Sean Hannity Show - Iran After the Fall: Who Leads Next? Aired: 2026-03-04 Duration: 28:46 === Organized Resistance Rising (14:33) === [00:00:00] This is an iHeart podcast. [00:00:02] Guaranteed human. [00:00:04] Hour two, Sean Hannity Show, toll-free. [00:00:06] It is 800-941, Sean. [00:00:08] If you want to be a part of the program, I mean, this was a spectacular day today for both Israel and the United States. [00:00:18] And what they've been able to pull off today is remarkable. [00:00:22] Israel's striking Iranian leadership. [00:00:25] They were there to choose Ali Khamenei's successor. [00:00:29] More than 40 more senior Iranian officials, leaders killed since, you know, Operation Epic Fury began on Saturday. [00:00:38] And this was supposed to be the next generation. [00:00:41] Israel leveled the building where the clerics gathered to select Iran's new supreme leader. [00:00:48] Here to talk about the future of what Iran may look like. [00:00:53] The president thinks this could go on four to five weeks. [00:00:56] Ali Reza Jafarzadeh is with us, is the deputy director of the National Council of Resistance of Iran. [00:01:06] And Shuhin Gobadi is the spokesperson for the People's Mujahideen organization of Iran. [00:01:12] And welcome both of you to the program. [00:01:15] I guess I'll start with you, Ali Reza. [00:01:18] Let me ask you, where do you see this going? [00:01:20] And do you see a new leadership emerging now that the clerics get taken out in massive numbers? [00:01:26] This is now the second massive attack against the leadership. [00:01:29] Thank you so much, Sean, for having me on your show. [00:01:33] I fully agree with you that this regime must be brought down by the people of Iran, and they're not going to leave the scene. [00:01:43] Now, in terms of the after the death of Khamenei, the process for choosing the next leader, I think in reality, that's a moot process because after the death of Khamenei, this is really the end of the religious theocracy. [00:02:00] This is the end of the regime. [00:02:02] No matter who they're going to put in place, how much temporary oxygen is left for them, this era is over. [00:02:10] The game is over. [00:02:12] Now, the question is, how would the change happen inside the country by the people? [00:02:17] And I fully agree with you. [00:02:18] At the end of the day, it's those resistance forces on the ground who've been confronting the revolutionary guards that are going to determine the future of the country. [00:02:30] Interestingly, just last week on Monday, five days before the Khamenei's death, the forces, organized forces of the main Iranian opposition movement, the Mujahidi Khadi MEK, launched a massive strike against the headquarters of the Supreme Leader Khamenei, inflicting heavy casualties on the revolutionary guards. [00:02:56] And 100 members of the MEK were either killed or arrested, but another 150 managed to leave the country. [00:03:04] And most importantly, the leader of the movement, the president of the NCRI, is a woman, Mrs. Maryam Rajevi, who called for, she announced the provisional government for the transitional period to transfer sovereignty from the repressive rulers of Iran to the elected representatives of the people of Iran. [00:03:26] And she and her message made it very clear that when it comes to the armed forces, they need to take sides with the people of Iran. [00:03:35] When it comes to revolutionary guards, because they've been heavily involved in keeping this system in power, they need to lay down their arms and surrender to the population. [00:03:45] Now, Shuhin Gobadi, I know you put out an ex-post talking about Maryam Rahavi and Newt Gingrich described this woman as the woman-led resistance of the Iranian regime, the one they fear the most. [00:04:01] And women in the political arena can be very potent transformational figures and a transformational force. [00:04:09] He said, I know this firsthand from almost 50 years of challenging, you know, in a challenging field of politics. [00:04:16] Is this somebody, a dark horse that maybe the world doesn't know about now that could rise to power? [00:04:22] Yes, Sean, first of all, thanks for having me in your show. [00:04:25] Yes, definitely. [00:04:26] You see, Madame Maryam Rajevi has been fighting, as you said, for almost more than 50 years against both the Shah's dictatorship and the mullahs' tyranny. [00:04:36] And she has established a very viable alternative, the National Council of Resistance of Iran, in which 50% of the senior officials are women. [00:04:45] And actually, she has introduced a 10-point plan for transferring sovereignty to the people of Iran. [00:04:51] And that plan basically calls for separation of government and religion, for gender equality, universal suffrage, a non-nuclear Iran, mutual, amicable, amiable relationship with the rest of the world. [00:05:03] And very telling me, 4,000 parliamentarians, including majority members of the U.S. House of Representatives, in a bipartisan way, have endorsed her plan. [00:05:11] And she has also a very strong network of activists inside Iran. [00:05:17] So in fact, she has been basically establishing a groundwork for the transitional period and a blueprint or roadmap for that time. [00:05:28] So there will not be any chaos when the mullahs are out and Iranian people take control of the country that belongs to them first and foremost. [00:05:35] Well, we do have to worry about holdovers, don't we? [00:05:38] There are still probably remaining loyalists to the dead clerics and supreme leader that probably will be problematic moving down the road, no? [00:05:48] Absolutely, yes. [00:05:49] You have a very good observation there. [00:05:51] But you see, then the history has shown us that when basically it becomes quite evident that the mullahs have reached the end of the road and they're growing signs to that, as you know, the rats jump the ship. [00:06:03] And that has been the case in many, many cases in history. [00:06:08] And I'm sure it will happen in Iran. [00:06:10] And as Ali Reza said, we have Arizona army. [00:06:13] It will be on the side of the people, but the IRDC has to surrender to the people. [00:06:17] But to your point in specific, there has been an uptick of activities of the resistance units in the past couple of years, and particularly in the last few weeks. [00:06:26] And they take on the besieged paramilitary offices and a lot of the regime signs. [00:06:32] So indeed, the Iranian people, at the end of the day, will overcome the IERDC and overwhelm them. [00:06:39] And that's the only way that they can arrest the control of the country and a new day in Iran. [00:06:45] So I totally agree with you that the key factor at the end of the day would be the Iranian people and the organized resistance who have to overwhelm IERGC, whoever still decides to be on the side of the mullahs and take the country back. [00:06:59] Ali Reza, they're not going to be able to do that with slingshots. [00:07:02] At some point, the people that had taken to the streets in massive numbers that were slaughtered by the tens of thousands, you can't win a revolution with a slingshot. [00:07:14] At some point, they are going to need to be armed to take out the remaining loyalists that would exist. [00:07:20] I agree with you, Sean, but the problem regarding Iran over the years has not been that the people didn't have arms. [00:07:28] We had several problems. [00:07:30] Number one, there was this policy of appeasement by the West that constantly it's a massive problem that they haven't been armed. [00:07:38] That's why, you know, when Ali Khamani, you know, sent out the guards to quell the people that were out there protesting, they were mowed down. [00:07:47] They had no way to defend themselves. [00:07:49] No, no, my point is that now the situation has changed and the people, the resistance are armed. [00:07:57] You know, I just mentioned about the massive... [00:08:00] You're saying that the majority of the resistance is armed? [00:08:04] And if so, how have they been armed? [00:08:05] By the Kurds? [00:08:07] No, not the majority, but a good number are actually armed. [00:08:11] You know, you had 250 of them attacking the headquarters of the Supreme Leader. [00:08:17] However, once the momentum shifts, there is plenty of arms in Iran. [00:08:24] We had a lot of reports during the uprising, the protest last month, that people were, number one, disarming the Revolutionary Guards, second, attacking the places where they had the armed depot and ammunition, taking away arms from them. [00:08:39] Plus, adding to that, you have areas where the minorities, the nationalities have easier access to arms. [00:08:48] You mentioned the Kurdish region. [00:08:51] The border regions are probably more accessible to arms. [00:08:56] So that's the life. [00:08:58] I think once the momentum shifts, you will see how everyone is actually looking for it and they'll find a way to do it. [00:09:06] But the most important element is that you need to have an organization on the ground. [00:09:11] And just the arms itself doesn't help you. [00:09:14] The good news is that that organization does exist. [00:09:17] You know, the main opposition movement, the MEK, which is the same movement that exposed all the major nuclear sites of Iran, and they have a history of fighting the regime over the years. [00:09:28] And they have tremendous organizational capabilities. [00:09:33] They were, you know, they had an army, a powerful army, resistance army known as the National Liberation Army of Iran. [00:09:40] They know how to fight the Ayatollahs. [00:09:43] The most important thing is once the policy is shifted in favor of those who are standing up against the regime, that are recognizing the legitimacy of those on the ground to fight the revolutionary guards, you can see how much space it creates for the younger generation to join forces with the resistance units on the ground, with the MEK, to expand the network. [00:10:09] Even that during the uprising in January, we saw many evidences of that, that a lot of the young people joined the organized force on the ground. [00:10:19] And even though the regime killed so many people, but they actually expanded the recruitment. [00:10:25] And there are more people on board with this movement than there were even two months ago. [00:10:30] So that's the, you know, the momentum shift that really changes everything. [00:10:38] Shuhan, I would argue that the best thing that could probably happen is they overwhelm the remaining Revolutionary Guard forces and get into the munitions cache and take out as many of their weapons as possible. [00:10:55] Do we have any indication about how many people remain loyal to the now dead regime that may be carrying out more murder of innocent people the way they had been in the lead up to this conflict? [00:11:07] Obviously, I don't have an exact figure, but I think what you said, Sean, makes a lot of sense. [00:11:12] That at one point, what you said becomes inevitable. [00:11:16] As we saw in the last days of people getting of the previous dictatorship in Iran during the Shah, this is exactly what happened. [00:11:23] But the big difference at this time, this is much more organized and much more focused. [00:11:28] And one indication is that, as we witnessed in the 40th ceremonies of those who were slain, and thousands upon thousands, as you mentioned, is that this mood of rage and people waiting for the moment to take things in their own hands. [00:11:43] And now this being more organized, obviously the tactics will be decided as the situation on the ground dictates. [00:11:50] But as I mentioned, even in the past few days, despite what's going on, we have seen an uptick of activities of resistance units going after this siege, which is like the local militias controlling the areas, taken over by the resistance units. [00:12:07] So things are moving in that direction. [00:12:09] And I'm sure at one point, the power of the people who are much more organized around MEK would overwhelm IRDC and whoever still hopes to cling on the Ayatollah's rule. [00:12:21] But the projection is exactly the way you said it. [00:12:25] Ali Reza, where does Reza Bahlavi sit in this equation, if at all? [00:12:31] Well, the only connection Reza Hahlavi has to Iran is his father, the dictator that was deposed by a genuine popular revolution. [00:12:41] Millions of people came to the streets, overthrew that dictatorship. [00:12:47] Why? [00:12:47] Because Shah had the secret police Sabat that put intellectuals in jail. [00:12:52] Shah built the notorious Eben prison. [00:12:55] He dissolved all of the political parties that were allegiant to him anyways and created one single party called Rastaqiz and asked everyone to either join that party or go to jail or get your passport and leave the country for good. [00:13:10] It was extremely corrupt and that really led to the revolution. [00:13:15] So he is actually representing the past of Iran. [00:13:19] No one is interested in that. [00:13:21] Every time that he's interviewed and he's asked about his father, the rule of his father and grandfather, he says that basically that's a different narrative. [00:13:31] I'm not going to talk about the past. [00:13:33] I'm always about the future. [00:13:35] He refuses to reject the dictatorship of the Shah. [00:13:39] Second, we talk about the national minorities in Iran. [00:13:44] You know, about at least 40% of the Iranian population are the Kurds, the Baluchis, the Arabs, the Azeris, the Loors, and others. [00:13:53] All of them are vehemently opposed to the Pahlavi dynasty that badly suppressed them. [00:13:59] Is the Reza Shah, Muhammad Hahlabi, as bad as the current theocracy? [00:14:05] And they're all opposed to it. [00:14:07] Interestingly, Jennifer. [00:14:08] Well, I want to see how this plays out. [00:14:10] I mean, our hope is that there'll be a democratic republic and a duly elected government, and people will be able to hear from various factions and hopefully choose a better path for their future. [00:14:21] But that's going to have to happen from within. [00:14:24] That's not going to be America that does it. [00:14:26] That's not going to be any country in the region that does it. [00:14:29] It's going to be up to the Iranian people what kind of future they want. === Iranian Enrichment Demands (07:52) === [00:14:33] That's for sure. [00:14:34] And obviously, there'll be some varying political factions that will be fighting for the hearts and minds of the people of Iran. [00:14:42] I hope they choose wisely. [00:14:44] This may be their only opportunity. [00:14:46] Thank you both. [00:14:47] Appreciate it. [00:14:48] Thank you, Ali Reza. [00:14:50] Thank you, Shuhin. [00:14:52] We appreciate you both being with us. [00:14:54] Quick break, right back. [00:14:55] We'll continue on the other side. [00:14:56] It was fascinating to get an inside glimpse into the negotiations, especially after Midnight Hammer and 14 bunker buster bombs by Donald Trump taking out and obliterating Iran's nuclear sites. [00:15:11] This after Israel wiped out their nuclear scientists, wiped out their air defense systems, their ballistic missile systems. [00:15:20] I mean, just absolutely decimated the country, both Israel and the U.S. in that first effort maneuvers. [00:15:28] They controlled the entire sky. [00:15:30] This goes back to last June. [00:15:32] And, you know, and then you would think the Iranians might have learned that they're just outmatched. [00:15:39] They learned nothing. [00:15:40] And here's Steve Witkoff, Middle East envoy, describing in detail him and Jared Kushner meeting with the Iranians and saying, you can't have nuclear weapons. [00:15:49] Donald Trump has been very clear, but they just cling to this notion. [00:15:53] We're clinging to the notion that they could. [00:15:56] Well, how did that end up for them? [00:15:58] Listen. [00:15:59] The world's number one state sponsor of terror is getting dismantled right before our very eyes is history in the making. [00:16:06] This is the very same regime that tried to assassinate President Trump, not once, but twice. [00:16:11] They have now lost their supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, and almost everyone else in his inner circle, 40 total. [00:16:18] Trump told ABC, quote, I got him before he got me. [00:16:22] They tried twice. [00:16:24] I got him first. [00:16:25] Here with more on what led up to this Operation Epic Fury, our special envoy to the Middle East, front of the program, Steve Witkoff, is with us. [00:16:33] All right, you're in the room with these negotiators, and I know you. [00:16:37] You are a deal maker. [00:16:39] The president wanted a deal. [00:16:40] You ought a lot of latitude in that room. [00:16:42] Bring us inside that room. [00:16:45] First of all, Sean, thanks. [00:16:46] Good night. [00:16:47] Good evening, and thanks for having me. [00:16:49] So just to give you a little bit of a taste for how these three days of negotiations went, three separate times, Jared and I opened up with the Iranian negotiators telling us they had the inalienable right to enrich all their nuclear fuel that they possessed. [00:17:08] That's how they opened up. [00:17:10] We, of course, responded that the president feels we have the inalienable right to stop you, dead in your tracks. [00:17:18] They then went on to say that beyond the inalienable right to enrich, that that was going to be their starting point. [00:17:30] And Jared and I just sort of looked at ourselves flummoxed and said, well, we're really in for it now. [00:17:37] Well, let me get a little in the weeds if we can. [00:17:41] My understanding was you got to a point where you were discussing enriched uranium at very low levels for civilian purposes, although I don't think they really need it because they have all the energy they'd ever want. [00:17:54] But did that come up? [00:17:56] Was that offer made to them? [00:17:59] We discussed with them 10 years of no enrichment whatsoever, and we would pay for the fuel. [00:18:06] And it was flatly rejected. [00:18:08] And the president said before to have a good faith negotiation. [00:18:12] Pardon me? [00:18:13] You're saying that we would give it to them? [00:18:17] And they rejected that? [00:18:18] They actually had that, and they rejected that, which told us at that very moment that they had no notion of doing anything other than retaining enrichment for the purpose of weaponizing. [00:18:32] You made a statement last week, and when I heard it, and I've known you for a long time, and you are a friend, and when you made the statement that, in fact, they may be a week away from possibly having capability, at that moment, I interpreted that to mean it's go time, it's over. [00:18:52] Was I wrong? [00:18:52] Was that the moment that it was over? [00:18:55] Well, I don't know if that exact moment it was over, but I know this. [00:18:59] They have 10,000 roughly kilograms of fissionable material. [00:19:04] That's broken up into roughly 460 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium, another 1,000 kilograms of 20% enriched uranium, and the balance is at 3.67. [00:19:18] They manufacture their own centrifuges to enrich this material. [00:19:23] So there's almost no stopping them. [00:19:25] They have an endless supply of it. [00:19:27] The 60% material, Sean, can be brought to 90%, that's weapon grade, weapons grade, in roughly one week, maybe 10 days at the outside. [00:19:39] The 20% can be brought to weapons grade inside of three to four weeks. [00:19:45] And let me say this because I forgot this small little detail. [00:19:49] In that first meeting, both the Iranian negotiators said to us directly, with no shame, that they controlled 460 kilograms of 60%, and they're aware that that could make 11 nuclear bombs, and that was the beginning of their negotiating stance. [00:20:11] So they were proud of it. [00:20:13] They were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs. [00:20:22] What I wouldn't do to be a fly on the wall in that room, because Steve, you're a negotiator. [00:20:29] You've run the most successful businesses, built some of the most beautiful golf courses. [00:20:34] It defies all logic and reason for them to sit there as if Midnight Hammer never happened and dictate to you that the one thing that President Trump insisted on, they can't get a nuclear weapon. [00:20:48] They're going to go forward anyway. [00:20:50] How stupid are they? [00:20:51] Were they? [00:20:52] They're gone now. [00:20:54] Well, it was pretty silly, but they thought they could strong arm us. [00:20:58] You know, President Trump sent me and Jared there to really determine on his behalf whether they were serious about doing a deal that addressed his objectives, which are elimination of their missile program, elimination of their advocacy and support for proxies, which is destabilizing the entire Middle East, [00:21:22] elimination of their Navy so we can have freedom of the seas and not be threatened with the shutdown of the Gulf of Hormuz. [00:21:30] And finally, no nuclear enrichment that can get them to weapons grade, which means no nuclear bomb. [00:21:38] And we went in there and tried to make a fair deal with them. [00:21:41] And it was very, very clear that it was going to be impossible probably by the end of the second meeting. [00:21:49] But we then went back for the third meeting just to give it the last college try. [00:21:53] And of course, they thought they wanted us to report positivity. [00:21:59] It was not positive that meeting. [00:22:02] Oh, Steve Witkoff, I know you've been flying all over the globe. [00:22:06] And, you know, on your own time, I think people do need to know that, if you don't mind me telling people, serving your country, serving the president, doing your best to bring peace to the world. [00:22:17] They brought this action on themselves. [00:22:20] You gave them every opportunity to take the exit ramp off. [00:22:24] They decided not to. === Iranian Protests Echoing (05:52) === [00:22:25] But we really appreciate you sharing all that with us. [00:22:28] Steve Witkoff, Middle East Envoy. [00:22:30] Thank you, sir. [00:22:30] That was Steve Witkoff, the Middle East Envoy, describing the private behind-the-scenes meetings, telling the Iranians under no circumstances can they have nuclear weapons, and they just flat out refused. [00:22:44] This is after Operation Midnight Hammer. [00:22:46] So they brought all of this on themselves. [00:22:49] We'll get to your calls coming up next. [00:22:51] 800-941 Sean is on number. [00:22:53] Also, my interview with Prime Minister Netanyahu coming up in mere moments. [00:22:58] Let's get to our busy phones. [00:23:00] Philip is in Texas. [00:23:02] Philip, God bless Texas. [00:23:03] How are you, sir? [00:23:04] Glad you called. [00:23:06] Thank you very much, Sean. [00:23:07] Big fan. [00:23:09] What's going on? [00:23:10] I appreciate it. [00:23:10] What's happening? [00:23:11] Oh, I also, I've got a couple SIGs myself, so I agree with you there, too. [00:23:16] It's kind of funny. [00:23:18] I actually live in Dallas, but in Houston right now to hear my father, but was at the on Saturday, the Iranian protests against America, and the Galleria drove by it. [00:23:33] Unbelievable. [00:23:34] People holding signs, screaming, yelling, down with America, down with Israel, down with ICE. [00:23:41] Most almost all the women were in Taibib, covered up, just screaming and yelling. [00:23:47] Then I went to Sundays, stand with Iran's rally. [00:23:54] I'm Jewish. [00:23:56] And there were Jewish people. [00:23:58] There was the Christians, Catholics standing with Israel, staying with Iran. [00:24:04] They had people screaming, thank you, Donald Trump. [00:24:07] Thank you, Bibi. [00:24:09] And you're sitting there looking at the overall people. [00:24:12] I had a woman come up to me and say, you know what, for the first time, I don't have to say I'm Persian. [00:24:18] I can say I'm Iranian. [00:24:20] And the thing is, for me, it was so funny was that you could see the difference. [00:24:26] One was about death and destruction and misery and wanting to keep the Islamic regime and the Islamic ideology going. [00:24:35] And then one was about freedom and love and taking care of the next step and prosperity. [00:24:41] I mean, it was unbelievable. [00:24:44] And I told the, you know, I was said, I have right now my oldest nephew and his wife and my youngest niece are actually in Jerusalem. [00:24:55] They can't get out. [00:24:56] My sister's losing her mind. [00:24:58] I can only say that the disparity that you see, but we will always have this disagreement. [00:25:08] The radical left in this country, you know, now they, you know, you have Hakeem Jeffery suggesting that we're going to lose this conflict in Iran when all the evidence is to the contrary. [00:25:20] You don't take anything for granted. [00:25:22] You got to finish the job. [00:25:23] Then it's going to be in the hands of the Iranian people. [00:25:26] They will choose their destiny. [00:25:28] This is a party now that is against voter ID and voter integrity. [00:25:33] This is a party that wants open borders and sanctuary cities and states and amnesty. [00:25:41] This is a party that wants defund dismantle of police departments and no bail laws. [00:25:47] This is a party that wants to defund the Department of Homeland Security, which they're doing now. [00:25:53] This is a party that is against energy independence. [00:25:58] This is a party that voted for the largest tax increase in history rather than voting for the largest tax cut in history. [00:26:04] So the competing visions that exist in this country exist around the world. [00:26:11] And there are freedom-loving people everywhere. [00:26:14] I don't have any patience for people that don't understand or refuse to understand or have a political agenda, you know, or influencers likely being paid through some shell company associated with some agenda that They are taking the most radical, extreme positions, and they make no sense at all whatsoever. [00:26:39] They don't understand, or they don't want to understand, or they have an agenda. [00:26:43] I'm not sure which it is, and I don't really care. [00:26:46] But if you don't understand that the Iranians never being able to acquire nuclear weapons is a smart thing, then I have nothing to talk to you about because I think you're dumb. [00:26:59] I think you're an idiot. [00:27:01] I think you're an imbecile. [00:27:03] I think you are naive. [00:27:04] And I think that either you're being motivated by some agenda or you just choose to live in ignorance. [00:27:11] It's sort of like the people in Iran are being slaughtered. [00:27:14] Nobody protested on a college campus. [00:27:17] You didn't hear any condemnation from the left, but they certainly condemned Israel, even though the equivalent of 40,000 Israelis were killed if they had the same population size as America on October 7th. [00:27:31] If 40,000 Americans died here in a day, we would obliterate any country that did that to us, rightly so. [00:27:39] And, oh, they're committing genocide and college campuses and, you know, the rise of anti-Semitism around the world and in the punditry class. [00:27:49] And I'm just sick and tired of all of it. [00:27:51] I think there are a lot of ignorant people in this country, in this world, and the only way to prevent them from having any influence is keep them out of power. [00:28:02] They've got to be defeated. [00:28:04] And hence, I'll make my plea today that every one of you listening to my voice make a promise and pledge in your mind that you're going to vote in this midterm election because it's the most important one in your lifetime. === Pledge To Vote (00:28) === [00:28:18] That part I can tell you for sure. [00:28:20] Anyway, my friend, I appreciate you. [00:28:22] 800-941-Sean, if you want to be a part of the program. [00:28:27] All right, when we come back, news Roundup Information Overload Hour, more of your calls, my interview with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and much, much more. [00:28:36] We got a great Hannity 9 Eastern tonight on Fox as we continue. [00:28:44] This is an iHeart podcast.