3289 The End of Political Correctness - Call In Show - May 11th, 2016
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So we have four callers.
Four.
Count them four.
Yes, this is the kind of quality volume you can expect from us here at Freedom Main Radio.
The first up is a very fine young man who's asking questions about...
He's pursuing psychology and he has to take a bunch of social justice warrior...
Sorry, I mean sociology courses.
And how's he going to survive all of this politically correct stuff that's being stuffed down his throat?
This story has a bit of a twist, as you'll hear.
A very enjoyable and illuminating conversation.
The second is a couple, well, when they wrote to us, they were going to get married, and she's a single mom, and he's, well, neither single nor a mom, of course, and how can they best arrange their...
So that it's to the best benefit of themselves and their kids.
And of course, I can't tell them that, but I can give them some general principles that I think are helpful based upon the data.
Third caller from the fine country of Brazil, wherein I gave a speech and debated a professor, Safatli, some years back.
And Brazil, well, currently going through its worst recession in at least 80 years, possibly ever.
And I guess they just ousted.
Their political leader for corruption of some kind.
What is going on and why?
And we had a good chat about Brazil and its history and its current status and its potential future.
Fourth question was, hey, China has a lot of empty cities and there are a lot of migrants coming out of the Middle East who need a place to live.
Why can't the two just hold hands, be friends, and China can populate its empty cities with Middle Eastern migrants?
A fine question.
Hopefully.
A not altogether shocking but illuminating answer.
He wrote in and said, I'm a college student and I'm constantly around the left.
Black Lives Matter, student protesters and college professors are very angry and are constantly shutting down speech.
I believe they are projecting their dysfunction onto others.
What type of childhoods did these people have?
And did conservative parents fail to instill conservative values into their children?
That's from Torian.
Hey Stefan, how you doing?
I'm well, brother.
How you doing?
I'm doing pretty good.
Well, dare I ask what you're taking?
Oh, psychology.
Ah.
Yeah.
So there's some fact-based stuff in there, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
But it's much worse than sociology, though.
Oh, sociology.
Oh, yeah, that's a complete quagmire of historical leftism in my theory and experience.
This question had came up when, you know, Ben Shapiro?
Do I know Ben Shapiro?
Yeah, Ben Shapiro, he had came to my school and there were protesters out there, Black Lives Matter people.
And then I had looked up Ben Shapiro on YouTube, right?
And almost everywhere he goes, there are people who won't let other students go inside and they're very violent as far as verbal abuse.
And I think it just really scared me because I'm like, oh my God, these people are really violent.
And it's like, I just started to wonder what type of childhoods did these people have.
And the administrators, you know, I remember someone was talking about how the college professors taught them that.
But I don't know why the administrators don't really do anything about it.
You don't know why.
I mean, I think I know why.
I don't know for sure, obviously, but I can hazard a fairly reasonable guess that, you know, administrators in these kinds of situations, I think, are generally worried about how the media is going to portray any kind of conflicts that they're going to have with activists.
And this goes all the way back to the 60s, and probably a long way before that, too, but the 60s is the first time that I remember...
Reading about these kinds of conflicts, you know, when the Sex, drugs, and rock and roll hippie generation hit the campuses and were protesting and so on.
And there were some ugly interactions, some ugly battles.
And Ronald Reagan, then governor of California, was content with allowing the government people with weapons to go in and try and clear out or make the space of people who were against the property rights of the university inhabiting particular areas.
It got fairly unpleasant and Reagan got pretty angry at the media because he said, you know, that this whole problem started when the media began saying that there are some laws that people can obey and some laws that they don't have to obey depending on how they feel that day, basically.
And so he got really, really upset.
And this happens fairly regularly.
Whenever there's a protest from the left, then the generally leftist media tends to portray the protesters in as sympathetic a light as humanly possible and portrays the administrators as...
Obviously in somewhat negative ways.
And this is changing a little bit with people's ability to record stuff on their cell phones and all of that and see these interactions going down a little bit more.
But it's a great challenge.
You know, you can stand...
Against a lot of injustices if there is a general social consensus that it's a decent thing to do.
Right, right, right.
Take an extreme example, right?
I mean, there were people, brave, obviously, good people, who helped slaves who escaped from plantations get to Canada.
It was called the Underground Railroad, and they were very committed.
Obviously, a lot of Christians involved and very much committed to their religious beliefs and risked enormously.
A huge amount of sanctions, very, very important and strict legal sanctions for what they were doing, aiding and abetting slave escaping.
But I think, you know, they had courage and they did the right thing, but there was a whole group of them who were committed to all of this.
And you think of the people who hid Jews during the days of the Second World War in Europe.
They were following their conscience and they had a group together who were willing to stand with them.
And the great challenge, I think, with standing up against some of the leftist bullying tactics is the degree to which the social narrative as defined by the mainstream media is almost universally against you.
Right.
And the reason why people do that is to make appeasement seem really tempting, right?
Oh, you know, let's just give them a little bit.
We'll let them have their protest.
Because, you know, if I don't stand up to them, it's not that big a deal.
But if I do, the media might just turn on me and get me fired and smear my name and who knows what might happen.
And so this bullying is designed to tempt you into a kind of moment-by-moment appeasement by which the left advances their agenda.
And there are bullies on the right too, but right now, at least in the mainstream media, it seems to be more so on the left.
So the good news is that, well, the mainstream media is...
It's dying.
It's dying off.
Americans trust in the mainstream media is down to 6%.
6%.
That's like congressional levels.
So from that standpoint, you know, media revenue is down, ad revenue is down, click revenue is down.
And they are shooting themselves in the foot.
It often sort of surprises me, if you've seen this kind of tendency, but...
When, like I looked up recently, there was some guy was on a stabbing spree in a mall and an off-duty cop shot him.
And he had a pretty Anglo name.
But, you know, like a lot of people, I was curious about his background.
Can you find it in the mainstream media?
You cannot.
However, you know, it's not like you can't take the guy's name, paste it into Google, and click on images to find out what he looks like.
And lo and behold, he just, well, let's just put it this way, he did not look overly anglicized.
And so the fact is that you have a very quick way to find out if the media is withholding information from you.
And, you know, we try to do our little bit here as well to bring information to people that the mainstream media often won't get close to.
So the mainstream media is, by its sort of constant manipulation, Of information is slowly draining any trust, respect, and dollars from the American public.
And it's not just happening in America, but elsewhere as well.
And you can see this in Donald Trump talks about the media in, let's just say, somewhat negative ways in his rallies or his speeches.
I mean, people cheer.
Right.
I mean, they cheer, you know, from within the media, because, you know, a lot of it is this sort of left-wing echo chamber.
From within the media, I think they feel they're doing God's honest work and standing up to the negatives and advancing social justice and so on.
But I think it's become such a sort of insular...
Star chamber of reflected opinion that I don't think that they, I mean, they all seem completely surprised by the rise of Donald Trump, who has used the mainstream media, but I think has gained far more traction in other areas of communication like the internet and so on.
So the good news is the mainstream media is, well, it's floating downstream to a potential waterfall.
The University of Missouri, where there's been a lot of social justice warrior stuff, has got a hiring freeze and a 5% cut to all recurring general revenue budgets to close a projected $32 million shortfall for the coming fiscal year.
So that's nice.
You know, as far as people see all this stuff erupting, and they read the syllabus.
Syllabi?
They read the course descriptions online and I'm sure a lot of people wonder exactly why Marxist basket weaving is going to, how it's going to weave into their children's economic future.
And of course college is very expensive and people want to get their money's worth.
And I think everyone knows that it's not a great economic investment to pay people the equivalent of hundreds of thousands of dollars when you look at foregone income to indoctrinate you into hating the society wherein you're going to have to earn a living to put it.
Well, that's a way of putting it that I think is fair.
And so I think what's happening is people are not...
Wanting to spend that kind of money.
You know, of course, also when people see the student debt that people march out of university with and so on, and they're like, well, that's a lot of debt.
I don't know how I'm going to pay it off.
And I really started to start thinking about the money I'm going to make versus the money I'm going to spend.
And there aren't that many jobs in academia and in the media to go around.
And the internet doesn't seem to be...
Well, the internet obviously is much more inclusive, right?
I mean, there's people from the left and the right and in between and libertarians and Marxists and all that.
So it more accurately reflects, I think, the general disparity or spread of belief systems in the world, or certainly in the country or in the English-speaking world.
So, I think that we may be hitting peak political correctness.
You know, maybe that's a winsome dream of mine, but it certainly does seem to be the case.
But what sort of stuff have you seen or experienced on campus or in classes?
Um...
Well, my school, it isn't that bad.
A lot of what I've seen is on different campuses that people post on YouTube and stuff like that.
I hope we don't become that extreme, but on my campus, a lot of the protesting comes from the Black Lives Matter movement.
And there's a lot of...
You know, like, screaming.
There's a lot of, like, shutting other people down when they bring up, you know, like, conservative topics or Donald Trump and things like that.
Or even if you're talking about, like, even, like, the differences between, like, men and women, you know, people just don't want to hear it.
Well, it's not that they don't want to hear it.
They don't want it to be said.
If I don't want to hear something, like I'm not a big fan of Chinese opera, I don't put it on.
If I don't want to hear something, that's perfectly fine.
The problem is that they don't want other people to hear it.
That's where I think the real problems come in.
Right.
And it's definitely like a bubble that people live in because you can go through your whole 12 years Without hearing the conservative point of view.
I'll talk to some people about how I tell them, yeah, I kind of support Donald Trump.
They're like, what?
It's just mind blowing.
It's like, you're not even a real person.
It's crazy to even think that you would support a conservative.
I don't know.
It's insane.
And what are your thoughts on the Black Lives Matter movement?
If you don't mind me asking.
Um...
I mean, when I read the reports about how, you know, the Black Lives Matter movement, when the police officers are afraid to arrest, you know, black, you know, teenagers who are doing crime in the neighborhoods, and you got a whole group of people telling police officers that what you're doing is bad, you guys are evil, and how that's increasing, you know, the crime rates in our neighborhoods.
I mean...
I don't know.
It saddens me because it's like it's sort of like masochistic.
It's like you think you're helping black people out, but you're helping criminals out because you're saying you're making excuses for criminals in an indirect way.
And I also think that it's really used to guilt white people into Into, you know, shutting up, into feeling guilty.
And...
I just think a lot of white people just bought into that, you know?
It's like...
I just hate that, like, oh my God, like, you know, I have to...
This woman on Huffington Post, she had written an article apologizing to black people.
And I'm like...
It sickens me.
You don't have to apologize for anything, but when you apologize, you're helping them out.
You're saying what you're doing is okay.
Your feelings are justified.
Right.
Yeah, no, I mean, it does not help black people out, unless the black people we're talking about are criminals, in which case having the cops hold off, great for them, just not that great for everybody else who lives in the community, right?
Right, right, right, right, exactly.
And I think people don't even realize, like, I mean, because I grew up in a, you know, sort of, most people would call it the hood, but it's like, you know, there's break-ins, there's dudes who break in your doors, who rob you, and it's like, And a lot of the black people are victims of these other black criminals.
So it's like, you don't even have compassion for really your own brothers and sisters who are getting shot up by the people that you're trying to protect.
You know?
No, I understand.
And it is, you know, I mean, the frustration that I see, I'm obviously not deeply embedded in the black community, but the frustration that I have around these kinds of things is nothing I can imagine compared to the frustration that people who are more direct victims of this kind of, these kinds of problems is, I mean, it must just be staggering. but the frustration that I have around these kinds of I mean...
It is...
There's a lot of danger in these neighborhoods.
And, you know, this driving back police out of fear of being the next Darren Wilson or whatever is, I think it's getting a lot of people killed statistically.
What was the evolution of your political thought?
How did you end up on the Trump train?
So first of all, when I was in high school, I really didn't really care about politics.
I was really into like, you know, like the religion and atheist battle and stuff like that.
I thought you were going to say girls, but that was just me.
But that's cool too.
So I really wasn't in politics, but I guess I consider myself a liberal because liberal, it just seems like you're the good guy because all I heard about conservatives was that they were racist, they were just evil people.
Yeah, liberal is like nice.
Right, yeah, you're a nice person.
You care about minorities, you care about fairness and justice, and I don't know, I mean, do you want to go into the plantation of the Republicans?
You must be mad!
Right, right, right, right.
And so, I think it was like when I read like some of Thomas Sowell, and I was like, oh my god, he is so smart.
He really is.
Yeah, and I was like, oh man, he has some good points about conservatism and stuff like that.
And And I started to read about, you know, how the Black family was in like 1920, 1930.
And a lot of those traditions, you know, wait until you're married, two-parent household, you know, the rise in Black income.
It was just amazing.
I was like, oh my God, like, I've never heard about that.
Like, no one ever talks about that little time snippet of Black people improving.
Well, because it's all like the dungeon of slavery to the underperformance of today is just one unbroken grim line of maybe a tiny bit.
But the fact that there's been significant bulges of black achievement, of Harlem Renaissance, of blacks getting into the middle class and becoming professionals...
Well, that can't be talked about because that doesn't go with the narrative, right?
Because if there was success in the past, then it can't just be, I don't know, this magical blanket, white racism that burns everything in its path and is unstoppable and irredeemable, apparently.
Like, that doesn't fit the narrative, and so you probably never heard about it.
And if they do talk about it, they always say the downfall of the black community was the drug war.
They don't say welfare.
It wasn't a welfare.
It was a drug war that took the African-American males out of the home.
But my thing is, okay, if marijuana, like, you know, let's say marijuana, cocaine, if that's illegal, then we shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
So the real question is, why are African-American males doing that in the first place?
Well, Japanese-Americans were also subject to the drug war but didn't end up in jail to that degree, right?
Exactly, exactly.
Now, to be fair, I mean, I hate the drug war, so it's not a war on drugs, it's a war on people, but I don't think it's the sole explanation.
Right, right.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
And so, you know, throughout college, when I got into my first year here, I was really hit hard with the feminism.
Because in high school, I really knew what feminism was, but I was really hit hard with the feminism.
I was like, oh my god, like...
It really hurt me, like, emotionally.
Because I was like, yo, these women, like, hate me.
And it really hurt.
And I was like, yo, I can't...
I started, like, I just couldn't support that.
And it's like...
Wait, hang on.
Torian, what do you mean?
I mean, the women hate you.
How did you get that?
How did that...
I'm not disagreeing with you.
I just...
I want to know that, like, how that came about in your head, in your heart.
Great, great, great.
So, okay, let me think.
Oh, boy.
So, um...
So you're walking into class.
You're a happy guy.
You're whistling.
You're like, hey, I'm in college.
This is going to be great.
And then patriarchy.
Like the men all just falling down trying to use their ball sack to cover their hearts.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And it was like, yeah, Patriarch, my first year I went to this, it was Apple Service Learning where we volunteer.
You go out to the community, you volunteer, you help out.
That whole thing was a cover story of trying to brainwash us into feminism.
And I'm like, yo, hold up.
Why are we talking about women being victims here?
You know, for men.
In our school, we have a lot of these...
Events where they would talk about, you know, whatever, if it's rape or domestic abuse, and it's always the female as the victim from a man.
And it's like, okay, the fact that you're not even talking about male victims, I smell something fishy here.
It's like, what are you trying to say?
Well, Tori, and I hate to interrupt you, but the thought popped into my head that if you grew up in a Hoodish neighborhood, you said it wasn't exactly the Hood, but if you grew up in a Hoodish neighborhood, is it fair for me to say that you may have witnessed an instance or two of female aggression?
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Okay, good.
I'm glad we're on the same page as far as that goes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a whole other topic.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Exactly, exactly.
I mean, much of a patriarchy in the hood?
No, hell no.
Hell no.
I'm sorry.
No, no.
So, you know, I learned about that and it was becoming very, I don't know, it was becoming like, you know, left-sided, like left, like, you know, you teach about socialism, you teach about, you know, It was a lot of demonizing, I guess, like the other side.
And so I think when Donald Trump Oh, hang on.
Sorry to interrupt you again, just before we get to John Fram.
So, when you were in this environment, did you have an impulse to say, well, wait a minute, I've heard of this, or, you know, half of the victims of domestic abuse are men, and, like, did you, was there an impulse in you to sort of bring some other facts to the front, or to even ask questions, and did you try that?
Okay, so here's the thing, so here's the thing, here's the thing.
In class, you know, I did...
I did not.
I mean, when I was talking with people individually, I did, though.
I would tell them how I feel about these things.
But in class, to my professors, I did not.
I did it.
Listen, I'm not saying you should have.
What I'm curious about is what was in the air or what was in the atmosphere that made you feel cautious about that?
Okay, so I think it's two parts.
Really, it was...
It was really two parts.
I think one was, I guess, like the other...
I mean, I guess it's kind of...
I think it was really like the other students and how I know that I felt that I think sometimes I feel like, man, if I say this in class or whatever, it may be like a dumb argument.
And I feel like the amount of heat I may get...
You know what I'm saying?
Did you see smoking craters where other questioning students actually tried to exercise critical thinking?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they were like frog-marched out of the room by pear-shaped women?
I mean, what happened?
Yeah, no, so I think a lot of the times it was very, honestly, it was very uniform, really.
Yeah, there's no room for discussion.
Right, right, right.
Everyone agrees and you know what's going to happen if you disagree.
Those sinister eyeballs are going to turn on you.
Right, right.
And I hate that stuff.
I hate, you know, because I kind of, I want to say it was kind of cowardly, but you know, I just, yeah, I hate it.
I wouldn't characterize it that way myself.
There's an old saying, I don't know, discretion is the better part of valor.
In other words, you got to know, you got to pick your battles, you know, know when to hold them, know when to fold them.
And if there's really no chance of getting anything other than a negative outcome, you know, I don't play.
I'm not going to play.
And it's a shame, too, because you want to have a voice as somebody who may be skeptical of some of these arguments.
I mean, you don't want to go to school to be lectured at and be afraid to speak up.
That seems like a not great thing to pay for, if that makes sense.
Because, you know, to engage in critical thought, to engage in debate and all that kind of stuff would seem to be kind of the point of going to school, learning how to think rather than just absorbing and repeating.
Right, right.
And how's it been for you, socially, with these perspectives?
Absolutely.
So socially, it was funny because I started, I listened to your show, when I started listening to your show, it was about, you know, anarcho-capitalism, whatever.
And Crazy bastard.
What are you trying to do?
Like, rob yourself of all social contact?
What are you thinking?
I'm sorry.
Wait till after school.
No, I'm kidding.
Go ahead.
So I had really, like, this...
One of my first...
Well, I would say my first...
My freshman year.
No, my sophomore year.
It was this anarchy group that's still here.
And I went to a couple of their meetings, but I was like, this is not...
Where's the capitalism?
It wasn't even really...
It was like a serious group, but they were kind of like communists.
I'm like, what the hell y'all talking about?
So I was like, okay, they're kind of loony a little bit.
And then I remember one time I had this roommate from England.
Oh my God.
And I was listening to your show a little bit, and...
And he had overheard you.
He was like, oh, is that Steph Bot?
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, what you know about him, man?
And he was like, what did he say?
But he said some mean things.
And I was like, oh, what you mean?
We started talking about libertarianism.
And he agreed, you know, we talk about the taxation thing.
He agreed, yeah, it is for us.
He agreed that.
But he was very...
I didn't feel comfortable...
We talked about it a couple of times, but I really just didn't bring it up.
And I would still post things on Facebook.
He would always hit me with, okay, you're a hypocrite because you're in college.
I don't want to say, it was really hurtful things.
Well, they're not arguments, right?
I mean, to take an extreme example, I mean...
Some slave is against slavery.
It's like, well, you're a hypocrite because you're still living on the plantation.
It's like...
Well, sorry, you know, there's not a whole lot of choice in some things if you want to advance and, you know, you can't be a psychologist without getting the education.
That's the licensing requirements.
And if that's the game you got to play, that's the game you got to play.
But it's not an argument, you know, the argument from personal hypocrisy when there's not really any choice.
You know, you're using government roads and therefore, you know, it's like, well, is there a choice?
Do I have non-government roads to choose from?
Do I have a choice about paying for them?
Right, right.
And some of the other people I talked to about this, they weren't as mean as the other guy, but They still really didn't accept it.
I remember I was talking to this one girl about...
I like to talk about gender, too, and single moms and things like that.
That's definitely not really understood.
Because a lot of these kids, they grew up with single moms, too.
So I understand that's a very touchy topic for them.
But it's not...
We don't...
I feel like I haven't really convinced anyone.
Well, it's tough, you know, because, I mean, if you start talking about the negative results of single motherhood, then you have to confront both.
People who say, well, women are just the same as men, and women don't need men, and so on.
You have to confront them with the harm this is doing to children.
Right.
And that often produces a kind of short circuit.
Like, nobody wants to advocate something that's harmful for children, but at the same time, they have to argue that men and women are identical, and a woman doesn't need a man, and so on, right?
Right, right, right, right, right, right.
And even in the textbooks, I remember talking about, because I'm a big person for non-spanking.
You know, I try...
And I try to tell parents about the consequences of spanking and things like that, right?
And so there's this class, I haven't taken it yet, but African American children, basically, right?
And I was...
And, you know, for the white people, for the Asian people, for all the other races, spanking negatively affects you, right?
But for black people, somehow, it's okay.
You know, it's like, or even if you look at two-parent households, you know, they keep saying that single parents, you know, they do just as well.
So it's like, but those aren't the facts that I'm hearing on the internet, though, but in our textbooks, it's telling us, you know, it's, I don't know, it's excusing blacks and women.
Well, I mean, corporal punishment, to put as nice a phrase around it as possible, Torian, is very prevalent in the black community, right?
Oh, yeah, it is.
I used to sometimes think, yeah, blacks are really great at basketball because that's how they raise their kid.
Bounce, hit, bounce, hit, bounce, hit.
And I just think it's brutal.
And, you know, one of the things that I was very happy about in this show was, you know, during the Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman, I got to millions of people the message of non-spanking.
And since I knew a lot of blacks were going to watch that video, I really am very happy the degree to which that...
That came across.
So the numbers are like 89% of black parents, 79% of white parents, 80% of Hispanic parents, and 73% of Asian parents said they have spanked their children.
And I think that there's good data to show that spanking black children affects them more negatively than, say, Asian kids.
And that's to do with the warrior gene and other stuff that, you know, is still not that well understood genetically, but seems to have some sort of effect.
Right.
Right, right.
I mean, the warrior gene prevalence, which can be triggered by child abuse, blacks 5.5% of the population, Caucasians 0.1%, Asians, hang on, are you ready?
0.00007%.
So it is a tragic cycle.
Was your dad around when you were growing up?
Yes, he was.
I knew it.
I should have.
You know what?
I hate guessing because I'm like, let me guess.
Your dad was around.
No.
Oh, man.
And I was thinking earlier.
I'm like, I'm going to go.
And then I chickened out.
I shouldn't have chickened out.
I knew it.
I knew your dad was around.
But go on.
How do you know he was around?
How do I know your dad was around?
Because you're not a social justice warrior.
Single moms produce social justice warriors.
Women are very frail.
Women are very dependent.
Especially women with kids, right?
I mean, they need a lot of resources.
And that frailty is one of the ways in which kids grow up around single moms and end up viewing the world as a very dangerous place.
Because for single moms, it kind of is.
But as far as the aggression and the hatred and the violence...
So if that's the case, then single moms must...
A lot of them must be...
Because I was thinking about that earlier because...
I don't want to say more violent, but if you're a single mom, you have to be even more...
You have to be even more aggressive because you don't got two people.
So you got to clamp down on your child even more.
Because I was watching this other mom.
She was very like, come over here.
You got to...
Well, and there's a lack of respect a lot of times for people who grew up in single mother households, particularly among the boys.
And so, yeah, the women have to become like extra heavy hammers to try and overcome some of the lack of respect that they receive.
And there's something as well...
That female cops tend to shoot people more than male cops because they can't physically intimidate them.
And again, I'm not saying that parents should be like cops or anything like that.
But I'm guessing that you...
Okay, here, I'm going out on my guessing game.
But, you know, you respect your dad and a good relationship with your dad.
Your dad's like a stable guy who's around and involved with his kids.
Is that all fair to say?
I think that's fair to say.
Good, good.
Well, okay, then that would be one of the main reasons why you're able to, you know, grow up and value peaceful parenting and be a good critical thinker and curious and so on.
And I think that's one of the reasons why running into some of these people who I think are pretty damaged is kind of bewildering, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like, oh my God.
I don't know if I'm crazy or they're crazy.
I know I'm not crazy, but when they're protesting so hard, I'm like, okay, they can't be faking it.
This is coming from deep within their soul and stuff like that.
Let's just talk about conservatives, right?
You know, xenophobic, misogynistic, you know, just bad people.
They view those people like you would view the Ku Klux Klan, you would view slavery.
So for them, it's justified.
And I was thinking earlier, I was like, what would make me so upset that a speaker would come in and I would yell at them?
You got stuff to do.
Right, right, right, exactly.
I'm busy.
But even if it was like the Ku Klux Klan, which I don't like, I don't give a shit.
I don't care.
Well, what are there, eight left?
I mean, it's not like a big parade of Casper the Friendly Ghosts going down Main Street these days.
I mean, the Klan is, to my knowledge, not a substantial social or political force in America and hasn't been for I don't know how many generations.
But yeah, I mean, if people are around that I significantly disagree with...
Why would I necessarily have to go down and chant and scream and cover myself in blood or fake blood or whatever it is that these people do?
And, you know, Trigglypuff, I don't know if you've seen this, can't get it out of my brain video.
But, you know, she seems pretty committed.
Right, right.
And, you know...
The more intelligent people are, and I think one of the definitions of intelligence is the ability to hold an opposing viewpoint, understand it, without agreeing with it.
I can understand where social justice warriors are coming from.
I can understand where leftists are coming from.
I can understand where communists.
If you believe certain things at the beginning, everything kind of goes like dominoes.
So if you believe that men and women are identical and make exactly the same decisions, then...
The wage gap, sorry, the gender gap in wages is unjust, right?
If you think, okay, well, redhead people are exactly the same as other people, but redhead people are only paid 77 cents on the dollar, then it makes some sense to start crying out about prejudice.
And so if you believe that, you know, all the ethnicities are the same, all the men and women are the same, everyone's this Buck Rogers blob of identicalness, right?
Then all discrepancies must be due to some sort of prejudice or whatever it is.
Like with the communists, right?
If workers are exactly the same as owners, they're just as smart, just as competent, it's just an accidental history that one of them's in the head office and one of them's on the factory floor, I can understand that you would think that this is an injustice that needs to be remedied.
So I can really understand all of these positions that I significantly disagree with.
I can hold them in my head.
I could probably argue those positions pretty well.
But that doesn't mean I accept them.
But I think that there are some people, a lot of people sadly these days on campuses, who cannot understand and appreciate an opposing argument.
It becomes so emotionally threatening to them that they respond as if there's a genuine threat in the room.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now, how did you get introduced to DJ, DJ Trump?
How did that come about for you?
Man, at first, it was last summer.
People were talking about, oh, Trump running, Trump running.
And I was like, I didn't even take it serious.
I was like, what is he doing?
And then he had said something about the Mexican rapist.
And I was like, oh, hell.
His career is over.
His career is over.
You don't do that.
You just do not do that.
And then he was...
And then I think it was that knockdown with Megyn Kelly.
She asked him, what do you think about the war on women?
He was like, listen, I don't got time.
We don't have time for the correctness.
And I was like, oh, my God.
This man has so, like...
He has so much courage.
People like him, Ann Kotler, these people are taking the bullets to save...
I know you said Western civilization has already fallen, but they're trying to take the bullets of keeping the remains of Western civilization.
I was like, oh...
I don't know.
I've gone quite that far, but it's definitely something we should keep an eye on.
Let's put it that way.
Right, right.
And I was like, yo, like...
I don't know.
It was crazy.
I don't know.
I was like, oh my God, he's like a hero.
Just to put himself out there like that and just destroy these leftists, these people who are lying about him, it just took so much courage.
That's what I'm saying, that courage.
And I don't think people...
People, they look at me like, oh my God, you support this crazy guy.
He has courage.
That takes courage to do that.
And I don't know, and I think it kind of, you know, lately when I'm talking to people who I feel comfortable talking with who disagree with me, I think I'm kind of being more candid of why I support Donald Trump and things like that, you know?
And it's like, I don't have to be ashamed You don't have to be ashamed to have some conservative values.
There's nothing to be ashamed about that.
There's nothing to be ashamed to say, yeah, I think you should wait until you're married.
I think two parents' household is the best.
I think that I care about my country and I don't want people who aren't smart enough who want to live on welfare over here.
There's nothing to be ashamed about that.
You care about your country.
It's weird for people to hear that.
It's weird for people to hear, let's try and figure out how we can serve Americans through government rather than try and serve everyone else around the world at the expense of the Americans.
Yeah, Ann Kohler was saying, it was crazy, she said, um, and the United States isn't a batter's women's shelter.
I was like, yo, that's true.
Like, why do we have to accept crappy people?
Like, why can't we accept the best of the best?
Right.
Yeah, I mean, Australia has a point system wherein, you know, your education and your work history and all that go towards calculating particular points.
Australia has a point system.
I think most of Europe seems to have Greece jetpacks to send people from place to place.
But...
The reality is that America is a golden ticket to the planet.
And there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of people who, if given the opportunity and a portal, would move to America in a heartbeat, which would destroy the entire economy.
In the past, before the welfare state, people came and they either contributed economic value or they went home.
And a third of people who came over from other countries in the 19th century went back home.
But with the welfare state, no, it does not happen, right?
Natives use welfare at 30%, immigrants at 51%, and illegal immigrants at 62%.
So those people coming in are breaking the back of the American economy.
And that is particularly brutal.
And, you know, I think about, and I hate to use this big giant blob, so I apologize for doing so, but when I sort of think about the poorer black community, Well, the welfare state can't continue.
$20 trillion in debt and Bernie Sanders gets in power.
Oh, man, it's going to be brutal because Bernie Sanders has been calculated that he's going to add $20 trillion over a decade to American debt.
I mean, come on, people.
Why 20?
Why not 50?
Why not a billion?
Why not a Googleplex trillion dillion quill?
Why not just keep writing numbers until your arm falls off?
Because at that point, it's just monopoly money anyway.
So when the welfare state starts to run out of money, well, it'd be real nice if people had jobs.
And among the poorer blacks, and this is not particularly true to the poorer blacks, but demographically and statistically, there are more of them.
It's kind of important that they have jobs.
And the fact that a bunch of illegal immigrants are coming in driving down wages is brutal on the black community, because what it does is it means that having welfare is better than getting a job, at least in the short run.
Right.
Mom families, you get hood culture, you get all this mess.
So it is a huge ripple effect, or I guess a domino effect that happens.
And, you know, I can't tell you, man.
Just, you know, just you and me and...
I guess everyone else listens to this story, and I can't tell you, like, I listen to myself, like, hey, I'm talking about borders and illegal immigration, and it's like, hey, man, weren't you an anarchist once?
It's like, well, still am, still am, but there's strategy, and then there's tactics, right?
Right, right.
Strategy is long-term, tactics is short-term, and right now, I'm just descending a little bit from the ivory tower of strategy, a little bit more into tactics, because I just want to be able to keep having a conversation about this stuff.
And I just, can I just give you a little, you've got some time, right?
You're not, you don't have any place you have to be immediately.
Okay.
So this is interesting, because a lot of people get confused about this thing of Donald Trump said, when Mexico sends their people, they're not sending the best or something like that, right?
And people don't understand that.
What do you mean?
Mexico sends their people.
I don't know if you know this.
But the Mexican government has put out a significant number of pamphlets.
And can you guess what those pamphlets have something to do with?
I'm going to guess.
How to get welfare in America?
Just how to get into America.
Oh no, don't worry.
Once you're in America, there'll be plenty of people who'll help you get welfare who work for the welfare department.
Don't worry about that.
The question is, how do you get into America?
I'm not going to read the whole thing.
But here we go.
Dear fellow citizen, this guide tries to provide you with some practical advice that may be useful to you in case you have made the difficult decision to seek new work opportunities outside of your own country.
The safe way to enter another country is by first obtaining your passport, which is issued by the halala and halala and blah blah blah blah blah.
However, you know, however, plan B, which seems to be plan A for a lot, is We actually see many cases of Mexicans who try to cross the northern border without the necessary documentation, crossing high-risk zones that are very dangerous, especially in desert areas or rivers with strong and not always noticeable currents.
As you read this guide, you can also learn some basic questions about legal consequences of your stay in the United States of America without appropriate immigration documents, as well as the rights you have in that country once you are there, independent of your immigration status.
You know what?
I'm sorry.
I said they didn't.
They did.
You're right.
They told you exactly what to do when you get over there.
Dangers of crossing in high-risk zones.
Crossing the river can be very risky, especially if you cross alone and at night.
Thick clothing weighs you down when it's wet and makes it hard to swim or float.
If you cross in the desert, try to travel when the heat is not so intense.
You know, I'm not happy with people coming across who need that kind of instruction.
Highways and towns are very far apart, so they could take you several days to find roads, and you will not be able to carry food or water for that long.
You could even...
Get lost.
Salted water helps you retain body fluids.
Although if you get more thirsty, although you get more thirsty if you drink salted water, the risk of dehydration is lessened.
And then they give you a bunch of dehydration symptoms.
If you get lost, follow utility poles, railroad tracks, or furrows.
Be careful of alien smugglers.
Please see pages 8 to 9.
Be careful of polleros, coyotes, or pateros.
Various names for alien smugglers, of course.
They can deceive you by assuring you they'll cross you, smuggle you across the border, at certain times over mountains or through deserts.
This is not true!
They can put your life in danger, leading you through rivers, irrigation canals, desert areas, along railroad tracks or freeways.
This has caused the death of hundreds of people.
And anyway, do not use false documents.
Just, you know, go without any documents.
If you attain, do not resist arrest.
Do not throw stones or other objects at the officers nor at the patrol cars because that is considered a form of provocation.
Really?
It's good to know.
Do not hide in dangerous places.
Do not cross freeways.
And anyway, so if you are arrested, you have rights.
Give your true name.
If you are a minor and accompanied by an adult, tell the authorities so that they do not separate you.
And anyway, I won't sort of go on.
We'll put the link to this below.
But, you know, I guess they spend a bunch of money printing up these pamphlets.
Do you think that it might be vaguely possible that they could have taken some of that money and put border guards somewhere along this way?
No!
So, and why is the Mexican government doing this?
Well, they say, well, people are going to do it anyway, so we might as well give them safe ways to do it.
But the reality is that...
What happens is Mexicans get to America, they get jobs, and they wire money back to Mexico.
Like, huge amounts of money.
This is one of the ways in which the actual illegal immigration numbers in America are calculated, is trying to figure out how much.
You know, Mexico Central Bank reported Mexicans overseas sent nearly $24.8 billion home in 2015, which is like close to the amount that Mexico gets from like The sale of all its oil.
And I don't just mean for hair gel, although obviously that's a lot.
But yeah, they're giving you guides to how to cross.
You are, you know, all the rights that you have, what you can do when you get across, best ways to not get detained, and just crazy stuff, right?
This is...
And, you know, they do say on the last page, to be fair, this consular protection guide is not promoting the crossing of the border of Mexicans without legal documentation required by the government of the United States.
Its objective is to make known the risks implied and to inform about the rights of migrants regardless of their legal residence.
So, I don't know.
No, it's hard to say that a particular behavior is really strongly condemned by a government which gives you pamphlets on the best ways to achieve that behavior.
So when he says Mexico doesn't send their...
The Mexican government is giving you pamphlets on how to...
I mean, I shouldn't laugh because it's brutal.
And this is where, of course, 80% of the women get raped en route.
It's just shocking.
And I would imagine the number may even be higher.
And I'm sorry to have interrupted, and this is why I asked you if you had time, because I'm really enjoying the chat.
But this, you know, guide to getting into America so that you can send American taxpayers' welfare money back to Mexico.
I mean, it's like, man, you've got to be kidding.
Yeah, that's smart.
I mean, on their part, that's smart on their part, because it's, you know, they have an investment in it also.
It's...
I don't know.
It's just crazy how when you have free stuff, people are going to set up any kind of way to get that free stuff.
In this case, it's welfare.
It's people who got welfare, who cheat in the system, maybe working a little bit, careful about how many hours they go over.
That's what happens when you get free stuff.
It reminded me of the perspectives That the left has and the right has.
For example, in my Spanish class, she showed a video about immigration, right?
But it was a video for us to feel compassionate about the people who are crossing illegally.
It was about a year and a half ago.
And I was like, man, I feel for those people.
Some of the people were crying in the class because, man, these people are crossing illegally.
You got gangs over there.
They just want to get a better life.
Oh, it's horrible stuff.
No question.
Right, right, right.
But then you get the conservative perspective and they're saying, yo, that's illegal.
They're coming over here.
They're getting welfare.
And it's like, hold on, wait a second.
So You're trying to make me feel compassion for these people, but at the same time, they're doing it illegally.
And they're taking benefits from it.
Yeah.
Yeah, look, I mean, Mexico has lived next to one of the giant engines of capitalism for, what, 150?
I don't know.
I'm no expert on it.
A long time.
Let's just put it that way.
Many, many generations.
Mexico has lived right next to One of the great experiments in limited government and free market capitalism.
And what have they done with that?
What have they done living next to and viewing?
It's not like they've got to learn ancient Sanskrit and burrow Indiana Jones style under some ziggurat with flying headless monkeys or something.
They live right next door.
You know, it's sort of like if there's some band that's playing the most beautiful music right next door and they say to me, man, you can record this music and you can just go sell it.
We don't care.
And I don't do it.
Well, okay.
Could be considered a tad lazy.
I certainly can't complain about being broke, right?
Because people would pay millions for this music.
And all Mexico has to do is look north and say, okay, well, this is how successful economic societies work.
You know, looking north and a little bit back in time, perhaps.
Right.
So I have a huge amount of sympathy for the migrants.
I mean, according to the footprints, Mexico sucks to the tune of like, what, a quarter of its entire population has moved to the United States or back and forth.
But as far as Hispanics, at least the ones who are interviewed about political opinions in the United States, what do they want?
Well, they want more government services and they want to pay less taxes.
Hmm.
Hmm, y'all can count, right?
And so, you know, whether it's an IQ thing, and there are, you know, reports that Hispanic IQ is in the high 80s or low 90s or whatever, so maybe they just don't have the intellectual horsepower to vote for the long-term gains and short-term pains of getting a free market.
I don't know what it is.
But if they are not smart enough to have a free market in their own country, coming to America is not going to make America better.
It's going to make it worse, but if there's a welfare state.
And if they are smart enough to do it, but they simply haven't, well, I don't know what to say, but that also doesn't seem to be a huge net positive to America.
Right, right, right.
When...
I don't want to just ask you questions because you're a black guy, because that's not how I roll.
You heard the KKK thing, right?
I disavow, like David Duke saying, yeah, I can see some positive things in Donald Trump.
What were your thoughts about that?
My whole thing was, this isn't an issue.
You can't control...
You can't control people.
There are some people who support Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders.
And some of them are crazy.
But my thing is, you have to look at the principles of what that person is saying.
So it's like, yeah, you're going to get some crazy people.
You're going to get some good people.
But it's like, that's not even an issue.
Why are we talking about that?
Okay, a Ku Klux Klan member.
Who supports Donald Trump?
Donald Trump isn't part of the Ku Klux Klan.
Why are we talking about this?
Like, it's not...
I mean, you're trying to taint his name, but it's just...
I don't know.
It's ridiculous.
It's like...
Well, Hillary Clinton's mentor was...
Robert Byrd was there.
Long-time member of the KKK. Don't hear a lot about that, but some guy talks about Donald Trump.
It's all over the news, and I don't know.
And the racism thing, does this...
Because I don't think anyone's really talked much about anything to do with Donald Trump being racist against blacks, but of course, you know, the big Hispanic...
Although I'm pretty sure if you run a lot of hotels, you can't do that without Hispanics who like working for you.
But do you take any credence in that stuff?
The only thing I know he said about blacks was...
He said, black people love me.
I was like, man.
But it's true.
He got like, what, 15 plus percent?
25% I've heard of some of the black voters going to Trump.
And it's like...
That's more than, like, any of the past presidents or these conservatives.
And it's like, man, like, black people really, like, feeling him.
So, it's just, he's a regular, he's just a regular guy, a businessman.
He don't care what color your skin is.
He just want you to work hard, you know.
And I don't even, I don't know.
I mean, he hasn't said really anything about black people.
But I think the sexiest thing is what's really getting people, though.
Because, um...
I don't know if you saw it, but there's just, on Huffington Post, there was a list of all the sexiest things Donald Trump said.
And so, I mean, basically, you can discount the things that he said, the mean things he said about women.
Because, look, you can say that about men, too, so that's off the chart, whatever.
And then he may have said some weird, funny jokes about his daughter.
That's just humor.
So, I think, I remember when you were talking about how...
The lady reporter, he was like, you wouldn't have gotten this job if you weren't beautiful.
And I was talking to my friend about that.
She was like, that is so sexist.
But I was like, that's true.
That's true.
If you want to be a reporter on national television, you have to look good.
If you're ugly, they're not going to hire you.
So he was just telling the truth about that.
But I think, I can't recall exactly what, but when he says like, I think he said something about Oh, no, no, no.
I know there was a clip where Hillary Clinton was talking about how he was asked something about trusting women.
He was like, well, I can't answer that or something like that.
I don't know, but I think people kind of get the vibe that he's like a...
I don't think he's like the real sexist, like a real, real sexist, but he is kind of like, you know, like I'm the man of the house, so I make the money and she has her place kind of thing.
I don't know.
Well, I mean, he certainly said some negative things about Rosie O'Donnell, but recently Rosie O'Donnell said that Donald Trump couldn't become president because his mouth looks like an anus.
First of all, I don't think that's true.
I haven't done a...
Google Shop comparison, and I'm not going to.
But, you know, where's the outrage again?
It's the usual thing.
Oh, women are being victimized.
You know, his kids seem to have turned out pretty well.
Very well, I would say.
And that certainly seems to be a step up from some of the stuff that seems to have turned out with Rosie O'Donnell's kids.
But, yeah, I mean, it's just this double standard.
I mean, people make fun of Donald Trump's appearance all the time.
You know, and that's just par for the course.
But then the moment he makes fun of some woman's appearance, even in passing and in semi-private, you know, like, I mean, I thought we were supposed to be about equality here.
Where are the feminists complaining that people are making fun of Donald Trump looking like an orange piece of ham with a orangutan comb over?
I mean, that's, you hear that kind of stuff all the time.
Right.
You know, basically just...
Because all that narrative does to me, man, is it just says, okay, well, women are really frail and can't handle any kind of...
But men can handle it.
It's like, okay, well, shouldn't we have those people in charge of the military?
The people who don't faint when a bad word floats past their Victorian earlobes?
Right.
But I'm kind of happy, in a weird way, I'm kind of happy that he's doing that because I think the more...
I don't think.
I think the more you're being politically incorrect, I think people, I don't know, I don't know if this is true, but people may get more comfortable with it.
You understand what I'm saying?
Like a comedian who says politically incorrect things.
At first, like, oh my God, he said that.
But then you just get comfortable with it.
He's like, okay, well, you know, you start not caring about it.
And I think a lot of women, I mean, there's polls say they don't like him, but it's like, I'm glad he's saying I'm glad he's being...
I'm glad he's treating women like he treats men.
Because it's like...
Well, and this is what he says, right?
So he says...
This is from his book, Surviving at the Top.
He says, I'm not a crusader for feminism, and I'm not against it either.
I'm just oblivious to a person's gender when it comes to hiring people and handing out assignments.
And, you know, that's the basic question that I've had with regards to women and minorities.
It's like, do you want me to care that you're a woman?
If you do, then don't ask me for equality.
And if you don't, Then don't complain if I treat you the way that I treat a man.
And, you know, Hillary pays her female staff less than her male staffers.
You know, I mean, you couldn't set this stuff up to be funnier.
But, of course, there's silence about that.
And when it comes to the war on women...
Oh, man, don't even get me started.
You can watch my interview with Roger Stone for more on that.
But The Clinton's War on Women is a great book.
And...
You know, if you want to talk about the war on women, look at how Bill Clinton has allegedly treated a huge number of women throughout the course of his political career, all the way from Arkansas up to the White House.
And look at how Hillary reacted to these allegations after saying that all women who complain of sexual abuse or assault should be believed.
I mean, the idea that Donald Trump making a joke is somehow equivalent to...
What Bill Clinton did, enabled and supported by his wife?
I mean, it's a weird universe where those things are even close to the same end of the scale.
Yeah, it really...
I know, like I said, it kind of shows the hypocrisy because at first, you know, I'm buying into like the war on women, no feminism, these women being hurt, hurt, hurt.
And it's like, yo, you know, if I can help y'all, then let me help.
But then it's like when your own party, when your own people do it, you don't say anything like what happened in Germany or what Bill Clinton, you know, when you want to be politically incorrect, it's like politically correct.
It's like, yo, you were lying to me.
It's like, do you really care?
Were you just lying to me this whole time?
Right.
I'm just curious, because I haven't had the chance to sort of plumb these questions.
Torian, your dad, did he...
You know, I assume this is part of it, growing up black.
But did your dad talk to you much about white culture?
You know, obviously you live in a white-ish country.
Not quite as white as it used to be, but a white-ish country.
What did your dad tell you about...
The country that you lived in and your opportunities and all that.
Honestly, it wasn't even...
I mean, it was just a small little snippet because he was really into African-American culture and stuff like that.
But it was really like...
It wasn't what a lot of the other black kids got.
It wasn't like, you know, the white man is the devil.
There's kind of inherent racism in the structure.
You're going to have to work twice as hard.
It wasn't even really...
It was discussed, but it wasn't discussed like there's boundaries, there's white people who are going to be in your way.
It was never talked to me like that.
By my dad, you know, but I did get it from a lot of people.
Wait, wait, hang on.
I think we're about to pendulum over to your mom, but okay, you were going to say something else about your dad.
No, no, no.
But my dad didn't, but on the other hand.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
But I got it.
I don't know.
I just got it from, you know, just you two, what other people were talking about.
In my household, it really was like that.
But early on, I did feel like, I did feel like, White people did have an upper hand, but it didn't come from my dad, though.
But then eventually, as I got older, I was like, yo, I've kind of been lied to.
Hang on.
So your dad didn't say that white people had the upper hand.
Did you get that from school or from peers or from your mom or whether there's a Black Lives Matter aunt hovering around the dinner table?
I mean, where did you get that other idea from?
Like, well, I mean, there are some people in my family, they may talk about, they used to talk about, you know, like the white man and stuff like that, you know, like the white man and stuff like that, you know, You know, like aunts, like grandmas.
To be honest, I don't know because I wasn't at those dinners.
And in fact, if I had been at those dinners, the conversation might have gone somewhat differently.
So, you know, the you know part, I can't quite get there.
Like I remember my aunt, right?
She's smart, smart as hell, real educated, making good money.
But there were certain times, you know, I would just hear about, you know, you do have a boundary, excuse me, a barrier called, you know, the white man is white supremacist and people are kind of out to get you a little bit.
So I did get that from her.
But, I mean, as I got older, I just, I was like, okay, that's just bullshit.
Because...
But what, I mean, you might be successful in On Smart, which is great, but...
what changed you into thinking that there wasn't this giant white wall of barrier-ness or something?
I don't know.
I think probably two things.
One, I grew up around...
I mean, I grew up around black people.
Middle school, high school, whatever.
And...
I didn't want to be around a lot of these dysfunctional people who were starting fights, you know, kicking in doors, doing dumb stuff.
And so I was like, okay...
The white people are the least of my problems.
Y'all need to get y'all stuff together.
Not a lot of white people coming in through your window.
Right, right, right.
I don't want to say my neighborhood was like that, but I grew up around sections of my neighborhood that were like that.
I had a lot of old people, old black people where I lived.
So I was like, okay, white people are the least of my problems.
And I think Thomas Sowell, just, I think seeing a Black man who had made it, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, people who are made it, and who were conservatives, it was like, oh my God, like, these people, these Black people actually made it, and they're criticizing I don't know.
They're kind of criticizing their own people.
So I was very enlightened about it because it's like, okay, you made it, you're conservative, and you're saying that you grew up in 1930s, 1940s, and you felt like there wasn't really barriers in your way, and you still made it.
And now it's 2016, but there's supposed to be huge barriers in Black people's way.
I don't know if I'm making sense.
No, listen, you're making perfect sense to me.
And it is, you know, one of the, like, I feel like genuinely heartbroken about all this kind of stuff.
Not what you're saying, but just a lot of this mindset.
I've spoken to some white people in my day.
And I'm telling you, I mean, you know, for the black community, we all want you guys to do well.
We all want you guys to be happy and to succeed and to have stable families and to not get wrapped up in the criminal justice system and to not do drugs.
This has been the general sentiment when this topic has come up.
It's like, we're rooting for the black community.
Come on, let's find a way to make this better.
But this idea, and I think some of this comes out in good ways, and some of it comes out in really bad ways, like some of this affirmative action stuff, which is, I think, kind of an insult.
But anyway, I think that there's, I've never like, oh, you know, I mean, just look at it from a damn taxation standpoint, right?
I mean, racism is really expensive, because it's bad enough if the mass talents of black people are not available to society as a whole.
But man, I mean, you have to really, really hate your money to be a racist to the point where you want to destroy the black family, put, you know, millions of black men and women in prison and have, you know, millions of illegitimate babies and millions of welfare.
It's like, man, you've got to want to hand over $10,000 a year to hold down the black community because that's what it's costing you, I guess, just off the top of my head as a bare minimum.
You've really, really got to, like, hate blacks...
And hate your money even more.
And I just, you know, from a bare economic standpoint, I don't think anybody loves their racism that much that they want to pay that amount to hold black people down.
Right, right, right, yeah.
Yeah, because I know, because I know, like, it was like the Jim Crow was like a government program, but a lot of the private businesses and the bus drivers, they didn't really like it because they were losing money from it.
Oh, what do you mean?
Some of the private businesses during the Jim Crow era, they wanted those black customers, but they couldn't do it because it was against the law.
Oh yeah, people think that Rosa Parks was protesting against the bus company.
No.
I mean, bus companies want people who can't afford cars to take the bus, and that was unfortunately a lot of blacks in the day.
And it was the law that the blacks had to sit at the back of the bus.
It wasn't something that the bus company wanted, and yet somehow this is a protest against the free market, not against government.
Right, right, yeah.
Tragic.
And so the second part of my question, I was talking about conservative parents and how a lot of the kids I talk to, I constantly hear, my parents are conservative.
I'm not like that anymore.
I'm better than them.
I've progressed.
And it's like, I'm like, what the hell do these parents do?
Like, to...
To fail to instill those values.
Okay, you know what?
I just think I know they did it wrong.
The school system got to them before the parents did.
Because it breaks my heart because it's like a lot of that stuff, the traditional stuff, marriage, free market policies, waiting until marriage, two family households.
A lot of that stuff is like, oh, that's old school.
That's old school.
You sound like my dad, you sound like my grandpa.
It breaks my heart because those are important things and it's like, what did their parents do to, I don't know, to not instill those values in them?
But then again, the parents are probably competing with the public school system.
Well, yeah.
I mean, obviously you went to that school system, I'm going to assume.
And what were sort of the messages you were getting from the teachers about this stuff?
Like in middle school?
I'm completely honest It was...
My high school, my middle school, it was so dysfunctional.
Like, people, you know, skipping class, people interrupting class.
It was really, like, all a blur.
Man.
So, I like the way you're talking, the stereotype, like, holes in the wall, metal detectors, and lots of disruption and very little learning?
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you, I mean, was there no, I mean, I don't know, I mean, was there any chance to get you to a better school?
I mean, if it's any consolation, my suburban, mostly suburban, I lived in a pretty bad neighborhood, but it was not a bad school, but it's mostly a blur too.
It was just probably not quite as high octane a blur.
Right.
No, honestly there was, but here's the thing.
So, I had two traditional black schools.
I didn't say two traditional black schools, middle school and my high school.
And black people really care about those schools because it's in a black community, black neighborhood, and they want to uphold it.
There's been a couple of times when they want to shut their school down, but they wouldn't let it, you know?
So, you know, my dad...
Me, I knew what it was going to be like going to those schools.
Luckily, I was in some honors class, IB classes, but still, those kids were still kind of interrupting too.
I wanted to go to the number one school, the top schools, but I felt like...
Well, two things.
My dad...
This is, I guess, a con about my dad or whatever, but he didn't want me...
He wasn't as enthusiastic as I was to get out of that thing.
He was like, well, everything will be all right.
People will be all right.
I talk to my friends.
My school is just fine.
You will learn.
You'll get through it and things like that.
And it's tradition.
Why would you want to go to a white school?
It's tradition.
You're black.
You go to school.
It's part of our culture.
The families have gone to this school.
My uncles, they all went to these schools.
But these schools were good back in the day, though.
They're not good now.
Well, because back in the day, you know, there were more stable families and more dads at home and better behavior and all that, right?
Right, right.
So it was opportunity for me to go, but I just...
And I think the application process was very, I don't want to say daunting, but it was like, ah, like I just...
I don't know.
I feel like I didn't have that support to get me to another school.
However, I did...
Okay, so my junior year of high school...
This is a funny thing.
So my junior high school, I had...
I transferred...
I did transfer to a better school, but...
Besides, like, the behavior and everything like that, I wanted...
And I think this...
I don't know why, but I wanted to...
I still wanted to take, like, top-level classes, but this school didn't provide those AP, IB classes that I wanted.
So I transferred back my senior year into those classes, to those classes, my senior year at that school, and...
And not only that, but I did feel more comfortable there at school, because that's just part of the culture.
I just did feel more comfortable at that school.
Looking back, I probably should have stayed at that school, my junior year there.
But I wanted to take some top-level classes.
And not only that, but I was the...
At my old school, I was kind of like the top dog, because I was one of the smartest people.
At that school.
But at that other school, I was a small fish in a big pond.
And...
Yeah, I know.
No, I get what you were coming from.
Yeah, so I had transferred back my senior year.
So I did have an opportunity in my junior year to go to that other school.
But I think...
I don't know.
I think that...
I think, if anything, I wanted to leave my freshman and sophomore year because...
I think that my freshman, sophomore year, a lot of the smart kids, it's funny, I don't know how they did this busing thing, but a lot of the smart kids went to the other schools, and that's when I wanted to go with them.
I was like, okay, my friends leave, and these people, because I wanted to go with them to, like, those, and those regular public schools.
I still want to be in a public school, and I still want to be around them.
And so, I was, they didn't, the whole busing thing, because my area, I stayed at that school, but then I didn't get an opportunity to go to Cato, my, you know, it's like a, um, It's like a dual enrollment, so you take like CPCC courses and other classes, but I didn't, I didn't, I felt more comfortable, you know, being a top dog at my old school.
Right.
No, I can understand that as well.
I can understand that as well.
And what sparked your interest in psychology?
Your show.
Oh, that's nice to hear.
Yeah.
So basically, you were talking about spanking and children and families and things like that, like two summers ago.
And then I started to look inside my family and things like that.
And you were talking about, you know, go to therapy, go to therapy, go to therapy.
For me, I mean, honestly, I've kind of been off and on about therapy.
I'm going to try to be more consistent this summer, though, like really digging into it.
But I've done a lot of work myself, like in journaling and things like that.
And so I was like, okay, if I can help create better childhood, excuse me, better environments in the childhood so that You know, kids can be happier and parents can be happier.
I think that's very important.
I think that's one of the most important fights that everyone needs to take on and stuff like that.
I pass out these non-spanking pamphlets around the neighborhood.
I started this summer around the neighborhood behind my business school.
So I just pass those out and I try to tell people about spanking and things like that.
I don't know.
I just think there's easy and practical ways to, you know, create a better, like you said, create a better society, particularly for the black community, things like that.
And one of the ways is to stop spanking.
That's just one of the ways.
I don't want to say thank you because you're gaining great benefit out of what you're doing, but I hugely appreciate that.
I mean, it's great to hear that what I'm doing is getting out there and motivating people to take on these kinds of perspectives and projects.
I'm going to stay strong, but thank you very much for telling me that.
It's beautiful to hear.
Now, you had a question at the beginning.
I don't know what type of childhoods these people have.
I just did a podcast this last week.
Where do social justice warriors come from?
And there's some theories, and I don't want to sort of go into it in detail here, because I've got a show coming out.
You know, we've got this...
Everything old is square and everything new is cool thing.
You know, like you were saying this about, oh, you sound like my dad or my grandparents or whatever it is.
And, you know, they're so out of touch.
And, you know, now it's a hip new world and get hip to what's going on.
And this fetish for the new is, you know, Mario Rothbard, I can't remember what he called it, but it's basically...
Like relearning old things over and over and over again.
Everything old is prejudicial and everything new is cool.
And what that means is you end up having to, well, relearn the same horrible lessons over and over and over again.
And it seems like we're heading in that direction.
I don't know exactly how you fetishize everything that's new.
I think what you do is you kind of blend everything together.
Like, yeah, there's some old stuff that was bad.
But that doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater.
You try and separate the old stuff that was bad from the old stuff that was good.
But there's this general idea, well, we're just going to wipe the slate clean and start all over according to a brave new world of infinitely malleable human nature.
And it always seems to kind of end in disaster.
Communism is like, well, we'll just reorganize who owns the means of production in paradise.
And it's just...
Man, it's just one of these lessons that in the absence of principles, you either love the old or you love the new.
And neither one is going to get you, I think, to a stable future.
All right.
Is there anything else that you wanted to mention?
No, that's it.
I really appreciate it.
I really appreciate it.
Great stuff.
Well, I hope you don't have to dip your hand too much into the vat asset of social justice warrior spittle in order to get your degree and continue on to become a psychologist.
So, you know, a bunch of stuff you have to do that you don't want to do to get some places and they haven't made it any easier lately.
But I do hope that, you know, you don't have to do too much to continue on with what you're doing.
And, man, you are going to do some great damn good in this world, Torian.
And I am happy to know you.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, man.
You're welcome back anytime.
Alright, up next we have Carol and Raphael.
Carol originally wrote in and said, I am a single mom, and I understand that I chose this, and I could have prevented it.
My boyfriend, soon-to-be husband, showed me your videos, and I have learned a lot from it.
My question is, by getting married, will that change the negative repercussions of single parenthood?
That's from Carol, and both Carol and Raphael are on the line.
Wait, I can't just set you guys against each other for fun?
Okay, you're both here.
All right.
How are you guys doing?
Doing pretty well.
Doing well, Stefan.
All right.
Well, great question.
I don't know if anyone knows for sure, and I know that I don't know in your particular circumstances, of course, with any degree of certainty, but there are probably some useful questions to ask, if that helps.
So, can you tell me a little bit about...
I guess it's the first to count a little bit about your situation, how you came to where you are.
Well, let's see.
I met my son's father, probably like 18, 19 years old.
We were taking a GED class together.
And probably about like three months into that relationship, I was on the verge of crashing anyway.
I found that I was pregnant.
Oh, sorry, on the verge of crashing?
What do you mean?
We were arguing like over...
Oh, breaking up, you mean?
Yeah, yeah.
We were going to...
Okay.
Sorry, just not hip to the lingo, but go ahead.
Sorry.
Yeah, we were on the verge of breaking up and then I was like, well, let me take a pregnancy test really fast and voila, there I was.
I was pregnant and...
I looked at all my options.
At one point I was even considering adoption because I knew that the relationship between the father and I would not have worked and I was right.
But I did try to stick it out.
I was convinced that maybe I should try and try with him for probably about a year and then Things got very out of hand, very physical, to a point that at the end he did put his hands on me and at that point I left the relationship.
And it was back and forth between after that.
I had full custody for a while because he was doing drugs.
And it slowly started progressing better where he started getting his son on the weekend and during the summer.
And that's pretty much it.
I'm not sure what else you need to know from me.
What else do you...
I guess if we could step back to the oopsie.
Okay, the oopsie.
Yeah.
How did you get pregnant?
I didn't use birth control.
Ah!
Yes, I believe that implied in the name, right?
So why weren't you using birth control?
I was thinking about this a lot since I had decided to be on the show.
Why did I choose to get pregnant?
And I think what was really happening is the relationship before him...
And then my entire life has been very dysfunctional.
I had like the not having a family when I was a kid and the last relationship I was in before him was very abusive and I figured A baby will help keep a man, in a sense, and will make a person love me as well as, you know, I would have a child to love and I'll have a family and I'll make it better than my family was.
And I think that was the mindset on why I chose to get pregnant.
Knowing that I've only had been in the relationship with that individual for probably like three months.
Really rational thinking, I say.
Right.
I mean, it's not unknown, the idea that if a relationship is going bad, a child is going to solve it, right?
Yeah.
Right.
And was he physical before?
Later on in the relationship, or did he show signs of dysfunction beforehand?
He definitely showed signs beforehand, I think, with the way we would argue.
I don't think I've ever argued with somebody to the extent that I'd argued with him.
And I think, especially when I was getting close to delivering the child, he got very demanding and very His emotions were either good or bad to both extremes.
Very verbal, very, very verbal with me in most extents.
And then towards the end it did get, you know, physical.
But all the signs were there.
Definitely.
Right.
Right.
And how old is the child?
He's four right now, yeah.
Okay.
And how long have you and Raphael been going out?
I'm going to say about like two and a half, three years maybe?
Yeah.
Two and a half, three years.
Okay.
All right.
And Raphael, what's your history?
My history as far as I don't have children on my own.
I don't have no biological children.
I grew up with my father and my mother.
I have a younger brother.
My father has an older daughter.
She is my half-sister.
As far as what pertains to Carol and I, I met Carol when I was about 17.
She's seven years younger than I am.
Through a mutual friend.
But we didn't start seeing each other intimately or even physically until about three years ago.
So the child was probably around one turning two or something like that.
And how did you guys end up getting together?
I'd say, I don't know, there was definitely a physical attraction.
I wasn't thinking with my higher mind, if you can put it that way.
It was definitely a physical attraction.
And so we hooked up and we continued to see each other physically.
And then we kind of became a couple about three years ago.
Okay.
All right.
And I'm just guessing from your name, are you from a Hispanic background?
My father is from Central America and my mother is from Portugal.
And we, of course, for those who don't know, we sometimes will ask, often will ask callers into the show to give what's called an adverse childhood experience test, which was developed, I think, by Dr.
Vincent Felitti, who's been on the show a couple of years ago.
I'm talking about it, and I won't go into the details, Carol, but you filled it out, and you have an adverse childhood experience score of 10 out of 10, which is a perfectly dreadful score.
Yeah.
I assume that Raphael knows all about this, right?
Yeah.
Right.
Well, I don't know...
You know, I don't know much about studies that have been done in terms of blended families and their positive or negative effects on children.
So I guess I'm just going to ask a couple of questions to ask the stability or potential stability of your relationship, right?
Because, I mean, Carol, you come from a truly terrible and terrifying childhood, right?
Yeah.
So...
You know, through absolutely no fault of your own, with all the greatest and deepest sympathy that you can imagine coming from me, you don't have a lot of the skills that would sort of naturally be built in.
And like I said, this is someone, same with me, right?
So this is not any kind of negative towards you.
But there will be some challenges in terms of a long-term stable relationship, given your background.
Is that fair to say?
Yeah, that's fair to say, yeah.
And Rafael, what about you and your childhood?
Do you feel relatively well equipped to enter into a long-term marital relationship?
I do.
And how's that?
The upbringing I've had was a pretty solid one as far as understanding the respect for my elders.
I grew up my father working, my mom raising us.
The wisdom that I've picked up through your peaceful parenting show series, rather, has helped a lot in Carol's development as a mother.
This was before I even considered being a father figure to the boy.
I am patient.
I... I understand the power of listening and I observe before I act.
And of course, this is all for the most part.
And I believe I'm capable of of understanding the importance of I guess diplomacy or communication between an adult and a child.
And that helps me be a long-term father figure.
And do you want, Rafael, do you want children of your own?
I would like children of my own, yes.
Right.
And when would you like to have children?
In about three years.
Okay, okay.
So, have you guys been living together?
Yes.
Okay, and how long have you been living together?
Well, we got married on Saturday.
We've probably been living together for about...
Consistently about two months.
I always came over and I slept here every once in a while.
But I didn't really live with Carol until about two months ago.
Would you say that's right?
Right.
And does the child know, Raphael, that you're not the biological father?
I believe he has that understanding, yeah.
And is the biological father, I'm sorry if I missed this earlier, in the picture or not?
Um...
Well, prior to the past two months, he was seeing his biological father just about every weekend.
But something had been said that came from his mouth.
That was very, very dangerous words and I had to call DCF and I decided to take full custody because of the extent of what was said.
I have nearly no correspondence with the father.
Right.
And Rafael, what is it about Carol that made you want to have her be your wife?
I see a desire to become a more enlightened individual.
That's to say, I see her practicing honesty.
I see her practicing...
Rigorous honesty, not just brutal honesty, more working towards being a better person in general.
She has qualities of a wife that I really admire.
And Carol, with regards to Raphael, the same question?
I think he inspires me to become better.
All of my beliefs that I believe were gained from my life experiences, he's called them to attention for me to challenge those beliefs and practices and And it's great no one's actually ever done it in the way and the manner he does.
And I think we have like an overall great relationship when there's an issue that happens.
We actually work it out and talk through things and communicate effectively, which is something I can't say for my past relationships.
Right.
You had to put it mildly, right?
Yes, absolutely.
And that's been, I think, the big factor in all this is that we're both willing to grow and learn from each other and learn from our mistakes, should we make any.
And that would be the primary force factor of why we're together and why we decided to get married.
Because we're able to work through things.
I think that's what a marriage should be about.
Right.
And Raphael, I'm going to assume that you are fairly comfortable with saying that Carol's child is your child.
Effectively.
I feel that I have...
Yes.
The answer is yes.
I feel that I've I've helped develop the child more into a stable human being than the biological father has.
Right, right.
Well, I mean, as far as good things to do, I mean, I would assume, or I believe, that the good things to do with regards to the child are the same good things that you would do With your own biological shared children or if you were without children, what you would do and that is, you know, to listen to each other, to respect each other, to maintain high standards of behavior, to resolve conflicts in a respectful and peaceful manner.
And, you know, if you can do all of that and, you know, hopefully if you are interested in this show, that's a course that you're embarking on.
If you can achieve all of that, then I think that your child is very lucky to live in an environment with those kinds of principles in play.
And as far as having a new father figure or, you know, let's just be honest, I mean, parenting is a verb, not a noun, or to parent is a verb, not a noun.
And so, you know, Raphael, if you're doing the parenting, then you are the father.
You know, the not entirely respectful term, sperm donor, is not being a father.
That's fathering, but that's not being a father.
And so, if you are the primary Male role model and you're there and you're involved and so on.
You're fortunate insofar as my understanding is that studies say that after about the age of five, it's really tough for a step-parent to have any particular authority over a child.
So the fact that you've been around for a couple of years makes it a lot easier as far as that goes because you're going to have the natural authority of having been there and you're not going to get the inevitable, you're not my dad stuff, you know, that's going to come up as teenagers.
So...
Yeah, I mean, if you guys are committed to peaceful parenting, committed to a respectful interaction with each other, I think that your child not only will not have the negative consequences of single motherhood, but will have significantly more positive consequences than the majority of the population who aren't actually pursuing these things.
Now, who's taking care of the child?
At this moment?
No, I don't mean like in the call, but as a whole.
Mostly me.
I'm home about 80% of the time.
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
Yeah, I mean, it sounds like a pretty good setup.
And as far as, you know, children of single moms goes, it sounds like Raphael and Carol, your kid is, let's just say, pretty well positioned as far as that goes.
You know, the challenge, you know, with such a high Adverse Childhood Experience score, the challenge is going to be...
To maintain the positivity and commitment to peaceful parenting as the child gets older because, you know, the child gets older, they get their own mind and I'm not saying that they don't when they're four but it tends to escalate from there and it can, you know, tweak a little bit the Some of the old wounds, you know, as the song says, you can sew it up, but you can still see the scar.
And that is going to be a challenge.
But, you know, if you guys are committed to the general principles of peaceful parenting and real-time relationships and other positive relationship interactions, I think that will be something that you'll be able to deal with positively as it comes along.
Okay.
Okay.
Good.
All right.
Did you have any other, any questions?
No, Stefan.
No, no.
Alright, well, congratulations on your marriage and I'm sure it's going to be great and I really, really appreciate the fact that You guys are looking into helping to avoid some of the challenges of, you know, single parenting and blended families and all that.
And there are some significant challenges.
Just being aware of them and knowing that they're there is like three quarters of the battle of, well, really almost all the battle of solving it.
So I really respect you guys for looking into these issues and for asking questions.
You know, I obviously can't give you any kind of authoritative answer, but it certainly sounds like you're committed to the right things.
And, you know, that's more than half the battle.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Alright.
Thanks, guys.
Pleasure chatting.
Up next is Marcus.
Marcus wrote in and said, Hello, Stefan.
Brazil is going through a political and economic crisis that is mainly caused by the current party in power, PT, the Workers' Party.
Most people are unhappy with the government and the Workers' Party, among other parties, is being investigated on charges of corruption.
Why do leftists, in the face of blatant incompetency and corruption, still support the government?
And why is that?
Like much in the U.S., university students my age are among the biggest supporters of Marxist ideas and governments.
That's from Marcus.
Hello, Marcus.
How are you doing tonight?
Hello, Stefan.
I'm doing okay.
What about you?
I'm doing well.
I'm doing well.
Thank you.
Now...
Mike and I are constantly circling around, we really should do something on Brazil.
We really should do something on Central America, South America, and so on.
And we are in the process of figuring our options out as far as that goes.
But of course, a lot of people don't know much about Brazil and what's going on.
Can I just give a few facts and then you can sort of take it from there?
Sure, go ahead.
So...
Not been a great 2016 for Brazil so far, would you agree with that?
Yes, definitely, definitely.
I mean, there's this pendulum on-again, off-again impeachment of President Rousseff.
It's being voted right now.
Yeah, it's on again back now, right?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Worst recession in 80 years, according to some estimates.
Other estimates, it's the worst recession ever.
Zika virus, drug gangs, homicides, and I guess we don't know what's happening with the Summer Olympics this August, right?
And it is a...
A terrible thing.
And terrible in particular because, boy, it was doing pretty well.
So here's a fact.
This is something that a lot of people don't know.
From 1930 to 1980, only Japan's gross domestic product grew faster than Brazil's among major economies.
Japan, as you may remember, went through a little bit of a war during that time.
So only Japan's GDP grew faster than Brazil's.
Since the mid-1990s, about 20% of the population, about 40 million people, have come out of poverty and into the middle class.
It's one of these China-slash-India, you always got to throw Brazil into one of these...
Amazing things that some free market reforms have done.
And, you know, Brazil's, what, the world's eighth biggest economy now.
And that is an amazing thing.
There are, well, some historical leftover problems.
Hey, remember how slavery was going to be so great for everyone?
Turns out, well, Brazil imported more than 10 times as many slaves as the United States.
And...
1888, it was the last country in the Americas to abolish slavery, and they just abandoned slaves, freed slaves abandoned sort of their own fate.
In the 1940s, half of Brazilians are literate, malnourished, and often barefoot.
And life expectancy at birth, even in the 1940s, was only 43.
At that time, in America, it was 70.
And Literacy now above 90%.
Hunger has largely been eliminated.
Expectancy at birth is now 74 up from 40 compared to 79 in the United States.
So there has been some amazing progress in Brazil going from the third world to, I guess, closer to the first world for sure.
And then the leftists came in.
So, if that you think is a fairly, I'm sorry for so brief, it's obviously a giant country and I've only visited it once, but is there anything that you wanted to add to my admittedly extremely brief overview?
No, it's...
It's pretty much correct, and I know it's very simple, but you're correct about most of what you said.
I would only disagree with the 40 millions who came out of poverty.
Well, but I think you said that they came out during the 90s, right?
Yes, that's the information that I have, which I will completely defer to you if you have better info.
Well, it's because the leftists here really like to show a number of 36 millions of people coming out of poverty during the Lula government.
And that's a very high inflated number.
Was it also just borrowing and welfare?
Yes, pretty much.
Let's count on absurd.
How much do a person have to get paid to be considered middle class in the United States or Canada?
I don't know, but I would imagine sort of $30,000, $40,000.
All right.
So, right now, the leftist government counts any family who receives about 200 reais per head.
It counts as middle class.
200 what?
200 reais or coin.
And what is that in dollars?
It's very, very, very low.
I don't know what's the current exchange.
Unless they're gold coins, I'm guessing we're not getting to be equivalent here.
Yeah, it's like $30, $40, maybe $50.
I don't know, it depends on the variation.
But it would be that $50 per head, being optimistic, counts as middle class here for them.
So like $8,000 a year kind of thing.
So they've redefined middle class down.
Yes.
In order to say there's more middle class.
All right.
That's a fair correction.
Wanted to mention as well, Brazil's tax code.
You ever look at the American tax code and thought, you know, that's just not complicated enough.
Well, if you feel that way, Brazil is the place for you to go to.
Not only does it have the Samba and lots of fruit on the hat, but it also has a tax code which the World Bank has called the world's most complex in, well, on the planet.
That's not going to be much fun to navigate, right?
Yes.
I actually study law and I'm going to have to study it.
So, from what I read about it, it is indeed one of the most complicated.
And it has to be because Brazil has a case of extreme and rampant corruption.
It's not only in the workers' party, it's in every other party.
All of them are corrupt.
Seriously, you cannot point a party that has no cases of corruption in every sphere, be it in the cities, in the state, in the federal government.
All of them have corruption cases.
So that's why they made the tax system very complicated, so they can easily steal more.
Yeah, if you can make your getaway in the fog of bureaucratic language, you're set.
Yeah, that's what I'm kind of trying to say.
Because, seriously, Stefan, you complain sometimes, I watch your videos, about how Canada has a very big...
Lots of taxes and very heavy burden on the middle class, but it's unbelievable the quantity of taxes we have here.
Seriously, we have to pay for anything we import, of course, to pay taxes on most things that we buy.
Seriously, the other day I bought a bag, a backpack.
And the price was 80% higher than it should be because of all the taxes it had.
Seriously, there's just a lot of taxes here.
A lot of things are way more expensive than they should be.
And we simply, unlike Canada and unlike other Scandinavian countries, which have heavy taxes as well, we see absolutely no return.
Our education is very flawed.
Public transport, safety.
Seriously, I take the bus every day and I'm afraid I'm going to get mugged on the bus or maybe even killed.
And our police force is incompetent.
It is weak.
It has no impact on crime prevention.
And we can't even bear guns anymore because...
One of the things the left first did when they came to power was to take away our guns.
And crime has gone up, of course, as in every case in the world.
And yeah, pretty much that's it.
Brazilians often say that, okay, if we paid our taxes and we had something that came back in the form of better roads, better education, better healthcare, it would be...
Not that it would be correct because tax is theft, but...
It would be at least better than what we have now because we have to pay our taxes for the education system and we can't even go to the education system because most people will not put their children on public education here because it is just a sentence of that this person is never going to rise up in life.
Well, it's going to be harder, you know?
And everyone has to go to private education.
Yes, of course, of course.
Seriously, there are lots of cases of students pointing guns at teachers sometimes.
I remember in the state where I live, in the city where I live, a few years ago, a student killed a teacher.
And, yeah, it's not good.
It's not pleasant.
Because I actually lived...
Right now, I live in kind of a good neighborhood.
But a couple years ago, I was living in a...
Not really a slum, but it was...
I guess you could say it was like in the hood in the United States.
and there was a public school right in front of my house there and simply one day when I came back I was traveling and I came back my mother told me they killed they killed a man a student in front of the public school because he was having an affair with the girlfriend of a drug dealer a local drug dealer yikes And
I would see drug dealers all the time there.
I would often, you know, try to stay away as much as possible, of course, but it wasn't always possible and it was not pleasant.
But, yeah.
And right now, the leftists here, they're trying to, I don't know if you know about this, but they're trying to say there's a coup going on.
Huh.
I did not know that.
Is that how they're characterizing the corruption charges?
Yes, yes.
They say that the impeachment, which we have the Senate voting on it right now, and if they accept it today, tomorrow she will be out of the government for 180 days.
And they say that it is a coup and that they are...
Trying to...
Like, it's just a powerful elite of white people who are trying to raise all the good that the Workers' Party has done for Brazil.
And they're trying to keep the poor being poor.
And they're trying to keep the blacks from getting education.
And they're trying to keep women submissive.
They are using all the cards that...
What social justice warriors use in other countries, they are using it all at once and saying that it is a coup.
And one of their main motto is that there will be no coup.
And seriously, the situation here is kind of unbearable for the middle class because we have to pay a lot of taxes.
And the economy is already very weakened because of the policies of the president.
And the president, as a typical leftist, Their main plan is raise taxes to increase revenue and hope for the better, I guess.
Right.
Now, I guess, like all countries with a history of slavery, there is, I don't know if it's too strong to call it social apartheid, but there does seem to be a split, one of many, in Brazil between those of white ancestry and those of black ancestry.
Is that fair to put it, or is there other ways that that can be understood?
Yes.
I think it will not be on the degree of the United States.
I think that the split there is bigger than Brazil, unbelievably.
But here, it's the case that, for example, My mother, she is white.
She is, like, whiter than you.
My father...
Have I become, like, the extreme white, like, oh my god, whiter than Steph?
I'm at the absolute edge of the rainbow as far as that goes.
Alright, fair enough.
It's just that you're European.
My mother is white.
My father, he was my color, maybe a little bit black.
My mother's mother, she is a mix of Native American and black.
My mother's father was blonde and had green eyes and was white as well.
And seriously, everyone, most people here, have black Indians and European ancestries.
And if we were going to talk about racism, it would...
For example, okay, my forefathers, they were slaves, enslaved as well.
There were probably slave owners as well.
But...
I don't know.
It's not like in the United States where there was no racial mixing during the colonization, you know?
During the slavery years.
Here in Brazil, and like in other South American countries, the race mixing was way bigger.
So everyone has a little bit of black and white.
And...
I think that in Brazil, the left, it tries to say what you said, that there is a social apartheid, that people suffer because they are black, and that's it, just because they are black.
But I think that in Brazil, and I have my friends also think that, including a black friend.
In Brazil, we have More prejudice against poor people, like your social economical class is more determinant of what you're going to be, if you're going to suffer prejudice or not, than your race.
Because, for example, my friend, he always had the same education as I did.
We had good private education.
We go to private universities right now.
He is black, but he, like me, he has all the opportunities in life.
There's not going to be someone who is going to not hire him just because he's black.
Maybe there will, but these people are extremely rare.
So I don't think that racial narrative applies to Brazil, like it applies in the United States.
And also because if you go to the slums, you'll see a lot of white people there too.
It's not just black people.
I would agree that black people are the majority of poor people, of course.
But still, it's not just because they're black.
It's just because they lack opportunities in education.
And yeah, that's what I think about it in Brazil.
Yeah, I mean, one of the problems is white flight, right?
White flight?
What do you mean by that?
Well, so the European upper middle class are leaving for developed countries.
So the government pays great students to go travel abroad, and a lot of them don't come back.
And as I was reading, there's a seven-year backlog at the Italian embassy of Brazilians trying to get citizenship.
And the white population has shrunk considerably from the, I think, low 60s or high 50s down to the low 40s.
And so a lot of the whites have left Brazil.
And, you know, as a result, given that the whites may statistically have higher IQs than everyone else, well, there is a challenge then, right?
I mean, third world countries, not that I'm saying Brazil is a third world country, but third world countries are notoriously corrupt.
And when sort of white Europeans leave, whether it's IQ or just a history of trying to have some sort of integrity in government, a lot of the corruption tends to go up.
So if you look at when the British left some various colonies, the corruption went up through the roof.
And now Brazil is, well, I guess tied with two other white countries, Bulgaria and Greece, in terms of corruption, 69th among 175 countries.
That's from 2014.
So, that's, you know, that's sort of what I was wondering about.
Because the whites in general have a below replacement, significantly below replacement level.
And overall in Brazil, it's 1.8, which is, I guess, less than the 2.1 you need.
And...
I think that, and that process tends to accelerate, right?
So as we just call them the smart people, right, doesn't mean that they have to be whites, could be any group, but maybe slightly more concentrated among the whites.
As the smart people leave Brazil, then Brazil gets worse.
The fact that Brazil took in 130,000 Haitian refugees in 2010, although the actual number is probably far higher, Haitians have an average IQ of 67, mostly illiterate, and have a habit of practicing voodoo.
And that is a problem.
So it tends to accelerate.
So as more smart people leave Brazil, the resulting government gets more corrupt.
And as the government gets more corrupt, more smart people want to leave Brazil.
And I think you can see where this goes.
I understand what you're trying to say, but I don't want to sound all Marxist-y here.
But for many decades, Brazil was mainly controlled by white people.
And the white people, actually, they did not do...
It wasn't like, oh, Brazil...
It wasn't like South Africa, you know?
How the apartheid government was actually better than what they have nowadays.
Because there were more whites there.
But...
The whites here just aren't like the whites in other places, I believe.
Because if they were, they wouldn't have...
We've allowed this to happen because it's not a problem that has suddenly happened in the last two decades.
It has been something that has always happened.
It has been something that has always been going on and nowadays it's reaching, I believe, I want to believe its climax.
It's going to end, I believe, in these next few decades.
Sorry, what's going to end?
The government as we have it, the structure, because the main problem in Brazil is the structure.
You talk a lot about incentives and Brazil has just a lot of incentives for you to be corrupt.
I don't know if you have ever heard about Jeitinho Brasileiro.
It's like Brazilian's way where we try to get advantages of everything we can.
I did not know that.
Yeah, there's a culture, the culture, the malandro culture, the culture of the smart guy.
Street smart, if you know what I mean.
A hustler.
Yeah, kind of that.
Something who, like, he'll do something that will...
Be bad for other people, but he'll be okay.
He will get some profit out of it.
It doesn't matter to other people.
It has always had this culture, be it with white majority, be it with black majority.
And white people, I really understand what you said, but I don't think it applies to Brazil because of what I said.
Right.
So, no, I certainly appreciate that, and I never want anyone to bow their experience to my readings.
No, I may be wrong, but that's what I think from seeing here.
50,000 murders a year.
Brazil, pretty close to having the highest murder rate in the world.
25.2 per 100,000.
So that's...
That's a bit of a challenge.
Now, the result, and please don't, I mean, I don't want to sort of say wherever there are whites, there are the free market because, you know, whites seem to have bitten deep of the socialist apple of Satan pretty well compared to everything else.
So it's not the case as much as that.
But why do leftists still support the government?
It's their religion.
It is their religion.
And the government is their God.
The government is the God that is going to provide them with power and resources and money and control over others.
And if you look at what God does in the Old Testament, well, it's a lot of not so nice stuff, but it hasn't interfered with people worshiping him.
And so, if you don't have principles, you have allegiance.
And whatever you have allegiance to, you generally cannot question.
And this occurs across a wide variety of perspectives along the political spectrum.
But they can no more give up the government than the religious person can give up their god.
It doesn't mean that none of them will.
But because it's a secular religion, it is tougher to uproot in some ways than a supernatural religion.
Yeah, I understand that all Marxists are like that, and I'm certainly a very anti-Marxist person, but...
What gets me crazy about it is because I have some friends.
Because before I went to this private university, I was studying at a public university.
I was majoring in international relations until I quit and started studying law.
In international relations, you have to study a lot of political science and economics, among other stuff.
And of course, we were heavily exposed by Marxist theory, critical theory.
And me, I have always been an anti-Marxist since I was, seriously, very young.
But my friends, I slowly watched a few of my friends, including one who I knew even before The university.
They slowly started picking up this Marxist train of thought.
And nowadays they are extremely, extremely...
Not 100%.
Not like the radicals who are occupying public buildings and blocking roads right now.
Because that's happening.
It happened yesterday.
But they are not...
Extreme like that.
But they believe everything the government says.
They believe everything in Marxist theory.
No matter how many times I try to show them evidence that it hasn't worked.
No, but it's because they want to get laid.
Just because of that?
Well, it's got a lot to do with it.
I know when there's a large government...
There's a lot of women dependent on the state.
A lot of single moms, a lot of women depending on the state.
Now, the dependence on the state might be old age pensions, it might be government jobs, it might be being teachers, it might be being single mothers.
Wherever there's a big government, look for the women who are dependent on the state.
It's not the only factor, but it's kind of an often overlooked one.
Look for the women who are dependent on the state.
And then what happens is, look at how the women are going to reject the free market people for interfering with the women getting resources from the state.
So, but usually the leftist guys, they are kind of weaklings.
They are like unmanly men.
Well, they are selected, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They are selected.
And so they can't afford to offend women because they're not attractive enough to women to offend them.
And so they try to appease women by being pro or for the system that gives the women the resources they've come to depend on from the state in the hopes of, well, the aforementioned getting laid.
Well, it kind of makes sense, but...
Seriously, I cannot believe how someone can compromise their moral identity to something as common as that.
Well, evolution doesn't care much for moral identity, does it?
I mean, it just wants to get the sperm to the egg.
Yeah, makes sense.
Makes sense.
I mean, I appreciate your integrity, and it's great that you have it, and I respect and admire it, but I would not confuse that with biological demands.
And I'm just trying to get you to save some time.
You know, there's no ideology that can get between the sperm and the egg, because...
Any ideology that got between the sperm and the egg died out pretty quickly genetically.
So I'm trying to give you a perspective that I think has value and that hopefully will help save some time from you trying to convince people that they shouldn't get laid, which is a very, very difficult thing to do.
I kind of have given up on trying to convince people.
Only a friend that I talk to about sometimes.
And I believe I am having some progress about trying to influence him about the free market.
But he has some doubts still.
Like I do.
I'm not an anarcho-capitalist yet, I think.
But your channel has taught me a lot.
And I read a lot too.
And I used to be kind of a statist like them, but a statist on the right.
I don't know if you know what I mean.
Like a collectivist, but not a Marxist collectivist, you know?
Yeah.
And...
Yeah, when I started to watch your channel and read about that in school, I found out that some things that I thought were wrong, like...
For example, the redistribution of income.
I used to be having a favor of that.
I thought it would be like a stepping stone for people to write up, but evidence has shown that it only makes them go down lower.
Also, I wanted to ask, if there is no way that we can convince them In abandoning their thoughts and making them listen to reason and evidence.
What do we do then?
Because they're going to try to steer the government to catastrophe, like they're doing everywhere, absolutely everywhere in Europe, in the United States, here.
And, seriously, I think we're going to reach a point that we have to have a war to raise all these harsh black people because they're messing up with our future.
They're messing up with your children's future, my children's future.
They're messing up with the last guy that talked to, I forgot his name, because they want black people to Yeah, I mean, I don't know any particular answer.
If you can make as public a set of arguments as possible, then your likelihood of influencing people whose minds can be changed goes up considerably.
And so this is why I don't sort of go door to door, but instead work in a public sphere, is that I can reach people who can be reached much more effectively and efficiently in the public sphere than cornering people at karaoke, and to partly they convert to some sort of rational way of thinking, which is not, I guess, really a conversion, but an illumination.
And so, yeah, you work publicly, and either you're going to have a positive influence.
I mean, there's three possibilities.
You change people's minds and avert disaster.
Yay!
Wouldn't that be nice?
Number two, you don't change people's minds.
Disaster happens and you gain credibility because you predicted it and people turn to you for a solution, right?
Or number three, you try to change people's minds Their minds don't change, disaster happens, and nobody turns to you for credibility, and they just start doing the same thing again.
Those are really, I think, the only three possibilities.
I certainly can't predict which one of them is going to come true.
If I could predict the future with that certainty, I would be a being beyond time, space, and dimension.
And so, I think my argument is work as publicly as possible.
And try to get your arguments to as many people as possible.
You know, if you've got a valuable plant that needs very specific soil and you can't go out and find each particular patch of soil, you've just got to drop a lot of seeds.
I think that's how that works.
And so that would be my suggestion.
Work as publicly as possible.
If people change, great.
If they don't change, at least you have the best chance of having credibility after disaster strikes.
I understand.
I understand.
So there's really not much we can do other than trying to convince them and hope for the best.
Well, we have the internet, so we have the most capacity of any truth tellers in history to speak to the world.
Yes.
So that is something I think that should give us great encouragement rather than, oh, well, I guess all we can do is have a free medium by which we can speak to the entire planet.
Well, that's not bad overall.
Yeah, it's not bad, but still, for example, your show has probably converted a lot of people, rotations on that convert, but do you think that, for example, It's going to be enough to make Europe steer away from disaster.
If I converted as many people as you did in Brazil here, do you think it will be enough to, how can I say it?
I know, avert disaster.
I don't know, but I know that if no good people do anything, disaster will happen for sure.
You know, every firefighter who goes to a blaze that's a big blaze, they don't know if they're going to be able to put the fire out and save everyone, but they know if no one goes, the fire burns everyone.
You go and you act the best that you can with the compassion and commitment of a good person, and what happens after that is outside of your control.
You aim your Water.
You aim your hose and your water at the base of the fire, and you do your very best, and more than that, you cannot do.
So I know that if no good person does anything, disaster becomes inevitable, and we don't want that.
All right.
I understand.
All right.
I'm going to move on to the last caller.
Sorry to interrupt.
I move on to the last caller.
Thank you very much for calling.
Thank you.
You just posted about what your thoughts are.
It was very, very pleasurable to chat with you.
Pleasure of mine.
Take care.
Okay, up next we have Nick.
Nick wrote in and said, I have a question about the refugee crisis in the Middle East.
I'm wondering why China is not involved in accommodating or supporting any refugees, even though they have many large, empty cities.
That's from Nick.
Hey Nick, how are you doing?
I'm doing good, how are you?
I'm doing well, thanks.
Is that a serious question or a rhetorical question?
Um...
I mean, I kind of already know the answer.
I just wanted to see what you would say.
Why don't you take a swing at the answer?
I'll give you three reasons.
One, they're communist.
Number two, why should they?
Number three, they're communist.
So, that's all I've got.
Alright.
Do you want to break those out a little bit?
Um, okay.
Um...
From how I understand it, they're communists.
They don't want any of the Muslims coming into the country when they're already trying to crack down on their own Muslims out in the western part of China.
And, of course, communism is supposed to be atheists and not supposed to believe in the god and good communists don't have souls and all this other stuff.
That's about the first thing.
And then the second thing is, why should they?
Why should they take and burden all of these refugees when the West is willing and is kind of being forced to by themselves and is undermining themselves when they shouldn't have to, basically?
That's what I got.
Yeah, I mean, this is one of the benefits of not having a foreign policy that involves a significant amount of meddling in the Middle East.
Right.
I mean, they don't feel that they own the displaced people or some self-displaced but displaced people from the countries in the Middle East because they weren't largely responsible for helping to smash them up.
Right, right.
So, I mean, when Donald Trump says that they're going to resist the siren song of globalism, He's saying that they're going to have a sensible foreign policy designed to advance America's interests and not get entangled in psychotic foreign wars that displace and destroy entire regions and may lay waste to European civilization as a whole.
Right.
So, I'm not saying that China is, you know, extraordinarily peaceful and stay-at-homey, but their sort of areas of interference, such as Tibet and so on, they...
They're not going to the Middle East much, right?
And funny, I don't know if anyone's asked, but I can't imagine that they would be anything other than look at you funny like, what?
No.
Right, and I talked to my parents about it, and my dad kind of just sat there for a second and goes, wow, that's a great idea.
Of course, they'll never do it, because they don't have to.
The West doesn't have to either.
The West doesn't have to either, but...
But we're kind of being guilted into it.
We're kind of being guilted into it, in a way.
Because, oh, we started the war, and we have such a higher standard of living, and all this stuff.
But if you think about it, we didn't really start it.
It was their own uprising, how I look at it.
It was their own doing, and if you can't handle it, then...
I don't know, just...
I mean...
Well, whoever's doing it was, it wasn't the average person in the West.
It wasn't their doing.
You know, like, oh, colonialism is like, yeah, colonialism sucked for the average Westerner.
And so the other thing, of course, with regards to China is I'm pretty sure, I don't think they've signed the Schengen Agreement, I'm pretty sure that they don't have a giant set of Refugee benefits and migrant benefits and welfare and free healthcare and dentistry and whatever else is being showered on people.
Some to the tune of like $5,000 a month can be showered on these Middle Eastern migrants.
And it's a kindness in many ways.
I mean, because if you were to drop the average Arabic-speaking Muslim into China without a welfare State, what would happen?
Oh, they would be totally at a loss.
They would just panic and they wouldn't do anything because they can't speak the language.
They're not even adjusted to the food, the climate, nothing.
It'd be like plopping someone on the middle of Mars.
They just couldn't cope with it.
Yeah, and that's not a migrant issue.
I mean, if you were to drop me with no money in the middle of China, I'd have a pretty tough time making a go of it as well.
Exactly.
So it's just a sort of basic reality.
So given that China doesn't have This giant welfare state, then it would be cruel to bring a lot of migrants there because, you know, what would happen?
Well, the men would probably end up as criminals or sell themselves into bondage and the women would probably have to sell themselves into some sort of sexual access pseudo-free market or something.
It would be brutal and horrible.
And I don't know if their, you know, the argument is that to resettle People in the Middle East is, you know, 13 times cheaper than resettling them in America.
And I don't know if they contribute anything to that effort.
But I think they simply view this as not their problem, not their solution.
And they're not going to restructure their entire society to give welfare to over a billion people so that some migrants can get food and lodging.
So...
And I think that's why...
And they don't feel any particular guilt.
They don't have the same pathological altruism that seems to be so paralyzing Western society at the moment.
And, you know, maybe they're just...
IQ is too high to put this on.
I don't know.
Maybe.
Maybe that's the case.
They just don't see it as a problem for themselves.
Let somebody else take care of it.
Yeah.
I mean, it's the same question with Russia.
It's not taking...
A lot as well.
Of course, Russia have had their own problems with Muslims, and nobody's asking that strongly.
The European Union is recently threatening to charge member states 250,000 euros for each migrant they turn away.
That is a shocking amount of money.
And this is how desperate the situation has become.
Right.
And this is how totalitarian, in my view, this is very totalitarian.
You've got to take these people or we're going to charge you for this amount of money.
It seems extremely totalitarian to me.
And that's where some of the Euro stuff gets to.
When people have a moral absolute and they're blocked...
By reality, it's not uncommon for them to escalate very quickly.
Right.
Right.
Well, I appreciate you bringing up the question.
If anybody has, you know, if people are listening to this through their VPNs in China, wants to call in and let us know more about this, you can look at the way in which the Japanese people view Islam as quite interesting, and you can do a search for that and look up all of that stuff as well.
And I really appreciate you calling in.
I appreciate everyone for calling in to make this a wonderful conversation with the world as a whole for all time.
It's a great snapshot of just what people are thinking at this moment in time.
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