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Delta Defense - July 16th, Hour 2
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Hour two, Sean Hannity Show, 800-941.
Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, the other breaking news today, as we continue from Milwaukee, we're in Wisconsin, is Senator Menendez, New Jersey, guilty in his corruption case.
And now calls are getting loud for him to resign.
He was already planning on only running as an independent, not as a Democrat in New Jersey.
And it's getting more interesting by the minute.
Anyway, here to talk about that and a lot more.
He wrote this great column yesterday.
We had not spent enough time on Eileen Cannon's historic, frankly, ruling as it relates to the Trump document case down in Florida and the outright dismissal of Jack Smith due to the appointment clause of our Constitution.
Our very good friend Greg Jarrett is with us, Fox News contributor and friend of the program, legal analyst and best-selling author, sir.
Welcome back.
Good to be with you.
I'm relieved that a Manhattan jury did the right thing.
It was an easy choice.
Bob Menendez was deadbank guilty of bribery and corruption and extortion, conspiracy.
I mean, 18 different counts, guilty on all of them.
I mean, the evidence was so compelling and overwhelming and visual, Sean.
Gold bars, tens of I love the, I don't know what I like more, the gold bars or the Mercedes.
I mean, pretty.
Wow.
Everyone has gold bars that they didn't pay for in their house inside of their suit pocket, right?
Yeah, and the cash stuffed in shoes and pockets everywhere and a huge bag of cash.
And, you know, he tried to pull a Fonnie Willis.
You know, remember when she said, oh, yeah, I only deal with cash.
That's how I reimburse my lover because it's a cultural thing.
So Menendez tried to pull the same, oh, that's a Cuban thing to, you know, keep your money in cash.
Nonsense.
Jurors are not stupid.
And, you know, there was so much other evidence that he was demanding benefits and cash and gold bars in exchange for taking official action as a powerful member of the U.S. Senate chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.
This is so typical of Menendez.
And, you know, the normal person, when you get away with it the first time with an acquittal, you know, they knock it off.
No, it only emboldened and incentivized Goldbar Bob to do it even more and do it blatantly.
He thought he was above the law.
It really did.
I thought it was a slam dunk, too.
And however, he had previously been charged and gotten away with it.
In that case, Abby Lowe represented him.
I think he was part of the defense, but he was not the lead counsel, was he?
No, he wasn't.
And I sort of know Abby, known him for years.
Abby's a real attorney.
I mean, you can't say anything.
I mean, he's good at what he does, period.
But his involvement probably helped, but him not leading it didn't help.
Yeah, but even Abby, as good as he is, could not pull the rabbit out of the hat on this one.
It really was a slam duck.
So Menendez is finished.
You know, he should resign or be expelled immediately.
Of course, he lost in the primary.
He's going to end up behind bars probably for the rest of his life.
He's 70 years old.
Unbelievable.
Let me go.
Yesterday on this program, I did quote your article that you put out on FoxNews.com, which was amazing, actually.
A great analysis of Judge Eileen Cannon ruling that the appointment of the special counsel was, in fact, unconstitutional.
And, you know, this has come up, for example, even in the Mueller case.
We've had other special counsels before.
And this really goes down to the appointments clause in our Constitution, which is very clear, which provides for the exclusive means for selecting all officers of the U.S., and they must be appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate.
And that didn't happen here.
And now this should probably impact, although I wouldn't expect the judge in D.C. to actually follow the Constitution.
That's my own personal view.
But she should be following that case, this case, and following the lead of this Florida judge, who I think very courageously made the right constitutional and legal decision.
Yeah, Cannon's ruling in Florida is not binding on the federal judge in D.C., Tanya Chutkin, who's already made it abundantly clear she's not going to toss the case on the same grounds.
But that prosecution, Sean, is already stalled by the two recent Supreme Court decisions over the immunity issue, the improper use of an obstruction statute.
So she may issue a ruling exactly the opposite of Cannon, which means it probably then goes to the U.S. Supreme Court because when you have two competing decisions in different jurisdictions over an important issue like this,
inevitably it winds its way to the U.S. Supreme Court, where I think it will, Cannon's decision will receive a friendly greeting from the likes of Clarence Thomas and Samuel Lito and others on the court.
You know, and you pointed out in your piece that while special counsels have operated without specific legislative consent, when you go back, you look at Patrick Fitzgerald, he went after Scooter Libby, and that was during the Bush administration, or Robert Mueller, and this appointments clause came up.
I remember asking you about it at the time.
Right.
Or John Durham or David Weiss or Robert Herr, for example, all of which had been presidentially appointed and Senate approved in prior positions.
Now, I think it's got to be specific to a particular case.
I would make that argument myself.
You know the law better than I do.
But in the case of Jack Smith, he never had such an appointment as these other people did.
It's true.
He was a private citizen.
You know, for a nanosecond, he was an acting U.S. attorney, just a fill-in for a couple of months.
But he was never appointed by the president for any official position.
And, you know, he was never Senate confirmed.
And therein, you know, was the difficulty for Jack Smith and Merrick Garland.
Look, Merrick Garland picked Smith knowing that Smith would never be Senate approved because he had this shameful, notorious track record of manipulating the law in other cases to bring politically driven prosecutions.
That's exactly the kind of guy that Merrick Garland wanted.
So he had a quandary here.
What am I going to do?
Well, I'll circumvent the Constitution to target Trump with manufactured charges.
And I will, without authority, name Smith as my ruthless mob enforcer, which is exactly what happened.
But, you know, they got caught by a judge who scrutinized what both of them did and said, under the Constitution, you can't do this.
Yeah, amazing.
You talk about our framers.
We don't give enough attention, in my view, to our framers and the role that they gave Congress in this appointment role of principal and inferior officers.
And you rightly point out that role can't be usurped by the executive branch.
And the DOJ falls under the executive branch.
This is Joe Biden's Department of Justice, which we both believe is weaponized.
Yeah, absolutely.
And there is Supreme Court support for that.
You'll find it in Cannon's opinion.
The Edmonds case, the Buckley case, and she quotes from them that the appointments clause is not a matter of etiquette or protocol.
It's a significant structural safeguard of the Constitution, and you've got to follow it.
So, you know, I think this was a 93-page, well-reasoned, beautifully written decision.
But she was aided in great part, and credit is due to Edwin Meese and Michael McCasey, two distinguished former U.S. Attorneys General who wrote an amicus brief, Friend of the Court, and laid out exactly the position that Judge Cannon eventually adopted.
All right, quick break.
We'll come right back.
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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, more with Greg Jarrett and your call straight ahead as we continue.
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All right, we continue with Greg Jarrett.
Then your call's coming up straight ahead as we continue from Milwaukee.
We are in Wisconsin.
Let me ask you, let's go back to the Supreme Court decision as it relates to the president and official duties.
And let's apply this to the delayed sentencing now in the case of the 34 counts of New York and Judge Mershawn.
Because evidence introduced in that case leading to the, quote, 34 convictions, we have been very critical of the whole process.
But I want to specifically deal with the idea that evidence in that case that the jury considered was evidence from the time in which Donald Trump was president.
That to me means that that entire case, those decisions, it needs to be vacated.
And I don't think Judge Mershawn's going to do it.
I mean, he has shown himself to be abusively biased towards Donald Trump.
Yeah, absolutely.
There is a motion pending.
It was filed literally days ago.
I read it over and over again.
It makes a persuasive, compelling argument that because so much of the evidence and testimony was arguably covered by official acts and therefore immune, there is no choice but the trial court judge should vacate the verdicts and dismiss the case.
Assuming he doesn't and sentencing moves forward in September, I forget the date, I think it was September 20 something, whatever it was.
25th.
Okay, so assuming that the sentencing moves forward, then there will be an instant appeal on that issue.
But, I mean, this judge could remand Donald Trump to jail in that moment.
The New York law does not support jail time for these kinds of people.
And tell me with this judge why that would matter.
Yeah, well, I mean, your point is an excellent one.
It's always, he doesn't care.
Look, I think what will happen is the judge has to rule before the sentencing on the pending motion to dismiss the case for the reasons you and I just discussed.
I guarantee you that Trump's lawyers are already in the process of preparing a petition for an injunction by the appellate court to intervene.
And should that fail, they'll also go directly to the United States Supreme Court or a federal district court because the due process violations here are so obvious and egregious in this case.
So I don't even see the sentencing happening on September 25th.
There could be an injunction if Mershon denies the motion.
So what would be the timing of the appeal process?
Because, you know, if you look at the case of Ngoron, I think the appellate court in New York five separate times overruled the judge Ngoran on that particular case.
The idea that Mar-a-Lago, his valuation of it at $18 million, you know, was maintained all throughout that civil trial was unbelievable to me.
And because we know any rudimentary perusal of real estate in Palm Beach, Florida, you know, I'm a resident now of Florida, that, in fact, you would see that that's a billion-dollar property or close to it or maybe more.
I don't know exactly.
But you can buy an empty lot, two acres on the ocean alone, $200 million.
Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is so insane to the point of being laughable.
You know, Ngoran already decided Trump's fate before the trial even began and witnesses took the stand.
He found him guilty of fraud.
This has got to be the first case.
Oh, this is like summary judgment.
No need for a jury.
We're done.
I rule against Trump.
The rest of it was just a charade.
I don't think I've ever seen a case in which somebody's been found guilty of fraud where no one was defrauded.
There was no victim in this case.
The people that he allegedly defrauded, the banks, are you kidding me?
We made loads of money.
We weren't defrauded.
We did our own due diligence and found that the approximations of values were roughly consistent.
And so there was no fraud here.
So, you know, this case will not withstand judicial scrutiny from higher courts.
But in the interim, of course, Democrats thought, Letitia James thought, I'll do damage to Donald Trump.
All of this, lawfare, all of the cases have backfired spectacularly.
Greg Jarrett, we appreciate it.
As always, the Greg Jarrett, the podcast, don't miss that as well.
And, of course, on Fox News all the time, pretty much quite often.
Great piece, FoxNews.com.
Greg Jarrett, thank you, sir.
Appreciate you being with us.
Thanks.
All right, as we continue, we are at the RNC.
We are in Milwaukee.
Thank you for being with us.
We got a great show tonight, 9 Eastern, Hannity, Fox News.
I don't think I've been any more angry.
I don't think I've been any more disgusted.
I was saying when I saw Saturday unfold, I literally, my first thought was they just killed him.
And my heart sunk, and I got choked up.
And this is somebody I've known for 30 years.
And something that I worried about for a long time because things are heated in the country.
And of course, you had President Joe, Mr. Lowered the Temperature, you know, five days earlier talking about putting Trump in the bullseye.
And anyway, it just, it's been that bad for this man.
And I just felt like they so dehumanized him that there was always this possibility, God forbid, for any elected official.
But in this case, so dehumanized him that somebody would think they're doing God's work if they took him out.
And I saw this, and I saw him go down, and then I saw the blood, and I said, I thought there was a bullet in his head for sure.
I mean, a millimeter, if he didn't turn his head, we'd be talking about a state funeral today.
And we wouldn't be in Milwaukee.
This convention would have been delayed.
And what has infuriated me is now what is coming out.
There's nothing that they can hide.
The Secret Service agents around Donald Trump were phenomenal.
They did what they're hired to do.
They put their bodies on top of his, and they were willing to risk their lives to save his life in the end after the shooting began.
The fact that we now know from 130 or so yards that there was an assassin on a roof, and now we have the words of the head of the U.S. Secret Service, Kim Cheadle, saying that the buck stops with me, but I do plan to stay on.
This woman is not qualified to stay on.
And then when I play the next clip, I promise all of you, and I played it earlier, I'm going to play it again, you will be extremely and rightly so angry.
Listen.
What was your reaction when you saw the events unfold on Saturday?
Shock and then concern, obviously, for the former president.
This is an event that should have never happened.
Who is most responsible for this happening?
What I would say is that the Secret Service is responsible for the protection of the former president.
So the buck stops with you?
The buck stops with me.
I am the director of the Secret Service.
It was unacceptable, and it's something that shouldn't happen again.
The President and Homeland Security Secretary said today they had 100% confidence in you, but there are some members of Congress calling on you to resign.
I appreciate the Secretary's comments, and we're going to continue to be transparent and communicate with people.
You plan to stay on?
Absolutely.
I do plan to stay on.
I do plan to stay on.
How can you admit that you were responsible?
Now, this is where it gets really infuriating, because she's talking about the U.S. Secret Service from 130 yards away.
They didn't put agents on the rooftop where this assassin shot Donald Trump for health and safety reasons.
Wow.
Wow.
Listen to this.
Should that roof have been secure, period?
That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point.
And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof.
And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building from inside.
Secure the building from the inside.
All right, let me seed some ground that I don't think I should.
But let's say, okay, it wasn't as safe for the agents to be on the roof.
How about they surround the perimeter of the building and watch the roof and have sniper fire on the roof so that nobody else can go on the sloped roof, and then you would have protected the president.
It's not that complicated.
If you cared enough, that is basic, rudimentary, fundamental, 101, common sense.
And if that is your role and responsibility, you have an obligation to make sure any former president, any president, any presidential candidate, any elected official, any family member is safe and secure at all times.
There's no excuse at all whatsoever for this colossal error that came within a millimeter of assassinating Donald Trump.
There's just no excuse at all.
Anyway, joining us now is Tim Schmidt.
He's the CEO, co-founder of our friends and partners at Delta Defense and a Wisconsin-based company.
They're right here at the RNC doing their best to get the word out.
When you heard those words of the head of the U.S. Secret Service, were you as angry as I am?
Oh, Sean, I was mortified, and yes, extremely angry.
I can't believe that she said that.
I can't believe that she won't step down.
It's just simply hard to believe, especially over a sloped roof.
You know, I know the USCCA partnered with the former head of the FBI for training at Quantico.
And when I had an opportunity to sit down with all of you and meet with all of you, and if you remember, I kind of dialed in to his work and his career and his profession and what he does every day, and that is to train the most elite law enforcement agency in the world, in the country.
And the amount of training that goes in to becoming a special agent for the FBI is so extensive and exhaustive.
I can't even imagine how something like this fundamental, basic, rudimentary, can happen.
And did you get any reaction?
So you're talking about Rob Chadwick, the former head of tactical training at Quantico.
I haven't talked to him directly yet.
He's sent a few messages out to the entire staff at USCCA, essentially giving similar commentary to you as to the travesty of this.
And yes, it's just simply hard to believe.
And I'm thanking my lucky stars that the bullet missed.
So that's good news.
You know, I just got to imagine that, you know, simple, basic, fundamental common sense.
You know, one of the things that I'm proud of in my association with your organization now for nine years is the fact that you guys really do care about training.
And a lot of people don't know.
And you know that I train mixed martial arts.
My sensei's in this room right now.
And, you know, we train every day.
And he beats the crap out of me, to be very honest.
And I've gotten strong and I've gotten tough, but we do situational self-defense.
And it is, you know, a daily training exercise.
You know, we have this line he uses.
I'm just a mere student of the arts.
He's a master, is keeping it real and putting me in situations where I've got to react and I've got to react automatically and there's no thinking involved by the time I react.
It's over.
Whatever it is is over before I ever get a chance to even think about it.
And why didn't that happen here?
This is so basic.
Yeah, it's hard to answer that question.
But you're right, though, Sean.
There is no time to think about it.
And I mean, we have over 825,000 members here at the USCCA.
And our number one thing that we focus on is education and training.
Because if you're properly understanding of what could happen and if you train for that, then you don't have to worry about the aftermath.
And I mean, I'm not sure if you know this.
We have over 10,000 instructors all across the country.
We are the fastest-growing pro-Second Amendment self-defense organization.
And for this to happen so close to the RNC Republican National Committee in Milwaukee, it just really hits close to home.
It really did.
And seeing Donald Trump last night and seeing that bandage on his head, I mean, wow, it just brings home how close we came to a former president being assassinated.
It's so scary.
And in this day and age of no bail laws and reimagining and defunding and dismantling the police, I mean, it's scary out there.
And then people have to now put security, you know, take the responsibility for it themselves.
And that makes it even doubly hard.
Yeah, and Sean, that's such a great point.
That's another one of our main messages is that, you know, as a responsible American, you have to be your family's first line of defense.
I mean, yes, the police are often there to clean up the mess.
And I'm very grateful for our servants in blue, the cops.
But boy, I'll tell you what, nine times out of ten, you've got to be your first land of defense.
And again, that's what we teach our over 800,000 members.
We really appreciate you, Tim Schmidt, CEO, co-founder, Delta Defense.
You're a good man.
My best to Rob and everybody on your team.
You have a great team over there.
And, you know, defendfamily.com, if you want to get a lot of information, they have over 8,000 sites where they're affiliated with for situational self-defense as well, if you're looking for it in your own life.
And I highly recommend it for everybody.
These are kind of dangerous times.
Small towns, big cities, all across the country.
Appreciate it.
Quick break.
We'll come right back.
We'll hit the phones.
Toll-free as we continue from Milwaukee, 800-9401, Sean, our number as we roll along.
Information Overload.
Let's get to our busy phones.
800-941 Sean is our number.
Let's go to Al, and he's holding down the Fort for Me in the free state of Florida.
Al, how are you?
Welcome to Milwaukee, sir.
Hi, Sean.
Great to talk to you.
It's great to talk to you.
What's going on?
Well, I just have something that's really bothering me, Sean.
When do we organize a January 6th committee?
When do the Republicans step forward?
We should have a lawsuit against Biden, Mayorkas, all of these guys, the judge.
You know, when do we go after them the way they've gone after Donald Trump for seven years, eight years?
Well, let me tell you what the difference is.
And in the past, I've not stated this or articulated this well enough, and people misunderstood me.
No, we're not going to go after them for superfluous reasons or made-up charges.
However, you know, as it relates to the weaponization of our Justice Department, how it relates, for example, to the 574 riots in the summer of 2020 that they lied to us and said were mostly peaceful,
how it relates to Joe Biden firing a prosecutor and the net result of it after leveraging a billion taxpayer dollars was that his completely inexperienced son, addicted to drugs at the time, gets paid millions, has a laptop that we know 51 former Intel agents knew nothing about, but they lied to us about in the weeks leading up to the election in 2020 that implicates his own father.
All of that is legitimate investigation.
It's not made up.
That is what Republicans stand for.
I don't want lawfare.
I don't want made-up charges.
All I want is equal application of our laws.
All I want is equal justice under the law.
Does that make sense?
I'm hopefully saying it better than I have in the past.
It makes sense the way you explain it.
The problem is, how do you get equal justice unless you go after this?
You have to win an election.
And then you have legitimate investigations on real allegations of real impropriety and potentially real crimes.
That's how you do it.
You don't make up a legal NDA.
Statute of limitations ran out.
And from eight years ago, that legal NDA negotiated by a lawyer, labeled as a legal defense, not taken as a tax deduction.
And how does that evolve into 34 felony charges with a judge that had nothing but an abusively biased attitude towards Donald Trump the whole trial in a venue where Donald Trump was never going to get a fair trial?
I said that from the beginning.
He can't get a fair trial in New York, D.C., or Fulton County, Georgia.
Looks like all of it's going to go away, but you get my point.
Is that going to go away?
Is this judge going to...
Whether the judge does it or not, there's no way this stands on appeal.
If I were a betting man, and I bet little bets, not big bets, I will tell you it's all going away.
Yes, I believe that.
Oh, well, I think that the Democrats probably figured if they lose this, it's all going to go away anyway.
But, you know, it's a shame what they've done to this man.
I mean, it's been just torture on all of us.
Just watch what they're doing to him.
It's been torture.
And what's amazing is his fortitude and his strength.
That's him standing up after getting shot and putting his fist in the air and saying, fight, fight.
And then fake news, CNN, and fake CBS criticize him.
Well, he said fight.
Well, what did you want him to say?
I surrender, shoot me again?
I mean, it's pathetic.
Don't ever trust the media again.
They've known that Joe's cognitively compromised as long as I have, and they've covered it up and they lied.
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