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And I don't know what to what to make of this circus out of New York.
Look, I don't like to be polyannish about anything.
And we now have cross-examination has been gone begun, and I'll give you some details of what's been coming out.
One thing that has come out already is, oh yeah, he wants Donald Trump in jail.
Oh, he wants Donald Trump convicted.
Uh oh, yeah, he but I enjoyed my time working for Donald Trump.
Uh, and oh yeah, all these all these materials, by the way that they they had uh that he has for sale and and his his TikTok video asking for gifts, etc.
etc.
Oh, that that's that's all perfectly fine.
No gag order on Michael Cohn at all in any way whatsoever.
It's pretty unbelievable because this is now their star witness.
This is the guy Donald Trump stuck at a New York courtroom as this this political show trial sham trial, you know, continues.
You have these phantom charges that have been cooked up by Democrat Alvin Bragg.
He ran on a platform to destroy Donald Trump.
You know, the case in reality was a misdemeanor, you know, uh in in terms of a document labeling allegation that that never actually met the the smell test in any way, shape, matter, or form either.
Just putting that aside.
You know, if you look at the actual statute of the law 17152, that would be falsification of a business record.
And one thing they haven't been able to do is is meet the standard, even though the statute of limitations again ran out, they would need to show that Donald Trump intended to do so.
And by the way, when Donald Trump pays his lawyer in in 2018 or whatever he paid or 2017 after the election, uh it was booked as a legal expense.
Really?
When you pay your lawyer who was involved in a legal NDA and it's referred to as a legal expense.
Oh, okay, that that means that that wouldn't be necessarily the wrong thing to do because actually NDAs like this are actually fairly common.
More common than most people actually know.
You know, by the way, it's not even clear why paying a lawyer a lump sum of money for services and costs, including an NDA agreement that was not a legal expense.
They they've never met that standard.
But then you have this nebulous novel application of a law that again hasn't even been really specified to the defense, although I thought in America that every defendant would know what they're actually being charged with as the case now is entering its what, it's in its fourth week.
You know, they would have an opportunity to defend themselves, but they don't even know what to defending themselves with.
But then they would have to, you know, show that, well, the intent was to falsify records with the intent to break election laws, which the Department of Justice themselves, even as weaponized as it is under Joe Biden, decided, yeah, it didn't meet the criteria to bring forward a charge against Donald Trump.
And his predecessor didn't think this met the standard either.
Sivance.
And in the beginning, Alvin Bragg didn't think so until he was embarrassed by two prosecutors that very publicly ended up pulling out of the case.
But now we got now we got the star witness in the courtroom.
Donald Trump not on the campaign trail.
You know, the reality of this case is you got a misdemeanor document labeling allegation from nearly a what 2015, 16, 2016.
Upcharged to a felony because of this unexplained federal election crime that was never prosecuted on the federal level, and Democrats obviously using the system of justice.
This is what a weaponized DOJ of Joe Biden looks like.
This is not equal justice under the law.
This is not equal application of our laws.
I mean, this is a travesty of justice.
And I'll tell you, if you go back and think about this, when was Bill what what Happened the day that Bill Clinton was impeached.
Remember his poll numbers were quite high.
If you look at everything these radical Democrats, radical media mob people that they have thrown at Donald J. Trump, starting with three long years of Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.
Not one but two impeachments.
You know, stormy, stormy, stormy, and it goes on and on and on.
And January 6th, prime time hearings, but we'll we're not going to show the American people that many of you will peacefully patriotically march so your voices will be heard.
We're not going to hear from the Capitol Police Chief Sund, who was begging for the National Guard but was declined every time he asked.
They're not going to hear from the five people in the days leading up to January 6th.
They're not going to hear from those people that heard Donald Trump approved up to 10,000 guard troops in case anything were were to happen that day with large crowds going to the nation's Capitol.
Wow, that sounds like the move of somebody with an insurrection.
So the American people have gotten hip to the injustice around all of this.
And now you have an you know this this ridiculous case brought to brought and the star witness in this case is a Trump hater by the name of Michael Cohn.
I mean, you just don't get any more biased or corrupt than this.
Disbarred lawyer, Trump hater, just admitted on the stand.
He hates Trump, wants him convicted, released from prison, multi-year sentence, tax evasion, bank fraud, variety of other crimes, convicted of lying to Congress after lying under oath, is now facing more allegations of lying to Congress, recently referred to Biden's weaponized DOJ, but well, if Donald Trump became president, I don't think the statute of limitations have run out.
He might have a lot to lose if Donald Trump's not convicted here and gets elected president as the 47th president of the United States.
A guy all over TikTok looking for gifts, wearing t-shirts showing Donald Trump behind bars and worse.
You know, even even fake news CNN, they they cannot believe this is happening.
We played yesterday, Farid Zakaria saying if his last name wasn't Trump, this case would not exist.
And here's CNN, this guy Eli Honig, let me play this for you.
you know just shocked that the prosecution would ask a jury to believe anything that michael cone has to say but they are this happening you know it's been happening the last day and a half listen here's what makes michael cohen so unusual so unique i've never seen a witness with bigger credibility problems than michael cohen i've definitely seen witnesses i've definitely used witnesses who've done way worse things than michael cohen
But I've never seen a witness who's lied to Congress, who's lied in court, who's lied to the IRS, who's lied to the Southern District of New York, who lied to his banker.
You know, the entire prosecution witness team has been lied to by Michael Cohen.
Oh.
Jonathan Turley writing Mr. Fix It, Michael Cohn bombed on the stand, offering no new evidence to convict Trump.
And then he pointed out something.
I had not seen this.
I don't know how I missed it yesterday, but my the New York Post reported, and I I had the hard copy, maybe I got an earlier edition, but anyway, he wanted a reality show, it turns out.
Well, he's got his reality show right now.
And anyway, he you know, you can see that I guess on TikTok and the mugs that he wants to sell and the t-shirts that he's wearing of Donald Trump in jail.
But anyway, before he took the stand, the New York Post is as pointed out by Jonathan Turley revealed that Cohn had been pedaling a reality show called The Fixer, including working with some guy named Colin Whalen, who helped create Joe Exotic.
Remember the Joe Exotic guy, Tigers Lies and Coverup?
Anyway, apparently he appeared interested to stay within the genre.
And anyway, that that pitch came with a pretty cheesy promo video where he promised viewers, I am your fixer.
Well, sounds like he's trying to benefit off of this.
He tells viewers that he is now that their fix to their problems because the little guy doesn't usually have access to people with his particular skill set.
You gotta like what Hope Pick said about Cohn, that he's constantly trying to insinuate uh insinuate himself Into the campaign and that he used to like to call himself mixed or fix it, but it was only because he first broke it.
Anyway, cross-examination, which just began a short time ago.
Uh literally started off in a pretty combative tone.
And anyway, you know who I am, don't you?
Defense uh attorney Todd Blanch asked Cohn, I do.
In fact, on April 23rd, you went on Tic Tac, TikTok and called me a crying little shh Adam Schiff, didn't you?
Sounds like something I would say, Cone said, prompting some laughter in the overflow room.
Prosecution objected, prompting a uh conference at the bench, and then Michael Cohn testifying about the fallout for his work with Donald Trump, but he loved working for Donald Trump, he said.
I lost my law license as a direct result of this, and he said he wrote his book Disloyal to Past Time in Prison, wrote a second book, Revenge, in which he was described as a forensic dissection of the prosecution against the critic of the president.
The jury then saw a 2023 media post, Michael Cohn's, and convicted liar and felon.
Anyway, the prosecutor questioned Cohn about Trump in this particular case, but you know, the the cross goes on right now.
And it just has been that kind of day.
And, you know, but one thing that nobody's really, you know, able to get into is the issue of the law.
And and you know, the intent.
Where's the intent?
What Donald Trump has said on that tape that was played in court yesterday.
That uh what payment actually said that.
What payment?
Referring to all of this.
No, did he intend to break laws?
Is there any evidence of what the intent behind all this was?
And but the problem here is, and this is where I'm not Polly Anish, is I don't think Donald Trump can get a fair trial in New York or D.C. or Fulton County, Georgia.
I don't even know if he can get a fair trial in any part of the country at this point for crying out loud.
But I mean, you got a guy that is clearly on a mission for personal revenge as Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House was in the courtroom today.
But, you know, here's a guy convicted of lying, and well, are you telling the truth now?
Or are you telling the truth?
Will you tell him the truth then?
How does the jury jury take anything that this guy says, you know, as gospel truth?
You just can't, and that's the problem.
The problem is with the law.
The problem is with the star witness.
I mean, Michael Cohn admits that he lied on on paperwork for Stormy Daniels.
You know, he admitted that he lied on paperwork filing uh out of the form, describing the first Republic bank account he opened for the for the payments that he made to Stormy Daniels.
He made the payments, which by the way, he's a lawyer.
Nothing illegal about an NDA, but lying about stuff like that.
Yeah, that's a problem.
I'm not sure if they would have opened it if it stated pay off an adult film star for a non-disclosure agreement.
I realized during the process I couldn't realize why, you know, it's called resolution consultants.
Anyway, it's perfectly legal to be involved in an NDA.
You know, I don't know what else to say.
The Iowa Attorney General actually had interesting comments.
Let the American people decide who the leader of the free world will be.
And politics like this is no place in the courtroom.
Our friend Leo 2.0 Torrell, you know, is has been pretty amazing.
This is not a single shred of evidence that President Trump participated in a crime, falsified records, or to hide campaign state or federal laws.
Whoopsie Daisy.
Anyways, you look at all of this, you know, Cohn says he was, you know, knee deep in the cult of Donald Trump in 2015 under questioning from from Blanche.
Oh, okay.
I guess I was hypnotized, and that caused me to act that way.
You know, Trump uh Trump attorney Todd Blanche trying to establish Cohn as very wealthy uh uh well before he entered Trump's orbit.
He admits his first exhibit, exhibit the t-shirt.
Cone is uh selling apparently, depicting Trump behind bars.
Lanch pins Cohn on whether he wants to see Trump convicted.
His answer, yes, probably.
I'd like to see accountability, he said.
It's not for me.
It's for the jury in this case.
I'm asking you just to say yes or no.
Do you want to see Trump convicted?
Sure.
I mean, he's a real lovable figure, isn't he?
Real credible figure.
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It's an amazing eclectic group of people, even on the left that just see this for what it is.
It really is.
Michael Smirconish, a person four or five weeks in into a trial ought to be told exactly what they're being prosecuted for.
And that just hasn't happened.
And all those who are on radio and television like myself act as if, you know, if uh if it is the case that we all know that Trump's been put on notice, but it really isn't true.
I mean, i you you need an intent to prove a crime.
What is the crime that they're even alleging?
They have not and cannot tell us what that is.
I mean, but yet you have to have intent.
Just look at the law we're talking about.
17, 50, 152.
All right.
Well, that'd be falsification of business records in New York.
That'd be a misdemeanor.
Well, the statute of limitations have run out.
But of course, the Biden donor judge with a family that appears to have conflicts, you know, allows all of it in.
He was selected, he wasn't randomly chosen.
How convenient.
Her third highest ranking DOJ official, and Biden's the weaponized justice department running this.
But you'd have to show intent to commit a campaign finance violation.
That has never been proven.
Case closed, not guilty.
But don't expect it in New York.
I don't trust it.
Do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
Brandy, you're a fine girl, what a great wife you'd be.
But it's uh my life, my love, and my lady is the sea.
That's cold, Linda.
That is cold hearted, man.
Oh, you agree?
Love is love and what is it?
There's a thin line between love and hate.
So, you know.
Well, wait a minute.
We've all been in relationships.
What a good white wife you would be.
But my but my my life, my love, and my lady is the C. I'd rather be a good one.
He's talking about the C he found in the bottom of the bottle.
No, he's talking about no, no, no.
He's a little bit more.
Listen, I sang that song for many years and we contemplated for a very long time what it meant.
I bet everybody loved when you play that song.
It's a very crazy.
Everybody loves that song.
They love that song and they love that song from um what's that movie with uh Vince Vaughan?
Uh Vince Vaughan.
Which one?
Uh John Favreau.
Pick up the pieces.
Do you remember that song back in the day?
How's it go?
Sing it.
It's an instrumental.
There's no word.
As long as long as it's nice, as long as it's not in all the years I attended bar at weddings, I worked at a wedding factory for a while, five weddings a weekend Friday night, two Saturday, two Sunday.
And it was celebrated.
There was celebrate.
There was last dance.
Last dance I can I can handle for that.
Well, Lance Dance was great because that meant the night was coming to a close, and that was Donna Summer.
Because it's the longest song.
It's so long.
She had a beautiful voice.
You know how she knew she was a good singer, the great story behind Donna Summer?
Well is she knew because all she knew is she was singing in church, and she would look out in the crowd and she didn't understand why everybody was crying.
How cool a story is that?
I remember reading that.
I could go both ways, though, Sean.
I don't know.
If I look out and everybody's crying and be like, oh my God, how bad is it?
She's a little bit.
No, I was crying because it was, I mean, this this I mean, she she was getting she was such a good singer.
Really?
She was.
Her voice was ridiculous.
Her Whitney Houston ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Some people are just insane.
I don't have that gift, as you know.
Well, I mean, the dude you just did were very impressive.
So well done.
Dude, dude, dude.
Brandy, you're a fine girl.
What a what a good wife you'd be, but my life, my love, and my ladies to see.
Ouch.
I'd rather swim with the fishes and and deal with 50 foot swells like you know, my buddies over that work on Deadliest Cutch.
All right, we got more information.
Cone is uh now saying uh they have a short break going on, but he says his primary residence is still in a Trump building.
You gotta admit that's a little ironic and funny.
He uh the lawyer grilled uh Cohn about his un and and they go on into his comments, vicious, vile postings, rantings, and ravings because he's been told ahead of time and trained, no matter what you do, just you know, act nice before the jury.
Then you get to see the real Michael Cohn when he's doing his TikTok, you know, Trump in uh in jail uh uh t-shirts that he's wearing and mugs that he's selling.
Uh I I'd like to see Trump, you know.
He said, Would you like to see Trump?
Sure.
Oh, okay.
Would you like to see him convicted?
Yes, sure.
I mean, it's just these he's so cocky, it's unreal.
But anyway, at times the questions from Blanche, um anyway, for example, he asked Kona if Anthony Scaramucci visited him in prison, and then he did.
I think that's Scaramucci just being a nice guy if you want to know the truth.
But if the defense was preparing to call a roster of witnesses, one might speculate he was setting up a question for later in the trial, but Blanche had already said that the said it's possible the defense won't call any witnesses get this thing over.
Um but you know, then the issue of whether or not he lied during the Mueller probe came up, and you know, whether or not he lied to them about the Trump proposal to build a Trump branded uh uh skyscraper in Moscow.
Cohn said, yes, the information I gave was not accurate.
Trump's attorney says, was it a lie?
I don't know if I'd characterize it as a lie, it was inaccurate.
Was it a lie?
It wasn't a lie, it wasn't truthful.
If you want to call it a lie, we can call it a lie.
I believe the information I gave them is inaccurate.
But you're st but you are not testifying it's a lie?
Sure, I'll say it's a lie.
Now, if you're on a jury and you got somebody acting like like that, which I think is kind of jackass, don't you think that's kind of jackass, Linda?
I mean, that's that's his default.
I mean, that's what he's going for.
Now remember, he's in court, disparred lawyer, released from prison, multi-year sentences for tax evasion, bank fraud, convicted of lying to Congress, lying under oath, and now facing even more allegations of lying to Congress, as the recent referral by Jordan and Comer.
Uh, but um anyway, at one point he says after he gave his testimony wasn't able to talk to Trump anymore.
And the issue of lying came up again.
He is resistant to being called a liar.
If you want to call it a lie, you can.
He said after first saying the information he gave to the special counsel's office about the Trump Moscow project was inaccurate.
I mean, he lied to the special counsel.
I mean, why would anybody on this jury take one after this point?
Well, just based on on this cross, why would you take a single word that this man has to say with any degree of seriousness?
Let me let me go through this again because I think this is very, very, you know, telling.
So Trump's attorney is trying to get him to admit he under oath that he lied during conversations involving Robert Mueller's probe of Trump and his links to Russia.
And Blanche pressing Cohn to say that he lied to them about the Trump organization's proposal to build a Trump branded skyscraper in Moscow.
Cohn replied, yes, the information I gave was not accurate.
Trump's liar said was a Trump's lawyer says was it a lie?
Well, I don't know if I would characterize it as a lie.
It was inaccurate.
Okay.
Was it a lie?
It wasn't a lie.
It wasn't truthful.
If you want me to call it a lie, we can call it a lie.
I believe the information I gave them is inaccurate.
So you're you're not testifying it's a lie.
Sure, I'll say it's a lie.
I mean, just imagine if you're a witness.
I mean, if you're on the jury and the witnesses acting this way, I mean, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of, well, he didn't put a denon into Michael Cohn because Michael Cohn's been prepped over and over again not to get angry, not to get mad, not to get angry, not to get mad, not to get rattled.
But I mean, we learned that with the Stormy Daniels testimony that they spent all this time prepping.
Okay, if you're spending time prepping, who was prepping you?
I'd like to know an answer to that question.
Was it the prosecution prepping you?
Were they coaching you?
Were they giving you answers as part of the coaching?
And it's pretty unbelievable to me.
So the question is if this case hinges on this.
Now, here's the downside.
We're in New York.
This case is in New York right now.
I'm not in New York.
I'm in Florida.
But if this case is being tried in New York City, nine out of ten people, registered Democrats, a jury pool that hates Donald Trump.
And I just do not have confidence he can get a fair trial.
And during jury selection, you know, what do you really know about what people are really thinking?
Sometimes you find out after cases, oh, that person really didn't like the person that they were involved in the case with.
Anyway, so, you know, the bottom line is that you got a guy that has been profiting off of Donald Trump, wanting him convicted on TikTok, asking for gifts all over TV.
Couldn't remember whether or not, in fact, the DA said not to go on TV.
I don't know, I don't remember.
I'm not sure I believe that either.
I don't believe a word that comes out of this guy's mouth.
And I don't think anybody on that jury's gonna believe it.
However, you know, then the question that has not been brought up before the jury is the issue of the law.
All of the the tawdry, salacious, sensational, irrelevant immaterial information from Stormy Daniels, etc.
And David Pecker.
I mean, what did this have to do with the fundamental basics of the law in this case?
Because the law actually should matter.
The law should be relevant in this case.
And the law is very, very clear.
Jonathan Turley put it well.
He said, I can't imagine any competent lawyer would not truly be embarrassed by what happened in the courtroom with Cohn.
You know, this this should go down as a day of infamy for the New York legal system.
Alan Dershwitz made similar uh comments about this.
Watching this unfold in the courtroom as a lawyer is deeply disturbing.
They keep on referring to these documents.
These documents don't move the ball.
The documents show an NDA and a payment that's not in dispute that are not unlawful.
It's not unlawful as a federal campaign contribution.
Or Andy McCarthy saying Breg knows what he's doing is improper, completely political in this case.
And he said, well, maybe Merchant Mershawn is having second thoughts.
They haven't come close to proving that fraud took place.
And they don't, you know, have to prove the fraud has taken place.
They just have to prove that it was fraud that included a specific intent to commit another crime, which we believe is a federal campaign finance crime, but nobody knows for sure.
There's not a scintilla of evidence that Trump was ever thinking about federal campaign law.
And as somebody that has known Donald Trump for a long time, during this time, I could tell you, I doubt he had any knowledge at all whatsoever about any of it.
Anyway, so we'll see how this all turns out in the um, but that's the news from Lake Wolbagon.
Yes, what would you like to add?
I would like to add one thing, and I don't think it can be said enough.
If you look at Donald Trump as a member of the community, specifically in New York, New York City, New York State, but New York City, right?
And this is a guy who doesn't drink, doesn't smoke.
You may not like the way he talks.
You may not like, you know, his personal life and some choices.
May not like his tweeting.
Right, guys.
I love his tweeting personally, but that's just me.
But putting all that to the side, all these little things that he does.
Never been convicted of a crime, never had any problems.
And then the last year, we got 91 indictments.
No convictions, no evidence, empty indictments when we look at the cases of Alvin Bragg 34 times over.
They all say the same thing.
But the problem is when you talk to Democrats and liberals, and you just even begin to have the conversation about Trump, they're like, oh my God, he's a convict.
He's not a convict.
They're trying to create a persona of him being a convict.
There's far more evidence against, like, I don't know, anybody else than against him.
Because when you get into the weeds, that's where you really get the answers.
But the thing is they just want to tie him up.
They want to keep him out of the public eye.
But what they're not realizing is, you know, wow, New Jersey is a perfect example of just a very small sample of what the rest of the world is feeling.
And it is the world.
It's not the country, it's the world.
Everybody is looking for Trump.
Everything, and this is where I gotta go to the polls because now the polls actually are impactful here.
And polls matter.
And when you look at these numbers, they are staggering.
You have Nevada, 12-point Donald Trump lead.
He didn't win Nevada 2016 or 2020.
He didn't win it.
Arizona, seven-point lead.
Georgia, he's now up by 10.
Michigan, seven point Trump lead.
Pennsylvania, three-point Trump lead.
This is this isn't, you know, obviously something has happened here.
I say defy conventional political gravity.
Okay, that's my way.
You know, there was a CNN analyst that actually said this on top of Verid Zakaria rightly saying nobody without the name Trump would ever be tried with, but ever been charged with this.
And by the way, a city that doesn't even charge people on tape beating the living Adam Schiff out of cops.
I almost said it, by the way.
Whoops.
Did you hear me?
I'm like, oh yeah, that almost came out.
Anyway, but but that that happens.
How sick is that?
I've never seen a witness who's lied to Congress, lied to court, lied to the IRS, lied to the Southern District of New York, and this now we know lied to uh by his own admission, finally, uh Robert Muller, uh, lied to his banker, the entire prosecution witness witness team has been lied to by Michael Cohn.
You'd never see anything like this.
And it's happening.
It's pretty unbelievable.
What has happened to our country?
Let me tell you something.
Every law has its foundation, its roots on a document that we were brought up to revere.
That document is called our constitution.
Every law comes down to that document.
That's why courts determine co-equal branches of government, three branches of government.
A judicial branch determines that it's constitutional.
And then you have people that are abusing their power and they weaponize our system of justice, where we don't have equal application, equal justice under the law.
You want to talk about a case that would be applicable in terms of what their intent is and as it relates to breaking the law.
And in other words, the falsification of business records.
Well, remember Hillary Clinton?
It was a business expense.
Remember legal expense?
Did she falsify that when she funneled money to Perkins Cooy, a law firm that then gave money to and hired Fusion GPS, an op research firm, that then hired Christopher Steele to put together the lying Russian disinformation dossier?
Was that a legal fee?
Did they falsify their business records?
Why isn't Hillary Clinton in trouble?
Same time frame.
Because Hillary Clinton's a Democrat.
Hillary Clinton's not a Republican.
Hillary Clinton's protected by the system.
Donald Trump is persecuted by the system.
Don't expect justice in New York.
I'm telling you to expect the worst in spite of no evidence of any crime.
That is a sad day for our country, our constitution, the rule of law, equal justice under the law, equal application of our laws.
And that basically, you might as well take your constitution and put it in a shredder.