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Oct. 24, 2006 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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475 Emotional Defenses (Part 2)
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Good afternoon, everybody. Hope you're doing well.
It's deaf. Look, I got a haircut.
I decided to go with a radically different look for myself, and I've decided to go with shorter and shinier.
And I think it looks all right.
Good to know. So I hope you're doing most excellently.
It's time to continue on with our chat about...
Defenses. And I promise to not try and co-join some of the stuff that I've been listening to in terms of REC and to focus a little bit more on the actual defenses themselves and not to freak you out with personal stories of my own family.
How's that? For a kind host to a Carbound show.
I'm actually looking forward to the time and I think that it will be.
I just noticed and got a message from somebody who's on YouTube, and he is a freedom guy.
He's from the Freedom Party. He's also doing a show in his car on freedom, which I think is excellent, and I certainly applaud him for that.
And I'm actually looking forward to the day when, on the insurance claim, you know how they say, well, not insurance claim, not insurance claims for car stuff, but, you know, when you go to get your insurance, your car insurance, they say, you know, do you...
Do you work more than sort of 20 miles away from where you live?
What's the length of your commute and so on?
All the stuff that nobody tells the truth about.
And I just can't wait for the day when the checkbox is going to be on your application, wherein it says, do you actually run a libertarian show from your car?
Right in the checkbox, I'm sure, will add at least a point or two to your insurance rates.
But so far, we haven't had to talk about that on our insurance claims, but soon, with any luck.
Anyway, so it's all right, because by the time that rolls around, the state will be small enough that we won't have to worry about the cost of insurance anymore.
So let's keep plowing along.
With our merry tour through the magic world of defenses.
And we will continue on.
These are sort of the less sort of catastrophic defenses that occur within personalities.
And you can look up within yourself and you can also look at those around you and have some sort of understanding of what's going on with these kinds of things.
Level two defenses.
The people who are level 2 defenses, as this guy says, and I think it's fairly accurate, socially undesirable, immature, difficult, and out of touch.
These are considered immature defenses almost always lead to serious problems in a person's ability to cope with the world.
These defenses are seen in severe depression, personality disorders, and adolescence.
I love how you throw adolescence into all of these other major things, you know?
And so here, of course, we have fantasy.
A tendency to retreat into fantasy in order to resolve inner and outer conflicts.
This is the sort of daydreamer, right?
We all know these people, and I certainly was one of these people, one of these types when I was younger.
And these are the people who, you know, Dungeons& Dragons, they're sort of the pencil-neck scrawny pimply kid, and then they end up in the Dungeons& Dragons world, being the sort of noble heroic knight.
This is, if you've ever read a short story called The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, which I think was turned into a movie as well.
This is a guy who's henpecked by his wife on a shopping trip, and he imagines he's like a pilot and a surgeon and all these sort of exciting things.
And... This is somebody who has...
If you've seen the movie Office Space, there's the guy who never says anything to anyone when they move him from office to office and finally plunk him down in the basement, but he eventually, I guess, sets fire.
But this is somebody highly repressed who probably lives in a kind of fantasy world of vengeance, which he then unfortunately puts into practice.
But... These are the people who will see them in meetings and picture themselves sort of, you know, doing damage or doing harm or imagining that they're more heroic than they are.
So in conflict situations, they can't express themselves, and so they retreat into fantasy.
And here is a projection.
Projection is a very, very complex one, and I'm not going to spend an enormous amount of time, and I touched on it this morning.
It says here, projection, attributing one's own unacknowledged feelings to others, including severe prejudice, severe jealousy, hypervigilance, to external danger, and injustice collecting.
Remember that projection is a primitive form of paranoia, so it is common in today's world.
And that's certainly very true.
Attributing one's own unacknowledged feelings to others.
This is very true in parenting, right?
So all of the corruption and real honest-to-goodness morally reprehensible selfishness and so on that parents display by using false arguments for morality to bully their children rather than admit that they don't know and working together to figure out some way of coming to common agreements about things.
This is, of course, a kind of corruption and a kind of selfishness and a kind of just absolutely abysmal way of dealing with people.
And what happens is then the parents project that onto their children.
And, you know, the stereotypical, the guy who is the drill sergeant, you maggots, this kind of guy, right?
The guy I didn't get great kudos for imitating in my podcast on...
Full disclosure, when I was the military guy, people like to teach her, so I guess I'm better at being petulant and whiny than aggressive and controlling, which is probably not a bad thing.
I'd rather choose the former than the latter if I had a trait to reproduce.
But this kind of drill sergeant, right?
I mean, the drill sergeant paradigm where there's a complete contempt for weakness and, you know, obviously, at least I think, highly repressed as homosexuality and, you know, he calls, come on, ladies, you know, in these hyper-masculine situations.
Are you ladies ready to go?
There's this constant diminishment of masculinity and a constant denigration of others.
What occurs in terms of projection is that this contempt for the other is really contempt for the self that can't be acknowledged.
This is somebody who was when they were young.
We're all vulnerable when we're young.
Everybody's relationship to vulnerability is directly their relationship to their childhood.
This is how this sort of stuff reproduces.
We're born vulnerable.
We're born helpless. We're born mewling and needy and hungry.
And we can't survive 20 minutes without somebody's help.
So invulnerability...
In adulthood, our relationship to vulnerability is our relationship to our own childhoods, right?
So when a drill sergeant gets a hold of people...
Oh, I just looked at the video screen here.
I'm apparently going through Picasso's blue period in my podcast look.
But when these people get in front of other people, these sort of drill sergeant types, they have extraordinary deep feelings of vulnerability which they can't acknowledge because that would make them less tough and it would also expose them to all the pain of their own childhoods and so on.
And so, of course, what they do is they project all of this vulnerability and weakness and so on on other people.
And this sort of projection is a very, very powerful, powerful situation.
So all of the things which we can't acknowledge within ourselves, and this is very much the case when we think about this podcast that I had last week on getting in touch with your dark side, And one of my listeners on Sunday asked if there's a way I could do a podcast for him to help get in touch with his light side.
You know, perhaps.
But... the unacknowledged feelings that we have so the fear and the terror that Americans have with regards to their own capacity to support evil they then project onto the Muslims and the Muslims who have their own horrors and the Muslims have a desire to sort of be free and be liberal and not be under the lash of authoritative and despotic theocracies So they project all of this yearning desire for freedom onto Americans,
which must be crushed, and the Americans project all of their own capacity for violence against those who are different, violence against those who are different, onto the Muslims, and this is how You know, lots and lots and lots of people tend to get killed.
So the unacknowledged feelings that we have, we will always project, we've got to find a home somewhere because they're real, right?
I mean, you can't fight reality within yourself or beyond or outside yourself.
I mean, you can certainly fight it all you want, but you will never, ever be successful in your life based on attacking and fighting reality.
You will not gain... Peace of mind or self-acceptance or love or virtue or kindness, happiness and so on.
Simply because we're designed to process reality.
We are reality processing machines with free will.
And so you can fight reality, but you will never be successful.
And so if you have feelings, we all have the capacity to do harm.
We all have the capacity to...
To do great evil and to conform and to survive and do whatever it takes to feed our families and ourselves and so on.
And if we don't acknowledge these things, then we simply have to project.
We have to reimagine that we're perfect and other people are evil.
And together maybe we make a whole personality, but that's never really how it occurs.
Sorry about that.
Next up, we have hypochondriasis.
Now, hypochondriasis is sometimes called the woman's disease, and this is of course based on the invisibility of women's abuse towards children.
But this is the idea that when a man gets angry, he lashes out.
He acts out his anger.
And when a woman gets angry, she internalizes her anger and gets depressed and so on.
It's because people don't remember their own mothers, I guess.
And again, I'm not saying every mother is like my mother.
I have to put these caveats in from time to time.
Because people still get the impression that I'm dealing with my own childhood by doing the podcast, and that's not true.
That's what the videocasts are for.
Oh, wait. But there is an enormous amount of corruption that goes on between mother to child.
We know about the one from father to child a lot more visibly, so...
You don't have to have a mom like my mom to have gone through extraordinary degrees of corruption.
If you had religious instruction or social conformity or were taught any kind of moral rules and your mother's not some genius philosopher, then, yeah, you were just sort of bullied around and argued with and crushed with false arguments for morality, and that's very corrupt.
And the degree of blame you place on your mother for that and your father for that is up to you.
I would suggest that it would be quite high, but that could just be me.
So in this sort of traditional realm, men act out and they act out either through addiction or violence or abuse or smashing their fists into walls and so on.
But women, they fold into themselves like gentle little flowers and they fade away and they become depressed and so on, right?
As if women are not evil snakes in the same way that men are, or have the capacity to be evil snakes in the way that men do.
This is how little we respect women, that we won't even grant them the honor of having a capacity for great evil, just as men do.
Women fold in on themselves and they become depressed and then they take to bed with little headaches and the vapors.
This idea that women have defense mechanisms called feeling unwell, getting cramps, having a headache, having a stomach upset, being so stressed that their hands flutter and this hypochondriasis, I do associate with women A hell of a lot more than men.
And I actually got an email. Christina got an email from a friend of hers who's a woman who was saying, you know, differences.
Well, what makes a man a man?
It's like a man actually takes a day off work because he's really sick rather than just, you know, personal big care.
Mental health day combined with a mild headache.
So, this other kind of defense is, you know, you know your mom has a bad back, and she's a martyr, but everyone has to kind of find ways around her particular way of doing things.
And I had a girlfriend whose mother was like this, and she wouldn't drive, right?
She wouldn't drive. And so she was just too afraid of the roads, or there was some problem with the roads, or when she came to Canada it was the winter, and she didn't drive in the winter because she didn't know how, and then she lost the habit.
So basically, of course, everyone had to drive her around, right?
So this fear of hers, this sort of hypochondriasis, this neurasthenia almost, caused the family to, you know, and then it became an unspoken, like then it became cruel, To point it out.
And it's in a very effective defense to have something wrong with you.
No more caveats, right?
You can take these perspectives in terms of my judgment of me, however you will.
But it's very convenient and it's very...
To confront somebody with hypochondriasis is a very, very challenging thing.
Because it is an absolutely heinous...
Moral crime to undermine and exploit people based on their desire to be nice, right?
It's like, you know, the others have in these movies or these TV shows where somebody wants to get somebody else to stop in a car and so they pretend that their car is broken down and so the other guy stops and then they jump him or whatever, right? Let's turn on the advanced lighting system here.
Ooh, pyrotechnics. And so it's really bad to exploit somebody based on their desire to do you good, right?
And you always see this sort of thing in movies.
And so the natural sympathy that we have for people with genuine ailments, to exploit that for your own selfish advantage and for your own avoidance mechanisms for anything difficult or unpleasant, is really heinous, right?
Okay, one more family story since you keep insisting.
Voices in my head.
My mother, a complete hypochondriac.
And always something wrong with her and never her fault.
And always something that was done unto her by the evil doctors.
And I did what I could.
I mean, I went through this illusion, right, when I was a kid that I could change my mom and help my mom and so on.
That's part of what got me interested in psychology.
And so one day we're in a pizza hut.
I must have been 20 or so.
And I said to my mom something like, yeah, I get that you're sick.
And I really do sympathize with that.
But being sick causes a lot of stress.
It's very stressful to be sick.
So, I would suggest that you could read a book on stress management, right?
I mean, so I, you know, I was genuinely conceding that she was sick and genuinely saying that it was all real, though I didn't really believe it, but, you know, I thought, you know, baby steps, right?
So, I genuinely do believe and understand that you are sick, and I would like to, you know, offer you the possibility or the chance, or say that it would be a good idea, since you do have to deal with chronic illnesses, That it might be a good idea to read a book on stress management so you can deal with the stress of being oh so genuinely sick all the time, although it's a lot more believable when I said it, and she completely freaked out, threw cups around the restaurant, screamed and shrieked, and I just sort of get her out, right?
Because when you confront someone with the fact that they are preying upon your virtue, which is fundamentally what the argument for morality is all about, as I've mentioned before, but when you prey on somebody's virtue in order to control them, you really are turning...
You know, virtue into sin.
You are turning health into sickness.
You are exploiting someone not because of their greed.
Like a con man will exploit you because you're greedy or whatever, right?
And a greed could be considered a vice, so in a weird kind of way.
It's almost like a punishment for a vice, right?
But to be punished because you care for people who are unwell, that's totally heinous, right?
So confronting somebody on this is almost impossible.
At least I can't even imagine that it ever would be possible.
See, I'm taking the public roads because I know I need to check my reference materials from time to time.
We have passive-aggressive behavior.
Ah, passive-aggressive behavior.
This generally is the case.
I'm not going to go into this in great detail because I've mentioned this in a couple of podcasts, but...
Passive aggressive behavior is putting people in no-win situations in a very sort of sweet and nice way.
Passive aggressive behavior is, for instance, like we talked about this, I think, this morning, where the people who are defooing are actually going through this process where their parents are sending them these empty emails with, we love you, or how are you?
This is total passive-aggressive behavior.
I know I wasn't going to talk about it based on this morning, but just do a minute or two on it.
It's very fertile ground for the sweet sewer stench of corruption.
If you break with your mom and then she sends you these emails with no subject that says, we love you.
And you've given her all these reasons, right?
Like you did X, Y, and Z, and then she sends you we love you emails, right?
I mean, there's an enormous amount of compressed messages in all of that, all of which are passive-aggressive.
So she's not doing anything aggressive, right?
I mean, the language is she's telling you she loves you.
Surely that's a nice thing, that's a good thing, and you should be happy.
But when you say, you know, mom, I have trouble seeing you because you never listened to me and because there was all this violence when I was growing up or some sort of negative thing.
Then when she sends you an email and just says, I love you or we love you or we hope you're okay or there's anything we can do.
Well, you've already told her.
You've already told her what the issues are, and she is completely ignoring, and this is not just a she, because a gentleman, his father is doing the same thing.
She's completely ignoring everything that you brought up.
She says, Mom, you don't listen to me.
And then you have that blow-up or you have that conversation.
Hopefully it's not a blow-up. You have that conversation where you say, these are the issues that I have.
Mom, you don't listen to me.
And then you just get emails which have no content relative to what you've been talking about.
So she doesn't sit there and write to you and say, you know, I've really been thinking about that.
I don't listen to you. Here's some examples that I remember that I think might be indications of that.
Do they ring true to you? Like she's actually opening up a dialogue or responding to an initiation of a dialogue that you have brought into being.
Right? So that would be an example of not passive-aggressive behavior.
But a total fuck you behavior is to send you an email after you've said, I have these issues with our relationship, I have these problems with us as mother-son or mother-daughter, and then she just sends you a whole series of emails, one a week, with no content saying, we love you.
That's a total fuck you.
And that's a perfect example of passive-aggressive behavior.
If she wrote to you and said, you know, I'm really angry at what you brought up the other day, that would be, you know, kind of jerky, but at least honest.
You could at least deal with the issues.
But when someone gives you that sweetly smiling, butter-couldn't-melt-in-your-mouth kind of fuck-you wrapped in an I-love-you, you know, what can you do, right?
It's total passive-aggressive behavior.
She's angry. She can't handle...
Hang on. She can't handle her own dark side.
The fact that she's angry and the fact that she may have done these things, and probably I would say she did, but she at least has to get to the may-have, done these things that you have problems with her about.
And so she can't deal with any of this sort of stuff.
She's angry at you for bringing all this stuff up, but now she's in a court position, right?
Because if you say, you know, Mom, you're kind of selfish.
You've got a bad temper and you don't listen to me.
And then she gets angry, then she's kind of confirming the thesis.
Mom, you don't listen, you're selfish.
And then she gets really angry, you have a bad temper, and somebody gets really angry, then they've kind of lost the whole thing.
It's like, oh, what do you mean I yell?
This kind of thing. It's like, well, you're just yelling.
The logic there is pretty obvious, and women get that, right?
Sometimes in a way that men really, really don't.
Often men really, really don't.
And so women realize that they can't manifest the very behavior that you're criticizing them for, but they still feel angry.
So they can't have a non-angry response, because they are, in fact, angry.
If you can only speak English, you can't have an Esperanto response in what you're saying.
So, your mom's angry at you for pointing out that she's got a bad temper.
And she can't handle even examining the possibility that she might have a bad temper, so what does she do?
Well, she basically says, you're an asshole.
You're crazy. You're wrong.
And I'm superior to you.
I'm better than you. And this is the fuck you of Christian forgiveness, to be perfectly frank.
This is the pompous, self-aggrandizing mess that is, Christian, I forgive you.
I am superior to you. I forgive you.
And this is what you're getting in these kinds of communications.
This is what you get, particularly from moms.
Well, I love you.
I just love you.
I just want to know that you're okay.
Because she's so superior to you and you're so crazy and you're so wrong that she's demonstrating the exact opposite behavior but with no content.
So all of her anger then transfers to you and that's called passive aggression.
The anger gets expressed. It's just you get to feel it and then you feel like the bad-tempered one and she looks like the sweet one which throws you off even more.
It's totally manipulative, totally evil in a very fundamental way.
On the other side of things, acting out behavior.
This is direct. Direct expression of an unconscious wish or impulse to avoid being conscious of the emotion that accompanies it.
Right, so this is complicated.
I'm not sure exactly what this guy is talking about in detail, although I'll certainly tell you what I get from it, and maybe that will be of use or of help to you.
But somebody who is fearful...
Somebody who has a great fear will often react to a situation that makes him afraid with great anger.
So it's acting out behavior.
It's a hyper-reaction to the initial stimuli, a hyper-contrary reaction to the initial stimuli, which is designed to blot out of the person's consciousness the initial stimuli.
We can tie it all together.
When you confront the passive-aggressive hypochondriac person, when you confront the hypochondriac person, They feel great fear of being caught.
Now, if they allow themselves to consciously experience the fear of being caught in their manipulation, then they have to at some level say, I'm afraid.
Why am I afraid?
And of course, the logical answer as to why somebody who's hypochondriacal is afraid is because they are in fact hypochondriacal, right?
So that's why they're afraid.
So the fear, which is the first response when you confront somebody on their defenses, their first response is to be afraid.
Because they're afraid of getting caught.
And logically they can't process that fear.
I mean, logically, by the logic of the defense, right?
Because if they process that fear, they'll realize that what they're being accused of is true.
And so how do they avoid feeling that fear?
Well, they launch an attack.
And they get incredibly offended that you would even imagine such a thing and how cold and heartless can you be?
This is part of the passive aggression as well.
These are often interrelated, these defenses, right?
So, you know, when I sit down and say to my mom, Mom, I think you're hypochondriacal.
It's like, oh, she launches into the attack.
You've sided with the doctors.
Somebody got to you. You've sided with the insurance companies.
You don't care about me, about everything they've done to me.
I'm your mother. Bursts into tears, gets angry, screams, throw things, right?
Why?
Because she wants to not feel the fear of being caught.
And, okay, here's the example that popped into my mind.
When I walked up north as a strapping young man of 19, I was stuck in the woods for months, and yes, I did once or twice a day masturbate, and...
One morning, we were sort of in the tent with two other guys, and I was deep in my winter.
It was winter, right? So I was in my tent, and I was masturbating.
And I guess there's a rocking motion, right?
So one of the guys got up.
These were older men in their late 40s or whatever.
And he's like, oh, man, it felt like an earthquake this morning, right?
And I suddenly got what he meant, right?
Because, I don't know, our bunks had been touching or something like that, right?
So I got really angry, of course, because I felt like, oh shit, I've been caught.
And that kind of stuff is a defense mechanism, right?
And I felt really bad and, you know, kept my hands off myself for at least another, I don't know, hour or so.
Something like that. With several violated trees and I think one rather startled moose at this point in my life.
So, you can't process the feeling, or you don't want to process the feeling, because that was a shame and so on.
So, you come up with sort of elaborations.
The opposite reaction formation, it's also called, when it becomes a permanent thing, for sure.
So that's another very interesting acting out kind of behavior.
You sort of get angry or, you know, a man doesn't want to feel the pain of being dumped by his girlfriend, so he goes out and I think Dennis God, the comedian, no cure for cancer guy.
Dennis, not Quaid, not Miller.
Oh man, I know this too!
Dennis Leary, in the Thomas Crown Affair, he sits down and talks with some guy.
He says, oh, when I got dumped by my last girlfriend, you know, I went out and had sex with two women and got in three fights or something like that.
Oh, that's a classic example of acting out, right?
You don't want to have the emotions, and therefore you go on a rampage or a binge or you get addicted to someone, you go have a fight, or you take flight into fantasy or whatever, right?
The acting out behavior is when you create a specific action.
Sorry, the fantasy flight is internal.
The acting out behavior is when you just go barreling out And we've all seen this, like if a guy gets humiliated by a bigger guy, he'll have to go and pick a fight with a smaller guy, right?
That's acting out, because he doesn't want to feel humiliation, and so he has to go and make somebody else feel that humiliation so that he can restore his sense of equilibrium.
It's the leveling process that I've mentioned before.
But I think only once.
Now, we can skip through the Level 3 defense mechanisms relatively quickly.
The one, intellectualization.
Well, let's just say I do believe that there are some libertarians who are not unfamiliar with this.
One moment. Lane change.
My God, I'm actually making good progress on the public roads.
That's because I got my hair cut before heading home.
Separation of emotion from ideas.
Thinking about wishes in a formal, effective, bland manner.
Not acting on them and so on.
And we all know that. Repression.
Inexplicable naivety.
Memory lapses or lack of awareness.
Our physical status, and so we all know these kinds of Pollyannas who are just positive, positive, positive, can't even imagine anything negative.
And when you begin sort of pointing out negative things, they begin to get distinctly uncomfortable, hostile, and sort of a latent aggression.
We'll often come out in these kinds of areas.
You will see that kind of stuff occurring sometimes when you confront salespeople on their sales estimates and so on.
Well, the fault is the product, and the guy went on vacation, and who are you to tell me?
It was a good estimate, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Reaction formations, of course, these are pretty common.
One sec, I'm doing a left turn.
Will I make the light?
It's all too exciting for words.
Yes, we will. All right. And reaction formation is, you know, the exact opposite occurs to somebody who's experienced and hated great humiliation, becomes the sort of sergeant major guy who, you know, yells at the recruits, and a woman who has a great horror of sex, which arises from being raped as a child or as a youth, then becomes promiscuous as a reaction formation.
Completely the opposite of what one really wants or feels.
Taking care of someone when you really want to be taken care of and so on, right?
So you're really, really nice and you take care of everyone and what you secretly want is to be taken care of yourself and all of that kind of stuff, right?
Displacement, separation of emotion from its real object and redirection of intense emotion.
Oh, did I take the wrong turn?
Oh my god, I think I did.
Hang on. Oh, they're not letting me get over it.
Can I? Can I? Let me just be the annoying driver guy and sort of stop and then go around.
Time to do a U-turn.
Oh, it's going to be very exciting for you to see this gripping U-turn.
So, where will we?
Displacement.
Separation of emotion from its real object and redirection of the intense emotion towards someone or something that is less offensive or threatening in order to avoid dealing directly with what is frightening or threatening, which we talked about.
Dissociation, temporary and drastic modification of one's personal identity or character to avoid emotional distress.
This is depressingly common.
Dissociation is depressingly common in its manifestation, in people's relationships in particular.
They just zone out.
They just blank out. And I talked about this with regards to Marilyn Monroe and sexual abuse.
Dissociation is, you know, didn't happen, didn't remember.
It's a subset of denial, but it's a bit more genuine in that, you know, I guess people genuinely don't remember this kind of stuff.
So that dissociation, that's a very difficult one to fight.
That's a very difficult one to fight because people genuinely don't remember.
And when you remind them, it's really a powder keg.
Like when you sort of confront them or remind them of things that they claim to have forgotten, then they begin to get a sense that their dissociation is in fact a kind of strategy which makes them quite anxious.
And that's a very important thing, I think, to understand.
When you confront people's defenses, they know that...
Don't you always hate those horns?
Am I going to die? When you confront people's defenses, they get extraordinarily aggressive because they know...
There is the original emotion that they're trying to avoid, but what they get really aggressive about fundamentally is...
The fact that they have, in a cowardly manner, avoided these emotions, avoided dealing with these emotions, sort of taken the easy way out, and being sort of cowardly and bad and mean and vicious and so on.
And all of that is really, really significant.
And that's the really explosive stuff that you actually end up having to deal with when you confront people on their corruptions.
It's really, really horrendous.
It's the accumulated cowardice that is the real danger with this kind of stuff.
It's not the original emotions.
Those original emotions, it's like you take one step to sort of push a feeling away and then take another step.
It's those accumulated cowardices that are the hardest things to bear, I think, when you actually start to deal with this stuff in a very real way.
I hope that this has been helpful, a quick tour through the magical world of defenses.
I was actually hoping to find somewhere in there is a book that I read many years ago that goes through all of these defenses with examples.
I guess this guy's got a website with hyperlinks to some examples, but they tend to be news stories, which is quite a bit of sifting through to get to the real juice.
So anyway, thank you so much for listening.
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