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Oct. 18, 2016 - Skeptoid
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Skeptoid #541: Defusing India's Ancient Atomic Blasts

The facts behind an urban legend claiming a nuclear war in India some 12,000 years ago. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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Ancient India Nuclear War Myth 00:10:16
This is a show that deconstructs urban legends, so people are challenging me all the time because they always think they've got the one thing that even I can't disprove.
One such legend is that ancient India had nuclear weapons technology, like thousands of years ago.
And then they repeat all the stuff they heard on YouTube that they think proves it.
Well, how do we deal with an assault on the intellect like this?
You're going to find out today on Skeptoid.
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Defusing India's ancient atomic blasts.
Today we're going to spin the globe around to India, to the eastern edge of the Great Thar Desert, where sits the ancient city of Jodhpur.
According to a popular story backed up by numerous articles online, indisputable evidence of an ancient nuclear war can be found throughout the region.
Some of it sounds rock solid and indisputable.
Could it possibly be true that the ancients figured out atomic weapons 8 to 12,000 years ago?
Today we're going to look at that evidence and see just how plausible this story might be.
To summarize the most popular version of the tale, a short distance west of Jodhpur is a region where radioactivity is so great that residents have long had high rates of cancer and birth defects, and that has now been cordoned off by the government.
In addition, an ancient city has been excavated that shows half a million people were killed by an atomic blast, the size of the Hiroshima bomb.
Archaeologist Francis Taylor is quoted as having said, It's so mind-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did.
The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare.
The ancient records she's referring to are from a great Sanskrit epic of ancient India titled The Mahabharata.
It appears to describe a nuclear war.
A single projectile charged with all the power in the universe, an incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor.
It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.
The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable.
Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.
After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected.
To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river.
This quote is discussed by an Indian historian, Kisari Mohan Ganguly, who says, Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees.
But the evidence doesn't stop there.
According to the online articles, near Bombay is said to be a giant crater, unexplainable except as the result of a huge thermonuclear detonation.
It's called Lonar Crater, and it's actually there, and it's, for real, definitely not volcanic.
Another piece of evidence is a pair of excavated ancient cities at Mohinjo-Daro and Harappa, with skeletons that are scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place.
People were just lying unburied in the streets of the city.
These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal.
With so much evidence, the story seems to be hard to dismiss.
But quite obviously, ancient atomic weapons are unimaginably inconsistent with human history.
A huge number of skills are required to make them that did not exist, as well as a lot of physics knowledge known to be totally incompatible with primitive knowledge the ancient Indians recorded.
Clearly, something must be amiss.
I began by trying to learn more about these archaeological discoveries at Mohinjo-Daro and Harappa.
Sadly, for the legend, there is nothing remotely like this story in any archaeological publications.
Archaeological information about the excavations of Mohinjo-Daro, Harappa, and other Indus Valley sites is widely available online and in print.
And there's simply no such thing as radioactive skeletons or skeletons in large numbers or holding hands or sprawled in any way that the archaeologists saw reason to print.
The next easiest thing to check would be those quotes from the Mahabharata.
At a minimum, I wanted to see the context of those passages.
I went to an online searchable Mahabharata to look for those quotes and couldn't find them.
Couldn't find anything even vaguely like them.
Could it be possible that whoever originated this tale made up its primary source?
Well, let's set that possibility aside for a moment and see what we can verify about the rest of the story.
How about the residual radioactivity west of Jodhpur?
There's one little fact that casts some pretty grave doubt on the claim that Jodhpur is in a zone with dangerously high radiation.
The story says we detect that radiation today and suffer high birth defects and cancer, left over from this nuclear war 8,000 to 12,000 years ago.
Radioactivity goes down over time, so if it's that lethal today, it would have been even more lethal 550 years ago when the city of Jodhpur was founded.
It would seem a poor choice to locate a new city.
However, Jodhpur was founded and has flourished ever since.
Furthermore, the vast majority of radioactive isotopes produced in a nuclear blast have extremely short half-lives measured in seconds, hours, or days, and are reduced to safe levels very quickly.
Those that pose the greatest threat to human health are cesium-137 and strontium-90, which have half-lives of 30 and 28 years.
So even these would have been reduced to well below the natural background level thousands of years ago.
Other long-lived isotopes are produced by nuclear explosions, but at much lower amounts.
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Note that despite the atomic destructions of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, no harmful radiation persists today in either city.
Put together all the radiation data, and we know for a fact, with no doubt, that any claims of modern radiation in India proving a prehistoric nuclear war are false.
So we have good reason to regard the entire story with great skepticism.
For example, the idea of an ancient city with half a million people west of Jodhpur.
Not very likely.
Geology Debunks Radiation Claims 00:04:27
There are no ancient cities anywhere in the region west of Jodhpur.
It's the Thar Desert and half a million people would be immense and pretty hard for archaeology to miss.
This part of the story has to be either dead wrong or made up.
But even that's not the only part of the geography that doesn't make sense.
If this was a nuclear war, it was practically a nationwide theater.
Mohinjo-Daro and Harappa are both about 500 kilometers from Jodhpur, one to the north and one to the west.
None of these places are anywhere near each other.
So how about this giant unexplained crater near Bombay?
Lonar Crater, which is some 775 kilometers southeast of Jodhpur, even farther away, is indeed a real crater.
Rim to rim, it measures about 1.8 kilometers.
It is blasted out of thick layers of volcanic basalt deposited over the plateau 66 million years ago.
If the crater was indeed formed by a nuclear blast 8,000 to 12,000 years ago, dating techniques should make this easy to determine.
For a long time, the accepted age of Lonar crater was 52,000 years, far too old to have been part of this alleged nuclear war.
This had been determined by thermoluminescence dating, which tells us when the sample was last molten.
But two newer measurements using argon-argon radiometric dating instead found older dates of 570,000 years and 656,000 years, with non-overlapping margins of error.
These older dates are also more in line with the amount of erosion the crater exhibits.
Which one is right?
But we don't know for sure yet, as only a few samples have been dated.
But we can say for sure that nothing at Lonar Crater can support a date as recent as 8,000 to 12,000 years ago.
Wherever the authors of these ancient nuclear war articles got that number, it certainly didn't come from anyone studying the geology.
The mineralogy and ejecta blanket evidence also proves a hypervelocity impact origin, not a bomb crater or volcano or anything else.
It was a hypervelocity strike of either a meteor or a comet.
There are no mysteries at Lonar Crater, and nothing there that could be shoehorned into consistency with a nuclear bomb.
It looks like every part of this story is fabricated.
So where did it come from?
Of the many copy and paste plagiarizations of the same article found online, only a few give any source, and that source is given as the World Island Review from January 1992.
There is no record of such a publication.
Nevertheless, we can still find Case 0, the original posting of this mysterious article, which was made to an alternative news website called KeelyNet in September 2000, but has since been removed.
Luckily, it's been archived to the conspiracy theory website Rince.com, where you can read the original article, without the later enhancements added by imaginative internet denizens.
One skeptical researcher tracked down the archaeologist mentioned in the article, Francis Taylor, and found that no such person has ever published anything in the archaeological literature.
The other person mentioned in the article was the, quote, historian Kisari Mohan Ganguly.
It turns out that the Mahabharata was translated into English in the late 1800s by a Babu Kisari Mohan Ganguly.
Nowhere is it recorded that he made any of the comments attributed to him, and it seems highly unlikely that he would have compared the mythical events to an atomic blast, as he lived long before they were invented.
The story of the ancient Indian atomic blasts was written by an anonymous author who gave a false attribution and provably made up quotes and the people he quoted.
This is consistent with only one kind of writing, fictional.
Consider this quote that the original article attributed to Ganguly.
Crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves.
Internet Hoaxers Keep It Classy 00:02:51
Sound familiar?
Think back to the 1991 film Terminator 2 Judgment Day.
Children look like burnt paper.
Black.
Thunderblast wave hits them.
They fly apart like leaves.
I think someone was inspired to write some nuclear war fiction.
Of course, there's no way to know for a fact if this line of dialogue was inspirational to our unknown author.
It's probably not the only time someone has used the leaves metaphor in this way, but it also wouldn't be the first time a movie inspired an urban legend.
We've talked about at least two other cases here on Skeptoid, episode 385 on the disappearance of Frederick Valentich and episode 526 on Sky Trumpets.
On the upside, it makes the internet lore a bit more colorful, and on the downside, it spreads misinformation that innocent readers take for truth.
To all future internet hoaxers, please keep it classy.
Write a good story, but please don't create a landmine of bad information.
The internet is a dangerous enough place as it is.
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