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Sekulow on Israel Conflict - October 9th, Hour 3
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Uh we've got a very lengthy montage, but I think it's definitely worth listening to.
You know, as all of this is Israel, you know, uh an unprovoked invasion attack, murdering of innocent civilians, and then kidnapping other Israelis.
Uh, you would think that the media might actually get on the right side of the issue.
No, not at all.
We have the media actually outright defending Hamas and and the quote, the Palestinian people in this case and the people of Gaza in this case.
Listen to this.
And there has been uh the most aggressive encroachment into the West Bank by this far-right coalition government of any that we've seen, uh this mobilization that has been going on for a year and that is reaching critical points, uh, not completely observed by the outside world.
The fact that Israel is an occupying power, the fact that Israel has violated international law and Palestinian rights.
You spend taxpayer money on buying Israel defense uh systems and trying those defense systems on Palestinians.
The Prime Minister of Israel, the most right wing in its uh history, the most far-right extremist Jewish nationalist Jewish supremacist government that has existed in Israel has been over the past by law.
You're not characterizing, by the way.
That's actually what they've written.
That is just like factually, you know what I mean.
The rhetoric that has come out from Israeli politicians towards the Palestinians in the West Bank over the past several months has been vile, has been disgusting.
Now remember, Hamas is funded and gets the approval of Iran to do all of this, just like uh in the North, you've got at Lebanon, you've got uh uh Hezbollah and Hezbollah, of course, they too are beholden to the Iranians.
And report after report after report, starting with the Wall Street Journal over the weekend, uh, about how Iran was calling all of the shots involved actively in the plotting and the planning and the scheming of this attack against Israel.
Jonathan Greenblatt is with the Anti-Defamation League, he's their director, just ripping MSDNC's coverage of the Hamas attack on Israel.
Uh, who's writing the scripts for MSNBC?
Is it Hamas?
Listen.
I'll be honest, I am angry.
I am angry with the world that allowed the dehumanization of Israelis and sanitized the terrorism of Hamas.
I must say, I love this show, and I love this network.
But I've got to ask who is writing the scripts?
Hamas.
The people who did this, they are not fighters, Jonathan.
They are not militants, and I'm looking right at the camera.
They are terrorists.
It is a barbarian who rapes and brutalizes women, who tears kills children in front of their parents, and then brings them over to Gaza.
Who literally, we've heard all these reports, and we know these aren't just reports.
These were filmed gleefully by the barbarians who committed these grotesque crimes.
They filmed, for example, an elderly Woman in her home in one of these towns.
They burned her alive in her house because she was too infirm to take out.
All right, joining us now from the American Center for Law and Justice, who's their chief counsel, Jay Secular, front of the program, back with us.
Sir, how are you?
I'm good, Sean.
Let's get your reaction to all of it.
And I think more importantly, you know, there is this media aspect of it, which is, you know, incomprehensible to me.
Is you know that they want to lash out and blame the victims of an attack here and an assault here that killed nine Americans, and we know that Americans have been taken hostage.
We don't know how many.
No, we d I'll tell you this.
You know, I'm one of the few lawyers that has had experience in the international uh criminal court and international tribunals uh putting forward Israel's position when it comes to not only self-defense, but the designation of Israel as a free Jewish state.
So I mean, there's not many lawyers that have done that.
I've had that honor and privilege.
But let me tell you what's going on right now.
So I just got off the phone with our office in Strasbourg, France, which is our European Center for Law and Justice, our office in Jerusalem, uh, to put forward a game plan because on Wednesday, the European Union has uh is going to have in the European Council a debate on stopping funding of Hamas.
Now, Sean, you asked yourself why are they funding Hamas?
It's millions and millions of dollars a year go to Gaza.
And that, of course, goes to Hamas.
There are only three countries that oppose it right now.
They are Denmark, Luxembourg, and Ireland.
And we are putting a lot of diplomatic pressure from our offices in Europe on those countries to get that designation put in place to stop the money flow.
The second aspect of it is going to be with the actual UN itself and their Committee on Human Rights, because obviously Hamas violates every law of the the of and code of the law of armed conflict.
Of course, they're not following any laws or international norms.
So we're taking that to the United Nations.
The key is you talk about the media.
So here's what's going to happen.
The media right now, you know, initially, of course, says what happened in Israel is horrible, and the and the films we're seeing and the new numbers we're seeing are out unbelievably shocking.
Total families just disseminated more Jews killed on Saturday and Sunday since the Holocaust.
There's never including the Yom Kippur War.
Uh there was never this kind of atrocity.
So the Netanyahu government is going into an emergency government coalition which will show a united front, and they're talking about an invasion of Gaza or a siege of Gaza.
They've already cut the power.
So here's what you gotta watch in the media.
Whilst a lot of the media initially is sympathetic to the plight of Israel and you had the the Israeli flag, you know, shown on uh the Eiffel Tower and the number 10 Downing Street, but then the Prime Minister of Great Britain says Israel needs to only respond proportional.
It's called proportionality, it's a legal standard.
Which is absurd because proportional here was they went in and they killed innocents.
So Israel's not going to do that.
The question's going to be when Israel starts taking offensive action, which it will be tonight, uh, in morning their time, what will the media start doing then?
You think it's bad now, Sean?
Wait until the Israelis start taking action.
Well, I we expect it, and uh I'm expected to be on the air a long time tonight to be very blunt with you.
Uh, because of what we believe will be Israel's fierce response.
They they have told everybody, they've telegraphed the world, they've told innocent people to get out.
Um in the process, you know, there are over a hundred hostages held there.
Uh, and you know, unlike you know, Joe Biden, I don't think there's going to be any ransom opportunities to to get save the lives of these innocent people.
Look, the Israelis have always been um good uh I've done them with Israel before.
Uh Gilead Shalit, uh the soldier that was kidnapped and held hostage.
I've done hostage negotiations in the greater Middle East, but I will tell you the difference here, Sean, is that's when you have one or two.
Here you have, they're saying now it could be two hundred, it could be four hundred, who knows.
I mean, I saw this sort of video of a twelve-year-old kid being taken hostage.
I mean, it's just hey, Jay, there's a report in business today that Hamas is threatening to begin broadcasting the executions of these hostages.
Here's the horrible part, and I hate saying this.
So I'm take it for the way I'm saying it.
The hostages are almost a lost cause.
I hate even saying that, Sean, but in the reality of the scope of what is going about to happen, they will use the hostages as human ste shields.
They will start executing the hostages.
Hamas has said we will um entertain a peace, uh truce now.
That's what they said.
After they've slaughtered a thousand Israeli civilians, including babies and grandmothers, they're now saying because their powers been cut off and their water's been shut off, now they want a truce.
And you gotta watch the whole world here.
And while the situ the plight with the hostages is horrific, and I'm praying and I'm thinking of everything we can do to help, you know, work on releases, it's not likely.
Okay, let's just be I'm giving you the bold blunt truth.
It's not likely.
Thirty countries may have hostages here.
Thirty.
They're saying it could be from thirty other countries.
Germany, we know, France, we know, UK, we know, United States, we know, Poland, we know.
But there are others.
So if you're talking about a siege or an invasion, which is what they're talking about happening this evening and early morning, you you're you know, the hostages are you know, they're gonna be used as human shields.
I I don't think the Israeli this can't happen again.
You've got to eradicate Hamas.
We eradicated ISIS for the most part.
And now we gotta the Israelis have got to and that may mean taking back Gaza as awful as you won't nobody wants to take Gaza back, but you might have to do it.
I've been to the Sarut as the uh is the border town of Gaza, you know, and and kids can't even play outdoors because of its close proximity to Gaza and the ten thousand rockets that have been fired in ten years into this one city.
And and I went to the police station.
I saw I saw the remains of these rockets.
The night before we got there, the the the city got hit with uh rockets, and we saw the aftermath of that.
And kids playing underground playgrounds because they can't there's not enough time to get them into a shelter, God forbid if they fire a rocket.
It's gonna be there almost instantaneously.
Four seconds from the time of launch to the time of impact, and Sean, I've been there when the rockets have fallen.
I am we've been there when it was fallen too, and it's not it's uh when you go there one day and you come back the next day, and you know, a car that you passed by is blown up in the street, it's a little little unnerving.
I'm wearing cufflinks right now that I had done uh during Operation Castlet.
I was there negotiating the release of a Christian family that was stuck in Gaza that was the head of the Palestinian Bible Society, Christian, and he was uh stabbed forty-one times by Hamas in broad daylight, and then the local uh cleric, the Imam, came to take the family's children away, and they were uh ages three, five, and she was pregnant.
And we have the help of the Israelis, we got her out.
But that was one person.
We had incoming rockets that day.
One landed about forty yards from where Jordan was.
We picked up Shrapnel, put him in a uh cufflinks that I'm wearing today, uh, which are in the shape of the Israeli flag, with the but I have the shrapnel in it as a reminder of what goes on for Israelis every day.
But now you're talking about 900 murdered Israelis, uh, at least maybe a thousand, I'm sure it's gonna be more than that.
And we're looking at a possible ground invasion or a siege, which needs to happen.
And the world opinion, you talked about the media, is gonna change.
What you need to do, and I know you're great at it, is continuing to raise the banner of freedom and liberty and life, which is exactly what is well.
Let me ask you this.
If you get cancer, you gotta go to the root cause of the cancer, the root cause of the cancer, we all know as a little country called the Ron.
Yep.
Hamas is just a proxy for Iran.
Hezbollah, even though one Shia and one Sunni doesn't matter.
They're funding both.
Because the great evil is, you know, the little Satan's Israel, the big Satan is the United States.
But they are just look, Hamas is just an Iranian proxy.
So going into Gaza's one thing, taking out Iran may be the next thing.
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Uh as we continue.
It's almost becoming inevitable as you know, we keep reading report after report after report that they're that close to getting nuclear weapons and the pursuit is never stopped.
Now, I I can't imagine the Mulls in Iran having that type of weaponry in their hands because why do I believe with their sick, twisted, ugly ideology and their back against the wall, even though their own citizens hate them, uh, that they would use them.
Here's the thing if you mutually assured destruction's not gonna work in their minds, in my view.
Listen, the I people are if you're you gotta be really naive to think that the Ayatollah they want to bring back the next caliphate.
And they want to bring back the the the next spiritual leader, and this is how they do it.
So of course they would use it.
But uh Israel will not let Iran get a nuclear weapon, and frankly, I know the Saudis have said, you know, Israel needs to not do anything here.
They have to say that for their own population, but trust me, the Gulf Gulf State Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia as well, they want Iran stopped, and Hamas is just the proxy of Iran.
But listen, this is gonna bring at the ACLJ, we've got a complicated, it's a complicated legal structure in these international tribunals.
But Sean, what I want to let your audience know today is that we are engaging on all fronts on the lawfare side of this, because what happens in these situations is Israel comes um under unbelievable uh bombardment, unbelievable pol political bombardment, and unbelievable legal.
How do you expect with the UN that is historically anti-Semitic and anti-American that you can have an impact even there?
And if you look at the human rights council, I mean they they put countries that have the worst human rights abuses on record on this council.
Yeah, Iran's sharing it right now.
You get you know what though?
It's a hostile environment, but you gotta go.
You gotta go.
It's called the Ministry of Presence.
Sometimes you just gotta be there.
Now here's the interesting thing.
We are three countries away in Europe from get your getting the European Council to stop funding Hamas, or the Gaza as they call it.
Three countries away.
It was more than that a week ago, it was more than that a month ago.
But now we've just got Denmark, Luxembourg, and Ireland.
If those three countries join the rest of the civilized world, and you shut the money supply off, and then go after Iran, that's where you gotta do it.
So you've got to go to these international tribunals, even when it's not pleasant, and believe me, it is not pleasant.
I agree with you too.
Uh, I think a lot of this is because of the normalization of relations that has been pending with the Saudis and the Israelis.
No question.
No question about it.
I think that's a big part of it.
So look, we're hearing the same thing that tonight is going to be the night, and you know, Prime Minister Netanyahu has has just laid it out for the country that this he expects a long protracted war, that they will win.
Yep.
And they will, but it's going to be long and protracted, and it's going to get ugly, and the world's going to come against Israel.
And we've got Israel's friends like you, like me, have to do everything in our power in our spheres to make sure that people understand what's really happened here.
Yeah.
All right, Jay Seculah, thank thank you, American Center for Law and Justice.
Appreciate you being with us.
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In a minute, we'll check in with Congressman Mike Lawler of New York, uh, just decimated uh Circle Back Gen Saki, who's just absolutely clueless when it comes to the six billion dollars in this this ransom payment that the Biden administration made in this ridiculous deal with Iran.
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So over the weekend, circle back Gensaki, it's in what is nothing short of a bizarre exchange over the six billion dollars in ransom that the the deal that that Joe Biden made with uh Iran as a means of getting the five hostages out.
Now, there are there's certain nuances that you got to pay attention to.
Okay, sure.
We'll we'll pay attention to them.
Uh Newton wants number one, that money had to leave Seoul, South Korea, where Donald Trump had had kept that money locked up on unavailable to them the entire time he was president, and so that money was then moved to uh Qatar.
Okay, fine, it's in Qatar.
Well, don't forget uh that groups like uh Hamas uh linked to Iran also have influence in Qatar.
They say it's only for humanitarian reasons.
Okay, well, the money hasn't been released yet.
But remember what the Iranian president told Lester Holt on MBC News that that he said that Tehran will spend the six billion released in this prisoner exchange wherever we need it.
And then of course the Iranian president said he plans to use it again, wherever we need it.
Quoted widely, all over the place.
I don't think he's a biding by any oh, this has to be used for humanitarian purposes argument.
Now the fact of the matter is that's money that, okay, they'll request for request for infrastructure, uh health assistance with whatever need or capacity, but that then frees Up six billion dollars uh that they'd otherwise be spending on those projects uh for fomenting more terror.
They are the world's number one state sponsor of terror.
I don't know why this is hard for them to understand.
I don't know why it's hard to understand when you give ransom for hostages, you end up with more hostages.
You know, now we have Hamas threatening to execute the hostages they took over the weekend on live television while simultaneously requesting truce truce discussions.
What after they attacked and Israel's on the verge of decimating them?
Oh, now all of a sudden you want to have a truce discussion?
I don't think so.
Anyway, here's how that exchange went down on MSDNC.
Uh obviously, in this instance, we traded uh those uh folks that we had been holding uh uh in exchange for hostages, and that in addition to that, the Biden administration uh released six billion dollars in sanctioned Iranian funds.
The problem is, Jen, when you do that, uh money is fungible, and so Iran is able to shift other resources uh that it otherwise would not have been able to do.
They are the greatest with those.
Because what you just stated is an accurate state sponsor of the government.
Congressman, the funding does not go to Iranian hands, it goes to approved third party vendors who provide humanitarian support.
I did want to ask you though, Congressman, because the Trump administration is a very important thing.
With all due respect, Jen, Jen, with all due respect, you're not listening to what I just said.
The bottom line is when you are releasing sanctioned funds that uh that goes to Iran ultimately, okay, whether you want to say it is to purchase uh food and clothing and other humanitarian uh relief, the bottom line is money is fungible, and you are freeing up other resources they would otherwise have needed to spend uh on such efforts.
And they are the greatest state sponsor of terrorism, period.
And we just have a difference of opinion on how they should be handled.
I believe this administration has been weak when it comes to Iran.
I think they have tried to appease Iran.
They have also tried to force Israel when it comes to Saudi Arabia to acquiesce to the Palestinians.
Anyway, Mike Lawler joins us now.
Sir, how are you?
I'm doing well, Sean.
Thanks for having me.
Okay, why is there this obsession?
If you look at the history of you know the Obama Biden administration and this idiotic, you know, nuclear deal that they came together with in July of twenty fifteen and the billions and dollars involved involved in that.
You know, remember there was we never had as part of that deal, there were no American inspectors ever even allowed on to step foot in Iran.
There was never allowed any place, any time inspective in that deal.
So you give him billions of dollars to the number one state sponsor of terror.
Donald Trump wipes that deal off the off the map and says, No, we're not abiding by this.
And now here's Joe Biden.
He's as as president almost from day one, wants to go back to this idiotic deal, and somehow naively believes that the six billion that is entrust with Qatar is gonna be only used for humanitarian purposes.
How stupid are these people?
Well, i it's really amazing to watch.
You know, the Obama administration's uh appeasement of uh Iran, of Syria, of Russia, uh obviously was a disaster.
And when the Trump administration came on board, they cut up the Iran deal, they implemented the Taylor Force Act uh to cut off uh aid to the Palestinian authority, uh and they're pay to slay of Israeli citizens, uh, and they uh forged the Abraham Accords.
You get Joe Biden, you get the disastrous withdrawal in Afghanistan.
He tries to revive the Iran uh nuclear deal.
Uh Russia invades Ukraine, and now you have Hamas trying to wipe Israel off the face of the earth as a proxy for Iran.
Uh it is total insanity.
This administration has been a failure on foreign policy uh like we've never seen.
Uh and their attempts at uh bringing Saudi Arabia to the table uh would uh uh were focused on making Israel acquiesce to the Palestinians.
Uh total insanity.
So what we're dealing with right now, I think uh obviously we need to uh support Israel every which way we can.
We need to increase funding for the Iron Dome.
We need to uh move military equipment to help them.
Uh and I think we need to make it abundantly clear.
Either you stand with Israel in the United States or you stand with Iran and Hamas.
That's your choice.
And uh our allies across the globe need to be prepared to push back uh very forcefully against uh the totalitarian regime in Iran and what they uh uh what they are doing here.
The six billion dollars that this administration gave uh is shameful, it's disgusting, and it needs to be reversed.
Uh apparently Gensaki and and uh Democrats don't understand the fact that money is fungible.
You by giving them six billion dollars, you're freeing up six billion dollars that they otherwise would have had to spend on those humanitarian efforts to use to fund terrorism.
They are the biggest state sponsor of terror uh and continue to be uh uh you know focused on one objective wiping Israel off the face of the earth and then coming for the United States.
What should the response be here now that we especially know that Iran was actively involved in the plotting, the planning, the scheming, and even providing weaponry that was used to attack Israel.
What what should our respon you know, what is the response to Iran gonna be here?
How are they going to be held accountable?
Well, the six billion dollars should immediately be pulled back.
That deal should be null and void uh and that money those assets refrozen.
Uh in terms of Iran, we need to be clear eyed on this.
Uh they are looking to get nuclear weapons to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
When I was in Israel earlier this year uh with Speaker McCarthy, we met with uh Prime Minister Netanyahu, and he made it very clear the reason he is back uh is to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon and get Saudi Arabia to the table uh to normalize relations.
Uh this administration, uh, by their their dereliction of duty uh has uh put us on the precipice of all out war in the Middle East, uh and they have made it extremely unlikely uh that we will be able uh to forge peace because they have not uh kept to the Abraham Accords.
They have not sought to grow them in the way that uh they should have been once enacted by President Trump.
Uh and so it is critically important that we take uh Iran on, that we stop them from getting a nuclear weapon.
Uh the idea that the Biden administration was was looking at a new Iran nuclear deal uh just a year ago uh is total lunacy.
Well, it is total lunacy, but at some point here I mean I'd like to see Congress stop the funds.
I'd like to see it sent back to to South Korea and put it in a bank in South Korea and get cutter out of this.
Is that possible?
I think we obviously we need to get a speaker so that we can start taking action uh as quickly as possible.
I think we should look at every avenue uh to reverse that agreement.
Uh there's a reason we put sanctions in place uh and you don't unfreeze these sanctions as part of uh a hostage negotiation.
I have a bill, uh the SHIP Act, which already has over two hundred sponsors that would further sanction Iranian petroleum and any country, and specifically China, uh the biggest uh user of Iranian petroleum, uh that purchases, transfers, uh refines Iranian petroleum.
We need to crack down on Iran uh along with with China, Russia, and North Korea, this unholy alliance that has been entered into is meant to destabilize and undermine the United States and our allies, and you're seeing the result of it right now with Hamas's terrorist attack in Israel.
So how important is it for the House to get this speaker situation resolved moving forward?
Well, uh this is unprecedented uh and I think the longer this drags on uh the more uh instability there is and and you know the Speaker Pro Tem uh has never uh been put in place before since nine eleven.
So this idea uh of being able to act is very suspect and there's a lot of questions about what uh you know uh power the Speaker Pro Tem has.
So it's critically important We get a speaker in place and get focused on the issues that the American people elected us to govern on, from spending to the border, uh, to now this crisis in Israel.
Uh we have a lot of work to do, and we cannot be putzing around uh trying to work through this process.
All afternoon I've been discussing with everybody the root cause of all of this, and that is Iran.
What should the world's response to Iran be here, considering now we have all the evidence you'd ever want or need of their involvement in the plotting and planning, scheming, funding of all this?
They are the biggest state sponsor of terrorism uh between Hamas and Hezbollah.
Uh they have uh continually uh provided the funding and the support uh for them to carry out attacks on the state of Israel as a proxy.
Uh we need to be prepared to take on uh the the uh Mullahs and uh the government over in Iran and hold them accountable.
And I think Netanyahu made it very clear when we met with him in uh May.
He would never allow Iran to get nuclear weapons.
And I think we are on the verge of a major conflict uh in in order to prevent Iran from ever getting nuclear weapons.
And that ultimately does the U.S. play, and and how do we possibly play a role considering the outright hostility that our current president seems to have towards Prime Minister Netanyahu.
This has been uh a major challenge and and consternation.
Uh, you know, BB has not been invited here uh, you know, prior to uh President Herzog coming uh just a few months ago.
Uh and I I think the administration, President Biden needs to make it abundantly clear uh that there is no daylight between us and Israel, uh, and that w he will support uh the state of Israel and do everything uh in his power and that of Congress uh to provide Israel with the weapons, with the equipment, uh, with the financial support, and if necessary, military support, uh, to win this war.
Uh this is a war of good versus evil.
Uh, and nobody should uh uh think otherwise.
Uh Israel must be successful and in it, the United States must stand with them, shoulder to shoulder.
All right.
Anyway, Congressman Lawler, we appreciate it.
I thought you did a good job with Jensaki.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, Sean.
Appreciate it.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
Uh we've got a great Hannity tonight.
We got every angle covered.
We have reporters on the ground in Israel tonight.
Uh Peter Ducy, what the heck happened at the White House?
Uh we have former Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo will be on tonight.
Uh Kevin McCarthy uh will join us on this issue.
I guess we'll ask him a little bit about what's going on in the speaker's race.
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