Skeptoid - Skeptoid #5: Sustainable Sustainability Aired: 2006-11-01 Duration: 11:22 === The Vague Meaning of Sustainable (10:12) === [00:00:03] Sustainability is a popular theme in science. [00:00:07] But unfortunately, like so many buzzwords, it has come to be overused to the point of becoming essentially meaningless. [00:00:14] When marketers slap the label sustainable onto virtually every product or service, does the word have any meaning at all anymore? [00:00:23] Sustainable sustainability is coming right up on Skeptoid. [00:00:34] A quick reminder for everyone, you're listening to Skeptoid, revealing the true science and true history behind urban legends every week since 2006. [00:00:45] With over a thousand episodes, we're celebrating 20 years of keeping it focused and keeping it brief. [00:00:52] And we couldn't have done it without your curiosity leading the way. [00:00:55] And now we're even offering a little bit more. 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[00:02:06] To label your product or processes sustainable is to imply that competing products and processes are not sustainable. [00:02:14] What this is intended to mean is often pretty vague. [00:02:17] Presumably it means that competing products are manufactured from materials that we'll run out of should current methods and usage continue. [00:02:27] The word was first coined to describe products or methods that are generally better for the environment. [00:02:33] Soon, the marketing gurus got a hold of the word and now everything from toothpaste to music to real estate is being sold as sustainable. [00:02:43] Search Amazon for the word sustainable and prepare to be amazed by the diversity of products whose marketers have jumped onto this particular buzzword bandwagon. [00:02:54] It's so effective and thus popular because it's become really just an alarmist term. [00:02:59] Calling your product sustainable is not really saying anything about your product. [00:03:04] It's clanging the warning bell about the alternative being unsustainable. [00:03:09] Can't be sustained. [00:03:10] The world is ending. [00:03:12] It's like calling your product hate-free or cruelty-free. [00:03:17] In no way is it descriptive of your product. [00:03:20] It's simply an underhanded way to insult your competition. [00:03:24] As any marketing expert will tell you, people respond much better to a negative than to a positive. [00:03:31] One gross overusage of the term is sustainable agriculture when used by those selling organic crops. [00:03:38] Perhaps the word's single most common manifestation. [00:03:42] Organic agriculture is certainly sustainable so long as a third of the world's population is willing to die off so the rest of us can eat. [00:03:50] As with many people who use the word sustainable, proponents of organic foods aren't really saying anything particular about their product. [00:03:58] They're trying to frighten you into thinking that modern farming practices will somehow destroy or deplete the environment and are thus unsustainable. [00:04:08] Ironically, the reverse is closer to the truth. [00:04:11] Modern biotech crops require less fertilizer and less pesticide. [00:04:16] Many are drought-tolerant and can get by with less water, and per acre yields have skyrocketed. [00:04:22] Organic, the so-called sustainable method, loses on all counts of resources consumed. [00:04:31] The word organic is itself the same kind of deceptive marketing, intended to trick you into thinking the alternative is somehow not organic. [00:04:40] Strictly speaking, all plants and animals are organic, according to the word's true definition. [00:04:45] It's another great example of the same basic lesson. [00:04:48] When you hear any product defined only by a vague buzzword, especially one that's grossly overused, be skeptical. 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[00:05:55] I know that might sound crazy. [00:05:56] It's an old legacy device that allows real-time voice communication. [00:06:01] I know that's weird, but hey, it's an option. [00:06:04] The world can feel chaotic, but you're not powerless. [00:06:07] When you promote critical thinking, you can help your community tell fact from fiction. [00:06:12] And that's how we shape a better future. [00:06:14] In uncertain times, spreading good ideas can make you feel helpful, not helpless. [00:06:21] Let's stand up for reason, truth, and understanding. [00:06:25] Together, get them to air the Skeptoid files from Skeptoid Media, available on the PRX Exchange, and they'll know what that is. [00:06:39] The word sustainable has become so pervasive that its usage is often just plain silly. [00:06:44] Colgate recently purchased a company that makes sustainable toothpaste. [00:06:48] It contains bone powder. [00:06:51] Does an intelligent person really think that it's unsustainable to make toothpaste any other way? [00:06:58] Sustainable tourism is being marketed everywhere. [00:07:01] It usually describes destinations where the attractions are generally undeveloped, like the Amazon. [00:07:08] Is it really unsustainable to vacation in developed destinations like Paris or Tokyo? [00:07:14] Certainly, a cogent argument could be formed saying that it's best to shield the undeveloped areas from the impact of tourism. [00:07:23] Sustainable economics are particularly bizarre. [00:07:26] Google the term and you'll find that it's used largely to refer to wealth redistribution. [00:07:32] In the history of world economies, has communism really proven to be more sustainable than capitalism? [00:07:39] There may be fine arguments to make in favor of wealth redistribution, but that such a system should be expected to survive longer is certainly not the case. [00:07:50] A prominent automotive magazine recently tested for sustainable sports sedans. [00:07:56] Are four cars that get marginally better gas mileage than other similar cars, none of which are particularly great, honestly the only type of vehicles whose production can be sustained. [00:08:08] Eventually, all our cars will run on fuel that truly is sourced from an infinitely sustainable way. [00:08:14] But until we get there, it's disingenuous to say some current cars are sustainable and some aren't. [00:08:22] Sustainable music is also all over the internet. [00:08:25] In one case, it means the guy makes his own instruments. [00:08:29] Is sustainable really the word that best describes that? [00:08:33] Playing an instrument made by someone else is not sustainable? [00:08:37] In other cases, it refers to songs about anti-corporatism. [00:08:40] Is it truly impossible to sustain the playing of music about other themes? [00:08:46] These may all be fine subjects, but they should be recognized on their merits, not for their association with a buzzword. [00:08:55] I found a website offering sustainable real estate. [00:08:58] Two of the houses were built of corn cobs and hay bales. [00:09:02] I'll ask the big bad wolf how sustainable that type of engineering is. [00:09:09] There's no doubt that doing things in a truly sustainable way is good. [00:09:14] Accomplishing a worthy goal in a way that's infinitely repeatable is best, and that's what sustainable really means. [00:09:20] True sustainability might violate the laws of thermodynamics, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. [00:09:26] It's still a good goal, and as such, sustainability deserves not to be deluded into a meaningless buzzword. [00:09:33] Thus, true environmentalists should be the first ones to object to the misleading pop culture usages of the word that we see every two minutes. [00:09:43] When you hear it, be skeptical. [00:09:46] Figure out what they're really trying to say and what their motivation is. [00:09:50] And please, don't buy any bone powder toothpaste just because it says sustainable on the package. [00:10:02] You're listening to Skeptoid, a listener-supported non-profit program. [00:10:07] I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com. === Don't Buy Bone Powder Toothpaste (01:06) === [00:10:15] Hello, everyone. [00:10:16] This is Adrian Hill from Skookum Studios in Calgary, Canada, the land of maple syrup and mousse. [00:10:24] And I'm here to ask you to consider becoming a premium member of Skeptoid for as little as $5 per month. [00:10:33] And that's only the cost of a couple of Tim Horton's double-doubles. [00:10:37] And that's Canadian for coffee with double cream and sugar. [00:10:42] Why support Skeptoid? [00:10:44] If you are like me and don't like ads, but like extended versions of each episode, Premium is for you. 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