Pastor Jack Hibbs on Taking a Bold Stand in a Godless Age
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We've got two more hours to go, and they are going to be great hours, starting again with this one, because Joshua Becker is a Wall Street Journal and USA Today number one best-selling author of five books, The Minimalist Home, The More of Less, Simplify, Clutter-Free with Kids.
Is that possible?
He says it is, and things that matter.
I've read his books.
He has helped me so much to really clean up my life and declutter.
He's got a sixth book that's coming out too.
It's called Uncluttered Faith.
And it releases February 10th.
You can buy that book, pre-order that one, and buy any of the other books I mentioned anywhere that books are sold.
He's the founder of Becoming Minimalist.
He is also the creator of Simplify Magazine.
And his uncluttered course has helped people clear out the clutter and refocus on what matters most.
He's got a YouTube video that's new every week.
It reaches hundreds of thousands of people.
And beyond all of this, he's the founder of The Hope Effect.
And that's a nonprofit that's reshaping how the world cares for orphans.
I think that's beautiful.
Welcome to the show, Joshua Becker.
You're on Sean Hannity Show with Rose.
Well, Rose, thank you so much for having me.
You did a wonderful first hour.
I am privileged to be a part of this important conversation.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, I do think it's important because I think when we go into the new year, it's so important to just clean everything up.
I mean, get it organized so we can really focus on the things that matter.
So I've got to ask you, what does it mean to have a minimalist lifestyle?
Well, that is a great question right off the bat.
Let's see, a minimalist lifestyle.
When I think of it, it is the intentional decision to get rid of distractions so I can live a life focused on the things that matter most.
Now, let me unpack that just briefly because I think most people, when they hear the word minimalism, think about possessions.
I have too much stuff in my home.
I have too much clutter.
And that's a great place to start.
It doesn't have to end there, but it's a great place to start.
I found minimalism 15 years ago.
I spent hours cleaning out my garage while my two children, age five and two, had to play alone all morning long in the backyard.
And it was just this moment of noticing how all the things I owned, I'd spent hours taking care of, were taking my time and my money and my energy and were keeping me from spending my time, money, and energy on my two children that meant the most to me.
So minimalism was removing physical possessions from my home so I had more time and money to spend on my kids.
And who can argue with that?
I mean, because I think that when we really stop to think about all of this and what you just said, we do spend too much time, money, and energy on those things that don't even matter the most to us.
And when I look at all of the things that you've accomplished, Joshua, and the books you've written, you've got the magazine, you've got your YouTube videos, and you've got the Hope Effect.
Do you think that by learning to live this way in this lifestyle, that has helped you to do and accomplish so much?
Because so many of us, we have a lot on our plate, but we don't know sometimes where to start.
And there are distractions and there are things that are draining us of our energy that you just spoke of.
Yeah, well, I appreciate that.
I've always been a driven individual for sure and learned that from my parents and grandparents.
So certainly that ambition and want to bring about the biggest, the greatest good in the world that I can has always been a part of my life.
But I think definitely adopting a minimalist mindset has allowed me to accomplish more and to do better work.
I think a lot of people assume minimalism means that they are going to accomplish less in life.
It's like a minimalist approach to life is like checking out of doing my best or chasing ambition or goals.
But I found that it's just the opposite, that the fewer things I owned, the more of my life I could direct towards work that mattered, goals that mattered.
Our world is so full of distractions today.
And so I think learning to get rid of them, whether that is the physical possessions we own or the digital clutter or the schedules that we keep or the habits that we have, I think learning to limit those distractions is one of the greatest skills of our age.
And it clears the pathway for significance, fulfillment, and meaning.
So I'm so passionate about minimalism and helping people see the value of simplicity and focus and intentionality in their day-to-day life.
And I wanted to ask you how that actually living with less can make you more generous, because I know that you've talked about this.
And in fact, I called you yesterday so excited.
I'm like, Joshua, do you realize that you really sound like John Wesley?
Because John Wesley had a sermon once that was entitled, The Use of Money.
And he just talks about how we're spending money on these things, right?
When once he realized that there were others in need and he didn't have that extra money to meet that need, he felt really bad about himself and about how he was using his money.
So has minimalism changed the way that you view and the way that you use money?
Well, certainly.
So this was 15 years ago as me and my wife and our two kids, five and two.
And at the time when I was introduced to minimalism, we went through our home.
We got rid of 60 to 70% of our possessions.
It took about nine months, so this wasn't an overnight project.
Along the way, it became pretty clear that if I was going to own less and buy less, then I would be spending less money on myself and on my family.
Not because I wouldn't be providing for my family.
It was just a healthy realization that I didn't need nearly as much as the world kept telling me that I needed to own.
And in fact, that my life was freer when I owned less.
And so the question of, so I'm still passionate about work and doing work well.
And as John Wesley says, that we should be earning as much as we can, like in honest ways.
I began questioning, so what am I going to do with the money that comes into my life if I don't have to spend it at Pohl's or Target or Michael's or Amazon?
Sorry to call out any advertisers of the world.
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And suddenly I began to realize that, hey, I can dream bigger dreams for my money is the way I like to say it.
That the money that's coming into my life doesn't have to be used for a bigger screen television or more clothes to go in my closet that I'm not going to wear or a newer, nicer car, that I can legitimately use my money to solve problems that I see in the world.
And I have found that there's nothing more joyful than aligning our spending with our greatest values.
It is a, it's a powerful way to live.
And especially as we enter the year end season, I would encourage anybody and everybody to give to causes they believe in.
You know, that's perfect.
And that leads me into the next question.
If someone wanted to begin living like this, it doesn't happen overnight.
What are some of the first steps that they could take or things they could think about in the new year to make a difference like that?
Well, I always encourage people, if they want to begin owning less, they can see the benefits of minimalism in their life to start in the easiest place that they could find in their home.
Like a lot of people, when we think about decluttering, we think about the attic, the basement, the garage.
Like, what am I going to do with all these photos?
Meanwhile, just declutter your bedroom, declutter your living room or the bathroom.
A space where you can find that calm and energy, where you can create a calm, a home that restores your calm and energy rather than drains it.
Start in the easiest spaces, get one done, and then move on to the next one and the next one.
And eventually you'll build up that skill and muscle to focus a little bit more on places like your attic and photos and paperwork.
I think that's really good advice.
You know, one of the things I think about too when I think about clutter, just recently, my sister and I had to clean out my dad's belongings after he passed.
And the question I have for you is, why do we feel that we owe it to past generations to hold on to so much?
I mean, how should that shape how we think about legacy?
That's really not legacy, is it?
Keeping their stuff.
Right.
Yeah, for sure.
And I think this can be different for different people and different personality types.
As I think about that, generally speaking, I think that we know innately that we are a product of the people who have gone before us.
And so there's a little bit of gratitude and wanting to remember who those people were in our lives, what values they conveyed.
And so I think there's some innate desire to hold on to some of those possessions.
But what we need to remember is that we honor the past generations the most when we live our life to the fullest today.
And so certainly, let's hold on to some of those things that represent our parents and our grandparents or a spouse that's passed away or a child that's passed away.
Like let's hold on to a few things that remind us of them.
But if we are holding on to so much stuff that it's keeping us from bringing about the greatest good that we can in the world today, then I don't think we're honoring our past generations by living a burdened life today.
And so finding that balance is important for sure.
Oh, that's really good.
You've got a new book now, and it's called Uncluttered Faith.
So how has minimalism shaped your spiritual life?
And how do you put that into a daily faith practice?
Yeah, uncluttered faith is all about the spiritual blessings that come into our life when we actually live out what Jesus invited us to do concerning money and possessions.
Did you know that the average American spends less than 10 minutes a day on their faith-based practice?
That's both personal and corporate.
Average American less than 10 minutes a day on faith, but over two hours a day on their physical possessions, managing, buying, getting rid of cleaning, whatever it might be.
And so one of the ways I think that we grow the most spiritually is when we begin to see the Bible a little bit differently, that Jesus is called to generosity, that Paul's called that it's better to give than to receive isn't something that we just know or we think to be true in our hearts, but we actually begin to live out in our daily lives, actually giving more than we are receiving.
And when we do that, I think all the spiritual benefits and many of the spiritual blessings that we find written about in the New Testament, we begin to take hold of and experience to a much greater degree than we ever thought before.
Yeah, and it feels good.
Let's just be honest.
It feels really good.
And, you know, if we, one of the things that I want to make sure that I pass on to everyone today is just considering the new year that's coming.
And we've talked about that.
But if you had to, in a nutshell, because we've got about three minutes left here, a little less than three, if you were to leave a message or offer some hope in terms of those people who feel like overwhelmed, oh my gosh, I don't think I can do that, even the bathroom or the closet.
It seems overwhelming or a drawer or even living a less cluttered, faithful life.
What would you say to them to get started?
How can you encourage them that this can happen and it's not as difficult as they may think?
Yeah.
Well, I think of a couple of things come to mind.
Number one, trust your heart on this.
If you're listening to this message today and you're looking around your house and you're thinking, you're right, I have too much.
My life could be better if I owned less and I had more calm in my physical environment, then trust that and believe that to be true.
Number two, I think that overwhelm comes into our life when we see too large of a project in too short of a time.
And so if I'm thinking I'm going to declutter my entire home right away, then you're going to feel overwhelmed.
But we overcome that overwhelm when we say, okay, I don't need to do my whole house.
I can do this one bathroom cabinet.
I can do this one drawer.
I can do the bookcases.
I can do the entertainment center.
Like I can do this one spot.
And then when we accomplish that, we feel good about ourselves.
We see momentum taking place.
And the third thing that I would encourage people is that your predisposition doesn't have to be your future.
And so maybe my home has always been cluttered or I've never been able to find time for God in my life or I've always lived a too busy life.
That may have been who you are in the past, but making small positive changes today, we're all in process.
We're all growing.
We're all becoming better people, hopefully, and small steps can get you there.
Now, that's well said.
Thank you.
So we're talking to Joshua Becker.
He's the author of several books.
You've got to check out his books.
Also, his platform, Becoming Minimalist.
I have learned so much on that platform.
He's got Simplify Magazine and his unclouded courses are available to you.
But the newest book, Uncluttered Faith, releases February 10th, and you can pre-order that book or purchase the other ones anywhere books are sold.
Joshua, thank you so much for helping us get started in a very healthy way for the new year.
And thank you for the conversation.
Yeah, absolutely.
It was great.
All right, stay with us.
We have so much more coming up.
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I wanted to talk to you guys too about, you know, we were talking to Joshua Becker about money and how it's well spent.
And I have to share this story with you because, you know, these days it just seems like big corporations get slammed no matter what they do.
People say they're greedy, they exploit workers, they only care about profits.
And yeah, sure, some companies deserve that criticism, but let's not forget, business can also do amazing things when leaders care about their people and get it right.
So you got to hear this story.
It's out of Louisiana, a family-owned company called Fiber Bond.
It was sold earlier this year for $1.7 billion.
But here's the part that really stands out.
The former CEO, Graham Walker, made sure a portion of the proceeds.
Now, remember, it was $1.7 billion, that a portion of those proceeds went straight to his employees.
Can you believe that?
Here's the result.
$240 million in bonuses for 540 full-time workers.
That's about $443.
I'm sorry, $443,000.
I peaked a fourth grade math, so bear with me.
$443,000 a person over the next five years.
Can you believe that?
How would you like to receive that?
So the guy's been at Fiber Bond for decades.
He helped grow the company from a very small team into this respected business.
And in a letter to his team, he talked about the long hours they all spent together, the challenges, and the dedication that made the company what it is.
He called all of them part of the success of the company.
And he said that the success was profound and sacred.
So this impact, of course, has been life-changing for the employees.
You can only imagine.
And people online have buzzing about the story.
They're calling it inspiring and generous.
And it's not just a rare feel-good story.
It's an example of how business done well can lift entire communities.
And that's what they did.
You know, I just think it's really cool that these kind of things are happening.
And, you know, it reminded me of a story that I was reading over the holiday because it had to do with Montgomery Ward.
And there was a piece I read.
I think it might have been an Epoch Times, but it's the story of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Ranger.
And a lot of us know him as that little reindeer who saved Christmas.
But the origins were really special.
In 1939, Robert May, he was a copywriter at Montgomery Ward, created Rudolph as a story for his young daughter.
And as the story goes, she had asked him why her mom, who was dying of cancer, was different from other moms and why her life was different than other children's lives.
So May started telling her this story about this reindeer who was like a misfit.
And as he was telling it, the story goes that the story continued to grow.
And he spread the story among his coworkers, telling them about it.
And Montgomery Ward recognized the potential in that story.
They turned it into a holiday booklet to give away to the kids as they came into the store.
And it was an instant hit.
But then over the years, it grew into like this cultural icon that we all know today, right?
But here's the part that really stands out.
And we talked earlier in the show about in the monologue about how there are good things happening, right?
There always have been.
And even now with this new, this business fire bond, fiber bond.
But the part that really stands out is that after years of Rudolph being such a success, Montgomery Ward gave the rights back to Robert May, and that allowed him and his family to benefit from the character that he created.
He made a lot of money then as a result because publishers were lining up to publish the book.
So whether it's a Louisiana company sharing hundreds of millions in bonuses with employees or this department store years ago, ensuring a creator could profit from his own story, these moments remind us that when business is done right, success isn't just about the bottom line.
It's about lifting up people who help make it possible.
And there are encouraging stories.
And I'm going to share even more of those today.
Okay, looks like Kenny is calling from Tennessee.
Hey, Kenny, how are you?
And Happy New Year.
Oh, pretty good, Rose.
Thanks for taking my call.
You know, I have a question and I was told make it quick, so I will.
So much fraud has been uncovered in Minnesota.
And I think it's even going into Ohio now, which is with all the immigrants.
And there's some independent journalists going down and doing their own independent investigations.
While we got our Justice Department and Miss Rose Bondi hasn't sent anybody, I haven't seen her face.
No talk.
She's always on Fox.
How come she's not doing anything?
I want to know if your listeners have said anything.
Is there a complaint there?
Or, you know, how are you seeing that?
Well, we have to believe, Kenny, right, that the department is on it now, at least, right?
And I agree with you that it had to come from this.
I think the guy was only, what, 23 years old or something?
The journalist that really uncovered all of this deserves a prize for all of that.
And that's been talked about even by President Trump.
But it is unfortunate that it went on this long because there have been rumors of this for many, many years, right?
And it's been shoved under the carpet and people have turned their head or turned a deaf ear to it.
So we really should have been looking at it maybe a long time ago, but I have to believe that the administration is on top of it now and that the department is also going to be on top of it.
But yeah, I agree with you.
Like what?
And it's obscene.
When you read all the headlines about what's going on there, it's just crazy.
Yes.
One person said they never saw any kids going into the daycare center until today, they said.
They had never even seen kids going in.
I mean, like, there is so much here to unwrap.
And it's a problem.
And it's not good.
Walt should resign.
A lot of people are calling for him to do so.
We'll just see what happens.
But Kenny, yeah, you make a great point, sweetie.
Thank you so much for calling in with that.
And happy new year to you.
Happy New Year.
And thanks for having Pastor Jack on.
Oh, I know.
Isn't he great?
He's just so, I've been to his church finally, and it was just wonderful experience.
It really was.
It was a great church, great people there.
And a wonderful sermon, as always.
Thanks, Kenny.
God bless.
Also, there's Leo calling from my originally home state, Pennsylvania.
How are you, Leo?
Okay, thank you.
Yes, I want to talk about clutter.
And you see, I'm the steward over the previous generation's possessions.
And I'm the caretaker of that stuff.
And I am kind of hesitant to redistribute it because if I letter or redistribute, distribute the items to someplace else, then I don't want to regret having done that because I might look back and say, I should have held on to that kind of thing.
But can you look at each item?
And Leo, that's an overwhelming situation to be in.
I know that.
That's overwhelming for you.
But can you look at each item and say, what am I really going to regret?
And I love what Joshua Becker said.
In fact, I just texted him and told him that was my favorite thing he said was that we need to live our lives to the fullest today and every day.
And we can't hold on to stuff.
I mean, it's the best thing that we can do, the best way that we can say, I love you, parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, the best way to tell them that is to live your best life right now.
Not to hold on to all of their stuff.
Because when you're gone, Leo, what's going to happen with it?
I mean, it's just stuff.
And like you said, take a few things.
And this is silly, but right near my door, I've got this bust.
I don't even know where I got it, but I made a little fun thing out of it.
And I have a cap that was my dad's and his reading glasses on there.
And I change the hat out every once in a while.
It's like a little homage to my father.
I mean, just something little.
You don't have to have a million and one little articles that were his that belong to him to remind you of him.
You don't need that.
I think maybe you should buy one of the books.
I really do.
I think it'll help you a lot because it really did me.
Check it out.
I do hope to do is I hope to listen to his YouTube videos.
Yes.
Yes.
That would be great.
Yes.
Yeah.
Try check that out too.
But, you know, God bless you, Leo.
That's huge.
I know it's overwhelming, but you can do it.
And you shouldn't have to live with all of that.
It's like a burden that you're living with.
And happy new year to you, Leo.
Thank you.
Happy to be here too, too, Rose.
Thank you.
Thank you, sweetie.
And we've got Rudy.
I'm going to go in blindly to this.
I don't know.
Okay, Rudy from Indiana.
How are you, Rudy?
Yeah.
Good, good.
Yeah.
Because of Minnesota and the other cities being sanctuary cities for the Somalians, they wouldn't let ICEN to deport the illegal immigrants.
So now the government's sending in Homeland Security.
They're at this time investigating Minnesota.
They made some arrests now.
There's more coming after the New Year's.
And the government has even threatened to shut down funding to Minnesota.
So it's going to get pretty rough for them.
Yeah.
I think so too.
And don't you think it's time for Tim Waltz to say, hey, gotta go?
Yeah.
And I think if it ties back even to Nancy Pelosi, she's not out of the woods yet.
Whoops.
No, and they are facing multiple alleged fraud schemes that, you know, that's been plaguing that state for a very long time around their social services.
But I mean, what a horrible thing is.
Thank God they're doing something.
Yeah.
Thank God they're doing something.
Yeah.
And I think they will continue to do that too.
It's just, you know, though, it's like a money laundering activity if everything is.
It's not just a couple of $3, $4 where I'll brush it off.
It's $30 or more million dollars.
I think $80.
More than that.
Yeah.
There's a lot of money involved here.
And it looks like, yeah, it's a little scary to think that this has gone on as long.
And then, and then, the question is, how much of this is going on in other places that we don't know about?
And how was it kept?
They're about to find out.
And it's going to get pretty ugly.
Right?
Yeah.
And I hope they do, too.
Thank you so much for your call and happy new year to you.
I'm going to take a break here and let your calls continue to come in.
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Let's take the phone call from Roz, who's calling from Ohio.
Hey, Roz, how are you?
Hello.
I don't think the general public really would understand how deep the corruption is in these daycare centers because you don't just open your door to a daycare center and get funding from Title 20 of the federal government.
First of all, you have to have a building inspector.
Then you have to have the local health department because you have food.
And then you have in Ohio, what is called the Ohio Department of Jobs and Family Services would come in and inspect the place.
And then they do it every year.
They get inspected.
And if there's a problem, it's more often.
Yeah, I mean, you're right.
That's a good point.
So you have local, county, and state involved here.
Oh, Roz.
So the federal government is taking the government, the federal government takes the word of the state.
Now, also, on top of that, you have to, most likely have an LLC or a corporation name that's filed.
They don't do much checking with that.
I know I've had an LLC.
Oh, my goodness.
And I'm almost out of time.
But I'm going to say, Roz, thank you because I think you are absolutely right for pointing that out, that it has to go deeper.
It absolutely must go deeper, according to all of those things that you've mentioned.
And it'll be interesting to see, and we hope to see it all uncovered.
And one of the things I talked about in the monologue today was being bold, going into the new year boldly and unafraid.
And that's what Nick Shirley did because he's a citizen journalist, right?
But he knew that there was something not quite right.
And people have said that they hadn't seen anybody going into that learning center in Minneapolis until Monday of this week, Monday, because it was a couple of days after his video went viral.
But the point is that he suspected wrongdoing and he did something about it.
So of course these are alleged and we're going to have to find out more as time goes on.
But he took things into his own hands and I think that's impressive.
And I think it demonstrates courage and boldness.
And that's what I think we all want to have in our lives as we go into this new year, 2026, to be more courageous, to be bold.
If we see something that's not right, we need to call it out.
We really do.
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