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So we watch every day President Trump moving at the speed of light.
We've seen executive orders signed and executive actions taken.
And we are still at a point where we live under the Biden Harris economy, which was inherited when the president came into office.
If you don't know the fiscal year in Washington begins October 1.
That means as of right now, unless Republicans make changes, we will live under that budget till September the 30th.
We don't want that to happen.
Now, when when Congress, if Congress is to do their job, and let's assume that they and I hope, I hope this is not the case.
Because if if Democrats ever get control of the House, I can almost guarantee you that Donald Trump will be impeached 15, 20, maybe 30 times.
If they can do it, you can see what Trump derangement syndrome is or Elon Musk's derangement syndrome is every single day.
But the most important part of this is to get the Trump agenda.
That part of that needs to be done legislatively.
That means the House and the Senate, we need to get it passed as quickly as possible.
Now, when you use a process called reconciliation, I won't go into the technical details of it.
But there are very strident archaic rules, especially in the U.S. Senate, that don't necessarily apply to the House and don't in many cases, that that basic fundamental rules have to be followed for it to not it's one of the few areas where the Senate,
uh one of the few procedures available to them where they can pass a bill with a simple majority, but it has to do with the budget, has to do with financing, and often you get the guidance of somebody called the Senate parliamentarian in terms of what you can and what you cannot do.
Uh now, the budget chairman for the U.S. Senate right now, the committee chairman is Senator Lindsey Graham.
And Senator Lindsey Graham believes his budget chair, and there's precedence for this, does not need the permission of the Senate parliamentarian to advance the Trump economic agenda.
And he'll explain why as he joins us.
Senator, welcome back to the program.
How are you?
That's pretty darn good.
They said you're not going to be able to do that's pretty good for for a non Washingtonian non swampy person, huh?
Yeah.
So let's let's build on what you just said.
Well, first let me say one thing before you get going.
When you're right, like you were with Justice Kavanaugh.
What you and you sold this to all of your Republican colleagues and you figured this out and and you got the the wink and the nod from from Senator Thune, Majority Leader Thune.
Uh I I don't think people around the country know how profound this is because it would be difficult if not impossible to accomplish what you're about to accomplish if you didn't figure this out.
So props to you.
Well, thank you.
And uh Senator Thune has been a great leader and we work together and so here's what's at stake.
Normally speaking, nothing passes the Senate without sixty votes.
Sometimes we like that because we stop, you know, HR one that would, you know, do a with uh, you know, uh ID at voting and it would be ballot harvesting.
Sometimes we're like it, sometimes we don't.
But there is a rare occasion, and you explained it well, where the Senate can abandon the sixty vote rule.
And here's what's required.
You have to have the House, you have to have the Senate and the White House.
That's happened four times to Republicans in the last hundred years.
So this doesn't happen much.
If you have all three, you can do a budget process called reconciliation, where you can change the numbers on taxes and spending based on a majority vote.
The question is before the Senate, can we make the tax cuts permanent by the budget chairman declaring current policy, which means we extend the tax cuts in perpetuity, they don't expire uh after ten years.
I have determined that I have the authority to use a baseline of current policy regarding the twenty seventeen tax cuts that expire in December.
What does it mean?
It means that from here on out, the Senate budget chairman, Republican, I'm sure, can make every tax cut permanent, and we don't have to let them expire after ten years.
If my colleagues will back me up, that's the best and the only way to make the Trump Trump tax cuts permanent.
I am gonna make that decision this afternoon.
I think I'm on sound ground.
Democrats are going crazy.
The budget 1974 budget act allows you to spend uh using current policy, but it's always been unsure about cutting taxes.
They want you to pay for tax cuts, but they don't care if you offset spending.
I believe tax cuts add revenue, they don't cost anything.
I made the decision, and if I can get fifty plus one votes, uh it will be the new policy of the Senate, and I'm damn proud of it.
Uh I I I think it's a brilliant maneuver.
Let's go through some of the the historical precedent that that that led up to this, because you pointed out rightly so that Democrats have used this four times against Republicans so they can scream bloody murder all they want.
Uh I g I think the most recent example, if I'm not mistaken, refresh my memory was when Obama was president, wasn't it, for Obamacare.
Yeah, they basically used reconciliation for Obamacare, the inflation reduction act, and they basically changed the rules to meet the desire of the budget chairman to spend money.
What I am doing is trying to use the same budget concept to extend tax cuts.
Democrats want you to have to pay for tax cuts when they expire.
They say they run up the deficit by using.
By the way, that's a crock.
Because when Reagan cut taxes, and at the time it was the largest tax cut in history from seventy to twenty-eight percent.
And revenues over eight years doubled from five hundred billion over a trillion, except Congress spent a dollar twenty-five for every new dollar brought in.
So they're lying.
I hope people listen to your show.
That's right.
CBO says they add to the deficit.
I disagree.
I'm the budget chairman, not CBO.
The statute was written referring to the budget committee, and I'm the chairman.
This is not an unelected bureaucrat decision to make.
I appreciate people at CBO.
This is my decision to make as budget chairman, and I'm going to determine today, if people will back me up, that current policy will apply to tax cuts, not just spending, and that means they will become permanent, which will help the economy.
This budget resolution also will allow 175 billion dollars to be spent to get more detention beds, finish the wall, and hire more ICE agents.
It will hire it will allow 150 billion dollars of additional spending to help the military at a time of great threat without one Democratic vote being required.
Okay.
So let's go over everything that you think you can accomplish.
Can you add to this no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security?
Okay, uh no tax on overtime as well as making the tax cuts permanent.
Okay, let's go down a checklist.
What does this do?
Um the House bill does not make the tax cuts permanent, they expire from six to eight years, depending on who you talk to.
I understand Mike Johnson did a great job trying to get the bill through.
President Trump wants them to be permanent.
If if I win the day on current policy, they become permanent, they're no longer scored as if they expire.
So that's that's one.
I increase the amount you can cut taxes by by a trillion and a half dollars.
So that means we can not only make the twenty seventeen tax cuts permanent, we can also cut taxes uh uh trillion and a half dollars more, tax on tips, overtime, Social Security fits in that.
The Senate resolution allows more tax cutting, it makes the tax cuts permanent.
Uh it gives money $175 billion to finish the border.
That's all they need for four years, more money for defense, and it sets in motion cutting up to two trillion dollars, even more.
Now, some House members, great people, but in the budget resolution, because of the rules that you described, if I pick a number as to spending cuts and we're one dollar short, it loses the privilege and is subject to sixty votes.
So what we did in twenty seventeen is just said we told all committees find at least one billion dollars in cuts.
We're gonna cut trillions, not four billion.
But if we don't get the numbers right, we lose the privilege.
This is exactly what we did in 2017.
President Trump would not sign a bill that did not cut trillions of dollars.
I won't vote for a bill that doesn't uh cut trillions of dollars, but you can't get started unless you pass what I'm doing today.
So I expect tonight that we'll pass the budget resolution where I determine that the tax cuts will not expire, they will be permanent, and once that's passed, we get on to actually uh cutting spending and cutting taxes in the reconciliation bill.
I mean, i it it look, it is complicated.
It's the way Washington is designed.
We don't you're not even using a loophole.
You're using a strategy that has been used by Democrats for a long time.
And uh I do you anticipate any problems either with House Republicans or with any Senate Republicans in terms of going along with what what the American people clearly voted for in November.
So we met with President Trump yesterday, the entire budget committee and leader thune.
He likes what we're doing.
What we're doing is we're setting in motion a process that will allow the tax cuts, as I said, to become permanent, not expire after six, eight or ten years.
That's a big deal for the economy.
We're setting motion cutting spending.
We'll cut as much spending as we can until we run out of votes.
We'll need fifty votes in the Senate, two hundred and eighteen votes.
There'll be a process to cut as much as you can.
Ron Johnson will be in charge of that.
If the Senate doesn't pass this resolution, then President Trump's economic agenda, funding the border, helping the military, cutting fail.
It dies on the vine.
It's over.
It dies, and we will lose we've had the House, the Senate, and the White House four times in one hundred years.
This does not happen much.
This is why I've been so aggressive using this moment.
Well, I'm glad you're doing it.
I mean, this is key.
Now, let me move on to some other topics because energy dominance is very important.
The president also signed I I don't I can't even keep up with or count how many executive actions and orders that he signed.
Do would it not be wise for the House and Senate to come up with a schedule to codify all of these executive actions and orders into law and and at any point are you dealing with energy in this process.
Okay reconciliation actually deals with energy.
The Reigns Act basically deregulates the energy economy.
Under reconciliation you can't make policy they tried to do DACA, they tried to increase the minimum wage and the parliamentarians said no.
But we do have a provision that will help deregulate the country but it is not full blown.
So take the executive orders, codify them in the House, and see if we can get them through the Senate with sixty votes.
Some we may get through because they're so popular but I've looked at all the executive orders Sean and I've tried to find as much as I could in that group to put in reconciliation just needing a majority vote.
So I want everybody out there to know I've been looking at every way I can to codify President Trump's agenda.
You know I I I know that there are people that sometimes are have been critical over maybe some of your foreign policy positions although you are fully supporting the president's plan to do for negotiated settlement in Ukraine and then the Middle East.
And the war.
Uh and but I will tell you when you dig your teeth into something and you're dead on right this will literally be the escape hatch to save the Trump economic agenda which we need to save the country.
So I don't do anything is it I think I I think I helped a lot with Kavanaugh help with Comey Amy Cummy Barrett.
But I think personally it's probably the most important thing I've done yet as budget chairman you know God I don't know how this works mysterious ways but I'm in the right spot at the right time.
Talked to President Trump last night he's fully on board I am going let me ask this question.
Do you expect any pushback either in the House or Senate?
They've got to recognize that this is an opportunity that does not come along but four times in a hundred years as you pointed out.
Well I'm hoping that people like you can help us get the votes we need um I think we're in pretty good shape leader thune has been working hard the president's been on the phone but tonight we vote tonight.
If we pass if we if we pass if you did a quick whipping of the votes right now do you think you have the votes to pass this?
I think I've got the votes to start in the process with a motion to proceed final passage would be over the weekend I'm going to call you I'll be on your show tonight.
Well if we need to start giving out phone numbers of for the House and Senate and people to call their Congressmen in this case the the Senate to get it passed in the Senate first let us know and people will call because this is too important.
This is you know we're not going to get one Democratic vote to cut spending we're not needing Democratic votes to make President Trump's maybe Fetterman have you contacted him.
Yeah, well, you won't get 60.
So we're not going to get 60 votes to secure the border, and you're not going to get 60 votes to give more money to the military without increasing social spending.
This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity and one move to fully fund the border for four years, never having to ask for another dollar, to increase military spending, make the tax cuts permanent, and cut trillions of dollars of wasteful spending.
without one Democratic vote.
It all begins tonight.
All right.
We'll have you on tonight.
We got to stay on top of this.
This is the moment.
Only four times in a hundred years have we had an opportunity like this.
Senator Graham, thank you.
Very important.
We'll probably be giving out phone numbers tomorrow on the program.
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Linda, I'm beginning to feel that the number in Washington is going to be given out tomorrow.
What are your thoughts?
202-224-333 3121 how do you have that memorized I barely remember one eight hundred nine four one Sean you when people spend your number your money recklessly you memorize a lot Well, we come back, we're going to hit the phones.
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Uh let us say hi to James in North Carolina.
James, how are you?
Glad you called.
Thanks for being with us.
Thank you.
Um, I have a very simple question.
What is gonna what is gonna prevent the next president, if if it's a Democrat from coming in as using executive orders again to reverse everything that Trump has done, you know, that was overturned by you know it the executive order seems to be the way to govern now, and that's not the way it was intended to work.
Well, everything's got to be codified into law.
I've had the conversation with Mike Johnson.
I had the conversation with John Thune.
Um I will be interviewing a bunch of senators next week because we're we're gonna be right in the midst of what I think is the most important part of the Trump agenda, and that is getting our economic house in order.
We still live under the the Biden Harris economy, and step one was yesterday getting rid of you know this this on the unfair trade practices of friends and foes and demanding uh free and fair trade, or there'll be reciproc reciprocal tariffs.
I think that was a good head start.
Uh Lindsey Graham uh who told you's you know, he's we just had on the program.
Lindsey Graham is has found a way where we don't have to go through the parliamentarian in the U.S. Senate, and the odds of of most of the Trump agenda economically that'll include borders and energy is gonna be passed.
And now it takes a certain amount of time for the policies to catch up uh with the reality and hit the markets, like you know, just the threat of tariffs has resulted in over four trillion dollars in commitments for monies to be spent on factories and and manufacturing here in the U.S. Are we gonna feel it tomorrow?
No, we're gonna feel it next week, no.
Are we gonna feel it six months in a year from now?
Yeah.
Are we really gonna feel it two years from now?
Yeah.
Four years from now, big time.
So, you know, these things take time, and you know, what President Trump did yesterday is undo what has been decades of America being abused uh and taken advantage of and being basically a sucker nation by allowing them, you know, all these countries to put tariffs on us.
So all of this is gonna take time.
It's all gonna take time.
And you know, I've I've been urging people to be a little more patient than maybe they they normally want to be.
I know we're impatient by nature.
Thank you.
I I agree with what Trump is doing.
I'm just concerned that our government is broken and you know, whatever he does just gets overturned by an executive order at the next term, and it's just a waste of time and money, and we're not going anywhere.
That was my concern.
Well, it a lot of it becomes policy immediately, and if you don't want your the scenario you're laying out to happen, you gotta codify it into law.
Appreciate the call, James.
Thank you.
Debbie Louisiana, next on the Sean Hannity Show.
Hi.
Hi, Sean.
I've been a fan for years, and thank you so much for all the good that you do, especially for the pre-born and the veterans of our country.
Thank you.
Um thank you.
You're very nice.
The reason I'm calling is just to share something that's heartbreaking for me.
Um my husband's family, there are five siblings all together.
Um we were going to take a flight to uh Switzerland and then take a cruise through France, Germany, and and in the Netherlands.
And um, I don't understand this, Sean, but all except for my husband and myself and one sister are they are rabid, rabid, excuse me, Trump haters.
And these are smart educated people.
In fact, one of them finished at the top of her Harvard law class and clerked for Alan Dershwitz.
So these are not stupid people, but they say so many hateful things about Trump.
It was on a tax chain.
I got very upset, and I'm not proud of myself for getting so upset because I love to meet you and everyone dearly.
But we my husband and I decided not to go on the trip.
We've had enough.
And I I told them in the text chain, I said, I am very proud to have voted for the 45th and 47th president of the United States along with 80 million other American voters, and I am done with having him trashed.
I'm proud of every single thing he has done.
And that's what I wanted to share.
It's just if if people are going to attack your core values, now I have lost friendships.
I've lost the friendships of a of a number of people as a result of my politics over the years, and I just view it as part of the business uh that I'm in.
Um then they're not really your friends anyway.
Now I have friends that differ with me on on issues.
Um although I will say most of my friends support President Trump.
I'm not gonna lie.
It's kind of a stack deck.
I have, you know, extended family members.
I emphasize the word extended, uh, that I know voted for Kamala Harris, and you know, I can rib them about it, but I'm uh yeah, I'm not going to not love them or like them or harass them because of their political views.
If it comes up, uh they're debating the wrong person because I immerse myself in this every day and they're gonna lose.
So but um I I don't make my decisions about people based on that.
Most people yeah, uh you know, they're not very well informed.
You know, what have Russia always call them?
Low information voters out there.
But if they're if they're being personal about it, then from my perspective, I think you're right to not go on vacation with them.
If they're gonna be attacking you and your personal views, I think you have every right to say, you know what, I'd rather associate with people that will respect my views.
You don't have to you don't have to take abuse from anybody.
Always stand up for yourself.
Don't take crap from anybody.
That's my advice in life.
Thanks, Sean.
All right.
But I'm but you're too sweet.
I'm more of a street fighter, so I um I I I can take it.
You you sound too nice and and whatever you said on the text chain, they deserved it.
I g and I'm sure it was much nicer than your your characterizing it now.
Thank you.
You're so kind.
Yeah.
It's it's I appreciate the call though.
But let not your heart be trouble.
Take a good vacation with your husband, make it a r romantic week getaway or something.
I wouldn't change plans totally for those people.
You don't have to hang out.
Look, just because people are your family, doesn't mean you have to hang out with them.
Just because people are in your life does not mean you have to give your time and energy to them.
You choose who to associate with in life, and life, frankly, is too short to hang out with people that are bitter, angry, hostile, that take cheap shots that are insulting.
Who needs it?
Um anyway, appreciate it, Debbie.
Thank you.
800 941 Shauna's her number.
Frank Commonwealth, Pennsylvania, next, Sean Hannity Show.
Hi.
Yeah, Sean, how are you?
I just wanted to call and reinforce the idea of tariffs.
Because I'm gonna tell you a little story.
You probably don't know too much about Pittsburgh.
I know a lot about Pittsburgh.
Why would you say that?
I don't know.
You just don't d I never heard you mention Pittsburgh at all.
But I mentioned Pittsburgh a whole bunch over the years.
Uh my friend Selena Zito, who's probably the best reporter in this the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, she was just at a steel plant there.
Uh she's had a a place that does fracking today.
She's been going all around the state and seeing how industry is so excited about Trump's policies because they they know a lot of investment is coming into the state that's gonna create high paying uh career jobs.
Yeah, it's true.
Pittsburgh, we produced more steel than the rest of the country combined in World War II.
And there were steel mills all up and down the rivers, down to youngstown, Ohio.
And then China started to subsidize their steel.
And they dumped steel in the United States, and pretty soon we couldn't afford it anymore.
You know, we couldn't compete with them.
This is what's happened to all these industries.
I know.
And you know, and I can remember all the steel meals closing one by one.
And then it went the uh Japan started dumping Toyotas and Nissans and Detroit couldn't compete.
And then Philadelphia, the shipyards couldn't compete.
And they were everybody was taking advantage of us.
It was ridiculous.
Everybody was steel workers in Pittsburgh.
Yeah, just just watch what happens.
These countries one by one, they're gonna make the decision that they're gonna drop their tariffs and they're gonna want to do business in the U.S. And slowly but surely this will all settle itself out.
And when it does, all the naysayers out there are gonna have a lot of egg on their face.
My level of confidence is is pretty near a hundred percent that this is all gonna work out fine because these countries have no other option.
They have no other choice.
If Germany is putting a ten percent tariff on on cars, American cars being sold in their country in a 20% VAT tax, and they're selling eight cars in America for every one car we sell there because it's cause prohibitive.
Let me tell you something.
That's gonna change.
It's gotta change, and it will change.
So stay tuned.
Anyway, my friend, appreciate the call.
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Dave in Arizona.
Dave, hi.
How are you?
Glad you called.
Hey there, Sean.
Uh hello from uh sunny Arizona.
What's going on in beautiful Arizona?
How are you?
Oh, it's uh it's beautiful out here right now.
It's supposed to start getting warm next week, but I'm sucking it up, man.
Um anyways, uh second time caller, long time listener, longtime watcher.
Um I just can't much I appreciate what you have done, you know, before and after Trump came down that elevator.
You've just been such a great voice for the conservative moment, the movement, and uh I just can't thank you enough.
Listen, it's a pleasure to be here.
I'm grateful to all of you for giving me this microphone and that camera every night.
I get to do what I love.
Uh, so I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Well, we we love listening to you, Sean.
Um, so I have a quick kind of a two-part question is the first part is I'm gonna use some Rush Limbaugh vocabulary is uh this judge that's you know prolonging deportation.
How come Trump just can't basically or why won't he just tell this judge to go pound sand and I'm gonna do it anyway?
And uh the pr the president still is doing do deportations.
There was some that happened earlier this week.
Uh if you look at Supreme Court precedence and the comments of the attorney general Pam Bondi, and if you look at the Alien Enemies Act, uh this judge had no authority to do what he did.
Uh then as uh uh then if you look very specifically at you know, Rule 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, uh there's no bond associated with any of these injunctions, which renders them meaningless because the bond is mandatory.
So it wasn't done legally in the first place.
So the president is well within his rights to continue deportations.
Although I think the Republican idea of putting in place measures that these low-level judges can't put an injunction on a duly elected president to stymie his agenda is has gotta come to an end.
So right now they are doing it.
Uh anyway, my friend, appreciate the call.
Listen, uh, while we have a minute, um the last caller from Pittsburgh.
For many, many years, our friend Rose Ten, and she's filled in on this program many, many times.
Uh, she hosted a mo morning show with Jim Quinn.
And Jim Quinn and Rose, they they have one of the highest rated shows ever in Pittsburgh morning radio at the time, and and just are phenomenal broadcasters.
And I just found out earlier today that Jim Quit uh Quinn had passed away.
And I mean, he was he was on the air.
Man, he started in the in the sixties for crying out loud.
He was eighty-two years old.
And anyway, if it wasn't for Jim Quinn's, you know, so many different people wouldn't even be in radio today.
Helped a lot of people out all throughout his career.
And the years that he spent with the morning show, um with our good friend Rose Tennant, I think was some of the best work he ever did.
They were always number one in mornings in Pittsburgh.
I was honored to be friends with both of them, and Rose, obviously, I know is pretty devastated by this, but a very gifted, talented, incredible broadcaster.
Uh, and he will be missed.
I know the people of Pittsburgh know knew him well.
And uh we send our love and prayers to him and his family uh in in this time of need.
We pray for him, we pray for his family.
Uh I do believe that all of us end up in paradise in the end, and I'm sure he was there.
He was a talented, gifted broadcaster, and he will be missed.
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