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Now, you've been hearing for over a week, really about a week and a half, about Minnesota fraudsters.
And Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota, was warned repeatedly by whistleblowers how over a billion dollars from Medicaid was stolen by these fraudsters.
Now, Dr. Oz is the administrator for the Center for Centers for Medicare Medicaid Services.
And more than anybody else by far in the country, he understands the depth of this scheme, the scam, to the tune of over a billion dollars.
And he joins us now.
Dr. Oz, great to have you back, sir.
How are you?
Wonderful to be with you, but unfortunately, it's under this condition.
This is a stunning, stunning change in how I think Americans should witness and participate in the discussion around Medicaid and services of this nature that, again, designed to help our most vulnerable.
But when you pull health care into services that are not strictly around health, like housing, which should be HUD, or transportation of people, which should be Department of Transportation, or education of autistic children, kids children on the spectrum, which again should be part of education, you end up with holes in the architecture of our social network of security, and they are being taken advantage of.
In the case of Minnesota, of course, the Somalian population has been involved in an overwhelmingly important way.
But these fraudsters stole over a billion dollars from Medicaid, which means it's your money, your federal tax dollars got taken by individuals, many of them again from Somalian descent, who are now spending that money overseas, buying real estate in Nigeria, potentially putting it into terrorist organizations, buying flashy cars, homes, kickbacks to the parents of the kids who are falsely lying and saying that their kids have autism.
This is the kind of stuff that makes you so upset as especially an administrator, because when you get transparency into these numbers, Sean, you can't sleep at night.
When you talk about the depth of this, and a lot of people, you know, the knee-jerk reaction is, oh, you're picking on the Somalis.
And Congresswoman Omar is out there saying the same thing.
And, you know, but Tim Walz was warned about this, but he did not take the warnings from whistleblowers that this was out of control.
You know, I've heard that, for example, the claims of autism rates were so out of the norm and skyrocketing to massive amounts in terms of percentage of people in the Somali community.
Now, I just want to know if there was systemic, the systemic practice of committing fraud on the American people and how much money it's costing us and who was involved in it.
I share your desire, which is why we've gotten a very strict set of guidelines, rules that Wallace is going to have to play by.
But let me answer the questions as you ask them.
So the autism program ballooned from about $3 million in 2018 to $400 million.
That's more than a hundred and thirty-fold increase in 2023.
That's not even including the last year and a half, by the way.
So I'm sure it's much, much worse now.
We don't have that many more autistic children.
And what was happening was these scammers, and it's true that many were Somalian, were paying parents $1,000, $1,500 more.
And in fact, there was a whole bidding war to get these parents to lie about their kids for your program versus another program.
Now, why?
What happens?
They were educating these high school graduates with a 40-hour at-home class, right?
Take a test, you pass it.
Good.
You take these malcredential, quote unquote, people, you put them in playgrounds, have them take a child who quote unquote has autism, and they get paid up to $36 every 15 minutes.
$150.
All right, so these are the numbers that I have.
And if I'm wrong, please tell me.
And this is what we've researched and we've been able to find.
The housing program was supposed to cost $2.6 million annually.
Last year, they paid out over $100 million.
You mentioned autism.
That program went from $3 million in 2018 to nearly 400 million in 2023.
So explain this.
It's impossible to have a dramatic increase in autism at that level that would warrant or justify that amount of money.
Impossible.
You also pervert the data now.
We're looking at exactly how much more autism do we really have.
And here's the other thing, Sean.
When every child has autism, the kids with real autism don't get the benefits.
So the fraud increases are obviously money in the pockets of these scammers, but it's actually hurting our most vulnerable Americans more than any other group.
So again, I'm going to go through this list because it's important.
You mentioned autism.
You mentioned housing.
Again, this is housing for people who are supposed to be homeless and trying to get them home from a hospital so they don't cost so much of sitting around waiting to get out.
This is supposed to be well-used money, $2.6 million.
You probably save a lot more than that.
But at $100 million, it doesn't make any sense.
Personal care, home health care, right?
Someone, my family is going to take care of me.
Now, everybody, again, Somalians have the predominance of this.
Everybody needs personal home care and their relatives are all the caregivers.
So you get paid twice, right?
Transportation.
Again, we're not the Department of Transportation, but once in a while, you need a car service or Uber to get to the doctor's office, but not if you're getting scammed at many, many times more what you expect.
You got substance use disorder.
All these things get perverted.
And Sean, here's the crazy part.
In the case of Minnesota, we're talking about a scenario where they knew there was an issue.
They were raising the concerns.
People in the health and human services were whistleblowers, and they were being told, cut it out.
First of all, Somalians are an important voting block.
They overwhelmingly vote Democratic.
And so it would cause a political backlash.
This is what people on the ground are telling us.
And again, we've got folks from Minnesota in the program here.
And so we're asking them to call their friends.
What was really going down?
But the other part that would really bothers them to me is there was the perception they'd be perceived as racist if they started to bring this stuff out because Somalians are overwhelmingly dark-skinned.
Well, that's, I mean, that's not the point here.
It doesn't matter what your ethnic background is.
If you're stealing money from the U.S. government and from the federal taxpayers, you should be prosecuted independent of any other variable that you might think might make it look bad.
So once again, it's not about pretending that you're nice or kind or equitable or fair.
It's are you truly doing what's right for the American people?
Because that will allow you to take care of everybody.
Right now, you have people in Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Florida, even California paying extra money into the tax system to make up for the theft of money in Minnesota.
And we're seeing this, Sean, across the country.
We have more durable medical equipment suppliers in South Florida, five times more, in fact, than McDonald's franchises.
Why?
We've been told by some that it might be the involvement of the Cuban government scamming us.
We know that there are Armenian gangs who have dramatically increased spending on hospice care.
Remember, these fragile people at the end of their life being taken advantage of by these programs.
You have now home health care dramatically increasing in scamming of money from the federal taxpayer in Los Angeles.
We have Russian gangs, multinational groups scamming the healthcare system because we're big, right?
$1.75 trillion is a big target on our back, and you can take advantage of us.
We as Americans have to get serious about this.
The fraud extends into the Affordable Care Act, where there's now debates about whether to throw more money at this program, which because it's the unaffordable care, right, Eric, right?
Well, if it was so affordable, as my friend Mark Simone says, why do you need all the subsidies?
And why do you need subsidies in perpetuity?
After all, it is affordable, but never mind that people were promised that they wouldn't lose their doctor, their health care plan, and the average family would pay, you know, save over $2,500 a year.
The results are in millions lost their doctors, millions lost their care.
We're paying anywhere from 225 to 300% and more than we used to pay.
And there's fully 40% of the country.
They're lucky if they have two Obamacare exchange options.
Many only have one, and that means bad or awful.
That's your choice.
And it's not using any innovative medicine, telemedicine.
It's not using healthcare cooperatives.
It's not using, you know, we're not getting most favored pricing on pharmaceuticals, et cetera.
There are alternatives that can save a ton of money and provide much better care.
And Sean, this part's going to anger the audience.
About 40% of people on the Affordable Care Act never used the policy.
We believe it's because they don't either know they have a policy or weren't on the policy or weren't on some other policy like Medicare.
Well, how many people are on the policy but don't even use it?
And by the way, and you look at the amount of money that these insurance companies, their stock prices have gone up, you know, 1,000% when the average stock price, and this is since the, quote, Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, where the average increase for any other listed company is up like 250%.
That's gone up that dramatically.
They're doing very well.
The horrible reality is we're buying full freight insurance for at least 4.5 million people who don't need it, aren't appropriately on it, are illegal immigrants.
They're already on Medicaid or they're in two states at once, but the federal taxpayer is spending thousands and thousands of dollars a year to buy them full priced insurance, again, going to the insurance companies.
This is what drives the president crazy because he wants to make sure the money goes to the people.
And the other benefit is if the people get the money, they know they have the coverage.
And so we have now a system in place where we're pretending to do the right thing.
It's the same big narrator, Sean.
We're pretending like we're helping, but in fact, you're spending money, throwing money at issues without addressing the core reality.
So let me just announce right now what we're going to do, just to go back to Minnesota for a second.
We are demanding weekly updates and an audit on all 14 of these programs, like autism, housing we shut down already.
We're going to put a moratorium on things like personal care, home care, transportation, peer recovery services, all these things.
Then, by the end of this month, Walsh must provide a comprehensive corrective action plan with a specific timeline and accountability.
We're not going to allow the American taxpayer to be defrauded anymore.
And Sean, so help me, by the end of January, if they have not addressed this fraud, we are going to withhold federal Medicaid funding.
I just posted something and I said to Governor Walsh, start looking for loose change under your couch because if you don't fix this problem, Minnesota is going to have a major financial crisis.
We will no longer tolerate this.
And I got bigger news.
We're looking at all the other states who are potentially in the same bucket because we believe this fraud is happening at a national level.
It's unbelievable.
I'm glad you're holding him accountable.
You brought up the race factor earlier.
I mean, Congresswoman Omar, Somalis were the real victims of fraud.
I'm confident there's no link between Medicare fraud and the scheme and terrorist activity.
Of the 87 people charged, all but eight are of Somali descent.
And that has added to the spotlight being put specifically on your community.
Why do you think this fraud was allowed to get so widespread?
Well, I want to say, you know, this also has an impact on Somalis because we are also taxpayers in Minnesota.
We also could have benefited from the program and the money that was stolen.
And so it's been really frustrating for people to not acknowledge the fact that we're, you know, we're also, as Minnesotans, as taxpayers, really upset and angry about the fraud that has occurred.
House Republicans and the Treasury Secretary just now talked about a link to terrorism.
A possible link.
He said they're just now beginning to look into it.
How confident are you that that's a false claim?
I'm pretty confident at the moment because there are people who have been prosecuted and who have been sentenced.
If there was a linkage in the money that they had stolen going to terrorism, then that is a failure of the FBI and our court system in not figuring that out and basically charging them with these charges.
If money from U.S. tax dollars is being sent to help with terrorism in Somalia, we want to know.
And we want those people prosecuted.
And we want to make sure that that doesn't ever happen again.
I don't have confidence in anything that Congresswoman Omar says.
Well, I'm reporting what Somalian Americans in the area are saying they were witnessing amongst their former countrymen.
So this is not even Bemet Oz or Sean Hannity saying this.
We're literally sharing with you information from the ground.
People who come to this country, I think of my father was an immigrant, legal, right, legal immigrant, came as a doctor.
He was incredibly proud that he was allowed to come here and saw America as the shining city on the hill.
He couldn't believe America existed.
And we'll let him come here and partake in the American dream.
So I do believe that people in the Somalian community are witnessing this.
They see their countrymen getting ill-gotten profits and then buying luxury cars, big, huge houses, incredible vacations, properties overseas.
They're not happy about that.
They see us as kindly having taken them in, and they're mad about this.
So they're becoming allies.
In fact, across the board, the people who wakened us up to some of this fraud, for example, in hospice and home health care, are people in the industry.
They're saying, what are you guys doing?
Where have you been for the last four years?
And I think that's a good wake-up call for everybody because they've been crying about this for several years.
Nobody was at home.
Now we're home.
Let's go deal with these issues.
When I have Cuban Americans in South Florida telling me that other Cubans are taking advantage of the system, they're mad about it.
They're not just benanimated.
We're going to bring you back on a regular basis and get updates on it.
Thank you for explaining it because nobody knows this better than you, but the amount of money we're talking about is so astronomical.
And if we don't eliminate waste fraud, abuse, corruption like this, then we will never, we're just going to continue to rob from our children and grandchildren.
Dr. Oz, the administrator for the Centers for Medicare Medicaid Services, we always appreciate your time.
Thank you.
God bless you.
God bless you.
Thank you.
All right.
I got to go back in time.
President Trump hosting a roundtable focused on the economy and farmers and people that, again, it takes a while for all of his policies to make it into the bloodstream of the economy.
And we're seeing positive effects on the economy.
We're seeing the price of gas come down.
We're seeing the price of other goods come down.
But he inherited a mess.
His policies, again, my prediction around the end of second quarter next year, things are going to be dramatically improving and everybody's going to benefit from it like they did in his first term.
And here's what he said at this roundtable today.
We had three states in the last two days reported by our energy group, a group of very strong energy people who said we hit $1.99 a gallon in three different states.
And it's an amazing accomplishment because the gasoline prices are coming down.
When gasoline comes down, everything is such a big category that when gasoline comes down, sort of everything sort of follows.
But we inherited a mess affordability, but you can call it affordability or anything you want.
But the Democrats caused the affordability problem, and we're the ones that are fixing it.
So it's a very simple statement.
They caused it, we're fixing it.
And they have a tendency to just say this election is based on affordability.
And nobody questions them, John.
Nobody says, oh, well, what do you mean by that?
But they just say the word.
They never say anything else because they caused the problem, but we're fixing the problem.
And we're pleased to be joined today by many of the wonderful members of the farming community, as well as the Secretary of Agriculture, Brooke Rollins.
Brooke, thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Treasury Secretary Scott Besant.
Thank you very much.
Scott.
Senator John Bozeman.
Thank you, John.
Good job.
John Hoven.
Thank you, John.
And Deb Fisher, thank you very much.
As well as Representative Austin Scott, who's been with us right from the beginning.
Thank you, Austin.
Good job.
I'm delighted to announce this afternoon that the United States will be taking a small portion of the hundreds of billions of dollars we receive in tariffs.
We are making a lot of money from countries that took advantage of us in years.
They took advantage of us.
Like nobody's ever seen our deficits are way down because of tariffs.
I guess because of the election, because without the election, you wouldn't have tariffs.
You'd be sitting here losing your shirt.
But we're taking in billions.
We're really taking in trillions of dollars, if you think about it, Scott, because the real numbers, you know, when you think of all the money being poured into the country for new auto plants and all of the other things, AI.
So what we're doing is we're taking a relatively small portion of that, and we're going to be giving and providing it to the farm in economic assistance.
And we love our farmers.
And as you know, the farmers like me, because based on voting trends, you could call it voting trends or anything else.
But they're great people.
They're the backbone of our country.
So we're going to use that money to provide $12 billion in economic assistance to American farmers.
$12 million is a lot of money, Meryl.
What do you think?
Peanuts to you, though, right?
She's a farmer of rice.
This release will, this relief will provide much-needed certainty to farmers as they get this year's harvest to market and look ahead to next year's crops.
And it'll help them continue their efforts to lower food prices for American families.
And again, we inherited something that we inherited the worst inflation in the history of our country.
And we're taking care of it.
Farmers are an indispensable national asset, part of the backbone of America.
I've always felt it so strongly.
They're so important.
Unfortunately, under sleepy Joe Biden, he was a sleepy guy.
Our farmers were crushed by the worst inflation in modern history and crippling restrictions on energy, water, and countless other necessities for farmers.
And what they did to the farmer in terms of putting the brakes on was just absolutely unacceptable.
In my first term, we had an agricultural trade surplus by a lot.
We had a big surplus, meaning that we were exporting American agricultural products all over the world, making a net profit, and in many cases, a very substantial profit.
He came in and ruined it.
Biden turned that surplus into a gaping agricultural deficit that continues to this day, but we're knocking it down.
It's starting to go very good.
In fact, China, as you know, is buying a tremendous amount of soybeans.
And the number, I spoke with President Xi recently, very recently, and I think he's going to do even more than he promised to do.
So I think the relationship is a very good one.
I think he's going to do more than he promised to do.
And what he promised to do is a lot.
So we're very happy with that.
In the last year, Biden bankruptcies rose by 55%, having to do with farms.
So farm bankruptcies under Joe Biden went up 55%.
That's not good.
But now we're once again in a position where a president is able to put farmers first.
But unfortunately, I'm the only president that does that.
On day one, I terminated the Green New scam.
Energy prices are down.
Gasoline prices are down.
We've slashed record numbers of crippling regulations.
And we're working on huge trade deals already, securing $60 billion in agricultural purchase commitments.
And, you know, Biden made none.
He didn't make any trade deals having to do with the farmers or any of it.
It's crazy.
China committed, he was the worst president in the history of our country, by the way, in case anybody has any questions.
China committed to over $40 billion of soybean purchases, and that's a commitment.
And I asked President Xi if he could even up it.
And I think he'll do that.
I mean, not a commitment.
$40 billion is a commitment, but the soybean farmers are quite happy.
Since my successful meeting in South Korea with President Xi, purchases have been made and soybeans are being exported out of the United States to China as we speak.
And I say that our soybeans, I told this to President Xi, our soybeans are more nutritious than competitors.
Somebody said, is that a Trump statement or is that real?
In fact, you know who asked me that question?
President Xi asked me that question.
He said, really, I had never heard of it.
And he was a food purchaser for a long time.
But that's what I hear.
And Japan agreed to $8 billion in purchases of corn, soybeans, ethanol, fertilizer, aviation, biofuel, and rice.
You know, Japan never bought rice from anybody else.
It's like a very important thing to them.
And they agreed to buy rice, okay?
Absolutely.
So I also proudly signed into law the largest tax cuts in history.
And the one big, beautiful bill, the monumental tax relief bill, that is benefiting very, very strongly, benefiting the American farmer.
And I think also for farmers, we have, as you know, and we got this, the estate tax, or the death tax, as they call it, on farmers, on small businesses.
You don't have to pay it anymore.
A lot of farms, you love your children, and your children are great, and they want to be farmers.
And you leave the farmer your children, and a lot of farms are sort of cash-poor, land-rich, cash-poor.
And the kids would go to the local bank or to any bank and they'd borrow money to pay the estate tax and then end up losing the farm.
They'd go bankrupt.
And a lot of debt too.
You know, literally, because they love their farm and they love their business and they love that way of life, they end up committing suicide.
A lot of suicides.
We have no more estate tax.
How about that?
You have children?
I do.
Well, let them know.
Now, if you love your children, then it's good.
If you don't love your children, you don't have to leave them anything.
It doesn't matter what I just said.
They're still young.
I still love you.
I have a feeling you love you.
I have a feeling you love your children.
But the estate tax is a very big thing, so you don't have estate tax.
You die, you leave your farm, or whatever.
Or small business to your children.
You don't have to pay state taxes.
It seems to affect the farmer more than anybody else.
Because you can have a farm that's very valuable, and therefore you have to pay a big tax, but it's not a big value in terms of cash.
Maximizing domestic farm production is a big part of how we will make America affordable again and bring down grocery prices for American families.
And again, these are prices that we inherited.
When I left, we were doing incredible.
In four years, what they've done to this country in so many years, not even mentioning the border and the criminals allowed into our country and all of the other thing I'd like to add before going to Scott, and I think it's very important, we're going to also give the tractor companies, John Deere and all of the companies that make the equipment, we're going to take off a lot of the environmental restrictions that they have on machinery.
It's ridiculous.
I know because I buy a lot of that machinery for different things.
We have a lot of big clubs with hundreds, thousands of acres.
And I buy a lot of stuff.
And you buy it, it's got so much equipment on it for the environmental, it doesn't do anything, except it makes the equipment much more expensive and much more complicated to work.
And it's not as good as the old days.
And we're going to take a lot of that nonsense off of the equipment, which is going to reduce, and we're going to do it.
And we're going to say you're going to reduce the prices.
We're not going to do it and they're not going to reduce.
They're going to have to reduce their prices because farming equipment has gotten too expensive.
And a lot of the reason is because they put these environmental excesses on the equipment, which don't do a damn thing except make it complicated, make it impractical.
And you really have to be, in many cases, you need about 185 IQ to turn on a lawnmower.
So we're going to take that off, that crap off that they put on Biden mostly.
And we're going to take that off.
So that's going to make a big, that'll bring down farm, the equipment prices a lot.
That's right.
And we're going to do that immediately.
You're going to work with Lee Zeldon, who's not here, who's doing a fantastic job.
And Lee is going to work that out.
And that would be most of it.
It's crazy.
The machines, they're always under repair because they're so complicated that you can't fix them.
The old days used to fix it yourself.
Now you can't do that.
You have to be a PhD from, let's say, MIT.
Okay, so we're going to get that done.
So do you have any questions?
Yes, President Johnson.
In the interest of affordability with this aid package, I assume that that's something you want consumers to see before midterms next year.
How quickly will that affect prices in the grocery store?
Well, I think the prices are going to be going down already.
I mean, the prices are way down.
We brought prices way down from what it was.
We inherited high prices.
We inherited the biggest inflation in the history of our country.
That means prices going up.
And we brought it down very substantially.
Now inflation is essentially gone.
We haven't normalized and it'll go down even a little bit further.
You don't want it to be deflation either.
You have to be careful.
But we brought it way down.
We had inflation that was the highest in the history of our country.
They say 48 years.
But I say the history.
48 years is pretty bad too, right?
So we're solving this problem.
All right, that was the president at his economic roundtable from earlier today at the White House.
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