what the term meant.
When it was explained to them, they all laughed and said, it sounded more like a courting ritual than a crime.
When they stopped laughing, they said, a rapist would probably get a few hours in the local jail or he might have to pay the victim's family a $10 or $20 fine, but it would all be forgotten if he and the victim married.
Now, in the case of a cattle thief, they said he would be jailed.
And unlike the rapist, a cattle thief would be brought before the elders for a lecture about the severity of the crime.
So yeah, rape a 12-year-old, eh, 10 buck, fine.
Marry the woman, whatever.
Marry the girl, it's fine.
But boy, if you steal a cow, well, that's some serious shit, man.
You've got to deal with that.
I mean, that's not a courting ritual.
Or if it is, I guess Thailand is the end destination.
But yeah, it's astonishing.
It's absolutely astonishing just how insane it is.
Yeah.
That's the kind of stuff that just makes me like, I don't know.
It's depressing to know that this is what's going on and then how shut people are away from the real situations of this world.
And here's the thing too, right?
Here's the insane thing.
I'm sorry, I'll shut up.
Here's the insane thing.
White culture has been punishing rape severely for 2,500 years at least.
At least 2,500 years, white culture has been severely punishing rape.
Mexico, $10 fine, dropped and waived if you marry your rape victim.
Oh, and if she's not chaste and pure, it's not even a crime.
Here's the insane thing.
I think we can safely say it's better...
With white laws regarding rape than with Mexican laws regarding rape.
But white people are not allowed to have any pride, but Mexicans are allowed to have all the pride in the world because who wouldn't want to celebrate a $10 fine 12-year-old rape culture?
All right.
That is off my chest.
So what's it like...
What's it like?
And I know we're generalizing, right?
But what's it like?
Lift the lid for me, right?
I mean, I don't get a chance to listen to a lot of unfiltered Conversations from your group or your neck of the woods.
You know, it's okay.
You can tell me.
I mean, who else is listening, right?
Come on.
What is said about Trump, about white people, about America?
What is the conversation?
I had a great black guy on who was talking about this a couple of weeks ago.
You know, let's have an honest conversation about what is said.
Like, this is exactly why I wanted to come on, because I wanted people to know, like, this is the conversations that are being had, like, this is, like, it's, people are having, like, these, like, ridiculous fantasies that, like, oh, if Bernie Sanders is elected, we're all gonna have weed, we're all gonna have, like, free this, free that, and then, and when you hear about Trump, it's like, oh, he's racist, like, and then it's like, okay, well, why is he racist?
And then it's like, no, he said that Mexicans are all rapists.
And then it's like, that's the only thing to go off of.
And then, even if you try to get past that, then it's like, oh, well, you know, they're richer than us, so it's got to be us against them.
So, like, I had a family member who told me, he was like, like I said, I've done pretty good in my life.
I'm in a better place than most people I know around me.
And, um...
And one person told me, he was like, hey, I'm voting for Trump.
And he's like, well, I'm not voting for him because he's for the upper class.
He's not for me.
He's not going to help me in my situation and the money I need.
And I'm like, well, no one can help you except yourself.
But it's just the kind of mentality that people have.
They're waiting for this savior, but they're waiting for also a white savior, who's like Bernie Sanders.
I'm like, they hate white people, but they want a white savior.
Well, he is Jewish, technically, so there's arguments about his whiteness.
And what do...
Let's dig a little deeper.
What do some of the people you know say about white people as a whole?
Good and bad.
Well, I mean, most people, they would try to say, oh, they're racist.
Oh, they think they're better than us, or something like that.
Or, uh, oh, like, uh, like, for example, like, when, like, girls, like, walk into Starbucks or something like that, like, they, like, like, the girl, like, like, Latino girls, they would say, like, oh, like, look at those bougie, like, whatever, so-and-so.
It's just, like, like, all kinds of hate just because they're in that kind of position.
And, um, it's just, like, it, it's, it's, It sounds like it's just aimed towards white people, but it probably most likely is.
But at the same time, I've also experienced it aimed towards each other.
For example, Dominicans and Mexicans and Puerto Ricans and whatever you want, they would fight against each other and they would call each other like crap and all kinds of things.
And it's the same thing that happens within Black communities.
Like, if you're light skinner than another person, or darker skinner than the other person, then a white skinned person, they'd be considered white.
And they're like, oh, stop acting white, or stop acting this.
Like, oh, why are you talking white?
It's like stigmatized.
Sorry to drop.
What does acting white mean?
What are the behaviors that would get that label?
Just speaking proper English.
Proper English.
Proper English.
Proper English, proper manners, paying your pillow sometimes.
Anything that basically is not hip-hop culture or whatever you can think of.
It's all frowned upon and labeled as acting white.
It's kind of stigmatized.
If you associate yourself as a white person, Or associate yourself with white people.
Or if you act in any kind of sort of way as a white person, then you kind of like fall in this category of being this stigmatized person where you're like, oh, you're just acting white.
You're just like this and this and that.
Why don't you just act like the rest of us?
And it's acting white.
It's like, oh, is it the old thing that a lot of low-rent people say?
And this is true among white people as well.
Oh, you just think you're so much better than us.
Yeah.
Right.
Well, who are you putting on air is thinking you're so much better than us, right?
Yeah, and it's like you try to make it in this world, and then, like, it's basically as soon as, like, you try to do that, people start talking bad about you.
Like, oh, look at what he's doing.
Like, oh, look at what he's doing.
And then it's just like, oh, well, that's not a real, like, so-and-so jacket, or that's not a real this and this and that.
Like, it's all fake.
And it's just, like, your own people, like, bringing you down to their level.
Yeah.
It's constant.
It's always all the time.
There are your own people holding you back because they don't want to get out of their shell.
And when was, Edward, when was the last time, if ever, that you heard someone say something really positive about white people?
Like from another Latino or...
That's a nice long pause there, my friend.
Yeah, someone in your community, right?
Who's like, you know, those white people, they've got this together, or they've got that together, or they've built a pretty great country, or they sure invent a lot of shit, or, you know, I'm glad to have this.
Something positive about white people.
I've heard that from my mother.
Like, and my mom is, like, kind of like a person who always, like, tries to, like, do her best for me.
And she said, like, oh, yeah, well, you know, like, she's kind of, like, really brutal about what she says, too.
Like, she's like, oh, like, remember how I told you that at a situation where a black woman was very, like, basically racist towards us?
So, like, she would say, like, oh, well, like, all black people are the same.
Like, they're just, like, just There's very nasty, nasty people and, like, unpolite.
And then she says that she actually enjoys doing business with white people because white people always pay and they always pay on time and they're always, like, polite and always nice about things.
Like, they never, like, you never have a situation where, like, you're, like, hunting them down or, like, waiting for them to, like, say something nasty to you.
Like, it's always, like, hey, like, we're having this, um, we're having, uh, Different views are like, I need this from you, and let's have a conversation about it.
Okay.
And your mom sounds great.
But other than your mom, positive things about white people that you've heard?
Not even from my white friends have I heard positive things.
No, no, forget your white friends.
No, no.
We're trying to zero in on something here.
I'm not trying to catch you.
I'm genuinely curious because I don't think white people understand this very well, which you will get to.
But if there hasn't been anything, that's fine.
I'm just curious if...
Because, you know, white people talk a lot about the positive values of other cultures and other races and other ethnicities and so on.
What have you heard, if anything, that's positive about white people from your friends?
If I wanted to be 100% honest, like I... I really don't hear much of anything, if anything at all.
Like, it's mostly...
Is that zero?
We got a big bagel.
It's not your fault.
Like, I mean, we're having a...
I mean, I'm enjoying the conversation.
I think it's a very honest and frank conversation, which I appreciate you having.
So I'm not including you in this.
And I'm sure you would say positive things about white people.
To be fair, there are positive things to say about white people.
But are you saying, so among your friends in general...
You can't think off the top of your head of a positive conversation about white people.
No.
The only thing I hear about is just like, oh, they have good credit.
I'm sure that's privilege.
It's got nothing to do with paying off your debts.
That's the only thing I really hear positive about white people.
It's usually stigmatized to be associated or think that white people are cool.
It's very...
You see it in every culture, whether it's mainly black and Hispanic cultures.
They have a vendetta against white people, and if they see any of their own kind moving forward, they basically call them a white person or acting white as if it's a negative thing.
If it's something that you shouldn't be proud of, basically saying being white, you should not be proud of being white.
Being white is a shameful and hateful thing.
Yeah.
To act that way, right?
It's disgusting.
Like, I don't understand why that's a thing.
Like, it took me so long.
I do.
I do.
We'll get to that.
And this is something, I don't want to put words in your mouth, right?
So tell me if I go astray at all here.
But I think this is something that white people have trouble understanding.
That there are a lot of minorities that really, really hate white people.
Yeah, it's...
Like, really, really hate white people.
And I gotta think of kind of laughing at white people with their big, giant multiculturalism embrace and, you know, let's all get along and here's some affirmative action and we're gonna pay this and we're gonna give you preferential loans for your businesses and we're gonna promote you and we're gonna...
It's like, don't you know we hate you?
Like, I gotta think from the viewpoint of, like, we're making fun of you guys.
We think white people are ridiculous.
We think they're bad.
We think they're corrupt.
We think they're exploitive.
We think they're nasty.
We think they're bad dancers.
They're uncool.
They don't know how to have good sex.
Like, they're just a goofy, ridiculous, dangerous race.
And I think that white people don't understand just how a lot of minorities...
Really, really don't like white people.
Yeah, it's true.
We can be honest, right?
We can be honest about this.
We're just trying to deal with the facts, right?
I feel bad for laughing about this because it's not really funny.
It's really heartbreaking to me to see...
The fact that I could be proud of myself, but my friend who's white or some of my past growth, I'm a proud person who didn't even want to date Hispanic women or black women.
I only wanted to date white women because you've had plenty of conversations about what happens with a lot of black women and Hispanic women and how they treat their men and how men treat them and just how Negative they are towards each other and so it's always been something that I've like always been against like that like to To date like a Hispanic woman or a black woman
and so When I think about that, I think about it like, okay, so why did I really want to, like, date a white girl?
And then I started realizing, I was like, because they have, like, their stuff together.
Like, they're intelligent.
I can have a good conversation.
Like, one of my main things is, like, having a conversation with somebody.
And when I started looking at that, and I started realizing that, like, a lot of my culture is just, like, against all this, like, open-mindedness and being white and, like, and just living like that, like, the American dream and all those things.
And it's just, like, I'm trying not to generalize everybody, but it's just hard.
Oh, listen, man.
Sorry, sorry.
If you've said that over your entire, you know, you're coming on for your third, when you're in your third decade, right?
Yeah.
So over your entire adulthood, which is, you know, closing in on 30 years, you can't remember a single positive conversation you would have had a peer, whether any positive feeling or thought has been expressed towards white people.
I mean, imagine if I said that.
Imagine if I said...
You know, at your age, I've had countless conversations with my white friends about blacks, and everything has been negative, and there's not been one positive thing to say about blacks, or Hispanics, or whatever, right?
Yeah.
It is terrible.
It is terrible.
Like, I understand it.
I don't think a lot of white people understand it.
And I think that white people don't understand it is a great tragedy.
Because look, your friends should not be getting away with this stuff any more than a white person should be getting away with stuff talking trash about other races, right?
Exactly.
I mean, probably deep down they know that this is racist and bigoted and anti-white hatred and all that.
And it's not right.
You can move to someone's country, take a lot of their resources, you know, consume welfare, consume public schools, consume health care.
And then just shit all over your hosts, that's pretty crappy, right?
Yeah.
I mean, if Mexicans are so great, why don't they fix Mexico, right?
I mean, that's not an unfair thing to say, right?
Why you got to run to white countries if Mexicans are so great and white people are so bad?
What's up with that?
Now, again, I understand it all, but that is something that could easily be asked and reasonably be asked, right?
Yeah.
How are you doing in this conversation, brother?
You seem a little like, don't make me talk about it.
Are you okay?
I really wanted to have this honest conversation with you.
I've watched so many of your shows and I've never really seen a Hispanic person come out and talk to you.
I wanted to be brutally honest with you.
I wanted to have this open conversation with you, but at the same time, it makes me realize how bad things are.
Like I said, it's depressing.
You want to think the best of your people, but then you start seeing the true ugly side of it.
It is actually, but it's also not, it's not exactly entirely the fault of your people, so to speak, right?
I mean, because white people put up with it.
White people don't ask about it.
White people, I won't say invited, I don't want to blame the victim and all of that, but white people don't have these frank conversations.
They don't talk about race and culture with other groups openly and honestly.
And I don't want to say, you know, bring it on themselves and all of that.
But, and by the way, we have had tons of Hispanic callers.
It's just, it has not really centered as much around questions of race as much as this caller is.
But, right, it's not working for white people.
It's not working for Mexicans.
It's not working for blacks.
That doesn't mean it can't, but right now it's all government run, right?
It's all, race relations are a government program.
Cultural relations, multiculturalism, migrant crisis, immigration, all of this is a government program.
And government programs screw things up and make everything worse.
And violence does that.
Coercion does that.
And I think that There can be positive and beneficial interactions between ethnicities and so on.
But first of all, we got to get real, right?
Shit just got real, right?
We got to get real with each other.
There is a lot of anti-white hatred in the world.
I would say it's one of the most foundational emotional drivers in the world at the moment is hatred and resentment and frustration and envy and all of that towards white people.
Because that's the one group that can be attacked with impunity.
White people and Christians, as long as they're white, right?
That is the group, white people are the group that can be attacked with impunity, that you can be racist towards with impunity, that you can deny cultural pride to and consider yourself a virtuous person for doing so, that you can denigrate and put down, and it's fine.
And we all know it's not a sustainable situation, right?
It can't work in the long run because white people are going to justly get really pissed off.
You know, I can't speak for white people.
It's boring, it's tiring, it's stupid, and it's very dangerous for everyone involved to keep piling on this way.
And I don't blame them.
Like, I really don't.
Like, it's something that needs to happen because, like, They need to basically have their own backbone for this.
They need to stand up and say no.
I blame white people a little bit.
I blame white people a little bit.
Because there's this terror of being called racist.
And it's like, when the hell did this become something which makes you give up everything that you treasure?
And that other people treasure about white-run societies.
It's weird.
It's what I understand.
For example, all the white people I've known, they've always been polite, always been open to invite me in their homes and everything.
And when I come over to their house, they're very, very good at entertaining their guests.
Yeah, friendly, right?
Good hosts, right?
And when I go to someone else's house, like a Hispanic or a Black house, it's just the opposite.
It's just kids running all over the place, nothing's really picked up, and it's just like, sit wherever you want to sit, like, oh, you're thirsty, whatever, that kind of thing.
And it's just like, it's not the same.
And I don't understand, because when I see music videos and stuff like that, specifically hip-hop, I was watching a music video where there was a rapper who was singing and then he had like a courtroom portrayed.
And so everybody who was in the audience was basically black.
And then the defendant and then the him, he was black.
But then the judge was a white woman.
The officer was a really overweight white man.
And then the jury was all white women.
And, um, and I'm looking at the video and I'm, like, realizing, like, he can't even portray in his own music video that his own people can be judges, that they can be police officers, that they can be, like, righteous, like, jury people who show up to these things.
And the way he does portray his people are like these like really ratchet, like half naked, like, and then like the clips that would go off of it.
Just people like holding guns and all kinds of things in front of like a car or like a liquor store.
And like that's how he'd rather portray his people rather than portray them in like a positive light, even when he has full control over the situation.
Well, you have to be because there's a well-oiled attack machinery that is ready and poised to destroy the lives of creators if they accurately reproduce what occurs in society.
So, for instance, I've always heard of this law and order, right?
I've never, I didn't know much about it, right?
So I was browsing on Netflix and I watched an episode or two and then I watched an episode or three and then I watched half a season.
And I stopped watching it because just about every criminal is a white person in New York.
In New York, just about every criminal is a white person.
Now, if they were to go by the actual arrest statistics and accurately reflect the number of minorities, in particular blacks and Hispanics, and Asians don't exist, remember, because Asians, right?
If they were to say, okay, well, we're going to take the arrest ratios, we're going to take the conviction ratios, and we're going to accurately portray that in the Law and Order series, What do you think would happen?
Yeah, it'd be a hell to pay.
Everybody would flip out and lose their heads.
Yeah, like 9 out of 10 of the criminals or 8 out of 10 of the criminals would be visible minorities.
And everybody would go insane and say, this show is incredibly racist for accurately reflecting reality.
Oh my god.
So if you're a white person, you have to navigate this shit all the time.
I can't speak the truth.
I can't speak facts.
You know, they're called on the internet hate facts or facts be racist kind of thing, right?
You can't talk about facts because you are a racist for accurately identifying things in reality.
You know, the crazy thing about this is that I've been basically spreading a lot of your videos and a lot of stuff from Paul Joseph Watson, Milo, and a lot of these other people who are rising up, and it's just like...
When I share these things, I think people do a double take of my photo and my name.
Like, oh, is that guy white?
No, no, he's not white.
Can I call him racist?
I probably can't anyway, right?
Yeah, and they do kind of like a weird...
Either they avoid the subject entirely, or they kind of try to go around me and call the source racist.
Yeah.
And then I met the people who were just overly full of themselves, like...
I guess Black Panthers are people who are just super for their own side.
And they would bring on the full-on racism towards me.
And they would be like, oh, you're just a pawn in the white man's scheme.
Don't you know?
You're acting white!
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, and the communists used to have the same thing.
If you're a worker and you didn't feel exploited, and you were happy to have a job, then you had false consciousness.
And you were wrong, even though you had good arguments and you felt perfectly happy being an employee.
It doesn't matter, right?
Because people can just say, well, you're wrong.
And...
They don't have to prove anything.
They just have to...
All they have to do is say that you're judging any kind of collective group differently, and it doesn't matter if there are facts behind it.
It doesn't matter.
In fact, if there are facts behind it, that's even worse because you've researched other racists or something like that, right?
And this is a very dangerous situation.
It's a very dangerous situation.
This is where societies get really messed up when a particular group is constantly attacked and denigrated and lives in fear.
And white people live in fear of being called racists.
You don't have that fear.
I mean, I know that you live in fear of ostracism or acting white or being successful or, you know, all the other things which I actually admire you for.
I mean, the job that you've made of your life sounds great.
But you don't live in that kind of fear.
And again, if you're not white, it's hard to know how much fear white people live in, in being called racist.
And look, It's not just, I mean, it's not just minorities who are calling whites racist.
Whites can be some of the first to pile on with that, and Jews, but whites too.
So that is, and you know, you can only push a people down so far.
I understand the fear too, because not that I fully understand it, but I see where the fear is coming from.
Because when I see people talk about these subjects and people bring this up, and then I try to bring it up, I see people who get attacked at their jobs.
Be threatened to lose their job.
They would call their jobs and send in letters and until the person loses their job for false claims, they aren't satisfied.
And it just goes to a whole personal level with these people and it's insane.
And I think about it myself and I'm like, oh man, if I post some of this stuff, will I be putting my job at risk?
And I'm like, well...
I'm not really white.
I'm not going to lose my job because they can't say I'm racist.
Or at least some of them can, but who's going to really believe them?
Well, no, listen, I hate to alarm you, but I wouldn't be so sure of that, my friend, because you would think that women couldn't be called sexist.
But if you are a woman who's, say, on the right or who's a conservative, and you don't toe the leftist feminist party line, I mean, they'll work to try and destroy you even though you're a woman.
Yeah.
But look, I mean, you are a very smart man.
And if smart people can't have conversations about this stuff, we have conversations to avoid escalation, right?
You know this.
If you don't talk about things and people brood and simmer and get frustrated and don't communicate, that's when things hit a boiling point.
So the fact that you and I are having this conversation...
It's really, really important, right?
I'm learning something about your culture, and your background, and your relationships, and you're learning something about my culture, my background, and my relationships.
And this is an incredibly rare conversation to be having in the world.
Isn't it great?
Yeah.
I'm not saying fun, but great.
You know, because I was always told to have honest conversations about race.
And when I was younger, I was foolish enough to think that's what was actually meant rather than shut up white people and pay up.
But now, did you something else you wanted to add?
Because I wanted to end up with sort of like I kept saying, well, I understand it and I haven't really explained why.
But is there anything else you wanted to add, Edward, to what we've been talking about so far?
No, the only thing I want to add is I wish more people would talk up about this, whether it's white, blacks, Hispanics.
I feel like there's more of us than there are of them.
And I just really wish people would just stand up for themselves.
I want everybody to get together and just really work on this situation because it's not going to go away.
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
It's just way too many people, especially in my generation, are just sitting back and just letting it happen and I wish that it wasn't that way.
I wish that people would actually speak out their minds and not let the buffoons and the racists and the true sexists of this planet take over.
Right.
You say you think there's more of us than of them, but I just wanted to have you circle back to what you said earlier when you said you couldn't remember a single positive thing that your peers had ever said about white people.
I'm not sure that there are as many as you think there are.
Well, I'm thinking like in a more broader term, like more of like a cross...
Oh, the people you don't know.
Yeah, like cross races.
So the imaginary Aragorn-based army of the undead is going to come through and heal race relations in the West.
I'm just, you know, I don't want you to have false optimism when you've said, I've never met a single, you know, of my friends who have anything positive to say about white people.
But don't worry, there's lots of people who have positive, you know, I just, let's not pretend that your empirical data doesn't exist.
I'm very, very optimistic, so I'm hoping that's the case.
So, like, even if I might be wrong, I'm really, really, really, really, really, really hoping that's the case.
Well, look, I'll tell you what, conversations like this, Conversations like this are going to create more people who can have conversations like this.
Right?
Seriously, the good that we're doing to the world by having conversations like this is immeasurable.
So we will hopefully have people.
Now, you kept saying when you get invited to white people's houses, how often have your friends invited white people to their houses?
I don't really know that often.
It's usually within their own circles unless they know Someone who's been like their own friend for a while, like for example from high school or middle school or whatever, but it's usually like them going over their house because like sometimes there's like this like shame and like how they feel about their own home compared to like the white person's home.
So it's like it goes back to the whole like stigma of like oh they're doing better than us so like we got to put them down kind of thing.
Right.
Okay, so let's get to what I think I understand.
And then you can tell me if this makes any sense.
I'm going to assume, Edward, that you did pretty well in school and you're doing well in life.
Yeah.
Your parents are smart?
They're not the best.
They didn't really graduate high school.
They're smart.
No, I didn't ask whether they were government educated.
That's not the question.
I mean, they're together, right?
They have a decent relationship.
I mean, they work.
They're doing the right stuff, right?
Yeah, my parents, they've gone through their thing, but they've always stuck together.
And they've always said that the reason why they keep together is because of us.
Me and my brother and sister.
They've always stood up for us.
Right.
And you did well in school and you're doing reasonably well in life, right?
Yeah.
Basically, the way I say it, I constantly have to learn new things.
I can't just sit and stagnate.
I have to learn new technologies, especially with me being in the IT career.
So it's always a constant new thing for me.
And when I see others who just play video games and all these things, it's such a wasted amount of time.
I don't understand.
And with regards to your Hispanic friends, how often do you have conversations of depth or meaning or self-knowledge or even current events that are not just shallow resentment stuff?
I mean, deeper conversations?
Not often at all.
Like, I have more deeper conversations with my white friends and my Asian friends.
So when you say not very often at all...
Meaning, like, I would post something, they would talk about it, like...
No, no, no.
Conversations in your life with your Hispanic peers.
Yeah, like, they would basically, like, it would just be something related to what I said, like, and then they'd kind of just shrug me off, like, oh, that's stupid, or, oh, like, you're just selfish, like, you should vote for this, or you should do that, like, oh, that's just selfish.
So we're talking zero?
Yeah.
No, just because you say, well, not very often, not that much, either that weekly or yearly, every fourth blue moon when the heron is outlined against Mr.
Sorcerer Head.
I mean, is it zero?
I mean, it just doesn't happen with your Hispanic friends?
Yeah, it's more about entertainment and things like that.
It's not really about politics.
Everybody kind of shies away from politics.
They don't really want to talk about it.
They don't want to talk about social...
I think I get that from the soap operas.
Do you know the average IQ in Mexico?
No, I don't know.
Do you want to take a guess?
I'm around mid-70s, maybe low 80s.
88.
Oh, okay.
So that's, you know, 88, right?
So that's not hugely great.
And this is one of the reasons why Mexico has trouble establishing any kind of representative democracy and why corruption is so high and violence is so high because the sweet spot for criminality is around 85.
Doesn't mean, of course, right, blah, blah, blah.
We don't have to put all these caveats in because we're dealing with a smart audience.
Now, the average IQ, of course, among white people is 100.
You're a smart guy, so I would imagine that your white friends are above average in terms of IQ, because you sound to me way above 100 for, you know, I'm not an expert, just a rule of thumb, right?
So, if I sort of point this out, right, that the average IQ is 88.
Does it make any sense about some of the stuff we've been talking about with regards to the differences between your Hispanic friends and your white friends?
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
In the conversations, in the dialogue, in the vocabulary, it's so blatant, the difference.
You cannot avoid that difference.
Right.
Now, this is what is really annoying about white people.
One of the many things that is annoying about white people is because the IQ stuff isn't known.
Because the IQ stuff isn't known.
And look, I'm no expert in this, but my understanding is basically a bunch of Westerners had sex with a bunch of people who were indigenous to Central and South America and produced mestizos or, you know, the sort of half and half or whatever, right?
What is really frustrating for people, for groups as a whole, is looking at white people and not understanding why white people tend to be more successful.
Because the IQ stuff just isn't really talked about.
I mean, in fact, it's actively suppressed as a whole, which to me is tragic.
It's incredibly tragic.
I think that groups of similar IQs can get along fine.
I think groups with disparate IQs can get along fine as long as people at least understand to some degree the fact that there's an IQ difference in aggregate, right?
And not regarding individuals or whatever, right?
And so what happens is, you know, blacks and Hispanics and gypsies, low IQ there too, they look at white people and they say, what the hell?
They have stuff and we don't.
They have pools and we gotta jimmy open a fire hydrant.
They have nice stuff, we have crap stuff.
They have peaceful communities, we have violent communities.
They have stable families, we not so much.
They do well in school, we not so much.
They have patents.
We not so much.
They go to college.
We not so much.
Without the understanding of it, I mean, at least there's other stuff, at least the IQ differences.
Yes, there's cultural differences, and yes, there may be testosterone-level differences between whites and Asians and blacks and so on.
But without at least understanding that, It's an incredibly frustrating thing because it's like if I think I'm as tall as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and I'm as equally good a player but I can't ever get on a basketball team, I'm going to get really, really frustrated and angry, enraged.
I'm just as good a player.
I'm just as tall.
I'm just as fast.
I'm just as experienced.
Nobody will hire me.
That is an incredibly frustrating and enraging situation to be in.
And it allows, of course, people to externalize all the problems to white racism.
Right?
Because if all the Hispanic basketball players are as tall and as fast as all the black basketball players, but nobody will hire them, it can only be because of anti-Hispanic basketball association prejudice, right?
And rather than saying, look, We're starting with an IQ difference.
Let's figure out what we can do to close it.
Let's figure out better parenting methods.
Let's figure out not spanking.
Let's figure out longer breastfeeding.
Maybe we can figure out if there's genetics, there's almost certainly genetics involved.
Maybe we can figure out some genetic solutions to this so we can begin to bring IQs closer together.
We have to first recognize that there's a problem in order to solve it.
But this denial of this la la la la, stick your fingers in your ears, forget about anything, pretend there's no genetic differences, there's no cultural differences, there's no brain differences, there's no IQ differences, is a recipe for genuine civilization-shaking disasters.
Because blacks and Hispanics and gypsies are looking at whites and I guess Asians too and saying, why not me?
Why not us?
Why can't we get and have what they have?
They're keeping it from us.
They owe us.
They destroyed our ancestors.
They enslaved our people.
They stole our resources and I want California back.
Not when it's a socialist country you don't, but without this basic understanding that there are differences between ethnicities that we must first acknowledge and then work as best as we can to close those gaps using all of the incredible resources we have in the world.
The scientific resources, the cultural resources, the parenting resources, the biological resources.
We need to understand that this is a big problem.
We're all not going back to our corners.
We're not going to end up with entirely different planets to live on.
We all got to find some way to live together.
But without acknowledging these differences and working to bring them closer together, this rage, this frustration, this anti-white racism, this hostility, this sense of entitlement, this bigotry, when's it going to stop?
How's it gonna stop?
Biology ain't changing.
It's only going to escalate.
It's only going to get worse until the facts come out and we can all put our heads together and work to try and solve this problem.
But screaming racism, resentment, and hatred for white people, it's not gonna end well.
We all know that, right?
Is there any way to actually have these things work together?
Like, or is that just far, so far, like, away from the reality?
Well, see, I don't know, but I know for a fact that if the problem isn't even acknowledged, there will be no solution other than ever escalating conflict.
Like, do I know whether race IQ differences can be solved?
I have an incredible amount of optimism that it can be.
But it first must be acknowledged.
Well, that's correct.
It first must be acknowledged.
If we were to acknowledge this issue and we were to put the combined resources of five continents and the geniuses that are in there to work on trying to solve this problem, I'm pretty sure a lot could be done.
A lot could be done.
And let's say we can't solve the problem.
I mean, some of it can be solved because some of IQ is environmental.
It's to do with how you're parented.
It's to do with breastfeeding and spanking and all the other things that we've talked about with the experts.
So some of it can certainly be improved.
If you can get the average IQ of Mexicans from 88 to 95, damn, wouldn't that be great?
That would ease tensions an enormous amount, because then the discrepancy between the two groups would be vastly diminished, right?
So let's just say, look, I have no idea, but I don't think that's a wildly unrealistic goal.
I mean, the black-white IQ gap narrowed in the 60s and early 70s.
As a result of a variety of factors.
And the black community still has a long way to go in terms of not spanking and breastfeeding and all the other stuff which I've talked about for years because I really, really want to help race relations but I'm not going to do it by pretending white people are always to blame and there's no such thing as biology, there's no such thing as evolution and there's no such thing as disparate outcomes for groups in wildly disparate environments.
So black and white IQ gap has closed a little bit.
Can we do something with the Hispanic?
Yes.
Yes, of course we can.
Of course we can.
Now, can we get it to parity?
I don't know.
But damn, if we can get it halfway to parity, that's so much better.
Wouldn't it be?
I mean, wouldn't it just be fantastic if we could do that?
Now, if there's more that can be done, like a generation of intensive gene research to figure out what particular triggers there may be, For growing the brain size, for growing the number of white neural connections, for the white matter in the brain.
I think that would be an incredible and powerful and incredibly positive project for human beings to embark upon.
I can't even tell you how much money I would give into that research.
I'd like to live in a hut.
And I would do my podcast on a TRS-80 in order to be able to...
I mean, if that research gets moving, there's nothing that I wouldn't do to get behind that, to work to solve things in a genuine, practical way.
Right now, we have differences between the races that is ascribed to magical racism on the part of white people in the same way that epilepsy in the past was ascribed to demonic possession.
It is that superstitious and that primitive.
We've got this weird white people hate everyone who just happens to be less intelligent than white people because, whatever, Asians don't exist.
We have this weird, magical, stupid non-answer that is only stoking resentment on every single conceivable side of the racial gap.
White racism is responsible for every single disparity in the known universe.
Oh, and sexism for women, even though women work less hard than men.
The wage gap between men and women is a complete fiction.
No serious economist thinks about it in any realistic way.
Ignore it.
It's ridiculous.
Nobody believes it except feminists.
But IQ gaps need to be acknowledged.
We need to put the resources in to figure out what's going on, what can be improved environmentally, what can be improved genetically, and then And only then can we really begin to start to live in peace with each other so that you don't have all of your friends hating white people and you don't have white people hating themselves and pushing down all that resentment and anger until I don't even want to know what might happen after that.
White people are nice until they're not.
And then they're really, really not.
And we don't want to get there.
So the fact that we can have these kinds of conversations, in fact, like, so when I said, like, I understand why your friends are resentment towards white people.
Because we look like we're hoarding stuff.
We look like we're keeping everyone else out of the party.
We're excluding everyone.
Ooh, we've got this great free market party going on, but we're not going to share with you Hispanics and we're not going to share with the blacks.
We totally share with the Jews and the Asians because Jews and Asians have higher IQs, but let's not talk about that.
So it sounds like we're having this great party.
We got all the Victoria's Secret models and Kanye is playing live and Emily Ratajkowski is topless in the pool and I don't know, some Kardashian has given birth to some multicolored baby.
Right?
So we've got this great party going on.
It's the best party in the known universe, but you're not invited, people.
Of course that's annoying as hell.
And because people don't know why.
All of this is happening, which is around IQ and disparities between ethnicities, because people don't know why this is happening.
They have no choice but to indulge in bottomless rage and bottomless appeasement, and that can't be sustained.
What's going to happen, Edward?
What is going to happen when America runs out of money?
It's just, like, full-on, like, crime and just violence.
Just, like, basically Venezuela.
That's exactly what we're looking at.
We're looking at Venezuela and our future.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think...
Or South Africa.
I think a lot of this...
Like, you talk a lot about...
Parenting and raising kids and children and all these things.
And I think a lot of it roots from that.
All this hate and all this resentment comes a lot from the way these people are being raised.
The way people around me are being raised.
There's no care for the child.
The child just lives on his own until they're old enough and then they can leave for all they care.
Yeah, and the children of certain minority groups, not all, but children are often raised with this idea, well, remember, white people hate you.
Just for breathing.
White people hate you.
They look down on you.
They feel superior to you.
They don't like you.
They think your food smells bad.
They hate your music.
They don't like the fact that you can dance better.
They just dislike you all around.
Now, go into a white society and succeed.
Off you go!
Literally, that's not even that far from the truth.
I know!
I've been looking for purchasing a home, and a friend of mine who's Black told me, hey, you're not really going to find a good home because it's rigged against Blacks and Hispanics.
They're not going to give you the loan you want or this.
They're going to give you the really high rates and all this other crazy stuff.
That stuff is literally given to people as advice.
Oh, from day one.
Black people say, we have to beat our kids so that they're frightened of white people.
I mean, some, right?
And the reality is, of course, that...
The housing crash, which was disastrous for minorities as well as whites, was because there were too many loans given to people who couldn't afford them, a lot of whom were blacks and Hispanics.
And black-owned banks give fewer loans to black people than white-owned banks.
It's not racism.
Bankers are pretty good at counting and lobbying.
And then I also think it's like the only color that really matters is this green.
You got the money, you got the credit, you got the job.
It doesn't matter what race you are.
They're so deep in it.
There's a weird bubble where it's just us versus them kind of thing.
I'm a huge fan of Queen, right?
What the hell did I know?
When I was a kid, I never thought about race.
I had black friends.
I had Asian friends.
I had an Indian guy named Steven I used to hang out with.
Went to his place for the weekends all the time.
Never thought about it.
I didn't care.
Didn't care.
Love to have continued that way.
That's just not the way life goes.
But anyway.
I totally lost my thought.
Totally.
Wow, that's rare.
Sorry.
Train jumped the tracks.
We've gone AWOL. I was going stepping forward.
No, I remember that.
Oh, the conversation about...
Oh, it's going to be good too!
Oh no!
Come back, Thought!
About basically racism being taught to kill children from the start.
Steph, clearly your thought was afraid of being called racist.
Yeah, that's it.
Son of a bitch.
You know what?
Three o'clock in the morning, I'm going to wake up and call you, Edward.
Is that okay?
Because I'm going to remember.
Wake up, three o'clock in the morning.
We'll just finish that part and we'll splice it into the show.
I hope you don't mind.
Yeah, that's fine.
Good.
I'm a big fan.
I honestly want to thank you so much for all these honest conversations you've had, all these facts.
You're one of very few people who actually links the articles and conversations that you're actually talking about.
Whenever someone comes up to me, like, oh, well, what the hell is he talking about?
Like, it's, like, right there in your comments.
Like, just look it up.
It's right there.
Like, you don't even have to do all the hard work, because he's already done it for you.
And it's such a fresh breath of air, like, to just finally have someone who's, like, trying to, like, really get these facts out there.
And whatever, like, basically, I really, really wanted to do this conversation, and I was, like, really, what's the word?
What's the word?
Anticipating, looking forward to, excited about.
Like anxiety.
I had a lot of anxiety.
What if someone heard this?
What if someone thinks about this?
What would they think about me?
What are they going to say about me?
Because it's going to happen.
People are going to find out.
They're going to see it.
They're going to be like, oh, this guy thought about this the whole time.
And then it's just like, yeah, we have to talk about this.
I have to come on here and talk to you about this because I don't see a lot of people really talking about this and I'm really happy to contribute to this because I'm hoping there's more people like me that just sees the bullshit for what it is.
Yeah, and look, Edward, I mean, I think everyone's going to get, I mean, there'll always be haters, right?
I mean, who cares, right?
They're inconsequential in the general scheme of things.
But you and I are both coming from a very honest and positive place.
I want race relations to get better.
I want everyone to get along better.
And I think that's why, you know, I can get away with this stuff because it really does come from a very positive and loving place for me, recognizing that we are in these societies together.
Right now, shit ain't working.
And there's better ways for things to work.
We have to start acknowledging reality and working together to transfer some of the better practices From every culture.
And I think the fact that it's coming from a positive place for both of us is what will shield us from, you know, just people, oh, racism.
Of course, like, I care about the black community getting better, which is why I won't lie to black people.
You know, I mean, lying to black people is so racist.
I want the Hispanic community to be happier and to do better, to do fantastically.
So I'm not going to lie to the Hispanic community because that would be, oh, well, the poor black and Hispanic community, well, they can't handle any truth.
So I'm just going to pat them on the head and say, oh, it's nothing you're doing.
It's nothing that's nature.
It's just, you know, white racism.
So I'm going to take away all your agency.
I'm going to take away all your responsibility.
I'm going to take the whole burden on myself, like Jesus H. Christ himself.
And I'm going to go crucify myself on the liberal media so that you...
I mean, that would be so racist.
Hispanic people can handle the truth.
Black people can handle the truth.
What society can't handle is people being lied to, especially when those lies generate exactly the kind of hate that people say they're trying to prevent.
It's so ironic that they're creating exactly what they don't want.
It just blows my mind that they can't see that.
Well, I mean, the leftists all want Hispanics and blacks to be dependent on the state.
It's guaranteed votes.
I mean, that's tragic.
And anyway, listen, is it alright if I move on to the next caller?
We had a good old swing at a very challenging issue.
I just wanted to tell you, great conversation, man.
You are welcome back anytime.
I appreciate you breaking ranks now.
I appreciate you giving me the secret password to the Hispanic club of anti-white hatred.
But no, I really appreciate you because you're being very frank and honest.
And that's where we all need to start when we have these conversations.
So I really, really appreciate you calling in.
Yeah, no problem.
It's just one of those things that, like, I can't just, like, be silent about it.
I gotta, like, talk about it.
And I wish, and I hope a lot more Hispanic and Latinos, like, come out and talk about this, too, because I've seen people from the black community come out and talk about it.
So I'm hoping that there's more people in all kinds of racial backgrounds that come out and talk about how they can improve and getting rid of these, like, stigmas in their own culture.
Like, it's I really appreciate having these conversations with you, and you're doing an awesome job, and I hope that things go in the right direction soon.
Oh, we're working on it, man.
So, I just wanted to mention, because of course this is something that comes up a lot, and this idea that Trump was saying that all Mexicans are rapists.
I mean, the man hires thousands and thousands of Mexicans.
Of course, I mean, of course, he's in the construction business, people.
He knows some Mexicans.
He's not hiring thousands of rapists.
What he was talking about, what he was saying, that when Mexico sends its people, now, there are pamphlets that have been around in the sort of early to mid-2000s, which were pamphlets about how to cross the border into America, put out by the Mexican government.
So he's aware of that.
Not a lot of people are.
We're actually going to have that come out as a show.
When he's talking about people being rapists, what he's talking about is an immigration study.
According to directors of migrant shelters, a, quote, staggering 80% of Central American girls and women crossing Mexico en route to the United States are raped along the way.
Now, 80%, it's probably higher.
That's high no matter what, and that's what he was referring to.
Amnesty International.
Previously put the number at 60%, and they said women and girl migrants, especially those without legal status traveling in remote areas or on trains, are at heightened risk of sexual violence at the hands of criminal gangs, people traffickers, other migrants, or corrupt officials.
That's from a 2010 Amnesty International report.
So he wasn't saying all Mexicans are rapists.
He was saying that there is a lot of rapists operating around the border, and if you don't think 80% is a lot, You need to think again.
So thanks again, Edward.
Welcome back anytime.
Appreciate the conversation.
Let's move on to the next.
All right.
Up next is Alex.
Alex wrote in and said, Like you, I am not a fan of the government slash the state.
However, I am also not a fan of the private sector.
Because part of the reason why the U.S. government is so corrupt is because of special interests within the private sector.
I understand in terms of efficiency, but in terms of morality and justice, why should the private sector be trusted over the state?
That's from Alex.
Well, hi Alex.
How are you doing tonight?
Very fine.
It's nice to be talking to you.
Very...
Yes, thank you.
My pleasure.
It's great to be talking to you too, and you bring up a very good question.
And...
I don't want to answer it right away if there's more that you wanted to add or flesh out.
So is there anything you wanted to add to the question?
Well, yeah.
So like I said before, I'm not a big fan of the state anymore.
But that is a fairly recent thing in my line of thinking.
I guess I kind of had a...
A political awakening of sorts.
Like, for example, I live in Pennsylvania, and my state primary was in April.
And, you know, I regret saying this, but I voted for Bernie Sanders.
I wouldn't do that now.
I wouldn't do that now, because I'm not a big...
Well, you voted for Bernie Sanders because you want people to have nice things for free, and who doesn't?
Well, the thing about it is I just didn't get it.
I didn't get the full picture.
I actually caught a lot of millennials.
I mean, I've been to my community college the past year and I hate a lot of them.
I kind of give them kind of slack because they haven't lived in a world that isn't full of crony capitalism.
And so what they do is that they react to that, but they go way far in the other direction.
They go into the direction of socialism and stuff.
And that's the mistake.
I kind of want to tell them that.
Well, it's video games too.
Video games constantly program children to look at Corporations is evil.
I'm looking at you, Liandry Corporation from Unreal Tournament X to Infinity.
Who are the villains in children's stories, in children's movies, in video games?
It's always the real estate developer who wants to pave over the park where the children play and the animals gather.
And it is always the corporations, right?
Think of the movie Alien.
Alien.
Is it the government that is sending?
No, it's the corporation that wants to harvest these monsters for weaponry or whatever, right?
So, what else would they know?
The general...
Pattern?
I mean, look at Bioshock.
Ooh, this is what happens to an objectivist society.
There are zombie children and you've got to spatter their brains across the wall because...
I mean...
Yeah.
Right?
So there's an endless amount of cultural programming.
This is not even...
It's just entertainment.
Not even counting what goes on in government schools and so on.
Oh, yeah.
And so how would they know?
I mean, they would like expected them to come out of the womb speaking fluent Japanese.
I mean, how would they know?
How would you know?
How did I know?
I was a socialist in my teenage years because the idea that everyone was lying to me and controlling me was too terrifying to even consider.
Yeah, it's...
You know, just, you know, looking back retroactively at all of that, like, I don't know, like, I'm almost kind of, like, pissed that I even considered myself part of the left at one point.
Because, like, the thing about it is because, like, you know, particularly in the United States, you know, the left always portrays itself as, you know, for the downtrodden, for the minority, and all that stuff.
But in reality, you don't give a fuck about that.
You don't actually care about that.
Well, they need them, because they have to be downtrodden for you to be concerned about, so the last thing you want to do is get rid of the downtrodden.
You need them.
No, yeah, I know, but obviously they make you think that, like, oh, we're going to make it better and everything like that, but, you know, then you look a little bit...
Like, for me, it took time.
It wasn't like a...
It wasn't something that I just came around to in one day.
It was a process, and then eventually I was just like, well, shit, I was wrong.
Well, no, you weren't wrong.
You were lied to.
Oh.
You can't call yourself an idiot if your GPS takes you to the wrong place, right?
Yeah.
I mean, you've got to trust the people around you when you're growing up.
I mean, that's why cultural nonsense and lies and how the matrix reproduces itself is all children must bond with and be dependent upon their parents, whether their parents' beliefs are true or false.
It doesn't really matter.
Your parents are the example of sexual success.
And if this is what you have to believe in order to reproduce your genes, guess what your genes are going to tell you?
Believe, believe, believe.
Yeah.
You know, and the thing about it, like, I don't know what it is about, like, my particular generation, but they, like, all the forces, and I saw this growing up too, just like, just being in class with a lot of people and, like, you know...
Just the priorities and what they care about.
And it's almost like they were engineered to not focus in on these.
Like, no, don't focus in on these real problems that's going on in the world.
Be concerned about what's going on with fucking Kim Kardashian or some shit.
You know what I mean?
So...
I don't know.
I just feel really sad.
I feel really sad for people of my generation.
I feel sad for the whole future, to be honest.
People have been utterly robbed.
Children have been utterly robbed.
I was robbed, but that robbery is escalating now.
Children have been utterly robbed of their birthright of rational, clear, critical thinking.
They have been replaced with giant umbilical cords leading straight up to the Hildenberg I think we're good to go.
And robbed of their fundamental birthright and the entire purpose of their brains, which is to rationally process and assess information and evidence according to reason.
And this is an unbelievable disemboweling of the human mind and thus an evisceration of the human spirit to have robbed children to this degree.
Yeah, and I think one of the only reasons why I eventually was able to do this is because all my life, as soon as I was able to read, I don't know why, but I've always just been interested in history.
I love studying history.
To be honest, just looking at where we are now in a point of history, it looks like one of those...
Like, you know, when I'm reading the history book, like, oh, wait, like, the shit's about to jump off.
Like, you know, you know what I mean?
But, like, it...
Like, I don't understand, you know, like, people say, like, oh, you know, when are we gonna change, but...
Do you know who Dan Carlin is, the guy who does hardcore history?
Do I know who Dan Carlin is?
He's been on this show!
Oh, okay.
Sorry, it was a while back, but yeah.
No, yeah, and he said something once on a podcast that I thought was very interesting.
He said, like, how long can we stay the way we are, really?
And I think that's almost a more interesting question because, I mean, I don't know if I'm, you know, just kind of...
Just kind of have lost hope or whatever.
But I almost just want to...
You released some video today and you said it's popcorn time.
I almost just want to do that.
I almost just want to kick back and just watch everything go to shit.
Because that's honestly how I see it going.
I honestly don't see any of this getting better without it getting exponentially harder first.
Yeah.
No, I mean, it's like peak social justice warrior nonsense that's going on in campuses these days.
Oh, my God.
I mean, that's all going to end because the student loan debt bubble, which is currently cooking at about a trillion dollars, is all going to collapse.
Then far fewer people are going to end up going to college, which means they'll be able to raise their standards and have intelligent people back in colleges.
Intelligent people can handle free speech.
Idiots can't.
So the fact that they've just had to lower their standard because there's massive amounts of government money rolling in through subsidized loans and benefits and all of that, they just had to let idiots into campuses, and idiots can't handle free speech, which is why they generally don't get much exposure to it.
They just stay on their own little circle of...
Confirmation bias.
So this is all going to end.
I appreciate what some of the tours are doing at the moment to expose this stuff.
I think it's powerful and it's fantastic.
And I applaud Milo in particular for what he's doing.
Oh, I love that.
I love watching those videos.
Those videos are just great.
Watching them talk and then just, you know, I don't know, just watching them be totally defiant to the protesters.
It's great.
Yeah, when I heard he was carried in by like 12 guys, I thought that was just like six guys for each testicle.
I mean, that's just what I assumed, that he was just coming in balls first, like that giant thing that rolls down and almost crushes Indiana Jones at the beginning of the first movie.
So I appreciate it.
But this stuff, it's all going to end anyway, because a student loan bubble is going to bust.
And then colleges are going to collapse down to the smart people.
And smart people can't be taught by dumb people, so they'll have to get smarter professors in, as opposed to the lot of not-so-smart professors, in my opinion, that are around at the moment.
So, you know, it's great that there's this exposure out there.
The exposure won't end it.
The numbers, the finances will end it.
The bubble's gonna bust.
And the colleges will shrink back down to teaching the elite of the intellects as they used to.
And smart people will be out there and you won't have any problem with freedom of speech because smart people don't have much problem with freedom of speech.
Because as Aristotle said, it is one of the fundamental marks of an educated mind to be able to entertain an opposing idea without accepting it.
And yeah, so all of this stuff.
So how is this going to end?
It's going to end because math.
It's going to end because numbers.
It's going to end in the same way that the overbuilding of the housing market ended.
It really just is...
When you get down to it, like you said, the numbers, and when you just get down to the very root causes of almost all the problems we have in this country when it comes to whether...
A lot of it just goes back to the fact that we've had the Federal Reserve for, what, 103 years?
It was 1913, right?
Isn't that when...
Yeah, that's when that was instituted.
I feel like that's when it really goes back.
That's 103 years we've been doing business this kind of way.
We've been doing things this kind of way.
I can't really say anything other than it's so stupid and it drives me mad.
It really does.
Isn't printing your own money one of the things that defines you as a sovereign nation?
No, printing your own money is what defines you as a counterfeiter.
Oh.
That's a criminal action.
And of course, because I'm into universal ethics, it doesn't matter what you call yourself.
You're still a counterfeiter.
No, you should not go.
Money should be entirely privatized.
And of course, it would be mostly electronic and anonymous and all that kind of stuff if that were the case.
But anyway, let's get to the question before I completely forget.
Why should the private sector be trusted over the state?
Well, okay, we're going to have to separate these two up front.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
You can't really talk about religion if the Pope runs your country, like politically.
Of course.
You need a separation of church and state in order to be able to talk about religion.
You need a separation of state and economics in order to be able to talk about corporations as something other than fascistic donors for capitalist benefits, right?
So, in terms of why should the private sector be trusted over the state?
Because you can say no.
You can say no.
You can say no to the private sector.
If the private sector raises the price of something beyond what you want to pay, what do you do?
You just don't buy it.
You don't buy it.
Can they come and steal the money from you?
Can they come to your house and force you to pay for it?
Can they throw you in jail if you don't buy it?
Of course not.
They offer.
You say yes or no.
Now, if the government decides to raise your taxes, What are your options?
Well, you have to.
They send your ass to jail.
So that capacity to say no is the difference between lovemaking and rape.
So why should I trust someone who just wants to have sex with me and wants to seduce me over a rapist?
Well, because you can say no.
Can't say no to the rapist.
Really?
But you can say no to somebody who's just Putting it on display, right?
Yeah.
Making a play for you or whatever, right?
So, yeah.
I mean, the fact that you can say no.
Now, of course, when corporations get the state to do stuff, right?
Some car company gets a state to ban car imports.
Okay, well, that's a problem.
But that's a problem with state power.
The state corrupts everything it touches.
Everything it touches.
You know...
With regards to the old saying, don't hate the player, hate the game.
If you run a corporation and you don't take advantage of political benefits that you could, you are actually in breach of your fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders.
You can get fired.
I imagine you could probably even get sued.
If you allowed your ideology, like if some government offered you Some huge contract and you said no because the government is whatever, right?
Well, then minimum you're probably going to get fired.
Maximum, you could end up being sued and lose everything, right?
So the way that the game is rigged at the moment, corporations must take advantage of it in order to survive.
And I don't know if you've ever been a business owner, but when you are a business owner, when you are an entrepreneur, You really care about your employees.
I mean, I know for me, I was friends with a lot of my employees.
We went on vacations together.
We all went whitewater rafting together.
We all did fun stuff together.
I really liked these people.
And we all hung out even after a lot of us had left the company.
We hung out and see each other from time to time.
And it was really, it was a lovely thing.
And you know, you see the fresh young ladies that you hire get married and have babies.
They bring their babies in.
It's a beautiful thing.
You care about your employees.
And so you don't want to do stuff that is going to destroy everything you've worked so crazily hard to build.
Like, I mean, if you're a CEO, you've spent 20 years or 30 years of 80-hour weeks, endless travel, extra education, nights not seeing your family, nights not seeing your kids.
You have to be a total workaholic to get to the top of the corporate structure.
You're not going to throw that away lightly.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
There's not a lot of ideology that's going to say, well, but...
Now I've become a libertarian.
I'm not taking any government contracts, so I'm going to get fired, so me not seeing my children grow up is totally worth it now.
I mean, people are committed.
They commit it.
They commit.
And so the fact that the government can provide these enormous benefits, and there's no greater return on investment for most corporations than buying a congressman.
Oh, yeah.
I bet.
I mean, they've done studies on this.
Like, it's insane how high the return on investment is.
And you can't not do that if you're in the business world.
So the fact that the power is there means that you have to use it or you go out of business.
Everything you've worked for gets destroyed.
All the people you care about lose their jobs.
All of the customers that you ask to trust you lose their supplier.
I mean, it is a truly brutal thing to go through the bankruptcy or the failure of Or you'll just get bored out and you'll get your ass fired and maybe sued.
So that's just the way the game is at the moment.
And you can bitch at the corporations if you want.
But, you know, if it's a legal move in chess, there's not much point bitching at people who take it, right?
Oh, yeah.
I understand.
I understand that.
That makes sense.
Yeah, it just...
I feel like that, honestly, right there that you're talking about, though, that acknowledgement of, you know, people up top and corporations buying off politicians, you know, I honestly think that that's why,
you know, and it's obvious, but that's why people like Sanders and Trump are doing, you know, like, I already think pretty much That Trump's going to win just because of the fact that he's not part of the establishment.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
I understand.
Like, you know, a lot of people are saying, like, oh, well, you know, he's bombastic this, he said that, he's contradicted himself here.
And, like, what I want to tell these people, like, on TV, you know, in the media, like, nobody cares about that anymore.
Like, nobody cares.
It's not who it usually is.
So that's what's happening.
Because it really doesn't matter because they're doing such a shitty job anyway.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's...
Well, and this is why the media is just firing blanks.
Yeah.
People, look, let's say that you're a terrible racist, right?
Let's say you are, right?
And you hate Asians.
Yeah.
South Asians, right?
You're on the Titanic.
And the ship is going down.
You've got, what, 90 seconds to 120 seconds to survive in that frigid water before you start to get hypothermia and stuff.
And there are a bunch of Asians who are inviting you into the last seat on their lifeboat.
What are you going to choose?
The lifeboat.
You're going to choose the life...
You're going to overcome your race and choose the life...
And this is a way of looking at things in context that everybody deep down understands the unsustainability of the Western model.
Oh.
And so the fact that...
So if Trump is going to...
Bring manufacturing back.
Can you imagine Detroit with manufacturing back to some degree?
Yo, I live in a town...
That's incredible.
So people say, oh, well, he's screaming racism at people like, no, he's the lifeboat.
I don't care.
Yeah.
I don't care.
He's got a seat on the lifeboat for me.
I don't care what you're calling him.
And the media doesn't understand that because they don't spend time with the ordinary American people.
The media live in this incredibly rarefied world where they're all patting each other on the back and Calling each other moral heroes, handing Peabody awards to each other for the most useless bullshit on the planet.
They don't understand what the agony of the average person is.
They spend all their time around Democrats.
They spend all their time around rich people.
They all live in gated communities.
They don't really know any minorities.
They don't have the kinds of conversations we just had on the show with Edward the fantastic Hispanic.
I mean, they don't know.
So to them...
Trump is completely, like, doesn't make any sense.
They don't even think there's any problem with the ship.
They have no idea why people are thundering towards the lifeboats.
But, you know, it's because they can't count.
Just want to point out something here, just to get some facts.
Between 2007 and 2012, 200 of America's most politically active corporations spent a combined $5.8 billion, billion, on federal lobbying and campaign contributions.
Mm-hmm.
$5.8 billion.
What do you think they got back from the government for that in dollar value?
A lot of good stuff.
I mean, I don't know exactly what, but I'm sure it's something that helps them with something in some sort of way.
Well, let me put it to you this way.
Let me put it to you this way.
If you get a 10% ROI, return on investment, that's pretty good.
If you get 50%, that's staggering.
If you get 100%, that's mind-blowing.
It's way more than that.
So they spent $5.8 billion lobbying in campaign contributions.
They got $4.4 trillion, with a T, back in federal business and support.
No, that's like 800 or 900 times ROI. 8 to 900 times ROI. So let's put this in context.
Individual taxpayers pay $6.5 trillion into the federal treasury every year.
$4.4 trillion of that went back to the 200 politically active corporations.
For $5.8 billion of lobbying and campaign contributions.
So in other words, by spending just under $6 billion to bribe the US government, I mean that's about what GM spent on stock buybacks alone recently, US corporations are getting the direct benefit of two-thirds of the US taxpayers' labor.
How can you say no?
If I said to you, listen man, Give me $1,000.
I'm going to give you $850,000 back.
What would you say?
Guaranteed.
Oh, yeah.
Of course.
Tax-free.
It doesn't matter, right?
That would be like...
Of course.
I mean, people play the lottery for that, right?
Yeah.
Put a dollar in the lottery, get $850 back.
That's astounding.
Yeah.
I mean, in my town in particular, there are a...
A lot of Trump supporters.
There's a lot of Bernie supporters.
There are no Hillary supporters where I live for some reason.
Even though I'm in Pennsylvania and she won this state, I've never even seen a Hillary sign anywhere.
Sorry, just before I forget, it's $750,000, not $850,000.
$750,000 back for $1,000.
I did that off the top of my head, but it's $750,000.
Sorry, go ahead.
That's all right.
Yeah, yeah.
I live in a town called Bethlehem.
Bethlehem used to have this thing called Bethlehem Steel.
I literally went to high school.
My high school overlooks the old Bethlehem Steel manufacturing.
Part of it was converted into a casino now.
Like the vast majority of American business, it has gone from manufacturing to gambling.
Yeah, no, yeah.
Hello, bye-bye Main Street.
Hello, Wall Street.
Sorry, go on.
Yeah, it literally, like half of the place literally is a Sands Casino now.
It's actually taking...
Business away from Atlantic City.
And that's a whole other thing.
And that's a consumption good.
That's an entertainment good.
Bethlehem Steel was actually creating stuff.
This is all consumption.
In World War II, Bethlehem Steel made, I forgot, but almost a lot of the tanks.
I think part of the first World Trade Center, too, was made at Bethlehem Steel.
There's a...
Billy Joel song about how in Bethlehem they're all lining up for unemployment or whatever in some song.
And we won't be coming back today.
And we're standing here in Allentown, right?
There we go.
I love Billy Joel, by the way.
One of the few human beings on the planet whose voice got even better when he got older.
But anyway, go ahead.
No, yeah.
Allentown and Bethlehem are kind of like the same kind of metropolitan area.
And that's what that song was about because in the 70s, that's when everything started going downhill for them.
Well, and there is, I mean, the EPA, Environmental Protection Agency, is currently readying Yeah, yeah, it's a big trick.
I mean, like...
I kind of understand why...
I mean, I don't understand because I know the truth now, but I kind of understand why people flock to them.
Because when you say things about, you know, oh, these people in the private sector, these capitalists, are getting things from the government...
I don't know.
It seems to be the two ways different people react.
And some people react by just saying, oh, well, because they're allowed to do that.
Then we gotta get rid of fucking capitalism or anything, which is totally ridiculous.
And everything like that.
And then there's the more sensible reaction.
But that's really why.
Like, I remember when I first heard Bernie Sanders, the reason why I liked him at first is because he was the only person in the Democratic primary who was pointing out, like, oh, hey, you're getting money from this person.
Like, why should we trust you?
You know what I mean?
So...
There was that.
But yeah, I just, I remember, you know, because I would drive, I graduated last year, but I would always pass these steelworks every day on my way to school.
And I would just be like, you know, wow, you know, if this was like 50 years ago, I could graduate out my school.
And, you know, like my grandfather did, like he graduated high school.
You know, got some, you know, manufacturing job, you know, started building a family.
Then when he was ready and knew what he wanted to do with his life, then he moved on and started going to college and stuff like that.
And, like, that just sucks because, like, I can't do that.
Like, there's no opportunity for that because it's gone.
And, like, I hate that.
You know, I'm still, you know, I can't.
Well, and because it's gone, other jobs won't pay as much because there's less competition for your labor.
Exactly.
Like, if you never want to set foot in a manufacturing plant, You still benefit from there being manufacturing plants because it siphons off labor that otherwise might be competing for whatever you're doing, which drives the price of your labor up.
So...
First of all, the idea that Bernie Sanders wants to get money out of politics is not true.
He's going to steal from the rich and give to the poor and absolve people of their student debt and bribe here and bribe there and give people more leave.
It's just bribery.
He's not even remotely interested in getting money out of politics.
That's sort of a misnomer.
Compared to Hillary...
Compared to Hillary, I mean, she's bought and paid for.
She'll follow that ring of political power like Gollum over the cliff edge of Mount Doom.
But he's no sane.
The guy didn't have a real job until he was 40 and then his only real job was working in the government.
Jesus, what the hell does this guy know about the market?
I mean, he probably never even played Monopoly as a kid.
It's too monopolistic.
Yeah, and, you know, I see what's, you know, I see, you know, I personally, when I, I like to listen to, like, all the different mediums, you know, like, I listen to you, and even the people that I don't like,
like, I like listening to what they're saying on there, so I just, so I know what they're saying, and where they're, you know, not that I even understand where they're coming from, I just like knowing to hear what they're talking about, And everything like that.
And when I see Hillary people, I'm just waiting because, you know, every poll, like every week I see it, you know, he gets, Trump gets ahead of her, you know, every little week he keeps being ahead and ahead and they're in this bubble where it's just so impossible, impossible.
And like the thing about it too is I don't even think that Donald Trump is like a perfect person, but what he's like doing, what he's bringing.
Of course, I mean, that's a false, I mean, of course he's not a perfect person.
Who is?
But all you need to know about the Democratic Party is that in a recent survey, 71% of Democrats said that Hillary should still run, even if she's indicted for her email scandal.
And it's more than a scandal.
The email, I've got a whole truth about the Hillary email thing.
So, I mean, it's an unbelievably destructive and disastrous situation.
And so, 71% of Democrats, they don't give a shit.
So she's under indictment for completely destroying U.S. security and putting lives at risk and having foreign governments read the most sensitive things in the U.S. government.
So she's under indictment for that.
Fuck that.
She's going to keep those cheddar balls rolling down the hill into my mouth.
I don't give a shit.
I don't care if the guy who gives me my lottery winnings is a pedophile.
I just want my money.
Shut up and give me the goddamn money.
This is why they're a bunch of yapping birds looking for someone to regurgitate a fucking worm down their throats.
But they don't care.
Because the people on the right, like the conservatives, they think that this shit should matter to people.
Well, she endangered national security.
She lied.
She obstructed all the stuff that she's accused of.
And the drip-drip of all of these reports coming out, no, she never asked for permission, and no permission would never have been given.
Oh yes, well apparently she did do it to avoid freedom of information requests.
Oh, she said she gave 30,000 emails back to the State Department and those were all the work-related emails.
Now the fact that they're subpoenaing other people and checking out other people's emails, they're finding tons of emails she didn't turn over that are crucial.
So she lied under oath.
And the people on the right are saying, well, I guess she must be done then.
Because they think it matters to the Democrats that she may have done all of this unbelievably horrendous stuff.
It doesn't matter to them.
She is the lockpick to open the purse of the Fed for them.
They don't care about the character.
It's like in Ocean's Eleven, you know, there's that tiny...
Gymnast who fits inside, I don't know, a gun barrel or whatever.
He goes inside a Pez dispenser or something like that.
Like, if you're a criminal gang, you don't care if your lock picker is a good or bad guy.
You just want him to open the goddamn lock and get you the money.
The safe picker, the locker, I mean, you don't care.
They're a bunch of criminals, my opinion, a bunch of criminals.
They want all the government money.
And the fact that Hillary Clinton might be indicted...
I don't care.
Can she get me the money?
Then I'm with her.
I don't care about the ethics.
I don't care about national security.
I don't care about government secrets.
I don't care about lives being put at risk.
I don't care about failed negotiations.
I don't care that foreign governments read everything secret about the US government.
I don't care!
Just give me the money.
And this is where Republicans are always underestimating.
Always underestimating the degree of corruption on the Democrat side.
And that's why the Democrats are able to get away with so much.
And then the media then says, ah, yes, but you see, Donald Trump said he was going to raise millions for the vets, and then he took some time to vet the vet organizations, the veterans organizations, to make sure they were on the up and up.
So there was some delay in getting the $5.6 million that Trump raised in one event alone to go to the veterans groups.
There was some delay because he wanted to make sure it wasn't Bob's House of Veterans in Puerto Rico or something like that.
He wanted to make sure they won the up and it took a little time.
Evil guy, terrible guy.
Hillary's given $70,000 to the vets.
And Trump's $5.6 million took a little bit of time to get across.
And this is the level that they're working at.
And she spends 70,000...
She gives the vets $70,000 and she sends them to fight in stupid, pointless wars.
I mean, if you...
If you look at a lot of the foreign policy, the traditional wisdom in America is like, oh, Republicans like war, Democrats don't like war, but it's completely flipped.
This scenario, Donald Trump doesn't want to send our troops and die in a pointless war.
Also, what I never really got is like Even when I, you know, identified as being on the left one, you know, I heard the stuff about Hillary's email scandal and, you know, certain things came out like, you know, oh, she, you know, made her thing just straight out Clinton email, like, you know, totally nondiscreetly, like, just acted, you know, really damn stupid.
And I think one of the reasons why a lot of people, you know, don't look at it, but, and I'm talking about like regular Democratic voters.
I'm not talking about, um, I know her donors.
I'm talking about regular people who identify as Democrats.
Because honestly, I think that when they read it, their reaction would be, no one can be this stupid.
No, nobody, no one would actually, like, nobody in the government.
No, you see, you're trying to give excuses to them again.
No, no, no, I swear I'm not, because I've told, I've told people.
They don't care how stupid she was, they only care that she can crack the safe for them.
But I've actually, like, I've actually, like, talked to my friends who, like, are on the left, and I'm like, no, like, watch this video, do that, and they see it, and they're just like, oh, that is bad.
But they don't like Hillary anyway, because there, there is, like, There's definitely a divide in the Democratic Party.
Listen, just before we get into that, I just want people to get the big picture of Hillary.
Hillary might do what Hitler was unable to do.
Hillary might have already done what Hitler was unable to do, which is to destroy Western civilization, as it was known at the time.
Because Gaddafi, on knowing that Hillary was interested in helping topple his regime, Gaddafi in Libya said, North Africans and Europe.
I'm securing my borders.
They can't come through Libya to get to Europe.
If you topple me, the migrants are going to flood into Europe.
And what does she work at?
She worked at helping to topple Gaddafi.
Yeah, and then there's that...
And now the migrants are pouring into Europe.
They're being held briefly in Turkey, and Turkey is threatening to unleash them on the Europe unless Turkey's millions and millions and millions of Muslims get free access to go live wherever the hell they want in Europe.
So, I mean, the emails is bad enough, but the emails didn't cause the potential destruction of Europe.
But the fact that she was engaged in working with the toppling of Gaddafi, Opened up Libya, destroyed Libya, exacerbated civil wars in Syria, helped foment ISIS, and comes the tide to Europe.
It's a war crime.
What she has openly talked about in her emails is the toppling of a foreign government not threatening the United States.
That is a war crime.
You know, if you were a...
World War I trench soldier, and you didn't go over the wall when they told you to?
They shot you in the mud.
Yeah.
It's...
I don't...
So this idea, well, no one could be that...
I mean...
Oh, my God.
I mean...
But the thing...
This is like a potentially civilizing...
Civilization-ending witch...
And 71% of people are like, yeah, I'll vote for her.
She's getting indicted, who cares?
Okay, well then that must just be my last vestige of hope for humanity then, because that was my reaction to it.
Like, when I saw that, that was my reaction to it.
Like, oh no.
That's bad.
I was wrong, but...
No, don't confuse leftists with humanity.
Don't confuse something with its antonym, right?
I mean, don't let the leftists have you despair for humanity.
I'm a human being.
I hope that leftist corruption wouldn't have you lose any faith you might have in my moral and intellectual prowess and virtue, so don't let them drag you down.
No.
All right, listen, I got to move on to the next caller, but I really, really appreciate the conversation.
It was a great pleasure.
And feel free to call back anytime.
Thank you for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Alright, up next is Mike.
Mike wrote in and said, This leaves me with an ethical quandary.
Do I remain celibate and alone for years at a time until I connect with someone with a long-term potential?
Or continue preying on unrealistic women and then dumping them when they demand a serious commitment?
That's from Mike.
Hello, Mike.
Hello.
How you doing?
I'm well.
How are you?
I'm very well, thank you.
You know, I was tired coming into the show.
But I got my groove on.
I got my mojo back.
And I was like, oh, who do I have to blow to not do a show tonight?
But anyway, so I'm glad that we're able to have a chat.
Tell me a little bit more about this.
Well, I've been single for many, many years.
And I've dated many, many women and had many relationships with many women.
Wait, okay.
Let's get some numbers here.
Are we talking like man-whore territory?
I mean, were we harem territory?
Where are we?
Do they call you the sultan of big swinging dick?
What have we got?
No, not Wilt Chamberlain type of dating.
I don't know how that guy had any time to play basketball, but that's a topic for another time.
No, just regular.
Not an extraordinary number.
Not too many one-night stands, but short relationships, meeting women on the internet primarily.
What do you mean by short?
Like weeks, months?
Weeks, months, right.
And how many women have you slept with?
Sorry, you don't have to answer anything, but give me a ballpark because I asked the women, and I think it's fair to ask the men too.
I'm 42, and I've never been married.
Is it around your age?
Is that the secret hint that you put in?
I'm 42.
It's 42 women I've slept with.
Is that what you mean?
I really have no idea.
It must be about...
My age might be about right.
Okay, so 40, 50 kind of women you step with?
Maybe 30 to 50.
I don't know.
But not...
You should pull an Alanis Morissette and write him down one time.
It might be interesting.
It would.
I should do that at some point.
But what I'm most concerned about...
I could go on a rant about the decisions that single women are making these days.
I don't know how helpful it is.
Do they involve credit cards and single motherhood?
No.
I've dated one single mother.
It's not so much about having babies.
The issue that I see with...
And I'm talking about...
Women that were raised by doting fathers who invested a lot in their education, women who are successful and moderately attractive to very attractive.
What I see them doing, or average to very attractive, I'm not talking about ugly women, but women that could easily get married when they're in their 20s.
They're dating men who are a little bit or very much out of their league and they're entranced by the elusiveness and the bad boy attitude of these guys.
Sorry, out of their league how?
Because that's a pretty broad category.
Well, for men, that would include looks.
It would include things like social status, things like fame in certain places.
Oh, so they're playing the pottery.
In other words, like I talked about this in The Truth About the John Gomeshi trial, right?
So you had these actresses who were trying to bag...
One of the alphas of the Canadian entertainment world, whatever that's worth.
And they couldn't get him to commit.
And there's some theories as to why that might have been some hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn vengeance thing.
So they're trying to hypergamy their way up to their maximum alpha that they could possibly get to settle down, right?
Exactly.
And that's natural.
That's what women do.
I mean, they try and get...
Everybody does.
Everybody tries to get the most attractive person they possibly can.
I'm not so sure that that was always natural.
I think that if women follow their whatever-feels-best-at-this-moment instincts, then yes, they will chase the hottest guy, most exciting, mysterious guy they can get at any given moment.
No, no, no, hang on, hang on, hang on.
I didn't say hottest, right?
What I said is that women, like as a man, you want to get the most attractive woman.
I don't just mean pretty, right?
But you want to get the most attractive person that you can.
And women want to get the most attractive man that they can.
And that's hypergamy.
They're always looking to trade up.
And in the past, let me very briefly just discuss this for the people who don't know this.
So in the past, a woman would get married in her late teens or in her early 20s.
And she would take a gamble.
She would take a risk.
Because that would be prior to the man getting a lot of resources.
Right?
Because, you know, if you're going to have a bunch of kids, you need a guy who's got a bunch of resources, right?
And...
They would marry this guy, and then they would be invested in his success, and they would work very hard to make him successful, because the more successful their man is, then the more resources, you know, absent the welfare state and all this other stuff, right?
They needed the man to provide their resources.
So they would, you know, there was an old saying, behind every great man is a good woman, right?
Helping him and supporting him, and that was selfish for her.
I mean, good, it's a win-win, right?
So she would have to choose a man based upon his future earning potential.
But what she brought to the table was already immediately evident, right?
Youth, fertility, vitality, health, and all that kind of stuff, right?
So she'd have the lustrous hair, the hourglass figure, the even features like the clear eyes, whatever it would be that would be the markers of health.
Now, there was still a risk.
She might be infertile.
I think one out of ten married couples have problems with fertility and so on.
But that was the way that it worked.
So she would have to do the very best that she could to choose a man with future potential, and then she'd have to work very hard to make sure that he achieved that future potential.
And that's why nagging was sometimes less in the past, because if you nag a man, you break his spirit, and he can't succeed in the cutthroat world of going out and getting resources.
So this is one of the reasons why nagging, I think, has kind of gone up, and we've got more...
Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction than Barbara Billingsley in Leave it to Beaver these days.
And so this idea that you want to get the best, well the man chooses the best based upon looks and personality when the woman is young and he knows what he's getting and her value is going to decline over time.
But the woman has to choose based on future potential what she's then invested in helping to bring to reality and therefore The man's value, sexual market value, goes up over time.
The woman's sexual market value goes down over time.
Man has more resources.
Woman has older eggs and then eventually can't get pregnant at all.
And so in the past, the fact that women wanted the very best they could get was something that they had to sort of intertwine themselves into and work to bring to fruition and work to help the man be successful.
So that's what I sort of mean by hypergamy.
There's nothing wrong with it.
It's perfectly healthy.
Now, the difference is That women have been told, have kids later, which is a terrible idea, in my opinion.
And the government will support them in ways that 50 years ago, the richest man in the world could not support them.
Right?
In terms of like the luxuries that they're able to get a hold of these days through the government and through the free market and so on.
And so now what's happened is women are tortured by Hypergamy.
Hypergamy plus the state has become pathological.
It's gone from sort of healthy growth to tumoresque cancerous overgrowth, right?
The women are constantly looking to trade up, constantly looking to get up, get further, and they can't ever settle.
They can't ever settle these days because they're tortured by the hypergamous instinct that is not limited by an early commitment to monogamy.
I'm not saying you agree with it at all, but does it sort of make some sense?
Yes, I agree with almost all of it.
The one aspect that I think I diverge from your explanation is that when the women, let's say the average The average age for first marriage in 1980, I think, was 22 years old.
And I think of that movie, The Graduate, where she was expected to get married.
The female lead was expected to get married to that fraternity guy right after college, which now would be very unusual.
And there was pressure on her to find a guy to marry at that very young age.
And so there was pressure to find a guy and to match up.
And I think back then, if a woman were, let's say, a five, okay, let's just generalize.
I know it's hard to do, but if we say a woman, based on all the factors that we evaluate women on is a five.
So, yeah, we're not just talking looks, but character, personality, intelligence, wit, charm, all that stuff, right?
Correct.
And then you have a guy that is a 5, based on all the factors that women care about with men.
The two of them would match up.
Because if she had a one-night stand with a 7 and an 8, and had a short-term relationship with a 6, she's going to end up without a husband, and her life is going to be ruined.
Well, certainly she's not going to end up even with a five.
So if she goes for the six or the seven or the eight, she may bag them, but then she's going to have to settle for a three or a four because the fives don't want her because she got used up by the other guys, right?
Right.
Or nothing.
The way that I see what's happening now is that women that are fives or sixes or whatever are having series of relationships with men that are sixes and sevens They inevitably get dumped because the men are just, you know, they're entertaining themselves.
And then they end up 35 and then they tell people I've dated the wrong types of guys.
And I see all these profiles online.
These women in their 30s, late 30s, early 40s, I've been dating the wrong types of guys.
And now I realize I like nice guys, which means men that are at their level and really want them and Sure.
Well, what they mean is that they overshot, right?
hypergamy led them hypergamy plus vanity led them to try to bag guys that they couldn't actually get to commit to them right right and it it is it is sort of like watching a herd of buffalo running off the side of a cliff watching this occur I was with the buffaloes this show, but sorry, go on.
Watching this occur.
And it's a little sad.
I mean, I used to feel some vindication at some of these.
I mean, the women tend to get more and more desperate.
And now it's just, it's a little sad.
And I'm hoping that there's going to be some kind of an awakening.
But it's so against the grain of our current political correctness to tell women, you should not wait until even your 30s to get married.
Well, shit, politicians don't want that.
Because when women choose to go to work, why the fuck does everyone say to women at their most fertile, postpone it till later?
When you're broken up by a series of bad relationships, when your eggs are old, and there's another genetic thing we'll get into in a second.
Well, because politicians want women to go to work now because they then generate taxes now.
If you can get women to go to work now and defer having children, you get more tax money and you have to spend less of it on children.
Children are a huge expense for the government.
It takes people out of the workforce.
They've got to provide daycare.
They've got to provide healthcare.
It's hugely expensive.
So why the hell would any politician want women to have children now?
When they can say, oh, have them later.
Go to work now.
That way we can tax the living shit out of you.
And then after I'm retired, we can deal with the demographic crater called you didn't have kids when you should have.
And women, listen to this stupid shit.
I remember years ago there was a card game that we used to play called Old Maid, which I don't know if they played that in Canada or not.
I don't know either.
I grew up mostly in England, but I remember the game.
Go ahead.
Just sort of emblematic of the fact that we refuse to talk about how women should not wait forever to find someone to marry.
They shouldn't hold out for the guys that are not pursuing them for marriage.
That game would not be sold in stores today.
It would be considered offensive.
Right.
Right.
Because socialists want more money.
And the best way to get that is to get women to defer childbirth until later on in life if it ever happens.
They don't care later.
They don't care about women's happiness.
They don't care about the future of their culture or their group.
They just want tax money in the here and now.
They have the same relationship to tax money people on the left that crack addicts have to crack.
They don't care about whether their teeth are going to fall out three days from now.
They just want their hit now.
So let me, from someone from my perspective, the ethical quandary that I identified in the question, is it wrong,
these women that are self-destructive and don't think about the, get into relationships without even considering long-term, short-term, is this someone that might Have a commitment in mind.
Is there some kind of...
Is it wrong?
Does it not...
Is it buyer beware?
I'm sorry, can you synthesize that question?
Well, if all of the women that are Well, nearly all of the women in the dating market will only date men that are sort of elusive and slightly, let's say, out of their league, generalizing, obviously.
Because I keep having relationships that end with me feeling like I disrupted somebody's life and maybe I should have not started it in the first place.
But that's what all these women seem to be doing.
Is they keep getting into relationships that rather than finding...
And I've been on both sides of the equation.
I've been the nice guy where I've met women that are attractive enough where I wanted something I could have seen wanting something long term.
And I didn't seem as elusive and...
Mysterious and inaccessible.
So the attraction level drops and someone who's wealthier and has more going on, they'll go after them.
So I've seen it from both perspectives.
But most often, I don't feel guilty in those circumstances, but where I've had relationships with women and one ended not too long ago and And I told her, look, I'm not right for you over and over again.
Her family told her.
And she just kept going.
And she's still trying to make amends after it's been over for a while.
And she should be going after another type of guy.
Yeah, okay.
Well, let's...
I just want a big picture for a sec before we dive into that.
So the poem written by Robert Haram, this is in the 17th century, a long time ago.
So the issue of women not picking something and then being too old, like they don't pick the right man and then they end up too old to get married.
This is really old.
You can go all the way back to ancient Greece for this.
But this is the poem.
It's pretty short.
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.
Old time is still a-flying.
And this same flower that smiles today, tomorrow, will be dying.
The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun, the higher he's a-getting.
The sooner will his race be run, and nearer he's to setting.
That age is best, which is the first, when youth and blood are warmer, but being spent the worse, and worst times still succeed the former.
Then be not coy, but use your time, and while ye may, go marry!
For having lost but once your prime, you may forever tarry.
So there's this weird thing that happened in like the 20th century where everybody said all of the accumulated wisdom of history is shit.
It's all prejudice.
We're bound by nothing.
We're restrained by nothing.
We can make man and women into whatever we want.
We can make a new Soviet man.
We can make a new fascist man.
We can take men and turn them into soldiers for years of trench warfare.
All of the accumulated wisdom of history was just considered to be rank prejudice, all tossed aside.
Murray Rothbard wrote about this in the 60s, where he said, you know, everybody's just living together and having sex.
Like, there's no such thing as crabs.
Why bathe, they say.
A bathing is a bourgeois prejudice.
It's like, well...
You're going to get some pretty serious crotch rot and rashes.
They all had to learn this shit again.
There was this weird vanity that popped up in the 20th century.
Oh, we don't need any of this old wisdom.
Marriage is a prejudice.
Why do you need a mom and a dad?
A mom can do just fine.
And we don't need private institutions to take care of each other.
We hand it all over to the state.
And this poem itself is like...
Chicks, when you're young, you're hot.
When you're old, you're not.
So get married when you're at your peak sexual market value.
Otherwise, nobody's going to want your used up old coos, right?
It is such common sense.
We've been talking about this gorilla just got shot.
I'll bet in gorilla society, they make sure that their females find a good mate when they're young.
They don't just cast off the females to go cavorting with gorillas in leather jackets with motorcycles.
They find a nice gorilla.
It is so elemental that young females should find the proper mate when they...
Well, I mean, everyone is different, but if a woman wants to get married and have a family, the notion that she should be dating and having sex with lots of men until she's 39 or 40...
And working hard and developing a career and having lots of boyfriends until she's 39 or 40 is completely absurd.
And another thing that women don't seem to understand is men really don't care that much about how much money they make or how successful they are or what their title is or how many degrees they have.
We really don't.
We are more concerned about Whether they're nice to be with and how attractive they are and how youthful they are.
That is the most important.
And I see this too with lots of women.
They do not understand how much more attracted we are to them generally when they're 24, 25 versus even 35.
They are completely unaware for the most part.
Yes, because, of course, the media shows them all of these polished-up Jennifer Lopez airbrushed vixens who are in their 30s and look fantastic.
It's like, well, yeah, but she's got like a $20,000 laser youth machine in her, and she's got makeup artists, and they only shoot her from certain angles, and she spends four hours a day working out, and she's genetically gifted, right?
And so they look at these freaks- Of nature, and they're genuine freaks of nature, and they say, well, you know, they still look hot.
And it's like, it doesn't matter.
The eggs change no matter what.
Like, the eggs are going to get old.
I don't care how good they look in a bikini.
I don't care how many sit-ups they did that morning.
The eggs are still old.
I don't think that there's a woman alive, fundamentally, who doesn't know that men find more youthful women attractive.
That's why they get so depressed when they hit the wall.
When they get to be 30 or they get early 30s, the attention dries up.
I think that there's a pre-wall.
I think once they hit the wall, then they see no one looks at them anymore when they walk down the street.
But even pre-wall, there is a huge drop-off for women.
From when they used to get married at 22, 23, there's a huge drop-off even...
Because Wall, I guess, could have different definitions.
But I think for a lot of...
For good-looking women, Wall could be late 30s, mid to late 30s.
But there's a huge drop-off in attractiveness level between...
Well, no, no, no.
But the Wall...
It's not just about attractiveness level.
I mean, I dated an older woman.
And one of my big concerns was...
We're in a rush.
Like, if I wanted to settle down, we're in a big rush because your eggs are getting older.
And she looked fantastic.
But I knew about...
I mean, it's not that hard to look up.
So even...
There's a time pressure then that happens.
Even if she looks fantastic, if she's in her mid to late 30s, there's a time pressure that you're not going to get with a 22-year-old.
I think there's also another...
This is getting...
Well, with regards to fertility, I think there is a lot of denial out there, especially with the...
There's been a little bit of scientific progress in the last 10 or 20 years, I suppose.
But I don't think it's going to...
Unless you freeze your eggs, which maybe women are going to start doing, unless they do that...
I think that they grossly overestimate what science can offer them, and they're in denial in that respect, and then they wake up when they want to get married in their early 40s.
They have no idea what their prospects are.
I think they grossly overestimate their prospects in terms of fertility.
No, and look, I mean, if you're getting your eggs sucked out and thrown in a freezer bag, you may have departed a little bit from what nature intended.
That's just something that's kind of weird.
That reminds me of another aspect of women wanting to marry when they're in their late 30s, which is, from a male's perspective, what I think, and I tend to date younger than that,
but I've dated women that age before, and if I were to marry women that age, I would think, how many men Had you, when you were at the prime of your beauty, who were you sleeping with at that time?
And would you have dated me when you were...
What was I doing in 19-whatever?
And would you have dated me at that point?
And how many...
Why wouldn't you have married me when you were at the peak of your beauty instead of, you know, going on a yacht to the Greek islands with, you know, some...
There was a Saudi prince!
Right.
So she spent her time of high sexual market value on guys who didn't want to commit to her.
And she bypassed you in order to chase after the alphas Who didn't care about her enough to marry her.
And now she's willing to settle for you.
How's that going to make you feel?
Right.
And I don't mean to sound...
She's so desperate, right?
I'm not saying you, but that's the reality, right?
Right.
And that's what a lot of men who settle down with these women, they are sort of the chumps who took the...
Well, you know, I don't want to sound too cruel about it, but...
A lot of these women, you know, they maximize the return on their physical assets in their 20s.
And I think about it, if I could have spent my 20s dating women that were better looking than me, would pay for my entertainment, and would plan all of our dates, Why would I want the fun to stop?
And that's essentially what a lot of these women were getting.
They were getting guys who would date them short term, kind of use them, and have fun with them.
And then they didn't want to marry them.
I was one of those guys as well.
I had plenty of women that I dated short-term having absolutely no intentions of taking it long-term.
I can't complain so much.
I've had some benefits to this system.
I would have rather married in my 20s to a woman who was Of about equal looks and intelligence and so forth.
I would have preferred it that way.
It doesn't seem to be the way that women want.
They seem to be looking, what will maximize my pleasure at this given moment?
Why didn't you settle down in your 20s?
I think, well, there's always lots of reasons for everybody, but there were, it's a little bit too complicated of a question, but I've always lived in it's a little bit too complicated of a question, but I've always lived in cities, large cities, and And women just don't seem to be marriage-minded in the cities that I've lived in.
So you never met any marriage-minded women?
No, I have, but the women that have been most interested in me, and this goes back to this hypergamy issue, which is the women seem to be interested in guys that I believe, and I'm not, this isn't just...
No, no.
Look, I already heard this story.
Okay.
So...
You met marriage-minded women in your 20s.
People in cities do get married.
I got married while living in a city.
So you can meet marriage-minded women.
You did meet marriage-minded women, but you didn't marry them.
Why?
It's not an accusation.
I'm just curious.
Well, the ones that I would have married dumped me before I could marry them.
And the ones that I... Oh, so they wanted to get married, they just didn't want to get married to you?
Well, actually, I don't know if any of them got married, to be honest.
No, but you said they were marriage-minded.
Come on, don't make me work this hard.
I mean, it's late.
You met marriage-minded women who didn't want to get married to you because they dumped you.
But why did they dump you if they wanted to get married?
I don't know if any of them got...
I was speculating when I said that.
Wait, wait, hang on.
Are you backing away from the statement that they were marriage-minded?
Yes, because I don't really know if any of these women got married or not.
How did you know that they might be married?
Come on, man.
What made you think they were marriage-minded?
Marriage-minded is a little bit of an open term for me.
I mean, we didn't discuss marriage.
I mean, they came from...
Well, if they were marriage-minded and you never brought up marriage, I'm not surprised they left you, right?
Was there any woman in your 20s that you ever brought up the topic of marriage with?
No.
Not in terms of let's get married in...
So you weren't marriage-minded in your 20s?
Had I met a woman that I liked enough?
tough yes certainly in my thirties In your 30s, you were marriage-minded?
Absolutely.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Now, in your 30s, did you meet any women who were marriage-minded?
What would be evidence of marriage-minded?
Discussing marriage openly?
Should we get married if we date?
A woman who says, I want to get married.
Oh, but they all do.
That's not incomprehensible, is it?
But they all do.
The problem is, is what they...
Okay, good.
Okay, good, good.
So they all want to get married.
In your 20s, you did not meet a woman that you wanted to marry.
In other words, you thought that there was going to be a better woman coming along, right?
No, I can think of one offhand that I liked well enough where I would have kept dating her.
But...
It didn't go long enough for us to get...
Oh, I can't stand these passive constructions.
It didn't go on.
I mean, you're in the relationship, right?
I mean, it's not like you were unconscious and a truck drove over you.
Oh, no, she dumped me.
There's no question about that.
Oh, and why did she dump you?
She started dating a colleague, an older colleague, and was choosing between the two of us.
Okay, so you would have thought about marrying her, but she wanted somebody else.
Right.
Okay.
Well, I'm sorry.
That's obviously a painful thing to go through.
Now, how many women did you date in your 20s?
No, it wasn't painful?
Well, it was, you know, 15 years ago maybe, but not now.
Okay.
But I'm not saying it's painful now.
I'm just saying I'm sorry it was painful then.
Okay.
So how many women did you date in your 20s?
I don't know.
I mean...
A lot.
Okay, 10?
20?
I mean, you said it's a couple of weeks, couple of months relationship.
So I would guess between 10 and 20, right?
Yes.
Okay, so there were 10 and 20 women of whom only one did you even think about marrying, right?
So you have a 5 to 10% dating to potentially thinking about marriage with the women that you're dating, right?
Just rough numbers, right?
Okay.
Okay.
Wait, you're saying okay like I'm cornering you?
I'm working off the numbers that we're sort of roughly going with, right?
Okay, I think that's not...
That might be a little optimistic, but okay.
You mean it's lower than 5% or 10%?
I would say I meet a woman that I know that I might want to marry.
It happens to me once every couple years.
Once every three years, maybe.
No, no, but you're dating these other women.
So you dated lots of women.
You knew that you didn't want to marry.
Yes.
And while you're dating them, you're not available for a woman you might want to marry, right?
Because you're dating.
I assume you're dating and not sleeping around on the woman you're dating, right?
That's true, but nowadays, we can just go...
No, no, no.
Forget now.
We're talking about your 20s.
We'll get to now.
So, you were chasing a lot of tales in your 20s that you didn't want to marry.
And you're complaining about women's hypergamy?
How is it what you're complaining about with women is not what you did?
I'm genuine.
Maybe I'm missing something here, so I'm genuinely happy to be corrected.
Okay, because I view hypergamy as dating someone who is...
Has a higher single market value or higher social class than you.
Okay, so you wanted to date women that you didn't like enough to marry, so they must have had some other compensatory factor, right?
I mean, I assume they weren't.
I don't want to marry them.
They have one tooth and they're 300 pounds, right?
Well, I wanted to sleep with them.
Okay, okay, okay.
So they had physical attractiveness that more than compensated for the fact that you didn't like them that much.
And it is also nice to have female companionship, even if...
No, no, I get that.
But you can get quality female.
So you went for hot rather than really likable, right?
No, no, no, no.
These are women that maybe thought I was drop-dead gorgeous, and I thought they were okay looking.
Okay, so you didn't like them, and they were much less attractive than you.
No, maybe not much less, but they were maybe a little less.
Okay, you didn't like them that much, and they were somewhat less attractive than you.
If you want me to split hairs, we can waste time splitting hairs if you want, or we can just go with the conversation, right?
That's a big distinction, though.
It's really not that big a distinction.
They were less attractive than you, and you didn't want to marry them.
- So did you date them because they would sleep with you because you were attractive, right? - Because of the physical relationship, Because they were willing to sleep with you.
So you were actually, because you were more attractive than them, right?
Physically you're more attractive than these women, right?
So the only reason they would sleep with you is because they want to trade up.
Because they have hypergamy.
So it's weird that you're complaining about hypergamy, which you exploited throughout your 20s.
I think I admitted that.
Okay, so you've exploited hypergamy, and the fact that you are the guy that women wanted to trade up for, but you are complaining that women date guys that they want to trade up for.
But you are one of the guys that women date that they want to trade up for.
Yes.
Does this strike you as interesting at all?
Yes, that's why I called.
Because, I mean, yes, this is the only way that A lot of men...
I think there must be other men in my situation where the only way for us to actively date, it seems, is we encounter these women that...
The ones that are...
It seems that the women that are...
Their standards are so high...
That it is...
They will date men.
The only ones...
It's like a transaction that breaks down where the seller is demanding a price that's too high.
And...
Right.
But you're that guy.
They want to trade up to you and you dump them.
Or they dump you or something goes wrong.
But they're dating you who's more attractive than they are.
Maybe more successful.
Maybe more likable.
And so they're...
Reaching too far up the hypergamy ladder.
You use them for sex.
They use you for status, arm candy or sex, whatever, right?
And it doesn't work out.
And so what happened was you chose to have sex or you chose more easily accessible women because you were an alpha.
Maybe you still are in terms of like sexual market value.
You were an alpha.
And so women were willing to sleep with you in the hopes that you'd commit.
You didn't commit.
You kept moving on.
So I don't see how the fault of the problem here is women.
Because you chose sex over marriage.
Here's why I think the fault is the decision making on the part of women.
The reason is, is because if women who were, let's say, a 5, were content with a man who were a 5, an average guy, guy who wasn't rich, wasn't good looking, was nothing, just an average guy, Then we would have a market that functioned.
So let's say I'm a six.
My standards are not abnormal.
I've dated very attractive women.
I've dated okay-looking women.
My standards, though, I have also been very, very into women that were not drop-dead gorgeous just because I like their personalities.
I think my standards are about at my level, but I think that The market is breaking down because women can't be contented with their commensurate level guy.
And they're...
Sorry, go ahead.
There was an OkCupid study.
I think the guy that owns OkCupid uses the data and publishes these interesting studies.
The women ranked all the guys as average, below average, above average.
I don't remember what the scale was.
They found that the guys ranked...
The men ranked the women also, and I think the men ranked, if you scaled all the rankings, you got average.
So the men were evenly assessing the women.
Yeah, we've talked about this before.
The women rated all the guys below average, and the men were more realistic, and the women thought the guys were less attractive.
Yes.
Yeah, I got it.
And that's what I think is making the market malfunction.
That's the reason you're not married, is that women misrate some guys on OkCupid.
Is that your argument?
My argument is that the force or the phenomenon that is making women rank guys incorrectly on OkCupid is also affecting the dating market, which is affecting my dating life, which may have impacted my marital status.
So it's the OkCupid rankings, it's nothing to do with you.
Seriously, that's your argument?
That you're helpless in the face of women's misperception about how attractive guys are and that's why you're having trouble in the dating market?
I can tell you that's not the reason.
That's not the reason at all.
I'm not saying it helps.
I'm not saying it's completely irrelevant, but it's not the fundamental reason.
Well, of course not.
Okay, then let's stop talking about it and let's start talking about the fundamental reasons.
What's the longest relationship, romantic relationship that you've had, Mike?
Well, I'd rather not delve too far into my...
No, I just need one number of months.
Six months, 12 months, three months.
The longest one you've had.
Two years, maybe?
Maybe?
What do you mean?
A year and a half to two.
I don't know.
I don't measure these things.
Yeah.
A year and a half.
Okay, let's say a year and a half.
Okay, so you've got 18 months, right?
And was this local or long distance?
Local.
Okay.
And did you ever talk marriage in that relationship?
Yes.
You did, okay.
And how old were you when this was going on?
Just roughly early 30s, late 20s?
This was late 30s.
Late 30s, okay.
So late 30s, you find a woman, you're with her for a year and a half, this is the longest relationship you've had, you've talked marriage, and then what happened?
I don't think that I was, my feelings were strong enough where I wanted to get married to her.
So you didn't really love her.
I did, but not in the...
You thought someone better could come along, right?
No, no.
I mean...
No, no, no, no.
Of course you did.
Because if you were with this woman and she was the best you could get and you enjoyed it for a year and a half, why not keep going?
Because I think you can love...
If you spend enough time with someone, you're going to develop a bond.
Whether or not you love them like someone you want to marry, you care for them and so forth.
But I did not want to get married to her.
Why not?
Saying you didn't have strong enough feelings, that's tautological, right?
Why didn't I want to marry her?
Because I didn't want to marry her.
What was wrong with her or with you or your compatibility that you didn't want to stay with her?
Did you break up with her?
Well, she ended it when I think when she realized it wasn't going to go where she wanted it to go.
Yeah, that you stole a woman's fertility at the end of her late 30s too?
No, she was 34 to 35.
Oh man, you know that's kind of a jerk move, right?
Well, that's hence my question.
No, I want you to actually have a conscience about this.
You know that's kind of a jerk move to dick around with a woman when her eggs are failing and not marry her.
I don't know.
I think that's a more complicated question than you're allowing.
No, it's not.
No, it's not at all complicated.
Did she want to have children?
I think she did, eventually.
I think she did.
In her mid-30s, you never talked about whether to have children or whether she wanted children.
What the fuck do people talk about?
You were with her for a year and a half.
The whole point of dating is to put your genitals together to make children.
She's in her mid thirties and you never talked once about children.
I'm not trying to corner you.
I'm just a standard.
Talked about that on my second date when I was in my 30s.
Well, I think things have changed quite a bit.
Women are not...
You're not that much younger than me, my friend.
Don't pull the next generation of people who are a tiny bit younger than me.
Six years younger than me.
Don't tell me that the planet completely changed in six years.
I've dated women...
From their late 40s to their early 20s.
And I can see the generational changes like tree rings.
Oh my god, man!
It's you!
Stop talking about the women!
It's you!
If you want to be empowered, stop blaming the women.
It's you!
I ask you again, with this woman...
18 months.
Right at the tail end of her fertility, where it really begins to decline.
And you have no idea whether she wanted children.
You never talked about it with her.
I think she did.
But that means you never talked about it with her, because then you wouldn't think you'd know.
Did you talk about marriage together?
Yes.
Okay.
How long were you going out roughly before you talked about marriage with this woman?
Probably about a year.
Thank you.
A year, okay.
And was the conversation something along the lines of she's saying, I would like to get married and you saying what?
I never told her that I would.
I don't know.
Yeah, but you're giving me a negative when I asked you what you said.
What did you say?
I don't remember.
I think I told her...
I know I did not lead her on.
Okay, so this is a...
I mean, this tells me that she was a low-quality woman.
Sorry to be so blunt.
Maybe you've got different memories of her because sex or companionship or whatever you want to call it.
But any woman with half a goddamn brain, Mike, if she's in her mid-30s, does not date a guy for a year before even vaguely bringing up the prospect of marriage.
Because she's not 18.
She's 34.
No, they think that...
I don't know if you've been dating in...
No, no, no.
Not they, women as a whole.
These are women that you're dating.
No.
Not women as a whole.
There are lots of women out there who are very aware of the biological clock and aren't stupid and don't defer and don't just flop out and go all rubber bones and just let things happen to them.
These are the women that you're dating.
They're not all women.
No.
In New York, in San Francisco, in Los Angeles, this is how 35-year-old women are now.
It is.
How do you know?
Because I've lived in these cities.
Okay, and you're dating the women you're dating.
You are not a statistical cross-section of the female population.
These are women who are willing to put up with you.
The only women, the only way I could avoid these types of women is if I went on to, if I started dating very religious women.
No, oh fuck.
Dude, Mike, Mike, Mike, for God's sakes, I know you're 43, but crack a habit or two.
You might get something valuable out of this if you stop defending everything you're doing and trying to convince me everything you're doing is right and that somehow you have a cross-section of all women.
You are dating...
Women who are not assertive about what they need.
If this woman wanted to get married, she should not wait for a year before trying to find out if you're even remotely interested and not wait for another six months to find out that you're not.
That is a low-quality, passive, lazy-ass woman who does not know how to be assertive about what she wants and needs.
And you're willing to put up with that.
Tells me a lot about you.
That is not all women.
There are very assertive, very positive, very clear women.
Some of them are called into this show.
God love them.
And they would not put up with this fogginess.
I mean, it's driving me crazy.
You'll maybe hear this when you listen back, right?
But I'm a pretty assertive person.
I'm going to say what I think.
How do you know what she really wanted?
Maybe she wanted to date a higher value guy for a year so that when she's 37, 38, she could find the nice guy to save her.
Because you have dated dozens of women before her.
You've broken up with all of them.
They've broken up with you.
You had relationships lasting a couple of weeks to a couple of months.
Now, an intelligent woman who comes into that situation knows that you lack the skills to maintain a relationship.
It's like if you're hiring someone and they come in and they say, I've had 40 jobs since I was 18.
None of them have lasted more than a few months.
what would you think?
Do you think that person would be a good hire or not such a good hire?
Yeah.
Oh, and it's never my fault.
But women keep dating me.
No, no, you're jumping out of the conversation and you're doing the vanity card.
So if a guy comes in to work for you and he says, I've had 40 jobs since I was 18, none of them have lasted, they've all been a few weeks to a few months.
I either get fired or I quit within a few weeks to a few months.
What would you think about that person as an employee?
Okay, well, I mean...
Stay in the question.
What would you think of that person as an employee?
I'm trying to help you understand how a quality woman is going to think.
Okay.
Well, we know the answer.
Okay.
What is the answer?
The answer is that that's not a good person.
Right?
Because that person doesn't know how to have a career.
Dating is a job.
Marriage is a career.
Okay.
Now, what if you're...
And if all somebody has done is just hop from job to job and quit whenever it gets tough or get fired whenever they don't do a good job and they just move on to the...
They're not building career skills.
What if I'm trying to hire someone?
Or what if they're trying to hire someone?
Sorry, who's they?
Let's say the women, and using your analogy.
And their criteria for hiring someone is the sexiest, richest, most entertaining, funny guy that they can get in their door at that moment.
Then they're low-quality women.
Well, that's the decision.
And that tells me that you cannot attract a high-quality woman.
And you're low-rent scavenging, you're bottom-feeding among shallow, stupid, not assertive, idiotic women.
And you say, this is all women.
I find that offensive.
I have a wife I love.
I have a daughter who's wonderful.
I have female friends who are great.
And they'd kick your ass to the curb.
Because you think that the women you're choosing are the women who'll put up with you because you're handsome, that this is somehow all women.
And I'm trying to break you of that so that you can start to think about a life with a quality woman rather than whatever detritus you're able to scoop up with your chiseled jawline.
I think you're making a lot of judgments that aren't quite right.
I never said that all women are that way.
I think I've qualified that this whole time.
Okay, good.
Then let's stop talking about the trashy women you're dating and start talking about how you can attract a quality woman.
I think you're making assumptions that I'm dating trashy women.
That's not true either.
Okay.
Less quality, if you want to put it that way.
We can spend time splitting hairs or we can actually get you into some quality relationship here.
It's not that there's anything wrong with them.
They're educated.
Yes, yes, yes, there are things wrong with them.
There are things wrong with them, because they're not assertive about what they need.
And they're dating you out of shallow vanity, and they're not doing what is going to make them happy.
No woman in her 30s, her 20s, no woman in her 30s, should be involved with a guy for a year before, if she wants to get married, even broaching the subject of marriage.
That is ridiculous.
That is the actions of a 14-year-old, not a 34-year-old.
I agree fully.
Okay, good.
So let's have you stop dating women like that and have you start setting your sights a little higher.
An assertive woman who's going to tell you what she needs, who's going to make demands upon you, who's going to have standards of behavior that are higher than the women you've been dating.
Where do these women live?
Because I have not met them.
I know you haven't met them.
I've lived all over the U.S. I know you haven't met them because of who you are.
The women that I'm meeting, they want...
I know that.
Listen, I get that.
They want travel.
I find if I only speak Japanese, I end up speaking with a lot of Japanese people.
They want beautiful men, and they want wealthy men, and they want famous men.
Right.
Because you're dating trash!
Right.
No, these are not trashy women.
These are educated women.
Come on, man.
If they want fame and looks and money and pretty guys, I mean, that's trash.
That's fine if you've got a Bon Jovi picture on your wall and you're 13.
It's ridiculous when you're in your 30s, right?
So these are the women you're dating.
These are the women you're around.
And the problem is, my friend, that you're 43 years old and it seems that most of what you have to bring to the table is a pretty face.
That's pretty tragic.
And that's why you're not meeting quality women.
That's a little insulting, I think.
But it's empirical.
How so?
Because you haven't dated a quality woman!
In 43 years!
That's not true.
Then why aren't you married?
We've been talking about that.
Right.
And I'm telling you why you're not married.
Is that you're coasting on your looks, you're coasting on your money, you're coasting on your body, you're coasting on your charisma, which doesn't strike me, but obviously strikes the women, right?
So you're coasting.
And you're getting easy pickings.
You're not learning how to negotiate with an equal.
You're not learning how, because you date down a little bit, which means that the women are hungry for you, and the women are hypergamous, and the women are insecure, and the women don't know how to be assertive because they're afraid they're going to drive you away because you're such a catch.
I get all of that.
And you can sit around trawling all of this stuff, and you can get your easy lays out of this sort of shit, or you can get serious and try and find a quality woman to have a great relationship with.
Who's going to challenge you?
Like, the very fact that we're having this conversation, Mike, tells me so much about your prior relationships, because you don't seem to know this stuff, which means you haven't been challenged on this stuff.
No, what I said earlier in the call is that I have dated women that I felt strongly about.
And when they sense that vulnerability and that I'm not elusive and I'm not a bad boy anymore to them because they can tell how into them I am, they get excited by someone who is elusive and is a bad boy and who won't get serious with them.
Right.
These are the women that you choose to date.
So this is not all women.
These are the women you choose to date, and these are the women that you have the skills to handle.
You don't have the skills to either attract or interact with or handle a quality woman.
I'm telling you this because you're 43, and you're a big boy, and you can hear it.
Apparently, well, I mean, obviously, if I were very, very wealthy, very famous, and...
Where Tom, you know, look like Tom Cruise.
Then you could get Johnny Depp's wife.
I could get a prize like Johnny Depp's wife.
She's not a prize.
I was being sarcastic.
She filed for divorce three days after his mother died or his father died or something, and then she took him for $20 million for a marriage that lasted 15 months, and they basically were only together for a couple of months.
I was being sarcastic.
She's not a quality woman.
The odds that Johnny Depp physically abused her are probably about 1%.
Oh, no.
The moment I hear this kind of stuff, I just automatically assume it's all lies, like from the woman, right?
I mean, that's just where I am, because I can process information.
So, listen, I'm going to close it down.
Have a listen over this again.
I am a pretty assertive person, and I'm doing this out of affection for you and hope for your future.
But you are not someone that's easy to have a direct conversation with.
You know, like I had an easier time talking about race and IQ with a fine Hispanic fellow than talking about your penis dragging you off a cliff of low-rent women.
So you don't have a lot of skills in these kind of direct conversations.
No, I think if you're going to insult me, then we're not going to have a good exchange.
Okay.
All right.
Well, that's certainly where you are, and I'm certainly sorry.
I certainly didn't mean to sort of say you're a bad guy.
I'm trying to shock you into, I'd be more gentle if you were younger, but if you want to get married, you should probably want to do it sooner rather than later.
But I do appreciate the conversation.
I think it was very interesting.
Let me ask you a final question.
Of course.
Do you think it would be better that I marry someone that I'm not really in love with?
Just so I... Whatever?
I don't think so.
I don't even think you know what the word love means, frankly, if you want me to be honest with you.
Love is our involuntary response to virtue, to a glorious human being who has courage and nobility and heroism and strength and directness and is willing to challenge us.
Have you dated someone like that?
I've had a dog I would describe that way, but All right.
Well, I guess you're going to have to end up marrying your dog, like a lot of women marry their cats.
So thanks a lot for the call.
I appreciate that.
Also wanted to point out that women's happiness as a whole has been declining every single decade since the Second World War, in America at least.
Women's happiness has been declining.
And now white women's lifespan is actually starting to shrink.
One in four middle-aged women in America are on antidepressants.
Something is desperately wrong with the state of femininity.
I'm not saying it's all, Mike.
But it is a reality that, you know, race relations are bad, gender relations are bad, races are generally, and ethnicities are pretty unhappy all around the board.
So it's not just me.
Still talking, both men and women are all pretty unhappy around the board, and this is something that we need to address.
And what we have to do has got to be something different than what we have done in the past, which is what I was trying to challenge.
But what we all need to do, just try something different than what we've been doing in the past.
That's our best hope for a better future.
But thanks everyone so much for a wonderful and exciting and thrilling conversation.
Thank you for re-souping my energy, which was at a tad of a low ebb after a pretty long day of work.
But I still got a groove back.
And if you are just listening to this and you want to try out a little something that's different.
First, I mean, had a great chat with our good friend Paul Joseph Watson today on the British exit on the Brexit and the Euro, and he's great.
So please, please check that out when it gets out.
Also, we had a little something from the archives called Dear Liberal Hypocrites, which Mike's very competent and funny editing made it better than I could have imagined.
I think my procrastination...
September of last year!
With fine wine, it grew better with age.
That's right.
I thought we were going to keep it back for like my funeral or something.
But yeah, I recorded a whole bunch of stuff last September and it's just sort of been sitting around.
And Mike, you just did a great, great job.
I actually watched the second one today.
Link arms, lady.
Anyway, it's great.
So go check it out.
It's at YouTube.com slash Free Domain Radio.
It's called The Dear Liberal Hypocrites.
And the fact that it's doing better than my Brexit presentation does not make me at all enraged about the world.
Oh!
Wait, maybe it does.
No, I'm just kidding.
It's very good.
And it was very fun to work on.
And I hope it was reasonably fun to edit, Mike, because you might be getting more.
So people should check that out.
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