The Trans go to SCOTUS! Today we focus our convo around the Supreme Court's discussions on gender identity, particularly focusing on the implications of allowing trans athletes to compete in sports designated for women. Lynda feels strongly about the medical and social practices surrounding gender transition for children, labeling them as harmful and abusive. The discussion also critiques the perspectives of various Supreme Court justices on the matter, emphasizing the need for clarity on biological differences between genders and the impact of these issues on young women in sports. @LyndaMick @RogueRecap SCOTUS, Trans., Women's Rights. RogueRecap.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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It is Tuesday, January 13th, and today was the day that the Supreme Court of the United States got to talk about how you're a boy or a girl.
Yes, that is a full and complete sentence.
I am not confused.
I am not stuttering.
The highest court in the land is hearing testimony from people who practice law for their living.
This is how they pay their mortgage.
On defining the difference between men and women.
Because grownups on the left are now realizing that this mental illness called trans and people now that believe that they are the gender that they were quote unquote, wait for it, assigned at birth.
I'm like, assigned?
Today, we had a trans athlete who went up against the state and it's happening in several states.
So there were two cases that were heard today.
One was the state of West Virginia versus this person who goes by Becky Pepper.
This is a boy pretending to be a girl.
And then there is the Idaho case, which is Little versus Heacocks.
So I think the larger concept here that we are trying to cover in this show is that we as a society need to stop allowing the mutilation and the pervasive and sick and twisted ideology of messing with kids' heads when they are at their youngest and most vulnerable stages of life.
They don't need to be confused and told, you know, somebody messed up when they made you and you weren't supposed to be a boy.
You're supposed to be a girl.
So here, we're going to give you experimental transition drugs.
We're going to give you surgeries and we're going to turn your dick into a vagina.
We're going to turn your vagina into a dick.
We're going to cut your breasts off.
Oh, and by the way, as we do this, it is completely irreversible.
We can't fix it once we do it.
So let's just say if you do this when you're, oh, I don't know, nine, 10, because your parents have decided that they are going to bask in the glory of having a child that instead of excelling in school or being a great athlete or a wonderful poet or an amazing musician or a terrific artist, you're going to be trans and you're going to stick out and you're going to need to ask for special this and special that every single day of your life for the rest of your life.
And your parents, for some reason, love the idea of a lifetime of martyrdom.
So they're going to enjoy every minute of it at your expense.
That's exactly what's happening.
And so there are entire groups of kids who were led astray or went the wrong way, whether because their parents allowed them to, or they had parents that actually cared, but there were entire institutions like, I don't know, school that told them, no, your parents are wrong.
They don't understand you.
So we feel that you should come with us and we'll help you find out who the real you is.
Let's just as a high level for a moment talk about the fact that nobody knows who the hell they are most of the time.
I don't think anybody really has a clue what they want to do until they're at least, I don't know, in their like 20 to mid-20s, right?
Let's just say you're a young person and you're like, I would love to be a famous musician.
I would love to be a football player.
I would love to be a basketball player.
I would love to be a NASCAR driver.
Okay, fine.
All of those things are sort of, you know, those lofty ideas and some people achieve them and some people don't.
But they're more of like those, wow, shoot for the stars kind of goals.
I'm talking about like you get in your 20s, you're like, hmm, I thought I was going to go into marketing, but I think instead I'm going to do real estate.
Or I thought I loved, you know, doing computer science, but I actually think I want to be, you know, an electrician.
Actual everyday jobs that you sort of make decisions about once you get into the real world.
You're out of high school, you're out of college.
Okay, fine.
These people are expecting kids sometimes as young as seven and eight to know, to understand and to decide who they are, what they are, and what they should be for the rest of their lives.
And they have absolutely no way of giving them a path back.
It's just this way forward, and that's it.
Not to mention, they make everything sound like it's so wonderful.
You're going to be a part of this group and everybody is so accepting and so loving and you can be whatever you want to be.
And no, that's not what it is.
It's a cult.
It's be exactly like us.
Be different is not different.
Different is cutting off your body parts, injecting SSRIs and other types of experimental drugs that are going to mess with your mind, mess with your hormones, and mess with your body.
You're going to feel sick.
You're going to feel depressed.
You're going to feel things that you've never felt.
Do you know why?
Because your body is not supposed to be doing what you're doing to it.
We should treat trans people and people who go as far as the full surgeries and people who actually do this to their children.
We should treat it as an addiction, as somebody who has a problem to the point that they are unable to see clearly enough that this is child abuse, that this is an entire industry that is now profiting off of your, I guess, disinterest and your willingness to be a part of something, even if that something is hurting you, but you're so addicted to the attention that you can't help it.
Like I look at this person's mom as they're doing these interviews leading up to the SCOTUS case, and it is sick.
She's sitting next to this young boy who now has, you know, long blonde hair and, you know, she wants to be considered, you know, trans girl and she should be able to play and wants to, you know, be on the field with the other girls.
Okay, that's fine, except you're a boy.
I don't care how many drugs you take or how long your hair gets or how many dresses you buy.
You are a boy.
Your mother is a child abuser.
The two of you are now, unfortunately, spending valuable time of our Supreme Court talking about the fact that you want to be a girl, but you're not a girl.
You're a boy.
Maybe you would have been a very feminine boy.
Maybe you would have been a gay boy, but you're not a girl.
And no amount of drugs and operations and dresses and makeup is ever going to make you a girl.
Period, end of sentence.
And the type of girl that you think you are is one with boys' hormones and boys' abilities and boys' broad shoulders and boys' hips.
And that changes the way that you compete.
So how is that fair to young women who were born young women?
You don't see young women going out and trying out for the NFL.
Do you know why?
Because their small shoulders and their small hips and their smaller bones would be crushed in moments.
But for some reason, this argument never gets brought up.
It's left to the wayside.
And we just look at these men who are competing against biological women.
And yes, biology is a real thing.
And although Supreme Court Justice Katanji Jackson Brown seems to be completely and utterly confused, and we're going to play a clip from her in a minute, there is a real thing.
It's called being born as a boy or a girl.
It's not, oh, well, this is what I was when I was born and this is what I am now.
No, you are what you are all the time for the rest of your life.
And the rest of us do not have to become a part of whatever this strange play is that you are performing in your mind.
It is very, very disappointing that this kid, Pepper Jackson, I mean, what the hell kind of name is this?
Did you look this up out of like the worst possible names?
Are you planning on getting on the stripper poll?
I mean, just stop.
It's embarrassing.
And Pepper Jackson, I think it's something that needs to be done.
It's something I'm here to do.
It's important to me and it's important to other people.
So I'm here for it.
Are you?
Are you here for it?
Because you know what?
You look like an entitled spoiled brat whose mom, for whatever reason, has so many problems that instead of standing by her son, turned him into a chick.
And that's a really, really sad thing.
It's a really sad thing.
This gender affirming medical treatment is a lifelong addiction.
You will never be off of these drugs.
For the rest of your life, you will have problems because that whole idea of I feel like I'm living in somebody else's body, now you actually are.
You actually are.
I have a feeling that someday, not too long from now, we're going to look back at this generation of humans and say, like, what the hell happened?
Was it in the water?
Was it in the COVID shots?
Was it in the air?
What is wrong with these people?
It's so, I just look at people and they're so ass backwards that I can't even make sense of it.
Because not only are they giving the kids SSRIs and hormones to become one, they're putting puberty blockers in for the other side.
So it's like we're blocking one.
And this Pepper Jackson, I mean, they've been doing this to her since she was in the third grade.
So this little boy, when he was eight, decides, oh, yes, you know, I am a successful little boy at sports and now I want to be a girl.
And now he's like, yeah, I want to be a girl and I want to play against other girls.
What?
It's not, this is not a real thing.
This is, it is so frustrating to me as a mother who has four kids.
And if a girl competed against my sons and if a boy competed against my daughter, I would be out of my mind.
It is so wrong.
It is so short-sighted.
And it is so egotistical and self-centered.
These people want everything changed for them.
I have an idea.
All of the trans people and trans people supporters, start your own leagues.
Please have at it.
Create your own leagues and do your own stuff.
And I think that would be great.
And you guys can all compete against each other and talk about how cool it was when you used to be, you know, the way you were when you were born and how you are when you're now.
Good for you.
Go for it.
I think that the point that they made, you know, the AG from West Virginia made this quote.
He said, there are immutable physical and biological characteristic differences between men and women that make men bigger, stronger, and faster than women.
If we allow biological males to play sports against biological females, those differences erode the ability and the places for women in these sports, which we have fought so hard for over the last 50 years.
He's 100% right.
That's the problem.
Everything he just said is true.
So now this little dude who decides he wants to be a girl and his mom starts giving him puberty blockers when he's in the third grade.
I mean, that is child abuse.
You're in rural West Virginia.
If you are that bored, find a hobby, take up knitting.
What is wrong with you to do this to your child?
So today, now that I'm done with that rant, today we get to hear from all of the Supreme Court justices.
So we have Kavanaugh, we have Roberts, we have Alito, we have Thomas.
You know, we've got Soda Mayor, Katanji Jackson Brown, Amy Coney Barrett.
Very disappointed in Amy Coney Barrett.
This woman's out there telling us, oh, I'm a Christian and I have children and I'm with Trump and I believe you're so full of shit.
You are such a letdown.
You have been a letdown from the moment you got there.
I cannot believe that we wasted a seat on you.
What a shame you are.
If you wanted to be a Democrat, just say, I want to be a Democrat.
I want to be a Democrat.
You're not fair.
You're not equitable.
And today you showed us that you are clearly in need of glasses and perhaps a science book because you don't know the difference between men and women and use the term trans girls.
There are no trans girls.
It's men and women.
If you are a Christian and you believe in Jesus Christ, that is all there is.
Jesus Christ is the Michelangelo of this world.
You don't get to tell him what his painting is supposed to be.
It just is.
Sorry, ACB.
Oh, take a listen to her.
You're just drawing the line based on biological sex and saying that trans girls can't be on the girls team in an age group that's pre-pubescent.
The record in this case does not support the notion that males lack an athletic advantage at six years old.
That's about as early as the science goes from what's in the record.
And even at that age, males have about a 5% athletic advantage over girls in most situations.
Now.
Oh, burn, ACB.
So you want to make the argument now that we can have boys on girls' teams if they're pre-pubescent.
The problem is they're built differently.
Period, end of sentence.
I don't know why this is such a hard concept for people.
Just look around.
Even the most manly of lesbians, and there are some manly lesbians, just take a look at Minnesota.
It is rough.
But even the most manly, they are not, they don't look like dudes.
They look like lesbians dressing up like dudes.
That's it.
They look like they've never seen Sephora.
They don't know what it is, and nor do they care.
Okay, I don't really have an issue with that.
If you want to be a lesbian and you want to dress like a dude, knock yourself out.
I've never really understood that.
I kind of feel like if you're a woman and you like women, why can't you be a woman that dresses like a woman and likes women that dress like women?
And if you're a man who likes men, I don't know why you can't be a man who likes men who dress like men.
I've never understood the whole effeminate thing.
I don't have an issue with gay people.
I do feel that people are born gay and I do feel that they can fall in love and they can get married and have all the problems all the rest of us married people have.
But this whole idea of going in for surgery and giving children as young as six, seven, and eight puberty blockers, that is not a thing, guys.
That is child abuse.
And then you have this idiot like ACB going, well, you think that this still matters?
Yes.
Have you ever seen a little boy stand next to a little girl?
Sometimes the girls are taller, but nine times out of 10, they're not as big.
Here's Justice Alito having a conversation with one of the attorneys on the left trying to understand the biology conversation.
Girls.
Yes, Your Honor.
If it does that, then is it not necessary for there to be, for equal protection purposes, if that is challenged under the Equal Protection Clause, an understanding of what it means to be a boy or a girl or a man or a woman?
Yes, Your Honor.
And what is that definition for equal protection purposes?
What does it mean to be a boy or a girl or a man or a woman?
Sorry, I misunderstood your question.
I think that the underlying enactment, whatever it was, the policy, the law, we'd have to have an understanding of how the state or the government was understanding that term to figure out whether or not someone was excluded.
We do not have a definition for the court and we don't take issue with the, we're not disputing the definition here.
What we're saying is that the way it applies in practice is to exclude birth sex males categorically from women's teams and that there's a subset of those birth sex males where it doesn't make sense to do so according to the state's own interest.
Well, how can a court determine whether there's discrimination on the basis of sex without knowing what sex means for equal protection purposes?
I think here we just know that we basically know that the that they've identified pursuant to their own statute, Lindsay qualifies as a birth sex male and she's being excluded categorically from the women's teams as the statute.
So we're taking the statute's definitions as we find them and we don't dispute them.
What are you saying?
You're calling a dude Lindsay and you're saying that Lindsay is a birth sex male.
It's ridiculous.
So ridiculous.
And you're using these Kamala Harris word salads.
I mean, you're really giving her a run for her money.
I mean, I thought Kamala was sort of like hands down the best word salad person I ever met in my life, but you guys are winning right now, I must say.
And you're trying to explain what the hell Lindsay is.
Lindsay is not Lindsay.
Lindsay is a dude.
Lindsay is Larry.
Stop.
The reason that Larry cannot play as Lindsay on a girls team is because he's Larry.
Period end of sentence.
It's enough.
Leave young women alone.
Let them have their sports.
Create your own league.
You're not even able to explain what you're saying because it doesn't make sense.
You know, sometimes when you have to work really hard to explain something and you have to try to make it fit and you have to try to make it make sense, guess what?
It just doesn't.
I said this to a friend today.
I was like, you're going to know if it's right for you because your gut is going to tell you.
If your gut is telling you, oh, guess what?
I was born with all the male parts and I feel like, hmm, I might want to play girlies volleyball.
Well, you know what?
See you in the next life.
Sorry, not sorry.
Or you can go play in a league with a bunch of other dudes who wish that they were named Lindsay and you guys can all play together.
How about that?
How about you guys all do that together?
That'd be cool.
That's kind of where we're at right now.
It's enough.
These girls, these young girls, they work their whole lives through all of their academic careers to perfect whatever their athletic craft is.
And then they finally get to a spot where they can get scholarships.
They can go to college.
They can play in college.
Maybe some of them could go to the Olympics or go pro.
And they got some dude wearing a scrunchie and a skirt.
He's like, I'm a girl.
No, dude, you're not.
It's offensive.
And then we have people sitting in these lifetime appointments at the Supreme Court who are saying, I cannot define what a woman is.
What?
Speaking of her, here's Katanji Jackson Brown.
You have the overarching classification.
You know, everybody has to be play on the team that is the same as their sex at birth.
But then you have a gender identity definition that is operating within that, meaning a distinction, meaning that for cisgender girls, they can play consistent with their gender identity.
For transgender girls, they can't.
So I think that, okay, as to the part about your ability to pass over from boy to girl, you can go from one way, but not the other.
I want to be clear that BBJ is not challenging that specific classification.
I think that's important to start with.
But I think, if anything, that's useful evidence as to the lack of a transgender-based discrimination, because if the legislature were just sort of unsettled by the notion of transgender athletes, I think the answer would have been to then bar them from consistent with their gender.
I appreciate that.
I guess I was getting at what I understood the Chief Justice to be trying to discuss, which was this notion that this is really just about the definition of who we accept that you can separate boys and girls.
And we are now looking at the definition of a girl and we're saying only people who were girl assigned at birth qualify.
What in the hell?
Girl assigned at birth?
Have you ever heard of this stuff?
I'll tell you what, Katanji Jackson Brown.
How about the young women that have been so severely and physically hurt by dudes pretending to be girls playing in their sport when they're concussed, when their bones are broken, when they're punched in the face?
We saw that in the freaking Olympics.
How about that?
Can we bring that case to you then?
Who will you side with then?
I'm just curious.
Is it the cis gender?
By the way, cis gender just means that you were born a dude and you still think you're a dude or you were born a girl and you still think you're a girl.
That's all it means.
But they have to give it a new title because cis is the opposite of trans.
What?
And then this guy, the solicitor general who's arguing for West Virginia in there is explaining, well, you know, that's not actually what's going on here because, you know, Pepper Jackson is not saying that they don't even disagree with the fact that those rules matter.
What they're saying is they still want to play on the girls' team.
It's like, yeah, we get it.
All you guys want exceptions and you want to be the exception to every rule and you don't want the rules to apply to you, but then you want rules to apply to you that allow you to break the rules.
That's essentially what's happening in a nutshell.
I have to pray that the Supreme Court votes in favor of young women and starts to do what's right.
There's got to be some sort of common sense cloud coming over us as a nation because this shit has gone too far, way too far.
And as a mom, as a parent, I'm done.
I don't want to talk about it.
There's little kids that are being exposed to all this crap.
The only thing little kids should be worried about is what toy they're going to play with and if they're old enough, what homework they have to do and what sports they want to do or what movie they want to watch.
That's it.
They shouldn't be worried about this crap.
This is all being pushed on them by very sick, mentally deficient adults.
And I blame them 100% every day, all day.
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