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I believe they didn't give us the final number.
It was either the fourth or fifth vote.
The first, was it the fourth or fifth, Linda?
I don't remember.
It was the fourth.
All right, on the fourth vote, and it can happen anywhere between two and usually 15.
And anyway, we have a new pope that has been selected the first American-born pope, graduated from Villanova.
He's been elected Pope, and his name is Robert Prévost.
And he has taken on the name Pope Leo XIV.
Very interesting background.
And, you know, half of the Christians in the world are Catholic.
Did you know that, Linda?
I did not know that.
Yeah, half of them.
Born in Illinois, 1955, Pope Leo XIV graduated from Villanova, bachelor's degree in math, 1977, a member of the Augustine, I know I'm not saying that right, religious order, elected the top leader of the order twice.
In an article about Prévost's selection as cardinal, the former head of the province of St. Thomas of Villanova referred to him as our brother Bob.
After Villanova, he studied at Catholic theological union in Chicago, was ordained a priest in 1982 before he was named a cardinal by Pope Francis in 2023.
He had held other previously high positions, though, and most have been a leading candidate, except for his nationality, interestingly.
It had been a long, you know, whatever taboo against the U.S. Pope, given the geopolitical power already wielded by the U.S., I guess, in the secular sphere.
But anyway, Prévost, it's just interesting.
It's just the whole thing was interesting to watch unfold.
I will tell you, the years in the Catholic Church for me, 12 years of Catholic school, were very, very good for me.
Gave me a good spiritual, foundational.
There's so much that I like about the Catholic Church.
The thing is, the few criticisms, I'm not going to bring him up on this day, but he's a brilliant guy.
He has a doctorate in canon law that he got in Rome at the College of St. Thomas Aquinas.
Two decades he served in Peru and became a naturalized citizen.
And prior to that, he served in many different capacities and directly for Pope Francis.
You know, a lot of people are interested in, and they were basically three groups.
It's kind of like everything, everything's political, right?
There were those that were deemed more conservative, those that were deemed more in line with Pope Francis, who I thought was very liberal, too liberal for my liking, to be very blunt.
And I won't go through the whole conclave.
If you want to know how Conclave actually works, go watch the movie.
People that actually have been through it say that process.
Now, it has a kind of bizarre ending to the story, but putting that aside, the actual process is kind of akin to what really happens.
We do know he has said some things on some controversial issues.
We know the New York Times reported in 2012, he indicated that pop culture created, quote, sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the gospel.
In a speech to bishops, he referred to the homosexual lifestyle and alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their adopted children.
On immigration, he it's interesting as a bishop in Peru, had him work with a lot of immigrants.
And per the New York Times, he was praised in the country for efforts to support Venezuelan immigrants, not talking about the U.S., but I believe he was talking about Peru in that interview.
Newsweek could not confirm any details of his position on any of the conflicts, for example, going on around the world, Russia, Ukraine.
Prevost, you know, long-standing ally of the Pope Francis who just passed.
And we'll see.
I don't think anybody will be as influential as Pope John Paul II.
But, you know, you have high hopes.
I think the world does need a spiritual reawakening in many, many ways.
And that's just my own personal opinion.
President congratulated Pope Leo on his selection and said it's such an honor to realize that he is the first American Pope.
He said, What excitement?
What a great honor for our country.
I look forward to meeting Pope Leo XIV.
It will be a very meaningful moment for the president.
I don't think a lot of people know the president.
I can tell you firsthand is way more of a believer than people might think.
Well, Hannity, what about all the allegations?
I don't want to, I just, please, I can't take it anymore.
Your hatred is getting old and predictable.
But it was, it was just, it's just a fascinating moment in history to watch.
And I found myself in the middle of my prep routine today watching way too much of it.
Linda, did you find yourself doing the same thing?
I mean, the process is very interesting.
You know, some of the mourning of the previous Pope and putting him to rest, I thought those were a little strange.
As a Catholic, I was like, that's a little weird.
But watching the people gather today, and he actually spoke the Abe Maria, and I just, I don't know, there were certain things I really liked.
I'm not the biggest fan of him just yet.
We'll see.
Oh, boy.
I mean, there's a chance he might end up on the hate list and the backsliding.
We'll get to that later.
He might be a woke pope.
We shall see.
I don't think there's no indication he'll be a woke pope.
No indication at all.
The other big news of the day, we will spend a lot of time on this.
The president, and let me backtrack a second here.
Not to say that I told you so, but all the hand-wringing and all the skittishness on Wall Street and all of the overreaction because Donald Trump did what Donald Trump was elected to do.
He ran as a disruptor, an iconoclast, one that shatters illusions, and he challenges old ways of doing things.
You know, look at the Iron Dome.
Look at energy dominance, deporting illegal immigrants, building a wall, the Ukraine mineral deal.
Everything he does is out of the box.
And most everything he thinks about doing is big, like peace in Europe, peace in the Middle East.
I know there are people that just want him to fail just so they can say, oh, you failed.
You failed.
Well, at least he's in there taking a shot and taking a swing.
He's up at bat.
And everybody was freaking out.
Oh, there's not going to be trade deals.
And I kept saying that just be patient.
This is 50 to 60 years of establishment institutionalized ways of doing things.
And he said, no, it's no longer time for America to allow systemic ripping off of our country and being abused and being treated unfairly by countries, friend and foe alike.
And that's when he announced his big trade deal with the United Kingdom today.
I can't think of a more appropriate day, by the way, for him to have done this.
What is it, the 80th anniversary, I believe, of the end of World War II.
I think it was the perfect day to do it.
Interestingly, even China now is at the table.
The deal with Great Britain that he announced today will open up British markets to plenty of American farm products, chemicals, machinery.
The president said beef, ethanol, agricultural products are going to flood into the UK.
The British also agreed to drop non-tariff trade barriers.
In return, the UK will see new business partnerships with major American companies and receive relief on sector-specific tariffs.
U.S. tariffs on British cars will be reduced From 27.5% to 10% for a quarter of 100,000 British autos and steel and aluminum tariffs will be slashed to zero.
You know, if the president didn't try, that wouldn't have happened.
I reported to you yesterday, you know, the widely watched Atlanta Fed, the Atlanta Fed has a lot of credibility.
And we reported yesterday two major developments.
The first was Goldman Sachs and the Atlanta Fed had both increased the GDP growth projections of the second quarter to over 2%.
And what was interesting about it is Goldman revised their growth projection from negative three-tenths of 1% to 2.4%.
That is a massive adjustment.
The same day, the Atlanta Fed increased their GDP projection from 1.1 to 2.2.
They doubled it.
This morning, the Atlanta Fed raised it even higher.
They came out with a new GDP projection for this quarter at 2.3%.
Now, this GDP new model estimate for real GDP growth in the second quarter, maybe they're finally paying attention to what's been happening.
$8 trillion that has been committed to manufacturing in the next four years is real.
You know, we announced last night on Hannity, the president is leaving Monday.
I will be on that trip reporting, going on the trip.
We're going to be broadcasting Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday next week from Saudi Arabia and Riyadh.
We will be in Doha.
We'll be in Qatar.
Then we're going to the UAE and Abu Dhabi, and we'll be broadcasting from all three of those countries.
We're going to try and bring you a front-row seat into what such a big trip is all about.
One of the biggest issues is, you know, look at the investment.
The UAE has committed $1.5 trillion in investment in manufacturing in the U.S. Saudi Arabia, $1 trillion.
Lindsey Graham will join us later, says, you know, this is the future of business, and they want to be in business with the United States.
Now, one interesting other thing, you know, people, I would expect after this United Kingdom announcement today that there are going to be other countries now.
I know for a fact because I've talked to the people involved that there are other countries that we're very close to announcing trade deals with.
And, you know, when you couple that with the $8 trillion in committed investment between business and other countries, when you couple that with the specific industries that are investing, it's good for national security.
Like, we've got to build, we've got to manufacture our pharmaceuticals in this country.
We've got to manufacture our chips in this country.
We can't be reliant on China.
They're not a reliable partner for these items.
We have automotive manufacturing.
As the president said, we want to make our cars here in America.
Now, we can partner with other countries and their car companies like Honda, Nissan, Hyende, have all made deals to manufacture their cars and get their parts from America.
Great.
That's good for American workers.
And with people being deported, that's going to mean less competition for high-paying career jobs.
There's a story today, and we'll get to that, about how young kids in high school are being recruited to be trained in the trades, and their starting pay is $70,000 a year.
It makes you really want to rethink college at that point because, you know, that article I've referred to now a few times about the next generation of millionaires are going to be tradesmen.
Now, in the lead up to Scott Besson, the Treasury Secretary's meeting in Geneva with China representatives, well, it's interesting.
It seems like an olive branch to me.
Boeing announced that they received orders for more than a dozen wide-body jets from China's state-owned airline.
And that order is apparently a calculated gesture of goodwill from my interpretation ahead of these negotiations on Saturday.
And Boeing announced that China Airlines has become the newest 777 customer with an order of 10 passenger and four freight airplanes.
In addition to the firm order, the airline has options to purchase nine more 777s.
Last month, another Chinese airline delayed the delivery of a wide-body aircraft from Boeing.
The delay was suspected to be part of the non-tariff countermeasure.
I don't think it's an accident that it's happening just before this meeting is taking place in Geneva this weekend.
But of course, if you look at the mainstream state-run legacy media mob and just their classic maneuver, the New York Times continues to push the Trump recession hoax while admitting the data shows that the economy is healthy.
They just contradict themselves and jobless claims fell more than expected.
And Doug Bergham is warning that the U.S. could suffer widespread Biden blackouts because of the over-reliance on green energy.
What stupidity between that and what Sean Duffy inherited.
I can't believe what Sean Duffy's telling us.
They haven't updated a thing.
I was wrong.
I see that the new post, I'm sorry, Pope Prévost apparently has been critical of President Trump and on the issue of immigration.
That's pretty disappointing.
Does he not know?
Do people not know how many Americans were murdered and raped and victims of violent crime because we don't have open borders?
He says there's nothing remotely Christian American or morally defensible about a policy that takes children away from their parents and warehouses them in cages.
I hope somebody might tell the new Pope that the kids in cages happened under Obama and then later under Biden because I've got the video to prove it.
And nobody's taking children away from their parents.
I mean, it sounds like he's been indoctrinated into the liberal way of thinking, although in 2012, he had a different position on the issue of gay rights.
But, well, it's fairly predictable.
This is the church has been leaning more left-wing, more left-wing.
Once tried to criticize JD Vance as well for talking about Americans, you know, love God with all your heart and your neighbor is yourself.
The neighbor is the person next door, not the person in another continent.
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I did mention, well, it is a little bit disappointing.
Apparently, the new Pope, which is, I guess, now Pope Leo XIV, whose name, who's, they come out, they tell you the name he was born with, in this case, Robert Prévost, and he's taken on the name Pope Leo XIV.
But apparently, he has been critical of, even though it's the first American pope of President Trump and his immigration policies.
And very similar to Pope Francis.
And I'm not really, I really have a hard time understanding it, to be honest.
I don't want to get too critical on this day where so many Catholics are happy.
But I wish popes would focus on the mission of, You know, helping people find salvation in Jesus and understand the mystery of the Eucharist and the history of the church and understanding that human beings are mind, body, and soul and focus on the soul part, not the politics part.
But in one thing that he retweeted, there is nothing remotely Christian American or morally defensible about a policy that takes children away from their parents and warehouses them in cages.
Now, you might recall we tried to get in the middle of COVID and early in Biden's term, they were allowing in all of these unvetted illegals and they were putting all these kids in cages.
And we sent Sarah Carter and our cameras down to get images of it, and we were denied access.
And then Senator Ted Cruz was given access because he is a U.S. Senator.
And I asked him if he'd take videos and share them with us.
And that's how those images were made public.
Anyway, and nobody is taking their children away from their parents.
And under Joe Biden, we're still missing 350,000 kids that came into this because we don't know where they were.
We don't know where they are.
I mean, we don't know how many of them might have been, you know, sold into sex slavery for crying out loud and sex trafficking because we know that goes on and on.
Anyway, also, apparently, the new Pope has previously shared an op-ed from the National Catholic Reporter entitled JD Vance is Wrong: Jesus Doesn't Ask Us to Rank Our Love for Others, following comments that the vice president made on Fox News in February.
I don't know if this was an interview with me or not.
I don't recall.
During the interview, Vance said there is a Christian concept that you love your family and your neighbor, and then you love your community, and then you love your fellow citizens, and then after that, prioritize the rest of the world.
He's basically saying, Love everybody.
Why is that controversial?
Anyway, the new Catholic Pope shared an op-ed saying Vance was wrong.
Now, both the president and the vice president have gone out very publicly and congratulated the new pope on his position.
What is the Bible is very clear: love God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul, and your neighbor as yourself.
Okay, your neighbor, first, your neighbor is the people you come into contact with every day.
And you have to love your family.
Those are the people your number one responsibility is to take care of your family, but you got to put God first in your life.
Okay, I agree with all of that.
But then the people that you're most likely to need to show the most love to are your family, your neighbors, your co-workers, your community, your country.
And there's nothing wrong.
And JD Vance says that.
Then, you know, he goes on to say, and then you help people around the world.
The American people are the most generous people on earth.
Well, I'm not really sure how this ends up, to be honest.
It just sounds like more of the same.
Very in line with Pope Francis.
With all that said, it was actually a special thing to watch, knowing that half the world's Christians are Catholic.
But I will tell you, overall, for me, the Catholic Church has served me well in my life in many, many ways, more than I can even list.
Because I learned about God and the Bible, and it was instilled in me.
My parents made me go to church.
My parents were very devout.
And until I was old enough to be able to, you know, get away.
I went to the early mass dad.
I went early.
Meanwhile, he was sleeping.
But then I went to Catholic schools for 12 years.
I studied theology.
I studied Latin.
I went to Mass every day.
I love the liturgy.
I love the Eucharist.
It is the reenactment of the Last Supper.
Jesus said, take this bread, eat it.
This is my body given up for you.
Gave thanks and praise, took the cup of wine.
This is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
It'll be shed for you and for all men for the forgiveness of sins.
Do this in memory of me, which is why the Mass does that.
And when you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the death of Jesus as your Lord and Savior, sent by God himself, the Son of God, to reconcile man and their sins, original sin.
We're all sinners, all have sinned and fallen short.
That's the whole concept of it, which is in itself great.
You know, but as long as I'm on it, I might as well stay here.
But my disagreement is over, you know, 11 of the 12 apostles were married.
I learned that in theology in high school.
And so Jesus chose married men or men to be married that would be married.
And they were his apostles, his chosen 12.
And the first, what, 1,100, 1,200 years, I don't remember exactly, priests were allowed to marry in the church.
I think at that moment, and then the motivation for changing that policy was probably rooted in the fact that the church, it probably had to do with financial issues.
Everything I've read indicates that it does, and that the church didn't want to lose money, you know, with a divorce.
I guess prenups weren't as common back then.
They're pretty common now.
But my point is, at that point, I think you took the potential, the pool of potential priests down to a very low, negligible level.
And that means that the standards then would be reduced.
You're not having people compete, you know, and having, you know, instead of hundreds of thousands of applicants, you know, now maybe you're down to a thousand.
And pretty much, if you have a beating heart, that means the odds are pretty high that you'll make it.
And so, and sadly, it did attract some of the wrong people.
And then the church, unfortunately, rather than deal with the scandals head on, at the local level, the parish level, the bishops, the cardinals, you know, and all the way to Rome, they never dealt with it appropriately, in my view.
That's where I feel the church went wrong.
Not on any of the other things.
You know, it's interesting.
I'll give you a little bit of background.
Linda, if I'm getting boring on this, tell me.
You're not answering.
You're not giving me affirmation of saying enough is enough, right?
I'm curious.
It was such a big part of my life.
You left us on a cliffhanger.
And I think it would be interesting for the audience to know that you went to seminary and did all the things.
Okay.
So the Catholic Church is founded on Jesus asking his apostles, who do you say that I am?
And he asked Peter.
Remember, his name was originally Simon.
He said, well, no, I'm going to call you Peter.
It was a big part of the biblical story.
And Peter was fishing when Jesus met him and he didn't catch a single fish.
He said, drop your net one more time.
And he had more fish.
He was able to pay off his debt.
And then he said, you know, follow me and I'll make you fishers of men.
But the whole premise of the Catholic Church is founded on this scripture where, you know, Peter, who do you say that I am?
And he said, you are the Christ.
You are the son of the living God.
And Jesus' answer was, well, flesh and blood didn't reveal this to you, Peter.
My father revealed that unto your heart.
And it's upon this foundation that I shall build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
Here's the interesting side of it.
When I studied theology, in Latin, Peter means Petros, which means rock.
And upon they took it Peter, the man, the rock, would become the foundation of the church.
I took it very differently.
My interpretation is my own, so take it for what it's worth.
That Peter understood who Jesus was because flesh and blood didn't reveal who Jesus was to him, that God the Father did.
And it is upon the foundation of having a direct relationship with God and inner revelation that Jesus' church will be built.
Inner discernment called the conscience.
It's called the soul.
You know, how many of us, in the course of our lives, when you do something wrong, you know you're doing something wrong.
You listen to the wrong voice.
Or, you know, as you get older and more mature and more mature spiritually and more disciplined in life, then you make the right decisions.
That's part of, you know, gradually, graciously abandoning the things of youth.
So I think the spiritual component was way more important than Peter, the rock, the pope, Petros, and so on and so forth.
All right.
Was that worthwhile or not?
Of course it was.
I mean, I think you have a background.
You know, you're basically a theologian.
You know, you have a very, very strong background, and you have obviously, you know, you've been committed to, you know, the word of the Lord for a very, very long time.
And it's amazing.
I don't think a lot of the audience knows that.
I don't talk a lot about it.
I don't proselytize in life.
I messed up too much in my life.
I was too much.
I was so friggin incorrigible in my youth that I, you know, I have no right to tell anybody what to do, to be very honest.
Nobody has anybody the right to tell anybody what to do.
You know, that's my whole thing is backsliding.
I'm not backsliding.
I don't even like sliding.
I'm more of a standing still kind of gal.
I like the Peloton, you know, a nice brisk hard.
But you have a hate list.
I do.
I hate a lot of people.
Love God.
Love your neighbor.
He didn't say anywhere in the Bible to hate anybody.
He said to forgive people 70 times seven.
Just never stop forgiving them.
Yeah, I'm not in math.
I'm in media.
Yeah, I'm doing my best.
You become a liberal when this topic comes up because you're not a liberal.
Sorry.
No, but you rationalize and make excuses like liberals do.
No, it's the opposite.
I'm not making excuses.
I'm not rationalizing.
What is the Lord's prayer sense?
Forgive us as we forgive.
I mean, if you want forgiveness, it's predicated on you forgiving those people on your stupid hate list that you cling to like manna from heaven.
But I do.
Like, I don't, I'm sorry.
I don't forgive pedophiles.
I don't forgive murderers.
I don't forgive rapists.
I don't forgive people who hurt animals in any way, shape, or form.
I do not forgive them.
I do not.
And I hope that, you know.
Listen, you mentioned pedophiles.
I don't think I can forgive them either.
I might be with you on that part.
You know, one of the most interesting things in Pope John Paul II's life that he did, you remember he got shot?
Everyone forgets that.
Remember the guy who tried to kill him?
Okay.
He went to prison to pray with the guy.
Isn't that amazing?
That's insane.
Why is that insane?
He's the Pope.
He's practically human.
Well, yeah, but he's still human.
So if you were the Pope and somebody tried to assassinate you or wanted to assassinate you, you wouldn't go visit them in prison as Jesus instructed us to do.
When I was hungry, you gave me food.
When I needed clothes, you gave me clothes.
When I was in prison, you visited me.
Yours is, you know, the hell with you.
And you're on my hate list.
No, I'd be like, I got a guy.
He's going to come visit you and let you know how I feel about this.
I got a guy that's going to come there and kick the crap out of you.
Is that what you're saying?
I got a guy in cell block 12.
All right.
He's going to come and say hi to you.
His name's Frank.
Stand by.
I did not plan on talking about any of this.
I don't know why, where it came from.
Regardless of all of this, I think it's beautiful to see that there's so many people of faith, you know, Christians, Catholic, you know, praising the people.
The Catholic Church has served me well.
It has served me so well in my life, and it gave me a foundation.
And I'm grateful for that.
Although now I consider myself non-denominational.
But it was nice to see, although I wish this guy wasn't political.
I hope he doesn't go there where Pope Francis did.
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