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Best of Hannity: Dr. Oz - July 4th, Hour 2
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All right, hour two, Sean Hannity Show, toll free.
It is 800-941.
Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, well, predictably, Democrats are out there doing their usual, you know, Medicaid, Metascare, and trying to scare old people into believing there's going to be massive cuts to Medicare, Social Security, poor people, elderly people will only eat dog food and cat food until somebody that looks like Donald Trump comes by, takes them in their wheelchair and throws them over a cliff.
I mean, we have heard this now, these these phony false arguments, these fear tactics, these outright lies uh for years.
You go back to Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton when they reduced the rate of growth for Medicaid, they went from seven percent a year every year for seven, they went to seven percent.
They're increasing spending seven percent a year every year for seven years, but because it wasn't the twelve, thirteen percent that they originally had allocated for.
That's a cut.
Well, that's a massive increase because it was twice the rate of inflation.
But that didn't stop Democrats from going out there and demagoguing and just outright lying, just like Joe's not a cognitive mess, just like the borders are secure, uh just like uh inflation is is transitory, uh, etc.
etc.
It's just the same old things.
Republicans are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic.
They want dirty air and water, and they want to kill grandma and grandpa.
Uh Dr. Oz is leading point on this entire issue and talking about what is really in the reconciliation bill.
There is no cut at all as it relates to Medicaid, Medicare at all.
Uh, and here's what he said.
We are responsible for adjudicating about 1.7 trillion dollars to CMS.
That's twice the size of the defense budget.
It's massive.
Puts a big target on our back.
There are massive efforts by foreign governments and you know, domestic uh thieves to steal money from the programs.
We have got to clean up the fraud, waste, and abuse.
The changes that the House bill has, and they're very wise ones, are the ones that are going to allow us to use this pro these programs to protect our vulnerable because when they steal money from these programs, they're stealing from our most vulnerable.
This is the most ambitious health reform bill ever in American history.
It's imperative that it passes so people like me can actually keep CMS running smoothly.
Uh anyway, Dr. Oz also putting out here that changes to the one big beautiful bill are the ones that are going to allow us to use these programs to protect our vulnerable, because when they steal money from these programs, they are stealing from our most vulnerable.
It is imperative that it passes.
Now, what does all that mean when you when you break it down?
We had John Thune on earlier in the week.
We got his take on all of this.
Uh Dr. Oz is heading up this effort.
And and I I want to eliminate any fear, ambiguity.
I want to counter the lies that are being told on this.
Uh, Dr. Memet Oz is with us.
He is the administrator for the Centers for Medicare, Medicaid Services.
Uh Dr. Oz, welcome back, sir.
How are you?
Thank you, Sean.
And you articulated it so beautifully.
We love these programs.
The president has said that explicitly.
He loves and cherishes Medicare and Medicaid.
Not touching Medicare at all, by the way.
Those rumors are already out there.
Senators are being, you know, approached in supermarket aisles saying, Don't cut my Medicare.
No one's touching Medicare.
This is an effort to clean up Medicaid, take care of the f the waste, the fraud, the abuse that's in the system, so that we have enough money to take care of the people uh who are in the program.
The people who we're charged with managing those at the dawn of their life, the children, those at the the twilight of their life, this the elderly and and those in the shadow, Sean, who aren't going to get better necessarily and are and uh they're and they're having difficult times and they've got illnesses that sometimes are chronic.
We want these folks managed for 60 years.
This country has been doing it through Medicaid.
Every great society is judged by how they take care of folks who are having trouble.
We are great people, we do it.
Um, but the fact that we've allowed the system to get perverted over the last few years to make it easy for fraudsters to take advantage of it, to facilitate uh putting people on these programs who don't need to be on the programs, they should be getting their insurance elsewhere, uh, to let people who should be trying to get a job uh not feel some uh desira pressure to do just that.
It's good for them, by the way, anyway, for many reasons.
They'll make more money with a job, but the fact we haven't urged those folks to get out of their houses and try to participate in communities or get an education or just volunteer is is is wrong.
And it hurts the program.
Um and we're seeing this in more and more blue states when governors can't manage their budgets anymore because they haven't been uh uh facing these challenges head on.
And in every state, Sean, in every state, they go the fastest growing health item is is Medicaid it's the health budget.
All right can you break down and and make the distinction for people that may not know between Medicaid and Medicare.
Can you also explain how for the same services Medicaid pays X. Medicare pays Y uh three times as much.
Can you explain that and and so people can have an understanding of how insane this whole system is and and the urgent need for reform.
So when you get your paycheck, there's two point nine percent taken out for the government to pay for Medicare.
Medicare is the insurance program for older Americans once you get past age sixty five there's some other exceptions for chronic illness, but that's basically Medicare.
Medicaid was the program designed for folks who didn't have any money, who didn't meet the federal poverty level of income.
So this is typically children, you know half the children in the country are born into Medicaid or chip the children's health insurance system.
So the kids don't have money because they're not working so if their parents don't have resources they become um financially challenged we want to help those kids and make sure they're ha given appropriate preventive care and and grow up uh healthy and strong their moms are protected.
Uh folks who have are living a a life where they've had difficulties getting a job or holding a job and don't have income are also given health insurance through Medicaid.
This is a a social uh uh obligation I feel um and I think as a nation we have decided and for sixty years we have provided insurance to these Medicaid folks it was all going fine.
And then over the last fifteen years there's been an effort by primarily the Democratic party to reengineer it to expand Medicaid to allow it to cover people who were not part of the original deal.
When you do that you create some risks and I'm not saying it was done on purpose but there's no question what happened there was a dramatic increase in the amount of money that was being spent to give people insurance through Medicaid.
Even people who should be working in jobs were now given Medicaid insurance coverage and it has allowed those programs Medicaid to grow 50% well how did they allow for this eligibility?
I'm not trying to interrupt you here.
Sean it never crossed anyone's mind sixty years ago that you would ever give free health insurance to able bodied individuals.
And they didn't put it in the in the law because it never dawned on anybody you'd even try to do that.
But with the Obama care uh program because they they didn't think they could afford to do it through the other tactics that were offered they decided you know what we'll just expand Medicaid.
We'll give Medicaid insurance not just to the to the kids and to the you know poor folks and the elderly we'll actually give it to able bodied individuals or not who don't have a job.
And so by doing that you be you introduced a whole different dynamic.
And then here's the part that really gets me to your initial question.
When Obama wrote the uh put this law in place he said that you could not pay more for an able bodied person than someone on Medicare.
I'll say it again a Medicaid patient an able bodied person without a job and therefore living in poverty and given free insurance by the government was not allowed to pay a doctor more than a senior who'd worked their whole life and put money into the system retired on Medicare.
And the reason for that is because you don't want doctors deciding to take care of Medicaid patients over Medicare patients, right?
They're all equal this changed under the Biden administration they changed it to say you could pay Medicaid patients, these able bodied individuals up to three times more than Medicare.
That of course completely destroyed the system.
Because now you have doctors thinking my goodness you know I get paid more for taking care of an able bodied healthy person on Medicaid than I do an older person who's on Medicare so it begins to cause huge instability in the system.
This one big beautiful bill is a bold and appropriate effort to fix this injustice.
It's the right thing to do.
I know that people are making up stories around it but I want to applaud the the Republican senators who are have crafted a um some improvements to a bill that was already really well done by the House.
Speaker Johnson got uh congressional uh leaders together and crafted a very very effective bill it's exactly what we need with within government to make sure that Medicaid is going to be around for the next generation.
Well it's headed towards insolvency Based on every estimate that I've seen over the years.
My question is all right, so you have able bodied people.
Now we we do have millions of jobs open in the country right now.
We had the latest job numbers come out.
It's it's very clear there's millions of them.
And so you have able-bodied people that are on these Medicaid roles and they're paying all this we are paying for their health care, which ostensibly you correct me if I'm wrong, is that not nationalized health care?
Yeah, that's this is you know we're we're we're edging perilously close to that.
And we have a system that would work if we kept the incentives in place the way they were originally designed.
And Sean, I I can't emphasize this enough.
The original program created sixty years ago next month, worked well.
I mean, it took care of the the groups that I mentioned uh who otherwise would have been left behind.
And as a great nation, we will continue to do that.
The Republican Party just wants these programs to survive.
You look around the country at at states like California and Illinois and Minnesota, which just today I was reading in in the paper uh in the that uh they are starting to pull back from some of their programs to fund illegal immigrants on Medicaid.
I mean, first of all, it it's it's not the right thing to do because people in other states should not be forced to pay for decisions you make in your state, but more importantly, they couldn't, they can't even afford it in their own states.
So we need to make the bold and correct judge uh uh decisions today to save these vitally important programs for tomorrow.
What do we do with these these states that are paying massive amounts of money to illegal immigrants, for example, like California, about two-thirds of the health care payments for the poor, indigenous or people that are not working, is that not coming from the federal government, meaning every taxpayer, not just Californians?
Yes, yes, yes.
I don't think people know this, Sean, and your listeners as smart as they are may not have kept up with this.
I'll just put the numbers out there.
Ninety percent of the money that a state might pay to a Medicaid patient who's able-bodied, uh, is going to come from the federal government.
Ninety percent.
So they make the decision of who they want to cover, and we're stuck with the bill.
So we have said already in this administration we are not going to compensate you for undocumented individuals.
If they're illegal immigrants and you want to give them Medicaid on your dollar, then it's up to you to do that.
We're not going to do it.
And that's why you now see all of a sudden California, Illinois, Minnesota, states that had made these decisions and were boldly standing tall because they're going to do the right thing.
Now they're saying, well, it's not that right.
Because we can't afford it.
All of a sudden, instead of being in a surplus uh for our state budget, we're in a big deficit, and they're now starting to get upset that we're not compensating them.
But it's not right to ask someone living in Florida or Texas to pay for an illegal immigrant on Medicaid in California.
They didn't vote for it, they don't want it, it's not their responsibility.
And I'm not doing my job.
I'm not representing the president well uh if I'm allowing that to happen.
So this administration is very clear.
We are going to take care of the American people.
Uh the president always has, he always will.
This battle, although it's politically bruising, is the right thing to do uh for those Americans who will need Medicaid in the future.
We will preserve it, we will protect it, we will love and cherish it.
All right, quick break more with Dr. Owls on the other side, and your calls coming up 800, 941 Sean, as we continue this Friday.
All right, we continue now with Dr. Oz.
He is the administrator for uh the centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
Let's talk about the advancement in the future of medicine.
For example, uh I I brought this up the last time you were on the program.
We have uh a guy, Dr. Josh Umber, he's out of Wichita, Kansas, and he had a concierge service, fifty dollars a month for adult, ten dollars per child, and it was twenty-four-hour concierge care, they would take care of almost all of your medical needs, you know, short of cancer, heart attack, stroke, and and really severe uh circumstances.
But if you took that fifty dollars a month and you coupled it with a catastrophic plan with the lowest deductible you can afford, it would fully cover individuals.
It included telemedicine as part of it, it included health care cooperatives like this as part of it.
I mean, we've we've got to re-examine, in my view, the paradigm how we do medicine.
Well, I think we need to bring in digital solutions, and you just hinted at those.
Programs like the one you outlined make a lot of sense because there's a lot of uh alignment of incentives.
This is again what the president is so good at.
You align what the federal government wants with what the state governments wants with what the doctors want with what the patients want.
So if a doctor is giving that kind of care at those transparent prices, And then you can ex you can scale it, you can grow it by allowing there to be uh some crutching on digital solutions.
I'll give you a good example.
Doctors spend most of their time charting.
You don't want your doctor and nurse writing in the chart all the time.
You want them looking you in the eyes taking care of you.
We have technology now that would allow us to gather while the doctors in their workflow, while they're taking care of you, gather the data um electronically and you know and tabulate and make it accessible and understandable with uh with artificial intelligence so the patient can have a copy when they go home to share with their family.
That's something we should be making easy to do, not hard to do.
You mentioned telemedicine, another good example where, especially in rural areas, and I want to just focus on this.
We have got to help rural medicine.
Uh members of uh the audience who are living in rural areas, the Republican Party, this bill is going to help you.
And maybe people are making up stories about how it's designed to you know hurt some of the poor hospitals is the opposite.
The hospitals that had lobbyists and are located in affluent urban areas, they're able to get all the contacts they need to take money out of the out of the system.
The folks who are left behind need to have transparent tactics to help them.
What you just brought up is an example of that.
We have the technology to do it.
We should be investing in rural health care to make sure all Americans need equal access to high quality care.
Dr. Oz, I hope people are hearing you loud and clear, because this is gonna result in improved health care on a level that we've never seen before, institutionalized modernization uh in the medical care system, and Americans will be healthier as a result.
Uh, Dr. Oz, appreciate your time as always.
Thank you, sir, for being with us.
Uh, when we get back, 800, 941 Shauna's on number.
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Not much I can tell you.
I can't help it.
There's certain Democrats that just stand out that I really, really love.
And one of them, we don't talk enough about them, and that's uh Congressman Hank Johnson.
You might recall his warning that Guam may capsize.
Listen.
I don't know how many square miles that that is.
Do you uh happen to know?
I don't have that uh figure with me, sir.
I can certainly supply it to you if you'd like.
Yeah, my fear is that uh the whole island will uh become so overly populated that it will tip over and uh and capsize.
Uh we don't anticipate that.
I mean, you really can't make it up.
Uh and that's why there's certain like Jasmine Crockett, AOC, the squad.
Um I I I there's just certain Democrats I I like more than others.
Grandpa Bernie.
I think they're all crazy.
And they make good representatives.
Uh Anyway, here's Hank Johnson and his bizarre rant on Trump and the administration's deportations.
Now remember, we're deporting, let's see, murderers, child molesters, gang members, drug dealers.
Listen.
First, they came for the Latinos outside of the Home Depots.
And I didn't say anything about it because I'm not a Latino at the Home Depot.
Then they came for the Hispanic looking folks wearing hats backward with tattoos.
And I didn't say anything about that because I don't wear my hair backward.
And um I don't have any tattoos, and I don't look like a Latino.
And then they came and arrested a white female judge, a state court judge.
And I didn't say anything then because I'm not a judge or white female judge, state court.
I mean, again, the guy's a real genius.
And then when remember when Joe Biden's classified documents, you know, they were in his garage next to the Corvette.
They were in four separate locations.
Going back to his years in the Senate in some cases, you could go to the the library at whatever college uh they were stored at, he thinks that Biden's classified documents could have been planted.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Listen.
Things can be planted.
Um things, things can be planted in places uh and then discovered conveniently.
That may be what has occurred here.
I'm not ruling that out.
And people on the local level uh at affected school board meetings, they won't forget the MAGA uh Republicans descending on their school board meetings uh after January 6, like January 6th, disrupting meetings.
It was a co coordinated uh attack happening across the country.
Americans won't forget about it.
Uh school board uh members, teachers, administrators subjected to violence, threats of violence, harassment, intimidation.
Uh and in response to that, the National School Boards Association sent a letter to the Biden administration seeking federal help.
Things had gotten so far out of hand.
Well, Hank Johnson, the reason I bring all this up, the man that thinks the Guam can capsize uh back in the news today because he has an anti-Trump song inspired by Jimi Hendrix.
Remember, Hey Joe?
That's an oldie.
Anyway, here's his version.
Compelled with a new guitar and with some thoughts about that old song, uh Hey Joe, um, you know, to give some commentary on where we are now.
um Hey Trump.
Where you going with that?
Gun in your hand.
Hey Trump.
Where you going with that gun in your hand?
I'm going down the street, shoot down democracy.
You know I want to be a king someday.
I'm going down and shoot democracy down.
You know I want to be the king someday.
Hey, Donald Trump.
We won't let you take our democracy down.
Take it down to the ground.
Hey Trump.
We won't let you take our democracy down.
Burn it down to the ground.
Linda, you love that.
You you used to be the musician and art.
I gotta tell you, if he tuned the guitar and actually could sing, then it would be amazing.
But if you slow down if he tuned the guitar and could sing, and then it would be amazing then it would be amazing and if he you know I don't know maybe ask somebody else to perform it but if he was on the island of Guam and it did capsize we could contact him with Rapid Radios and I think that would come in useful for Hank.
In fact I think Hank would sing us that song from Guam you know if he felt really you know moved to do so I I don't disagree with you at all.
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Glad you called I am just leaving Ruth Eckert Hall right now.
I got my tickets for Saturday.
Oh really oh so you got your ticket I I'm so I'm so happy.
That's awesome.
Yeah there's not many left not many.
There's a couple of seats you know up in front of me that are a little pricey but yeah it's gonna be a big salad it's gonna be awesome.
Yeah I was told that there's less than like a hundred tickets left and uh but you know I hope everyone comes has a great time and uh we're really working on a great show.
It's one week from tomorrow.
Can you believe it?
It's here.
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It's gonna be great.
We've got one problem though.
There's a big sign I'm standing looking at it says no weapons allowed on premises so I guess uh you're gonna be the only one that's armed uh that would be a good thing for me but um if there's no weapons allowed on premises that probably means me there there will be plenty of security there you have to assume where I show up that there's gonna be somebody that hates my guts right oh yeah I there's uh many liberals floating around this campus right now I see as I get in my car.
Yeah you know and the they make it fun they'll make it entertaining yeah I it's gonna be fun.
Um I just I I really admire the way that you can uh dance on the razor blade when you're talking about I know your friendship with the president and things that you can and can't talk about I'm a retired Navy chief um did time in a carrier in the Gulf War and then wound up in the streets of Baghdad 15 years later when the Sheites and the Sunis were thought it was more fun to kill us than each other but I I really admire uh what you do and I think that uh I don't think the president is going to pass this on to anybody else.
I mean Reagan had his Russians and and Trump knows what he's got to do and I think he's handling it well and trying to get him to surrender but um I don't think he's gonna pass this along this has to be done now.
Do you agree?
Well he's been very clear and I take him at his word and and frankly he has a history of keeping his word on these issues the the caliphate is an example uh Baghdadian associates is an example so Lomani is an example he dropped the mother of all bombs if you recall so he's not against using military force.
I know that there are you know some some people that kind of pervertedly have interpreted um uh not forever war to mean no military use ever um but you know people are entitled to their opinion I don't really care what they think or what they say uh I have my opinion and I just believe that evil has to be confronted And otherwise it would be a big, big mistake if you allowed them to get these weapons.
That's my opinion.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So listen, good seeing you.
I'm good talking to you, and I'll see you next week.
Hopefully, I get a chance to shake your hand.
All right, my friend, I'm looking forward to it.
And thank you.
We'll have a great time.
I'm we're gonna put our heart and soul onto it.
I can promise you that.
All right, quick freak, we'll come right back.
More of your phone calls coming up straight ahead, 800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, that's 800-941 Sean as we continue straight ahead.
All right, let's get back to our busy phones this Friday, 800-941-SHAWN, our number.
David in Texas.
God bless Texas.
David, happy Friday to you, sir.
What's going on?
How are you, Sean?
I'm calling you from the other free state in our country, the state of Texas.
Um as a veteran, I just wanted to thank you for the support that you give us.
I love your show.
You are the uh reincarnate of Rush Limbaugh.
You are the voice of this movie.
You can't, you know, you know, he's he's Babe Ruth.
There's only one babe Ruth.
Well, I like I even love the products on your show.
I'm hoping that taxes, uh, no tax on overtime happens so I can get a burner.
But listen, the reason I called is to ask you.
I I gotta assume that Iran is somewhat a little bit intelligent about they know that nobody can reach that deep except us.
What do you think the chances are that the material in that bunker is being moved?
Is it possible that those Chinese military planes are moving the enriched uranium out so that it's not destroyed?
I don't like any of it.
Um I think that um I I'm very suspicious.
Uh either that or they're providing some military equipment of some kind.
So I I really don't know.
And I just honestly, I I just hope that this issue is resolved safely.
I agree with the president's proposition that he keeps repeating that they can't have nuclear weapons and unconditional surrender.
And, you know, I'm I'm not really moved by the fact that all that he is giving them an additional two weeks.
I assume he has more information than I do.
And and that's the best I can say.
I mean, I I think he has a track record.
I know there are people isolationist types in his ear that would, you know, rather we turn a blind eye, and I think that would put the world on the precipice of a potential, you know, Holocaust in our lifetime.
And that's pretty scary just based on their previous actions, right?
Right.
And the other thing that concerns me is I don't think the uh retaliation Iran's going to do is going to be anything against our military because that's too obvious, and we're preparing for that.
I agree with you about the uh immigrants that came in illegally.
I think it's gonna be something a cell that gets woken up here in our country.
I pray that doesn't happen.
But I think that that's already in place, and um I just pray to God that that's not what you know.
The argument that people are making not to get involved because uh there might be an attack on the homeland.
Those people are already here.
I've been saying now for years that it's not when it's if uh it's not if it's when.
It's gonna happen.
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Mayorcus, they allowed known terrorists in the country.
We have Iranian assassination squads in the country.
So you know, whether this could be a trigger, it it was a trigger that was gonna be pulled at some point anyway.
And I hope to God that our FBI and that our intelligence community is able to track these people down.
I really do, with all my heart.
Well, I appreciate your time and I love what you do, and thank you from the bottom of my heart as a veteran.
Well, thank you for serving your country.
You're a good man.
God bless you.
God bless Texas, my friend.
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