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Speaker Newt Gingrich on a Changing Nation - May 2nd, Hour 2
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Always a privilege to welcome back to the program former Speaker of the House, New King Rich, Mr. Speaker, has a new book soon to be released.
It's called Trump's Triumph that talks about changing the nation, the world under President Trump.
You know, I'm actually kind of focusing in on the shock and awe aspect and all the reverberations surrounding Donald Trump and this week, the milestone of 100 days and the left going insane and crazy.
And absolutely, they are the nuts party.
And more importantly, how the president has taken on the institutionalist mindset and he looks at everything anew.
And that is shocking to people.
And it's not shocking to people like yourself because you, in your way, did it in a major way, actually, when you were Speaker of the House.
But it took some getting used to before you even became Speaker.
They were saying you're the Scrooge that stole Christmas.
Well, before we jump into that, I'm just reminding you of the fond memories of yesteryear.
No, listen.
Well, we still are the only people to balance the budget for four years and literally last century in 100 years.
So I'm pretty proud of that.
Now we have a chance to chat a little bit.
I'm not letting you get off of last night.
I thought you putting, first of all, putting President Trump in a great speech at Alabama and then pivoting immediately to Kamala Harris looking lonely, pathetic, confused.
I thought that was as cruel as anything I ever.
I talked to the president later on because I thought his speech was historic and extraordinary.
I told him I thought what you did was really mean.
What was mean about it?
Well, because she's pathetic.
Look, just by herself, she's pathetic.
But you put her up next to Trump.
Kind of by design.
You know, I actually think through these things and I thought it was a perfect transition.
I know.
Okay.
And if you remember, I stopped at one point and I said, I need to, as a public service, thank each and every one of you for going out and working so hard and voting in this election to save us from that.
Oh, I know.
I know I tell you, that was as bad as I've ever seen her.
I mean, I don't know.
It was so bad.
I don't know what was worse.
The giggling, the elephant story, or the dancing?
Or just the look on her face.
I mean, it's like, you know, she's something, I think she cannot come to grips with having lost.
And so she's now living in a total fantasy world.
Anyway.
But isn't that the case for most people?
Haven't we learned that?
Yeah.
No.
I mean, isn't it the regular practice, though?
Somebody runs for president.
They all believe they're going to win.
That's what I've learned.
Sure.
And a lot of people we've seen in our lifetime.
Hillary Clinton would be one.
I'd argue John McCain was never the same after he lost.
Mitt Romney was never the same after he lost.
I mean, you can go down the list and people lose and then they lose their minds.
That's true.
And maybe that's what's happened to her, which, frankly, considering how little she had to lose, is not as big a loss as it could have been.
But I just thought it was remarkable.
And by the way, I went back, I got so intrigued after the show.
I went back and got the transcript.
I think there's a section towards the end where Trump goes through 10 lessons of life that he has learned that I think is so remarkable that I'm encouraging the administration to find ways to get it distributed.
I mean, it is the essence of an intelligent, serious conservatism at a personal level.
It's funny you're bringing all this up because I watched, I had never watched a long documentary about him, and I saw one, maybe it was on Netflix or Apple, I don't remember.
And I just watched it, and I said to him in a private conversation, and I don't mind sharing it with you, I'm sure he wouldn't care, that what a remarkable life this man has lived.
And I know the four hardest years, I mean, he could have walked away in 2021 and just said, I became president and gone on with the rest of his life, and probably they would have left him alone, is my guess.
And he decided to fight back, and he made it his mission, and he put all his chips in the middle of the table.
And it was either the White House or, frankly, in my view, the big house.
It was nowhere in between.
And he laid it on the line for his country, for what he believed in, and just being the fighter that he is.
And that's the shock and awe that we see politically every day.
Well, that's right.
And what I was impressed with, I put myself in the place of those young people at that commencement speech.
And here's the guy who is a billionaire, who is the president of the United States, who has survived assassination attempts, impeachment attempts, efforts to put him in jail.
And he is literally at one point in the speech sharing, and it's very effective.
I mean, I literally spent part of the morning going over it and thinking about it, sharing 10 lessons about life that he had learned that he wanted them to learn.
And it was a reminder to me that Trump is much more a cultural figure with political consequences than he is a traditional political figure.
The reason he resonates is he speaks to the very core of American values, to the work ethic, to a belief in a better future, to a willingness to do what it takes to win.
I mean, it's truly, and I urge all of our listeners, to just get that one section, which I'm going to post it at Gambler 360 because I think it's so phenomenal.
You know what?
In many ways, I see a lot of similarities in you.
I remember one speech you gave.
I am a genuine revolutionary.
You know the speech that I'm referring to.
Yeah.
And the way that people took that the wrong way.
But, you know, if there was three waves of conservatism in our lifetime culminating in the MAGA movement or Make America Great Again movement, I mean, it was Reagan.
It was the Gingrich Revolution, and this is now somebody that is literally taking a chainsaw to conventional thinking in Washington, which I think is beyond refreshing to me, which is why the left has lost their mind and their spirit.
And frankly, in my view, have become a soulless party.
Well, I think that's right.
And you're going to see this.
You'll hear me talk about this a lot in the next six weeks.
The Republican plan on Medicaid raises spending every year.
Never cuts it.
The Democrats are going to, back to your point about having no soul, Democrats, as a strategy, are going to lie to the American people every day.
And I think it's a trap for them.
I think when the American people realize, and we just did a poll at the America's New Majority Project that we run, and when people are told the facts, only 14% think it's in any way a cut.
Everybody else is totally happy with it, believes it's a fair thing to do.
And this is an example where Trump is going to be, I think, extraordinarily important.
And I'm hoping that he'll go on the road and go to at least 10 districts held by Democrats where he had a majority of the vote and explain exactly what's going to be in the reconciliation bill and why you should vote yes.
And I think it'll be one of the great moments in American history because the country will rally and the country will say, yeah, this is the kind of change we need.
And the Democrats then are faced with either crumbling and doing what Trump wants or, I think, basically putting themselves in a long-term decline as a dishonest, corrupt party that votes for things that you just can't explain.
You see, but the reason you're so knowledgeable about this, and I lived this with you and watched it all unfold, when you reduced, it's called baseline budgeting, built-in spending increases.
That's the establishment thinking process where you budget in a 10% increase every year for however many years.
And then you insisted on a 7% increase every year for seven years, and they were calling it a cut.
It was not a cut.
It was a 7% increase every year.
Those were the exact numbers that we were debating back then and the exact same lies that Trump will deal with, that you had to deal with.
You know, the one thing I give him credit for, though, I wasn't smart enough to come up with the idea of fake as a way of just describing all of it.
So I've said recently that the last three bastions of opposing Trump are the fake news media, the fake district judges, and the fake CBO.
And the fake CBO is going to produce a fake score.
And we need to deal with it that way.
We need to say to people up front, this is part of the corruption you're tired of.
These people lie to you because they want your money.
I wrote a piece the other day on the movie Jerry Maguire, where the football player has.
Show me the money.
Yeah.
I said, you want to know what the heart of the fight over reconciliation is going to be?
It's going to be every interest group saying, show me the money.
No policies, no sense.
By the way, you know who is resisting now the most?
Republican lawmakers in California and New York because they want salt deduction, state and local taxes deducted, and how much that they ought to be able to deduct every year, which to me only rewards states that elect tax and spend liberal local politicians.
I know why they're doing it because it seems like they're bringing the bacon back to the district.
Yeah, I think, look, when you're in a very marginal district and you're anxiety-ridden, you try to figure out how to appease people.
But in the long run, you're better off to win the argument.
This will be a good bill.
California, by the way, has a state legislator who just this week proposed, a Democrat, who proposed that the first $25,000 you steal on welfare should not be considered a crime.
You've got to be kidding.
And by the way, you know what they took out of that bill?
There was this one bill.
If somebody's assaulted, it would be a misdemeanor against a woman, I believe, 16 or 17 years old, if I'm not mistaken.
They put that in the bill.
Oh, I know.
I mean, the California Democrats, I think, are the epitome of having lost their minds.
Well, let me ask you, do you think Gavin Newsom, I think, do you agree with me?
I think he has his eyes on the White House.
Do you think he has any shot?
Well, look, this is a free country.
Everybody has a shot.
I mean, there were 16 guys that got on stage with Donald Trump.
They all had a shot.
They just didn't get to win.
Do I think Newsom will be the next president?
No.
I think when people learn how really sick California has become, how many people are leaving it because they just can't stand it, and how much, I mean, Newsom is part of the San Francisco mafia.
These guys are a corrupt old machine of huge amounts of money, and they are so far to the left that they probably wonder why people like Gorbachev were so moderate.
All right, quick break.
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Former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, is with us.
So I'm asking everybody questions only because I just, just out of pure interest, if you had to guess today, who's going to be the Democrats nominee in 28?
I have no idea.
I think it'll be probably an unknown person.
You really do.
It may well be a billionaire who comes out of nowhere.
Do you see any path for a moderate, let's say, a Josh Shapiro to get the nomination?
Because I don't.
Oh, yeah.
Well, there's a path, but it'd be tough.
I read Pritzker's speech in New Hampshire.
You know, Pritzker's rich enough that if he wants to run, he can fund the whole thing.
Now, he's also, I think, a terrible governor.
He's a left-winger and not a very attractive personality.
But there's so many people like that out there.
And I don't think we know yet if Trumpism is working, if the economy, which I think it will be, if the economy is booming, if we really are healthier, safer, and people feel good about it, the Democrats will be in turmoil because some of them will rationally say, shouldn't we kind of go towards the center?
But their hard left is going to say, no.
You know, you have to be of the true faith.
You have to be for things that are insane.
If you're not, which is the whole story of the California Democratic Party.
Democratic primary voters tend to be leaning towards the more radical left.
Don't you agree?
Yeah, I think you get the excitement and the turnout with the Bernie Sanders AOC, you know, and, you know, I mean, to be fair, Newsom, if he starts with California, he has a pretty big block to start with.
But I personally find Newsom not convincing.
I mean, he is so plastic.
Now, that might just be my bias because I'm come from a different brand of politics.
But, I mean, I frankly think that the governor of Michigan is much more dangerous, or the governor of Pennsylvania are both much more dangerous than he is.
But again, you know, where's the energy in the party?
The energies towards AOC, Bernie, and Jasmine Crockett.
That's right.
I'm going to go over the 10 things that you're going to post on Gingrich 360, and we'll link to yours when you put it up on Hannity.com.
Mr. Speaker, we always enjoy having you.
I first interviewed Newt Gingrich in 1990 in Decatur, Alabama in a holiday-in hotel room.
And there is a picture somewhere.
I don't know where, but there is one.
And I have a Renewing American Civilization.
What do you call those tapes?
The VHS tapes.
I have those for you that I promised.
I have to get them mailed out to you.
It's a course I taught.
It is.
I went back and watched it.
I ordered it on eBay years ago, and then I kept it.
You know, I think it's fair to say I got to be a much more competent politician, and you got to be a much more confident radio host.
But boy, I would love to have that original interview of the two of us.
I would rather never hear it as long as I live.
I really don't want to go back.
I can't stand listening to old shows of mine.
I hate it.
I hate watching myself or listening to myself.
It's awful.
It's torture.
If you want to torture me, just play tapes of me around the clock.
Without sounding absurd, I sort of fell in love with you because you had pure guts.
You didn't know a lot yet, but by God, you were going to try.
And I just thought that is exactly what we need.
And when you see this stuff from Trump, you'll see yourself.
Hardly.
Okay, I'm going to go over that one at the bottom of the hour.
Newt Gingrich, we appreciate it as always.
Thank you, sir.
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All right, let's get to our busy phones.
All right, what are you whispering in my ear?
Go to lines one and two.
Okay, lines one and two.
Blake is in Texas.
God bless Texas.
Linda's in Nebraska.
Blake and Lynn, welcome to the program.
And Linda says you're up first.
I'm not sure why.
Welcome both of you.
Nice to Sanity and Mr. Hannity.
How are you doing, sir?
I'm good.
Who is this Lynn or is this Blake?
This is Lynn, his daddy.
Oh, okay.
Oh, you're Blake's father.
Terrific.
Yes, sir.
Oh, okay.
Blake, how are you doing?
You're God bless Texas and Nebraska as well.
What's going on in Texas?
Oh, not much.
Just trying to survive the rain.
We've got about 12 and a half inches over the last two weeks and trying to fix fences and keep cows in the pasture, but the creeks like to keep washing away.
Now, are you a farmer?
What do you do for a living?
Right now, I'm a full-time ranch hand.
So, you know, there's about 8,000 acres and stuff where I work at and trying to take care of all these cows and horses and everything.
So you're living like the Yellowstone life, which, by the way, when I'm having a bad day, I'm thinking maybe working on a ranch wouldn't be such a bad deal.
Well, it comes in, you know, it's good and it's bad days.
You know, some days are worse than others, but, you know, we like to see the rain because we've had months without rain, and that's worse than it being flooded.
So I'll take high waters over low waters any day of the week.
No, I get it.
I mean, it's tough.
I don't care if you're farming.
I don't care if you're ranching.
But I'm grateful to farmers and ranchers and truckers because they keep our store shelves full.
And I get to go on Instacart or go to the store and pick out whatever I want.
And, you know, I just ordered a bunch of steaks yesterday, New York Strip, and had one for breakfast this morning with my eggs.
It was great.
Yeah, let me say them steaks.
There's a lot in the making of things.
I'll say that.
It takes, it's a pretty long process and a tedious process, I should say.
Yeah.
Lynn, what's going on with you in Nebraska?
Is this like your way of communicating?
You got to call the show together to communicate with each other?
I'm trying to figure this out.
Yes, sir.
Oh, Mr. Hannity, I spoke with you years ago.
I was one that got laid off on the Keystone XL pipeline.
And Biden hamstring us about four years.
And this boy they're talking to here, you give him $10,000 one time.
And I just want to tell you from the bottom of my heart from a wonderful, pleasing father of a good son.
Thank you very much because it did go straight to his college and he is graduating to be a Texas State game warden.
No way.
I wish I can honestly, how many years ago was this?
This is, sir, this was probably 2021.
It was 21.
I remember the interview because, you know, he just got laid off when Joe Biden got inaugurated that day.
You know, thousands just like him got laid off.
You know, he was putting me through college.
I didn't have no student loans or anything.
He was funding it.
And, you know, he was in a buying because he needed to provide.
And without money, it's pretty hard to provide.
And, you know, you've done a great deed and gave $10,000 to my college fund.
And those dollars didn't go wasted because I graduate here in about three weeks and pursue my lifelong goal.
So we just kind of wanted to get on here and say thank you for that deed.
And it was very much appreciated by both of us.
Linda, you set this up apparently because I had no idea that this was coming.
But first of all, I will tell you this.
My heart goes out to the people that really make the country great, and that is the working men and women.
And when I hear stories where politicians ruin lives, like in your case, Lynn, and here you had, I'm sure, a pretty, at the time, a high-paying career job on the Keystone XL pipeline, and that gets ripped out from under you for stupid political reasons and giving into environmental radicals and extremists.
I mean, that's heartbreaking.
And then you have kids and you have bills to pay and responsibilities and a dream that you want to send your kid to college and help them better their lives.
I mean, that's what we do as parents, isn't it?
That's what we're supposed to do.
And if I'm able to help a little bit, I try to help as much as I can.
You know, I feel like I've lived an undeserved life.
I never thought I'd be successful in anything, to be very honest.
You know, I was happy working in construction.
I was happy working in restaurants.
I'm happier doing this, but I never thought I'd make money doing this.
As a matter of fact, I started working for free, but I'm glad I was able to help you guys.
It sounds like it really ended well.
It did, Mr. Hannity.
And I'm going to tell you something.
Number one, I'd like to just say, God bless Donald J. Trump because he's brought us oilfield workers back, pipeline workers, plant workers.
And I'm going to tell you, this third and fourth year quarters is going to be excellent.
Next year is going to be super excellent.
And the next year after that is going to be, we're not going to have enough manpower.
And it's amazing.
A man that is a businessman with common horse sense that comes in here and gets things going that is a businessman that can prosper the parents because Mr. Hannity, I don't work for me.
I work for them kids.
That is my ultimate goal in life.
That's my God-given privilege to take care of them boys growing up and watching them grow, who I am well pleased with.
I am so thankful they was born.
I just, I give thanks to my Lord Jesus Christ every day because of these kids and they're growing.
And it's just, it's heartbreaking whenever you have a president to come in and I mean hamstring you and cut you down to nothing.
And all I've ever known for 35 years is welding.
And I've done good with it.
And this is the first time in my whole career when one man comes in office and I'm talking, it goes from good to bad.
And it just.
Listen, as a father, I can relate to everything you're saying.
It rips your guts out.
You know, ever since my kids were born, I mean, I've started putting whenever I could as much money away for their college.
I can proudly say they both graduated college and they went to the colleges that they wanted to go to.
I didn't have any say in any by the way, my kids told me where they're going to college.
I had no say in it at all whatsoever, which didn't annoy the hell out of me.
But it's their life.
It's their dream.
It's not mine.
I pursued my life the way I wanted to, and it's up to them now to pursue theirs.
And I'm just glad this worked out for both of you.
And really, you know, when you really think about it, I think it's the goal of any parent, you know, to hand off, you know, a better life to your children.
and your grandchildren.
And I know in my case, both my parents grew up poor.
My grandparents came here, all four of them from Ireland poor.
And I know I stand on their shoulders.
And I'm grateful to them because they live much harder lives than I do.
Whenever I stop bitching, moaning, and complaining, whining in my head or my heart, I stop myself by remembering, you know what?
I don't have it so bad.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
We're blessed.
Me and my family is blessed and highly favored.
God sees favoring us every day.
And I just thankful for it.
Well, I'm proud of you, Blake.
Good job.
Lynn, you're a great dad.
I'm glad I could help a little bit.
And I'm very touched by your story.
More importantly, by your faith, your work ethic.
You both personify what makes this country great.
And I'm grateful to both of you.
God bless you both.
Please stay in touch.
And we really appreciate you checking back in with us.
Thank you.
Yes, sir.
Thank you, Mr. Hennedy.
It's much appreciated.
Thank you.
All right.
God bless you.
And your kids when they're coming along, too.
All right.
You set me up.
Thanks a lot.
But that's a good story.
That's like one of those stories where, you know, you feel, my God, there's so much bad news.
And he called in and he was talking to Katie and he was reminding us of when he called in.
And the weird thing is, is like when you're going through it, it feels so long.
But then he's like, oh, yeah, he's graduating.
I'm like, what?
Like, he's done and he's moving on and he's starting his life.
And, you know, you have a little bit more than the average bear.
And the fact that you're willing to share it with so many people is, you know, it's really not common, Sean.
Most people are really, you know, they're just, they just don't do what you do.
So I thought it was great that he wanted to call in and talk to you.
And he's just, I mean, my God, listen to him.
He's like, I'm blessed and favored by the Lord.
I mean, the guy is so reverent, so kind, so grateful.
It's just, he's just awesome.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't understand.
I do know people in life that are cheap.
I really do.
And sometimes it's inexplicable to me.
You know, I do have this sense that if you've been blessed in your life, that you do have an obligation to help other people.
I can't help everybody out, you know, but when I can, and I see the moment, you know, like churches talk about tithing, right?
And I do give money to my church.
But I'm not the big, there's lots of ways to me you can tithe.
And maybe I'm just, this is my own thought process.
But when you see somebody in need, you help them.
I think that just is, if you can, you help them.
You know, I saw this thing the other day on X, and I'm addicted to X. I'm always on it.
But this guy is a homeless guy.
He's working in a grocery store.
And there's this guy that goes around and he will pretend that he needs something, right?
Like he'll walk into a store and he'll say, hey, do you have a dollar?
I'm trying to get baby food and I can't afford it.
And whoever helps him out from the kindness of their heart, he gives them like $500 or $1,000 or whatever.
This particular guy worked at the store, gave him the dollar, and he goes, listen, this is all I have, but I hope it helps with your baby.
And he hands him $500 on the spot.
Well, somebody else stopped him on the way and he said, listen, that guy's homeless.
He just gave you a dollar out of his pocket.
He literally lives on the street and then, you know, cleans up at like a shelter and then comes into work.
And so he started like a give send go or a GoFundMe online firm.
They raised $100,000 for this homeless man because he was the American people are so generous.
It's unbelievable.
They are.
You know, my kids, it was fairly recently.
They're both in the car with me, right?
And I just see this old, elderly homeless guy.
And it was such a sad, sad picture.
I mean, his head is down.
He looks just so beaten down, depressed, defeated.
And I just pulled over the car.
And my kids in the back are like amongst themselves.
And they told me after they're betting how much I was going to give the guy because they've seen me do this before.
And we talk about it.
The only thing I do say to people when I give them money, I'm saying, please don't spend this money, my money, on alcohol and drugs.
I do say that.
And I ask them, are you drinking?
Are you, you know, and some people are honest, some people aren't.
You know, in this case, I don't think the guy drank.
I really don't.
I just, I hope he didn't.
He just, I hope, well, I didn't get, he certainly was sober when I saw him.
Didn't seem like the type of guy that was using drugs.
And so, you know, I just handed the guy, I always carry cash.
My kids don't understand that either.
They don't care.
Kids today don't carry cash.
Do your kids carry cash?
You got to carry cash.
Cash is kicking.
Exactly.
I tell them all the time.
And I'm like, how much do you have on you?
And I'm like, oh.
And then I'm like, I'm taking money out of my pocket.
Always carry cash.
I have to have fight with them every single time I see them.
I'm like, what do I tell you?
Always carry cash.
And anyway, so I gave the guy 100 bucks.
And I'm like, and I just think, and my kids asked me, well, what if they do buy alcohol or drugs?
I said, that's on them.
Because I asked them not to do that.
At that point, and there was a point in my life I thought, well, you're just enabling people, et cetera, et cetera.
I mean, when somebody's that beaten down, there's nothing that they're going to be, that you're going to be able to say that's going to get them into a job that day or anytime soon.
And so many people have mental health issues.
Anyway, I think that it is nice.
And I will say this, the American people and all of you in your own way, I'm sure, have all reached into your pocket to help people out when you can.
And it doesn't matter.
I don't care if it's $2 or $5.
I don't care what it is.
And it's not a cliche to say it's the thought that counts.
It's just human decency.
If you can help people, why not?
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