All Episodes
Previous Next
Plain Text
May 16, 2023 - Skeptoid
18:57
Skeptoid #884: Hunting the Florida Skunk Ape

This Bigfoot-like cryptid is said to haunt the swamps of Florida. But has the story been around as long as people think? Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Transcriber: nvidia/parakeet-tdt-0.6b-v2, sat-12l-sm, and large-v3-turbo
|

Time Text
Blazing Eyes in the Swamp 00:10:12
It's a dark night, hot and still, the air thick with a symphony of crickets and katy dids.
You're on a tiny low island in the middle of scores of miles of swamp, your fire smoldering low, your tent calling you to sleep.
And then, a shock of terror, a pair of blazing eye spots burning yellow through the brush and vines.
And then you smell it.
You're having that rarest encounter with that stinkiest of creatures, the Florida skunk ape.
That's coming up right now on Skeptoid.
Hi, I'm Alex Goldman.
You may know me as the host of Reply All, but I'm done with that.
I'm doing something else now.
I've started a new podcast called Hyperfixed.
On every episode of Hyperfixed, listeners write in with their problems and I try to solve them.
Some massive and life-altering, and some so minuscule it'll boggle your mind.
No matter the problem, no matter the size, I'm here for you.
That's Hyperfixed, the new podcast for Radiotopia.
Find it wherever you listen to podcasts or at hyperfixedpod.com.
You're listening to Skeptoid.
I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com.
Hunting the Florida Skunk Ape.
Of all the world's Bigfoot-type cryptids, one stands alone as being the absolute stinkiest.
It smells so bad that it's called the Skunk Ape.
And you'd probably smell that bad too if you lived in the swamps of southern Florida.
For that's where the Florida skunk ape is said to dwell, hidden deep in the wetlands, well protected by terrain, nearly impossible to traverse, countless twisting miles of alligator-infested waterways, and tangled cypress roots.
If ever there was a place where a large animal could hide and never be spotted, Florida's swamplands are it.
Today we're going to see if the skunk ape has successfully done just that.
You've probably heard that the skunk ape has been known in Florida for hundreds of years.
But in fact, it first appeared in August 1971 when the Associated Press released a story that was syndicated in newspapers everywhere.
It was the report of an H.C. Osbon, described as an electrical engineer and amateur archaeologist.
This was Henry Clay Osbon, 1930 to 1978, who went by Buzz, according to his obituary.
Buzz Osbon and four friends were digging in Native American mounds looking for relics in Big Cypress Swamp in the south of Florida.
AP quoted his story.
It was about three in the morning when we heard something moving around outside the tent, he said.
We went out and there it was, just standing there looking at us while we stared at it.
It didn't stay very long and ran before we could recover from our surprise.
We found its tracks the next morning, Osbon said.
They are very man-like.
I have plaster casts we made from them.
The thing we saw that night had a foot 17 and a half inches long and 11.5 inches across at the toes.
In later trips, we found smaller tracks, indicating there are at least three of them in that section of the swamp.
And that's it.
He also speculated on what it might eat and where it might live, and said that he hoped to go back to capture or photograph one.
As far as earlier accounts go, Osbon stated he had learned the skunk ape, quote, was known to trappers and fishermen who penetrated the big cypress in the 1920s, end quote.
But if they did, they seem to have told no stories that were ever set down in print, at least not that I could find.
I found exactly one other mention of a swamp ape in newspapers of the era, and it was another AP story from March 1926.
However, this told only of a paleontological find, not a living ape.
Another final tradition has gone by the boards, namely that Florida was originally settled by Seminole Indians and their antecedents, monkey bones having been dug up here in a subdivision, the specie of which has been confirmed by the Smithsonian Institute at Washington.
It is believed this tribe of anthropoids was undoubtedly the original swamp ape tribe, hitherto infesting the state and considered by students of animal lore to have been mere creatures of the modern imagination.
Well, everything is wrong about this little clip.
The Seminole were not the first Native American tribe in Florida.
It's Smithsonian Institution, not institute, and there has never been any evidence that non-human primates of any kind ever lived in Florida, discounting those imported by modern humans.
And there being no actual publication about this by the Smithsonian, at least not that I was able to find, I'm going to dismiss this one as either satire or yellow journalism, both of which were common in the day.
So it does appear that Buzz Osbon is the original creator of the skunk ape legend, and then only as recently as 1971.
This tracks well with other sources.
In the comprehensive 1999 encyclopedia Cryptozoology A to Z by Lauren Coleman and Jerome Clark, the skunk ape does get a chapter, but it mentions sightings beginning only in the 1970s.
Conversely, Bernard Ouvermo's 1958 magnum opus, On the Track of Unknown Animals, covers primate cryptids throughout the Americas, but makes no mention of the skunk ape's existence at all.
By 1971, Florida was thoroughly populated and fully explored, the great swamps of its southern half perhaps only partially so.
Generally, when there are stories or general knowledge about something, or even just rumors, they usually make it into print somewhere.
The fact that the skunk ape never did shows a lack of documentary evidence that almost certainly would exist if there actually were any stories.
However, like so many other case studies in cryptozoology, there are claims of earlier accounts, accounts which nobody ever manages to actually produce.
The source for most of these seems to be the 2007 book, Florida's Unexpected Wildlife by Michael Newton.
He gives no contemporary sources at all.
In his 2009 book, Hidden Animals, he summarized an astonishing number of early skunk ape accounts from Florida.
The first swamp ape witness at Apalachicola in 1818 compared the animal to a baboon.
The next reports described a wild man living near San Pedro Bay in Madison County.
The same location produced more sightings in 1900, and then swamp apes dropped out of sight until 1942, when an aggressive primate charged a moving car outside of Branford.
Another sighting came from Lakeland in 1947, but then the apes took another 10-year hiatus before reappearing in Big Cypress Swamp.
Five more sightings followed in the 1950s, at least 25 in the 1960s, and 166 in the 1970s, before tapering off to 38 in the 1980s.
And yet, if you actually search all the newspapers from any of those dates, you'll find no such cases at all, until Buzz Osban's 1971 account, which the newspapers reported as a new thing.
We see this time and time and time again in cryptozoology.
Authors merely assert the existence of early cases.
They provide no evidence that those reports ever actually existed, and then they themselves become the primary references upon which many subsequent authors base the same repeated claims.
It nearly always turns out that some author is just making these up.
Hey everyone, I want to remind you about a truly unique and once-in-a-lifetime adventure.
Join me and Mediterranean archaeologist Dr. Flint Dibble for a skeptoid sailing adventure through the Mediterranean Sea aboard the SV Royal Clipper, the world's largest full-rigged sailing ship.
This is also the only opportunity you'll have to hear Flint and I talk about our experiences when we both went on Joe Rogan to represent the causes of science and reality against whatever it is that you get when you're thrown into that lion pit.
We set sail from Malaga, Spain on April 18th, 2026 and finished the adventure in Nice, France on April 25th.
You'll enjoy a fascinating skeptical mini-conference at sea.
You'll visit amazing ports along the Spanish and French coasts and Flint will be our exclusive onboard expert sharing the real archaeology and history about every stop.
We've got special side quests and extra skeptical content planned at each port.
This is a true sailing ship.
You can climb the rat lines to the crow's nest, handle the sails.
You can even take the helm and steer.
This is a real bucket list adventure you don't want to miss.
But cabins are selling fast and this ship does always sell out.
Act now or you'll miss this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
Get the full details and book your cabin at skeptoid.com slash adventures.
Hope to see you on board.
That's skeptoid.com slash adventures.
The Orangutan Pattern Problem 00:06:35
And we also have an example of that other old standby of cryptozoologists, claims that the local native population has long had legends of it.
This we also find to be false nearly every time we dig into it.
Michael Newton also seems to be the original source of this familiar claim in this case, stating that ST Kapkaki is the Seminole word for tall man.
Here is the red flag in this case.
I searched all the literature I could, but ST Kapkaki appears only in cryptozoology texts and in no Seminole texts at all.
I also asked a Seminole language group on Facebook if anyone knew what it meant, and nobody recognized the words.
The fact is that sometimes cryptozoologists will make this up because they understand its persuasive power.
I personally find it disrespectful and more than a little distasteful when cryptozoologists habitually exploit a First Nations culture in an effort to lend nativist credibility to their pseudoscientific claim.
It's worth pointing out that in Buzz Osbon's 1971 account, he said, I haven't heard any Indian legends about it, but I bet we'll find some when we start talking to the Indians.
Even Buzz understood the marketing value of nativist credibility.
So as apocryphal as the earlier accounts are, at best, the skunk ape post-1971 has been as popular as any other cryptid.
Its biggest boost came in 2001 when a letter with two photographs was received by the Sarasota County Sheriff's Department.
The letter, which was anonymous, read, in part, Enclosed, please find some pictures I took.
My husband thinks it is an orangutan.
Is someone missing an orangutan?
It's hard to judge from the photos how big this orangutan really is.
As soon as the flash went off for the second time, it stood up and started to move.
I then heard the orangutan walk off into the brushes.
From where I was standing, I judge it as being about six and a half to seven feet tall in a kneeling position.
It had an awful smell that lasted well after it had left my yard.
The orangutan was making deep whoop noises.
Please find out where the animal came from and who it belongs to.
It shouldn't be loose like this.
Someone will get hurt.
The two photos are widely reproduced online and easy to find if you search for Maiaca Skunk Ape Photos.
Maiaca referring to Maaka River State Park, near where the photos may have been taken.
They show a dark gray ape-like creature illuminated in a flash at night, partially obscured by palm fronds.
It doesn't really look at all like an orangutan.
In fact, it's quite different from any known ape.
It has at least three specific features that are unknown among the great apes.
First, its coloration.
It's black but with a gray chin and gray fur on its upper chest.
That would be a pattern never seen before on an ape.
Second, it has prominent lower fangs visible in its open mouth that are long, straight, and of a uniform thinness, making them appear fragile.
In apes with lower fangs, like gorillas, those fangs are thick and triangular for strength.
And third, its most noticeable feature is its eye shine, like the proverbial deer in the headlights.
Eyeshine is found in some animals that have a layer behind their retina called the tapitum lucidum.
No monkeys or apes have this layer, though some small primates, like lemurs, do, on a completely different phylogenetic branch which separated from the great apes 65 million years ago.
As the creature's position is slightly different in the two photographs, it's definitely an articulated three-dimensional object.
It could be a real animal, albeit a remarkably inconsistent one.
It could be a person in a suit.
It would have to be a custom suit as many have looked for a matching commercially available suit and never found one.
Or it could be some kind of model.
The Myaka skunk ape photos starkly illustrate the unfortunate nature of photos as anecdotal evidence.
We cannot test them or derive anything empirical from them.
We don't even know whether what's shown in these photos is biological or not.
A local cryptozoologist, David Barchese, used the processing numbers visible on the photos to verify that they had been processed right there in Sarasota, and that they'd been taken in the fall of 2000 and processed in December, the same month they were sent in to the sheriff's office.
So if the photos are a hoax, they were at least hoaxed in the time and place claimed.
And they would also be, obviously, among the most rewarding hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the cryptozoology community, considering how successful and popular they continue to be, even a quarter century after they were put forward.
The alternative to a hoax, if the photos show a genuine animal, is that a creature unafraid of humans, so big that it's two meters tall when it's kneeling, and that makes deep whoop noises, would have escaped all notice prior to 1971, and all cameras forever, except for once.
All while uniquely managing to avoid the paleontological record as well.
That's a bit too much of a stretch for me.
Your mileage may vary.
And so, my official skeptoid conclusion on the subject of the Florida skunk ape is that its existence, even its plausibility, has yet to be convincingly established.
It's a case where our best bet is to stick with the null hypothesis, meaning our default position pending evidence that compels us to move away from it.
And that default position, pending that elusive new evidence, is that no especially extraordinary, undiscovered megafauna exist in the depths of Florida's swamp country.
Skeptoid's Final Verdict 00:02:06
You know who else doesn't exist in Florida's swamp country?
Why, Skeptoid's premium supporters, such as Tim Vetter, Robin, Eric Davis, but not one of the famous ones, and Thomas Okerloon.
Pick up an autographed Skeptoid book or a t-shirt in our online store.
We've got all the styles, sizes, and colors at skeptoid.com slash store.
Many of our listeners have named Skeptoid Media in their will or other estate plan.
You can too.
By making a gift through your will, you ensure that others in your community will benefit from the trusted and valued programming we provide.
Learn more at skeptoid.com slash giving.
You're listening to Skeptoid, a listener-supported program.
I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com.
Hello, everyone.
This is Adrian Hill from Skookum Studios in Calgary, Canada, the land of maple syrup and moose.
And I'm here to ask you to consider becoming a premium member of Skeptoid for as little as $5 per month.
And that's only the cost of a couple of Tim Horton's double doubles.
And that's Canadian for coffee with double cream and sugar.
Why support Skeptoid?
If you are like me and don't like ads, but like extended versions of each episode, Premium is for you.
If you want to support a worthwhile nonprofit that combats pseudoscience, promotes critical thinking, and provides free access to teachers to use the podcast in the classroom via the Teacher's Toolkit, then sign up today.
Remember that skepticism is the best medicine.
Next to giggling, of course.
Until next time, this is Adrienne Hill.
From PRX.
Export Selection