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JG, what can you tell us?
Well, firefighters have told me they have no water on this block.
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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, you know, this whole issue of environmental radicalism, extremism has been with us a long time.
And you've had these groups out there.
They have basically been co-opted.
The left has been co-opted by these groups and pressured by these groups.
And slowly but surely, it culminated in an administration that is willing to spend a fortune of your money when it comes to, oh, that's okay.
You're going to have to retrofit your home.
Oh, that's okay.
You're going to have to get a new washer and dryer, new air conditioner, new refrigerator, new appliances without any consideration at all.
There was a report out today with Donald Trump now considering an executive order to protect gas-powered appliances.
You know, consumer watchdogs are pointing out how much the Biden administration and their radical environmental agenda is costing homeowners.
And according to the Alliance for Consumers, all of these mandated green updates from Biden regulations and Harris regulations could cost the average American family $9,000.
That's on top of Biden inflation, Biden energy prices, everything you pay for, inflation, everything you buy in every store you go to through the roof.
And it's all based on this ridiculous insanity that America should not be fossil fuel dependent.
I mean, the effort to really eliminate all fossil fuels are real.
We see the sabotage with what the moratorium Joe Biden tried to put in place.
It will be overcome by Donald Trump in the final hours as he's leaving office, or selling off portions of the border wall.
It's just anger, resentment, bitterness, pettiness on his part.
It's pretty unbelievable.
But this movement has been building for some time.
The year that I went out to the San Joaquin Valley and did the story on the Delta Smelt was 2009.
And they had all of these farms, as far as the eye can see, that were not able to grow crops because they wanted to protect and save the water for a little minnow fish called the Delta Smelt.
Now, you probably are thinking, well, the Delta Smelt is an endangered species.
No, it's not.
It's like a minnow.
You know, if you've ever been fishing and you take a little minnow, you put it on the end of your hook to catch a bigger fish, you know what it looks like.
It's not that big a deal.
And there's plenty of them, probably too many of them.
But the fact that the government of California chose the Delta smelt, not an endangered species, over farmers and people and their ability to eat food at a cost rate that is effective for them is insanity.
Let's take you back to 09.
This is when I went out to the San Joaquin Valley.
Tonight, we bring you an update on a story that we covered back in May.
The Central Valley of California was once considered the breadbasket of America, but now farms all over that region have been allowed to dry up.
Now, why?
Because of a two-inch minnow on the endangered species list.
Now, environmentalists claim that the fish was getting caught in the water pumps that provided the farms with water.
So to protect the tiny fish, the pumps were turned off.
Did I ever sound like that, Linda?
Really?
It is so painful to hear that.
I have to say, what's funnier about it is looking at it with you and Devin Nunes, and it's just, I don't know.
It was just funny.
Oh, funny for you.
Not funny for me.
Funny for me, indeed.
Let's go to Donald Trump in 2018, standing next to Gavin Newsom and advising him and stressing the importance of proper forest management.
Listen, cleaned out and protected.
We've got to take care of the floors.
You know, the floors of the forests, very important.
You look at other countries where they do it differently, and it's a whole different story.
I was with the president of Finland, and he said, We have much different.
We're a forest nation.
He called it a forest nation.
And they spend a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things, and they don't have any problem.
And when it is, it's a very small problem.
So I know everybody's looking at that to that end, and it's going to work out.
Now, you see nothing but passing the buck, blame, and no accountability of people that have been in office many decades out in California.
And the bottom line is that the mismanagement of California's fire policies have made it vulnerable year after year after year as this wildfire now is raging through not only the Pacific Palisades, but now into the Hollywood Hills, into Santa Monica.
And God knows how far and wide this is going to go.
The fire has not been contained as of this hour.
And hopefully some of the winds are beginning to die down a little bit, according to some reports.
That would be good.
But people's lives have been lost.
Thousands of homes have been lost.
And everybody's more concerned about, quote, Trump-proofing California when they should have been fireproofing people's communities, knowing that they have this history of wildfires.
Now, our friend Mark Bernovich, former attorney general with the great state of Arizona, handled a lot of litigation relating to these rules dealing with, quote, carbon emissions and job-killing environmental regulations.
And anyway, he joins us, and this has now been building for decades.
That clip I played, which, by the way, was very distorted.
I don't think that sounded like me at all.
But that clip was from 2009.
A long time ago, we've been on this issue.
Well, Sean, thanks for having me on.
And I will say your voice is improving with age, so that you got that going for you.
Sometimes when I'm on your show, people will call me or text me and say, I sound like Darth Vader.
So I'm not sure what that's about.
But let me just, as you said, this has been building for decades.
And this is what I used to always say, even in court, that when the Soviet Union collapsed, communism didn't die.
All those people just ended up in the environmental movement.
Make no mistake about it.
This has become a religion for people.
And it's a terrible tragedy what is happening in California right now.
But the reality is for decades, environmentalists, as you pointed out, have stopped water from flowing to the Southern California or flowing into farms because of species that are using the Endangered Species Act for protected species or other species that are plentiful.
But we saw, even when I was AG, we were involved in litigation in the Ninth Circuit where these environmental groups basically used NEPA, the National Environmental Protection Act, to go into court to stop any sort of development or even forest thinning.
So they think they know how to manage a forest or land better than the Forest Service.
And what ends up happening, first of all, they destroyed the logging industry, the timber industry in Arizona.
Secondly, because you don't thin forests out anymore, or they don't thin the woods and the mountains in California anymore, what ends up happening is you end up getting more trees per acre.
So when you have a fire, it's more intense.
It's harder to fight.
And not only that, if the environmentalists were smart, they would recognize that when there's more trees per acre, that means there's less flow in the spring into the reservoirs in California and Arizona and other places because there's more trees sucking up more water.
So the environmentalists created this.
There is a man-made crisis with our environment, but it's created by the zealots in the environmental movement that care more about minnows than they do about human beings.
It really is something.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Attorney General.
My understanding is you could actually go to college and get a degree in forestry.
Is that not correct?
You know, I have a beef with the higher education establishment, and that's what it is.
So I'm guessing they offer all sorts of degrees and all sorts of crazy studies that are pretty much, I don't know, worthless.
But that's a whole different debate of this discussion because I sued the universities here, and it was crazy what we found out during discovery of not only where people's tax dollars are going to public universities, but the types of classes that people were forced to take and the type of degrees that were offered.
Anyway, but getting back to the environmental stuff, which we, I was very involved in, one of the things that we got to remember is don't forget the ESG, the environmental, social, and governance scores.
Biden's SEC, right towards the end of my term as AG, we went into court to stop Biden's SEC, Security and Exchange Commission, from promulgating, they had new rules that basically added all these burdensome requirements on publicly traded companies, and they literally had to consider their ESG score.
I mean, I always say that, you know, people like my mom that worked very hard, you know, what the green she cares about is the green in her retirement account.
She doesn't want the SEC saving, you know, forests.
I mean, that's not the job of federal bureaucrats.
And as you said, as I've said, make no mistake about it, this environmental movement has become a religion for some people, and it creates all their meaning for them.
And they literally care more about trees or smelts or whatever than they do about human beings.
And it's not only a cost in dollars.
As you said earlier, we're talking about thousands of dollars in costs.
And, you know, we were involved in litigation.
We tried to sue Biden over his rules on appliances.
But this ESG stuff, this is very woke.
And this is the stuff where they're going to basically co-opt or take over a lot of companies.
And the left wants to control your pocketbook.
They want to control you through regulations.
And once you can control people's livelihoods and their property, then you can control the way they vote.
And so this is all classic neo-Marxism, the playbook.
They just latched onto the environmental movement to achieve their goals or their ends.
It really is amazing how they masquerade as environmentalists.
Let me ask you, how do you think the air quality in LA is today?
It's terrible.
It's always terrible.
You know, and one of the things, just really quick, when we were involved in air quality litigation, I was AG, one of the things that bothered me so much is Southern California was exempt from a lot of the federal air requirements because it's California.
They get treated differently.
And it is a terrible tragedy what's going on there right now.
But people should realize this is what happens when you californicate a state.
And they've created not only job-tilling regulations, they've pandered to the far left, to the environmentalists.
And you're going to see a bunch of people fleeing that state again.
And like I said, it's a terrible tragedy.
But if they're going to move to Arizona or Texas or Florida, I just hope they remember that, you know, lots of regulations, insane laws, lots of tax stations don't work where you have a beautiful ocean and beautiful farmland.
Ain't going to work in the deserts.
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All right, we continue with former Attorney General, state of Arizona.
Mark Bernovich is with us.
He's been involved in a lot of the lawsuits involving these environmental lunatics.
What you're really pointing out, I think, is very, very clear, and that is this environmental radicalism that that movement has really evolved into the leftist, Marxist, statist, socialist agenda, as best exemplified by the new Green Deal.
Is that a fair analysis?
Absolutely, 100%.
And it is so bad.
I remember when I was running for re-election as AG, you had these left-wing groups spending millions, millions of dollars to attack me because of my views on the environment.
I spoke at the University of Virginia Law School a few years ago about what a sham so much of this environmentalism is and like talking about facts and why we don't need these job-telling regulations and these statutes.
And a student was crying.
A lawsuit was crying.
And I told him, I said, my guy, if you can't handle me talking about the environmental movement for 45 minutes and telling you why there's all this hypocrisy and all these holes in it, and Al Gore's living in a 10,000-foot square home that takes up more energy than the entire blocks around him.
And Leonardo DiCaprio is preaching environmentalism while he's flying on private debts to private islands.
There's so much hypocrisy in the movement because it is.
It's neo-Marxism where do as they say, not as they do.
They're hypocrites.
And if you look at the data, if you trust the science, wherever you want to say, so much of what they're saying is BS.
And one of the things that I used to point out, there's an article from the early 70s in Time magazine that had a picture of the Earth with a giant ice sheet over it.
I used to use that.
I used to hold it up.
And if you read the first paragraph, that Time magazine story, it talked about the scientific consensus is in because of mankind, we are forever changing the environment and have now created a global ice age.
And then when temperatures started warming up in the 80s and 90s, then it became global warming.
And now, because the Earth's temperature is constantly changing, I mean, the Great Lakes were created 10,000 years ago by we had an ice age in America.
In the ice age, the ice sheet receded, and that's how the Great Lakes were formed.
So we've gone through these cycles of hot, cold, hot, and cold.
And it's the arrogance of human beings to think that somehow we are radically, you know, changing the environment.
But what has happened is enough people believe that like a religion, that people have lost faith in God.
They'll believe in anything.
And the neo-Marxists, the socialists have latched on to it because they understand this is how you can emotionally control people and you can create this crisis where people have to act.
Oh my gosh, we need a bigger federal government or we need less trees.
We need to save snails instead of desalinizing water in Southern California.
There's all these issues which are all about control and there's so much hypocrisy in the environmental movement which quite honestly makes me sick.
Don't worry.
By the time they're all said and done, they'll blame Donald Trump.
I do have to run.
We appreciate your expertise on this.
Former Attorney General, great state of Arizona, Mark Bernovich, with us.
Thank you, sir.
We appreciate your time.
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It was so interesting to watch an anchor.
He's in the middle of saying and claiming that firefighters are running out of water.
It's just that that report is false in spite of everybody else reporting it.
And then a ground reporter says, no, that story is true.
Listen, listen.
Despite what you have heard from Caruso, no firefighters have told us that they are running out of water.
And let's go out to Gigi Graciette.
She is live in Pacific Palisades.
I know your signal is not the best, but Gigi, what can you tell us?
Well, firefighters have told me they have no water on this block, and you may be able to make out the ember storm that we're in the middle of right now.
This house is going to be a total loss.
They have no water to put on this fire.
They are standing by because they're trying to save the home that is next to it.
We are on Kerry Street.
This is between Toyopa Drive and Sunset Boulevard.
That home is going to be a total loss.
Firefighters here telling me they have no water.
Why?
They don't know.
They've heard that there may be broken mains, there may be broken pipes.
They don't know.
But what they've been doing to save the house next to it is actually pulling water from the swimming pool.
I mean, it's just horrible.
What's going on?
Let's go to California.
Bonnie is on the Sean Hannity show.
Bonnie, how are you?
I'm so sorry about what's going on in your state.
And for people in L.A. and the Southline.
Yeah, I'm in Pasadena, just a few miles from the Eaton fire, which started maybe just a few hours after the Palisades fire.
And same story, no water.
Blocks and blocks and blocks of houses, small businesses, even, you know, Bank of America businesses all burned down.
No water anywhere for the firefighters.
The weird thing is, I have water in my home.
I can, you know, run the dishwasher, run, flush the toilet, get water out of the tap, no problem.
But the firefighters don't have them.
I've been calling my city.
I've been calling my mayor.
I've been calling my city council people saying, listen, if the firefighters need water, tell everybody don't use the water and give the water to them for five hours, six hours, all day.
No water.
We'll give it to the firefighters.
This is intentional.
Turn on the water.
Tens of thousands of homes have burnt down.
This is a complete and utter disaster.
They're not doing anything to stop the fire.
It's just going to burn itself out, maybe, eventually.
The good news is.
But you still have 100 mile per hour winds, which means that this thing is going to keep expanding.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
Sean, it is still for the past two.
Now, the other night, it was Tuesday night, terrible winds.
That's another story.
On Monday, January 6th, they had a horrific January 6th anniversary.
10 trails all over Southern California, crisscrossing the skies.
By Monday night, there was a small haze all over the basin in Southern California.
Tuesday, and then that night, massive, or the next day, they started talking about Santa Ana winds.
Santa Ana winds, that don't happen this time of year.
That's weird.
I thought that's weird.
Massive windstorms.
Incredible.
I've had some damage to my house, broken window, et cetera.
Bad, bad.
But, and that's when the fire started, right?
And it was freaky, and you could see the flames from the window.
And oh my God, everybody's panicking.
But yesterday and today, still, not a breeze, not a breeze.
And yet the fire is still going.
They could stop this fire.
There's no water to stop the fire.
There's not a water.
It's so funny because I just saw a report that the winds had picked back up again.
But listen, you're there, so you know better than I do.
I hope that's the case.
But you're making a good point because they're still reporting zero containment.
And if there's no containment, that means they don't have the water to contain it.
And that is a huge problem.
I mean, and the idea that nobody wants to take any responsibility for what's happened here is unconscionable to me is as people are watching their lifelong dreams literally go up in flames and up in smoke.
It's so preventable.
Our prayers are with you, Bonnie.
Hang in there.
Thank you for that information.
We appreciate it.
Scott, also, California, next Sean Hannity show.
Hi.
Hi, Sean.
Longtime listener.
Yeah, right now, okay, I'm about 30 miles away, 40 miles away from the fire down in Malibu.
And it looks like the smoke is kind of billowing up, but it's still going horizontal.
So that's showing the wind is still quite strong.
And then off.
Well, Fox put up that they had winds anywhere from 90 to 100 miles per hour.
I'm looking now.
You know, it depends on where it is.
Like the Hearst fire was 19 miles per hour.
And other areas, the Lydia fire, it was 348 acres, which is total 40% contained, at least in that particular fire, which is nice.
But their winds are still moving in a lot of areas.
The Sunset Fire hit 43 acres.
I mean, you can go through every one of them and still 0% contained there, which is so heartbreaking for people.
That means they're not making any progress.
And a lot of times there's not a lot of wind.
But there has been a downturn in the winds in a lot of areas for sure.
Yeah.
And then, see, I lived in Ventura and I'm looking at the hillside that was called the Thomas Fire.
It had burnt probably four years ago.
And the lady prior to me was saying that they ran out of water.
Well, four years ago, the Thomas fire happened the same way.
They ran out of water and I think a thousand homes burnt here in Ventura.
And so you would have thought that they would have learned their lesson then and had, you know, city council meetings or whatever with the government.
They should have.
Well, I mean, that fire came after.
I left California in, I guess, 1990.
What was it?
Hope Sound?
Is that the part of the kind of a more affluent area of Santa Barbara?
That whole community, I went back there was like burned to the ground.
It was awful.
And then all these subsequent fires, and they never learned their lesson.
They never make adjustments.
They never change their policy.
They never, you know, I mentioned earlier, all the universities, you can get a degree in forestry and forest management.
And that includes controlled burns.
That includes eliminating the brush and the kindle for these fires.
And certainly having water available.
You know, Caitlin Jenner was very interesting, you know, lives in Malibu.
They just had a fire there not long ago.
Completely fireproof the exterior of the house except for the garage doors.
That's it.
The whole house was the, you know, the outside of it was fireproofed.
In Florida, where I live, free state of Florida, you have to have a hurricane.
If you live anywhere near the water, you have to have hurricane sustaining doors and windows.
Period.
End of sentence.
It's mandated.
And it's smart.
And that's why you're able to also get insurance in the end.
Yes.
And there's a problem here.
You know, you get all these multi-million dollar homes and they want to put in drought-tolerant plants just to make it environmentally looking good for their friends or whatnot.
And that's the worst kind of plant you can put in front of your house because it's just going to torch.
It's like a chaparral.
And that's all we have around here is chaparral.
We don't have trees or really any forest until you get up to 4,000 or 5,000 feet.
And so this fire started down in the Palisades.
I think it was probably, I'd say the elevation where it started, maybe 2,000, 3,000 feet at the max.
And the wind.
I just feel awful for everybody.
And all the people that have had to evacuate and have no knowledge of their home is still standing.
And it's preventable.
Anyway, our prayers are with you.
Hang in there, Scott.
Steve is in Missouri.
Hey, Steve, how are you?
Steve's a farmer, it says on my screen.
Thank you for what you do.
Thank you for feeding us.
What do you grow?
Small grains, corn, and soybeans.
And it's just a family farm.
We rent out the ground.
So not a true farmer.
Do help with managing the farm.
And some of that is prescribed burns that we do on a periodic basis, both on CRP grasses.
So you do good land management.
You do controlled burns as a means of preventing vulnerability to a massive fire like we're witnessing in California.
That and also for primarily management of the CRP ground.
But yes.
And, You know, like I told your screener, I said, I don't know if it could have been prevented, but it sure could have been minimized greatly if this would have been done.
But like your caller, Ms. Jenner, said yesterday, you know, you can't make fire breaks if this kind of plant or flower or whatever it was is there.
Well, you just hush your mouth and keep doing it.
So, yeah, it's sad.
It is, but it could be.
People should be listening and learning from you because you understand it.
But you know what?
They've decided to capitulate to the radical environmentalist movement.
And this is the predictable, sad result.
Anyway, Steve, thank you.
We'll sneak in Josh in Florida, my home state, my free state of Florida.
What's going on, Josh?
How are you, sir?
Hello, Sean.
I want to say thank you very much.
First of all, I want to say God bless everybody in California, their homes, their families, their friends, the wildlife there, and the wildlife people who take care of those animals.
I see it on the news here in Jacksonville.
My point reason why I'm calling you, sir, is because I have the utmost respect for you more now than I ever have the whole many, many years that I've listened to you.
You have stuck by Mr. Donald Trump, our president, who I will be there in Washington for the inaugural.
I will be there.
I'll be leaving next Friday, staying on Monday.
However, through thick and thin, sir, you have been there by his side.
I have listened to you.
You never veered away from him.
And for that, that makes me more of a listener now than I ever have.
My son is 16 years old and listens to you just as much as I do when he gets out of school.
Thank you for being the true hero on the air.
I mean that.
You have never been true to myself.
And I will tell you, his ideas, when implemented to the extent we can get this agenda passed, it is going to be transformational.
It will be good for your 16-year-old son.
It'll be good for my kids that are a little bit older.
If they ever have children and I'm a grandparent, it'll be good for our grandkids.
We have got to fix this country.
It is a disaster right now.
And had we not won, I don't know if we ever would be able to recover.
So I'm grateful to all of you.
And I said that at the time, that went out, took the time, voted, participated, donated, whatever you did, poll watchers.
I mean, I can't, everybody, we're all spokes in a wheel here.
And everybody did their part.
And thankfully, it came out the right way.
And now we have this is a great opportunity.
It's an exciting time.
We can transform Washington.
We can actually bring back constitutional principles.
But anyway, you're very kind to me.
I say to you, back at you, thank you.
Happy New Year to you and your family.
And I'm just going to keep on listening.
Happy New Year, sir.
Thank you for everything you've ever said.
You stuck to it and the guests you have.
Jillian Michaels, you name it, Caitlin Jenner.
They're all right, but the topics you bring about are for the people, for the Americans, and for the country.
Thank you so much, sir.
That's who I care the most about.
I mean, really, we do this show for people.
And, you know, for all these years that I have said, you know, why do so many people put their faith, their hope, their trust in government?
How many times does government have to disappoint you and fail you before you recognize that they're not the answer?
I urge all of you in this audience to be as self-reliant as possible.
Look what they did to Social Security, Medicare.
They're going bankrupt.
Look what they've done with the $37 trillion budget deficit.
Look at what they've done with their environmental regulations to the cost of gasoline and diesel and energy in this country.
Look at the regulations.
They want to take away plastic straws and your refrigerator, your air conditioner, your freezer, and washer and dryer.
They want to control every aspect of your life.
They don't believe in freedom.
How's your school system doing?
How is law and order in your small town or big city?
Why do people believe in the Green New Deal where what we're promising will take care of your every need?
Well, how did Obamacare work out?
I don't know.
Anyway, I appreciate the call, and I just urge this audience, those of you hearing me, don't depend on the government.