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June 19, 2013 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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2409 Stefan Molyneux on the Ernest Hancock Show

Stefan Molyneux, host of Freedomain Radio, appears on the Ernest Hancock Show to talk about the recent wiretapping scandals and the path towards a free future.

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Yeah, Stephen Marno!
First guy to chair dance to the opening.
Okay.
And your little girl there.
Hello.
What's her name?
Her name is Isabella.
Isabella.
Hello, Isabella.
You know, this is...
I would...
You know, I'd like to have my grandkids come in, you know, and kind of show them off.
My son's like, no.
I'm going to get my kids involved in your stuff.
Bad enough, we had to live through it.
But they're pretty cool.
They grew up libertarian.
That's one of the things that you're a big proponent of is how you raise your children.
I mean, I'm all about Generation X, man.
We're going to grow them.
We're going to grow the solution to this whole thing.
We're going to breathe the bad guys out.
You know, I'm all hip to that.
But, you know, I want to get this one issue out.
We've got plenty to talk about.
We're going to go on about.
IRS and DOE and NSA and Obama's tracking and doing and political opposition, whatever.
And even though it's Stefan Molyneux from Toronto...
I bet you're on some NSA list, De La, who the hell is this guy infecting the minds of our livestock?
We can't have that happen.
So you know that Stephen Molyneux's name is on some list.
And I'm always kind of like, you know, if you're going to be on the list, it's better and safer to be on top of the list.
So I try and move my way up, you know, I think it's safer.
But you've been ill.
Go ahead and take this opportunity.
We're all concerned about you.
Go ahead and tell everybody everything, how you're diagnosed, what the symptoms are, your treatments, how it's going, what you're doing, because we always look forward to seeing you at Porkfest.
well you're like i'm not going to that camp and out bacterial infested on my immune systems down all these freaking young people and dirty feet kind of what oh my god what would happen you know so i understand that but uh maybe we might see you at libertopia so go ahead and tell the audience give us an update on how you're doing man .
Sure.
Well, I'm doing well.
And as you can see, I've combined the bald look from my treatments with a white background to look completely like I'm from the future.
What happened was about a year ago, I had a little lump under my neck and was sort of tracked here and misdiagnosed up here in the wonderful socialist paradise of Canadian healthcare.
And then I eventually, after being told that I was still months away from any kind of...
I went to the States.
I went to the great paradise of free market medicine, at least what's left of it, in Oklahoma City.
And I had the lump removed.
It was biopsied, and unfortunately there were some lymphoma cells in there, which is a kind of blood-borne cancer.
So I'm going through a very short round of chemo and a little bit of radiation.
They've not found anything anywhere else in the body, so it was very localized, and this is more preventive.
And my chance of recurrence when all is said and done is in the single digits.
So it's not been too bad.
I've had a little bit of nausea and a little bit of tiredness.
But other than that, it's mostly fine.
It's a very positive prognosis.
You know, if you're going to have to have cancer, this is the one you want.
And so I remain cautiously optimistic about where this is heading from here and enormously grateful to the surgeons at the Oklahoma Surgical Center, which I'd highly recommend.
I've actually done an interview with them.
And they did just a fantastic job.
Obviously, it's not what you want to hear, but it's a strange journey.
Some really good things can come out of something like this.
I feel richer, deeper.
I feel more in love with life, with my wife, with my friends, with my daughter.
I feel calmer.
There's nothing like...
Nothing like chemo to kill your worry cells, you know?
You just don't worry about that much when you've got such a stark choice ahead of you.
So it's not a recommended way for personal growth, but there's a lot of good stuff you can get out of even a crappy sandwich like this.
So it's not altogether a negative experience, if that makes any sense.
No, no, no.
I understand.
You know, in 1994, right after the election that year, I got in a bad fire.
You know, I was burned.
My right arm is grafting from my leg and all this kind of stuff.
I'll tell you what happened.
We got so many Christmas presents that year because it happened right around Thanksgiving.
My kids, the next year, they go, hey, you know, you got a good leg.
You get some burn, you get some, you know, whatever.
We get more presents, you know.
So they kind of had a, you know, silver lining on the thing, you know.
But I'm like, you know, the one thing that I really, hang on.
This segment, we've got a few more minutes.
The health care that you chose to do, how did you arrive at that?
I mean, because I know the audience, a bunch of them, oh, Kim, oh, he's got, you know, well, it's Stefan's body.
Guess what?
You know, he's going to do whatever he's going to do the way he wants to do it, for reasons he wants to do it.
Can you share with your research and your process what you went through to come to the decision of how you were going to treat this?
Yeah, the healthcare system obviously makes profit off treatment for the most part, and it makes profit off treatment, not prevention.
This is the unfortunate aspect of socialized medicine, which of course is more than half the US healthcare system as well.
I'm very much an empirical fact-based kind of guy, and I certainly did invite people who wanted to send in the double-blind experiments that prove that coffee enemas and cannabis oil and so on is going to cure me.
There doesn't seem to be a huge amount of information that is really well tested as far as that goes, and this isn't the kind of illness that you really want to mess around with.
But mostly I relied upon, you know, I have some listeners who are doctors, and they are the ones who recommended this form of treatment.
They are anarchists and capitalists and empiricists and rationalists, so I'm not going to reinvent the wheel and try experimenting on myself when faced with a potentially life-threatening illness.
That would be irresponsible, you know, as a husband, as a father.
As a thinker.
So I went with as much facts and with the best information that I could get from people that I trust the most who would not give me wrong information because they care about me, care about the show.
If it was like a year of chemotherapy, I would definitely be looking for other solutions, but I'm only doing four, which has not been particularly invasive.
invasive.
I just did my third one recently and from that standpoint it's been fine.
Stefan, I got you.
Yeah, we're back.
Okay, good.
Yeah, so it's been pretty mild and pretty fine.
I've not really had any interference with my daily.
So from that standpoint, I felt it was the best approach to get the best outcome that's medically and scientifically proven.
I mean, what else can you do?
You know, I'm hip to that.
You know, one other thing.
I mean, you think with your recovery, just one last thing.
Are you going to be able to go to Libertopia?
Do you think you'll be all right by then?
I have to do some radiation treatment, and that's going to make my throat a little sore.
So I think I'm going to take a break from all speaking until I'm going to be late.
I think October 26th, Stephanie Selle and Jeff Tucker are going to be running...
I think in Houston they're going to be running a show, so I'll be down there for that.
But yeah, until I'm done my treatments and my voice is back to normal, because it's all sort of throat-based, I think I'm going to take it pretty easy through August and then into September.
But late September I'll be back out and yelling at all appreciative audiences, at least in the South.
Do you know?
We get a break from Stefan all the more that we want to get more Stefan.
We'll be needing to get Stefan'd up.
Okay, cool.
Well, you take care of yourself, man.
But while we still got your voice and you can comment on different things, what is this in general?
Okay?
IRS, I know you want to talk about Department of Energy a little bit.
Obama does this, that, and doesn't, will, and NSA and everything.
What's the difference of the perspective by being in Toronto?
I'm wondering, because a lot of people don't really have an appreciation, you know, for the fact that you don't live in the United States.
But, I mean, you're close.
I mean, you might as well.
I mean, Toronto, you know...
What's the difference?
But, you know, how does that change?
Does it give you a little bit more of a see the forest, you know, instead of having a tree in your face?
Or is it...
I need to understand the perspective from being there and not here.
Well, you know, Ernie, it's a little bit like sort of being outside a biosphere and seeing what's going on inside.
Like when you're in the biosphere called the Empire...
then everything is really amplified, you know, because the laws are all hitting you, the debt is all hitting you, the blowback is all hitting you.
And so when you're a little bit outside looking southward, I think you see things with a little bit more perspective.
And I think that's really helpful when it comes to having a look at the sort of the death paroxysms of the late empire that is current.
I think from that standpoint, it's really, you know, our big corruption here is some guy took a $90,000 check, maybe that he shouldn't, and so there's a big investigation going on about that.
But man alive, it's nothing compared to the kind of scandals that are going on in the US. I mean, this is like a soap opera from hell on steroids currently going on.
It's just bam!
Bam, bam, bam!
Scandal after scandal after scandal.
And they all just seem to be escalating so considerably.
And the fact that the US is scooping up almost everything that you do online, and anyone who thinks they're only scooping up metadata and not content is simply someone who hasn't learned the pattern recognition of the fact that these guys only lie when they're breathing or moving.
So, it really is quite fascinating to see.
You think this scandal is really bad, and then it gets completely eclipsed by the next one that's even worse.
And I'm sure that there's going to be more revelations about the kind of data that the government is scooping up.
And the amount of power this gives to the people who have this data is unthinkable.
I mean, the amount of blackmail you can put on people, the amount of economic information, the amount of...
I mean, if you and I had access to this information, we'd be bazillionaires, because we'd see what movements were occurring in the business world before anyone else could.
No, they do.
That's what Google is.
So, it's incredible.
That's what Google is.
What happened was, is that as you're going through the observation of what's happening, and you see that...
Is there an inoculation against all of this?
Is there a...
You know, because I know that you focus on that a lot, you know, and you bring in, you know, from your own experiences and so on, you know, as a child, then you want to, you know, kind of, you know, learn from whatever, you know, that experience has in raising the next generation and so on.
What is the inoculation?
That's one thing that I'm really starting to bring a lot of people that I respect together, trying to, you know, can we inoculate the next generation in junior high or something?
They start questioning authority.
It's a seventh, eighth Grade, junior high, the man starts giving you, I'm just a bill, and that's when they do social studies and economics and kind of government, and they start getting you, yes, yes, you need to question the man.
It's your dad.
I mean, you know, it's your parent.
We've got their program for you.
I mean, you know, it's kind of...
So I can see that all of this that you're sharing with everyone and the perspective that you have and your observations on what's going on here, how do you inoculate?
What's the focus of...
We quit perpetuating this.
Yeah, I mean, this is the biggest question.
If you want to train a gymnast, you have to start up young.
You don't take some 40-year-old smoker and say, hey, we're going to put you in a leotard and a thong and give you some ribbons to dance around in the next Olympics.
So that is a challenge, of course.
But, of course, reaching the young is a challenge because, you know, a lot of their family, a lot of their parents have the same delusions as the majority.
And so it is a real challenge.
I think that the government is doing a fantastic job of inoculating the young.
I mean, the young were really into Obama.
And I think that they can see, you know, somebody put up a video the other day of the candidate Obama debating with the President Obama about things like security and transparency and openness and all that kind of stuff.
And I mean, it's ridiculous when you just see how many lies are put forward before somebody actually gets into power.
Once they get into power, they're completely unaccountable.
They don't lose their job by breaking their promises.
You know, if you lie on your resume, you get your ass kicked.
Kicked out of the door the next day if somebody finds out.
And yet you can lie to get into office and there's no repercussions whatsoever.
It's a minimum job requirement.
I think the government is doing a fantastic job of discrediting itself in the eyes of the young, particularly the Obama supporters who really felt there were going to be a change through this guy.
And there was, just for the worst, sadly.
Well, you know, I mean, they had to wonder right from the very beginning when Obama brought in all of Bush's crew.
Seriously?
And it wasn't a surprise.
You know, it kind of was.
I was thinking at least they would get somebody different from the home office, but I think their bench is getting pretty light.
I don't think they have that many people anymore that they feel they can trust to continue the empire.
And I'll tell you when I realized this.
It was when Dick Cheney was picked for VP for Bush.
You know, www.Warmonger.com Bush, okay?
I am like going, Cheney?
Are you freaking kidding me?
I remember, you know, he was in...
Oh, Scott Horton, we had him on recently.
He had a speech that he sent to me, a presentation that he was doing at a university or something, and I was watching it, and he was talking about how when Cheney was representing Halliburton, he goes over to Iran, and he's like, oh yeah, Clinton's a bad guy.
We need to open up relations with the We love Iran.
Iran's my favorite people.
But, you know, it's only under their conditions.
If they don't get them to be part of the livestock of the herd, you know, well, then we got to nuke you.
You know, so it's...
I'm so...
From your perspective of being outside looking in, how does the war machine affect the Canadian people?
I mean, do you speak for, you know, kind of with the mindset of the Canadian people or just humanity in general?
Is it from the outside looking in?
I'm wondering, Canada...
What role do they play in this?
You know, where are they?
How do they see what their role is?
They're going in the break.
When we come back, you know, that's where we're going to pick it up from.
There are other countries involved in governments and stuff, too.
How do they feel?
They're being represented.
Are they ready to storm Washington, you know, monument the mall there with Americans?
There are those that just want to be left alone.
And those that just won't leave them alone.
Which one are you?
The Ernest Hancock Show.
Okay.
Stefan Molyneux, you ferner.
You know what?
Tell me.
Tell me.
Where's that theme come from?
Where's that music?
What is that?
How do you recognize that?
Do you?
Johnny Quest!
You know, I don't recognize it, but I really feel like I should be riding a horse in some planes after some distant enemy.
Have you ever heard of Johnny Quest, the cartoon, the show?
Ferner!
Yeah, yeah, but I think I was growing up in England.
It wasn't available here, and by the time I got here, I was too old to watch it, but I've heard of it, yeah.
Oh, man, that's what I see.
I always ask guests.
You know, it's rare that you get anybody that knows what that is, but there's a special prize waiting for them.
Okay.
This is...
One thing that I wanted to make sure we got into, I still am fascinated by someone that, one, you know, we have one gentleman that calls it the language of liberty, being English, and he has programs all over the world that he goes around these young people and they teach them to teach.
You know, it's kind of this...
This viral thing they're trying to create in the minds of Generation Next, and I'm very supportive of what they're doing.
So my thing is that they have a different perspective on America.
A lot of times they'll come here and one state is different from another.
A group from Poland will come here and I take them out shooting and they're freaking...
Man, they can't take enough pictures to put on their Facebook in Poland.
And they're a rock star because they got a battle rifle.
So I'm going, this is from your perspective.
Do you see America, certainly from your view, are they near rebellion?
Are the Canadians like, yeah, right on, you know, we know what it's about, you know, you guys go ahead and go give them what fur and maybe we'll golf clap?
Or are we, you know, more enslaved because we think we might have the option of advocating for freedom?
Are we livestock?
I mean, where do you see or you think Canadian people see or they look at Americans and they go, wow, they'll put up with anything.
I mean, you know, damn.
So, you know, what's your perspective on that?
How are we seeing?
You know, everything in America, Ernie, is getting wider and wider.
And that to me is, you know, there's a huge cultural split that's just getting wider and wider and wider.
So the statistics are clear, right?
The gap between the rich and the poor is getting wider and wider.
The gap between the educated and the uneducated is getting wider and wider.
The gap between those who have opportunities and those who don't.
The gap between those who are in gated communities and those who are in ghettos.
Just getting wider and wider.
And the gap between the people who are enraged at the incredible growth in power and fear of particularly the federal government, also local governments as well, and those who are complacent and those who are bought off by the government, you know, like half of America gets a lot of its and those who are complacent and those who are bought off by the government, you know, like half of America gets a So the gap between those who are being forced to pay and those who are receiving the money is getting wider and wider, the haves and the have-nots.
So what's happening is America is like watching a ship sailing along a stormy ocean that is just splitting down the middle of America.
And so one of the things that I think you can see is...
I find it quite interesting when you look at the articles on the scandals.
I read the articles briefly and I really look at the comments in general.
And the comments are so incredibly polarized.
You know, there's people who are saying, you know, I've got my guns.
I've got my food in the basement.
I'm ready for what's coming next.
And there are other people who are like, hey, man, the government's your friend.
It's here to help.
And there really is just such a wide divide in America that...
There is going to be definitely a cultural civil war that is going to be erupting soon.
Of course, it's everyone's hope that it remains peaceful and the transition to a more peaceful society is as peaceful as possible.
Whether that can be achieved or not, I don't know.
There are just so many people on the opposite side of the gun, right?
There are people who are receiving the benefits of the gun and there are people who the gun is pointing at who are extracting those benefits from them.
That split is something that is really terrifying to see because it's really unpredictable to see Where this is going to go when the government runs out of money, which it inevitably is going to do, or when inflation hits, which, unless things change, it is inevitably going to do.
So, yeah, I see this just massive, ever-increasing gap in American society where people are just shouting incomprehensible slogans at each other across an ever-widening lava canyon.
You know, we're just doing some t-shirts that we, you know, we have a t-shirt making, silkscreen thing here, and the guys come over and they do whatever, and we have one that is, it says, government doesn't work, I want my money back.
And around it, okay, is a graph.
It's just like a rectangle square, and it has an angle going up.
It has government promises.
Then at the bottom, and it starts at, you know, 1787, the Constitution or whatever, and it says individual freedom.
So it kind of doesn't match.
I mean, it's down here.
Like this.
It's down here.
And it goes up and down and down and up and down and up and down and up.
And it keeps kind of trending down.
And you have, okay, well, they had the alien sedition when it went down.
They had the, you know, various different things.
Like the Civil War.
Oh, it took a dump down.
You know, then maybe a little bit up.
And then all of a sudden, you know, the Great Society, the, you know, whatever the heck, it's all more socialism, the Federal Reserve, IRS, it goes down.
Then it hits 9-11, boom, it falls off the chart.
And the reason we did that, and we call it the revolution gap, when the distance between what was promised and what reality is gets to a certain point, you always have revolutions.
And there's a lot of sparks for it.
You know, in V for Vendetta, a little girl gets shot in the back, but there's an environment.
In Turkey, you have, oh, they're going to build a mall, and we don't want...
And all of a sudden, the entire country goes into riot.
It's because they wanted to build a mall?
No!
That was just a flashpoint.
There's all this other stuff behind it.
There is going to be something happening here in the United States.
It's going to be something.
And they're always like, oh, the NSA thing, that's it.
I go, I've been through this a gazillion times.
You know, a lot of people thought when the Downing Street memo thing came out that the Iraq war was just all BS. You know, well, that's what...
No, it's not.
You know, what's going to happen?
It's going to be economics.
It's going to be, you know, hey, man, it's like what happened to the Arab Spring.
I can't feed myself.
I don't have the food.
It's too expensive.
The shelves are bare.
It's going to be, I'd be hungry, bow, bow, bow.
That is what's going to happen, in my opinion.
So I'm like, you know, what's going to save us?
What's the philosophy?
You know, how are we going to get into the next afterstage and it be better instead of, you know, giving Chancellor, what's his name, you know, coming, all this power to fix it for me?
You know, help me out here.
Well, I think it's, you know, the levolution, I think, has always been a great phrase.
And there are the people who are receiving all of these, quote, benefits from the government.
And when the government runs out of money, the government can't pay its bills, those people are going to want to have a revolt.
Because they're going to be basically the poor people in Egypt who can't feed themselves.
themselves, when you stop getting the welfare checks, when you stop getting your SSI or your whatever it is, SSDI, then there's going to be a desire for them to take to the streets, there's going to be riots, because they have cornered themselves into such a position of helpless dependence that they've lost all kind of pride in themselves, all kind of belief in their ability to sustain because they have cornered themselves into such a position of helpless dependence that they've lost all kind of pride in themselves, all kind of belief
And I think, you know, like this show Intervention on TV, I've watched a couple of times where you sit down with someone who's really addicted to something negative and you say, look, out of love for you, I have to tell you what the reality is.
I have to tell you what the truth is.
I have to tell you how terrible this is for you.
No matter how good it feels in the moment, it is killing you.
It's killing our family.
It's killing our community.
And these people who are addicted to the state benefits, the state power, and I mean this by the rich as well, right?
Because it's the military-industrial complex as well.
It's easy to pick on the welfare of people, but, you know, we're talking about the rich people as well, the financial industry, the lobbyists.
We have to, with love, take away these terrible addictions to the fruits of power, to the fruits of violence.
If we can find it in our hearts to take things away from people out of love rather than out of vengeance, I think we have a chance to do this thing peacefully.
But if it's...
If it's going to be reactionary and angry and rage-filled, then it's just going to escalate.
But if we can find it in our hearts to reach out with love to people who are addicted to the fruits of violence, try and take those fruits gently from their hands with all the compassion and generosity of spirit that we can muster, I think that we have the best chance.
But you can't scream and yell at people who have become so addicted to these fruits of this state power.
It's just going to cause an escalation that's going to tear the country apart.
I think that's the great challenge.
You know, it's not like love your enemy, it's love those who have been propagandized into believing that dependence on state power is sustainable or even acceptable.
Won't you be my neighbor?
That's the title theme of what we're doing, seriously.
You know, you look at the, you go to Freedom's Phoenix, you go to the top left under the bird, it says magazine, radio, TV there, and the drop down, the second option is online magazine.
The last cover of this last month was what?
Won't you be my neighbor?
So we wrote articles and introduced ourselves to our neighbors here.
We've been here a couple of years, but we haven't really made an effort because we're like a bunch of crazies, not sure what they think politically.
But won't you be my neighbor?
We want you not to starve so you don't have to come kill my dog for food.
I mean, you know, that's a good thing.
And now, live from the studios of Freedom's Phoenix, Ernest Hancock.
Stephen Molyneux, that's exactly how Manny Maldonado wrote the lyrics. that's exactly how Manny Maldonado wrote the lyrics.
You know, that's what he was advocating.
He's going, hey man, it's all about the love, love-olution.
You know, this is where I can see, I really like that song.
I'll tell you where it has a, you know, a kind of special part, a place in my heart.
Is my youngest daughter.
She produced for me for a couple of years.
And she, you know, she heard all this.
She's just like, yeah, she grew up this.
Yeah, whatever.
You know, doesn't everybody's family advocate for freedom?
You're done?
I didn't know that.
And she's 21, 22 at the time.
And she went to a Black Eyed Pea concert.
And she actually listened to the lyrics of this.
And she came...
Dad, Dad, Dad, you've got to listen to this.
You've got to listen to this song.
And I'd heard it on the radio before.
I didn't pay any attention to it.
And I'm going, wow.
You know, where's the love?
We even did bumper sticker with, you know, they had a logo, a question mark thing that we did with the love logo.
So we got bumper stickers and t-shirts and everything based on my daughter's infatuation with this song.
And it's based on everything that Stefan Molyneux was just talking about.
Off air, I know a lot of you guys know, but I'm just showing them our Aquadome and Won't You Be My Neighbor project and all that kind of stuff.
Because that's really where we're going.
I'm going, look, man, if you don't love your neighbor, you know, he might not love you back.
And I'm just, I'm like, even though they're bad and they're misinformed and propagandized, I think most people are good or at least want to do what they think is good.
They've just been propagandized.
And they want to be liked and they want to be popular and they want to be whatever.
And one thing that Stefan Molyneux does is he gets right...
I mean, the first thing that I was exposed to him is something I really recognized was...
I guess you look it up, Statism 13 or something, Stefan can tell us about that.
But it was the concept that you get a lot more productivity when people are free, but you create this engine that supplies the means by which you get, you know, not free anymore.
And you may have a free-range chicken out there, and you're more productive and healthier and everything, but in the end, you wind up in a chicken McNugget box.
So when I saw all this stuff, the Matrix, Statism is Dead 13 or something like that, you can look it up, I was, I'm going, man, who the heck is this guy?
And it's a year or more later that I actually met him, and I go, you the freaking man.
I mean, are you still doing those kinds of videos and stuff, Stephan?
Yeah, actually, we've just, I think, passed 16 or 17 million views on YouTube.
So, yeah, I'm still doing those kinds of videos.
I'm actually working with Sean Lennon and Pete Drungle on a documentary.
They're doing the music and I've written the script and we're working away on that.
It's hopefully going to be out later this year.
I've been slightly delayed by my ailments of a kind.
So, yeah, we're still trying to get the word out, still trying to get the message out.
Tell me about the documentary.
So yeah, the idea, of course, is that we kind of got this freedom just before the Industrial Revolution.
And people mistook this like, well, we're just going to get more and more free.
But all they found was that under slavery, you didn't get much productivity out of your slaves because they had no ambition, no inertia, no entrepreneurship.
Lots of inertia.
And then they switched to serfdom, which was slightly more productive, where you were bought and sold with the land.
At least you had your little plot.
And then they decided to say, hey, let's let people choose their own occupations, and they got a lot more productivity out of people.
But the goal is more productivity.
The goal is not freedom.
We're kind of getting progressively more free, at least we were, but not because any of our rulers really wanted to make us free, but just because the more free we think we are, the more productivity we create for them.
The more assets we create, the more they can use it as leverage to borrow against our productivity, thus enslaving future generations with our own sweat and labor.
It really is a horrible trap, which is going to exist as long as the state exists, which is why you can't really, I think, advocate for a small estate – You know, you rewind this tape, it's just going to play the same way out again.
Thank you.
This is, you know, I want you to dwell on that a little bit, explain what you just said.
Because there was another video that you had, and I mean, you know, you might as well just, you know, get some coffee and put your feet up because, you know, Stephan starts a video.
But the thing is that it was on the concept that any government...
You know, especially ones that have just a little government.
What happens is it gives the people the incentive to be enormously productive, and then they start tapping into that.
And, you know, a country that's as prosperous as the United States, you know, without us even really noticing, we created this enormous surveillance war welfare state thing because...
They could.
And they gave us enough freedom for us to supply the engine for them, and then they always do what happened you described.
So explain that to people so that it sticks in, man, because, I mean, that really had a big impact on me.
Yeah.
Look, why do we have an NSA scandal?
Why do we have all this metadata or actual data being collected?
Because we have the remnants of a free market, which has produced companies like Google, like Microsoft, like Verizon, like Sprint.
And so because we have the remnants of the free market, we have all the technological productivity of what's left of the free market.
That is what has given the government all this power.
The government is simply picking up on all the productivity of the free market and turning it against us.
Why didn't we have this stuff in the Middle Ages?
Because there's no free market.
In the Middle Ages.
So, the problem is whenever you come up with great things, whenever you come up with wonderful technology, the government will simply grab it and use it against the people.
This is why having the remnants of the free market is so dangerous because all the technology that the government is using Welcome to my show!
When you still have a government, all you're doing is feeding the beast that is going to control you when you have a free market.
And now this chilling effect where everyone feels that everything they're doing online is being monitored, that is a real chilling effect on our ability to freely communicate with each other.
So, it's really, really dangerous.
As long as you still have a government, the more productive, the more innovative, the more creative the free market is, the more they're going to grab all of this stuff and use it to further control and monitor the citizens.
I mean, imagine if we had all of this creativity and productivity without the free market.
We'd be sailing through the stars right now.
Why can't we have good stuff?
Why can't we have stuff that doesn't turn against us?
Because we have a state that is going to constantly co-opt all of the great things we create and use it against us.
It's a horrible trap, but it's going to exist as long as the state does.
So, when is the state going to go away?
I mean, it has to go away first in our heads.
And I'm just wondering, you know, what is the, you know, your best practice that you have for creating an environment that we don't have a state in our heads?
I mean, they go, there will always be a government.
Yeah, I mean, you know, maybe for you.
I mean, you know, but not for me.
Well, there's always going to be a, you're in the, we drew this line, you know, this circle, and you were inside it, so you're in it.
And I'm going...
No.
I mean, unless all of a sudden you're injecting some cord in the back of my head, I'm not in it.
And they go, yeah, you are.
And they're pissed off because you're a crab that's escaped from the bucket, and they keep trying to pull you back in.
And I'm like, what is it that does that?
Is it genetic?
I mean, is it human nature?
Is it learned?
Is it special secret handshake Illuminati book of the month club for tyrants or something?
I mean, where does this come from?
Well, it comes from how we're raised.
It comes from early childhood.
It comes from parents hitting their children saying, don't hit people.
That immediately creates a double standard for those who are in authority who can use violence to oppose violence.
And this is what makes us accept things like taxation.
It happens when we hand our children over to the state and send them through public schools, where all they hear about is how wonderful the state is and how if there was no state, it would be like this.
The Purge, you know, like the one day, the movie with the one day a year where everyone can do whatever they want.
And of course, immediately what they want to do is start killing each other.
It's all the myth that we have about how we only have to be afraid of our fellow citizens, not the people who have nuclear weapons, guns, prison systems, national debts and all that.
So it comes in terms of how we're raised.
I mean, there's an article that came out recently that said libertarianism is a cult.
It's like, oh, you've got to be kidding me.
I mean, the military is a cult.
Public school is a cult.
I mean, this is where they indoctrinate people night and day to believe in all the things that are toxic to their souls.
It's natural.
I mean, we have to raise our children, keep them away from the state, keep them away from hypocrisy on the part of parents, keep them away from violence and intimidation, and they won't believe in the state when they get up.
I am very glad that you're still with us.
It looks like you're going to be for a while.
You know, we need this transition.
I mean, you know, there's a lot of things that need to be done.
And there's few people that have had the impact on me.
That, of course, then impacts how I communicate with my audience.
And few people have had as much impact on me as Stefan Molyneux.
And I want to thank Stephen Molyneux for doing such a great job in advocating for the Leave Me Alone-ism that, you know, I'm in with.
And I'm glad that it's not just in America.
You know, it's like, you know, Canada, keep an eye on us.
Oh, stay there.
I want to show you something.
The audience knows it's like a hassle-free zone in Mexico.
You know, we can go to Mexico to be hassle-free.
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