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Nov. 30, 2006 - Skeptoid
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Skeptoid #10: An Evolution Primer for Young Earth Creationists

Evolution 101 for Young Earth Creationists who want to know better. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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Debunking Evolution Myths 00:12:58
Today we've got a relatively simple but weighty piece of fare for you.
We have three common arguments against evolutionary biology often made by creationists.
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An evolution primer for young earth creationists.
Some young earth creationists may be concerned that some of their standard arguments against evolution sound dismissive or patronizing.
This is probably true in any debate.
It's common to frame your opponent's arguments as weakly as possible.
Sometimes this is done deliberately to make evolution sound ridiculous.
And sometimes it's done accidentally through ignorance of what evolution is and how it works.
Since misinformation and ignorance are poor platforms on which to build any conversation, I present the following Evolution 101 primer for the benefit of young earthers who want a correct, basic understanding of their foe.
I think the best way to do this is to dispel the three most common evolution myths.
Let's start with myth number one, men evolved from modern apes.
This is the oldest and wrongest misconception about evolution.
Nobody has ever suggested that one living species changes into a different, extant living species.
Some criticisms of evolution show illustrations that fraudulently purport to show what evolutionists claim.
That a salmon changed into a turtle, which changed into an alligator, which changed into a hippo, which changed into a lion, and then into a monkey, and then into a modern human.
Of course, such a theory would seem ludicrous.
That's because it's pure fantasy and has nothing in common with real evolution.
The diversification of species is like a forest of trees, sprouting from the proverbial primordial soup.
Many trees die out.
Some don't grow very tall.
Some have grown a lot over the eons and are still growing today.
Trees branch out and branches branch out themselves, but branches never come back together or combine from two different trees.
The path of a species evolution is shaped like the branch of a tree.
Not a doughnut, not a figure eight, not a ladder.
To embrace evolution, you need not, must not, think that a salmon turns into a zebra or that an ape turns into a man.
Those are different branches that have already separated and never come back together.
We've all seen the famous illustration where a monkey morphs into an ape that morphs into a caveman that morphs into Homo sapiens.
If you climb back down the tree branch, you will indeed find earlier versions of man where he was smaller, hairier, and dumber.
But it won't be a modern ape.
To find a modern ape, you'd need to go even further down the tree, millions and millions of years, find an entirely different branch, and then follow that branch through different genetic variants, past numerous other dead-end branches, past other branches leading to other modern species, and then you'll find the modern ape.
Never the twain shall meet.
Myth number two, evolution is like a tornado in a junkyard, forming a perfect 747.
This is a popular manifestation of the belief that evolution is basically just randomness, and so it would be impossible for complex structures to evolve.
Evolution does not make any argument remotely like that.
It is a gross misrepresentation of the natural processes upon which evolution is based.
Random mutations are one driver of evolution, but this argument completely omits evolution's key component, natural selection.
In reality, if a tornado went through a junkyard, you'd end up with worse junk, obviously, and not with a perfect 747.
No evolutionary biologist, or any sane person, has ever claimed that you would.
It's ridiculous.
In this analogy, the tornado is meant to represent the random element of evolution.
But genes don't mutate catastrophically all at once like a tornado.
Here's a more accurate way to use this analogy.
Imagine millions of junkyards representing any given population.
Now imagine a group of welders who walk carefully through each junkyard, twisting this, bending that, attaching two pieces of junk here, cutting something apart there.
They do it randomly and make only a limited number of small changes.
Sometimes they don't change anything.
This is a far more accurate representation of how genes mutate within an organism.
It's not a single cataclysmic tornado.
But now comes the natural selection.
Let's test every piece of junk in every junkyard.
Does anything work better?
Does anything work worse?
With millions of changes and millions of junkyards, it's inevitable that there will be some improvements somewhere.
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Part of natural selection is the eventual removal from the population of any organisms that are less well adapted.
So to simulate this, we're going to eliminate all the junkyards where the junk was worse after the welders made their mutations.
Natural selection gradually removes harmful mutations from the population, minimizing their proliferation.
This leaves only junkyards that are stable or that are improved.
To simulate the next generation of the species, we replicate all of our current improved gene pool of junkyards and again send in the welders.
They make a few random changes in each or no changes at all.
Each time this entire process happens, the population of junkyards improves relative to whatever natural selection pressures are being put on the junkyard.
And this doesn't happen just a few times.
It happens millions or billions of times.
The changes made by the welders are countless.
The vast majority of changes are either useless or make things even junkier.
But those rare few helpful changes are the ones that do the best, so they replicate and are represented more in the successive generations.
Since natural selection automatically filters out the poorly adapted junkyards and rewards those rare improved junkyards with additional procreation, our population of junkyards gets better and better.
Things start to take shape in the junkyards, useful things, stronger things, things with abilities that nobody could have predicted.
Any given piece of junk that improves is replicated in many junkyards and reappears in millions of slightly altered forms each time.
Pick the best version from each generation and you can watch the same piece of junk evolve into a better, stronger, more useful, and better adapted machine with more capabilities.
This is evolution.
Myth number three, evolution is just a theory.
First of all, if you believe that most biologists consider evolution to be just a theory, you're behind the times.
Almost all biologists call it a fact, and not because they feel any particular need to respond to young earthers.
Strictly speaking, evolution is, like all theories, both a theory and a fact.
The fact of gravity is that things fall, which we can observe.
Our theory of gravity explains why and how.
The fact of evolution is that species change over time, which we've observed over our planet's history.
The theory of evolution explains why and how they change.
But most people on the street aren't aware of the difference between a theory and a fact.
They tend to go by these words common usages and assume that they're hierarchical, like an idea becomes a hypothesis, which becomes a theory, which becomes a fact.
So anything that's, quote, just a theory, is not a fact.
That's wrong, but it's what most non-scientists assume.
When young earthers use the term theory to disparage evolution, they really should be using the word hypothesis.
A hypothesis is a provisional idea, a suggested explanation that requires validation.
A theory is well beyond that stage, though.
In order to qualify as a theory, evolution had to meet the following criteria.
A theory must originate from and be well supported by experimental evidence.
It must be supported by many strands of evidence and not just a single foundation.
A theory must be specific enough to be falsifiable by testing.
If it cannot be tested or refuted, it can't qualify as a theory.
A theory must make specific, testable predictions about things not yet observed.
And a theory must allow for changes based on the discovery of new evidence.
It must be dynamic, tentative, and correctable.
Notice that last one, tentative, correctable, and allowing for future changes.
Young earthers often point out that the theory of evolution is incomplete, like any theory, as if this disproves it.
To be a theory, evolution must be incomplete by definition, and, no pun intended, constantly evolving.
Our theory of gravity is constantly evolving.
Just a few of the major improvements to the theory were proposed by Galileo, then later by Newton, and then later by Einstein.
So that's the real science behind the three most common criticisms of evolutionary theory.
If you're a young earther and you're going into a debate armed with these arguments, knowing the scientific explanations in advance will behoove you.
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