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Arizona Defends The Vote - August 26th, Hour 3

Former Attorney General of Arizona, Mark Brnovich, joins us to discuss the news out of Arizona regarding the law requiring voters to provide proof of citizenship will be upheld; as per the ruling by the Supreme Court. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Uh so much in terms of voter integrity issues.
We had a huge Supreme Court decision, did not get much play in the media.
Uh, and it raises a lot of questions.
And in this case, uh, the Supreme Court holding.
I'm not sure what Amy Comey Barrett was on this, but she should she was on the wrong side of it.
Is proof of citizenship should be a requirement.
The oddest, the oddest laws ever in in Arizona, up to this point.
For local elections, you would need proof of citizenship.
And for national elections, you would not.
Now, with the Zerrult of this decision, uh, that wrong has been righted.
Now to get into the DNC, we all needed something called credentials.
What are credentials?
Identification.
To get identification, I had to have a picture ID.
They needed my license.
They needed my passport, I believe, as well.
For me to get my credentials.
They all know who I am.
I've been on TV nearly 30 years.
I've been on radio 34 years.
Uh, every people would see me as I'm entering four separate times before I could get where I needed to go.
I had to show my ID.
Four separate times before I could ultimately make my final destination, which is the studio where Fox was at the United Center.
But if you ask Democrats, they look at voter ID as Jim Crow.
Listen.
Some of those these voter suppression laws in Georgia and other Republican states.
Smack up Jim Crow.
Rearing its ugly head.
Once again.
It is the most pernicious thing.
This makes Jim Crow look like Jim Eagle.
This is gigantic.
what they're trying to do.
A resurgence of Jim Crow style voter suppression measures sweeping across state legislatures.
What we're seeing in Georgia right now and in other states around the country in those 361 restrictive laws that have been imposed is beyond a rainstorm, it is a tsunami threatening democracy.
Parts of our country are backsliding into the days of Jim Crow.
A massive and unabassed assault on voting rights, unlike anything we've ever seen since the Jim Crow era.
This is Jim Cro Crow in new clothes.
Now the irony of all of this is that Kamala Harrison 2019 actually agreed with me.
Now don't forget it wasn't long after Hillary Clinton lost and claimed the election was stolen from her and and that Donald Trump was an illegitimate president, etc.
etcetera.
In other words, there are a lot of election deniers.
Stacey Abrams, uh the Obamas, I think, were part of that group.
I don't remember everybody, but a lot of a lot of election deniers in the Democratic Party.
Nobody seemed to care then.
Uh but Kamala Harris actually said something I once agreed with, and that is she prefers paper ballots.
And why?
Because Russia can't hack a piece of paper.
Listen.
The best and most secure way to conduct elections, paper ballots.
Because the way that I say it, kind of half joking, Russia can't hack a piece of paper.
Anyway, joining us now is the former Arizona uh attorney general, our friend Mark Bernovich is with us, and by the way, as a reminder, uh he did argue the Bernovich v.
DNC at the Supreme Court, which allows states to pass common sense election integrity measures such as limitations on ballot harvesting.
Uh he joins us now.
Sir, how are you?
I'm very good, Sean.
Look, let's start with the basic premise of what we're talking about here today.
I think everyone understands, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, the need for security when we're dealing with anything that's important.
So whether it's your bank account, your personal computer, your cell phone, uh, or in this case elections, I think everyone fundamentally understands the need for security.
The left has created this false choice that you either have to have security or voter turnout.
And the reality is it's not an either or proposition.
And one of the things, you know, you mentioned Bernovich v DNC.
When I argued that case, and we pointed out in our briefs, we literally said the greatest threat to election integrity is the third party handling of ballots and ballot harvesting.
And people were shocked by that, and then we would remind them, I didn't say that.
Jimmy Carter said that in 2004.
So there was a time not that long ago when even the Democrats were concerned about election integrity and securing, you know, passing common sense election laws to secure our elections.
And right now in Arizona, the case you talked about that went up to the U.S. Supreme Court, once again, it seems like common sense to say you've got to show or prove you're a citizen in order to vote an election.
This is what they do in every country in the world.
I mean, even Venezuela has that requirement, right?
But somehow that's become controversial, and you know, the Supreme Court last week did allow part of the law to go into effect that does say um the part about requiring citizenship with registering.
However, one important thing to note, and this is why this is not a total victory, is that the Supreme Court did leave an act a part of the law, or excuse me, the the restriction.
They left the Ninth Circuit said Arizona cannot um pass a law that says you have to prove citizenship to vote in a presidential election.
That part of the statute, the Supreme Court didn't touch.
So theoretically, or not theoretically, in reality, in Arizona, you could still vote in a in the presidential or federal elections without require without showing proof of citizenship.
That part was not put on hold.
Okay.
So it's I mean, it's really unbelievable to me.
Why would there ever be a distinction between a local election and a national election?
Well, there shouldn't be, because right, you know, that if someone were is undermining the integrity of the process, um, you know, that undermines your vote, right?
So everyone should be concerned about this.
But this goes back to a federal statute, and the federal EAC years ago basically said the states couldn't require that, or it's not required to prove citizenship.
So really what has to happen is either Congress needs to pass a law that says you have to prove citizenship even in federal elections, um, or alternatively, the the federal EAC needs to make a decision because it's really an administrative rule.
Once again, this is the power people talk about the administrative administrative state.
You've got this administrative state unelected bureaucrats that basically are putting in provisions, including that states cannot require proof of citizenship.
And because of that, that's why Arizona, states like Arizona, are hand strong on that issue.
I mean, it's pretty amazing.
I I just why why would anybody be against proof of citizenship, voter ID, signature verification, chain of custody controls.
Why would they ever be against updated voter roles, partisan observers watching the voting all day, the vote counting, you know, all night or into the next day or the next day or the next day.
Why does it take so long, also in Arizona to count votes?
Well, you know, as I used to say, or I still say, incompetence isn't a crime, and it's embarrassing as in Arizona, and obviously the attorney, when I was attorney general, we couldn't control the Secretary of State or you know, the county recorder's office.
But yeah, it it is a real puzzle.
They always have an excuse.
When the machines with third nearly 30% of the printers failed in 2022, there's always some incompetence or some mistake, and they don't understand that when people question their competence, um, you know, it doesn't mean they're being attacked.
It means they need to be held responsible.
And yeah, I do not understand why they can count balance quicker in places like you know, Mexico than we can in Maricopa County.
And it is embarrassing, I think, to the world when you have a county that's one of the largest Phoenix, what, the fifth largest city in the country, where the world is watching, there's all this scrutiny over what happened or didn't happen in 2018 and 2020, and yet it takes them weeks to get the final results.
It really is embarrassing.
And if there is a problem with the procedures, then the question is, my goodness, why haven't they changed the procedures in the last six or eight years?
I mean, it's such a you're raising such a good question, right?
Why haven't they changed the procedures?
Because they don't want to change the procedures.
They want the confusion.
I mean, I can only think of nefarious reasons why people wouldn't want to do this.
But anyway, the the look let's go back to the Supreme Court, because this was a partial agreement with the RNC's emergency request to revive this Arizona law that strengthens proof of citizenship requirements, and they've reinstated Arizona's law, mandating officials reject state voter registration forms if the person didn't provide proof of citizenship.
So can you explain to me why the it's only a partial victory?
Right.
Well, because one, the people that have already registered with only federal only ballots are still going to be allowed to vote.
So if this goes forward now, so for the next two months, you're not going to have people, you know, they'll have to show that proof of citizenship.
But if you're already registered, um, the Supreme Court let stand the part of the Ninth Circuit decision that basically said that um they they can still vote in presidential or elections.
So the part of the statute that prohibited um if you didn't prove citizenship voting in presidential election, that part of the uh Ninth Circuit said that was unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court didn't touch that part of it.
So, in sum, in short, basically going forward, yes, you you know, you have to show that that part of the statute showing proof of citizenship to register is in effect.
However, if people have already registered federal only, they can still vote in the federal election.
They can vote for president, U.S. Senator, etc.
All right, quick break.
More with former attorney general of Arizona, Mark Burnovich.
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Former attorney general uh of Arizona, Mark Bernovich is with us.
Why is it I I can't figure out the politics of Arizona?
I really can't, because somebody like yourself wins his elections.
Uh Governor Ducy wins his elections.
I saw that he's supporting President Trump.
And and then yet you, you know, the state ends up going for Biden by just a very tiny margin in 2020.
And then you get Katie Hobbs winning her election, and I'm having a hard time understanding the politics out there.
Can you can you shed some light on it?
Well, Arizona has a strong history of being independent, right?
And and conservative, but not crazy.
And historically, Arizona's have voted for the person, not the party.
And you and I have talked about this online, offline, that when Republicans have good candidates, even good conservative candidates, we win.
People that can stand up and articulate and defend conservative positions.
Let's secure the border.
Let's have economic security, make sure people can afford a house and send their kids to college.
Let's make sure we protect the free enterprise and entrepreneurship and create an environment, no taxes, and low regulation that attract businesses.
When we stand up as Republicans and put make those pitches and those ideas, we win races.
That's quite as simple as that.
And when you have folks focusing on other stuff, tangential stuff, you end up losing it.
It's swinging a state like Arizona.
So Arizona is not blue.
It's not purple.
It's it's actually red, but it's conservative, but the candidates matter.
It's conservative but not crazy.
And so it's really about focusing on those issues because people have shown here, not just recently, but even in the past, they are willing to split the ballot.
The candidates matter.
Let me ask you then where does that put Kamala Harris?
Do you think that most Arizonans are aware of what we've been playing on TV and radio every day?
You know we have the Kamala Files on Hannity.com, and that's her and her own words.
She co-sponsored the Green New Deal in the Senate with Bernie Sanders, co-sponsored Medicare for All, uh and elimination of private health care and no fracking and no drilling.
Uh what about the crazy left part?
Is the are the people of Arizona familiar with how extreme she is?
Well, I have said to you, and I've said to other people, don't sleep on Kamala Harris, and I don't mean that as a pun.
I meant that once she was the nominee, and you've spoken about this on air many a time, the left-wing media, the mainstream media was going to give her a pass, right?
Um and they essentially allowed her to reset.
Like the last three and a half years or her time in the Senate never happened, is that people have amnesia.
So I think it's like a giant race where there are a lot of people that were unfamiliar with her, um, and she's been able to distance herself from the failed border policies, from the failed economic policies, and essentially because the mainstream media has given her a pass, other than you and maybe a few other folks, no one is scrutinizing that record and saying, wait a minute, what about this?
She said this, when she did this.
And so I think as of right now, why you see the numbers tight in Arizona is because people are giving her a fresh look, and if they give her a fresh look, the mainstream media has become enablers, and they're not focusing on the you know, ignore the man behind the curtain, ignore what happened the last three and a half years, ignore her time in the Senate, and they've essentially tried to reinvent her as they did at the Democratic Convention.
So that's what's happening.
So it's like a race is it that too many Californians have abandoned California for Arizona?
She defines herself as some sort of new democrat.
Have too many Californians entered your state.
I will tell you what, Sean.
I tell people all the time that high taxes and lots of regulation don't work where you have it ocean, ain't gonna work in the desert.
So yes, don't californicate Arizona is my motto.
Well, then I I mean I I can't understand if people leave California for all the reasons that we're discussing, why would they move to Arizona and ruin that state?
I don't know.
I I think there are a lot of people that are economic refugees or you know, refugees from what California's done, but at the same time, you have people that you know have a lot of equity in their houses, they cash out and they move to places here, and you know, they they forget what uh a breadbasket um California's become with the homelessness in places like Los Angeles and San Francisco with a ramp in crime.
My goodness, my chief of staff was just in San Francisco, and the rent a car company told them do not lock your cars, do not lock anything because someone's gonna break it and steal it, so you don't want to be responsible for images when they steal stuff.
It's just like crazy.
Who can live like that?
I mean, that's that's that's insane.
But I I've got to run, I'm just out of time.
Uh former Arizona AG Mark Vernavidge is with us, sir.
Thank you.
We'll be checking in throughout the election, sir.
Appreciate it.
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While I was in uh Chicago, I did get time to interview my old pal James Carvel.
Now, look, uh when I when I first got him to say that, you know, I was talking about tampon Tim and him wanting to put feminine hygiene uh products and boys' bathrooms in school, you know, James's answer.
It really didn't shock me because I know James all these years.
I don't care if they put it everywhere.
I don't care if they put it in the damn cafeteria.
I mean, it's just funny.
I didn't expect to change his mind.
I didn't expect that he would do anything other than defend all things Kamala Harris and Tim Walls, but it doesn't matter how radical, extreme, and dangerous the left is.
And I and i it democrats are gonna defend it.
And when I brought up that it was his president, Bill Clinton that said that abortion should be legal and rare.
Uh he you know, he he didn't really want to acknowledge it.
Or the era of big government is over, the end of welfare as we know it.
Anyway, here's part of the interview, just for pure entertainment purposes, but I think it's also revealing that this this party is no longer the party of even Clinton anymore.
Clinton's a moderate compared to Kamala Harris.
James, we have we have now identified because of Harris and Biden open borders, uh hundreds of uh people with known terror ties in this country.
We have tens and tens of thousands from China, Russia, they're coming from Iran, they're coming from Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan, and Venezuela.
Is that not a uh a national security danger to this country?
Because I see it.
Well well, first of all, uh it is well documented that uh immigrants uh uh have much lower comrades than Native Arnold Americans.
The second thing I would say, I completely agree.
These are human beings.
They're members of the human race, all right?
And they should not be denied health care.
Now, if you have a a woman takes a 10-year-old or six-year-old and walks 500 miles to get in this country from Guatemala because she's being overrun by drug gangs, do I think this woman should be admitted in her children as citizens?
Heck yeah.
Come in, come in, girl, we got a job for you.
Why don't why can't you why why can't they go through the legal thing?
Wait a minute, but James, why can't they just do it legally?
We can vet them.
Do you really believe that people coming from Iran, Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan, China, and Russia?
Do you think they're coming here because they want a better life?
Is that what you really believe?
You know, Sean, I I I I certainly you have laws.
I don't I don't believe we should deny any human being health care if you show up at the emergency room.
I think uh the Hippocratic oath compels you, and I think being a Catholic compels me to say this person is entitled to health care is entitled to basic human rights.
Should we have a border?
Yes, we should have a border.
But you know, and maybe we we need fences and but we need big gates, and I will say this to my dying day.
I would rather live in a country that people are trying to get into than live in a country that people are trying to get out of.
I just do.
But the reality, we have never had un uh illegal immigration at this level, and I believe it's a clear and present danger for you, for your family, for your children, and we're rewarding that illegal uh immigration behavior, and it's have wreaking havoc.
What do you say to Lake and Riley's family?
What do you say to Rachel Moore and the mother of Five's family?
What do you say to Jocelyn Nungarry's family?
I interviewed her mom and her granddad on my program right here.
And they lost their 12-year-old little girl in Houston, and it was killed by one of Harris and and Biden's unvetted illegal immigrants.
What do you say to them, James?
You love your children?
Uh I don't know.
I would have I would have great difficulties.
Anyone have great difficulty telling the parents and involved the how are your children slaughtered with with a legal weapon that no one has any need to have.
Do you change the same thing to the people in Buffalo?
We have to be terror the border.
If you if the the border had nothing to do with evolve.
The border.
The border had nothing to do with okay.
Again, the boarding had nothing to do with this.
Please fact-check me.
Please fact-check me.
The border had nothing to do with these mass shootings with these AR-15s.
We all have difficult questions that we have to ask.
Anybody can say that.
We can sit in the in in the peanut gallery and throw peanuts.
But I I and I do think we can have I think border crossings right now are about the same as they were when when when President Biden took office.
Was that uh I think ineffective boarding policy at one time, yes, because they did what I said you showed me saying at the beginning of the show.
When you listen to these quote, identity progressive left wingers, it's always gonna lead it always leads to bad policy.
But right now, uh when you look at the Senator Langford and Senator Murphy's plan, that was negotiated, and Donald Trump killed it.
That's a fact.
That y'all can fact check it out.
Donald Trump killed the plan.
That that That plan, to be clear, would not have been implemented unless a few million people crossed the border on any given day, and then it would be discretionary.
They would not even implement the plan.
That's not a border security plan.
Let me ask you this.
Okay.
Okay.
So you're supporting Harrison Walls.
Tell me why.
Tell me I want you to answer two questions.
I want you to answer is America better off than it was four years ago, number one.
Number two, I want you to tell me specifically.
No distractions, no obfuscations.
What has Kamala Harris done as vice president that warrants a promotion?
Well, let me say this.
It's demonstratively better off than it was four years ago.
Look at employment rate four years ago.
Look at the stock market four years ago.
Look at the crime rate four years ago.
Are you kidding me?
You're up to when Joe Biden uh again, I I'll let you ask me questions, please let me answer questions.
Okay.
I'm I'm giving you very specific metrics to look at.
And if you ask me, is the country better off today than it was four years ago?
My answer is heck yeah.
All right.
Period, end of story, that's James Carville's view.
All right.
So if if are there things that we need to work on?
I think by the way, the crime rates drop in almost to his historic levels.
And I keep hearing Trump talking about rising crime.
I don't know what he's talking about.
I hear people talk about these urban hell hoes, and I'm sitting here in Chicago, and tell you the truth, it's a pretty damn nice city.
It's James, 30 people 30 30 people were shot this week and five are dead.
Uh not exactly safe.
And I have scrolled the names of people shot, shot, and killed in the city.
Let me ask you a couple of I think what are very extreme positions of of Kamala Harris.
Do you do you think it's a good idea when she says to ban fracking and drilling?
Do you think that's good for our economy to do that?
I don't.
All right.
I got one concession of it.
Fracking is a transition thing, and I don't think she has that position today.
And I think human beings evolve, and I think they have experience, and I know there are many things that I thought, for instance, in 2008, I was pointing out uh President Obama and Secretary Clinton were against gay marriage.
Well, you know what?
They're not anymore.
Good for them.
All right.
And when somebody evolves from a position to a better position, I'll give them credit.
We should eliminate private health insurance because Tamala thinks that she wants Medicare for all, universal health care.
Uh you know, you and I are getting a little bit older.
I'd actually like to keep my health care.
Uh she says we should eliminate private insurance.
Here's what she said.
You support uh the Medicare for All bill, I think initially co-sponsored by Senator Bertie Sanders.
You're also a co-sponder on to it.
I believe it will totally eliminate private insurance.
Um for people out there who like their insurance, what they don't get to keep it.
Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care.
And you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require.
Who of us has has not had that situation where you got to wait for approval and the doctor says, Well, I don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this.
Let's eliminate all of that.
Let's move on.
I I thought she and Walls were running as the Freedom Party.
I'd like the freedom to get my own health care, and I think you'd probably like yours too.
Well, I don't I don't think we should eliminate private health care.
I've never thought better care for it was a good idea.
I I disagree with it.
Just I disagree with Donald Trump that people who serve in armed forces are fools.
I don't agree with that.
I think Bel Obama winners or held a more steam pro place in the United States than people who won the Medal of Freedom.
So you never get somebody that you're going to agree with on every point.
But what she has, her position is evolved.
So am I going to say that she was wrong four or five years ago?
Yeah, maybe she was.
And if she held the same position today, I would be happy to come on your show and say, although I'm voting for Vice President Harris, I profoundly disagree with him, her position on private insurance.
I do not think that is a current position.
Do you do you think that's a little out of the mainstream to not say radical Islamic terrorism or illegal aliens?
Uh who attacked us on 9-11.
Well, who's entering our country?
Well, let me let me uh who well, okay, let's back up.
In the last shootings in Buffalo in Martin Sonham Douglas, the people at the guy that shot at uh be afraid President Donald Trump, all of these shootings have something in common.
They're all by white males who could get an assault weapon.
I'd rather use the term radical terrorists.
I I I would prefer to leave the term Islamic out of it because there's so many, many good people who follow the religion of Islam, and I wouldn't want to do anything that would bring any of the things that we're talking about.
But the word radical delineation.
The word radical delineation.
I would just say Muslims and radical Islamists.
That's very clear.
But that's that's whether I would call someone, I don't think it I don't think any human being is an illegal illegal.
But I do think you should you should have border laws.
I wouldn't mind saying that they're undocumented.
But I just wouldn't call another human being an alien.
That that's just maybe that's the Catholic in me.
I I don't know.
But I I don't like the term alien applied to another human being.
And I will disagree with you vehemently and friendly on one thing.
I think offering tampons to students is one of the best ideas I've ever heard.
You know, Utah.
To boys have to boys in the bathroom to boys bathroom.
It had nothing to do with the boys in the bathroom.
And actually, James, they changed the language.
It doesn't matter.
They changed the language.
You know what?
It it doesn't matter.
There should be young, young, young people who are going through embarrassing enough to be a young girl to have to go through this.
I am wholeheartedly for that.
I don't care if they put it in the library wherever they put it.
You want to know in the library?
I'm really, I'm really for it.
Yes, I'm not sure.
But you're a good but wait, but you're a marry a good parent.
You love your kids.
Would you want gender affirming care without you being consultant?
I I don't I would I uh we'll make those decisions.
I don't think really think about that very often.
Uh I think that Governor Whoads is a patriot.
I think he's a soldier, I think he's a football coach, he's a hunter.
He's done some tremendous things, and if we're gonna sit here and nitpick every little thing he did.
Nitpick and this and that, and I'm very I'm very comfortable with tampons being offered free to students in school.
I'm I'm totally 100%.
All right, so let's not belabor the point.
You're okay with it in boys' bathrooms, you have no problem with it.
Gender affirming care.
Put it in the cafeteria for all I care.
All right, that was some of the time I spent with James Carbo when I was in uh Chicago.
That was before Linda Ader hot dog, uh, which went viral on Hannity.com.
It's still up there if you've missed the if you missed the video, you get to see the whole hot dog getting woofed down.
It was the little you loved it, right, Linda?
That seems a little bit aggressive.
I don't know if I would use the adjective woofing.
I would say it was a slow, leisurely, enjoyable process.
And I think Chicago.
And then how do you say the Chicago hot dog leisurely?
Uh God.
You know, homage.
Uh, but I I I give you credit.
You gave you said you were sh pleasantly surprised.
I really liked it.
And you gave it a 10 out of 10.
You I mean, you would have another one probably voluntarily if we went back, wouldn't you?
I would, but I'd have to have it with Big Mike.
Okay.
Big Mike is one of us of uh one of our uh security guys.
38-year veteran of the Chicago police department, that guy sauce of the air.
Oh, big mic, the footy big mic, not our big yeah, footy big mic.
Oh gosh, he he sent me home.
We know multiple big mics.
Really?
Yeah, we we have big Mike that uh is part of Fox Security.
Uh oh, that's true.
We do have our own big mic.
You're right.
That's a fair point.
Well, this was Mike from Chicago PD.
Oh, he sent me home with poppy seed, hot dog buns, and uh and the best hot dogs in Chicago.
I I mean a whole case of them.
Yeah, we had to go through TS.
I did not this weekend.
No, I mean I kind of got hot dog doubt.
Yeah, I guess that's possible.
But I think that's a good thing.
Exactly.
That's gonna wrap things up for today.
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