Skeptoid #238: More Hollywood Myths
Was John Wayne's cancer death caused by filming downwind of the Nevada Test Site? ...and other Hollywood rumors. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
Was John Wayne's cancer death caused by filming downwind of the Nevada Test Site? ...and other Hollywood rumors. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
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John Wayne's Cancer Myth
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| Today we're going to wrap our two-part series on Hollywood myths, deconstructing urban legends tied to famous movies. | |
| In this one, we'll end up getting stuck on a deeper dive into the famous belief that John Wayne's death by cancer was caused by his work on a film set Downwind from the Nevada Test Site, home to above-ground nuclear bomb tests. | |
| We're wrapping it up today on Skeptoid. | |
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| More Hollywood Myths. | |
| Today we have a few more myths to follow up our previous episode on Legends from the Silver Screen. | |
| Many of you responded with some others, most notably the claim that John Wayne's cancer death was the result of one particular movie shoot in the fallout zone of the Nevada test site. | |
| We'll look at that one in pretty good detail, but here are a few lighter tales to start with. | |
| The Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd. | |
| The story goes that if you watch The Wizard of Oz while listening to Pink Floyd's album Dark Side of the Moon, there are moments where they appear to synchronize where certain lyrics seem relevant to the on-screen action. | |
| This combination has been popularly dubbed Dark Side of the Rainbow. | |
| The band members and engineer Alan Parsons all deny it. | |
| It's one of those cases where for every moment that does seem to match up, there are a hundred other moments that don't, and no clear agreement among believers on what matches and what doesn't. | |
| People have claimed many such matches between various movies and albums. | |
| I'm not going to try and talk you out of this one. | |
| They're both works of art, and art is in the eye of the beholder. | |
| But if you want someone who knows to admit it was done deliberately, you're going to have to keep waiting. | |
| Three Men and a Ghost There's one myth that I almost didn't include because I was trying to stick to classic Hollywood, and this was such a stupid movie and an even stupider myth, but it seems to have grown long enough legs to warrant a mention. | |
| In Three Men and a Baby, the story goes that the ghost of a boy is visible standing in some curtains in the background. | |
| Screencaps are all over the internet if you want to take a look. | |
| But one of the deleted scenes shows a better view of the object, and it's a near-life-size cardboard cutout of Ted Danson wearing a tux and a top hat. | |
| Viewed out of focus and from across the room, the top hat looks like a young boy's must-up hair. | |
| If you try to look this up on the internet, it's almost impossible to find a page that does not also give the explanation. | |
| So I doubt you can find anyone who's heard of this myth but doesn't know about the cardboard cutout. | |
| Nevertheless, Ted Danson's indomitable star power seems to keep this one near the top of every list of Hollywood legends. | |
| Buried at the Magic Kingdom. | |
| This one isn't about a movie, but since Disney is a movie studio, I'll include a myth about their Magic Kingdom theme parks. | |
| The story goes that there are people buried at the parks, possibly including Walt Disney himself, said to be cryogenically preserved under Disney World. | |
| The stories are completely untrue. | |
| In fact, I couldn't find any credible evidence worthy of examination. | |
| If there is any, let me know. | |
| Walt himself was cremated, and his ashes reside at Forest Lawn in Los Angeles. | |
| But this leads us to a creepy fact that almost confirms the rumor. | |
| On many occasions, Disney security has caught guests scattering the ashes of deceased Disney fans at theme parks. | |
| Most of the evidence of this is anecdotal, as you're not likely to see Disney sending a press release to the newspapers. | |
| But once when police were called when a woman was seen doing this at the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, Disney employees began emailing bloggers and columnists who followed Disney that it happens quite frequently. | |
| So although you won't find anyone officially buried at the Magic Kingdom, the remains of its most enduring fans are everywhere. | |
| The Superman Curse There are various versions of the so-called Superman curse centering around the idea that anyone who plays Superman meets an untimely end. | |
| It's also said that George Reeves, the original television Superman, went crazy and thought he could actually fly and tossed himself from a building. | |
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Superman Crew Radiation Claims
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| That one's easily disproven. | |
| George Reeves died of a gunshot wound, ruled a suicide, but like so many suicides, enough of his loved ones said that he'd never do such a thing. | |
| That dark rumors of murder and hitmen persisted, as promoted by the 2006 movie, Hollywood Land. | |
| Although big screen Superman Christopher Reeve was paralyzed and died nine years later, his career flourished in the seven years since he'd last played Superman, and when he died, he died a much-beloved philanthropist and spokesman. | |
| Even George Reeves' career was doing well. | |
| The TV show had been renewed for another season when he died and was very successful. | |
| The other Supermen also serve as evidence that playing Superman is less of a curse than a blessing. | |
| The original movie serial Superman, Kirk Allen, was successful enough that he was typecast and chose to leave the industry, happily retiring to Arizona. | |
| Dean Kane of Lois and Clark is alive, well, and happy, as is Tom Welling of Smallville. | |
| Bud Collier played Superman on the radio for 11 years and in cartoons for two years, and went on to have a full and successful career. | |
| We should all be so super lucky to be stricken with such a super curse. | |
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| John Wayne and the Nevada Test Site So now we come to the big one, the myth that dozens of people ask me about since the first Hollywood Myths episode came out. | |
| Supposedly, John Wayne's death from cancer was caused by his work in the Utah desert in 1954 on the 1956 Howard Hughes film, The Conqueror, a movie widely regarded as Wayne's worst. | |
| The location near St. George, Utah is notorious for being downwind from the Nevada test site, where a large number of atomic weapons had been detonated in prior years, and thus was the recipient of much radioactive fallout. | |
| Wayne's co-stars Susan Hayward and Agnes Moorhead also died of cancer. | |
| In fact, by the time People magazine checked up on all 220 cast and crew for a 1980 article, 91 of them had contracted some form of cancer, and 46 had died of cancer. | |
| People's inspiration was apparently a 1979 article in the tabloid The Star by Peter Brinnan, who merely speculated about the coincidence without doing any real research. | |
| It was repeated by such newspapers as the New York Post and the Los Angeles Times. | |
| People went a step further, talking to a few experts and managing to track down the history of the cast and crew. | |
| This article was really what started the story. | |
| In fact, virtually anything you might find about this story takes its quotes directly from people. | |
| One of the most often borrowed was from an enthusiastic fallout activist, Dr. Robert Pendleton at the University of Utah, who said, With these numbers, the case could qualify as an epidemic. | |
| The connection between fallout radiation and cancer in individual cases has been practically impossible to prove conclusively. | |
| But in a group this size, you'd expect only 30-some cancers to develop. | |
| With 91, I think the tie-in to their exposure on the set of The Conqueror would hold up even in a court of law. | |
| But it didn't. | |
| At least not for residents of St. George, Utah, often referred to as the Downwinders, when attorneys went door-to-door in the 1970s. | |
| The Times of London reported that some 700 such lawsuits were unsuccessful. | |
| However, 10 years after the People magazine article, the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act was passed and has since paid out over $1.5 billion, including many payments to people who only had to prove that they lived in certain counties during a certain time period and had one of a list of approved diseases. | |
| Although this makes it sound like the link must have been proven, science doesn't depend on what politicians were able to convince bureaucrats to do. | |
| And what science has found, contrary to what's reported in virtually every article published on the subject, is that any link between the film crew's cancers and the atomic tests is far from confirmed. | |
| First of all, the numbers reported by People are right in the range of what we might expect to find in a random sample. | |
| According to the National Cancer Institute, in 1980, the chances of being diagnosed with a cancer sometime in your lifetime was about 41%, with mortality at 21.7%. | |
| And, right on the button, People's Survey of the Conqueror crew found a 41.4% incidence with 20.7% mortality. | |
| A 1979 study in the New England Journal of Medicine found no consistent pattern of correlation between childhood cancers and fallout exposure in the Utah counties, with the exception of leukemia. | |
| For reasons unknown, leukemia rates were about half that of the United States at large. | |
| But after the fallout period, this increased to just slightly above the normal rate. | |
| The authors were unable to correlate either leukemia or other cancers to fallout. | |
| Considering that the film crew spent only a few weeks there, instead of their whole lives like the people who were studied, it seems highly unlikely that they were affected. | |
| But we can't make that declaration for certain. | |
| The data we have for the film crew is totally inadequate. | |
| Most crucial factors are unknown, like age, age of incidence, types of cancer, heredity, dose response, and other risk factors each may have had, like John Wayne's smoking of five packs a day. | |
| And of course, cancer is not one disease. | |
| It is hundreds of different diseases. | |
| Plus, there's an obvious, alternate explanation. | |
| The cast and crew simply got old in those intervening decades. | |
| But what about Dr. Pendleton's gloomy remarks? | |
| In an email to researcher Dylan Jim Essen, a colleague of Pendleton's, Lynn Anspaw, said that Pendleton's reported comments were uncharacteristic, and she thought they were more likely the result of media sensationalism. | |
| According to her analysis of the fallout readings from the time and place of the Conquerors filming, she calculated that the crew received no more than one to four millirems of radiation, which was less than normal background levels. | |
| Pendleton himself had recorded high levels of radiation only when a fallout cloud was directly overhead the day following a test, and normal at other times. | |
| The most recent tests had been more than a year prior to the filming, so Anspaw's calculations are not surprising. | |
| From all the data we have, it was perfectly safe for the film crew, and their reported cancer histories show no unusual ill effects. | |
| So there we have it, another line of evidence that Hollywood myths are all just a part of the show. | |
| Please let it continue, for as the early writer Wilson Misner once said, In Hollywood, they almost made a great picture, but they caught it in time. | |
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