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800-941-SEAN if you want to be a part of the program you know this whole issue of environmental radicalism extremism has been with us a long time and And you've had these these groups out there.
They have basically been co-opted.
The left has been co-opted by these groups and pressured by these groups.
And slowly but surely it culminated in an administration that is willing to spend a fortune of your money when it comes to, oh, that's okay.
You're going to have to retrofit your home.
Oh, that's okay.
You're going to have to uh get a new washer and dryer, new air conditioner, new refrigerator, new appliances, without any consideration at all.
Now there's a report out today with Donald Trump now considering an executive order to protect gas-powered appliances.
You know, consumer watchdogs are pointing out how much the Biden administration and their radical environmental agenda is costing homeowners.
And accord according to the Alliance for Consumers, all of these mandated green updates from Biden regulations and Harris regulations are called could cost the average American family nine thousand dollars.
That's on top of Biden inflation, Biden energy and prices, everything you pay for, inflation, every everything you buy in every store you go to through the roof.
And it's it's all based on this ridiculous insanity that America should not, you know, be fossil fuel def dependent.
I mean, the effort to really eliminate all fossil fuels are real.
We see the sabotage with with what the moratorium Joe Biden tried to put in place, it will be overcome by Donald Trump in the final hours as he's leaving office, you know, or selling off poor portions of the water wall.
It's just anger, resentment, bitterness, pettiness on his part.
It's pretty unbelievable.
But this movement has been building for some time.
The year that I went out to the San Joaquin Valley and did the story on the Delta Smelt was 2009.
And they had all of these farms, as far as the eye can see, that were not able to grow crops because they wanted to protect and save the water for a little minnow fish called the Delta Smelt.
Now, you probably are thinking, well, the Delta smelt is an endangered species.
No, it's not.
It's like a minnow.
You know, if you've ever been fishing and you take a little minnow, you put it on the end of your hook to catch a bigger fish.
You know what it looks like.
It's not that big a deal.
And there's there's plenty of them, probably too many of them.
But the fact that the government of California chose the Delta smelt, not in an endangered species over farmers and people and their ability to eat food at a cost rate that is a you know effective for them is insanity.
Let's take you Back to 09.
This is when I went out to the San Joaquin Valley.
Tonight we bring you an update on a story that we covered back in May.
The Central Valley of California was once considered the breadbasket of America, but now farms all over that region have been allowed to dry up.
Now, why?
Because of a two-inch minnow on the endangered species list.
Now, environmentalists claim that the fish was getting caught in the water pumps that provided the farms with water.
So to protect the tiny fish, the pumps were turned off.
Did I ever sound like that, Linda?
Really?
It is so painful to hear that.
I have to say what's funnier about it is looking at it with you and Devin Nunes.
And it's just um I don't know.
It was just funny.
Oh, funny for you, not funny for me.
Funny for me, indeed.
Let's go to Donald Trump in 2018, standing next to Gavin Newsom and advising him and stressing the importance of proper forest management.
Listen.
It's cleaned out and protected.
We've got to take care of the floors, you know, the floors of the forests, for Very important.
You look at other countries where they do it differently, and and it's uh whole different story.
I was with the president of Finland, and he said we have uh much different.
We're a forest nation.
He called it a forest nation.
And they spent a lot of time on drinking and cleaning and doing things, and they don't have any problem.
And when it is, it's a very small problem.
So uh I know everybody's looking at that to that end, and uh it's gonna work out.
Now you see nothing but passing the buck blame and no accountability of people that have been in office many decades uh out in California.
And the bottom line is that the mismanagement of California's fire policies have made it vulnerable year after year after year, as this wildfire now is raging through uh not only the Pacific Palisades, but now into the Hollywood Hills, into Santa Monica, and and God knows how far and why this is gonna go.
Uh the fire's not been contained as of this hour, and and hopefully with some of the winds, you know, have are beginning to die down a little bit, according to some reports.
That would be good, but people's lives have been lost, thousands of homes have been lost, and you know, everybody's more concerned about quote Trump proofing California when they should have been fireproofing people's communities, knowing that they have this history of wildfires.
Now, our friend Mark Burnovich, former attorney general with the great state of Arizona, uh handled a lot of litigation relating to these rules dealing with quote carbon emissions and and job killing environmental regulations.
And anyway, uh he joins us, and this is now been building for decades.
That that clip I played, which by the way was very distorted.
I don't think that sounded like me at all.
But that that clip was from 2009, long time ago, we've been on this issue.
Well, Sean, thanks for having me on, and I will say your voice is improving with age, so that you got that going for you.
Um sometimes when I'm on your show, people will call me or text me and say sound like Darth Vader.
So I'm not sure what that's about.
But I I will let me just, as you said, this has been building for decades, and this is what I used to always say, even in court, that when the Soviet Union collapsed, communism didn't die, all those people just ended up in the environmental movement.
Make no mistake about it.
This has become a religion for people.
And it's a terrible tragedy.
What is happening in California right now?
But the reality is for decades, environmentalists is as you pointed out, have you know stopped you know water from flowing into the southern California or flowing into farms because of species that are using endangered species act for protective species or other species that are plentiful?
But we saw, even when I was AG, we were involved in litigation of the Ninth Circuit where these environmental groups basically use NEPA, the National Environmental Protection Act, to go into court to stop any sort of development or even forest fitting.
So they think they know what how to manage a forest or land better than the Forest Service.
And what ends up happening, they first of all they destroyed the logging industry, the timber industry in Arizona.
Secondly, because you don't thin forests out anymore, or they don't thin the woods and the mountains in California anymore.
What ends up happening is you end up getting more trees per acre.
So when you have a fire, it's more intense, it's harder to fight.
And not only that, if the environmentalists were smart, they would recognize that when there's more trees per acre, that means there's less flow in the spring into the reservoirs in California and Arizona and other places because there's more trees sucking up more water.
So the environmentalists created this.
There is a man-made uh crisis with our environment, but it's created by these zealots in the environmental movement that care more about minnows than they do about human beings.
It really is something uh correct me if I'm wrong, uh, Mr. Attorney General.
My understanding is you could actually go to college and get a degree in forestry.
Is that not is that not correct?
You know, I I have a beef with the higher education establishment, and that's what it is.
So I'm guessing they offer all sorts of degrees and all sorts of like crazy studies that are pretty much I don't know, uh, worthless.
Um, but that's a whole different debate of just discussion, because I sued the universities here um and it was crazy what we found out during discovery of not only were people's tax dollars are going to public universities, but the types of classes that people were forced to take and the type of degrees that were offered.
Uh anyway, but but getting back to the environmental stuff, which we I was very involved in, one of the things that we gotta remember is don't forget the ESG, the environment uh environmental, social and governance scores.
Biden's FEC went up right towards the end of my term as AG.
We went into court to stop Biden's FEC Security and Change Commission from promulgating to have new rules that basically added all these burdensome requirements on publicly traded companies, and they literally had to consider their ESG score.
I mean, I always say that, you know, people like my mom that worked very hard, you know, what the green she cares about is the green in her retirement account.
She doesn't want the FCC saving, you know, forests.
I mean, that's not the job of of federal bureaucrats.
And as you said, as I've said, make no mistake about it, this environmental movement has become a religion for some people, and it is creates all their meaning for them, and they literally care more about trees or smelts or whatever than they do about human beings.
And it's not only a cost in dollars, as you said earlier, you know, we're talking about thousands of dollars in costs, and you know, we were involved in litigation.
We tried to sue Biden over his rules on the appliances.
But this ESG stuff, this is very rogue, and this is the stuff where they're gonna basically co-opt or take over a lot of companies, and this is the left wants to control your pocketbook.
They want to control you through regulations, and once you can control people's livelihoods and their property, then you can control the way they vote.
And so this is all classic neo-Marxism, you know, the playbook.
They've just latched on to the environmental movement to achieve their goals or their ends.
It really is amazing how they they masquerade as environmentalists.
Let me ask you, for uh, how do you think the air quality in LA is today?
It's terrible, it's always terrible.
You know, and one of the things just really quick, when we were involved in air quality litigation on AG, one of the things that bothered me so much is Southern California was exempt from a lot of the federal air requirements because it's California.
They they get treated differently.
And it is a terrible tragedy what's going on there right now.
But people should realize this is what happens when you californicate a state, and they've created not only job killing regulations, they've pandered to the far left to the environmentalists, and you're gonna see a bunch of people fleeing that state again.
Um, and they said it's a terrible tragedy.
But if they're gonna move to Arizona or Texas or Florida, I just hope they remember that you know, lots of regulations, insane laws, lots of tax stations don't work where you have a beautiful ocean and beautiful farmland, ain't gonna work in the deserts.
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All right, we continue with former Attorney General, State of Arizona, Mark Burnovich is with us.
He's been involved in a lot of the lawsuits involving these environmental lunatics.
What you're really pointing out, I think is very, very clear, and that is this environmental radicalism that that movement has has really evolved into the leftist Marxist statist socialist agenda, as as best exemplified by the new Green Deal.
Is that a fair analysis?
Absolutely 100%.
And it is so bad.
Um I remember when I was running for re-election of A.G., you had these left-wing groups spending millions, millions of dollars to attack me because of my views on the environment.
I spoke at the University of Virginia Law School a few years ago about what a sham so much of this environmentalism is, and like talking about facts and and you know why we need we we don't need these job killing regulations and these statutes.
And a student was crying, a lawsuit was crying, and I told him, I said, my guy, if you can handle me talking about the environmental movement for 45 minutes and telling you why there's all these all this hypocrisy and all these holes in it, and Al Gore's living in a 10,000 foot square home that takes up more energy than the entire blocks around him, and Leonardo DiCaprio is preaching environmentalism while he's flying to pro on private debts to private islands.
There's so much hypocrisy in the movement because it is.
It's neo-Marxism where do as they say, not as they do.
They are they're hypocrites, and if you look at the data, if you trust the science, whatever you want to say, so much of what they're saying is BS.
And one of the things that I used to point out, I there's an article from the early 70s in Time magazine that had a picture of the earth with a giant ice sheet over it.
I used to use that.
I used to hold it out.
And if you read the first paragraph that Time Magazine story, it talked about the scientific consensus in because of mankind, we are forever changing environment, and it now created a global ice age.
And then when temperatures started warming up in the 80s and 90s, then it became global warming.
And now, because the earth is temperature is constantly changing.
I mean, the Great Lakes were created 10,000 years ago by we had an ice age in America.
The ice age the ice sheet receded, and that's how the Great Lakes were formed.
So we've gone through these cycles of hot, cold, hot and cold, and it's the arrogance of human beings to think that somehow we are radically, you know, changing the environment.
But what has happened is enough people believe that, like a religion, if people have lost faith in God, they'll believe in anything, and uh neo-Marxist socialists have latched on to it because they understand this is how you can emotionally control people, and you can create this crisis where people have to act.
Oh my gosh, we need a bigger federal government, or we need less trees, we need to save snails instead of desalinizing water in Southern California.
There's all these issues which are all about control, and there's so much hypocrisy in the environmental movement, quite honestly, it makes me sick.
Don't worry, by the time they're all said and done, they'll blame Donald Trump.
I I do have to run.
Uh we appreciate your expertise on this.
Uh former Attorney General, great state of Arizona, Mark Bernovich with us.
Thank you, sir.
We appreciate your time.
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It was so interesting to watch uh anchor.
He's he's in the middle of of saying and claiming that firefighters are running out of water is just that that that report is false.
In spite of everybody else reporting it.
And then a ground reporter says, no, that story's true.
Listen.
Despite what you have heard from Caruso, no firefighters have told us that they are running out of water.
And let's go out to Gigi Graciette.
She is live in Pacific Palisades.
I know your signal's not the best, but Gigi, what can you tell us?
Well, firefighters have told me they have no water on this block, and you may be able to make out the ember storm that we're in the middle of right now.
This house is going to be a total loss.
They have no water to put on this fire.
They are standing by because they're trying to save the home that is next to it.
We are on Cary Street.
This is between Toyopa Drive and Sunset Boulevard.
That home is going to be a total loss.
Firefighters here telling me they have no water.
Why?
They don't know.
They've heard that there may be broken mains, they may be broken pipes.
They don't know.
But what they've been doing to save the house next to it is actually putting pulling water from the swimming pool.
I mean, it's just horrible.
What's going on?
Let's go to California.
Bonnie is uh on the Sean Hannity show.
Bonnie, how are you?
I'm so sorry about what's going on in your state.
And for people in LA in the South Line.
Yeah, I'm in Pasadena, just a few miles from the Eton fire, which started maybe just a few hours after the Palisades fire.
Um, and same story.
No water.
Blocks and blocks and blocks of houses, small businesses, even, you know, Bank of America businesses all burnt down.
No water anywhere for the firefighters.
The weird thing is I have water in my home.
I can, you know, run the dishwasher, run flush the toilet, get water out of the tap, no problem.
But the firefighters don't have them.
I've been calling my city, I've been calling my mayor, I've been calling my city council people, saying, listen, if the firefighters need water, tell everybody don't use the water and give the water to them for five hours, six hours, all day.
No water.
We'll give it to the firefighters.
This is intentional.
Turn on the water.
Um tens of thousands of homes have burned down.
This is a complete and utter disaster.
They're not doing anything to stop the fire.
It's just gonna burn itself out, maybe eventually.
The good news But you still have hundred mile per hour winds, which means that this thing's gonna keep, you know, expanding.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
Sean impact it is still for the past two now.
The other night, it was Tuesday night, terrible winds.
That's another story.
On Monday, January 6th, horrific January 6th anniversary.
Chemtrails all over Southern California, crisscrossing the skies.
By by Monday night, there was a small haze all over the basin in in Southern California.
Tuesday, and then that night, massive or the next day, they started talking about um Santa Anna winds.
Santa Anna wins, that's not happened this time of year.
That's weird.
I thought that's weird.
Massive windstorms.
Incredible.
I've had some damage to my house, broken window, et cetera.
Um, bad, bad.
But and that's when the fire started, right?
And it was freaky, and you could see the flames from the window, and oh my God, everybody's panicking.
But yesterday and today, still not a breeze, not a breeze, and yet the fire is still going.
They could stop this fire.
There's no water to stop the fire.
There's not a so funny because I just saw a report that the winds have had picked back up again.
But uh, listen, you're there, so you know better than I do.
I I hope that's the case, but you're making a good point because they're still reporting zero containment.
And if there's no containment, that means they don't have the water to contain it.
And and that is a huge problem.
I mean, and the idea that nobody wants to take any responsibility for what's happened here is unconscionable to me is as people are watching their their lifelong dreams literally go up in flames and up in smoke.
It's so preventable.
Um our prayers are with you, Bonnie.
Hang in there.
Thank you for that information.
We appreciate it.
Uh Scott, also California next Sean Hannity show.
Hi.
Hi, Sean.
Longtime listener.
Yeah, right now, okay, I'm about 30 miles away, 40 miles away from the fire in um down in Malibu, and it looks like the the smoke is kind of billowing up, but it's still going horizontal, so that's showing the wind is still quite strong.
And then Well, Fox Fox put up that they had winds anywhere from ninety to a hundred miles per hour.
Uh I'm looking now, you know, it depends on where it is.
Like the Hearst fire was nineteen miles per hour, and other areas.
The Lydia fire, it was three hundred and forty-eight acres, which is total forty percent contained at least in that particular fire, which is nice, but but their winds are still moving in a lot of areas.
Uh the sunset fire hit 43 acres.
I mean, you can go through every every one of them, and you know, still zero percent contained there, which is is so heartbreaking for people.
That means they're not making any progress, and a lot of times there's not a lot of wind.
But for the most but there has been a a downturn in the winds in a lot of areas for sure.
Yeah, and then see, I lived in Ventura, and I'm looking at the hillside that was called the Thomas Fire.
It had burnt probably four years ago.
And the lady prior to me was saying that they ran out of water.
Well, four years ago, this was at the Thomas fire, it happened the same way.
They ran out of water, and I think a thousand homes burnt here in Ventura.
And so you would have thought that they would have learned their lesson then had you know city council meetings or whatever with the government.
They should have uh Well, I mean, that that fire came after I had left California in I guess 1990.
What was it?
Hope sound, is that the part of the uh kind of a more affluent area of Santa Barbara?
That whole community, I went back there, it was like burned to the ground.
It was awful.
Yeah.
And and and then all these subsequent fires, and they never learn their lesson.
They never make adjustments.
They never change their policy.
They never, you know, I I mentioned earlier all the universities you can get a degree in forestry and forest management, and that includes controlled burns.
That includes eliminating the brush and the kindle for these fires.
Uh and and pra and and and certainly having water available.
Um, you know, Caitlin Jenner was very interesting.
You know, lives in Malibu.
They just had a fire there not long ago.
Completely fireproof the exterior of the house except for the garage doors.
That's it.
The whole house was uh the the you know, the outside of it was fireproof.
In in Florida, where I live, Free State of Florida, you have to have a hurricane.
If you live anywhere near the water, you have to have hurricane sustaining doors and windows, period, and the sentence it's mandated.
And it's smart.
And that that that's why you're able to also get insurance in the end.
Yes.
And and there's a problem here, you know, you get all these multimillion dollar homes, and they want to put in drought tolerant plants just to make it environmentally looking good for their friends or whatnot.
And that's the worst kind of plant you can put in front of your house because it's just gonna torch.
It's like a chaparral.
And that's all we have around here is chaparral.
We don't have trees or really any forest until you get up to four or five thousand feet.
And so this fire started down in the palisades.
I think it was probably I'd say the elevation where it started, maybe two, three thousand feet at the max.
Yeah.
And the wind I'm just I I just feel awful for everybody and and all the people that have had to evacuate that have no knowledge of their home is still standing.
And it it it's it's preventable.
Anyway, uh our prayers are with you.
Hang in there, Scott.
Uh Steve is in Missouri.
Hey, Steve, how are you?
Steve's a farmer, it says on my screen.
How uh thank you for what you do.
Thank you for feeding us.
What do you grow?
Um small grains, corn and uh soybeans.
And it's just a a family farm.
We rent out the ground, so not a true farmer.
Uh do help with managing the farm and some of that is prescribed burns that we do on a periodic basis, both on uh CRP grasses and you do good you do good land management, you do controlled burns as a means of preventing vulnerability to a massive fire like we're witnessing in California.
That and also for primarily management of the CRP ground.
But yes.
And uh I you know, like I told your screener, I said I don't know if it could have been prevented, but it sure could have been minimized greatly if this would have been done.
But uh like your caller uh Ms. Shenner said yesterday, uh you know, you can't make fire breaks if this kind of plant or flower or whatever it was is there.
Well, you just hush your mouth and keep doing it.
So uh yeah, i it's it's sad.
It is, but it could people should be listening and learning from you because you understand it.
But they you know what?
They've decided to capitulate to the radical environmentalist movement, and that's this is the the predictable sad result.
Anyway, Steve, thank you.
We'll uh sneak in Josh in Florida, my home state, my free state of Florida.
What's going on, Josh?
How are you, sir?
Hello, Sean.
I want to say thank you very much.
First of all, I want to say God bless everybody in California, their homes, their families, their friends, the wildlife there, and the wildlife people who are take care of those animals.
I see it on the news here in Jacksville.
My point reason why I'm calling you, sir, is because I have the utmost respect for you more now than I ever have the whole many, many years that I've listened to you.
You have stuck by Mr. Donald Trump, our president, who I will be there in Washington for the inaugural.
I will be there, I'll be leaving next Friday, stay on a Monday.
However, through thick and thin, sir, you have been there by his side.
I have listened to you.
You never veered away from him.
And for that, that makes me more of a listener now than I ever have.
My son is sixteen years old and listens to you just as much as I do when he gets out of school.
Thank you for being the true hero on the on on air.
I mean that.
You have never You know, I'm I'm just being true to myself, and I will tell you his ideas when implemented to the extent we can get this agenda passed, is it is going to be transformational.
It will be good for your sixteen year old son.
It'll be good for my kids that are a little bit older.
Uh if they ever have children and I'm a grandparent, it'll be good for our grandkids.
We have got to fix this country.
It is a disaster right now.
And had we not won, I don't know if we ever would be able to recover.
So I'm I'm grateful to all of you, and I said that at the time that that went out, took the time, voted, participated, donated, whatever you did, poll watchers.
I I mean I can't everybody would we're all spokes in a wheel here.
And everybody did their part and thankfully it came out the right way, and now we now we have a uh this is a great opportunity.
It's an exciting time.
We can we can make we can transform Washington.
We can actually bring back constitutional principles.
But anyway, you're very kind to me.
I I say to you, back at you, thank you.
Uh happy New Year to you and your family, and I'm just gonna keep on listening.
Happy New Year, sir.
Thank you for everything you've ever said.
You stuck to it, and the guests you have, uh Gillian Michaels, you name it, Caitlin Jenner.
They're all right, but the topics you bring about are for the people, for the Americans and for the country.
Thank you so much, sir.
That's who I care the most about.
I mean, really we do this show for people.
And you know, for all these years that I have said, you know, why do so many people put their faith, their hope, their trust in government?
How many times does government have to disappoint you and fail you before you recognize that they're not the answer?
I urge all of you in this audience to be as self-reliant as possible.
Look what they did to Social Security, Medicare.
They're gonna they're going bankrupt.
Look what they've done with the thirty seven trillion dollar budget deficit.
Look at what they've done, you know, with their environmental regulations to the cost of gasoline and diesel and energy in this country.
Look at the regulations.
They want to take away, you know, plastic straws and your refrigerator, your air conditioner, your freezer and washer and dryer.
They want to control every aspect of your life.
They don't believe in freedom.
You know, look at how are your s how's your school system doing?
How is law and order in your small town or big city?
Why do people believe in the Green New Deal where what we're promising we'll take care of your every need?
Well, how did Obamacare work out?
I don't know.
Anyway, I I appreciate the call, and I just urge this audience, those of you hearing me, don't depend on the government.
Worst words of the English language.
I'm I'm from the government.
I want to help you.
Oh thank you.
I can live without your help.
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