Skeptoid #727: Hunting the Mokele-Mbembe
Some believe this relict dinosaur still survives in parts of the Congo. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
Some believe this relict dinosaur still survives in parts of the Congo. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
| Time | Text |
|---|---|
|
Dinosaurs in Africa
00:08:10
|
|
| If you watch the TV cable networks, you've probably seen that teams of people go down to Africa in search of dinosaurs. | |
| One in particular called the Mokale Mabembe. | |
| And you were probably led to believe that these were serious scientists, paleontologists perhaps. | |
| Well, hate to burst your bubble, but they were young Earth creationists. | |
| Today we're going to find out why networks would be giving an infomercial to creationists seeking dinosaurs in Africa and whether there might really be any. | |
| Hunting the Mokale Mabembe is today on Skeptoid. | |
| A quick reminder for everyone, you're listening to Skeptoid, revealing the true science and true history behind urban legends every week since 2006. | |
| With over a thousand episodes, we're celebrating 20 years of keeping it focused and keeping it brief. | |
| And we couldn't have done it without your curiosity leading the way. | |
| And now we're even offering a little bit more. | |
| If you become a premium member, supporting the show with a monthly micropayment of as little as $5, you get more Skeptoid. | |
| The premium version of the show is not only ad-free, it has extended content. | |
| These episodes are a few minutes longer. | |
| We get rid of the ads and replace them with more Skeptoid. | |
| The Extended Premium Show available now. | |
| Come to Skeptoid.com and click Go Premium. | |
| You're listening to Skeptoid. | |
| I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com. | |
| Hunting the Mokele Mabembe Does a species of sauropod dinosaur still exist in the wilds of Africa? | |
| Some believe that it might. | |
| Today we call this cryptid the Mokele Mabembe, a local name for the beast, said to frequent the rivers and lakes of various parts of Africa, to live on vegetation, and to fiercely defend its privacy against human and animal intruders alike. | |
| Books are published on it. | |
| Television programs chronicle the expeditions of investigators searching for it. | |
| Today we're going to find out how belief in dinosaurs living in Africa has become, if not mainstream, at least not so far out on the fringe as we might expect. | |
| Sauropods were the large elephant-sized long-necked dinosaurs, a brontosaurus being one familiar example. | |
| The Mokele Mabembe is said to hide in the rivers and lakes of the Congo Basin and other places throughout Africa. | |
| In 1992, one Japanese film crew flying over a lake took some footage of something leaving a wide V-shaped wake as it moves across the surface of a lake. | |
| Though it was much too far away to make out any detail in the blurry standard definition video, it's often shown freeze-framed on a shot that shows what appears to be a long neck sticking out of the water ahead of a large blob. | |
| Most people who watch it feels it looks more like two people in a canoe. | |
| Well, one strike against this being a sauropod is that we now know they couldn't have spent time with their bodies submerged, as water pressure would have made it impossible for them to expand their lungs to breathe. | |
| Nevertheless, reliquods are nearly universally given as the identity of the Mokele Mabembe, hiding underwater in rivers and lakes. | |
| Yet, as noted, it is widely promoted as plausible, if not proven. | |
| Famous cryptozoologists have devoted volumes to attempting to prove this as fact. | |
| Expeditions to this day continue. | |
| And of course, Mokele Mabembe's greatest boost came from a 2009 episode of the TV show Monster Quest, which presented a team of people, described as scientists, who went to prove its reality. | |
| As the result of all this attention, there are two basic points that the average person on the street, who has heard of the Mokele Mabembe, knows about it. | |
| First, there are legitimate scientists interested in it and doing research on it. | |
| And second, the creature has a long history in the region and is well known to local residents. | |
| The average person, who's unfamiliar with the skeptical process and innocently watches TV science channels in good faith, can be easily forgiven for accepting both of these points. | |
| However, I would argue that there's an enormous red flag warning that a heavy dose of skepticism is warranted. | |
| You will not find Mokele Mabembe chewing on some plants in a pond at the zoo, and you will not find its bones mounted and labeled at your local natural history museum. | |
| African rangers do not encounter its carcass as they do elephants and rhinos. | |
| You will not even find it in any taxonomical reference of all the Earth's animals. | |
| The only other creatures of which these are true are Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. | |
| Thus, I would suggest that it's perfectly fair to go back and scrutinize our two points. | |
| First, that science has dedicated trained professionals to finding the creature. | |
| And second, that it's well known to the local populations and has a long history there. | |
| Let's start with this point. | |
| The first thing we learn is that Mokele Mabembe is only one specific name in a vast, incredibly vague field. | |
| Africa is big and enormously culturally diverse. | |
| The number of local legends throughout the continent is too large to count. | |
| For any creature you can imagine, a local legend somewhere matches it. | |
| In a land where real giants like hippos and elephants exist, of course there are going to be innumerable legends of other large beasts. | |
| Mokele Mabembe is just one, one whose name happens to have trickled down into Western literature and become known to Western cryptozoologists. | |
| But like all the others, no evidence supports its existence. | |
| It is, really, just another story. | |
| Tracking down the origin of the actual name, Mokele Mabembe, turns out to require quite a bit of detective work. | |
| The history is closely tied to Germany, as much of Africa was a German colony at the turn of the 20th century. | |
| In 1907, actual sauropod bones were discovered there, and that discovery is basically what triggered all the interest in potential relic dinosaurs still surviving. | |
| This notion was first put to paper in 1909 by Carl Hagenbeck, a German zookeeper, collector of exotic animals, and circus operator. | |
| In his book, Beasts and Men, he proposed that dinosaurs might still exist in Africa, and gave some vague anecdotes about having heard something about it, but he didn't give the name. | |
| That came a few years later, from the man who appears to be the original source for Mokele Mabembe. | |
| He was Captain Ludwig Freiherr von Stein-su Lausnitz, a German officer with the then German colony of Cameroon. | |
| In 1913, he was sent in command of a geographic expedition, and on that expedition, he first heard stories of the Mokele Mabembe. | |
| His account was not published due to the outbreak of World War I, but he did write the manuscript, which, so far as anyone knows, survives today only as quoted snippets given by later authors. | |
| The earliest I could find was from 1929 in the German language book Dragons, Legend and Science, by popular science author Wilhelm Bolshe. | |
| In Bolshe's book, Von Stein said the natives called the creature the Mokeleme Bembe and gave the following description. | |
|
The Real Source Story
00:08:07
|
|
| The animal is said to be of a brownish-gray color with a smooth skin, its size approximately that of an elephant, at least that of a hippopotamus. | |
| It is said to have a long and very flexible neck and only one tooth, but a very long one. | |
| Some say it is a horn. | |
| A few spoke about a long muscular tail like that of an alligator. | |
| Canoes coming near it are said to be doomed. | |
| The animal is said to attack the vessels at once and to kill the crews, but without eating the bodies. | |
| The creature is said to live in the caves that have been washed out by the river in the clay of its shores at sharp bends. | |
| However, there's one very important point that Bolshe also included in his book, and that was von Stein's belief that this was nothing more than local folklore and did not represent any actual animal. | |
| Bolshev was clear that von Stein wrote very cautiously that the creature probably existed only in the local residents' minds. | |
| In a world that can feel overwhelming, spreading thoughtful, evidence-based content is one of the best ways to make a positive impact. | |
| Ask your local public radio station to air the Skeptoid Files, a 30-minute radio-friendly version of Skeptoid that pairs two related episodes promoting real science, true history, and critical thinking. | |
| And in these challenging times for public media, we're offering these broadcasts for free to radio stations, available on the PRX Exchange or directly from Skeptoid Media. | |
| It's an easy ask. | |
| Just send a quick message to your station's programming director. | |
| By helping to bring the Skeptoid files to the airwaves, you'll help promote the essential skills we all need to tell fact from fiction. | |
| Just go to your local station's website, find the programming director's email address, or just their general email address. | |
| You can even use the telephone. | |
| I know that might sound crazy. | |
| It's an old legacy device that allows real-time voice communication. | |
| I know that's weird, but hey, it's an option. | |
| The world can feel chaotic, but you're not powerless. | |
| When you promote critical thinking, you can help your community tell fact from fiction. | |
| And that's how we shape a better future. | |
| In uncertain times, spreading good ideas can make you feel helpful, not helpless. | |
| Let's stand up for reason, truth, and understanding together. | |
| Get them to air the Skeptoid files from Skeptoid Media, available on the PRX Exchange, and they'll know what that is. | |
| Another German author, rocketry specialist Willi Ley, wrote a series of articles in German publications over the next couple of years, repeating von Stein's description of Mokele Mabembe. | |
| In 1935, Ley fled Germany to escape Nazism and resumed writing in English in the United States. | |
| In 1941, he wrote his first full-length book on cryptozoology, The Lungfish and the Unicorn, an excursion into romantic zoology. | |
| And this time, he also included the same caution that Bolshe gave, even using some of Bolshe's own language, Bolshe having died in the intervening years, that von Stein did not believe the Mokele Mebembe was a real animal. | |
| Vonstein's account hit the big time in 1955, with the French publication, followed by the 1958 English publication, of famed cryptozoologist Bernard Uvelmos, Magnum Opus, On the Track of Unknown Animals. | |
| Uvelmos, who, being French, was probably unaware of Bolshe, credited Villelet with providing von Stein's quotation, and also included a number of accounts from other German colonists in Cameroon who had been contemporaries of von Stein. | |
| Uvelmos' chapter on Mokele Mebembe, including variations on the name such as Mokale Muembe and Mabulu Mbembe, given by various authors, is the main source from which virtually all English language lore exists regarding the Mokele Mebembe. | |
| The one key point Uvolmos chose to omit, however, was Bolshe's extended inclusion of von Stein's belief that it was probably just local legend, and not a description of an actual animal. | |
| Therefore, all modern authors who have relied on Uvelmos as the primary source, and he is widely regarded as such, have missed out on the critical point. | |
| Pick up Uvelmos or any other later book on Mokele Mebembe, and you'll get the impression von Stein thought the creature was real. | |
| It's a good reminder to always go back and fact-check original sources. | |
| So although we can safely say that there's no reason to suspect any local legends about Mokele Mebembe are any more real than any others, one thing you'll often see or hear is a researcher showing a picture of a dinosaur to a local, and that local responding that yes, they're very familiar with it. | |
| Sounds pretty convincing. | |
| But even William Gibbons, one of the Mokele Mabembe believers featured on Monster Quest, pointed out that contaminated testimony is a problem, as pictures of sauropods have been circulated by Westerners throughout Africa for more than a century. | |
| He noted on one expedition that they rolled into a village with their camera crew and were greeted with, ah, these must be the people looking for the dinosaur. | |
| And when a picture of one was shown to a young man who readily recognized it, he explained that as an intelligent person in the world, he knows what a dinosaur is. | |
| The idea that a large number of Africans are somehow out of touch with the Bonnered World is both racist and painfully out of date. | |
| But the actual name Mokele Mabembe should be another matter. | |
| In the 1970s, reptile specialist James H. Powell Jr. took some time during one of his trips to do some investigating on the side, in the same general area where von Stein collected his original account. | |
| When Powell showed illustrations of a sauropod to the Cameroon locals, they did not recognize it as a local animal, and when he asked them about the name Mokele Mebembe, they had not heard of it. | |
| A local linguistic specialist offered him some slight variations of the name, though, which could be taken to mean mundane things like to bathe or to cry. | |
| Taken as a whole, the idea of a local legend serving as evidence that Mokele Mabembe is real pretty much fails all the tests. | |
| So what about our other point, that actual scientists regard it as real enough to mount expensive research trips hunting for it? | |
| Well, this does not appear to be the case either. | |
| I find no academic papers written on the question and no record of any research grants. | |
| What we do find, however, is a large body of literature written by young Earth creationists. | |
| In fact, both personalities featured on Monster Quest, William Gibbons and Robert Mullen, were young Earth creationists, and neither had any scientific credentials at all. | |
| Some young earthers feel if they could prove dinosaurs still exist, it would bolster their narrative that all of Earth's history took place within just the past 6,000 years. | |
| Anyone hunting through Africa searching for Mochale Mabembe today is far more likely to be a creationist, or even just a fan of cryptozoology, than a scientist. | |
| Stories like the Mochale Mabembe are part of what make life fun. | |
|
Skepticism as Medicine
00:02:57
|
|
| They offer the promise of something magnificent, something incredible, something truly paradigm-shifting. | |
| The idea of pushing aside some foliage to reveal a prehistoric monster foraging is enough to make your heart race. | |
| It's little wonder that such a story would generate web clicks and prompt a TV network to make a show. | |
| Even digging through these century-old books to research this felt like an adventure. | |
| My encouragement to all who feel as I do and who value stories like this is to enjoy the legend as much as you can. | |
| You must be careful to avoid the obvious pitfall, which is to mistake it for a fact, a fact which inevitably must fail to meet expectations and thus lose its magic. | |
| Stories are stories, not facts. | |
| And keeping that firmly in mind is how we give them the greatest freedom to flourish. | |
| And who flourishes more than Skeptoid's premium supporters? | |
| The 3D Rivet Boys, Ulf Hedlund, Mike Mella in Toronto, and Jesse G. Donnett. | |
| Remember, every episode has a transcript page on skeptoid.com that prints out into a nicely formatted PDF article and also has complete bibliographic references and further reading suggestions. | |
| So is there anything in this episode you want to see more about? | |
| Got you covered. | |
| Just find its transcript page at skeptoid.com. | |
| You're listening to Skeptoid, a listener-supported program. | |
| I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com. | |
| Hello, everyone. | |
| This is Adrienne Hill from Skookum Studios in Calgary, Canada, the land of maple syrup and moose. | |
| And I'm here to ask you to consider becoming a premium member of Skeptoid for as little as $5 per month. | |
| And that's only the cost of a couple of Tim Horton's double-doubles. | |
| And that's Canadian for coffee with double cream and sugar. | |
| Why support Skeptoid? | |
| If you are like me and don't like ads, but like extended versions of each episode, Premium is for you. | |
| If you want to support a worthwhile nonprofit that combats pseudoscience, promotes critical thinking, and provides free access to teachers to use the podcast in the classroom via the Teacher's Toolkit, then sign up today. | |
| Remember that skepticism is the best medicine. | |
| Next to giggling, of course. | |
| Until next time, this is Adrienne Hill. | |
| From PRX. | |