Brigitte Gabriel and Gordon Chang - December 9th, Hour 3
Brigitte Gabriel, Founder & Chairman of ACT For America and Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China and The Great U.S.-China Tech War and Former United States Trade Representative are here to discuss what the next steps are for America on the world’s stage. It’s clear that President Trump is regarded as the sitting President. Now with Assad out in Syria and Israel going on offense, we have a very serious situation unfolding in the Middle East, yet again. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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There is a lot of uncertainty regarding Assad's uh removal, if you will, and the cove that is taking place uh in as it relates to Syria, but but there's certain undeniable truths in all of this.
The fact that Vladimir Putin was so engaged in his war with Ukraine, and by the way, just not a shocker to anybody, but you know, Joe Biden now is sending, you know, another billion dollars in additional weapons on his way out the door, just like you know, six hundred billion dollars in student loan forgiveness.
This guy just you know spending money like crazy.
Um is it good to see?
Yes.
Uh am I glad it happened?
Yes.
Does it weaken Vladimir Putin's influence in the region?
It absolutely does.
Does it weaken the Iranian mullahs?
It absolutely does.
Does it raise the prospects uh for peace in the Middle East and an alliance again to be re-established with the United States and Israel and Jordan and Egypt and the Saudis and the Emirates that existed when Donald Trump was president the first time, it does.
Uh Vladimir Putin taking in Assad is interesting.
It was kind of entertaining over the weekend to watch, you know, uh a lot of the rebels that that had basically ousted this this murdering dictator uh as they were rummaging through his house and and looting the place like crazy.
But anyway, so the people are celebrating.
They're tearing down posters of a Assad and the and but we don't know yet how this is gonna play out.
We don't know what role, you know, ISIS had been, uh for example, in Czech, and a lot of ISIS prisoners had been held by the Kurds uh in Syria and Iraq and elsewhere, and we don't want radical Islamists taking over Syria and and we have to watch for who's gonna ultimately take over here.
You know, one thing the Israelis did almost immediately was they took out their chemical weapons site uh within Syria, not knowing who ultimately will be in charge when things settle down.
You might remember Obama made this comment in 2012 that the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime would be a red line for us, and meanwhile, they'd already used them.
We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized.
Uh that would change my calculus.
That would change my equation.
Yes.
Somehow, under in a situation this uh this volatile, uh, I wouldn't say that I am absolutely confident.
What I'm saying is we're monitoring that situation very carefully.
We have put together a range of contingency plans.
Uh We have communicated in no uncertain terms with every player in the region that that's a red line for us.
And that there would be enormous consequences if we start saying movement on the chemical weapons front or the use of chemical weapons.
That would uh that would change my calculations significantly.
Well, they had a chemical weapons plant, and thankfully the Israelis took that out.
I don't think any American in their right mind wants uh any part of Syria's internal conflict here.
Uh but we do have interests that we cannot afford to ignore.
Uh the fate of American hostages in in Assad's prisons, uh, like Austin Thais, as well as the remains of those who died in captivity, that would be a priority for, I'm sure it will become a priority for President Trump.
And you know, taking out any possibility that they could have weapons of mass destruction.
This was one of the mo uh better well, underreported stories.
The Israelis went in years ago, and they were able to fly below the radar of the Syrian air defenses, and they took out the nuclear sites and nobody knew it.
Just like they had done in Iraq, and it's like it was like the most underreported military coup success of all time.
But you know, I'm sure there's gonna be people here in America, you know, the the US military has worked for more than a decade with local partners to dismantle the ISIS caliphate and prevent ISIS from coming back.
But we we do need to be realistic about who these rebels are because these it basically was Islamic rebel forces in Syria that marched into Damascus and stormed the palace of Assad on Sunday, and you know, that's where they were were looting the place.
So it is it's a little tenuous to say the least.
Anyway, here for analysis, we have Brigitte Gabriel, she is the founder and chairman of Act for America, Gordon Chang, author of the coming collapse of China and the Great US Ch uh China Tech War.
Welcome both of you, Brigitte.
We'll start with you.
Let's get your take on this.
Well, I'm happy he's gone.
Uh frankly, Putin can have him.
Uh, and he's a murdering terrorist sympathizer.
Uh, we did have ISIS under control.
Uh, wouldn't want to see the reemergence of ISIS, although with Donald Trump in office, I would imagine that would be handled rather quickly.
Well, uh, thank you, Sean.
I'm glad to be back with you, and thank you for bringing such an important story and the link to ISIS with what happened in Syria, and thank God we have President Trump coming into office.
And here is why.
Here's who this group, the rebels, that basically took over the country.
Zulani uh Gilani, the head of the Hayat Tahir Sham, he is an Al-Qaeda terrorist.
He took over Al Qaeda in Iraq from Abu Musab el-Zarqawi, who established Al Qaeda in Iraq.
In two thousand and six, he was arrested by U.S. troops in Iraq and thrown in jail.
That's where he met the head and founder of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Bardadi.
In 2011, Baghdadi sent Julani to Syria to start Jebhat al-Nusra.
In 2012, it became such a great organization, a formidable front.
In 2013, Al-Baghdadi cut ties with Al Qaeda and went to Syria to establish the Islamic State of Iraq and Al Shem, which means the Levant, which is uh which became known as ISIS.
ISIS wanted to absorb Zulani and Nusra front, but he resisted, declaring his allegiance to Al Qaeda.
He did not want the global caliphate, he just wanted an Islamic state within Syria.
Al Qaeda didn't do much to help him, so in 2016, he branched off on his own.
His organization became Hayat Bahir Sham, which in Arabic it means the life of the liberation of Al-Sham.
And he had one goal defeat Assad and topple the Syrian regime.
So he established within Syria a mini-state controlled by him and under Sharia Law, an Idlib, a city of about five million people.
They established a civilian front called the Syrian salvation government.
They ruled like a state.
They had a prime minister and a government department.
He tried to change his image as a moderate ruler who supports order.
But those who lived under his rule accuse him of silencing opposition, targeting journalists, and imposing harsh restrictions.
He basically ruled a Sharia Lah ruling.
So some Syrians are now questioning whether they exchange one form of an authoritarian regime for another.
He's a dangerous militant jihadist, which will complicate any diplomatic recognition of his government.
We basically now have a a melting pot of Al Qaeda and ISIS all together, who just took control of Syria, and now they have a country that they control.
Well, we'll see how far they get in their radicalism.
Gordon Shang, your take.
Well, this um the situation reminds me of Henry Kissinger's famous comment from another conflict when he said that he wished both sides could lose.
And yes, there's some very dangerous elements who are coming to power in Syria.
And they are going to be ones where we're gonna have to deal with one way or another because they'll come for us.
But the important point here, Sean, is that uh both but but Gordon, it's not that they're gonna come for us.
We know there are known terrorists in the country right now that Harris and Biden let in.
Yes, and uh Iranian operatives are operating freely in the United States as a part of the 9-11 deal last year, Biden actually gave clemency to five Iranian operatives, allowed three of them to stay in the United States at a time when Iran was trying to assassinate uh Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and some other senior State Department officials.
So we know that they're here, and we know that this is going to give them incentives to move against us quickly.
Um but the important point about Syria right now is that both Russia and Iran, and as well as China have lost an important pawn on the chessboard, and that means we're just a little bit safer for now.
But as you point out, they are going to be this is gonna be a base for terrorism.
Well, I think that's the challenging part.
The only good thing I think you rightly point out, Brigitte, is that Vladimir has been trying to get a foothold in the region and be a dominant player in the Middle East, and I think that pretty much takes him out of the game, except for his relationship with the Iranians.
Am I wrong in that analysis?
Uh no, you are not wrong.
That does take him out of the game, but we have another player that just entered the game, and that's Erdogan in Turkey.
Erdogan is the one who supported the rebel groups in Syria because he wanted to stick it to Assad because Assad snubbed him and he did not help him when he needed the help in 2011.
And so Erdogan, who looks at himself as the leader of the Sunni world, he wants to lead and and he believes that by defeating the American Empire, by defeating the Western Empire, Western civilization, he will uh will usher in into the Middle East a new age of the Middle East, an age where Islam will come back to its former glory.
So he wants now to use Syria to basically establish a name for himself.
Now remember, Ordagon uh uh is a power to be reckoned with.
This is this is Turkey we're talking about.
This is not some offshoot crazy terrorist organization.
But this is what the Ordragon wants to do, and with Hayat Ahhira Sham, this guy now, this group that just won over Syria.
What they're talking about, which is the same goal that Ordogan wants, which is the liberation of Hasham, the Levant.
And what they mean by that, that includes that's the Islamic name of Syria, which not only includes Syria, but also Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel.
So when they talk about when this guy Zulani talks about freedom and independence from Sham, he is talking about all these countries.
So now he and Oregon have that goal and that shared goal together, so now we have a new problem and paying attention to what uh Ordon in Turkey is gonna do.
All right, let's go to our busy phones.
You know, I think that Brigitte Gordon is right on the money because Erdogan uh Erdogan uh of Turkey was out there even this weekend.
Uh he's gotten more radicalized every single year he's been in power And you know, praising the efforts of of people in quote Palestine uh and Gaza and Lebanon, those that have been at war with Israel and talking about the end of Western civilization and how you know this this new divine Islamist order would rule the entire world, and he talked about the East versus the West.
And then I'm like, why is Turkey still a member state of NATO?
Why why do we have any alliance with this guy at all?
I think he now has emerged as a radical Islamist himself.
Yeah, exactly.
And that's a scary part.
And for a for the longest time, people did not really pay that much attention to Turkey.
I mean, we heard about Turkey and supporting terrorism when they supported the flotilla.
Remember those years when the flotella was, you know, launched against Israel, they were going to Israel.
So we heard a little bit about the radicalism of Turkey.
Uh, but after the coup, Ordagon had such power.
He has such power right now, and what makes him more dangerous is like you said, he's a member of NATO.
He's not some just crazy offshoot, you know, terrorist group that just took control of a country.
Uh he is dangerous, and he has the power, major power to be able to help those rebels.
And right now he is basking in the victory.
He got rid of Assad and and he feels powerful right now.
Let's get your take, Gordon Shan.
Yeah, I think the most difficult issue for the United States and for the West is what uh you and Bridget have been talking about.
And that is what do you do about Turkey?
Because Erdogan has turned into a bad actor.
But unfortunately, he sits on some critical real estate, um, which is the control of the Bosporus, control of the Black Sea, and also a large portion on the Mediterranean Sea.
And uh NATO has tried to wait him out, and that has not been successful.
Um it is one of those things, especially with the war in Ukraine that has given Erdogan so much more influence throughout the world.
And now he has backed at least for the moment, the winning side in Syria.
I suspect that the forces in Syria now don't need Turkey as much, and so Urdwan will not have as much influence as many people think.
But nonetheless, he's become much more powerful as Bridget has just mentioned.
Yeah.
Well, I think Erdogan is a a real clear present danger to the world.
And if anybody heard his radical speech this weekend, we would know that we're dealing with an enemy and not somebody that should be a part of NATO in my view.
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So President Trump went on NBC's Meet the Press with uh Kristen Welker, and he said a lot of things that got a lot of attention.
Uh and you know, if we really go by Joe Biden and what we know he did, that he leveraged a billion taxpayer dollars to get a prosecutor in Ukraine fired in six hours.
I said I'm not gonna give Orman, we're not gonna give you the billion dollars.
I said, You have no authority.
You're not the president.
The president said I said call him.
I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars.
I said, You're not getting a billion.
I'm gonna be leaving here.
I think it was what, six hours.
I looked at I said, I'm leaving in six hours.
If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money.
Oh, son of a bot fired.
The prosecutor that was investigating the company, the oil giant Verisma, the energy giant for ESMA that was paying his then crack addicted son millions of millions of dollars, although he had no experience in his own words in oil, energy, gas, or Ukraine.
There's been a a lot of misinformation.
About me, not about my dad.
Nobody buys that, but it buys this idea that I was unqualified to be on the board.
What were your qualifications to be on the board of Aresma?
Well, I was vice chairman of the board of Amtrak for five years.
I was the chairman of the board of the UN World Food Program.
I was a lawyer for Boy Schiller Flexner, one of the most prestigious law firms in the world.
You didn't have any extensive knowledge about natural gas or Ukraine itself, though.
Uh no.
But I think that I had as much knowledge as anybody else who was on the board, uh if not more.
In the list that you gave me of the reasons why you're on that board, you did not list the fact that you were the son of the vice president.
Of course, yeah.
No, uh what role do you think that played?
I think that it is impossible for me to be on any of the boards that I just mentioned without saying that I'm the son of the vice president of the United States.
If your last name wasn't Biden, do you think he would have been asked to be on the board of Aerisma?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Probably not.
I I don't think that there's a lot of things that would happen in my life that uh that if my last name wasn't Biden.
No experience at all whatsoever.
And the prosecutor is investigating this.
And he gives them six hours and threatens to withhold the billion dollars in loan guarantees, and son of a bee, they fired them.
Now that coupled with the weaponization of the Justice Department, politicizing the FBI and the DOJ, the double standard when it comes to justice in America, i.e.
the rate at Mer a Lago, but no rate on the four locations.
Joe has top secret classified documents or Hillary Clinton's home or Hillary Clinton's office.
Anyway, Donald Trump was asked about this.
He said it's not his decision.
And yeah, uh, if I think if you look at the law, I think a prosecutor could absolutely bring this before a grand jury, and there could be indictments involving Joe and his family.
I do believe that.
Anyway, here's Donald Trump's answer to that.
Well, let me ask you this.
You said President Biden uh, quote, that you're gonna appoint a real special prosecutor to go after Joe Biden.
You said that too.
Where did I say that?
The campaign.
You said that on Truth Social June twelfth, twenty twenty-three.
I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States, Joe Biden and the entire plan.
Are you gonna do that?
Are you gonna go after Joe Biden?
I'm really looking to make our country successful.
I'm not looking to go back into the past.
I'm looking to make our country successful.
I want to pause here because what you're saying is significant.
Because you wrote on Truth Social in 2023 that you're gonna appoint a real special prosecutor to go after Joe Biden.
Now you're saying you're not gonna do that.
Um I will say this.
No, I'm not doing that unless I find something that I think is reasonable, uh, but that's not gonna be my decision.
That's gonna be Pam Bondi's decision and to a different extent, Cash Patel.
Assuming they're both there, and I b I think they're both gonna get approved.
Um, but I I you know, while you ask me that, what they've done to me with weaponization is a disgrace.
Then he was asked if you know we're subsidizing these other countries, like he's talking about Canada, and he said, Why don't we make it the 51st state, the state of Canada, which I think is hilarious.
A lot of people on the left, they just don't know what to make of Donald Trump.
It cracks me up.
Here's what he said.
I think we will I'm a big believer in tariffs.
I think terrorists are the most beautiful word.
I think they're beautiful.
It's gonna make us rich.
We're subsidizing Canada to the tune of over a hundred billion dollars a year.
We're subsidizing Mexico for almost three hundred billion dollars.
We shouldn't be subsidized.
Why are we subsidizing these countries?
If we're gonna subsidize them, let them become a state.
We're subsidizing Mexico and we're subsidizing Canada, and we're subsidizing many countries all over the world.
And all I want to do is I want to have a level, fast but fair playing field.
I mean, the media is so humorous.
And the other thing that he pointed out is, and this was made during the campaign.
Well, he's going to put tariffs and he's threatened tariffs, for example, on Mexico and on Canada if they don't secure their border.
And he said he might leave NATO.
If in fact it to other countries don't pay their fair share.
And then he rightly pointed out on the tariffs question that it will cost Americans nothing.
That they made this country money when he was president, for example, the tariffs he put on China.
It also it what it what he's doing when he mentions tariffs is he's getting their attention, and Mexico and Canada do need to secure their border and do their part.
It's called the negotiation.
And when you have unfair trade practices like China for has an intellectual property theft like China has, and you have China threatening our allies as they've been doing with Taiwan, there's got to be consequences for that behavior.
And the best way to get their attention is to hit them in the pocketbook.
Anyway, here's Donald Trump talking about how tariffs cost Americans nothing and how in his first tournament they actually made the country money.
How do you make sure that these CEOs, that these companies don't in fact pass on the cost of tariffs to their consumers?
They cost Americans nothing.
They made a great economy for us.
They also solve another problem.
If we were going to have problems having to do with wars and having to do with other things, tariffs.
I have stopped wars with tariffs by saying you guys want to fight, it's great, but both of you are going to pay tariffs to the United States at a hundred percent.
And y they have many purposes tariffs, if properly used.
I don't say you use them like a madman, I say properly used.
But it didn't cost this country anything.
It made this country money, and we never really got the chance to go all out because we had to fight COVID in the last part.
And we did it very successfully.
He's not he's not wrong, but trust me, this is all a negotiating technique.
All of this is everything with Donald Trump is transactional and it's all for negotiation purposes.
Uh the issue of immigration came up, and he said a number of things about it.
He said on deportations, the only way not to break up families is keep them together and send them all back.
And then he said he would try to end birthright citizenship.
And when asked this question, it was not asked the right way, but let me play his answers.
Let me ask you about another group of people, the estimated four million families in America who have mixed immigration status.
So I'm talking about parents who might be here illegally, but the kids are here legally.
Your borders are not.
I mean, there are two aspects to this.
Your border is our Tom Homan said they can be deported together.
Is that the plan?
That way you keep the fo Well, I don't want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don't break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back.
You've promised to end birthright citizenship on day one.
Is that still your plan?
Yeah, absolutely.
The Fourteenth Amendment, though, says that quote, all persons born in the United States are citizens.
Can you get around the 14th Amendment with an executive action?
But we have to end it.
We're the only country that has it here.
Through an executive action, you know, we're the only country that has it.
Do you know if somebody sets a foot of just a foot, one foot, you don't need to on our land.
Congratulations, you are now a a citizen of the United States of America.
Yes, we're gonna end that because it's ridiculous.
We uh well, if we can through executive action, I was going to do it through executive action, but then we had to fix COVID first, to be honest with you.
Now, Senator Mike Lee on this second part of this actually put up on X, and he's right about this.
When the President said he intends to end birthright citizenship, people said, Well, it's in the Constitution, it's in the Constitution.
And he rightly pointed out they selectively omitted a key part of the Fourteenth Amendment and a question about birthright citizenship.
And when he was asked about a number of changes he intends to implement as president, well, it included the plan to end birthright citizenship.
Under the Fourteenth Amendment, someone born in the U.S. born in our country is granted citizenship.
And this was uh, you know, years ago we were talking about this issue.
People would come from other countries while they were pregnant.
They deliver their child in America for the purpose of gaining birthright citizenship.
Anyway, uh under the 14th Amendment, uh that is that happens.
However, as he points out that the Fourteenth Amendment states all persons in the U.S. are citizens.
Can you get around the 14th Amendment with executive action?
Now, what Lee shared is a clip, all persons born in the U.S. and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
Those are very important words in our constitution.
All persons born in the U.S., subject to the jurisdiction thereof shall be citizens of the U.S. Those words matter.
And then the senator continued to break it down.
He said, and Congress has the power to define what it means to be born in the U.S. and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
And he's a hundred percent right constitutionally on that issue.
A hundred percent.
Anyway, back to the president.
Um I'll tell you what, why don't we get to our phones in the meantime?
Let's say hello to Sarah in North Carolina.
Sarah, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean.
Um, first of all, y'all, I have to say real fast that you are one good looking man.
Um, and second of all, the reason I Well, hang on, hang on, Linda.
Did you hear that?
I did.
I think I'll make that on a loop for you.
You can hear it every day.
Get your day started right.
Sarah, you just made my day, but I will have to get your glasses fixed.
I feel like remember the scene in my cousin Vinny when an eye witness couldn't see fifty feet away.
Yeah, because the the dirt.
That was well, that guy, and then there was this this elderly woman who had her you know very thick glasses, and how many fingers do I have up?
The judge goes, two.
You know, and he goes, for the witness only, how many fingers do I now have up?
And the lady got it wrong.
Yeah, I remember that.
I love that movie.
Um about what I was calling about today is it occurred to me with all the the talk that's going around about um Biden uh about Joe Biden uh giving Hunter a pardon, it kind of occurred to me that maybe it's not as simple as it seems.
Maybe uh Hunter told his dad, you know, if if you don't get me out of this mess before you're out of office, and I go down, you're going down with me.
What do you think about that?
I think there's gonna be more pardons to come.
I mean, Democrats have been talking about this, and they have a list of people retribution, although Donald Trump said he has no interest in retribution.
He said retr retribution is success.
Correct.
Well, I could hear you.
However, if laws are broken, you got to enforce them.
And I would argue that what we know what what Joe Biden himself has admitted to and the amount of money that he benefited from while he was vice president, uh, I think that it would warrant an investigation.
However, I think that I don't believe Donald Trump has an appetite for it, but it won't be his decision.
It's gonna be Pam Bondi's decision.
It'll be Cash Patel's decision.
But we'll see.
We we have a lot of other work that we got to get done.
There's no doubt about it.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, but hopefully they'll find out the truth and be able to put it out there.
I appreciate the call, Sarah.
Thank you.
Uh Linda, you you remind me of that movie, my cousin Vinny.
Uh, I was I was gonna jump in because he actually says to her, maybe you're ready for a new thickness on your glasses.
That's actually the line that he says to her.
But it's a great the whole movie's fantastic, to be honest with you.
The two ute.
What's a what was the movie he not the movie, the judge was from the monsters?
Oh, yeah.
The monsters.
Yeah, he passed away.
He's such a good actor, by the way.
But it was like it was wild to see him in that.
I mean, what a voice, my God.
And and what do you call this on the windows in the screen?
You can shout it out.
Dirt.
That's right.
That's not it out when you know him.
Shout it out.
Shout out it's shout it out when you know the answers.
And what are these what are these things over here that that obstruct the view to you know the sack of suds?
Oh, the trees.
Very good.
Shout keep shouting them out.
Bushes.
These bushes.
Yeah, bush very good.
So funny.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
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Will she be senator next?
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