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	Uh, well, not strange territory to our next guest, former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich is with us.
	Uh boy, I remember the cop galeria.
	The night was election night, 1994.
	I was your MC.
	You had you you that night you brought Republicans out of the wilderness for the first time in 40 years, Republicans got a majority of the House of Representatives, and you became Speaker, and that became a part of my life's history, and I am forever grateful.
	And then you ended up balancing the budget four years in a row, and it's not been balanced since, and it wasn't balanced for a long time before, and I don't see any hope that it's gonna be balanced anytime soon.
	Well, I'm I'm I'm a little more optimistic.
	I think that uh we actually have a pretty good budget committee chairman, and I think that they are working very hard.
	They've actually produced a budget which would be in balance in ten years.
	Now they got they gotta want carry the country and pick up a heck of a lot of seats next year, but if they did that, they've that you know Jody Arrington as chairman has proven that you could balance the budget if you had the willpower.
	And the question will be whether we got a president and a house and a senate that are willing to do it.
	And I think getting spending under control, balancing the budget, getting back to three and a half or four percent economic growth, and uh uh dramatically overhauling the federal government.
	I think you'll just saw in Argentina.
	That's a pretty winning package when you're dealing with people who are very unhappy and who uh see that their money is being spent in crazy ways and that uh they're getting poorer while their government gets richer.
	Let me ask you about the the Republican majority.
	It's very slim.
	A lot of reports that Kevin McCarthy and and one other congressman are are thinking about uh resigning before the end of the year or maybe early into next year.
	Then the whole George Santos fiasco.
	To me, that is an unmitigated disaster on top of the fact that Republicans can't even unite on some of the most basic items, or as you call them, the ninety ten, eighty twenty issues that the l the low hanging fruit that everybody should agree on if they're a Republican.
	Yeah, I think this is uh the news speaker, McJohnson has an enormous challenge, and it's one that uh ultimately uh is as brilliant as he is, and as much as I admire Kevin McCarthy, he he couldn't find a way to both keep his entire conference, you know, he got ninety-six percent of the House Republican conference voted to keep him.
	But the four percent who sided with the Democrats were the margin of defeating him.
	Uh and in that kind of environment, I think Mike Johnson's gonna find pretty rapidly, he's gonna have similar problems, uh, because there's a block of Republicans who get up every morning knowing they're voting no, they just don't know what they're voting on.
	Uh and they're there, I mean who you used to wake up and teddy would Teddy's first comment was we need more money, and then he'd say, Now what's the issue?
	Well, I mean, uh you you have a wealth of experience, that's pretty much how it works.
	All right, with that said, because look, you d you have various factions within the Republican party, but they are the majority.
	It's frustrating to me as a conservative that Republicans don't stand on principle.
	You know, I would think that demanding a border bill alone would not be that heavy a lift for them and and just not be willing to go along with any other spending until they do that.
	Or for example, Chuck Schumer gave you know a passionate speech about anti Semitism yesterday, a little late for my liking.
	Uh he could have done this when uh uh Congresswoman Talib was talking about wiping Israel off the map from the river to the sea, but she didn't get kicked out of Congress.
	Uh and and the reality is Chuck I'm sorry, um Schumer this week had an opportunity to have a standalone Israel funding bill, and he chose not to support it, and he got all the Democrats not to support it because he wants the big omnibus bills.
	He wants Ukraine tied to it, he wants Taiwan tied to it, maybe some border security money just to get the House to go along.
	Um why can't they just have every bill be a standalone bill and work that way?
	Well, you could, but you you probably couldn't get anything through at that point.
	Um what they're trying to do is figure out you know, are there enough things that if I each one brings, let's say 70 or 100 votes.
	So if I can get three or four things that each bring seventy or a hundred votes, can I get to a majority?
	Uh I think that the border ought to be a much bigger issue than it is.
	I just read a thing this morning about a uh 94-year-old World War II veteran being kicked out of his uh nursing home so that they can turn it over to Biden's uh legal immigrants.
	And and I've decided every time I use the term illegal immigrant, I'm gonna put Biden's name in front of it, because none of this is an accident.
	This is a deliberate policy by Biden and the Democrats to drown the country and people who are here illegally, uh, and they they know it and they're doing it willfully and deliberately, and I think that we need to make them accept the consequence of their behavior.
	Well, I mean, I I I I tend to agree with you uh on every front.
	How do you do it?
	Well, I think first of all, you've got you've got to get agreement on what you're at least willing to talk about.
	Because if you get uh two hundred plus Republicans in the House and 48 or Republicans in the Senate, and they have the same language, they can drive things.
	I mean, Reagan managed long before Rush Limbaugh became famous, long before there was a Fox News, Reagan understood that just sheer repetition you could get through despite all the efforts of the news media.
	Uh and so I think that's a you know a fascinating way to approach this.
	And I think that uh, you know, fix it.
	That's why, for example, I've I've talked so much about big government socialism, because that's what they are, and it's very unpopular.
	Uh and again, to cite, you know, recently we've had elections in uh um Argentina, in Holland, in Finland, in Hungary, in Italy, in Greece, in South Korea, and again and again, the people who are secondary to big government and second tired of left wing values have been winning astonishing victories.
	And I think that Republicans should focus first of all on what do we have to do next year to make sure we win the biggest possible victory at every level.
	House, Senate, President, uh, governors, what have you.
	And how do we draw the issues so clearly uh and focus on I I think the Congress ought to go to New York and hold some field hearings with the senior citizens who are being kicked out of their homes in order to take care of illegal immigrants, just to give you an example.
	Second, I think, and if you want any single argument for why it's good to have a Republican House, look at the work they're doing to bring to the surface just how corrupt and how sick the Biden family is.
	Uh and I think that none of that would be happening if the Democrats were in charge.
	So it's so act these are these are serious things.
	When somebody who's as serious and and careful as Andy McCarthy, who used to be a prosecuting federal attorney and and prosecuted the terrorists who uh had the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, when McCarthy writes a piece that starts with, it's now clear that we have the equivalent of a Chinese communist agent sitting in the Oval Office.
	Uh that's pretty devastating because it uh there's a whole zone here, not just of corruption, but of basically selling out America and doing things for foreign dictatorships and foreign oligarchs uh that clearly violate any commitment to to uh improving America.
	And I think that's going to be part of it.
	But uh but Biden also faces just reality.
	I mean, when you have uh nine hundred I'm sorry, eight hundred cars carjacked in Washington, DC by Thanksgiving, there's something profoundly wrong.
	Uh when when you learn that the the estimate is that there have been four point two billion dollars stolen from stores in New York City, uh and you just go case by case and realize the Biden policies don't work, the left doesn't work, and you've and you're you feel it in your pocketbook, you feel it in the quality of life in your neighborhood.
	Uh, you know, uh you have give the and you're gonna have this great debate tonight, which Clista and I are both really looking forward to, and I think it's a very, very innovative idea.
	And it's really a choice of two profoundly different governing philosophies.
	And I was fascinated that Governor Newsom, in order to welcome uh the Chinese uh dictator Xi Jinping to San Francisco, created a totally phony of uh Potemkin village, uh cleaned up the city just long enough for Xi Jinping to visit, and then promptly let it collapse again.
	And I just thought, I mean, what does it tell you when the policies are so bad that they have to go about creating a phony appearance in order to have a Chinese dictator show up?
	Yeah.
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	We're in Alpharetta, Georgia for tonight's big debate with Governor Ron DeSantis versus Governor Gavin Newsom.
	That's nine Eastern tonight on Fox, but we continue at Speaker of the House, New Gingrich, former speaker.
	Um by the way, I have an old friend of yours in studio here uh with us.
	Uh you might remember when I was here from ninety-two to ninety-six, uh doing uh my show, my radio show on the news monster, uh guy by the name of Eric Slug I Sadell.
	Do you remember Slugo?
	Of course.
	That's Newt, how are you?
	Well, well, he didn't pay me very much when I was here, just for the record.
	I go back to when you were still a college professor, Newton when I first messed you.
	Wow.
	At Kennesaw State College?
	No, no, no.
	He was at West Georgia.
	You were at West Georgia, that's right.
	Okay, sorry.
	And you you may remember I came in one time to substitute for Neil Bord, and I learned the hard way.
	That doing three hours of talk radio is real work.
	Uh and uh Well, don't give away the secret.
	They actually have to work at this show.
	I love people that said, Well, you only work three hours a day on the radio.
	I'm like, okay.
	For every hour you're on, there's like three hours of preparation.
	It's amazing to me.
	I mean, I I thought I could just do it, and I went in there, and by about the second hour I was dying.
	I mean, you were not.
	Come on.
	You have filled in for me before.
	Look, the things that interested me had no interest anybody else.
	And I didn't prepare correctly.
	I didn't understand them the nature of a Neil Bort's audience.
	And you know, I I've ever since I've had enormous respect for people like you and Rush.
	Uh you're because you know, both of you understand you have to entertain in order to educate.
	And so you've got to have a show that's lively and informative and that people want to listen to because they have many things they can do with their lives.
	And and I think uh Eric would agree totally that there are a handful of people who get it so well, they become sort of artists of what they're doing.
	Now I have to also confess, back when they weren't paying you very much, you weren't quite up to the office level yet.
	But the first time I interviewed Newt was in a holiday in in Decatur, Alabama, when I was doing radio in Huntsville from ninety to ninety two.
	Right.
	Funny story about Neil Bortz.
	Neil Bortz made me a much better host.
	I'm driving in one morning and I tune in to our competitor station, and it was six fifteen in the morning, and I'm I'm driving to work.
	And then on comes Neil Bortz at six fifteen.
	Every morning he would be there at six fifteen.
	He told his audience every topic that he would be discussing that day, meaning he had read every newspaper already.
	Uh that means he had been there for a couple of hours, and I'm like, I'm still driving to work.
	And from that day forward, I got my ass to work very early, and I would listen to him at six fifteen every morning, and then he would give away his whole show.
	And if he was gonna be talking and he didn't have many guests, so if he had uh a really good topic and there was a great guest I could get and book, I'd rather have the guest and let rather than him just going off on stuff.
	The other thing is so one day uh he announces he has Robert Shapiro, this is right after the O. J. Simpson trial, that's gonna be on his show at ten PM.
	My sh our show start at nine.
	Probably ten A. M. I'm sorry, at ten A.M. Um, and so anyway, I called uh uh my my producer, Eric Stenger.
	How come we didn't get Rob Shapiro?
	What's going on?
	He goes, No, I think he's gonna be on a an FM station that we had a relationship with.
	We actually did an April Fool's switch joke one year, which turned out to be 99X.
	Yeah, 99X.
	He calls over there and says, Is there any chance that Mr. Shapiro would like to do an interview with Sean Hannity at nine a.m.?
	She goes, sure.
	We're free, right?
	Okay, they come over, I get him first, and then at the end of the hour, I say, Mr. Shapiro, this is going so well.
	Would you mind staying a little bit longer, maybe into the next hour?
	He stays till about ten forty-five, then heads over to Neil's show.
	Neil meets him in the parking lot, nearly has a fist fight with the guy.
	I mean, those are the old school radio wars that used to take place, but he made me a better host because I knew how good he was, I know how smart he was.
	And then we feed him stories on the topics that we knew that his audience was bored stiff with.
	And every day we try to like feed him stories that that would send him off on the typical tangent, which worked often.
	That's hysterical.
	Well, I have to tell you, Neil, who, as you know.
	By the way, we're best friends, I love him.
	Well, he's he now has me coming to do some breakfast group uh an early in uh four.
	And the only reason I'm doing it is Neil.
	I mean, he has such a great friend.
	We've been we've known each other so long.
	Uh but you know, he and Rush were very similar in that neither of them actually wanted to have guests.
	Now, I think in Neil's case because he really liked listening to himself.
	And in Russian, he he knew that his audience didn't want to listen to anybody else.
	They wanted to listen to Rush.
	And I remember one time I I asked you a question because you would you'd begun opening the evening uh TV with a monologue and you said, Well, the challenge is that's actually the highest rated part of the show, because people are curious about what you think, and then you let us l lesser mortals come on and uh uh former speaker of the house, Lesser Mortals.
	Logo, you get the last word.
	I uh look, Newt, it's good to talk to you.
	I haven't seen you for a while, but I remember when during a World Braves World Series game, uh, and I had known you for many years, and my brother was in town who was a DC lawyer, and he wanted to meet you, although he came from an opposite end of the political spectrum.
	And but he was very nice.
	I was really terrified about introducing you, but he was very, very courteous.
	Uh anyway, Mr. Speaker, we love having you.
	Thank you so much.
	Uh we'll talk a little bit more with Sluggo as the program goes on.
	He's gonna tell you lies about me and my past, but I'm just giving you a preview of coming attractions.
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	Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
	Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
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	What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
	Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
	Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
	It's almost a dirty word.
	One that connotes conspiracy theory.
	Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
	Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
	We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
	You put two and two together.
	Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
	Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
	I'm Leon Nafok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
	This is Fiasco Benghazi.
	What difference at this point does it make?
	Yeah, that's right.
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	Uh, We are in Alpharetta, Georgia today.
	Tonight's big debate, state versus state, red versus blue.
	Governor Ronda Santos of Florida versus Governor Gavin Newsom.
	Man, I will tell you the amount of interest in this.
	Did you see the Drudger for it tonight?
	I mean, the real debate.
	Hannity Show on what does it say?
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	I got to pull it up here.
	It was pretty, it was pretty funny.
	Here it is.
	Hannity's show in the spotlight.
	I don't know if that's good or bad.
	It says, Tonight the real debate, left and right, coast square off.
	I'm glad there's a lot of interest in it.
	And as I've been telling many of you, even some of you that are critical.
	Why are you giving Gavin Newsom any airtime?
	I'm like, you better pay attention to this guy.
	And you know, he acts like what are the odds that Joe Biden might not be on the ticket a year from now?
	Is that a real possibility?
	Because I think the answer is yes.
	If I am right, and that's a real possibility, you better know who's behind him.
	Now we know about Kamala Harris.
	She's more of a known entity nationwide.
	People know about Gavin Newsom, but they don't really know his record.
	Uh the people of California do.
	And I think to just highlight these diametrically opposed political views and and philosophies and look at the results and or failures of them or the justification for why things are the way they are, uh, is going to be very interesting.
	And anyway, so that's happening nine Eastern.
	It goes till 10:30, then we'll do a half hour analysis of the debate.
	Uh we'll put up on Hannity.com if you want to vote who won the debate.
	Uh we'll put that up there.
	Or if you want to grade the moderator and give me an A plus, I'd I'd take that too, but that's not part of the equation.
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	Anyway, it's great to be back.
	Um, I'm now starting my 28th year at the Fox News channel.
	And I promise you, if you would have looked at any of the early shows of then Hannity and Combs and think that I'd still be there, I promise you, you'd be like wondering, how did they put this guy on TV?
	And you they were right in what they said.
	The first review of Hannity and Combs said, Alan Combs looks funorial, and Sean Hannity has a bad haircut and has no business being on television.
	And I have a face for radio.
	He didn't say that part though.
	I now I have since done many interviews.
	Vern Gay of Newsday wrote it, and I've done many interviews, and every time we do an interview, I'm like, but we bring it up and we kind of laugh about it.
	Now with I've become the longest running primetime cable host in the history of cable news.
	I never thought that would ever happen.
	All I knew in my life and in my career is I I grew up listening to radio.
	I was fascinated with radio.
	My parents were furious at my radio listening because I would listen to talk shows, you know, late into the night in New York.
	And guys like Barry Farber, who became a dear friend of mine, and Barry Gray, and you know, all these late-night hosts, and and and then it evolved.
	Then, you know, the acerbic Bob Graham, hey, uh, get off my phone, you scumbag, stuff like that.
	Um and I had a little of that style in me, I guess when I started.
	Did you did you ever?
	All right.
	Well, good.
	We'll get to that in a second.
	Calm down.
	I'm bringing I'm about to introduce you.
	Uh, But all I knew that light went on, and that's what I wanted to do.
	And and rightly I was fired at a university station, but frankly, everyone on that station should have been fired because they were all left-wing nuts.
	But once they took the mic away from me, I that that's all I wanted to do.
	My life changed.
	I have no idea why.
	Then you called me from Atlanta and offered me an opportunity to audition for two days there.
	Right.
	An on-air audition.
	Okay, so I did two days audition.
	What happened at behind the scenes after that audition?
	Well, let me you know, we go back.
	I was telling Linda Blair and uh James, we go back 31 years now.
	Right.
	So you were in a talk radio bassinet at the time.
	Thanks a lot.
	Looks like you just slipped out of your own bassinet there.
	Sluggo's chair nearly went right to the ground.
	Uh so we we really had to uh work with you, and you were you came on very strong.
	You had the edge of a New Yorker.
	Well, I had a much thicker New York accent at the time.
	Yeah, I sounded like Linda.
	See, I don't remember that so much as uh as how abrupt you could be with with callers and even with guests.
	And I think and Nancy Zintac, our executive producer and I used to tell you you're in the deep south, mellow out a little.
	You didn't really tell me until there was an until moment.
	I I don't remember if you gave me how many year contract it was originally.
	I would think it was a for life, wasn't it?
	No, it was not for life, not even close to for life.
	Um and you didn't pay me very much just for the record.
	Well, we paid you based on the uh cost of living here, which is far less than New York.
	It's not that less.
	Um, but actually, in in retrospect, I I would never have had the opportunities I had not being in Atlanta, because then I started doing TV at fake news CNN, and they were calling me like every other day.
	Well, you and you also did uh a couple of talk shows, and you Sally Jesse.
	Yep, and uh you did Donnie Hugh once.
	We did Donnie, Neil Bortz was on that.
	Yeah, and you also uh went up on weekends and did CNBC.
	That's where Roger Ayles learned about you.
	That's correct.
	So all that happened.
	Um so anyway, long story short, and he's gonna distort the story, but I'll let you give your version of it.
	One day you call me in your office and you confronted me over my confrontational style on the air.
	And I will tell you, as you uh if you've ever watched Howard Stern's movie Private Parts, you know, it's like when you start on radio, you sound like an idiot.
	You know, and now it shook of today's weather, hazy, hot, humid, cancel late afternoon thunderstorms, right now it's 78 degrees, slight drizzle on W W W. W A N B C. You know, this that that's all real.
	That's how you start out.
	Yeah.
	I think you become your best host.
	Or the way to become the best host you can be is when you are true truly yourself.
	There is no doubt that New York, rough and tumble, uh, get off my phone, you creep, got into my bloodstream.
	And I thought that was how to do a talk show.
	It's not my natural style.
	It definitely is Levin's natural style.
	Yeah, for example.
	Get off my phone, you big dope, right?
	But um it's not mine.
	And so you bring me into your office, and I remember this well, and Nancy was in the meeting, and I remember you're you're kind of in a very nice way.
	You didn't yell, you didn't scream, you just said, you gotta you gotta calm down.
	Callers are I'm telling you, we're getting complaints about how not what you say, they agree with you, but how you're saying it.
	Well, that's exactly right.
	Uh I knew from the time I heard your tapes before we ever brought you into Atlanta for the uh on-air audition.
	So this is the guy.
	Yeah, he's young, he's inexperienced, but he's where we need him to be politically.
	Okay, so I played the uh Nancy, you know, is sort of to the left of the left, but she should I have to give her credit.
	She was a terrific producer, she understood the talk talent, and she helped produce to your strengths.
	Did it with Neil too when he was there?
	Uh but all we need to knew you you had to just scroll.
	And you were young.
	I thought you'd bring a younger audience, you know.
	You yeah, you were young at one time, Sean.
	And by the way, we did.
	Yeah.
	I remember books Men 2554 with 12 and a half shares.
	Yeah.
	But don't forget we had the Braves too.
	Yeah, when you lost the Braves, I said goodbye.
	Yeah.
	Oh, you did stay for the Olympics.
	That was very kind of you.
	You do know what the AJC said in their year-end edition in 1996, right?
	I I I remember you remember these things better than I do.
	Well, I actually have the article saved.
	It said 1996 was a great year.
	The Olympics came and Sean Hannity left.
	Yeah.
	Which is funny.
	But that meeting, I remember what I said to you.
	I said, You've lost confidence in me.
	That's what I said to you.
	And what did I say?
	You were very nice.
	Honestly, you were you were a great mentor.
	You were.
	What you didn't want to do, and then I figured out what had happened.
	That a big research project had been conducted on the station on me, and you would not share the information with me, but you wanted to filter the information to me.
	All correct, right?
	Critical mass media did it.
	Yeah, we did Joel.
	Yeah.
	It would, you know, it we really needed to proctor that to you and other talent.
	Okay, and and there are a lot of talent that really can't handle research.
	I'm not one of them.
	Yeah.
	So one night I was there late, just happened to see an open office door.
	That was locked.
	Not necessarily.
	Oh, yes.
	I don't I don't recall that part.
	That was our new store.
	I know it was locked.
	And I found that perceptual.
	Yeah, it just jumped into your hand.
	It did.
	And I read the sluggo.
	I read the whole thing.
	I know you did.
	I know and the verbatims are what got to you.
	The verbatims were unsolicited comments about varying hosts.
	And the audience was shouting at me to calm the hell down.
	They liked my opinions.
	They did not like my style.
	This is everything we were telling you two, but uh yeah.
	But when I had but I had to read it myself to get it.
	Yeah.
	I never lost confidence in you.
	I knew what you could do.
	And again, for our audience, the target we were hitting, you were perfect for that.
	And it was just a matter to uh to grow into that role in a more be yourself, as you said.
	How long can you not be yourself?
	How long can you be that dishonest?
	Eventually eventually the real person has to come out of its radio.
	Radio's a warmth medium.
	Can't live a lie like that, especially when and this is a very intimate medium, too.
	Totally agree.
	Yeah.
	So I took it seriously.
	And by the way, there were probably about 20 years in my career, and I've told I never really got into great detail.
	I paid for research on myself.
	I know.
	And I would read it just the way I read the research, because that helped me improve more than anything.
	Because what I realized is the audience is never wrong.
	One thing I want to go back.
	At the time you had the nervous system of jello.
	You were you were so insecure.
	And you have told me every day you thought I'd fire you.
	Every day after the show, I would go into the into the control room, steal the tapes, and make it that you could not listen to the show from that day because you were a meeting the whole show.
	I would have Stanger walk the building and find out where you were, and I and do do topics you didn't want me to do.
	Um I hope you've gained some confidence in me.
	Well, you know, I thank you.
	I thank Bill Donovan.
	I think Roger, I think everybody that's had an impact on my career.
	And um it's been an amazing jury.
	Well, nobody works harder than you.
	I've got and that your your work ethic was one of the things we saw right away.
	And that was such a strength, and it's been such a strength for you all along.
	Your success to a great extent is due to you.
	All right, quick break.
	Uh more with my former boss and friend uh Eric Slugo Sidel is with us.
	Uh we'll get to your calls later on in the program at the top of the hour.
	Tristy Noam will join us.
	And uh don't forget our debate tonight.
	Blue State, Red State, Red State, Blue State, the Great State debate.
	It's happening in Alpharetta, Georgia, nine Eastern, Governor Ron DeSantis versus Governor Gavin Newsom.
	I, your host, will be your moderator.
	My tour in Al Goreta, Georgia, for the big blue state-red state debate happening tonight.
	And Eric Slugo Sidel uh is with us.
	He is my former boss when I was here here locally in Atlanta.
	You know, that story I told about Neil Bortz is true.
	And you know I've told you that story before.
	And I was shocked that he was at work and I was still driving to work, and I wasn't on for another two and a half hours, and that he had already read everything.
	And I'm Like, I'll never survive.
	Then I'm taking my first vacation like a year later.
	I'm in my car.
	Now, Neil switched stations.
	The reason I got hired by you is because he went to a competing station.
	The one I'm on now, the good station, WSB.
	Um the one we had doesn't exist here anymore.
	That's true.
	So um Neil's on the air.
	I'm listening to him as I'm going on vacation.
	And he's like, Sean Hannity, I know you're listening.
	How the hell do you know I'm listening?
	He goes, Sean, your phone's about to ring.
	It's gonna be Sluggo.
	Sluggo's gonna say, come on back because of what I'm about to announce.
	Starting Monday morning, I'm going back to my old time slot.
	He was supposed to compete against Rush.
	Didn't work out well.
	No, he thought he could beat Rush and he couldn't.
	Okay.
	So he's going back, and then he then he's gonna start a show 15 minutes before me.
	I get to the airport, I'm like, I'm coming back.
	You would not let me come back.
	That's right.
	And I had no power to fight you on that.
	And I uh it was the worst vacation I've ever had in my life.
	Well, I'm sorry about that.
	I thought you needed the break.
	But uh, you know and I think you filled in for me in the meantime.
	And the ratings were incredible.
	They went on.
	A lot of blank space.
	Oh man.
	Um you know, Newt said something.
	I I could never do this full time.
	You could so it it is it is so the the amount of work that goes into this.
	You did ask the program director all the time.
	Yeah, it was asked the manager, yeah.
	Ask the manager.
	And there were times when I filled in when I would do topics too.
	Uh but um, but for the this is I guess this is why I went into management.
	Why?
	I couldn't do the I did news.
	I came up through news, not through talk, so you know that.
	But you know what's odd for me is I can't even believe that I don't know what my life would be like if I didn't have this three-hour outlet every day.
	You guys talk about how hard it is.
	I can't think about life without it.
	Isn't that weird?
	No, not at all.
	Not at all.
	It's what hits you.
	It's in your heart.
	Sluggo, I'm grateful for you.
	And you've been friends ever since.
	Bill Dunman, grateful for him.
	Everybody that's helped me in TV and radio, my current partners.
	I mean, they're amazing.
	Um, you know, everyone from Julie to Bob Pittman, my I'm the best radio team.
	They're half here, sweet baby James is here, Linda Blair are here.
	Um, and the same with my TV style.
	Great people.
	Um, you're an easy guy to like, by the way.
	The people don't like to be like.
	Well, they like me because I give them bonuses and I pay for lunch and I pay for dinner.
	Uh, you're an easy guy to like, and people should get to know.
	I hope can get to know you on a different level because you are a terrific human being.
	You're a great man, Sluggo.
	Thank you for helping me.
	You you were you definitely helped me.
	I take a lot of pride.
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