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April 13, 2006 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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190 An Invitation to Christians Part 2: The Paths of Error
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Good afternoon everybody.
I hope you're doing well. It's Steph. It is 4.30 on the 13th of April 2006 and we've had some requests for a historical evaluation of Jesus and I think that ties very well into what it is we'll be chatting about on the way home tonight so I thought it might be worth having a look at some of these We're good to go.
Trying to figure out the contradictions in the New Testament or those relating to Jesus, so I thought I would mention these just so people are a bit more familiar with them.
Now, in Matthew 2.1, Jesus is born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king.
So, Jesus is born in about the year 6 BC. Now, in Luke 2, verses 1-7, he says, And it came to pass in those days that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.
And this taxing was first made when Cyrenus was governor of Syria.
And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger, because there was no room for them at the inn.
So, Jesus was born about the year 7 CE, which is 13 years later than it is mentioned in Matthew.
And you can have a look also at Acts 9, 26-29.
And you know what? I'm not going to go with all the verses.
You can look at the website, which I'll send to you.
Paul is saved in Galatians.
It doesn't seem to be. In Acts 9, you can see that when Christ appeared, he heard a voice but saw no man.
And in Acts 22, he hears no voice and just sees a light.
In Matthew, Jesus' apostle's name.
The twelfth is Lebes, whose surname was Thaddeus.
Luke 6, 14-16.
Apostles' names are now different.
The twelfth in Luke is Judas, the brother of James.
Now, Matthew says that Judas hangs himself, and Acts says that Judas falls headlong, and his bowels gush, which I can't imagine is fun.
Matthew says that Elias is John the Baptist.
John says that Elias is not John the Baptist.
In Luke and Romans, according to the flesh, 41 men are between Jesus and David.
I guess that's a genealogy.
And in Matthew and Romans, according to the flesh, there are 26 men between Jesus and David.
And in Matthew, there's a temple before a passing fig tree, and in Matthew as well, the temple is after passing a fig tree.
And in Mark, Jesus was crucified by the third hour.
In John, he was not crucified by the sixth hour.
And in Matthew, Luke, and Mark, Simon carries the cross, and in John, it says that Jesus carries the cross.
And in Mark, he gave wine with myrrh to drink, and in Matthew, he gave vinegar with gall to drink, which I can't imagine is going to be quite as tasty.
In Matthew, Jesus is the son of Joseph, son of Jacob.
In Luke, Jesus is the son of Joseph, son of Heli.
And in 1 Corinthians, Jesus is seen by 12, and in Matthew, Jesus is seen by 11.
In 1 Chronicles 7, 6, there are three sons.
Benjamin has three sons.
In Chronicles, there are five sons.
In Genesis, there are ten sons.
Of course, we don't really know how many sons Benjamin had in that particular situation.
In Acts, Paul falls to the ground.
Others remain standing.
Paul receives a very simple command.
In Acts, Paul falls to the ground and others also fall to the ground.
Paul receives a long sermon and detailed instructions.
In Matthew, the mother of Zebedee's sons make the request.
And in Mark, the Zebedee's sons make the request themselves, which I guess is fairly significant.
Now, as to the whole tomb thing, there are four different accounts of who visited the tomb.
In Matthew, we hear at the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mark says, and when the Sabbath was passed, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome had brought sweet spices that they might come and anoint him.
John says, the first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early when it was yet dark under the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Luke says it was Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James and other women that were with them which told these things unto the apostles.
And of course there are four different accounts of who saw what at Jesus' grave.
So Matthew says, and behold there was a great earthquake for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone from the door and sat upon it.
His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow.
And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye, for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Now Mark says, And entering into the sepulchre they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment, and they were affrighted.
Luke says, And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments.
John says, And seeth two angels in white sitting on the one at the head, the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
So there's some contradictions there.
Now Luke says, And returned from the Sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
So the three women and speaking.
Mark says, And John says,
My witness is not true. And John also says, My record is true.
Now, Jesus' last words.
There are three different narrations. Luke says, And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, under thy hands I commend my spirit.
And having said this, he gave up the ghost.
John says, When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished.
And he bowed his head and gave up the ghost.
Matthew says, And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama, something, something, something in Aramaic.
That is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
So there was lots of exiting of ghosts, but the script is a little bit confusing here.
Now, this one's a little bit confusing, and perhaps biblical people can tell me a little bit more about this.
It's confusing. I think it sort of makes sense, but let me know.
Acts says, And that's King David.
Matthew says, Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise, when, as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with the child of the Holy Ghost.
In other words, was Jesus the descendant of King David as foretold in Acts, or according to the flesh, or was he the Son of God in terms of the Holy Spirit?
Now, Matthew says about Jesus, And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain.
And when he was set, his disciples came unto him, and he opened his mouth and taught them, saying...
Luke says, And he came down with them and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples and a great multitude of people came near him, or came to hear him.
And he lifted up his eyes to his disciples and said...
So looking down from a mountain or looking up from a plain.
We're not sure.
Now, of course, the Muslims believe that something quite different about the visibility of God.
So for instance, in Exodus they say, Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel.
Amos says, I saw the Lord standing upon the altar, Genesis says, and the Lord appeared unto him and said, Exodus said, And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my back parts.
Exodus says, And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.
Genesis says also, For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
and there's lots of other verses that claim that God can be seen.
Now John says, no man hath seen God at any time.
Exodus says, and he said, thou canst not see my face, for there shall no man see me and live.
John also says, no man hath seen God at any time, as I mentioned.
Timothy says, whom no man hath seen or can see.
So of course these verses claim that God cannot be seen.
Now, the question of regret and guilt is interesting as well.
So, Melechai says, For I am the Lord, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
James says, Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variableness, neither a shadow of turning.
Jonah says, And God saw their works, that they had turned from their evil way, And God repented of the evil that he had said he would do unto them, and he did it not.
So God sort of decides to smite people and then decides not to because he repents.
Genesis. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
So this is not somebody who's unchanging, but being that cannot see the future, changes his mind and grieves.
Now, Matthew says, and they stripped him and put on him a scarlet robe.
I think that's Jesus. And John says, and the soldiers plaited a crown of thorns and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe.
Now, there's lots of things about this where people say, well, maybe it was they were looking into the sun or looking away from the sun, but, I mean, these are different colored robes for sure.
Now, King says, and Elijah went up by whirlwind into heaven, Genesis says, and Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah 300 years, and begat sons and daughters, and all the days of Enoch were 360 and 5 years.
And Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.
Now John says, this is sort of New Testament stuff, John says, No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, the Son of Man.
And in the Old Testament it says, And it came to pass after these things in Genesis, that God did tempt Abraham.
Now James says, Isaiah says, For the iniquity of their fathers, that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
Deuteronomy says, So do you inherit the sin of your fathers or not?
Matthew says that a centurion came in person.
Luke says the centurion sent for elders of the Jews.
The place where Jesus stayed when he was in Bethany, Matthew and Mark say it was in the house of Simon the leper.
Luke says that it was the Pharisees' house.
John, on the other hand, claims that it was the house of Martha, Mary, and Lazarus.
Now, regarding an ointment, Matthew and Mark say, sorry, Matthew and Mark claim that a random woman bought the ointment.
Luke says it was a sinful woman.
John says it was Mary, Lazarus' sister.
Now, Matthew and Mark say that the woman anointed Jesus' head.
Luke and John both say she anointed his feet.
Mark claims that some were indignant.
Matthew claims that the disciples were indignant.
Luke claims that the Pharisee alone was indignant.
John claims that Judas Iscariot alone was indignant.
Now, in Romans, Adam alone is responsible for the original sin.
Now, in Timothy, Eve alone and not Adam was responsible for the original sin.
Now Mark says that Jesus spoke with the elders of the Jews on the third day after his arrival in Jerusalem.
Matthew says that Jesus spoke with the elders of the Jews on the second day after his arrival.
Now Matthew says that Jesus healed a leper, then a servant of the centurion, then healed the mother of Simon's wife.
Mark says that Jesus healed the mother of Simon's wife, then a leper, then the servant of the centurion.
Matthew says that Jesus healed two blind men after leaving Jericho.
Mark says that Jesus healed one blind man called Bartimaeus after leaving Jericho.
Matthew 9.18 The ruler came and said, My daughter is even now dead.
Mark says the ruler said his daughter is near death.
After they came near his house, someone came out and told him that his daughter had died while he was away.
Now Matthew says, when Jesus came to the country of the Gergesanese, he met two men possessed with devils coming out of the tombs.
Mark and Luke say that when Jesus came into the country of the Gardener, whatever they were, he met one man possessed with devils coming out of the tombs.
Now there are at least two different narrations on the conversion of the disciples.
In Mark and Matthew it says, The next day Jesus went into Galilee and found Philip.
Philip then found Nathanael.
At no time was anyone mending nets in this particular account.
Now, Mark says that after departing from the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, Jesus came unto the Sea of Galilee.
One man that was deaf and had an impediment in his speech was brought before Jesus.
Jesus healed him. Matthew says, Jesus departed and came to the Sea of Galilee, quote, And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet.
And he healed them, in so much that the multitude wondered when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to behold, the lame to walk, and the blind to see, they glorified in the God of Israel.
By the way, you have to see the film Monty Python's Life of Brian just to see the man lean forward and say, Oh Lord, I am affected by a bald spot.
Now, Matthew says that on the cross, I guess, both thieves mocked Jesus.
Luke says, one of the thieves mocked Jesus while the other rebuked him and asked Jesus to remember him in heaven.
Jesus promised him that he would be with him in heaven.
Now Acts says that Judas purchased a field with the pieces of silver.
Matthew says the chief priests purchased a field with the pieces of silver.
Matthew says the devil took Jesus to the pinnacle of the temple, then to a high mountain.
Luke says the devil took Jesus to a high mountain, then to the pinnacle of the temple.
Now this one's a little confusing, but I think it makes sense.
Matthew says...
At the last came two false witnesses and said, this fellow Jesus said, I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.
Of course, the question is, how can there be false witnesses if Jesus actually did say this?
Matthew says that the woman who cried for her daughter was from Canaan.
Mark says that she was a Greek and a Syrophoenician as well, which I assume is not the same as a Canaan, because it's much harder to pronounce.
Now, this is a rather interesting one, and a little tricky in terms of following, right?
As I mentioned in earlier podcasts, following these rules is a little tricky.
Romans says, Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
James says, What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and not have works?
Can faith save him?
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Now, in Samuel, they talk about 700 horsemen.
In 1 Chronicles, they talk about 7,000 horsemen.
In Chronicles, they talk about three years famine.
In Samuel, they talk about seven years famine.
In Deuteronomy, Moses is deprived of the land of Ammon.
In Joshua, Moses is given the land of Ammon as an inheritance.
Now, the numerology of the Bible is...
It's not too clear.
So, for instance, in Chronicles we have a time span of 8 years, 3 months and 10 days.
In Kings it's 18 years and 3 months.
Samuel, they talk about 40,000 horsemen and 700 foot soldiers.
And they also talk about, in Chronicles, 7,000 foot soldiers.
Sorry, 7,000 horsemen and 40,000 foot soldiers.
Kings, they talk about 2,000 baths.
Chronicles, they talk about 3,000 baths.
In Samuel, they say Michal had no children and also that he had five sons.
Genesis says mankind shall not live past 120 years.
Genesis also gives the ages of people as like 500, 438, 433, 464, so maybe it's not like earth years.
Chronicles talk about 4,000 stalls.
1 Kings talks about 40,000 stalls.
Isaiah says, God does not faint nor weary.
Exodus says, God rested and was refreshed.
Genesis says, God creates plants, then animals, then man.
In Genesis, it also says, God creates man, then plants, then animals, then women.
Now, in Samuel, David buys the ark after fighting the Philistines, and also in Samuel, David buys the ark before fighting the Philistines.
Now Genesis commands Noah to bring to the ark of every living thing of all flesh two of every sort thou shalt bring into the ark to keep them alive, male and female, of fowls, of cattle, of every creeping thing of the earth.
Now in Genesis also, Noah is asked to bring to the ark of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female, and of beasts that are not clean, by two, the male and his female, of fowls, of the air, by sevens, the male and the female.
So two or not, we don't really know.
Now, of course, in the Old Testament, you have a righteous fest.
Noah was righteous, Job was righteous, Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous, Abraham was righteous, and some men are righteous, which is what makes their prayers effective.
Now, in Romans, no one is righteous, not one.
And, of course, John says no one was or is righteous.
Now Matthew says, with God all things are possible, and so does Mark.
But Judges says, and the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain, but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
And Exodus, God permits adultery.
This is one of the Ten Commandments.
In Hosea, God commands Hosea to take a wife of harlotry.
Now, in Numbers, Aaron died on Mount Hor.
After Aaron's death, the Israelites journeyed from Mount Hor to Zalmona, to Pumon.
And in Deuteronomy, Aaron died in Mozerah.
After Aaron's death, the Israelites journeyed from Mozerah to Gudgoda, to Jatbath.
It's all starting to sound very Klingon.
Now, we could go on and on, but I'm going to break my Aramaic pronunciation brain, so let's not do that.
The list goes on and on.
I hope this is just a small sample.
But there are some Christian scholars that acknowledge that there are between 48,000 and 50,000 errors or contradictions in the Bible.
Now, even if you are, you know, really, really into faith, it's going to be tricky to get all 50,000 of these errors to go away.
And, of course, you could say, well, of course, it's a book, it's translated and so on, but, I mean, we're not just talking about, you know, an ancient John Grisham novel here, we're talking about the authentic, original Word of God.
And the Bible itself says, the grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our God shall stand forever.
And that's a little tricky to figure out then, if the word is going to stand forever, whether or not these 50,000 errors sort of make sense.
Now, there's not a whole lot of forgiveness from our friend Mr.
Christ about all of this stuff, because Luke says that Jesus says,"...he that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much, and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also." In much.
So, you know, you don't get much off for the slip of the laws, like based on the letter of the laws, and since there are these tens of thousands of contradictions, it's a little hard to sort of figure out if missing one of them makes you unjust to a great degree, how you could be just.
Now I think it's important to understand that what is called the New Testament now, these were not officially approved into New Testament canons or inspired books until many centuries after the departure of Jesus.
So tens of generations of Christians lived and died after the departure of Jesus, never having known or seen sort of a New Testament or the Bible that's in our possession today.
Now, of course, after Jesus died or fled or left or whatever, the apostles and a lot of other people began to write their own Gospels.
Now, each one of these authors, they travel off to other lands, they get their followers, and those followers would adopt this man's Gospel as his sort of personal Bible, as the Bible.
Now, of course, unscrupulous people and cult leaders and crazy people began to write gospels as well and claim that they were from a given apostle or that they themselves were receiving divine inspirations.
So new, crazy, wild, innovative teachings now begin to be introduced into the religion of Jesus.
And you've got the natural kind of competition that you would have between mystics who are all claiming to be the absolute bearers of truth.
And each person says, I alone have the true gospel of Jesus and no one else.
And of course, some of those people believe that Jesus was a mortal messenger of God and nothing others.
Others thought he was partially divine.
Others thought he was a true God, but independent of God of himself to those who thought it should be a trinity.
And those who claimed that Mary too was a God, those who believed in two gods, one good and the other evil.
And this really began to snowball into a real war of the Gospitals.
Everyone curses and damns everybody else.
The Christian sects are butchering one another right and left.
There are all these debates and councils and so on, but nobody actually gains prominence in this sort of early history of the church.
So, of course, naturally, like any religious cults that are warring for power, they begin to learn, sorry, they begin to look towards the Roman Empire.
It's a pagan empire, but it's the dominant superpower, so anyone who Of these crazy sacks who can enlist the aid of the emperor is going to have a pretty good go at becoming the dominant religion.
Constantine was greatly troubled, of course, by the swelling ranks of his Christian subjects and the inner wars, the fightings, the back and forth, which was not really good for the empire as a whole.
Now, the Roman Empire's support began to sort of swing between those who believed in the unity of God and those who believed in a sort of trinity.
And the Trinitarians finally gained the upper hand, and they almost wiped the Unitarians out.
So they were the ones who selected and collected the, quote, truly inspired gospels into one volume.
This sort of became the New Testament.
They burned all the other gospels, and there were sweeping campaigns of inquisitions, which swept back and forth across the Roman Empire.
Anyone who was found in possession of these false gospels was put to death, and this gospel was burned, and it was just a complete mess.
Now, this went on for centuries and centuries.
People are convicted of heresy and burned to death for lots of reasons.
You've got your land and property confiscated.
Physical torture is used quite a bit to extract a confession of guilt, which is then death by burning, stretching limbs on the rack, burning with live coals, and a vertical rack.
And this was just horrendous.
I mean, if you denied the charges of being a heretic and you could not counter-proof, which is, of Then you get life imprisonment, execution, total confiscation of property, and of course we know this is philosopher Giordino Bruno, Galileo, Joan of Arc, the religious Knights Templar, all these sort of things.
So basically you have some statistics, right?
Some statistics say that over this time period...
12 million people are put to death by the church inquisitors.
I guess at this point it would have been the Catholic Church.
Now, in the middle of the 15th century, you've got this vicious persecution campaign.
They're aiming at the Maranos, which is the converts from Judaism, and the Moriscos converts from Islam.
And there were lots of attacks upon these people.
And then, of course, the history is written by the victors.
So, you know, all of the historians say, oh, we managed to overcome the wicked, defeat the blasphemers, burn the devils, sorcerers, and so on.
And this is really the books that have a lot of influence on Western history books, and those are sort of what we believe today.
Okay.
Now, I think it's also important to understand that a lot of the practices of Christianity were not invented by Christianity for sure, and that's something which is important to understand.
So, for instance, early Christians, they celebrated Jesus' birthday on January the 6th, and Armenian Christians still do.
In Alexandria, in what is now Egypt, the birthday of their god-man, Aion, was also celebrated on January the 6th.
And Christians and most pagans eventually celebrated the birthday of their god-man on December the 25th.
Now, according to an ancient Christian tradition, Christ died on March 23rd and was resurrected on March 25th.
These dates agree precisely with the death and resurrection of Attis.
Now, there's a very important ritual, a sacrament, which is pretty common in the ancient world, which is that a ritual meal of bread and wine, which symbolized the God-man's body and blood, and of course the followers are pretty much generally accused of cannibalism.
Early Christians initiated converts in March and April by baptism.
and Mithraism initiated their new members at this time as well.
Early Christians were naked when they were baptized.
After immersion, they then put on white clothing and a crown.
They carried a candle and walked in a procession to a basilica.
Followers of Mithra were also baptized naked, put on white clothing and a crown, and walked in a procession to the temple.
However, they carried torches.
So that's very different.
Thank you.
Now, at Pentecost, the followers of Jesus were recorded as speaking in tongues.
At Trophonius and Delos, the pagan priestesses also spoke in tongues.
They appeared to speak in such a way that each person present heard her words in the observer's own language.
An inscription to Mithras reads,"'He who will not eat of my body, and drink of my blood, so that he will be made on with me, and I with him, the same shall not know salvation.' In John, Jesus is said to have repeated this theme.
Now, the Bible records that Jesus was crucified between two thieves.
One went to heaven and the other to hell.
In the Mithras mysteries, a common image showed Mithras...
Flanked by two torchbearers, one on either side.
One held a torch pointed upwards, the other downwards.
This symbolized ascent to heaven or descent to hell.
In Atis, a bull was slaughtered while on a perforated platform.
The animal's blood flowed down over an initiate who stood in a pit under the platform.
The believer was then considered to have been born again.
Poor people could only afford a sheep, and so were literally washed in the blood of the lamb.
This practice was interpreted symbolically by Christians.
So there's lots of additional points of similarity between Mithraism and Christianity.
St. Augustine even declared that the priests of Mithraism worshipped the same god as he did.
Followers of both religions celebrated a ritual involving bread.
It was called Misa in Latin or Mass in English.
Both the Catholic Church and Mithraism had a total of seven sacraments.
Epiphany, Jan VI, was originally the festival in which the followers of Mithra celebrated the visit of the Magi to their newborn God-man.
The Christian Church took this over in the 9th century.
Now, the historical deity that Jesus seems to have the most in common with is Horus.
Now, Horus is an Egyptian god, Horus Horus, and he was worshipped thousands of years before the first century, the time when Jesus was ministering in Palestine.
Horus was often represented as a stylized eye symbol symbolizing the eye of a falcon.
He's often shown as an infant cradled by his mother, Isis.
He was considered to be the son of two major Egyptian deities, the god Osiris and the goddess Ibis.
In adulthood he avenged his father's murder and became recognized as the god of civil order and justice.
Even each of the Egyptian pharaohs were believed to be a living embodiment and incarnation of Horus.
So let's have a look at the lives of Horus and Jesus sort of side by side.
So stories from the life of Horus have been circulating for centuries before the birth of Jesus.
And if any copying occurs, it's not Christian to Egyptian.
It's definitely the other way around.
Because there are, in fact, some people argue that, this one scholar argues, all of the essential ideas of both Judaism and Christianity come primarily from Egyptian sources, Egyptian religions.
The author Gerald Massey discovered nearly 200 instances of immediate correspondence between the mythical Egyptian material and the allegedly historical Christian writings about Jesus, Horus, was indeed the archetypical pagan Christ.
So let's have a look at some similarities between these two deities.
So, event, conception.
Horus was conceived by a virgin.
Jesus was conceived by a virgin.
His father, Horace, was the only begotten son of the god Osiris, and Jesus was the only begotten son of Jehovah, or Jehovah, in the form of the Holy Spirit.
Horace's mother was Mary, or M-E-R-I, and Nazareth's mother was Miriam, a.k.a.
Mary. The foster father was Joseph.
Jesus was Joseph. His foster father's ancestry was of royal descent for both Horus and Jesus.
And Horus was born in a cave.
Jesus was born in a cave or a stable.
The Annunciation was by an angel to Isis' mother.
And Nazareth, of course, was by an angel to Mary, his mother.
The birth of Horus was heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star.
The birth of Jesus was heralded by an unidentified star in the east.
And the birth date of Horus, ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and a child representing Horus through the streets at the time of winter solstice, which was typically December the 21st.
Now, of course, Jesus is December the 25th.
This date is chosen to occur on the same date as the births of Mithra, Dionysus, and the Sol Invictus.
Sol Invictus, sorry, unconquerable son, etc.
Birth announcement for Horus was by angels, and of course, for Jesus of Nazareth as well.
The birth witnesses for Horus were shepherds, same for Jesus.
The later witnesses to birth were three solar deities for Horus and three wise men for Jesus.
Death threats during infancy.
Herod tries to have Horus murdered and Herod tries to have Jesus murdered.
Handling the threat, the god that tells Horus' mother, Come thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.
An angel tells Jesus' father to arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.
Now, the rite of passage ritual.
Horus came of age with a special ritual when his eye was restored.
And Jesus, of course, was taken by his parents to the temple for what is today called a bar mitzvah ritual.
The age of ritual was 12 for Horus and 12 for Jesus.
Now, the break in life history for Horus, there's no data whatsoever between the ages of 12 and 30.
Now, for Jesus, it's actually between 12 and 30.
Now, the baptism location for Horus was in the river Eridanus, and for Jesus, it's in the river Jordan.
The age of baptism for both was 30.
Horus was baptized by Anup, the baptizer, and And John the Baptist baptized Christ.
Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
And the temptation, Horus was taken from the desert of Armenta, up a high mountain, by his arch-rival Sut.
Sut, aka Set, was a precursor for the Hebrew Satan.
And of course, as Horus was taken from a desert to a high mountain, Jesus was taken from a desert in Palestine to a high mountain by his arch-rival, Satan.
Horus resists temptation, of course.
Jesus resists temptation, of course.
Close followers of Horus.
Twelve disciples. I'm sure you know the number for Jesus.
What did Horus do?
Well, he walked on water.
He cast out demons.
He healed the sick. He restored sight to the blind.
He, quote, stilled the sea by his power.
And let's see.
Jesus walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind.
He ordered the sea with a peace be still command.
Now Horus raised Osiris his dead father from the grave, and Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave, who was not of course his dead father.
Now, the location where this resurrection miracle occurred for Horus was Anu, an Egyptian city where the rites of the death, burial, and resurrection of Horus were enacted annually.
Hebrews added their prefix for house, Beth, to Anu to produce Beth-Anu, or the house of Anu, since you and why were interchangeable.
In antiquity, Beth-Anu became Bethany, the location mentioned where the resurrection miracle occurred for Jesus in John 11.
Now, the origin of Lazarus' name in the Gospel of John.
Asar was an alternative name for Osiris, Horus' father, who Horus raised from the dead.
He was referred to as the Asar, as a sign of respect.
Translated into Hebrew, this is El Asar.
The Romans added the prefix As to indicate a male name, producing El Asarus.
Over time, the E was dropped, the S became Z, producing Lazarus.
And Horus was transfigured on a mountain, and so was Jesus.
The key address of Horus was called A Sermon on the Mount, and in Jesus it's either A Sermon on the Mount or A Sermon on the Plain, depending which you go with.
The method of death for Horus, he was actually crucified, and Jesus, I do believe, the same, accompanied by two thieves, and Jesus was two thieves.
He was buried in a tomb, and of course in a tomb, After death, Horus descended into hell and was resurrected after three days.
Jesus descended into hell, was resurrected after about 30 to 38 hours.
And the resurrection was announced by women for both Horus and Jesus.
In the future, you're supposed to reign for a thousand years in the millennium.
For Horus and Jesus, it was pretty much the same kind of thing.
Now, some of the characteristics of Horus and Jesus.
Nature, he's regarded as a mythical character, and he is regarded, Jesus is regarded as a first century human man-god.
The main role of Horus, savior of humanity, savior of humanity for Jesus, status god-man, god-man, common portrayal.
Virgin Isis holding the infant Horus.
Jesus, Virgin Mary holding the infant Jesus.
Title, KRST, Cursed, the Anointed One, Jesus Christ, the Anointed One.
Other names, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Bread of Life, the Son of Man, the Word, the Fisher, the Winnower, and the same for Christ, of course.
And the Zodiac sign, Horus is associated with Pisces, the fish, and Jesus is associated with Pisces, the fish.
The main symbol for Horus is a fish, beetle, the vine, and a shepherd's crook, exactly the same for Jesus, of course.
And some of the teachings.
Let's have a look at some of the teachings of Horus and Jesus.
Now for Horus, the criteria for salvation at the place of judgment is, quote, I have given bread to the hungry man, and water to the thirsty man, and clothing to the naked person, and a boat to the shipwrecked mariner.
Jesus says, For I was an hungry, and ye gave me meat.
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink.
I was a stranger, and ye took me in naked, and ye clothed me.
And I am statements, Horus says, I am Horus in glory.
I am the Lord of light. I am the victorious one.
I am the heir of endless time.
I, even I, am he that knoweth the path to heaven.
I am Horus, the prince of eternity.
I am Horus, who steppeth forward through eternity.
Eternity and everlastingness is my name.
I am the possessor of bread in Anu.
I have bread in heaven with Ra.
Christ says, I am the light of the world, I am the way, the truth, and the life.
Before Abraham was, I am Jesus Christ, the same yesterday and today and forever.
I am the living bread that cometh down from heaven.
Well, I mean, you can go on and on, and feel free to look this stuff up.
It's very interesting to realize, of course, just how much Jesus' life has in common with prior man, God, or deities.
And so, to me, you know, to be perfectly frank, and we'll talk about this a little bit more as I drive home...
To me, when you say that, well, Horus is silly, but Jesus exists, it's exactly the same to me as saying Batman is silly, the Green Hornet is silly, but Superman now, he exists.
And I have pillaged that line from somebody on the extra DVD of The God Who Wasn't There, which is an interesting documentary.
But to say that this god is original, or this god has some sort of hold or uniqueness, it's exactly the same.
Everywhere you look, you see these man-gods with exactly the same characteristics, or approximately the same.
And of course, since some of this stuff wasn't written down until 900 years after the death of somebody, that there's little, if any, historical evidence for, obviously means...
I mean, we can't even figure out what started World War I with all the documentary evidence.
There's still lots of disagreement about Iraq, which is happening right now.
And to think that, and this is with all of the modern technology that we have, to imagine that anything of any truth could survive nine centuries, or at least a few centuries before being written down, is silly.
And to think that a religion can simply come along without incorporating the main aspects of a prior religion doesn't make any sense.
So if you have trouble believing in the divinity of Horus, it seems to me exactly the same as...
You can now understand my perspective about Jesus.
In fact, it's even less believable.
Because if you believe in Jesus, but you don't believe in Horus, you at least accept that a god can exist.
If you don't believe in any of this nonsense, then the two are indistinguishable.
So your feelings about Horus and Zeus and so on times about 10 million are my feelings about Jesus and this sort of stuff.
So... I hope that makes some sense, at least where my skepticism comes from.
So we will chat about this a little bit more in the car.
I will tune in, hopefully you will tune in to part three.
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