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March 9, 2008 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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Alright. So, sorry, don't let me interrupt.
Go ahead. Interrupt?
Yeah, really.
I mean, as soon as you get on here, it's crickets, Steph.
It must be you. People are just not used to getting, like, I'll wait for a breath.
Oh, that's not happening. Yeah, well, you know, it started with me and Nathan, and then we had an ulterior motive.
I just kept wanting to add men.
Sure, don't forget to add Nate.
Yeah, please. Hello.
Okay, you know what two films really suck?
Fire away. Idiocracy.
Larry the Cable Guy movies?
There Will Be Blood is one of the worst films I've ever seen, and sweet mother of God, what is up with No Country for Old Men?
That I've never heard of.
I've heard that movie was really, really stupid.
It was the Best Picture winner, wasn't it?
Yes, it was. And I thought that Fargo was good, like I saw these guys do Fargo, which is a very similar film, but...
Man, it's like, we don't know how to end this.
I think we're out of money.
Just unplug the camera.
So it had one of those crappy, like, cut-out, you-don't-know-what-happens endings?
Yeah, it's like, seriously, are you guys going to see, well, No Country for Old Men is just communism.
It's from an Upton Sinclair novel of the 1920s.
And the first, I don't know, first half hour, maybe 45 minutes is pretty good.
He's an enterprising capitalist who's out there trying to dig oil wells and he's bringing peace and prosperity and he's facing a priest guy who's kind of sleazy and so on.
But then in the middle of the film, he just wakes up one day and says, hey, you know what?
I'm just going to be stinking evil today, and pretty much for the rest of my life.
For no reason. That's just what I do.
Now that I've drilled my RL, I'm just going to start killing people.
And it's just completely stupid.
But it's totally predictable, isn't it?
I mean, it's totally predictable.
You know, a big bad oil tycoon just suddenly turns on humanity and...
Well, but what's different about it, at least from a lot of the contemporary films, in which I consider sort of a backslide, is that, you know, that old thing, the communist thing, the world will not be free until the last priest is strangled on the guts of the last capitalist or whatever, right?
And so I thought in the beginning of the film that he was skeptical of the clergy and a kind of positive do-gooder capitalist, right?
Or energetic sort of, and, you know, there seemed to be a lot of the self-made man and so on, cares about his son and And he just wakes up one day and says, you know what?
I just hate people. And that's been my whole motivation.
Why? I don't know, because we need a second half of the film and we can't think of anything possible for the capitalist.
And then he ends up killing the priest.
So basically it's just communism, right?
The two evils in the world are religion and capitalism.
And that's about all.
And it's just like... They say it's a great detour de force of acting, and it's like, but there was no character.
It's just this guy who likes drilling oil and killing people.
Oh, man. Justin Sinclair for you.
Did you see both of these tonight?
No. No, I didn't see, I saw them this week.
I saw them this week.
But I was just, I was, because I watched the Oscars, and I was like, well, okay, let's see what, because I haven't seen a film in I don't know how long, right?
But it's like, oh, yeah, that's why I don't do it.
Well, I remember hearing, like, people were saying, oh, the Oscars are, all the nominees are so dark this year, but I never knew what they were talking about, because I don't, I haven't seen any of those films.
Yeah, well, it's, you know, we really need a new generation of filmmakers, but I don't think we'll get them at the moment.
But, you know, just people who are like, to whom that stuff just seems stupid.
It would be embarrassing.
It would be like me going to Hollywood and saying, hey, I've got this great idea for a film.
We've got a bunch of orphans, see?
And they need to save a nun, and they say, hey, let's put on a show.
People would just be like, oh my god, that was old when Little Rascals was around.
Right? It's the same thing.
It's like, well, we have this capitalist guy, right?
See? And he turns out to be evil, and it's like, oh, God, can we just get a new plot?
The mustache twirling.
Yeah, he's even got a mustache.
Actually, I was waiting for him to break into Bohemian Rhapsody Hot with the film, but...
Oh, man.
You must have...
Maybe they could get, like, one new plot in 50 years, one new plot, anybody.
This is 150. This has been going on since the 1850s.
Yeah, that's true. Oh man, it's just like, oh, I can't pay the rent.
You must pay the rent.
I can't pay the rent.
You must pay the rent.
Okay, that's regarding the 1820s then.
I'll pay the rent.
Did you explain what the There Will Be Blood was about?
Did I explain it? I mean, to us, did you?
Was No Country of Old Men the one you just talked about?
No, I was talking, and for Mr.
C, I just got his voicemail, so I don't know how to add him, but I've had his voicemail three times.
He says what the heck?
Yeah, just, I don't have the chat window running.
He's going to turn his Skype back on, I think.
Yeah, if he wants to join a Skype conversation, that might be one thing to do.
I can try it again, I think.
I don't know the exact API, but I'm pretty sure it's got to be running.
Are you sure?
Because I'm not sure about that one.
Somebody's being a girly girl, and it's not Greg for once.
Oh, I could be a little bit more ditzy.
You know... Yeah, whatever.
Okay. As if.
This much, huh? Okay, so let's, like, spend the rest of the evening sniping at each other, like, really shallow girls.
Like, really shallow girls?
Okay. Like, really shallow girls.
I don't know, Charlotte. Could the font be, like, any more boring and masculine in this?
Like, not a single piece of flaming hypertext, like, anywhere on the board?
Like, what's up with that? Like, seriously, it's not Greg's fault.
Who is that guy?
And like, what is this?
It's like, the guy's like, oh yeah, I want to talk to some people.
Like, all I want to do is talk to the young people.
and it's like, dude, sketching a little chackle of Rogaine or something because you look like my old uncle.
Actually, you look a little bit nicer than my old uncle, but the I mean, here, kids, I'm going to talk to you about philosophy, and I'm just going to put my hand on my leg, because that's how we talk about philosophy.
I'm going to put one hand on your leg, and it's like, ew.
Like, that is so totally true.
And you know what? It's like YouTube, right?
It's like YouTube. And so it's like 320 by 240.
It's like nothing, right? But you zoom in there, it's like, what is that?
Like a Jesus shrub of nose hairs going on there?
Like, what is up with that? Can I not even trim if he's going to be on camera?
You know what you should do?
You should grow your hair really long in the back, and then you could put on some ropes or something, and you would so look like Socrates, man.
Well, what I'm thinking, if I were the guy, there's not much to work with, obviously, right?
But I mean, if I was the guy's makeup guy, what I would do is I'd say, okay, you want to grow those trim Jesus bushes out of your nose, and you're probably only a few months away because you're just so old, right?
You're probably only a few months away from getting good ear hair going.
So what you do is you get the four corners of the earth meeting along the top, and you get a kind of hair dome that way.
Just pull them up, round the eyes, pull the ear stuff out of the top, and you get a top knot, and then you get a little top ponytail there, too.
I think that'd be cool. Oh, that would be, like, so cute.
That'd be so adorable.
And you could get, like, some hot Asian girls with their stuffed animals, and you could, like, sit on a bed with all of them around you, and they could, like, giggle any time that you said something funny, and that would be...
Okay, you win.
What the heck was that?
Me with nasal hair tied on the top of my head, sitting on a bed with hot Asian girls just blew my mind.
You totally win. I cannot out-value that.
I am the undisputed master of something!
Finally! I've waited all my life!
Some might call it a Hall of Victory, but I didn't take it nonetheless.
I think it was pretty close.
Steph had you pretty close on that Valley Girl thing.
I think she was taking something out of the 12th century.
Although I don't know...
I don't know if that's a prize that I would want.
Although, you know, if I did have all my nose hairs pulled up and tied in a top knot with my ear hair, I might actually look like a very old, hot Asian girl.
That's true. That would do wonders.
Wonders for you, Derek.
Wonders would be achieved, for sure.
Go ahead.
I was just thinking if many of your comments on that Hot Asian Girls video were people who were actually looking for Hot Asian Girls.
Well, I don't know if you saw on the board, but the way that YouTube cuts it off, I didn't plan it this way.
It was like, Hot Asian Girls discuss ANA dot dot dot.
So, the degree of staggering disappointment was probably...
Energy...
Maybe that's Japanese for, oh no!
Oh my gosh, that is awesome.
Analgesic cream. Yeah, that's right.
Anabaptist. Well, the irony of that is that the job interview skills video is still beating it in the rankings.
Yeah, it is. Where do you get people watching that?
Did some big, like...
I don't know, job interview skill site, post a link to it or something?
I have no idea. I mean, the Ron Paul ones, the procrastination one is pretty good.
But yeah, by far the biggest one is the job skills.
I think it's because it's the related videos thing.
I think that people are just looking for job interview tips and they see it that way.
It's just amazing to me that that's more popular than the falsely named one.
Do you think there's a chance that people re-listen to it because they have a job interview and then a month later they have another?
Do you think that might be part of it?
I've certainly got emails from people who said they've listened to it a couple of times, right?
Right. But I think the problem with the hot Asian girls is the thumbnail.
I think that pretty much gives the game away.
It would be much better if I knew where YouTube spliced in the thumbnails so that I could put a picture right in that five-second spot.
Yes, I was wondering, because I think it's right at the half, isn't it?
I think you can choose them now.
There's three. I don't know if it's a third or third or third or whatever, but...
Oh yes, you should totally, like, just splice this hot Asian girl right in the middle of it.
Yeah, do like a Tyler Durden thing with single frames, right?
No hot Asian girls yet.
Sure they're coming. Yep, I'm here.
Mr. C's having issues.
I don't know what's going on with him.
I don't know why he keeps, uh...
Well, you know who we should talk about, then.
Oh, Mr. C? Of course.
How old is Mr. C? 28.
Oh, okay. He doesn't look that old in his avatar.
Nature of all time.
Yeah.
I can't imagine why Ash thought, Nate, you would have told me.
Why Ash thought what?
That you would have told me about Podcast 1000.
I didn't think Nate would have.
Did you find out about it, or was it just you came up with it also?
Personally, I think everybody got it subconsciously from that other Leo Marth guy who posted it a couple of weeks ago.
No, it was a total coincidence.
Yeah, just a total coincidence.
Okay. What do you think of putting it all together?
What do you mean? When are you thinking of getting it all together to get released in a few days or a couple of weeks?
You mean like that's up to me?
You know what these people are like.
It's like herding cats, you know?
I could make up whatever schedule I want, and people are like, oh, I did it, but then my video recorder crashed, and I couldn't upload.
My mom can't eat it.
People will send it to me, and we'll get it done when we'll get it done, but everyone's like, ooh, when should I get it done?
And it's like, I don't know, do you want to do it?
If you want to do it...
You don't get people calling me up saying, you know, I'm not sure if I should pee or poo.
What's your joke? What's your vote? If you want to record something, record it and send it in, right?
There's at least 20 people, Seth, that have said that they'll do something by the end of the weekend, so that should be something.
Yeah, that was actually one benefit of it being a surprise was that we were under the time pressure of just exactly when you might actually get to 1,000 yourself, so...
Right, right. And everyone was like, oh, the physician, the philosopher's physician, it's a sucky idea, but man, it'll keep him busy for a while, so let's just egg him along, right?
Yeah, you go look in all that code, my friend.
That's great.
We'll go make your podcast for you.
Steph, earlier you said you were getting off to work on that.
How's it going? Oh, I lost half a day today to the evil gremlins of Adobe Premiere Elements or whatever.
Oh, right. I remember you talking about that.
Yeah, no, it's really great in terms of the – it makes it look a whole lot more polished and professional in terms of the preview window.
So what I think I'm going to do is I'm going to take Greg's camera and I'm going to zoom in on the preview window, and that's going to be my video.
Because whenever I try to compile the actual video, it just crashes to desktop.
Damn! Yeah, it's pretty evil.
And because it's got six million presets, I'm like, hey, I'll try another preset.
And then it did create one video that then was, you know...
You know, if you don't have a stutter, that's no problem.
problem, we can add one for you.
I'm waiting for it to inject some flop sweat in the video as well, just to make me look really twitchy like an ex-heroin addict.
So did you like my...
Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
I was wondering if you liked my other version of my...
Podcast 1000 recording.
Sorry, I was just finishing up the...
I finally got it to produce a video, so I was just finishing that up tonight.
I haven't listened to your...
I kind of went a little nuts there.
That's good, because that's the kind of exposure we want.
Right. You'll see.
I don't know if you watch much late-night TV, but you'll see.
What I'd like to do is just have everyone pretty much bark it and we put subtitles in.
Exactly.
Free Domain Radio.
No longer will the listeners do it on your lawn.
I like that Star Wars dub.
I didn't get that.
That was just lost to me.
I got the a-ha thing.
I just didn't get it. A-ha! Oh, that was a mustache.
Yeah, Eddie Murphy film? Yeah.
That was a funny movie.
I don't care what anybody says.
I thought that was hilarious.
Going to America? Yeah.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny. And at the end, they've got...
Not at the end, but...
The Trading Places guys.
Yeah, Murphy's coming out of the restaurant with his girlfriend, and the two Trading Places guys are lying down on these cardboard mats next to a garbage can.
So I sold 20 books today.
20? 20.
Sounds good. Wow.
Is that a record yet?
I think that it might be.
I think that it might well be. Wow.
You know, when Oprah asks for the $79 deal, I'm like, Jesus, how cheap can you get, woman?
Was there any book that was predominantly being sold?
Yeah, I mean, no.
No. The God of Atheists is a universal non-favorite, but the non-fiction stuff is selling pretty much spread over.
Why do you think it is that The God of Atheists is a universal non-favorite?
Oh, I just think that most of the people who really wanted to get a hold of it have listened to the audiobook.
Oh, right, right. You know, because the audiobook was sent around like thousands of times before I shut it down from Christina's site and put it in the new site.
So, yeah, I think, and also remember the people who, people, everybody who's a Silver Plus gets the PDF for free, so it's kind of tough to, I think it's just, you know, people have either read it or read bits of it and decided they don't like it or they've listened to the audiobook, but, and it's pretty expensive too, so.
Yeah, I imagine for general audiences, just browsing around in Lulu, the title's probably pretty scary.
Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine anybody would just brass around Lulu and buy a book, but maybe they do.
It's possible. Yeah, I mean, I've never done it.
I mean, if I wanted to buy a book...
I usually go and see if anyone I like has put anything out.
Trying a new author out is really a big high hill.
Yeah, it's pretty dicey.
Yeah, and especially, you know, it's like, hmm, okay, so here's a place where there's no agents, and no editing, and no publishers, and anyone can do it.
Hmm, I wonder...
Well, you're there.
Well, I am there, but let's just say that the odds, and if this is true, maybe it's true, I think it might be true, but let's say that the odds are that a writer who is too brilliant for every known publisher on the planet is going to be this.
You wouldn't want to put a whole lot of money on that, I think.
Okay, I guess that maybe is a little too vain for even you.
Well, no, I think it's true.
I think it's true insofar as that the book has a kind of sense of life and message that is not going to work in a world where the movies we were talking about are the most popular.
So you don't think it'll be made into a movie soon?
No. Crazy Talk could make a good movie, but no, I think To Go would be a good film, but...
Unfortunately, because a lot of the value in To Goa is the prose, which you can't do in a movie.
Voiceovers are always so cheesy.
So I don't know that it could be made into a great film.
Unless you've got really good actors or whatever.
Well, George Clooney could do Dave and...
No, he's too looking for Dave.
You've got to get somebody like Gene Hackman or something.
Someone who just looks like a bit of a squashed potato would be slightly better at Dave.
Danny DeVito? He's like a third-tier businessman.
He's not somebody who'd be up in Georgia.
Oh. Definitely, Danny DeVito.
I'm sorry? Definitely Danny DeVito.
No, it can't be that bad, but yeah, you wouldn't...
I really dislike this.
I hope, if they do the Atlas Shrug thing, I really hope that they don't cast these gorgeous people in the roles.
Oh my gosh. Of course that's what they're going to do.
Of course that's what they're going to do.
And Angelina Jolie, I'm gone.
I don't even know if I'd be able to watch it then, because...
I mean, Ayn Rand had a fair amount of physical vanity, right, which seeped into her books quite a bit, you know, and these imperious and tossing hair women and so on, and I just think it would be great to have an actor who could portray an inner beauty without having these covergirl looks, but, I don't know, not likely, right?
Well, but I don't know how seriously I can take Angelina Jolie's Dagny Taggart if she's got a Che Guevara tattoo.
Right. I mean, it's just not going to happen.
Well, you know, I wonder if, you know, if she read the books and loves the books, I'm not sure where she's doing the whole United Nations thing from, but she's mental, right?
So, I mean, she's completely insane.
She carried a vial of Billy Bob Thornton's blood around her neck for a couple of years, right?
I mean, the woman's like a twisted sister par excellence, so, you know, we wouldn't look to them for consistency, right?
Holy crap, Billy Bob.
Where do you read this stuff?
Do you like read the stuff in the aisles or something on the checkout aisle?
Steph has TMZ as his home page.
This is like celebrity gossip from like nine years ago.
I mean, it's not like I'm up on the latest, right?
What do we go next? The Wallace and Mrs.
Simpson case is really quite spectacular.
Hey, that's about as up-to-date as I am.
I'm sorry. I guess we're all up to the same page.
Yeah, I feel good. So, in other words, all we have to do is make TMZ our homepage and we'd be way ahead of Steph then.
Right. Well, don't you guys get the Yahoo or MSN or anything that that page pops up and occasionally something grabs your attention?
It's like, oh my god, what is that?
How are Brittany's kids doing?
Well, the thing is, on Yahoo and MSN, everything's trying to grab your attention.
I don't think there's anything on those pages that isn't blinking or flashing or scrolling.
Yeah, that's true.
Do you have epilepsy? I do now.
Right. Uh-oh.
Wow, a good donation-begging day.
Good today. Do you have good results from that?
Oh yeah, no, absolutely.
When I do those huddled orphan in a snowstorm posts, usually things are fairly good.
I try not to use them too often, you know.
Well, that's where it turned out pretty interesting.
Can I have some more gruel?
Yeah, I'm glad that guy, you know, I for sure thought that was just going to go right off a cliff.
So good for him, and I'm glad that he managed to dive out of the car before it rolled.
Maybe he had a conversation with someone else, or maybe what he did was he went over to the Limey board, and he was like, fine, I'm going here.
And he was like, ah, okay, I'm not going here.
So Steph, if we want to give you more gruel, where do we mail it?
The gruel? Yes!
The gruel! Well, you show up with a car washing rag too, why?
Foot oils, car washing stuff, and a strong back for snow shoveling is pretty key, so...
Well, see, someone else is actually living in his house.
Now he's just huddled out in the backyard right now.
Oh, if only the people who only think this is a cult could see what we're doing to the basement.
He's in a tent.
It's like a UN refugee camp.
That's right. Eating decaying pigeons.
I'll come wash your car if you want, Steph.
I'm sorry? I'll come wash your car if you want.
Just take me a while to get up there.
Right, right, right, right.
Actually, unfortunately, the Volvo just doesn't start at the moment.
I have to get the battery redone.
But it's okay, because we don't use it that much.
I don't barely leave the house, so...
You're not leaving the compound, huh?
No, it wasn't. Have they cut off the water yet?
It's interesting to hear because, you know, Mark Stevens is a big anarchist, although he is a deist, vaguely religious.
But he's saving me a lot of time because after the show, he always tells me about how, oh, all the effort and work that he's been putting into trying to get his own radio show and all the experience he's gotten and all this, that, and the other.
And it's just like... Well, I'm really glad to hear those tales from the front lines because the idea of even doing what he does, which is I think most of what he does is roll around giving these talks on how to get out of traffic tickets and stuff like that.
And Harry Brown, of course, used to make a lot of money or make some of his money by going around and talking about investment stuff too.
But I don't know.
Maybe I burned out on business travel too much when I was younger, but I sure would hate to do that kind of stuff.
Yeah, that would be boring for me.
Oh, yeah. You know, the horrible thing is, too, it's the sleep deprivation, you know, because the flights are all over to some ungodly hour, right?
And you always get into the hotel late, and, well, it's all that stuff I described in Togo.
And, you know, it's all that work.
It's like two days of travel, and for like an hour of conference or whatever, it just sucks.
I mean, you're isolated and you're surrounded by people who basically just all they're interested in is how you can get them out of your traffic tickets, right?
They're not very...
Those sorts of folks can't be very interesting to talk to, if you know what I mean.
No, but they're usually interested in talking to you, which is the problem, right?
Yeah. Let's take you for dinner.
Can we not? Oh, look, I have to go deal with this.
Right. Feed dinner for a sales bitch.
Well, that was always when I would go to do presentations to IT groups.
Of course, these were always, you know, pale albino IT trolls who were barely let out of the basement, right?
And so I'd sort of come in in a suit and so on, right?
And they'd be like, They sort of, uh, can we go out for dinner?
Uh, can we leave the building?
Uh. So we'd sort of get shuffling off, right?
I'd sort of herd them off in this shuffling droning thing, you know, and they'd wedge their buttocks into these little chairs and have a meal and they'd have no conversation skills, but they'd just be staring balefully up just...
Vaguely happy to be out of a building, and that was the hottest part in some ways that the sales stuff was short.
Oh my god, it's portnoy.
I'm sorry, it's like my old boss.
He was the one IT guy that you always talk about.
He has to be there, and he has to make snide remarks and try to catch you out, just to justify his salary.
It's the only time they can ever have an attractive person be nice to them.
Yeah, we used to have those at MD Anderson.
I don't know how we appeared to them, but I'm scared to find out.
Why didn't you write this in PHP? I'm sorry, Ash.
Are you still on? We'll come back to this topic later.
You're going to wind up with a letter bomb on your doorstep, mister.
A letter bomb written in PHP. No, but that's exactly, your description of these IT conferences is exactly, that's exactly right.
I always had the shittiest software on the block, too.
Like, I always had the crappy, I mean, sorry, the software, the code was good, the software was good, but...
We did it in Access, right, for the first three years.
So, I mean, you try and go to one of these places where it's like, you know, we run Oracle the size of Jupiter, you know.
You can come down and touch these machines and they'll shake the chest hair right off your chest with their power, right?
And it's like... Oh, we just need a 286 with an access database, and this is a long course.
Yeah, and all those trolls are rolling their eyes and whispering to themselves while you're trying to give your...
Yeah, I've been there.
I've been there. It's like, well, you know, there are only three users.
So, anyway, sorry. Only I was one of those guys in the audience, rolling his eyes and whispering to the dude next to him.
But then I'd say, look, look, look.
I have a history degree.
So, what do you know about the Battle of Edge in court, huh?
Huh? I'm sure Charlotte does.
Yeah, I just wanted to speak up for the fact that history degrees are absolutely fucking useless.
Just, you know, thought I'd mention that.
Tell JC also.
Unless you have this freaky alien ability to talk to people on YouTube and find the history lectures interesting, I completely agree.
You can do that, Charlotte.
I can talk to people on YouTube about, like, history, please.
What happened to Conrad of Montferrat?
The untold story.
No. I love those shows.
You don't even know who Conrad of Montferrat was.
That's why he loves those shows.
Hey, that's where I learned about the Battle of Agincourt.
I don't even know what that is.
Does that have to do with you, Ash?
Nate, it is such a good thing that you're so pretty.
That's where the British kicked French ass with arrows.
Nate, Nate, seriously, take my suggestion.
Don't worry so much with the reading.
Just keep working with the brill cream and, you know, the Botox.
Just keep yourself pretty. You know, that's what you bring into the table is hunky man meat.
And I'd really focus on that because I think that other ship may have sailed.
Are you going by my dream the other day?
I quite concur, Steph.
Don't you borrow your pretty little head.
You just go to the gym again, honey.
Wow. See, this is the kind of great advice that you rely on Steph to dispense to you.
This is a riff.
This is a riff. Right up there with do I poo or do I pee?
You know, that's interesting because that actually was the first draft of the Clash song.
What? Do I coo or do I pee?
Oh, do I stay or do I go?
Okay. Lots of repetitions, Nate.
Heavy weights. Sorry, go on.
Leave me alone.
What was that $5 book, Greg?
Something about how to get hot women to go to bed with you?
Oh yeah, I was looking at those Audible.com books and reading the ones, you know, Steph, the one I linked earlier?
The $5 Audible books, and one of them was like, God, what was it called?
It's like the masterful secret, how to get beautiful women into bed with you or something.
Can I just tell you what I think that book actually says?
It would be the shortest audiobook in history, and it's like, if you're listening to this on an iPod, and you know how to download it and transfer it to an iPod, you will never get a hot woman in your bed.
Thank you for listening to this.
But think happy thoughts.
The closest hot woman you've got is I'm just going to bring out Cindy the sock puppet and talk in a high voice for a bit and you can just go to town.
Actually, I did spend my $5 on that.
No, not on that. Greg, is there anything that you need to tell us, sweetie?
No, no, no. I bought actually the book that Malcolm Gladwell used as a reference for Blink or something like that.
Or maybe the audiobook goes something like this.
If it's important for you to get an audiobook for only $5, you will never get a hot woman in your bed.
If this is a big deal to you.
I guess I'm not I'm thinking you maybe don't have a Lamborghini in the front yard if this book came to you through Linux you will never get a hot woman in your brain laughter laughter laughter If you clicked on this link immediately when you read this.
You have been pre-disqualified.
If you actually had some hope that reading a book would get a hot woman into bed with you.
So sorry.
The whole book just makes fun of you for reading it.
It's too much work to actually turn the pages.
The mystery method, how to get beautiful women into bed.
It's actually seven hours long.
Wow. That's a lot of berating.
So, the mystery method, it's either the method will be a mystery to you by the end or you have to dress like James Bond or something.
Okay, here are some of the tips that are given.
Steph, you might want to keep this for the sequel for RTR because I think this could help you.
Absolutely. Give more attention.
Oh my god. Give more attention to her less attractive friend at first, so your target will get jealous and try to win your attention.
Oh, that'll win a charming woman.
Wow. Play off their insecurities.
You want to get the stupidest, most insecure bitch you can lay your hands on, otherwise she wouldn't get into your bed.
I can't... Oh my gosh.
This is in a book?
It's in a lot of books, Greg.
Yeah. It's not a lot of movies.
It's not a lot of porn, too.
What else do they say? Keep them coming.
Keep them coming. I think that if you do that, you don't need the book.
That's what it says. Smile.
Guys who don't get laid, don't smile.
Guys who don't get laid, don't smile.
Guys who don't get laid, don't smile. Guys, so they're basically saying smile and you'll get laid.
One thing is, and for God's sake, don't ever stop smiling.
Even through the sexual act.
Don't stop smiling.
Even if the wind is whistling through your teeth, don't stop smiling.
Always approach a target within three seconds of noticing her.
And don't blink either.
A target? A target?
You look like the Joker from Batman.
Just do it.
Stop.
Don't correct me, friend.
Oh, my God.
Hi, how are you? - No!
Hope your name doesn't have a lot of consonants because you're smiling the whole time.
So you've spotted this woman within three seconds and what do you do with her?
Oh, you approach her within three seconds that you notice her, because if a woman senses your hesitation, her perception of your value will be lower.
Okay, so you have to be a precipitate asshole looking for an insecure woman.
The asshole smiles all the time.
Hey, what's up?
How you doing? How the hell can I get me one of those?
My god! And if you see her heading towards an elevator or a revolving door, don't let that stop you.
You've got three seconds.
Go! Better yet, trap her in said elevator or revolving door.
It's probably the closest you're going to get.
And remember, when you've got her trapped, never stop smiling.
Yeah. I need a new lampshade!
Okay, there's one more that they give for me.
I've got something to show you!
It will rub the lotion on its neck!
Oh my god.
There's one more that they give for free, but I guess you have to buy the book for the rest of the time.
Oh boy. I'm gonna buy it.
Just hilarity. Don't be picky.
Approach as many groups of people in a bar as you can and entertain them with fun conversation as you move about the room.
Positive perception of you will grow.
Now it's easy to meet anyone you want.
Well, one thing I will say is that that does follow logically from the rest of the absolutely stupid tits.
Well, if we just work at this mathematically, right?
So let's say that there are 20 women in a bar and you have to approach each of them within three seconds.
And I'm guessing with the constant smiling and no blinking, which I added, probably will take about another three seconds for you to get rejected.
Amazing. So pretty much you can work a whole room in, what is that, two minutes?
Try not to let the accumulating mace slow you down.
I feel like that guy with the pointing fingers in the shape of a gun, right?
Hey, hey, hey.
How about you? How's it going?
Oh my god! When I was, I guess I was about, I don't know, 16 or 17, and I was aiming at the title of Ladies Man.
And I read some book about, or some article about, you know, do sexy things with yourself.
Sexy things with yourself.
What does that mean to a 16-year-old guy?
What does that mean to a 41 year old guy?
Anyway. So what I did was, I was sitting across from this girl at a party and I was just trying to get her interested in me.
So I was stroking my own thigh and licking my own lips.
That is so sexy Steph.
I'm so hot for that.
Basically I was just chafed and glistening.
You should write the editors of that book.
They need to add that as this.
What are you guys trying to get me to not reproduce?
Oh my god.
It's not pretty.
Yeah, that doesn't work unless you can actually lick your eyebrow.
Then I think it's okay, but just licking your lips doesn't really work.
Hey, yeah, if you can lick your eyebrow, that's quite a trick.
I'm sure you can get any hot woman in the world.
Oh, absolutely, yeah. Oh, yeah.
A little Ace Freely action going.
Ace Freely. You sound more like a circus clown than a human being.
There were times. There were times.
When I was 14, I had a girl at the swimming pool and went out on a date with her, and I had a hamster.
It doesn't sound like it's going where it's going, but I had a hamster who got loose, and he'd actually, the only pair of pants I had that was even remotely decent, I realized...
When I was on the bus going to meet her that the hamster had chewed a bunch of holes in my pants.
And this is long before holes in my pants were even remotely cool.
So I just remember sitting there trying to Like, contorting myself, just trying to lean on my legs or whatever so that she wouldn't see the holes in my pants.
And I don't know if she thought I had some sort of spinal injury or something because I just couldn't straighten up the whole time because I just needed the holes in my...
These are things that you think about at this age.
It's, like, absolutely crucial. Amazing.
I think he's just making this up.
No, it's true. It's absolutely true.
It's absolutely true.
Oh, man.
I had to...
Sorry, go ahead. Your capacity to humiliate yourself was pretty high.
The good thing is that...
I mean, when you get older, you just look back and laugh, right?
Because these things all seemed so crucial at the time.
I guess they were important then.
I mean, because I've got a podcast or video, like, what is it that people are going to love you for, right?
And so I've been sort of noting down some of these memories, not because I think I particularly want to talk about them on a YouTube video, but, you know, all the things that I've tried to get people to love me for in the past.
You know, like business success or, you know, ooh, look, I'm an artist.
I write books or I'm a poet or, you know, ooh, look, I'm an actor.
Like all these things that are completely irrelevant to actually being loved.
But, you know, ooh, I like to dance.
And so, you know, ooh, look, you can do X, Y, and Z.
And it's just sort of funny looking back and thinking about all the things that I contorted myself into to try and be attractive, none of which were fundamentally attractive.
It's just looking from the outside in, looking back.
It's just kind of funny.
I mean, that's all you know, right?
I mean, all you know is how can I try and be attractive to someone, you know, because there's always a better-looking person around.
There's always a person who's got more money or dresses better or, you know, whatever, right?
So how is it that I'm going to stand out and just do all these ridiculous things to try and stand out?
And I was just sort of thinking about this stuff this last week because I'm sort of trying to lay down some of the framework for this podcast.
So if there's any curiosity, that's what's on my mind.
A nice preview there.
Yeah, yeah. This is not stuff that's going in there because...
That's the kind of stuff that's funny in conversation, but if you put it in a video, it just isn't, right?
I mean, in my mind, right?
That's all surface stuff, too, right?
It is, yeah. It is all surface stuff, right?
None of it was around, I'm going to be a good person, right?
Well, that's what I kind of concluded from that dream I had.
I don't know if anybody read that, but I was only trained to...
Because if I put myself forward as somebody that was a good person, then...
Then I just got attacked, or I got belittled, or just made fun of.
So I had to look.
My only option was I was always trotted out as the good-looking one of the bunch.
So that's all I had.
And so I had to walk around looking good.
And everything was about looking good.
And that was it.
Yeah, that's the same thing that Ricky had too, right?
Because, I mean, he and his sister are attractive people as well, right?
So that's what they had, right?
That was their thing, right?
And it's like, well, what's the thing that you're bringing that people are going to love you for?
It's just something that I've sort of been mulling over about a way to communicate.
That's sort of why this stuff was popping around in my brain.
Yeah, me and Charlotte were talking about that.
It's like there's nothing to trot forth.
I had that dream about my boss, you know, just sniffing my neck.
She was just going, mmm, she mentioned some chemical.
It says, well, you're a genius. And I'm like, is this because I smell good?
You smell like brains, right?
It was a very odd dream, but it was a...
It's very, very odd. And I felt that the guy next to me, who strangely looked like Greg, I don't know why, but I felt embarrassed to see that because it was just obvious that the only reason my boss had hired me was because I was good looking.
That was my perception in the dream.
Right.
It was just like, I have nothing to offer.
So this guy sitting next to you, is he a candidate too?
Thank you.
A what? This was like job interviews, right?
No, no, no. The dream was like my everyday work environment.
Except everything was kind of toned down and dim in the office.
And in each office there were beds.
So it was kind of weird that way.
And there was a surprise party, and then I just toted the...
I walked around with this printer manual that was full of printer alignment pages from a desk jet that I was supposed to Xerox and return to her, but I never returned to it.
My only sign of productivity was that I was returning her printer alignment page book.
You know, it was just so...
Desperate for trying to feel like I'm of value there.
And you play Dungeons& Dragons, right?
No. I play World of Warcraft or something.
Just because the conversation that we have here is that Value and love is virtue, and alignment, just the word reminded me of the alignment word that is used in Dungeons& Dragons.
I don't know anything about Warcraft, but which is your moral attributes.
Right, right, right. Good, evil.
Lawful. Yeah, lawful good, evil good.
Yeah, I do.
I have played a lot of those types of games.
I wonder if alignment had anything to do with it.
Well, that's just what I thought.
I don't know because I don't know the dream, but that was just the association that popped into my head.
Yeah, what came to my head was that printer alignment pages are just so useless and pointless that, you know, why would I be Xeroxing those?
Why would I need to Xerox them and return this book to her?
It just seems like such a pointless job, you know?
But, I mean, virtue is futile for most relationships, right?
I mean, that's what we've been sort of...
I mean, printer alignment, so to speak, is useless, and you just toss them out and so on, but that's how most people view virtue as well, I think.
And it's a negative.
It's a net negative overall.
Oh, right. Yeah. I mean, everybody that we talk to in this conversation, they hate us because we're good, right?
I mean, if we just shut up and went back to being, you know, the slaves, then they'd be all fine with us, right?
Anyway, I shouldn't talk because I don't know the dream, but that was just sort of what I was thinking.
Yeah, I think we hashed it out quite a bit, just as far as my Mr.
Productivity goes. A desire to be productive, but not feeling I have any value.
So I think there's two voices in play, this little...
I got this metaphor of...
I don't know if you've seen Star Trek II... Kahn?
Yes, Kahn. You know how they stick the little bugs in their ears?
It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I believe you.
I tried it to be where Chekhov gets the worm in his ear.
Right. Right, and it controls their thoughts, and any time they try and tell them what's really going on, it starts to give them pain.
So it's like my parents stuck this thing in my ear, and I'm not allowed to tell the truth.
Right. It's kind of like this thing is torturing me every time I try and think anything good of myself or anything true or anything that might not benefit them.
Right. Now, just out of curiosity, Nate, when you think of this stuff, the struggles that you have around trying to find a more positive self-image and so on and Do you feel that, because this is a sense that I get, which is just my opinion, doesn't mean anything, but do you feel that you are trying to catch up with the rest of humanity, or do you feel like you're breaking new ground forward for humanity?
At this point, I feel like I'm breaking new ground, except that I feel like I'm trying to keep up with everybody here in this conversation.
Okay, good, good. Because I know that sometimes I get the sense that you get frustrated with yourself and you feel like you're broken, right?
That's the story, yes, that I'm...
That's...
I think fundamentally what...
I wasn't ever explicitly told that I was stupid, worthless, and broken, but that I was...
Told that through actions like treating me badly, never being able to get the kind of ego inflation that they gave my brothers, never being able to meet this impossible standard.
Not really a standard, but...
Well, you realize that the ego inflation was as bad, if not worse, right?
Right, I realize how that hurt them, but I also realize that this is where this impossible thing comes from.
Like in the dream, I was pissed off that I could, I felt hopeless and worthless that I couldn't fly just to impress my coworkers.
You know, that I couldn't fly around like Superman or couldn't do the impossible.
Right. And isn't that amazing, too, that we want, like, what is going to make us special in our mind's eye is that we can define the laws of physics, right?
I mean, it's that crazed, the desire for attention and for love, right?
I mean, this is what comic books are all about, you know?
Like, if I can fly, or if I, you know, have cool utility belts and a gay companion, or I don't know, like, I mean, If I have all these things, then I can stand out and be a great guy and people will love me.
God, it's so sad.
When you think about it deep down, it's like...
There's so much that's missing there.
And I loved the Superman movies when I was a kid.
I mean, the first one or two, I thought, well, great.
And I wanted all of that in the same way that, you know, people want, like, the Luke Skywalker thing.
You know, like, they're just some person in the middle of nowhere drinking blue milk and repairing farm robots.
And then out of nowhere comes this amazing destiny that, you know, like, that they're actually the son of what is also and they're the chosen one and this and that.
That it's just going to come to them and that's what makes them special.
And that to me just seems like really it's like an outgrowth of depression.
For sure. It's an outgrowth of complete and total feelings of worthlessness and uselessness.
Yeah, like if I can get bitten by a radioactive spider I'll be special, right?
Right, right.
If only. And that's been my dream ever since I was six.
Right. I think I was six.
Just to have that sort of power.
And I think with power, it was like...
Are you there?
Yeah. I think it was like efficacy as far as power.
I mean, just like a metaphor for efficacy.
Efficacy? What do you mean? Like, I had no traction with anybody or anything around me.
I had no power. I was completely helpless.
But isn't it more value than efficacy?
I mean, I'm just trying to understand.
To me, it comes across as value, though.
Of course, it may be something completely different.
Well, I associate efficacy with value because, like, at work, I want to be the...
I have this struggle against myself at work where I want to be this guy who knows enough to really impress people because that's what I used to do all the time with IT. I would impress all the bosses and all the VPs and Fix all their problems and know everything about the environment, know everybody, know everybody's name, have all the contacts, and now this coworker of mine has all that.
He's me, like, several years ago.
And he's younger than me, too.
And I can tell he's a little insecure about the whole trying to master his domain and, you know...
And I don't think he's really – there are times where he tries to withhold the information, but I don't know if this – I was thinking about whether I should take this to the boss or not, whether I should come up with this cost-benefit analysis or not,
because I don't know if half of it is me just trying to avoid abuse or if I'm just sort of – Avoiding self-abuse mainly, because whenever I go to this guy and I'm like, well, this is a weird problem.
I haven't seen this before. And he said, well, did you try this?
And I'm like, no, I didn't.
I don't know why I didn't try that.
And then I just feel stupid and I walk away.
Well, I mean, my experience has been that when I do a bad job, it's because I don't want to be there.
That could be part of it.
But I don't know what else I'd want to do.
I guess maybe a month or two before I left my last job...
The CEO asked me to do a market analysis of X, Y, and Z, and he gave me like six million things to do, and he gave me like a day to do it, right?
And I was like, well, I could work late, or this or that, or...
I didn't feel like it.
I didn't want to go to him and say, well, step me through what it is that you want because I'm an IT guy, not a marketing guy.
At least my marketing stuff has been mostly sales.
What do I know about how to do a full in-depth market analysis of the manufacturing sector worldwide?
Give me a clue, right?
And I didn't want to work late, and I didn't want to go and ask him how to do it, so I put together a metaphor and a slide presentation that I was fairly pleased with, and I ran it past one or two people, and they said, yeah, it seems good or whatever, right?
And so I did it, and it just sank like a stone, right?
And it's just getting those thousand-yard stares, right?
People just hated it, right?
And that had never happened for me before in my entire career.
This had never happened to me before, and Again, this is just my experience.
It may be a perspective that's helpful.
But that's what really helped me realize that it was time for FDR, right?
And whatever that means for me, meant for me.
But it may not be that you're trying to put yourself down.
You just might not want to be there anymore.
You might just not care, right?
And we all have this familiar thing where if we don't care about something and we kind of make ourselves do it, we immediately get passive-aggressive, slave-y, we lose focus, we lose this kind of stuff, right?
Oh, that was certainly true for me.
Yeah, didn't you just kind of say, you know what, I just don't care about this stuff anymore?
Yeah. Yeah, I get that way.
I don't know what I care about.
I mean, I know I make a lot of money.
Sorry, Nate, the thing you immediately go into is, ah, but what if, right?
But you've got to, got to, got to, got to, got to get used to the RTR, right?
I wonder why.
I wonder why, or I wonder if that is the case.
And if it is the case, I wonder why.
Because as we were talking about recently, if you think that a feeling has to be followed by an action, then you'll just repress your feelings in order to control it.
So if you say, well, the moment I admit to myself that I don't want to be here, I have to quit and live under a bridge, right?
That's not good, right?
Because then you can't explore yourself because the stakes are too high, right?
Ash and Charlotte want back in.
Oh, now they want back in.
Sorry about that.
And that's how we can really try our best to help things work between Charlotte and Ash.
That was funny about Ash.
I'm not interested in anyone else.
The problem, I mean, this is where this thing that for me, of course, at least just started with yelling at what people hoped was a cell phone in my car.
The richness and depth of one's inner life, particularly with the RTR and also with the MECO system, right?
The depth and interest of your inner life and the joys of philosophy, I mean, material goods, material, they just become less important.
Right, but the money that it takes to sustain all that I've Have, I guess.
Well, but you're pouring water into a hole with a bucket, right?
Because you waste a lot of money.
Yeah, I do. I mean, this is by your report, right?
I mean, this is what you say, right?
Right. And you could live on very...
I'm not saying you should, right?
But you could live on very little.
I could, but I couldn't get that new Mac.
Well, that's certainly true, for sure.
That's certainly true. But the important thing is just to look at, you know, because you're going to either invent a story as to why you may not be doing as well at work, or you're going to find the truth, right?
The option of having no thesis doesn't exist, because we are pattern-making machines, right?
We're going to make up something. And I'm making up a story that I'm avoiding self-abuse because I really like the job, but I... I'm afraid of looking bad.
Yeah, I mean, there's this younger guy, and I used to be like that, and he tells me to do stuff, which I haven't thought of.
But when you're not paying attention...
It's most often because you're not that interested, right?
I mean, don't you all remember that time, those times in the class that the teacher's droning on about some stuff you could care less about, and you're looking out the window and imagine flying through the trees and stuff, right?
And it's because you don't care about it.
I mean, that's a place, it's a possibility, right?
It sure fits the picture, because I go to these meetings and they're talking on and on about stuff that I would have been really...
would have chimed in on and all that stuff, and it's just like, please, when is this going to end?
Yeah. We have to trust your emotions there.
I mean, I know I don't want to do Phantom forever, and I used to get really...
I'm pissed off. What am I doing here?
But I need the money in that impossible place.
Now I'm just starting to trust myself.
I say, I'll trust my future self.
I might quit tomorrow.
I might quit a year from now.
But in the meantime, yeah, great.
I'll get the paycheck. You're thinking of moving and changing your life.
You're starting to ease out of your present life.
That's true. I am thinking of escape routes.
You have to trust your future self that you'll find a way to do what you need to do when the motivation to quit your job or to do something else comes.
Right. Yeah, if we made it through our childhoods and came out functional, there's nothing in the future that's going to be worse or scarier or more difficult, right?
I mean, if we could do all of that and come out and be functional people with jobs and relationships and this and that, right?
I mean, man, if we could do that when we were 6 and 7 and 5 and 10 years old, I mean, we can surely trust ourselves now, right?
At this point, yeah, I guess so.
I mean, you didn't plan to get out of your childhood and get into philosophy and change your life and become a successful IT guy and so on, right?
No, none of that was planned.
No, and yet you pulled it off, right?
Like, we survived and flourished out of dismal and brutal and repressive childhoods without having any clue what we were doing, right?
Right. I didn't plan to learn how to walk or talk or hit puberty or anything.
It just happens, right? Well, most of it was just following orders.
Well, that's true, Greg, but you retained a part of you that existed independently of those orders, unlike your brothers, right?
Oh, for sure. For sure.
And you didn't plan that, and you probably hated it half the time, if not more, right?
You're like, geez, why can't it be like everybody else?
Yeah. Yeah, that's my brother's.
The invisible Apple thing.
Yeah, but that's why the future can be a little bit less scary, right?
Right, like if you've just outskied the avalanche, walking down the street can't be that scary, right?
It doesn't seem like walking...
When I look from here, it doesn't seem like walking down the street.
It seems like dropping everything and just...
Well, but that's a ghost story that you're telling yourself, right?
The ghost story that you're telling yourself is everything that you would give up that is familiar, right?
Right. But that's a – it's like there's an economist who writes pretty scathingly of someone who was saying, you know, well, you shouldn't invest in real estate because if you take all of that money and you invest it in the stock market, you will get five times the income and this and that.
And he's like, oh, these people drive me nuts because this guy is saying, well, you take all of this money and you put it into stocks and you get five times the income than you will out of a house.
And it's like, yeah, but you don't get the house.
Right? So all you're doing is looking at the pluses of one side and then you say, well, how much of that money do I have to take out to pay for housing?
Well, looks like it ends up being about the same, right?
Try it in rent. Yeah, so rent or not having the house as an asset to sell later.
Yeah, whatever, right? I mean...
The pleasure of home ownership, which is important as well, right?
That you can actually not just shuffle around from place to place hoping they don't raise your rent and stuff.
You actually get a home that you can do whatever you want to and you can put additions in and rent the basement, whatever, right?
But he's just saying, well, yeah, if you look at all the pluses of one side and all of the minuses of another, it looks like an easy decision.
But economics like life is never that easy because it's a mixture of pluses and minuses, right?
So... If you just say, well, if I admit that I'm bored, I've got to quit my job, and I've got to, I don't know, live as a street mime or something, and it's going to be like, well, shit, I don't want to admit that I'm bored, because then I'm doomed, right?
Right. Right, but if you say, well, I don't know what's coming next, but I know that I don't want to be doing this for the next 40 years, right?
No, I don't want to be doing this for the next 40 years.
Right. So, and that's just the knowledge.
It doesn't mean you have to do anything, right?
Other than just mull over that knowledge, keep your eyes peeled for opportunities, think outside, think of what you might do if you won the lottery and, you know, but you don't have to do anything, right?
But you just have to accept that part of you that says, get me out.
Right. Doesn't mean you have to obey it, right?
The whole point of the Miko system is not that we turn our voices into our parents, right?
But everyone gets a seat at the table, including the guy who wants it.
There to be no table was the way that ended.
Unfortunately, the recording ceased, but I thought this was an interesting snippet of conversation to share with you, so I hope that you enjoyed it.
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