April 22, 2016 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
02:18:55
3267 An Honest Conversation with a Male Stripper - Call In Show - April 19th, 2016
Question 1: [1:37] - "For ten years now I've been living comfortably getting by working as a male stripper. I know I am talented and capable of more, however I only do the bare minimum, which is all I need to pay my bills and get laid. I am burning inside to do more, my ideas are endless, but I always quit and revert back to this lifestyle every time I try something new and ambitious. Why am I so damn lazy?”Question 2: [1:15:40] - “I’m confused by the positions of some of those in my University around the European Migrant Crisis, Immigration and the United States Presidential Election. In what alternate universe could Bernie Sanders be considered a moderate or centrist? In what way could Clinton's policies by described as center-right?”Freedomain Radio is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by signing up for a monthly subscription or making a one time donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate
Hey, you ever wonder what goes on in the mind of a stripper?
A male stripper, to be precise.
If your answer is not much, well, have I got a caller for you.
This is a caller who had a lot to say about his history as a male stripper and had questions.
Has it kind of made me lazy and unmotivated because everything kind of gets handed to me on a silver platter?
It really is a fascinating look into the world and sexual possibilities of male stripping.
And we did talk quite a bit about motivation and how to get the next phase of your life going when you're stuck in a kind of Grandhog Day whirlpool of sexual comfort zone.
So a very, very interesting call and I certainly appreciate that caller.
And then we had a caller.
She's been on the show before.
She's in university and she's having some challenges with her professors when it comes to what she considers some of the heavily status indoctrination that goes on in higher education.
And we broke down some of their arguments and talked about some of the ways to handle that because that is quite a challenge.
It was a challenge for me and I think it's even worse Now, the 22-plus years since I was last in grad school.
So, some great calls.
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Alright, well up for today is Usman.
He wrote in and said, I am burning inside to do more.
My ideas are endless, but I always quit and revert back to this lifestyle every time I try something new and ambitious.
Why am I so damn lazy?
That's from Uzman.
Welcome to the show.
Oh, hey, Uzman.
How you doing?
Hey, Steph.
How you doing?
Well, thanks.
I feel that this should be a webcam session.
And of course, I every morning wake up and say, why don't I just make my living as a male stripper?
I mean, women like famous guys, and they like muffins.
That should be said.
So I understand that temptation very, very deeply.
If you're looking for your big break, I can help you out.
Thank you.
How did you get into the field?
Actually, I was in my early 20s.
I actually grew up an obese kid.
For me, getting healthy and getting fit was a big, big deal for me.
Then I was in my early 20s.
One of my first nightlife jobs was being a bouncer at a strip club where girls were dancing.
I was this big guy.
I was working with all these women.
I got very comfortable with the nightlife.
A friend of mine was a bartender or a waiter at a male review.
And at the time, I didn't really know anything about male reviews.
He kept asking me to come join, and I never joined him for the male review.
Me and him did go out for a part...
Wait, sorry.
He wanted you to come and join him looking at the male dancers?
Well, he was a waiter for the show.
So he was a waiter, and there was male dancers.
And for these male reviews, it's an all-woman audience.
It's a bachelor party thing.
Boy, being a waiter at a male strip joint must be like being the bassist in a hot band.
You really are picking up the leftovers, but all right, keep going.
I mean, he was coming home with good money, and it's really...
You're a celebrity for those 90 minutes that show is happening.
I mean, it's just the weirdest world that you enter.
It's a bizarro world.
So he's there.
He's having a good time.
He's making money.
He keeps trying to convince me to do it.
I don't want to do it.
And then we go out one night, and we go to a club in New York City where they have an amateur striptease contest at a very big nightclub.
Now I'm in my early 20s.
I'm still a little bit of a wallflower coming out of this whole...
Fat boy mentality.
And so he convinces me to do the contest and I do it.
And so men and women, they both get up on stage and they both strip and audience applause decides the winner.
So me and a girl actually ended up tying, and I went home with just under $500 cash.
And that wasn't the best part.
The best part was as soon as I walked off the stage, all those women that I was afraid to kind of approach were all running up to me, asking me for my phone number, trying to buy me drinks.
And so I was like, this is pretty cool.
Because they got a real sense of your rippling virtues.
Exactly.
Okay.
This is what New York women have to offer.
Man meat 101!
They're like piranhas on a wounded cow.
It's so much worse than most.
Stepping into that world, you really realize how superficial it really is.
Women are really just as bad as men.
They just hide it very well.
That's kind of where it opened me up to the whole thing.
I thought to myself, I can do this.
I joined the company that my friend was working for.
This was probably around 2005.
No, no, hang on, hang on.
So, for you, when you went up on stage, I assume that, I mean, you're obviously a good looking and ripped guy.
So, when you went up on stage, was there an immediate positive reaction?
Because you went from kind of shy to, you know, grinding it out, you know, like Bridget Bardot riding an endangered snake.
And...
How did it feel for you that very first time?
Was there a high?
Was there a rush?
I mean, your sexual market value went through the roof, and certainly from an R-selected standpoint, that's the biggest drug you can get.
Is that what happened for you?
That's probably exactly what happened for me.
Okay.
I've always been the kind of person to...
I mean, I'm a talkative person.
I'm a people person.
I love being around people and I enjoy being able to make other people happy and being in their company.
So you put me in front of an audience for whatever it is.
And at the time, I had no idea I wanted to be in front of an audience.
So I'm there in that club and I do that and I relished in being in that spotlight.
I enjoyed it very much.
Oh, yeah.
No, I mean, if you're in front of an audience and you love being in front of an audience, let's say you do an hour speech a day, the problem is never the hour speech.
It's the other 23 hours where you're not getting the audience contact high.
That is troublesome and difficult and feels kind of empty.
Yeah, definitely.
I can totally agree with that.
Eventually it evolved into, and that's just the beginning part, but eventually it evolved into becoming a master of ceremonies for the biggest show here in New York, traveling, going to different countries and different cities to perform.
So it all kind of went all over the place actually.
So it went from that one little thing into a 10 year on and off career.
Right.
So you went to other countries, which is probably why people like Donald Trump are talking about bad trade deals in abs and buns of steel.
You know, the abs and buns of steel trade deficiency that the U.S. has is considerable.
And you, my friend, are contributing to it.
I think I'm helping, actually.
I think we're getting a lot more hot chicks coming into this country than anything else.
I don't know if they have Joe Sixpack.
Actually, you know what?
That's wrong.
There's a lot of foreign guys that show up for these shows, and they don't speak any English, but they just...
point at their abs and women throw money and it's that simple.
Right, right, right.
So you basically quit whatever you were doing before and you went into this professionally, Right.
Now, it's not that easy in terms of, I mean, you really have to maintain, you know, obviously low body fat.
I assume you're dehydrated from time to time, like I knew an underwear model once who was talking about how he couldn't drink water for two days before a shoot, which was, you know, made him so thirsty.
He looked at water like a woman.
And so it's, you know, there's gym time.
I mean, it's not just the time doing the show, right?
There's other stuff as well associated with it.
Yeah, there's definitely an investment.
I mean, most of the guys that I know, they go into the gym every single day.
They're all on top of their diets.
There's really no downtime.
You kind of have to be like the genetically gifted to get away with a couple of workouts a week and still maintain your six pack abs.
And me coming from an obese childhood, I've got to work twice as hard to make sure I stay in shape.
And so what kind of gym time are we talking about here?
In the beginning for a lot of years it was up to two to three hours a day.
Yeah.
Oh, right.
And I mean, I love the gym in a lot of ways, but damn, it can get boring after a while.
Oh, look, I'm still moving things.
Oh, move some more metal in a dark place.
So yeah, it can get kind of dull.
I mean, I used to do a lot of swimming when I was younger, and then eventually I just got tired of listening to nothing but gurgling in boredom, and I kind of had to stop.
This is sort of when Walkmans came along and you could do something more interesting.
Because, you know, if you're really working out, you can't really chat that much.
Although, I did have a gym buddy once.
My favorite thing to do was to make him burst out of laughter while he was bench pressing more than he could handle, which was, you know, not always fun, but fun.
That's a dick move.
That is a dick move.
That is a dick move.
And I only did it when he was using machines, never when he could injure himself.
Ah, okay.
But, yeah, that was a bit of a dick move.
I mean, it's not as bad as tickling him with a boa on the inner thigh, but, you know, it was close.
No, that's approved.
That's common.
Right.
So is it straight guys that you're working with?
I assume that there's some gay guys working in there as well.
The majority are, I want to say, virtually everybody says that they're straight.
But then at the same time, you're going to have a handful of guys that do the gay scene as well.
And the gay scene pays a lot more.
Way, way more.
I mean, a guy can make easily over a grand to $2,000 a night working in a gay club.
And a male review is a 90-minute show, and if you're a killer, you might make like 500 bucks.
So, I mean, that $500 in 90 minutes is great.
But, I mean, that's not a bad deal, I would say, by any stretch.
You could show up for one show a week, and you're good for the rest of the week, provided you're not trying to be a millionaire.
And then there's private parties that you can do.
And for every private party you get booked for, it's $100 just for the booking, and that's not including tips.
So you can easily walk out of there with $200 or $300 if the girls were tipping well, and they usually do.
So it's not a bad deal.
A couple of parties a week, maybe one or two shows, and it's all you need.
So, Usman, tell me a little bit.
I mean, I got to imagine that.
I mean, obviously, I don't think gay to straight is a choice.
But if it were, I would imagine even if you started out straight, looking at these grabby, dimly lit, hysterical, screaming Beatles mad women with their mouths all wide just waiting for some abd guy to drop a bishop down their throat.
Does that give you an odd view of female sexuality after a while?
Yeah, definitely.
Tell me about that.
They were on such a pedestal before I started this.
They were really...
I was your perfect man, giant white knight type of guy.
I really worshipped them.
Not to the extreme sense, but I really thought highly of them.
I thought that there were these precious flowers, these nice girls that really needed to be treated well, and they didn't appreciate vulgarity or aggression or any of this stuff.
I learned very quickly that they respect the man That pretty much takes control.
They also respect the physical dominance.
Just having muscles makes such a big difference.
I never realized that from before working out until after.
It's really something as simple as you approach a girl and you're fit.
Especially in that context, like I said, it's completely the other way around.
You go to a nightclub, you go to a bar, you go anywhere in the world and you're either Buying the girl drinks, trying to sweet talk her, and basically paying her for her time, in that place is the complete opposite.
If a girl's not going to show me a $20 bill within the first 10 seconds I talk to her, I'm moving on.
I don't have the time.
Yeah, I mean certainly if you're there in a supplicating position, then you are indicating that you have lower sexual market value than the woman.
And women in general do not respond to men who have lower sexual market value than they do because of hypergamy and the desire to trade up.
Yeah, definitely.
And what's also crazy about being in that...
In that work environment, you'll find women that's Saturday night and some chick's getting married Sunday.
And it's Saturday night and she's getting married Sunday and she's asking you if you can go to her hotel room.
I'm sorry, say that again?
She wants basically to bang her Saturday night before her wedding.
She wants to have sex with the stripper the night before her wedding?
Yep.
Boy, talk about the alpha fucks and beta bucks, right?
I mean, because genetically, historically, prior to birth control, that impulse would have meant that she would have had sex with an alpha the night before she gets married.
Then she would have her honeymoon.
But of course, if the sperm from the alpha was already heading its way eggward, then the beta or the marriage partner would end up raising the alpha's kid and thinking it was his own, right?
It's just insane.
And that's perfectly true.
But the thing is, married women, women that are in relationships, they completely, during the show, they have no boyfriend.
This is a funny thing.
So let's say you go to a group of girls.
You're partying with them.
You're drinking with them.
You're dancing with them.
You're making money off of them.
And they're exchanging.
They're giving you their phone numbers.
And they want to see you.
And all this other stuff happens.
Maybe the party moves on to an after party.
Now you leave the strip show and now you're at another nightclub and you're at this after party.
Then, you know, you'll find out that so-and-so girl's married, the other girl's got a boyfriend, the other girl's got a fiancé, this one lives with her boyfriend.
You learn that all these women are pretty much spoken for.
But they're all just jumping all over your shit during the show and wanting to party with you afterward and giving you their phone numbers.
It's kind of madness.
I'm not going to say this is going to be the case.
At least this is maybe me being an optimist.
I don't think this is the case for all women across the board.
No, listen, I mean, it's a self-selecting group of women who are at a strip show.
And all 15 of them end up buying tickets to a show because they have to go, right?
It's just a thing that these girls are going to do.
And so you're getting some normal women there.
You're not getting, like, just these, you know, cock-thirsty sluts.
You're just, you know, you're not getting them.
They turn into that.
But I think it's the environment that turns them into that.
I think it's a New York City function.
I think it's a big city function.
So in other words, you have this big city where I feel like women outnumber men.
At least quality men are really not anywhere to be found.
They're making a lot of money.
The guys that are quality men, they have their pick of the litter.
I think over time, what ended up happening was the longer that I was in this business and the more I look around, the more I realize that being an alpha, if you were getting, let's say, I don't know, spitball numbers, if you were banging, let's say, 20 chicks a year, you're banging double now.
I think if you're a beta, if you were banging 20 chicks a year, you know, 10 years ago, you're probably banging five now.
I think women are just flooding to the alphas and completely disregarding the betas altogether.
Well, there's certainly truth in that, right?
I mean, there's the 80-20 rule that 20% of the guys get 80% of the women.
And in studies where Men have been asked to rate women's looks.
They're about fair.
They rate about half the women above average and about half the women below average.
But women, when they rate men's looks, they rate 80% of the men as below average.
And that's, of course, because women are hypergamous.
They want the most attractive or the highest status male.
And certainly, as the guy up there, you know, drenched in oil and gyrating and all of that, you'd be the highest status male around in that particular environment.
And...
So yeah, this is why marriage has collapsed for the lower and middle classes in America and marriage is remaining relatively stable for the upper classes.
Women all want to get higher status men.
Of course, now that women are getting more educated and the majority of students in school are women and so on, and women with college degrees almost never want to date a guy without a college degree, certainly not settle down.
So, oh, no question that the alphas are cornering The market at the moment.
And this is another reason why it's tough to change societies.
The alphas have all the power and the alphas are getting all the women.
So why would they want to change anything?
Of course, the betas are getting shut out and that ends up with a catastrophic demographic winter with no reproduction and all that.
But yeah, it's brutal for the betas these days.
And you just said it, right?
Why would the alphas want to change anything?
And there we are with my problem here.
I have no real incentive to change anything.
All right, sorry.
I want to get to that in a second.
I just want to pause for a second on something that you said.
But let me ask you a little bit earlier.
You were talking about the difficulties of working out and so on.
Do you know if a lot of strippers are using human growth hormone or steroids?
I mean, are they using something, things to help out?
That's common.
I pride myself on being a lifetime natural, which makes it ten times harder.
I cycle my dancing seasons on and off because I can't be this ripped guy all year round.
Following Thanksgiving up until about, I want to say, springtime, I just won't dance at all.
I'll focus a little bit more on others.
This is when I get my creative burst, when I want to do other things.
The season dies down as well.
It's not as busy.
You're not getting as many parties.
The shows don't attract as many women.
That's when I'll let my body fat percentage come higher, focus a little bit more on strength and power, and then shred down for the summer and try to hold on to that low body fat percentage as long as I can during the summer months, maybe into the fall, and let my body relax again.
Your body can take a beating of being that lean very long.
You have to be genetically gifted, again, to be able to maintain low body fat percentage and still have high testosterone levels and lower cortisol levels.
Yeah, and it's tough on the joints and the tendons and all that.
It's not just muscles.
Well, that's if you're going to be dehydrated.
So if you're going to maintain a lower body fat percentage and you're not dehydrated, you're taking in the right amount of minerals and everything else like that and you're also drinking enough water.
Because the thing is this, subcutaneous water retention depends on how much sodium you're taking in and how much carbohydrate you have.
So if you're going to reduce carbohydrates and you're going to reduce sodium, let's say pre-show, you'll drop like five pounds of water weight before show.
And then you could even have a little bit of carbohydrate to fill your muscles up a little bit extra before the show begins.
So they're a trick that you can play to look leaner and tighter than usual, but for the most part, most guys don't really get into that kind of detail.
I've dabbled in a little bit of natural bodybuilding, and I'm a fitness trainer as well, so I can get into this kind of thing.
But for most guys, they're either genetically gifted, or they're just doing the basics in the gym, or they're just taking gear.
It's very common if it's a good investment.
Just spending $500 a month on your steroid cycle, you're like this giant, buffed-up alpha god at the show, and no one can compare it.
Right, right.
Now, I just want to read something very briefly because you pointed out something that was interesting.
So, I'll put forward the radical thesis that if men listen to what women say they want, both men and women end up less happy.
This is very, very important.
Hello, Europe migrant crisis.
I'm still talking to you.
When men listen to what women say they want, both men and women end up less happy.
So, We'll put a link to this below.
A study called Egalitarianism, Housework, and Sexual Frequency in Marriage appeared in the American Sociological Review last year.
And the assumption that people have is that when marriages become more equal, the sex in those marriages will improve, right?
Because, you know, women say, well, I just want you to do the dishes, and I want you to do the laundry, and I want you to do all of this kind of stuff.
And then if men listen...
You would assume that women would be happier and the marriage life would improve and the sex life would improve, but it's not true.
When men do certain kinds of chores around the house, couples had less sex.
If men did all of what the researchers characterized as feminine chores, like folding laundry, cooking, or vacuuming, the kinds of things many women say they want their husbands to do, then the couples had sex 1.5 fewer times per month than those with husbands who did what were considered masculine chores, like taking out the trash or fixing the car.
And it wasn't just the frequency of sex that went down when marriages became more, quote, equal.
It was the quality of sex for the wives.
So the more traditionally husbands and wives divided chores, in other words, the more that men did manly things and women did feminine things, the greater the wife's reported sexual satisfaction.
Right, right.
Now that's something you can sort of sit for an entire afternoon and ponder because it has such sort of deep ramifications on so many different things.
Sorry, go ahead.
No, I could boil that down into a sentence.
I tell young guys...
That, in basically one or two sentences, it's a woman will not respect or fuck her bitch.
If you're going to be her bitch, she will not fuck you.
I'm sure that that was the original title on this New York Times article.
They may have decided not to go with it at the end.
But the other thing too, right?
So what's called sexual dimorphism, which is the behavior that animals have that is distinct We're good to go.
But then, of course, if you have two lesbians together, you get the phenomenon known as lesbian bed death, which is that lesbians have sex, you know, once or twice a month.
Gay guys, I think that's every day.
Married heterosexual a couple of times a week, kind of thing.
Much, much higher rates of domestic violence as well, like lesbian couples.
I think they're the highest of all the pairings.
Yeah, very significant domestic violence.
But yeah, this is sort of important, that women will say that they want men to be like women, and then they are unhappy when men are like women.
There's two facts that are kind of going on in the West at the moment.
It really depends on what kind of woman you're talking about.
It's just, you know, it's just a, well, do you want to be a woman?
I want you to be a woman.
And if the man says no, then she'll sleep with him.
And if he says yes, then she'll use him to borrow money so that she can go to a strip club and sleep with you.
Yeah, friend zone.
So there are two things that happen to particularly white Western women.
Number one is that they're miserable.
Miserable, miserable, miserable people.
Feminism was supposed to bring equality, which was supposed to bring satisfaction and happiness.
Number one, they're miserable.
Number two...
Shockingly, the life expectancy for white Western women is declining at the moment.
It's declining at the moment.
So not only are they miserable, but they're stressed and sick and dying.
So, of course, all we have to do is wait for women to admit that they were probably wrong about certain aspects of feminism and agree to change.
That will never happen.
That will never happen.
I was going to say, no way you really believe that.
Not going to happen.
Not going to happen.
Men are just going to need to accept the facts and be men again.
And I know it's tough.
You've been raised by a single mom.
What does it mean to be a man?
Well, that's a challenge.
But anyway, I want to get back to your...
I just sort of wanted to point that stuff out, but I do want to get back to your questions.
No, that's more than fair.
But I mean, just to add to that very quickly, it's...
It's an interesting thing now, this whole – I don't know if you know about the MGTOW phenomenon.
That's kind of like a response to feminism.
This is the men going their own way kind of thing.
All of a sudden, I feel like women wanted to be – I don't want to use the word selfish, but I feel like they wanted to be able to do everything on their own.
And to divide themselves away from men, almost say to themselves, we don't want men involved in our business and doing it completely on their own, while men always, I think, thought of doing things on their own but partnering up with women.
And now men are pretty much with this MGTOW thing saying, well, we not only don't want to be involved with women, we don't want to be involved with society on the whole and government and whatever, and you name it, and they're just completely isolated.
In this bubble of I feel like selfishness.
I remember hearing a video you did not too long ago where you talked about, I think it was atheism, And how you were disappointed in that there's no real investment to the future, and there's a lot of selfishness with atheism.
And being an atheist, you're going to try to impose your atheist religion upon others through the state of whatever kind of redistribution rules you want to make up with your atheist faith.
So the thing is, there's no skin in the game because there's no kids.
You're not really investing.
You're not thinking about family.
And I think with MGTOW and with feminism, You're just taking a dump all over family with both of those.
So it's just, I don't know what direction we're going to go, but I think Japan is an example of what can happen when men pretty much give up and become obsessed with their appearance and with kind of just being in this bubble where they're satisfying all their urges and needs with either paying women for their services or just going to electronics and machinery.
I think Japan is leading the world.
Yeah, I mean, there was always this science fiction story that the robots that human beings create to do their work for them, the utility robots, they somehow rebel.
But here you have the robots just going inert, right?
The utility robots, which is the men in society, yeah, just tired of being lassoed by family courts and used to serve women.
And, you know, I don't know...
The MGTOW guys, to me, don't fall into the same category as the leftists.
If you're a leftist and you don't have kids, then you are preying upon the young because you're relying on other people to absorb the cost of creating the taxpayers that you need to feed on in your old age.
But the MGTOW guys, they're not consuming usually a lot of taxes.
Some of them go ghost or whatever and off the grid.
The MGTOW guys are not consuming a lot of taxes.
And I don't view that in the same way.
They're just basically saying, I can do a calculation of risk and reward when it comes to involvement in With females.
And, you know, this hysteria and all these false rape allegations, you know, they fall like a javelin deep into the heart of masculinity.
And, you know, we could spend 20 minutes just listing off all of the rape accusations recently that have destroyed men's lives, that have been proven to be utterly false, and for whom the women have not been sanctioned or punished at all.
And there's no feminists usually crying out for the punishment of women for false rape accusations.
Whereas, of course, if women cared about rape, really cared about rape, they'd be the first to line up to call for the punishment of women who falsely accuse men of rape because that means that it becomes tougher to convict the next time and so on.
Yeah, you're 100%.
So I would just say that I don't view the MGTOW phenomenon as particularly selfish.
It is a rational response in some ways to the risks of—and, you know, if I hadn't met my wife, I would definitely be along those lines, without a doubt.
I dabbled with the idea of MGTOW. I personally know MGTOWs, and I agree with you.
They're not leftist at all.
A lot of MGTOWs are actually very libertarian, conservative.
Yeah.
They're going galt, right?
They're taking their sperm and staying home.
And that's completely understandable from a certain perspective of risk and reward.
And if you don't meet a great woman, and I've listened to some of the MGTOW channels, and the MGTOW channels that I've listened to, the men have had disastrous experiences with women, dangerous experiences with women, and they know a lot of guys who have smoking craters where their testicles used to be because the wrong woman dragged them through the usual...
A status nightmare of family court and divorce and alimony and child support and God knows what.
And their lives are destroyed.
So it's not, you know, if the woman has nothing to offer except sex, and that sex is like Russian roulette every time you have it, and given the prevalence of pornography and so on, you know, the man can spend a few minutes rubbing one out, or he can go into the truly dangerous leg exploding landmine of modern female male sexual relationships so from a cost-benefit standpoint it makes total sense and of course people do go on strike when they are in unprofitable situations
that's why nothing ever got done in soviet factories because you know as the old joke used to say uh you know they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work it all just becomes nobody does anything in the absence of positive incentives that's why one of the reasons why socialism and communism don't work and so um given that um sexuality has been socialized by the state and the consequences of sexuality have been socialized by
Basically, male-female relationships are just another Soviet factory and men are just going through the motions or, you know, if you don't suffer any sanctions for not showing up to a bullshit job, why would you bother?
You're right.
All right.
So, let's get on to what you want to do.
Now, I won't ask in particular what you want to do because that I don't think is...
Is the key.
The question is, why are you so lazy?
Yeah.
That's what your question is.
What's your time frame?
When do you think you will be unable to continue in this job?
I know guys in their 40s that are still doing this.
So I've got at least 10 years.
If I wanted to keep going in this direction.
So I've got time.
But the thing is...
Can you save enough to retire after that?
Not by being a dancer, no.
You have to get involved in the back end.
If you're going to get in the business...
Sorry, you might want to explain to my listeners what getting involved in the back end means.
The back end of the business, the company.
Come on, Steph.
What I mean is like running the actual shows, selling the tickets, promoting the shows, booking the parties.
That's the back end.
The front end would be obviously being the actual entertainer performer that's being booked for the show.
The business side, right?
Rather than the product, you're involved in the business side.
Exactly.
You sell tickets, you're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a month.
You don't sell tickets, you're making a couple grand a month.
Now, do you have interest in the business side of stripping?
I have.
I've actually partnered up with the owner of the largest company in New York.
Actually, the largest company in New York was not the largest company back in 2008.
In 2008, they lost their partner.
So there were two companies working together.
The main company lost its partner, and I became the main master of ceremonies and performer for the show all throughout 2008.
By the end of 2008, I partnered up with the owner of that company and started a new show in Atlantic City.
And I ran that show all throughout Atlantic City.
Atlantic City all throughout 2009 and I had intentions to go to Boston and open up a second venue.
So I mean I come from this sort of like wanting to be independent having kind of an entrepreneurial spirit kind of thing and you know me and the owner had a falling out he was trying to screw me on some some money issues and so I just said you know what we're gonna do this now I don't want to be ten cities deep and you're trying to screw me over on money so let's let's let's walk so I walked away from him and ever since then I've been kind of bouncing around just performing for shows and And kind of one ideal hit me and I'm like, let me try this and I'll try it for a little while.
And I guess once the rubber meets the road, I get kind of turned off and I just go back to the performing business.
I usually bounce around.
For the most part, it's going to be in the dancing business.
I never really wanted to invest too much time in the personal training or the fitness business.
But that's another thing that I'm very good at and it pays the bills when I'm not dancing.
It's a bit of a one-way street insofar as it's a little hard, if I understand this right, it's a little hard to think about sort of getting mainstream suit and tie accounting type work.
To some degree, of course, your past is going to be very visible and available to everyone.
Is there sort of a concern for you that if you move out of I mean, I'm going to call you the sex trade because you're not obviously a sex worker, but if you move out of this sort of titillation or stripping business, that your past might sort of clang along behind you and interfere with opportunities outside this field?
No, actually, for two reasons.
One, a male review, I know there's a stigma there, but I think with the Magic Mike movie coming out and, you know, just now that there's a little bit more light on what that kind of work actually is, I'm not sure if that same stigma is there anymore.
I think it's one of those things where you can laugh it off.
There's one thing I think.
Female dancers are usually damaged.
Male dancers are just guys trying to take advantage of an opportunity.
I don't think male dancers are for the most part.
Some of the most normal, down-to-earth, professional guys you'll ever meet.
Not in the sense that you'll ever meet them, but if you were to go to the show and talk to these guys, you've got artists, you've got musicians.
I've got a younger brother who...
You know, he dabbled in actually overseeing the operations of the show, and he talked about it on an interview for medical school and got in.
And that was one of the key points that they appreciated.
So it's one of those things where you don't know if it'll hurt you or not, but I'm not worried about that.
The other point that I want to make is I don't like working for people long term, so I don't care about...
I'm not the kind of guy that regrets what I've ever done.
If I were to talk to somebody or try to apply for a job or try to work at a place where they were to hold that against me, regardless of all the other positives that I could bring to the table, I'd rather not work there.
Right, right.
I mean, Sylvester Stallone, Cameron Diaz, a bunch of Matt LeBlanc, and, you know, the guy from Friends.
There were, you know, a whole bunch of people who got started in...
Channing Tatum, Bruce Willis, all these, yeah.
David Duchovny, believe it or not.
I mean, I know he seems to be a bit of a sex addict as a whole, but there are a lot of actors, of course, who started out.
I mean, even Schwarzenegger.
I started out doing some, well, I guess some titillating and salacious stuff.
Even Helen Mirren, who is like one of the queens of British acting, started out doing some pretty salacious stuff.
And so, yeah, I don't think that it's a...
As far as I understand it, there's a lady named Sasha Gray.
Even Jackie Chan did some stuff that was pretty raunchy.
If I'm being ostracized for it, I'll just use a lefty, you know...
What narrative and just say I'm being, you know, there you go.
Marilyn Monroe, of course, started off doing topless shots and ended up dying on her own vomit or something.
But anyway, so yeah, and I think that there is a perception, you know, rightly or wrongly, there is a perception that if you are a female stripper, then you're damaged goods.
But if you're a male stripper, you're a good time party guy who made some cool decisions and had a lot of fun, right?
Pretty much.
Right.
Right.
Okay.
So, the question then is, first of all, help me understand, I mean, you work out hard to keep your physique, but what is it that you say is lazy about yourself?
I don't think working out is the hard part.
The thing is, once you find something that you like to do and you're good at, you're going to do it.
And even if you weren't being paid to do it, you'd still do it.
So, you know, I'll find the time.
I'll always find the time to go to the gym.
I'd rather not sleep and be able to find that hour or two.
I mean, I'm much smarter and better with my time.
Now I can go into the gym in that one hour and I can do the same thing that I used to do back in three hours.
But I had to put in those many, many hours of investment years before to learn how To become efficient to the point where I can just go in and out and do what I do now.
Well, plus it's something that because you've achieved a certain level of fitness, maintenance is a lot easier than getting there, right?
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Like maintaining a weight loss like I lost like 30 pounds a couple of years ago.
Maintaining that is pretty easy.
Losing it wasn't necessarily particularly easy, but I'm one of the 2% or 3% of people who loses weight and actually keeps it off.
Yeah.
So, okay.
So, what is it that your day...
Give me a sort of typical weekday when you have a show.
What's your schedule?
When you're up?
What do you do?
And what's your day left?
So, right now, I'm not doing any shows at the moment.
But I left my company back in November.
So, I'll give you the schedule up until last November and...
Then, when I started my own brand of women's entertainment, actually, it was a totally different schedule for that.
So, back when I was doing the shows with a major company here in New York, honestly, From, I want to say, Sunday through Thursday.
Well, Sunday through Wednesday, you've got nothing to do.
You're free.
You wake up in the morning, you go to the gym, you hang out with your friends.
Okay, well, hang on.
Just be more specific, if you don't mind.
What time are you getting up, typically, on a weekday?
I mean, you work late, right?
Yeah, yeah.
So, for me, honestly, it would be anywhere between, if I'm feeling energetic and I've got things to do, and God knows what that even means, things to do, but I'll get out of bed anywhere between 8 a.m.
and 10 a.m., Sometimes we'll sleep in until noon, but I generally don't like being in bed longer than noon.
If I'm in bed longer than noon, that probably means I went to bed 6 in the morning and I was drunk.
Yeah, and I mean it's kind of tough to get your day going when you're kind of rolling down the hill of the afternoon, right?
Yeah, pretty much.
Well, the thing is the day is so long because you're up at noon, but you're not going to go to bed until 3 or 4 in the morning anyway.
So you still have the same number of hours.
It's just the time frame is different, that's all.
Right.
So, for instance, if Mike wanted to be a stripper, he's already on the schedule.
Okay.
I was waiting for the crack about my schedule.
I mean, that's pretty much the only thing.
He's ready to roll.
It's a smooth transition for Mike.
It's just envy for me because I'm a parent.
Okay, so let's say you get up at 8 or 10 and let's say you have a show.
When do you have to show up for show prep?
So usually it's 6 p.m.
You get to the show by 6 p.m.
There's check-ins and like check-in fees and everything else like that.
You got to pay to work because you can make good money for there.
I mean all dancers pay the club money before they work.
And you make your money off tips, is that right?
Yeah, pretty much.
So you have a negative minimum wage.
If you're booked to perform, you're already getting paid in advance.
The minimum booking is going to be a 10-minute performance on stage for $100.
And then whatever you make on the floor is yours.
Whatever you make on stage and tips is yours.
So that's pretty much the way it goes.
So you just got to be prepared for a 10-minute performance.
And if you're good at what you do, it's pretty easy.
It's not that extreme either because, I mean, most of these guys strip down to boxer briefs.
It's like you're dressed the same as you would be dressed on the beach.
So it's really not this banana hammock G-string kind of like madness that was there back in the 90s, you know?
They can't tell you whether you're Jewish or not just by having a glance.
Right, okay.
I'm not sure what Jewish guys are packing or not, but I don't know why you would know that.
I'm just a circumcision joke.
What do you do in 10 o'clock till 6 p.m.?
It's open day.
You slowly move along.
You have your breakfast.
Maybe watch a couple of YouTube videos.
You hit the gym.
Meet up with some of your friends.
You get another meal in.
You go home.
You take a shower.
Make sure you're shaved, groomed, all that good stuff.
Get dressed, drive down into the city, and there you go.
Are you pretty much like napalm manscaping down there?
I mean, I assume that people don't want to see a whole lot of Studley Von Freebush action in their faces, right?
No, I mean, it's just you get used to the standard.
Standard is basically you're generally always going to be tan.
You're generally going to always be lean.
You're almost always shaven top to bottom.
You're full body.
The grooming is such a pain in the ass.
Literally, right?
No, I don't go there.
I guess it depends on what kind of scene you're working.
Maybe you're going to have to.
It's definitely not fun.
It depends on how hairy you are.
I know guys that are doing it every week and I know guys that do it every month or every three months.
It depends on how quickly your body hair grows back.
That's something you got to be aware of, obviously.
You don't want to show up with a hairy chest and Right.
And how many shows a week do you do when you're in season?
When we're in season, four shows a week.
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
And some Saturdays are doubles.
So we get two shows on Saturdays.
And this is in New York.
I know in Vegas, Chippendales does.
Oof, man.
I got a couple of friends that work down there in Vegas.
And I think, from what I remember, I think they have two shows on Friday, two shows on Saturday, one on Sunday, and I think one every other day during the week except maybe Monday.
You can't do two shows on Sunday.
We've got to get to church, right?
The best place to go after church, right?
Right.
Okay, so when it comes to feeling lazy, did you feel that your sort of days are a semi-distracted blur of nothing achieving much because you're kind of waiting for the night and then it sort of happens again?
Is that how it's happening for you?
That's kind of a good way to put it, yeah.
Okay, okay.
All right.
Do you think that you'll be...
I mean, because, you know, performing is energy.
It takes energy.
Like, for me, if I've got a great show, this is, you know, obviously it's a conversation, but it's a little bit of a performance as well.
But, you know, at the end of the show, I mean, you know, it takes a while to come down and be able to get to sleep.
So...
Getting ready for the energy necessary for a performance and then coming down off that, because there's a lot of energy in the crowd.
Definitely.
There's a lot of energy that comes out of the crowd, particularly if it's sexual energy.
That is very heady, obviously, right?
It's part of it.
It's like an addiction to go and get that high, as well as the money, of course.
So getting ready for a show is not inconsequential.
It's not just like, well, I've got a day, and then it's just like 10 minutes, you know?
It's like, no, it's a lot more than that in terms of getting ready.
And, of course, you want to put on a great show because you're tip dependent.
It really is.
Especially when you ask for a starter morning, so I can appreciate what you do when you're speaking into a microphone all day long.
When you're up there for two hours, screaming into a mic, and I'm competing with that, for example.
Four or five hundred women in the nightclub and you've got maybe 30 men running around in the crowd like just banging them for tips and you're on stage with a microphone trying to control the audience and get them to follow the show on stage while there's men on the floor competing for their attention.
So there's this madhouse to just me screaming into a microphone for two hours and then it's all over and all you want to do is sleep.
Yeah.
So, sorry, and I forgot to mention that as well, which is the master of ceremonies thing is a big, big job.
It's a big job.
It's a big job.
You've got so many things to process, as you're talking about.
You're managing, you know, this wild rampaging hormone-fueled female sexual cattle rush.
And so it's a lot of stuff to manage and to control, and you're kind of responsible for the quality of the whole evening.
And if you mess up, some of the other dancers might not get as many tips.
So, you know, you're out there representing, so to speak, right?
So it's a big job.
So my question is, do you think that you'd be able to focus on developing other opportunities for yourself, Usman, if...
You continue to work at nights and doing the Master of Ceremony stuff.
Do you think you'll have the energy and focus to build sustainable other things if you're still doing this amount of work at night?
Honestly, looking back at the last 10 years, I think not.
If I have to be honest, I think my week is mostly spent just working out and looking forward to the weekends.
And then, like I said, making enough money on the weekends to Again, just push me forward.
You make enough money.
The thing is this.
Most guys are wasting their money on women.
I show up for work and I got all the free women I want and they're giving me money.
I'm making money and I'm not spending it on chicks.
Step me through this if you can.
How many women are you sleeping with a year?
Every year is a little bit different.
I don't know.
This year, let's just count this year, right?
January, February, March.
This year, I say four.
Four?
Yeah.
That's not bad, right?
That's pretty good.
Well, the thing is, I wasn't stripping.
I stopped dancing.
Okay, but give me peak poon season.
What are we talking here?
All right, so I'll tell you.
I'm more conservative than most guys, all right?
So for me, honestly, I want to say you're going to meet at least, Jesus, I don't know, one or two women a week.
If you're looking for it, you're definitely going to get at least one or two a week.
I know guys that literally make it their mission to bang three or four girls a night, and they get it done.
So we're looking at guys that get- Ah, youth!
Okay, cool.
Well, yeah, and these are the guys that are like 20, 21, 22, 23 years old.
The 23 to 25-year-old guys, they're literally like- I mean, they'll take a girl into the bathroom and get a blowjob, and then take another girl into the corner and maybe slip a dick inside of her.
They're just doing all this crazy shit all night long.
And getting paid for it.
And the girls are not like, they're not a train wreck.
These are like young, pretty girls all in their early 20s.
I mean, all bachelorette age range.
So it's just, man, it's just, yeah, if you're looking for it, if you're working for it, you'll absolutely get it.
I don't want to exaggerate and make it sound like it's an extreme thing.
I mean, there's dry spells for everyone.
But I mean, for us, it's just not very long.
A dry spell is a weekend where you didn't meet a girl.
Well, for you, a dry spell is like the space between a raindrop.
It's not exactly Arizona time out there, right?
Okay.
I'm assuming that none of these women are named June Cleaver.
Okay, so I assume, is there a big problem with STDs in this community?
If there is, no one talks about it.
I mean, knock on wood, I've never gotten anything.
Right.
Honestly, I tell you what, I think it's overrated.
And it's probably not a smart thing or a healthy thing to say for listeners, but I remember when I first got into the business, I was very conservative with sleeping with women.
I didn't really want to do it very much because I was so hyper-obsessed with getting an STD. I'm a health fanatic, right?
And then I know these guys, and they're literally just fucking their asses off.
And they're not even wearing condoms.
And they're all fine.
And there was a friend of mine who gave me the example of, look, it's the guy that jogs every day that you hear about dying from a heart attack.
Now, while that's not statistically true, it's anecdotally true.
So it's one of those things that just, you know, these guys, they're just going nuts all over these girls.
And nothing's happening to them.
And meanwhile, you'll have a friend who doesn't work in this business, who just maybe met a girl at a bar or maybe met a girl in school and he sleeps with her and he gets an STD. I don't know.
I feel like the overly playing it safe stuff is a little bit overrated.
I think that given your choice of profession and your habits, I would be shocked if you didn't have that philosophy.
Okay, so you may be a couple of girls a week.
Now, how does that work?
So you're dancing and the girl...
How does she meet you, right?
I mean, so the after party.
So we say, all the strippers are going to Club X or whatever, K-O-X, right?
They're all going to Club X. Right.
And then the girls sort of, right?
They come after.
And then you're sort of dancing and chatting with these girls.
And then what happens?
Well, it's pretty simple.
One thing leads to the next, and you either leave and they'll either have a hotel room or maybe your car outside or maybe your friend's car outside or maybe the girl's limousine outside.
Or maybe you'll find a bathroom in the club.
You'll make it work.
Whatever you want to do, you'll make it work.
So that's in the moment, in the night, right?
Now, is she buying you drinks at this point?
Well, at the after party, we usually have bottles at a table, and so we invite the girls to hang out at our table.
But the girls are buying drinks, and they have no gripes with buying us drinks.
Many times, I've girls grabbed us by the hand, dragged us to the bar, and said, what are you having?
Just buy us whatever we want.
So I generally don't—I mean, we never buy them drinks, if that's what you mean.
That never happens.
Yeah.
I'm channeling the collective shock and outrage of the vast majority of the male audience of this show.
It really is pretty bad shit.
After a while, you just know what it is.
Now I've gotten to the point where I don't even have to meet a girl at the club.
I can meet her at a gym or a supermarket and go out with her and make her buy me a drink.
You just know how to position yourself.
You just know you're more valuable and she will shell out for you.
So that's an interesting dynamic in and of itself.
And so if you're not meeting girls that night in the club, you're maybe exchanging – maybe you give a really sweet girl a lap dance and she's not the kind of girl that wants to sleep with you on the first night.
She'll give you her phone number.
You'll meet her maybe two nights later.
You'll go out for drinks.
One thing leads to the next.
You're back at her place and boom.
So that's the more common way of it going down.
It either happens the night before – Yeah, so it's pretty rapid.
Did these women ever want to have more of a relationship with you, or was it just basically, you know, scratch the edge?
With me personally, in my experience, I found that they have And it's not always the case for all the guys.
So the thing is, for most of these women, it's just a good time, right?
I mean, you're a good-looking guy, you treat him right in the bedroom, and they're pretty much happy, and that's all they ever wanted.
But when they find out there's more depth to the person, that's usually when their feelings come out.
They're like, oh my god, I found me an alpha male.
Not only is he an alpha, but he's smart, and he can articulate himself, or he has ambitions, or he has goals, or he wants to do other things, and blah, blah, blah.
And all of a sudden, they create this Maybe cartoonish character in their mind of who you are and maybe the kind of person that they want to be with.
So then it happens.
Generally for me, my personal experience has been almost every woman I've ever met at the show, they meet me as a performer and when they meet me outside of the show, they almost feel like they can't connect the individual from the show to the individual they're having coffee or drink with later.
I don't carry that stripper persona everywhere I go.
No, of course not.
Have any of these flourished into more long-term relationships?
No, I've never been with a girl longer than about six months, and I've never been in love.
You've never been in love?
No.
Have you just seen too much?
I think it can happen.
Maybe I have faith it can happen.
I don't know.
The thing is, I tell you, it's the craziest thing.
You just really feel bored and frustrated with the girl you're with, and you just can't stop looking.
The thing is this, especially when you're dancing, if you're dancing every night you go to work, it's difficult as hell to just do your job and go home.
So if the woman is with you and you're a male dancer, she has to really appreciate the fact that you're fighting your instinct for as long as you're there at work.
And being faithful and loyal to a girl is very difficult.
This is why I don't have long-term relationships.
I'm an honest guy.
I won't cheat on a girl.
I just won't stay with her very long.
Because sooner or later, like the drunk in the distillery, you're going to give in, right?
Pretty much.
I mean, if you've got vagina cannon-fired at you all day, sometimes, every now and then, it's like murder ball.
You ain't going to be able to dodge, right?
You're surrounded by so many options.
So you're dating a brunette, and now you see blondes.
You're like, huh, that's nice.
You're dating a blonde now.
And now you're like, hmm, a Colombian.
You know what?
I'll go for that.
And then you go for a Colombian.
You're like, hmm, check it out.
Look, we've got an Arab girl there.
He just never stops.
And that is the problem.
You just keep going.
Right.
Yeah.
Do you think that you ever do want to settle down, get married, have kids, that kind of stuff?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Definitely.
Maybe not marriage in the legal sense because I'm not a fan of...
But committed in some way, right?
Yeah.
I mean, I want to have a family.
I definitely want to have children and live with a woman and make it work and I definitely want to be able to do that.
Right, right.
So that's going to be a whole different kettle of fish, right?
That's going to be a whole different things you need to find because right now you're looking for, like your dick is leading you to women, right?
But when you want to settle down, it's the happiness of your future children is what needs to lead you to the woman, right?
Right.
And these two things, kind of opposite.
Right.
You're going to have to develop a whole other set of skills in terms of evaluating women and judging their characters because right now you're just looking to discharge, right?
So you're not looking for anything long-term and you're looking for specifically physical characteristics, but you need a sort of golden heart of maternal wisdom and good friendliness and health and happiness and positivity and a willingness to work hard because raising kids is hard work.
And so...
You're going to have a whole different set of standards that you're going to need to develop, right?
Standards I've got.
It's just the matter is when I meet a girl and I say to myself, well, you know what?
She's going to be good for a couple of weeks.
That's exactly what I'm looking for.
But if I'm out there actually looking for a woman that's a long-term investment, there's a whole other set of criteria there.
And to be honest, generally when I meet a woman that fits that criteria, I usually pull back.
I don't go for them.
You avoid women of sort of spiritual quality, so to speak?
I don't want to get tied up with a girl that I could probably really get emotionally attached to while still doing this line of work.
I don't want to have this dilemma of, oh, I really love and appreciate this woman and want to have a life with her, but I've got a show to do on Saturday night and I've got to deal with the same shit that I deal with all the time.
I'm much better at it now because after 10 years, it doesn't have the same appeal that it did before.
But the appeal is still there.
As long as I'm a man, I think the appeal will always be there.
It diminishes over time.
You know, as Socrates said in his old age, being free of sexual desire is like having a demon ripped out of your heart and pushed through a blender.
You're free!
So right now...
Want to hear something funny?
Sorry, go ahead.
Just a funny thing.
So me and the guys, we're asking questions.
We do stupid things all the time.
So this is a silly would you or would you not kind of question.
And there's a difference between the younger guys and the older guys.
I bring it up because of what you just mentioned.
So I asked the younger guys, all the guys that are in their early 20s and maybe into their early 30s, would you rather have a micropenis for the rest of your life and have an additional 20 years on your life Or would you rather maintain your penis size and lose 10 years on your life?
Everyone in their early 20s wanted to lose 10 years on their life.
They did not want to have a micropenis.
Everyone in their 30s could not figure out exactly what to do.
It was either or.
Everyone 40 and older, they all wanted a micropenis.
Don't Japanese guys live longer?
Anyway, that's up for another time.
Yeah, no.
So, obviously, sexual hunger diminishes to some degree over time, which is, you know, when you're young, you think it's a disaster, but it's really not.
Look, I can concentrate.
So, as far as, you know, being lazy or doing this or that, I mean, if you're still involved in the business, in the stripping business...
Do you feel that that might be an impediment to a very high quality, maternally inclined, great woman to get married to a guy involved in the stripping business?
That sounds like a leading question.
I genuinely am not sure.
So I'm just curious what you think.
Two ways to approach that.
One, if you're a dancer, yeah, the woman will absolutely hesitate, to say the least, to be with the guy long term.
But if you're, again, if you're on the back end, if you're in the business of selling tickets and organizing events and marketing and advertising a show, you're never taking off your shirt in front of the audience, obviously.
So I would imagine a woman being all for that.
So if you're on the back end running the business, Well, you know, I'm not saying that I know, but I could imagine that it's not like there's no problem.
I mean, there's a difference between being a lawyer and running a strip club in terms of how a woman might perceive you.
No, you're 100% right.
But I will say this, the owner of the company I used to work for, I mean, he's raking in millions a year and his wife is, I mean, this guy makes maybe six figures on a Saturday night.
So I don't think any woman would sneeze at that.
I mean, lawyers don't make the money he makes.
So, you know, it really depends on what kind of success you're experiencing.
No, no, no, sorry.
But you're saying that the woman, the quality woman is only interested in the money.
Ah, okay.
All right.
So, well, I mean, hey, look, she's a good mom to their children.
I don't know what their business is behind closed doors.
But what it looks like from the outside looking in, it looks like a healthy, normal relationship.
Okay.
Well, again, you've seen it and I haven't, so I'm obviously going to take your word for it.
No reason to not.
So, when it comes to sort of your life goals...
Certainly, I would say that you're kind of in a groundhog day of noise and talking and sex and body oil, right?
I mean, it's kind of a groundhog day in that it's kind of tough to progress.
You can't really get better at what you're doing after 10 years if what you're doing is mostly physical.
You're right.
And, you know, so I think that you're at the peak of what you can do.
And, you know, as you age, it's, you know, going to decline in terms of what you can do.
I mean, I can sort of keep getting better at what I do because it's sort of open-ended and intellectual.
But what you're doing is sort of crowd management plus physicality.
You're kind of at the peak, which is kind of like this.
I mean, is there anything that you would like to improve in what it is that you're doing?
Well, the reason why I wanted to sell my own brand was because I feel like it's run very poorly.
So the business, after being in the business for so long...
Oh, no, sorry.
I just mean like as a dancer and as a master of ceremonies, do you feel like you could do anything?
Like is there anything where you say, wow, I'm really bad at this.
I should work to improve it.
Everyone can always be a better dancer.
You can always be better in the sense of selecting your music and performing the song better or coming up with new tricks to wow the crowd.
I mean, it's kind of like any other performance art.
You can kind of go anywhere with it.
But I mean, is it going to really bring you more money?
I don't know.
I think...
It's incremental, right?
And, you know, obviously, if you chose more Enya as your musical backdrop...
No, I'm just kidding.
But anyway, so you're kind of...
There's not anywhere for you to go, really, in terms of substantial improvements after you've been doing this for 10 years and you're very successful.
So that's why it's kind of like a Groundhog Day.
Insofar as, you know, if you have a job that's manual labor, and to some degree your job has manual labor elements to it, You can only get so good, right?
And then you can't, right?
And so that aspect of things is one of the reasons why I think that you're kind of getting frustrated, is that you're obviously a very intelligent person, ambitious person, and verbally a cute person.
So you want to do more, and yet your job is like kind of the same thing over and over.
And so there's two aspects.
Number one is figure out what you want to do professionally, and I mean, You have some good ideas that way and it might be worth taking a couple of business courses or mentoring with someone in the business or paying them for their knowledge, time, and wisdom and so on because that's the one thing that I wish I'd done in business was to get more mentors, to have more mentors.
It's tough, you know, in software business in the 90s was a bit of a wild west.
But anyway, I think getting that kind of mentoring is important.
But the other thing, of course, is your personal life.
And the degree to which the life that you've led may have...
Not helped you develop the skills that make for a successful marriage partnership or long-term parenting partnership.
That may be the case.
Because, you know, you've spent your life doing a bunch of stuff and that stuff is not what contributes to maintaining a healthy relationship in the long-term relationship.
With a woman who is your equal where it's not just about physicality, right?
I mean, everything we do is stuff we're not doing, right?
I'm less good at yoga because I spend my time doing this show.
And people who spend their time on yoga are less good at philosophy because they're doing yoga.
Everything we do is everything else we're not doing.
And so you've developed particular skills and abilities in this field.
And you've had the relationship that you've had, you know, where it's a night or a couple of weeks or, as you said, 1.6 months.
But you haven't developed the kind of skills that will serve you well in maintaining a permanent adult relationship.
And I think that's important.
I mean, if you want to go to therapy to learn about that or you want to read books to learn about that, that is a skill set that you don't have.
Now, you're aware of the business stuff, right?
Right.
So you know that you've spent your time in the front rather than the back end of the business and so you know you're going to need to learn stuff.
I have enough time in the back end.
Here's the thing.
I think aside from the people that are actually in the business right now that are actually doing the things that I think that I can do, I honestly don't believe there's another person that's more qualified than myself to do this because I've done front end and back end.
I've worked Full circle.
I've organized my own shows.
I've pretty much done everything that a person can do in this business except step on the gas and push it to its ultimate limit.
So in other words, I've dabbled in running the actual business, but I've never committed to making it my full-time thing.
Well, and you have particular skills in that the business is run by the customers, and there are few people, I imagine, in the business with more customer experience than you, not only as a dancer but as a master of ceremonies.
You know what works, and you know what the crowd responds to.
That's been your job for years.
So you have that front-end experience of what actually drives the business, which is customer satisfaction.
So you're uniquely primed to do that, and you can do that, I would assume, with relatively little transition.
But when it comes to long-term marriage, you have a skill set deficiency, right?
Just because you pursued short-term relationships for a long time, so you don't have the same skill set for long-term relationships.
And that's where I would focus, if I were you, that's where I would focus on building up those skill sets so that I didn't try, you know, if I find the woman of my dreams and I'm ready to transition to non-dancing and so on, then you don't want to then start to learn how to get really good at long-term negotiations. then you don't want to then start to learn how with an equal based on shared values for the purpose of having a family and so on.
I don't think you want to learn that then because you're smart enough to know when you're going to need to know something in the future and I would start learning it now if you're interested in doing that transition in the next year or two.
Do you think there's a relationship between my, you said, lacking the skill set in commitments with women and that also being maybe lacking the skill with commitments in other endeavors?
Maybe, like I said, maybe an entrepreneurial project that I may set out for myself and then not follow through because...
Well, you have a conveyor belt of goodies heading towards you, right?
Yeah.
I mean, how good a hunter are you going to be if you wake up to an over-full buffet every day?
I mean, you're mean and lean in the abs, but as far as ambition goes, it's been blunted by, you know, this endless rain of poontang and money and little effort and so on, right?
So for sure, I mean, and that's been very enjoyable, I would assume.
We all, you know, you kind of have the life that a lot of men would envy and dream of.
And, you know, it's great that you're sharing the upsides and it's great that you're sharing the downsides, but a lot of men have to work very hard for 1% of what gets handed to you every day.
And so you've had that enjoyment, but again, you know, the muscle of willpower and commitment and follow-through, which most men develop through endless series of brutal rejections, right?
I mean, well, who's rejected you the first time you got on stage?
You made $500.
There was a woman who came on who was a stripper who made like $450 or something.
You even made $50 more than a woman.
So the first time, you didn't sit there and say, well, I really want to be a stripper.
And, you know, like an actor who wants to make it big, you spend, you know, five years knocking on doors and doing auditions before you finally get your break or whatever.
I mean, stuff was – now, you worked hard, as you say.
You were an obese kid.
You worked hard and all that.
But as an adult, you've had this conveyor belt of goodies come towards you, so it's not too surprising to me that you'd lack a certain musculature when it came to pursuing goals in a really hyper-consistent way.
That's more than fair.
I agree with that.
And it's not a criticism.
In no way, shape, or form is that a criticism.
It's just sort of my observation.
Exactly.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
It's a very fair observation.
And I can admit to that.
Whenever I see a task that requires commitment, I see it as daunting.
And almost not worthy of my time.
I'm sorry, what was not worthy of your time?
If I set out a long-term task for myself.
You know what?
Not worthy of my time is a long description.
I want to say not worth the cost.
In other words, the benefit that I might see for an assumed project that might take a year, two years, three years, whether it be a relationship with a woman or maybe a business endeavor that I may have in my mind, I look at it and I might get started with it.
And once I start realizing the costs of committing to something like that, I withdraw.
I'm like, you know what?
I don't put myself through the required – I guess you could say the friction required to get to where I want to get to.
Once the rubber meets the road, I'm just kind of like, you know what?
It's easier to – and I just find myself falling back into the vice versa.
Sure.
I mean, you don't build a house if you inherit a mansion, right?
I mean, you build a house because it's raining and, you know, you get a bare house, you get bare hands, you got to saw down logs, right?
So, I mean, that's natural.
How many people these days decide to go and clear out a couple of acres of wilderness with their bare hands in order to, you know, and you go and some developer did it already for you and so on.
So, that I completely understand that because you have 90% pleasure in the here and now Which then goes down to like 20% pleasure in the here and now or maybe even negative for possibly 100% pleasure in a couple of years.
It's hard to make a rational case for that, right?
No, you're right.
It sounds like, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like a first step to getting better would be to just pull myself away from the dancing business.
Not permanently, but just long enough or away from the spotlight just to be able to exercise those muscles more and work towards, in other words, make it part of the goal where I have a long-term goal that I'm working on.
And as I build and get towards that goal, additional to that goal will be my re-entry into the business, sort of as a treat to myself for getting where I got or where I wanted to get to.
That will be something that I can think of off the top of my head.
Does that make any sense or am I just spewing?
Yeah, no, I think that does make sense.
How are you with saving?
Not very good.
Actually, I'm good when I want to be and I'm terrible when I'm not paying attention.
Well, that's the discipline thing too, right?
- Yeah. - Ooh, something shiny, I must buy it.
I mean, so I can resist everything except temptation as Oscar Wilde said.
So saving is a key part, right?
Because if you're doing what you're doing and burning through the money that you're making, then you're really not left with much. - Right. - When the smoke clears from your, you know, 10, 15 or whatever it is, your career.
So certainly the discipline to save is really important because whatever you wanna do next, is the more savings you have, the better.
You know, saving is choice.
That's all it fundamentally is.
Saving is free will.
You know, if you've got no savings, you basically have very few choices in life.
If you have savings, then you have choices.
I mean, just think of if you're some guy going for a job.
If you have no savings and you've got bills due, you basically – you're in no position to negotiate and you have to just kind of take whatever you can get.
But if you're sitting on, I don't know, half a million dollars or whatever, then you can be a lot more picky and choosy.
I've always been able to keep myself above water though.
I've never really dipped too low into debt or anything like that.
No, but you should.
By the early 30s, you've been working for 10 years at a fairly lucrative profession.
You should have some savings.
I would make that as a particular goal, straight up.
If you accumulate...
$10 billion save, screw you money.
You can run for president and you don't care what people say about you.
So, yeah, saving is the real key thing.
And maybe this is just my Protestant upbringing or whatever, but debt has always given me hives.
And I steadfastly guard the choices that I have by making sure that I spend as little as humanly possible.
You know, like I'm, oh no, there's a light on upstairs.
You know, it's crazy.
I mean, a little too far sometimes.
I will vouch for this.
Oh yeah.
Mike, how much fun is it to listen to me complain about somebody who left a phone charging in overnight?
I get on stuff for his gotta turn the light off thing.
I'm literally thinking of getting motion sensors.
And installing them where the light switches are so when people leave the room it turns off on its own because that way I won't worry that someone somewhere...
Like there are people...
You should drive through neighborhoods.
There are people who leave lights on over their front door all night long.
I can't even tell you what that does to me.
I mean, it's like the planet is dying so that you can light a step that no one's using for 12 hours.
Anyway.
So yeah, save.
Saving because, you know, if you go into business...
The more money you have saved up, the more you can invest, the more ownership you can get.
I mean, everything you save now is going to pay off tenfold over time.
I agree.
This is something that I've known, but it's like the ugly truth.
It's like the fat person that knows they've got to put the donut down.
It's like, ah, shit.
Yeah, I've got to save money.
You know.
You're a smart guy.
You know that you've got to be saving.
And now, because you've deferred saving for a long time, you've got to save extra, right?
Yeah.
So getting you to talk about saving might be like getting, I don't know, Bernie Sanders to talk about the national debt.
I went to his position page today to prepare for this show.
Lots of positions.
No mention of the national debt.
The only mention of the word debt.
We want to eliminate college debt for students.
It's like, oh no.
Can you guys ever talk about it?
No!
You would lose your mind.
Everybody that I know in this business, especially, oh my god, anyone under 20 years old, they're so brainwashed by Bernie.
It's really bad.
My Facebook feed is covered in just Bernie worship.
Sure.
Free stuff appeals to young people who are not paying for it.
I get that.
My daughter likes free candy.
Of course.
Well, I mean, you know, I've shared your work many times on Facebook and I've even quoted from like maybe sometimes like more powerful things that you said and used it and listening to your shows has also given me a train of like, I want to say like a way of thinking or a way of logistically looking at things like logic and I'm able to actually have discussions with people even on Facebook and kind of like corner them with this Bernie Sanders BS and it's still just,
they just, you know, they put their hands up and they're like, they agree, but You know, Ernie's still, you know, Jesus reincarnated so they're gonna have to go for it.
Yeah, I get that.
It's natural.
And of course, they're in government schools, so they don't understand that, you know, here's how Bernie's going to pay for things.
Really?
I was an econ major, actually, and I left during my third year because I couldn't stand paying for learning bullshit anymore.
I'm serious.
When I first left school, I was doing physical education, and I was like, I don't want to work in public schools.
They suck.
And so I focused on dancing.
And then I said, you know what?
I need a backup plan.
I'll go back to school.
I go back for economics.
And I'm just about to wrap up college.
And I'm like, this is bullshit.
I can't sit through this.
Now at the time before going back for econ, I really got into, you know, I love the subject, and I thought to myself, this is great.
I can go to this college, and it's a reputable school here in New York, and finance is an easy transition.
I go there, and I'm doing economics, and I'm just like, oh my god, this is terrible.
I find myself getting into these battles with professors and other students.
I'm like the old guy in class, basically, in my late 20s, and I'm surrounded by a bunch of these kids.
It was just bad.
So I gave up on that.
And so I still hear from my parents to this day.
They're like, you should have finished college.
And I'm thinking, I did myself a favor.
You're not going to get it.
It's not what it used to be.
It really isn't.
No, it gets exhausting.
I mean, that was certainly for me, after a number of years in college, I was tired.
I was tired of fighting these people and paying them to tell me things that I vehemently disagree with.
It's just not a good thing.
Especially when I could be a capitalist every Saturday night.
Right!
You actually do the free market.
Exactly.
So I just have one last question, which is the next time I talk in New York, will you open for me?
Absolutely.
Anytime.
But you keep your clothes on.
Just, you know, you'll be better at, you know, if you've done that much better than anyone else.
Steph, you broke my heart.
Yeah.
All right.
So, listen, I really appreciate the call.
Let us know how it's going.
And, you know, if there's anything that we can do to help as you go forward, you know, if you meet the girl of your dreams and you're having trouble with negotiations, I hope you'll call in again.
It was a real, real pleasure to chat with you.
And I thank you.
You know, I always love it when people shatter my stereotypes, you know, and the econ studying Rothbard quoting male stripper is, you know, is a male dancer.
It's a glorious detonation of all prior stereotypes.
And I really appreciate that, Usman.
It was a great pleasure to chat.
I appreciate it, Stefan.
Thanks for everything you do.
I've been listening to your stuff for a very long time.
And if I can get my shit together, you'll be the first guy who gets a check.
Oh, I appreciate that.
That's why I'm staying safe.
So yeah, thanks, Emil.
And we'll talk again.
Take care.
Bye.
Take care.
Alright, up next is Jenna.
Jenna wrote into the show and says, I am in the throes of a United States presidential election discussion with academics, and I'm confused by some of the positions being presented.
Jenna, would you like to present a couple of those positions?
Okay, well, they are plentiful.
We're having a disagreement that there is, in fact, a refugee crisis in Europe.
Well, why don't we take these one at a time?
So, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that his position is that there's not really much of a refugee crisis in Europe.
Well, yes.
And that, in fact, the crisis is violence toward refugees.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And not, you know, refugees inflicting violence on Germans.
Right.
Or, you know, the fact that it's, what, 12 or 1300% increase in rape.
In Sweden, since the refugees came along, he would assume that that's because, what, Swedish women are assaulting refugees with their vaginas?
Is that his general position?
You know, I don't think so.
He basically has flooded me with information.
It's...
I think that he is just trying to overwhelm me so that I'll go away.
But he links me to all these websites which I consider to be propaganda.
And I don't really know how to respond to that because, you know, he's an academic.
So sourcing is probably more his thing than mine.
Does that make sense?
What is the information that he's provided to you that...
That gives you pause, right?
Maybe there's information that I'm not aware of with regards to the refugee crisis that would change my particular perspective.
Is there anything he links that you find interesting or compelling?
Well, what I find most interesting is that when I clicked on this link, it took me to a site that acknowledges absolutely nothing that we all know is going on.
We hear about it on this show and many others.
It's like opposite land.
Bryce?
See, okay, this is what happened.
One of the things that I had explained was that So he had told me to check statistics on refugees and crime.
Refugees are, in most instances, one of the least likely groups to commit crimes.
And so I responded, Cologne, Frankfurt, Sweden, Vienna?
You know, Brussels?
The proof's sort of in the pudding.
And he says, this is selective.
No one seems particularly concerned by mass shootings in the US when they're performed by white Christians, even though they are numerically more significant.
Blaming refugees for problems when they are statistically an unproblematic group is a way of distracting people from real problems.
Oh, okay.
So, he's saying that there are shootings in America committed by white people, and that is sort of, what, underreported?
It seems like they're very much reported on, right?
He states that they are numerically more significant.
Well, sure, because there's more white people than immigrants.
I mean, of course, right?
I mean, if you just take the bit, like people say, well, whites are more on welfare than blacks.
It's like, well, yeah, but blacks are 12 or 13% of the US population.
So, of course, there's going to be more whites on welfare than blacks, but it's proportional to the population that matters.
Does he at all consider the possibility or the fact, really, that immigrant crime is underreported in the European Union?
No, in fact, he's linked me to a page that states that of 745,000 refugees admitted post-9-11, only two were charged with terrorist-related crimes, anyway.
Well, yeah, of course.
I mean, the terrorist-related crimes are relatively – I mean, they're very dramatic, obviously, but they're relatively small.
But so when he says that the refugees are not problematic, does he just mean that they commit less violent crime than native population?
Because, of course, one of the challenges is when you compare native populations with immigrant populations, it really depends what you're looking at.
So, for instance, let's just make up some hypothetical country, Libertopia, right?
So, in Libertopia...
There are a bunch of people who come from North Africa.
And they want to come to Libertopia and they want to get a better life and so on.
So most likely they're going to be more intelligent than the country that they're coming from, on average, right?
Because they're the ones who've got the get up and go to get up and go, right?
They're energetic, they're...
And they can't stand their country, right?
Enough that they want to leave the country, right?
Like one of the reasons why Europe is in such a mess is that basically since 1492, the most intelligent, ambitious and case-elected people have left...
You know, the rotting halls of ancestral Europe and come to the New World.
And this is why the New World has guns and the Old World doesn't, because there's been a case-selected exodus in our selected remainder who now are going to reap the fruit of everything that they did to the case-selected people to drive them out.
So you've got a bunch of smart people from North Africa coming to Libertopia, and sure, they're going to commit fewer crimes because they're smart, and smart people Outside the Fed, smart people commit fewer, what are generally commonly called crimes.
You know, the smart people commit fewer crimes.
So immigrants are a self-selecting group of more intelligent people than the domestic population.
Now, anybody who talks about crime statistics without talking about race...
Is falsifying, and probably not even knowingly falsifying things entirely and completely.
Because people say, oh, you know, there's terrible gun violence in America.
Terrible gun violence, like Americans, just as a whole, are just crazy shooters.
And this is not the case at all.
There's lots of black gun violence, not a lot of elderly Asian ladies, you know, popping caps into people's asses or anything like that.
So there are some statistics that say that if New York City was all white, shootings would diminish like 95 or 96%.
And so if you say, well, there's these immigrants and they commit less crimes than the domestic population, the question is, are you normalizing by IQ for the immigrants?
Well, if you're not, then...
You're taking a self-selecting group of the smartest people in a particular area and saying, well, they commit fewer crimes.
Well, of course, smart people of all ethnicities and groups create, like, do fewer crimes.
If you normalize 150 in IQ, then you get very few people committing crimes.
Why?
Because they're worth more on the free market and they can consider more the consequences of their actions, so crime is less valuable and working peacefully is more valuable.
So if you're comparing just immigrants to just domestic populations without separating out things by race, that is ridiculous, right?
And so the challenge is comparing white Germans to the second or third generation Of Muslims, that's what you want to do.
Because, of course, the smartest Muslims, like the immigrants to Germany from 20 or 30 years ago, were the smartest Muslims in general, I would assume.
And I think it's good reason to believe it.
And what happens is there is the regression to the mean, right?
So the guys who come over, the tall Chinese guys who come over recruited by Basketball teams, their kids aren't as tall, because there's a regression to the mean, right?
So whenever you have an outlier, there's a regression to the mean.
And so you want to compare third generation, or I guess multi-generational, or been here for a thousand years, white Germans with not the first generation of immigrants, because that's a self-selecting group of high intelligent people, but lower generation.
Intelligent people who are most likely, when you come from a lower IQ group, it takes a couple of generations for the regression to mean to kick in, which is why second and third generation Muslims tend to be more radicalized in Europe.
Of course, right?
And so, if people aren't separating out this stuff and actually comparing apples to apples, then, yeah, I mean, you can make cases for a whole bunch of stuff if you ignore...
The factors that are actually driving the information.
So you can go to CIS.org slash immigrant crime.
CIS.org slash immigrant crime.
And we've had Stephen Camerata, who's the researcher, and he also works with Jessica Vaughan.
He's been on the show, and people can have a look at that.
We can link that below.
And it's...
It's not great.
You know, it's really, really not great.
And of course, the idea that immigrants, and of course, people often differentiate, not differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants have already committed a crime and that they've entered the country illegally, right?
So the people who are claiming to be refugees, who aren't refugees, right?
And a significant proportion of the people coming in from the Middle East to Europe are not refugees.
They're not.
Countries are not at war.
So they're not refugees, and if they do not land and stay in the country that they first touch soil on, to be a refugee, you can't—a refugee is not a buffet.
You're not supposed to be able to just pick and choose your countries.
So if you—in Germany, given that Germany is only open—sorry, I got that wrong before—only open to the sea by the north, and they're not sailing all the way around past England up the channel to the north of Germany— Given that Germany...
It's not very easy to get to Germany from the Middle East by boat.
And so the people who claim to be...
They claim to be escaping a war zone.
Well, if they're not escaping a war zone, then they already have committed an illegal action.
And if they have moved on from the country they first landed into another country, they've also committed an illegal action.
And therefore, they're already criminals...
By definition, if they fulfilled either of those two conditions.
So, again, people can come up with all of the manipulative stats that they want, but it really just comes down to one thing.
But I just want to get your feedback on that stuff so far.
Basically, I think that the word statistically is a problem because the sort of People who maybe were immigrants 30 years ago who were coming over for a better life and wanted to be productive members of society cannot really be compared with people who are just rushing in for free stuff now, if that makes sense.
And also that statistically...
There are no statistics yet.
We're watching it unfold before our eyes.
We're watching our civilization take a dive.
It's in real time.
We don't have statistics yet.
What are we going to wait for?
We're going to wait for some statistics to be gathered and go, oh, well, we're fucked.
I mean...
And we don't in a sense, right?
What's their old joke?
Islam is an acronym for invade sovereign lands and multiply.
But we already have a look at the countries that these people are coming from.
And that's the culture they're used to, and that's the situation that they want.
And for people who say, well, it's not a problem, they don't understand, and this is what's so frustrating about people who talk about immigration, because they view the government as this smorg dragon sitting on an infinite pile of treasure.
They don't understand the opportunity cost of immigration.
The opportunity cost of immigration is that for every immigrant who comes in, give or take, rough estimate, for every immigrant who comes in, you get one less native-born person.
It's a zero-sum game.
You get an immigrant coming in, that means taxes go up, that means housing prices go up, that means educational quality goes down, that means opportunities go down because fewer jobs are created.
And so when you get an immigrant come in, that means one less native-born German is going to be in the country, right?
So for every Middle Eastern immigrant who comes in, that's one less white German kid who's going to be born.
So it's a displacement.
It's not like Germany plus a whole bunch of immigrants.
It's Germany plus a whole bunch of immigrants minus a whole bunch of native-born Germans.
It is a displacement.
Right.
And that's what people don't understand, that it's not Germany, you know, with a hat.
It's Germany with a hat and no head.
Sorry, come on.
Well...
Just over the course of these classes and these discussions, some things have come up, and one of them was Fukuyama's piece, The End of History, in which he states that everyone is heading toward classical liberalism and that the really only threats to that are nationalism and theocracy.
And With regard to theocracy, you know, it's just small pockets, isolated populations, etc.
And so I asked him in that class, you know, has he accounted for the rising birth rates in some civilizations as compared with the declining birth rates in the West?
Because demographically, It wouldn't take that long for us to be outnumbered, right?
And what did he say?
His stock answer whenever I speak is, well, maybe.
It's hard to know.
Really, math is that tough for him?
I... I thought it was a solid point.
It is.
And of course, political science is like, here's some basic math.
Well, that's tough to know.
It's like, then it's not a science, is it?
If it can't even handle basic math and extrapolation and population growth based upon differing birth rates, it's not even close to voodoo, let alone science.
Yes.
But we see this mentality everywhere.
And all it is, is a desperate desire for there to be no conflict.
That's all there is.
And of course, when there is two groups whose interests are opposed, and in terms of Sharia law versus historical German law, these are opposed.
These are opposing systems.
If Sharia law wins, native Germans lose.
If Sharia law wins, native Europeans lose.
Except those native Europeans who want Sharia law, right?
Everyone else loses.
So there's a conflict, and cowards look at a conflict, and they never, ever look at the facts.
What they do is they say, who is the least reasonable person?
Who is the most aggressive person?
Who is the most dangerous person in this conflict?
Okay, I'm going to side with them.
And I'm going to screw and shaft the most reasonable person.
Why?
Because they're cowards and they align themselves with whoever's in power, whoever's more dangerous to them, right?
Because if he starts talking about problems with Islamic incursions into Europe, well, he's going to get called a racist.
He's going to get called a bigot.
He's going to get called whatever, whatever, whatever, right?
Yes.
And he knows that you're not going to cause any particular professional trouble for him if he disagrees with you, right?
Right.
And that's why the West is already lost.
I mean, the West is lost.
We're trying to get to not lose again in the future.
But the West is no longer judging conflicts by any objective standards or values.
They're only judging conflicts by who's more dangerous to my immediate self-interest.
I'll side with them.
And who's the most reasonable and rational person?
Okay, I'm going to side with whoever's more dangerous and screw that person.
Socialists are more aggressive than capitalists.
Why?
Because capitalists have jobs!
Don't have the time!
Right?
So this is why you see the Bernie and Hillary supporters Not all of them, of course, right?
But the ones who are showing up, they're really aggressive.
They're punching horses, they're spitting in people's faces, they're blocking traffic, they're blocking ambulances, they're causing a whole bunch of trouble.
Whereas the Donald Trump supporters, they're pretty reasonable for the most part, right?
They're not out there doing all these terrible things.
And so the media is siding with I don't need any other facts to know which group is the most reasonable.
Whenever there's a conflict in society, I look for who the majority sides with, and I know immediately and absolutely that that is the least rational, most aggressive, most dangerous party who should be the most strongly resisted.
But the fact that everyone is siding with them, Right.
You sound like my husband.
Right.
I mean, Donald Trump accurately reports the problem of rape in the Hispanic community.
Are the feminists like, wow, you know, that is a real rape culture.
We've got to get behind these numbers because Donald Trump is actually bringing to light something we've been trying to talk about, which is the Hispanic community has problems with rape.
No, none of that.
None of that.
He's a racist!
Even though people tell me being Hispanic is not a race.
But anyway, which I'm sure is true.
But yeah, I mean, it's got nothing to do with any facts.
They're just, who's got the most power?
We're going to side with them.
Sorry, go ahead.
No, now that Trump has come up, I'll mention that how this whole discourse began is that he had made some statements about Trump.
His preferred U.S. candidate, I decided to email and ask for him to clarify some of his positions.
So basically, he of course thinks Trump is evil because, you know, everybody does.
And that he described Clinton as center-right and Sanders as moderate.
Moderate.
And so I said, you know, like, I don't even think Sanders is moderate adjacent.
This is not...
It's unconscionable to me that anyone would say that.
And I... Just the fact that I don't think that Trump is Hitler means that I am a racist bigot.
That is how I'm seen.
And a crazy person.
Yeah.
So...
The...
Field is not level, and I do resent that.
And that guides and it influences what you say and what you write.
And, I mean, I remember taking a course on communism, and, yeah, it was tough because you have to figure out if you want to pass, but at the same time you don't want to betray your values, but you've got to pass.
It's tough.
That's quite a tightrope.
I will say that.
I've come to really enjoy math.
I really appreciate the objectivity of math these days.
But anyway, Sanders, moderate.
I don't even know where to start.
Yeah, I mean, and what does that even mean?
I mean, there are groups in Europe, they're called far-right parties.
Why?
Because they want to enforce immigration laws.
They accept the welfare state.
They accept old age pensions.
They accept the nationalization of huge sections of the economy.
They accept socialized healthcare.
They accept the government should be in charge of just about everything, except the computer industry.
They accept massive government works.
They accept hugely high taxes, which are all left-wing positions, and they want to enforce existing laws.
Suddenly, they're on the far right!
Like, that makes no sense whatsoever.
If they were on the far right, they'd be arguing for The complete separation of state and economics.
They'd be arguing for the end of the welfare state.
They'd be arguing for privatizing healthcare.
They're not doing any of that.
So they're exactly the same as leftist parties, except they want to enforce immigration law.
Suddenly, they're all to the right of Mussolini.
I mean, that's completely mental.
Yes, and I've been listening to it for months, so I agree with you.
I mean, every Eastern European country that we discussed First bullet point that they now have a terrible, hard-right government that is doing, you know, awful things like refusing refugees.
But what are the Republican positions that have been enacted that are impeding the sort of socialistic creep in America in any way, shape, or form?
I mean, they've not overturned Obamacare.
They've not pushed back on government debt.
They've not cut spending.
They've not fired a whole bunch of government workers.
I mean, they've failed to do any of the things that the Republicans have certainly failed to enforce any immigration laws or seal the borders or anything.
And so when people start talking about the Democrats and the Republicans rather than any kind of principles, you know, they're just like sports commentators.
There's no moral content.
It's just teams versus teams, you know, different colored jerseys.
Exactly.
And that's the point I'm making.
I'm not a Republican.
I'm not a conservative.
You know, my positions go deeper than that.
But his assumption that I am, you know, I guess just a wasp that is going to think certain things automatically...
Well, you're bigoted, right?
I mean, and I understand the principles that lead people to accept that because people on the left believe that everyone is fundamentally the same.
Everyone is fundamentally the same.
Women are the same as men.
Therefore, any differences in male-female earnings must be due to sexism.
Blacks and whites are absolutely the same.
Therefore, any differences in outcomes must be the result of racism.
Rich and poor are absolutely the same.
And therefore, any widening income disparity must be the result of exploitation.
The capitalist and the worker are basically the same.
Therefore, the fact that the capitalist makes more money must be as the result of him stealing from the workers.
This fundamental idea that everyone is the same is what leads them To accept or to believe that anyone who says, I have problems with this particular group of people, well, everyone's the same.
Therefore, it can only be irrational bigotry.
That would result in you having that opinion, right?
People with freckles, pretty much the same as people without freckles.
But if you say, I have real problems with people with freckles, well, given that having freckles or not having freckles is not any kind of foundational dispositional tendency, well, must be just some, I don't know, who with freckles hurt you?
You know, like, I mean, it wouldn't make any sense.
Now, of course, the fact that everyone's the same and people are just going to adapt to their local environmental circumstances, they say they believe that, but they don't actually believe that because otherwise they'd invite a bunch of right-wingers in and convert them all to socialism by having them work side by side.
And the fact that they don't ever hire anyone from the right, including universities, means that they know for sure that people have their beliefs and they won't change.
So if they can't even convert a local person on the right to a socialist, how are they expecting to convert Muslims to Western ways of thinking over time?
Right.
And why is there not a push from socialist professors to get more inclusive?
Professors accessible to the students, why do you guys shut out perpetually and continually anybody to the right of Kay Guevara?
And why isn't there a push to get this massively underrepresented group?
Like if blacks were half the population and there were no blacks in academia...
Wouldn't that be any cause for self-reflection about maybe that the academia was hostile towards blacks and they either were not getting the jobs or not being hired?
I went to three different colleges, universities.
I went to York University.
I went to McGill.
I went to the University of Toronto.
I went to theater school, but what can you expect, right?
Didn't have one conservative professor the whole time.
I mean, they were all radical leftists.
Hiring someone who's a conservative would probably be like going to a biology department and saying, how come you're not hiring creationists?
They're just so self-obviously incorrect and wrong and retrograde and racist and repressive and sexist and homophobic.
They're just completely and totally in the wrong and therefore they would have no place in educational facilities.
You know, this virtue signaling, they absolutely, completely and totally believe that they're in the right, and they're good, and there's no debate.
Like, you know when they say, that debate is over, you're on the wrong side of history, it's current year, plus one.
You know, why would you do this?
It's 2015.
Like, why would you...
It's like going to a doctor and saying, hey, do you have a bucket of leeches to help me with my UTI? It's like, no, we don't do that anymore.
Here's some pills, right?
I mean, it's really old, regressive, ancient, stupid thinking.
So they're just waiting for us to die out, presumably.
And they're right.
That's what's happening.
I mean, that's why they're bringing in so many third-worlders into America in particular, because they're just able to displace, right?
Somebody, you know, and again, sort of the unvetted comments that make you go, hmm.
Somebody wrote, said, Brazil was a nice country in the 1950s, safe, pretty organized, actually similar to the United States.
The main cities like Sao Paulo, Rio, and the South, just poorer.
In the 1950s, pretty nice country.
It was 65% European, similar to what the US is today.
Now, Brazil is about 45% European, and it's turned into your average third world corrupt whole shit heap, right?
So going from 65% European down to 45% European has pretty much meant the end of Brazilian culture and civilization, at least as it used to functionally work in the 1950s.
And of course, that's the direction that the US is going in.
It's following down the path of Brazil.
It used to be 90% European.
Now it's down to about 65%.
In a decade or two, it's going to be down to 45%.
And then it's going to turn into the same third world shithole banana republic that Brazil is heading towards.
But everyone's the same, you see.
And therefore, anybody who has any preferences must be discriminating in a bad way.
That's the theory, right?
Right.
Right.
Now, what's it like for you to go into these situations?
In social situations, it happens all over the place.
And what's it like for you to live in this?
Because, you know, we don't hear a lot about that from people.
I'm losing friends by the day.
Yeah.
I'm fine with it.
This is like breathing for me.
If I wasn't doing this I would be dead already.
So, you know, I just need to find more appropriate friends and contacts.
But, yeah, basically people are just backing away slowly.
And, I mean, I have to be fine with that because my principles and the things that I believe are not negotiable.
They can't be.
Because that's death itself, if that makes sense.
No, it is.
No, it makes total sense.
Yeah.
School is incredibly tense.
I mean, unless you just ignore all your principles and write what you know they want you to write and things like this.
It's a battle every day.
I mean, people...
Sneer.
I mean, don't feel sorry for me.
I'm asking for it.
Because I go in knowing full well the response I'm going to get.
But it's stressful, to be honest.
It's quite stressful.
Yeah.
And, of course, when you're dealing with brainwashed people, there's no really...
Good way to play that.
I'm trying to engage people, not to change their minds, to understand where they're coming from and maybe to help them understand.
Because this perception, for example, that anyone who thinks that Donald Trump has made some good points, they just assume that you're an uneducated, drooling mouth breather with no education, no No mind.
And so I suppose I'm trying to explain to people where I'm coming from and where I think other people are coming from, which is basically you don't have to be a fool or a clown to hear what this guy is saying.
You really only have to be a person who recognizes that, you know, your neck is under a left-wing boot.
And This is the source of Trump's mass appeal.
And he's not just popular with morons.
There's a whole cross-section of society that is hearing what he's saying, and it's resounding.
The perception here, I mean, certainly in the walls of the university, is that You are batshit crazy if you think this guy has anything to say.
That's all there is to it.
And I suppose, not for Trump, Trump doesn't need me, but I'm just trying to, it seems unjust to me.
And so I'm trying to talk to people about what might factor into supporting Trump other than being a mutant.
And not just Trump.
I mean, right thinking in general.
Right.
Is it a...
I mean, I think everybody who deals with these issues, Jenna, has the same basic question, which is...
I mean, is it a fool's quest?
Is it just far too late?
Well, it may be, and ultimately, I don't even know if Donald Trump has any intention...
I don't know if this is his idea of a massive social experiment just to prove how unhappy people are, just to get people...
I think he's got better things to do with his time and wealth than perform massive social experiments that have him wear a bulletproof vest every time he gives a speech.
I think he has better things to do with his time than try to figure out that mess, but...
Anyway, so the thing about the wall came up and how oppressive walls are and historically walls are built only to oppress people and these sorts of things.
And I tried to explain that actually, you know, I think that intent comes into it, that walls are Well, also, I mean, when it comes to universities, you're not allowed into the class if you haven't paid?
They've got walls around the class and they'll call security if you come in there, particularly if you disrupt.
You cannot come in to the class unless you've paid.
So they have walls around the actual classroom which keep people out and they're saying that walls are oppressive and should not exist.
Yeah.
And there are also walls around the A pluses.
I mean, for a bunch of people who don't believe in merit, why isn't everyone getting an A? I don't Well, you can get an A often if you just parrot back.
And also, professors, can you become a professor if you don't have a PhD?
There's even a wall around his profession.
You can't go up and start a university.
You can't get accredited unless you hire the right people with the right credentials.
You need to get licenses from the government, at least defended by the government.
So he's got walls around his entire job.
That nobody can come in and compete with him.
Well, and they've walled out everyone on the right, as you mentioned before.
Yeah!
We don't want undesirables coming into academia.
What?
At least they're not going to rape people.
Well, and this is a point that I had made also about Christians, because we were talking about Christianity versus Islam, and I... Which he said is just as violent and maybe more violent and expansionist.
And so I said, well, no, I mean, it took Christianity 800 years to accomplish a third of what it took Islam to do in 130.
And, you know, that information is just meaningless.
He just says that any ideology that says it's better than any other ideology is inherently violent.
And so I thought, okay, well, let's...
Wait, wait.
So any ideology that says it's better than any other ideology is inherently violent?
Yep.
So, but isn't he saying that his ideology is better than Trump's?
Well, I suppose he is.
Wow.
That takes a special kind of education.
Right.
And that's how I sometimes feel.
I feel like these people have educated themselves into Stupidity.
It's weird.
I mean, you can't find an academic source.
You can't write unless you use a peer-reviewed academic source.
But these are all left-wing people sharing a brain as we have already established.
So you can't find a source that says anything else or that indicates anything else.
If you do, you can't use it or, you know, you'll be docked, right?
So the whole system is just set up so that you either pretend to agree or Or you push back and accept the consequences.
But you can never prove anything to these people.
Why are you there, Jenna?
I am changing careers.
And unfortunately, no one will give me an IQ test.
I need a piece of paper.
Right.
Okay.
Right.
However, being there has...
I mean, it's a blessing and a curse.
It has really opened my eyes.
I had no idea.
15 years in the workforce, I had no idea what is...
I mean, I had an idea, but no idea the extent of the brainwashing, indoctrination, and...
You know, I see it as a gift to know.
I'd rather know than not know.
Yeah, I mean, it was pretty bad when I was in college, which I guess is a little over 20 years ago now.
And I mean, I think it's what young people sort of contact me and say, Steph, you don't know what it's like to date now.
You were dating decades ago.
And, well, I've been married for, I've known my wife for 14 years, married 13, but I think it is a different world even now.
Yes, it is.
Even just the way things have progressed.
I mean, when I was 18, we were told that we had to tolerate certain types of people.
But now we have to be absolutely in love with them and everything that they do, or we're bigots.
I mean, that shift is significant.
Right.
Right.
I think I'm trying to help people to realize that there is a lot more going on than racism and Bigotry.
Probably that's not going to work either.
And ultimately, I guess there are just people that aren't worth it.
Because I used to think that you, you know, should engage people who disagree with you and have conversations and that this was how we learn and grow and progress.
Yeah, I agree with that.
But you got to pick your fights, right?
As the old saying goes, it's almost impossible to get a man to understand something when his entire livelihood depends upon him not understanding it.
Oh.
So then we just leave these people in their bubble to continue to indoctrinate, basically, children.
And then we just hope that those people figure it out when...
The real world happens and they understand that...
Well, no, no, listen.
I mean, that's maybe a bit of a false dichotomy.
First of all, your odds are changing this guy's minds, in my opinion.
And again, I don't even know who he is.
It doesn't matter.
But no, you're not going to...
It's not going to...
I mean, imagine if he starts changing his mind.
He starts thinking about being...
At least...
Accepting of some of the perspectives that Trump supporters have, or whoever, right?
Doesn't matter, right?
Let's just say he goes against the lefty herd.
Well, what's going to happen?
He's going to be shunned by his colleagues.
He's going to be attacked by his friends.
He's, you know, he probably has tenure, so he probably can't be fired, but nobody wants to go into work.
With people who aren't going to talk to them every day, right?
I mean, that's not a whole lot of fun.
He's not going to get invited to any conferences.
People are going to send around immediately that this guy seems to have slid into rampant bigotry and racism and this and that and the other.
He's not going to get his papers published anymore.
And he's going to get a lot of complaints from his students.
You know, I didn't sign up to be taught by a racist.
And this is just off the top of my head.
Just think of the dominoes that will fall should you get through to this guy.
Maybe his wife doesn't want to be married to a racist.
Maybe his kids don't want to get called sons and daughters of a racist in school.
Well, you know what, though?
I mean, he can stay in the closet.
We all have one.
We carry it around with us.
I say certain things in certain situations.
I have no closet!
No, I have the fortune to not have a closet.
Go ahead.
You don't.
But, you know, there are situations where you don't leap up and say the first thing that comes to your mind, right?
Yes.
Again, maybe not you.
No, no.
No, of course.
Of course.
Of course.
You know, you have a game face.
You have – so, I mean, I'm not saying that he has to just troll everyone at the university and, you know, become a huge shitlord and ruin his career.
But, I mean, there could be recognition maybe.
I mean, he has a brain.
He can think.
No, but tell me, what is the upside for that?
And I'm willing to hear it.
I mean, maybe there's a...
Like, if I was this guy and you were giving me this sort of Faustian bargain, why would I want to know that?
Why would I want to know that what I'm teaching people is probably propaganda?
What's the upside?
I can't act on it.
I can't change what I'm doing.
Why would I want that?
It's in the knowing.
It's in the knowing.
An ugly truth is better than a pretty lie.
Okay, that's a phrase, but give me the practical reasons why I would want to know that.
Because not knowing what's going on around you is dangerous.
Not for him.
He's got a great job.
He's got a great career.
He only has to work 10 hours a week.
He's got summers off.
He's got sabbaticals.
He's got conferences they fly him to.
How on earth is ignorance not bliss for this guy?
Well, because if this stuff is as serious as I believe it is, the status quo is going to change.
Oh, so your long-term consequences, right?
Right.
That's my case.
Look, if anybody was interested in long-term consequences, there'd be no national debt, right?
Okay.
The whole current system is founded upon burning the future to feed the present.
And he's doing very well in the present.
That's terrifying.
That is utterly terrifying.
No, but this is our selected people we live among.
Jenna, I mean, you say a painful truth.
Okay, here's your painful truth.
Oh, we want to say we're really worried about the climate and it might go up a degree or two or three in a hundred years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You guys are all so concerned about the future.
That's why you're burning up the kids' futures with...
National debts, right?
It is consumption in the present.
They don't care about the future.
This is our selection.
Ks care about the future.
This is why you cannot have a society where people who worry try to co-mingle with people who don't worry.
You are consumed with worry about the future, Jenna, because you're K-selected.
Because you care about whether you're going to eat in the spring and you're willing to be hungry now so that you can eat in the spring.
Because if you don't, you've got nothing to plant and you're dead.
So people who worry Build great civilizations.
People who don't worry then come to those civilizations and burn them to the goddamn ground.
So you worry.
And that's to some degree biological.
I mean the knowledge helps but you worry about the future.
Other people Don't worry about the future.
If people worried about the future, they wouldn't get fat.
They wouldn't smoke.
They wouldn't drink to access.
They'd save their money.
They'd do all the things that K-selected people generally tend to do, right?
But they don't care about the future.
They only are interested in the present.
Sacrificing the present for the sake of the future is ridiculous.
It's like asking an atheist to forego masturbation so he'll get into heaven and believe in heaven.
So, this is the reality of the people you're surrounded by.
You're screaming at people, but what about the future?
But what about the future?
And they, in the long run, we're all dead.
Have I got enough?
Is it comfortable for me for the next five minutes?
That's what people care.
It's not exactly a function of intelligence.
Very intelligent are selected people.
How comfortable is my next five minutes going to be?
Okay, well, politicians, we see this all the time.
This is why the Democrats don't talk about the national debt.
This is why there's no single moms for dealing with the national debt organization.
How comfortable is it for me for the next five minutes?
Now, Donald Trump is an exception to that.
He's willing to say things that get him into a lot of trouble because he has a longer picture.
His legacy, as he talked about last night, His legacy is he wants to save America.
That's a pretty cool legacy.
So he's willing to take the hits in the here and now because he wants to leave a legacy for the next thousand years.
Thousand years, they'll still be talking about Churchill.
And if Trump does what he says he's going to do, what he says he wants to do, they will be talking about Donald Trump for a thousand years.
That's a pretty cool legacy.
With Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, in my opinion, what do they care about?
They're caring about popularity and a minimum of discomfort and a minimum of conflict over the next five minutes, right?
And this is what, this kind of mindset, again, I don't know this guy, but this kind of mindset in my opinion, this is why people are, in Europe, squashing immigrant crime numbers.
Because if they tell the truth, there's going to be conflict, right?
And this desire to buy five minutes peace by pushing conflict down the road.
Now, of course, all the conflict that's pushed down the road just makes it worse when it finally hits, which is why I'm trying to provoke disagreement through the explication of facts in the here and now.
Right now, because, you know, if I've got to, in a sense, drag someone to the doctor to get the lump of their neck looked at, they've got to go.
Because the longer you don't go, the worse it's potentially going to get.
Well, this is just it.
There's going to be conflict either way.
But would you prefer a conversation or a civil war?
This is sort of where I am.
And that's because you're K-selected and you care about the future.
And there are selected people.
Do the rabbits need to plant more grass for next year?
No.
Grass is just always going to be growing.
No, no, but they are going to be affected by said, you know, civil war.
Yes, yes, and every rabbit that has sex and gives birth to another six rabbits is potentially going to end up starving to death because there are too many rabbits.
Does that mean they put in their tiny little furry condoms?
No.
They have no capacity to overcome the impulse of the moment with the fear of the future.
Wow.
It doesn't take brain surgery to figure out that big problems are coming to Europe.
And people would rather have five minutes, five days, five months, or even five years more peace, relative peace, and then it all goes to hell, rather than Have rational conversations based on facts in the here and now and possibly avert disaster.
And the funny thing too is that when it comes to Islam, there are a lot of Muslims who first came to Europe who came to Europe because they liked Europe and didn't like the Middle East.
So you're actually really screwing the decent Muslims who came to get away from the crazy Muslims by letting the crazy Muslims overrun Europe.
You're actually really harming the decent Muslims who came because they wanted some freedom and they wanted some escape from the low-rent slope-and-forehead aggressiveness that goes on in a lot of those countries.
So it's not even kind to the decent Muslims and the reasonable Muslims and the intelligent Muslims who came along because they wanted to get out of that hellhole.
Ah!
The hellhole has now caught up with you and...
I mean, the radical Muslims or the fundamentalist Muslims hate the moderate Muslims as much as they hate everyone else.
The whole goal of ISIS at the moment is to provoke attacks against Muslims from Europeans so that they say, ah, you people who are on the fence, you people who are in the gray zone, they call it.
Wow, you're going to realize just how much the Westerners hate you, and they're going to oppress you, and then you're going to have to fight.
They're pushing to radicalize everyone by creating endless series and waves of attacks.
Because they hate the moderate Muslims about as much as they hate everyone else.
In fact, they hate them more in some ways than they even hate the Christians, who at least have not been exposed to Islam.
So of course it's all going to cause problems, but people are just avoidant because it's more comfortable in the here and now.
And there's tons of people who'll sell you the drug of the now and pretend that the future won't happen.
Conversations with you are so terrifying.
Be afraid.
Be very afraid.
But no, and the reason I'm saying this is not because I want you to be terrified, Jenna, but because I want you to save your energies for where it can do the most good.
And I don't think it is in that particular environment, having these kinds of conflicts.
Okay.
It wasn't a complaint.
And where, where do I go?
Where do people like me go to do good?
Well, I think the internet.
Right.
I mean, it's the uncensored place.
Right.
And you know the triage thing, right?
The people who will survive on their own, you don't need to treat immediately.
The people who are going to die, you don't need to treat, but the people for whom your treatment will be the difference between life and death, that's how you focus on.
Okay.
In an emergency situation, the doctor's job is to walk past the beds and to go to the beds where He or she can make the most difference.
Right.
And the good news is Americans trust in the mainstream media is down to 6%.
6% of Americans trust the mainstream media.
Thanks, Don.
So, okay, so they're going to go someplace else for their information.
Some of them already have.
Ones that are savable will tune in.
This is how society is rebuilt.
Yeah.
The people who said it was coming will gain credibility after it comes.
The idea of preventing it now is hard to picture.
I'm certainly working as best as I can and as hard as I can to help to prevent it, but it seems impossible to imagine.
I mean, we all know what's going to happen this summer, right?
What's going to happen this summer is Donald Trump, if he continues to gain traction, There's going to be more and more protests, and the protests are going to get ugly.
And the protests are going to come from the takers, who don't want the makers shaking them off.
They're going to come from the leftists.
And they're going to get obviously increasingly desperate, as the dopamine of state power may be cut off for these addicts.
And the protests are going to get ugly.
And the mainstream media is going to blame who?
Trump.
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
Because if Donald Trump wasn't doing what he's doing, everything would be just fine.
And therefore, the fact that it's not fine must be entirely the fault of Donald Trump.
This is the weird, magical thinking.
If I don't go to the doctor, I'm not sick.
Staggering.
But I see that.
I get that now.
We were all together until Donald Trump came along with his facts.
Yes, it's not that people are completely unaware that there are problems, it's that they really just resent having their little boat rocked.
Yeah, and I mean, a lot of stuff is hidden, right?
I mean, when you look at the actual statistics of the number of Muslim immigrants to Western countries, like, I almost have to put on a blast helmet to read those statistics because they just make my testicles shrivel into raisins.
It's just like, what the hell?
What?
Whoever voted for this?
Millions and millions.
It's like, oh my god!
Seriously?
I know, I know.
Take a breather!
And a couple of little countries say, yeah, no, we know this is a bad idea, and they're just slammed.
It just...
Yeah, but the beautiful thing is they don't care.
Right.
No, they don't care, because they already had their fights.
Well, they had their fights with communism, they had their fights with Muslims, and they want to hang on to what they've got.
Yes.
And people in the West who live for nothing, in particular, have a great deal of trouble empathizing with people who have a big, grand world mission.
What's the big, grand world mission of Europe other than political correctness and self-flagellation and cultural suicide?
What is their big mission?
Well, Islam has a big mission.
Communism had a big mission and they were willing to make sacrifices for it.
And so it has been generations since Europe has had any kind of big mission.
You could say colonialism was the attempt to bring European civilization to the rest of the world was a big mission.
Surviving the two world wars, not the greatest mission but obviously a pretty important one.
And the last big mission that Europe had post-war was Other than, you know, standing somewhat firm against communism, which is more of a reaction.
But the sort of big positive mission was income redistribution within and between societies.
That was the last big mission.
Last big mission was the welfare state, both within the countries, and by that I include government schools and free healthcare or socialized healthcare and all that kind of stuff, right?
It was income, using the power of the state to make society...
Equal to give poor people great opportunities to, you know, take away some of the unjust earnings of rich, well, whatever.
Massive income redistribution was the last big Western utopian goal.
And it was within the countries and, of course, through foreign aid, it was supposed to make the third world like Europe.
Massive resource transfers within and between countries was the last big European mission.
It's been a complete failure.
Absolutely.
And within societies.
I mean, if the war on poverty was...
A thing, then we'd be looking at amazing results right now.
And just taking away things from people who are good with resources and giving them to people who are bad with resources, there's just no way that you can expect that to be a smashing success.
But, of course, the response to that is...
That rich people just have more room to make mistakes than poor people.
It's not that poor people are bad with money.
If the welfare state hadn't come in, there'd be no involuntary poverty anymore, functionally.
I mean, few people might have brain tumors or whatever.
But if the welfare state hadn't come in, because poverty was declining one percentage point every single year from the 1950s until the welfare state came in.
You continue that trend.
Decades ago, we would have ended poverty in the West.
Decades ago, we would have ended poverty.
Right.
But poverty now happens to be easier.
And so a certain number of people are going to choose it, right?
Right.
Yeah.
And there's the welfare cliff.
So a lot of places in the States, to get off welfare, you have to get a job.
To get the equivalent of welfare benefits, you have to get a job that pays you $65,000 a year.
Not that easy.
If you've got two kids and no high school diploma, not the easiest thing in the world to suddenly vault into making $65,000.
And that's just to break even.
And so if you're on welfare, you're taxed at effectively more than 100% rate up until about $65,000.
Then you start making a few pennies on the dollar.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you couldn't design it.
You couldn't design it to be more creating and entrapping and perpetuating of poverty, right?
I mean, so everything that Europe has turned to over the past 150 years has kind of turned to shit.
Colonialism turned to shit.
And then First and Second World War, public schools, income redistribution, health care, welfare, Foreign aid.
It's all turned to shit.
Because about 150 years ago, it was the end of classical liberalism as soon as you got government schools in.
As soon as you got government schools in, that was the end of any kind of classical liberalism, any kind of free market.
Because human beings are like ducklings.
We bond with whoever raises us.
And if it's not the free market that raises us, but government, we'll bond with the government.
And so because of government schools coming in 150 years ago, every single solution that most people have just involves the government.
More government, big, run to government, government, government, government, right?
And because government produces, and all violence produces the opposite of its stated goals, because people keep running to the government, they keep creating more problems, which has them program, they program back to run to more government to solve the problems created by the last government programs, and then it escalates until collapse.
And so, why are Europeans, why are people in the West, why are they so down on themselves?
Because they suck at being free!
Because they're programmed by government schools to run to the government whenever there's a problem.
And that means that everything that they do turns to crap.
And if everything I build falls down and takes a school full of children with it, I'm going to stop building, aren't I? Because I'm pretty horrible at doing it.
And if everything that Europeans are trying to do keeps getting worse and worse because they keep running to the government, of course they're going to run out of self-confidence as a culture.
Since every time I move, puppies die, I better stay still, right?
I mean, this is, you know...
Right.
I'm just never going to understand why smart people are so self-defeating and people with lower IQs are so ready to build an empire and set up a caliphate.
What is wrong with us?
No, that's a That's a big question.
And I'm not even going to try and take a swing at it now, although that's certainly something I'll bookmark, and I've talked about it before.
But yeah, just aim at being right.
And when you're right and you're publicly right, people will find you.
Why is this show growing so enormously and so rapidly?
Because we've been right.
We've been right.
And...
When you are consistently right, not perfectly, of course, but when you're consistently right, and you're right a lot more often than you're wrong, eventually people will, they start listening to you because they'll freak out.
You know, the farmer who was right about planting the right crops at the right time, well, when everyone gets hungry, he's got a lot of friends, right?
Right.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you very much.
For a great series of questions.
And I look forward to hearing from you again.
Keep us posted about life on the front row of academia.
Thanks, Steph.
Thanks, Jenna.
Take care.
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