Skeptoid - Skeptoid #817: Your Ghostliest Tales, Explained
Aired: 2022-02-01
Duration: 17:54


=== Ghostly Tales and Skeptical Solutions (08:12) ===

[00:00:03]  If you experience the loss of a loved one, how likely is it that you will see them after they die or even hear them speak to you?
[00:00:11]  We're going to find out because today we're going to hear some of your ghostly experiences that you've sent in and give each of them the skeptoid treatment.
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[00:01:09]  Your ghostliest tales explained.
[00:01:14]  On a show about urban legends, we often talk about the true science or true history behind random stories that you may or may not have heard.
[00:01:23]  But sometimes it's fun to bring this closer to home, to talk about your own personal experiences, stories that have actually happened to you.
[00:01:31]  And that's just what we're doing today.
[00:01:33]  I asked Skeptoid Premium members to send in their ghostliest tales.
[00:01:39]  And we're going to find out if I can get rid of the para and the super and expose the natural and the normal.
[00:01:48]  The phantasmic study partner We'll get started today with a story from listener Chris, who found himself astonished by an experience that some of you may have had as well.
[00:02:03]  Back in the early 2000s, I had a glass tube CRT monitor.
[00:02:07]  I was studying, and out of the corner of my eye, I saw a shadowy figure walking towards me.
[00:02:13]  Normally, when you look directly at something like this, it disappears.
[00:02:16]  But this thing was still there when I looked directly at the reflection.
[00:02:21]  In shock, I spun around and of course nothing was there.
[00:02:24]  But my studying had to stop for a few minutes so I could calm down.
[00:02:30]  So there are two basic possibilities here.
[00:02:32]  There was some kind of spectral presence, or there wasn't, and your brain tricked you into seeing one.
[00:02:38]  Spectral presences are not something that exists in the scientific literature, as there's never been a replicable and verifiable observation of one.
[00:02:48]  But brains tricking their owners into seeing something, on the other hand, fill volumes of textbooks in a number of disciplines, including neurology, psychology, and ophthalmology.
[00:03:01]  Since you were dealing with reflections, I'd toss optical physics into the mix.
[00:03:07]  If this was something that happened to you more than once, I'd start with the low-hanging fruit and book an appointment with an ophthalmologist.
[00:03:14]  There are a number of eye conditions that can cause you to see things, especially in your peripheral vision.
[00:03:20]  Some of these are treatable, and some of these are just a natural part of having human eyeballs.
[00:03:25]  Beyond that, if this is a one-time thing, the field of possibilities is just too broad for me, who wasn't there, to make a competent nomination for what might have happened.
[00:03:38]  The one thing I can say for sure, and which is the reason I ask you nice folks to send me these stories, is that every weird experience has potential explanations from the natural world.
[00:03:50]  Most of us in the world are not familiar with what all of these might be, and so we often turn first to the ones that are hammered into our heads every day by the cable networks.
[00:04:00]  The paranormal.
[00:04:02]  Well, no, there's a whole universe out there besides what's on television.
[00:04:09]  The Restless Door Slammer Next, we have another not too different story from Brian, who, in addition to sharing my first name, enjoyed a book that I loved myself and read a thousand times.
[00:04:25]  When I was a teenager, 40-something years ago, I was asked to house sit for family friends whose wife and mother had recently died.
[00:04:34]  The house was an old farmhouse that had been remodeled with a large addition and was out in the country.
[00:04:41]  I was sitting in the new part of the house reading Jonathan Livingston Seagull when suddenly a door on the other side of the house slammed with a loud bang.
[00:04:52]  It was cold outside, so no windows or outside doors were open to admit any wind.
[00:04:59]  I'm always fascinated by the inclusion in stories like this of the fact that someone in the family had recently died.
[00:05:06]  A door slamming mysteriously is one thing, but then why add, and oh, by the way, someone in the family recently died in case that helps solve the mystery of the slamming door.
[00:05:18]  What has one thing possibly got to do with the other?
[00:05:21]  By concluding that when someone dies, they come back as a ghost and start slamming doors, you're assuming that ghosts have this known established property.
[00:05:30]  Well, I can tell you one thing for a fact.
[00:05:33]  Ghosts have no known established accepted properties.
[00:05:38]  Not one.
[00:05:40]  Beyond that, since we know there were no people or animals in the house, the obvious candidate for slamming a door is air pressure.
[00:05:47]  It's impossible for me to speculate, but chances are that a thorough inspection by an HVAC professional could lay the likely blame.
[00:05:55]  You said this happened in the old part of the house, and perhaps the new addition had forced air ventilation.
[00:06:01]  There could have been pressure moving from the new part and leaking out of the old windows and doors and vents in the old section.
[00:06:07]  Like I said, impossible for me to know from my armchair, but an HVAC inspection is the first step.
[00:06:13]  There are plenty of avenues of investigation before we need to start asking whether anyone died recently.
[00:06:22]  The car from beyond.
[00:06:25]  Next, a creepy tale from Terry in New Braunfels, Texas, about his then-girlfriend's haunted car.
[00:06:34]  I persuaded my new girlfriend to spend the night with me.
[00:06:37]  She was a traditional girl, but her parents were passed away and she agreed.
[00:06:42]  Around 3 a.m., we were awoken by a repeating car horn just outside.
[00:06:46]  We found it was coming from her car.
[00:06:48]  She started it, the horn stopped, and she thought it was her parents coming down from heaven and drove away.
[00:06:54]  But an hour later, she changed her mind, drove back, and we're about to celebrate our 31st wedding anniversary.
[00:07:01]  The car didn't have a security system and it had never happened before or after.
[00:07:07]  This does not surprise me.
[00:07:08]  Not long ago, we inherited a suburban, probably 15 years old or so, from my late father-in-law.
[00:07:14]  One night, it decided to start blasting its horn.
[00:07:17]  I managed to get it shut off, but from that moment on, the horn would start going whenever the key was inserted.
[00:07:23]  His wife assured us that the car did not have an alarm and had never done anything like this.
[00:07:29]  A trip to the dealer revealed the culprit, an aftermarket alarm badly installed, probably by the dealer they'd originally bought the car from, and that they hadn't even known about.
[00:07:41]  My own experience is just an anecdote, of course, as is yours.
[00:07:46]  But they prove that people aren't always aware of weird, defectively installed car alarms that might act up in unexpected and unintended ways.
[00:07:55]  There was a 9-volt battery in the circuit in our case.
[00:07:58]  Maybe in yours there was something similar, and when the battery got low enough, it went crazy.
[00:08:03]  Who knows?
[00:08:04]  But regardless, we needn't yet close our minds to all but paranormal explanations.

=== The Theater Room Scream Mystery (07:18) ===

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[00:09:57]  The Phantom of the Theater Next, straight from the annals of the old Hollywood film vaults, comes an unsettling case of a haunted theater from Listener Jay.
[00:10:11]  Friends used to own and run a downtown movie theater.
[00:10:15]  After closing one night, I was with them in the projection booth when I heard a woman scream loudly from out on the seats.
[00:10:21]  My friends heard it too and said it was not the first time.
[00:10:25]  They all said a disused storage room near the business office that by general agreement was considered too creepy to go into.
[00:10:33]  Obviously, you know your friends and I don't, but the first thing that comes to my mind is they were messing with you.
[00:10:39]  Or maybe some employee was messing with all of you, knowing that the bosses had a friend up in the booth.
[00:10:44]  Obviously, the theater had a reputation for being haunted, which is better marketing than money can buy.
[00:10:50]  So any good employee there would be likely to leverage that at any opportunity.
[00:10:57]  I don't mean to sound cynical, but I assume you were fully conscious, so you actually did hear a scream.
[00:11:03]  That means someone screamed, or maybe played a recording of a scream, which could have been controlled from up there in the booth.
[00:11:11]  With a very good practical reason to create a scream at that moment, which is more likely?
[00:11:17]  That that's what happened?
[00:11:18]  Or that some ghost from beyond the grave somehow materialized and reproduced the sound waves from a human scream?
[00:11:26]  A prospect for which there is neither any precedent nor plausible theoretical basis.
[00:11:33]  The Visiting Will-O-Wisp What would you do if a spook light had a habit of traversing your apartment?
[00:11:41]  Listener Craig had to face that very decision.
[00:11:46]  At 1 a.m. in the dark of my living room, I was spooked by a ghastly, fast, wobbling light moving from one end of the apartment to the door.
[00:11:56]  At this point, I rolled my eyes thinking, oh great, here it comes.
[00:12:00]  Everyone's going to say, ball lightning.
[00:12:02]  The perennial mythical unknown that everyone believes is a real thing, but that has no consistent observation and no credible theory predicting its existence.
[00:12:12]  It took me a few minutes to figure out what it was.
[00:12:15]  It turned out to be a light from the rotating beacon on the George Washington Bridge in New York from two miles away.
[00:12:22]  It was casting an odd light that you could easily see and get spooked once your eyes were used to the dark.
[00:12:29]  Okay, I like that much better than ball lightning.
[00:12:32]  I had a friend with a very similar UFO experience.
[00:12:35]  He saw lights shooting past his apartment up in the sky almost every night.
[00:12:40]  Finally, I was over and we figured it out.
[00:12:42]  It was the reflected headlights of cars turning into his complex.
[00:12:46]  They reflected off one of those convex driveway mirrors and ran along a suspended power line as the car turned.
[00:12:54]  So simple once you figure it out, but such a compelling illusion.
[00:13:00]  The bereaved specter.
[00:13:03]  Next, a very frightening and quite real encounter experienced by listener Jesse.
[00:13:10]  One night, I was in my backyard listening to music.
[00:13:14]  I walked up to the back door and saw through the clear glass pane, clear as day, my deceased grandfather walk right past me into the room to my right.
[00:13:23]  Quickly, I opened the door and ran into the room only to find emptiness.
[00:13:27]  My grandmother and I were the only ones in the house.
[00:13:30]  There was absolutely no chance I misidentified her, as the first thing I did was immediately run to her room on the opposite side of the house.
[00:13:40]  Jesse, your experience is much more common than you might think.
[00:13:44]  Most people don't want to announce that they just saw a ghost, especially when everyone knows their loved one just passed away.
[00:13:50]  Such a story would be dismissed as just wishful thinking.
[00:13:55]  They're called bereavement hallucinations, and there's a substantial body of research on them.
[00:14:00]  In all, most people who lose their loved one, 56.6%, according to a meta-analysis of 21 studies, experience some type of bereavement hallucination.
[00:14:13]  Among elderly people, one survey found that more than 80% did.
[00:14:18]  And of those, a third reported that the apparition of their lost partner spoke in response to them.
[00:14:25]  Obviously, such experiences are far more dramatic and common than most of us would guess.
[00:14:31]  So your experience is not unusual.
[00:14:35]  In fact, it's the norm.
[00:14:38]  The results of the studies indicate that it's more likely to happen to people who knew each other for a long time and had a closer relationship, and also to people who are not doing well at coping with the loss.
[00:14:50]  I've no idea where you might fall on those spectra, but it can happen to anyone, and apparently quite often does.
[00:15:01]  And so, there we have it.
[00:15:03]  Six ghostly tales, and six, well, if not solutions, at least six suggestions for where to look next.
[00:15:11]  We won't always find it.
[00:15:12]  In many cases, with stories that happened years ago, there's insufficient evidence to draw any conclusions.
[00:15:18]  But at least we can always be assured that there are places to look in our world that are more likely than places outside of our world.

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