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We're going to be joined by Congressman and officially now candidate to be the next speaker of the House, uh, Jim Jordan of Ohio will check in with us.
Uh we have this problem with Joe and Joe Biden.
Uh their dog now had to be removed from the White House.
Uh, this time attacking a Biden staffers after they have already attacked, this dog is attacked and bitten.
Secret Service agents.
The dog's name is Commander, and he's been involved in more biting incidents than previously reported by the White House, according to multiple sources out today.
The U.S. service has acknowledged eleven reported biting incidents involving their personnel, and sources said the real numbers higher and includes executive residence staff and other houseworkers.
I mean, this dog is on a fighting binge, the likes of which we've never seen.
And it's a German Shepherd.
It's not like a small dog, like a little baby wolf.
By the way, every dog is like a baby wolf.
So there's this dog trainer guy that's on uh in an article on Fox News.com.
And is I I love these guys because it's never the dog's fault, actually, believe it or not.
It's everyone said, oh, the dog.
Well, well, sometimes people breed dogs to be bad.
Um, and you know, some people remember that crazy, you know, dog fighting was popular at different points in time.
Michael Vick got involved in that.
I know he regretted it, and I know he's changed his ways, but um, I'm not trying to drag up anything against him.
I always I thought he was a great quarterback.
Anyway, so there's this renowned dog trainer by the name of Tom Davis.
I don't know who he is, but he knows what he's talking about.
And he says it's a lack of leadership boundaries and structure that has led to Biden's dog go on this biting spree.
And then he goes on to say, you know, there's no such thing as a podcast titled No Bad Dogs, and specializes in improving the behavior of the nation's most aggressive canines.
And then he goes on to say, he goes, if if somebody bit eleven times, you know, since he was brought to the premises, he goes, they got a problem here.
And he said, you know, he works with aggressive and antisocial dogs at a facility in upstate New York.
And now he assessed it is, you know, citing his work experience.
He said the dog's been put in an unfair environment to be successful.
Ten out of eleven biting incidents have happened in a span of only four months.
So for me, it's it's it's wrong dog for the wrong person, the wrong place.
You've got to consider you have to train these dogs.
Anyway, Jim Jordan, Congressman Ohio is with us.
How's your voice holding up?
It's it's surviving, Sean.
You you you talk probably more than any person, so you know what this is like, but yeah, we got the throat locking years and a few other things going, but we're doing fine.
Nicole uh, I hate to tell you when I would go on the road and uh I I used to have to keep my vocal cords to reduce the inflammation.
You know, I got prescribed a number of times prednisone, which is the worst medicine on the face of the earth.
You you feel flush and bloated, uh have a voracious appetite.
You can't sleep, it sucks.
Um but anyway, but it does it does lower the inflammation in your vocal cords.
I hope you don't have to get to that point.
Uh anyway, great to have you.
Um you're in the ring.
Now you had an opportunity the other night to give me the exclusive and you didn't give it to me.
What was up with that?
Because I am supporting and endorsing your candidacy.
Well I appreciate that Sean.
Well look uh the other night when I was on your show we were scheduled to be on and that was a that was Kevin McCarthy.
I didn't feel like it was it was I just think it was right for me to go out and say I'm I'm running for a job when when we just had done just what had happened to to Kevin.
So and and frankly um Steve Scalisa called me then later that night um and said that uh he wanted to meet the next morning.
I thought it was important for me to go meet with Steve and tell him I was going to run and then announce publicly and start making phone calls to my colleagues and touch my my colleagues.
So that's why we did it that way.
I thought that was the right way to do things.
I still think it was the right way to do things.
Um and so uh but we're running and look this this two fundamental questions Sean.
Two fundamental questions who can unite the conference who can bring our team back together question number one.
I think I can do that.
Second, who can who can go tell the American people what we're doing and why it's important to them and I think I can do that.
If if I didn't if I thought someone else could handle those two things I wouldn't run.
I like the job I have as chairman of the judiciary committee doing the oversight we've been doing but I think those two fundamental questions I think I'm the guy who can bring our team back together and then go tell the country why it's important that we're getting things done for them and their family and that's why I'm running.
I know that you've been on the phone nonstop uh what is the reaction you're getting I mean you have all these varying factions in the House and every Republican needs to understand and I believe this to be true that you're either going to succeed together or fail together and th this caucus, this conference has got to stay united and uh but yet you have a more moderate wing of the Republican Party.
You got to deal with them.
You've got eighteen members that live that represent districts that Joe Biden won then you've got the Tuesday group then you got the study group and then of course you're one of the founders of the Freedom Caucus of which I am most aligned politically with so you got varying factions here and to bring them together it's gonna be difficult.
However if they don't unite they will they will fail together that's a certainty.
Yeah no that if we do have to unite and I I said this back in January uh the week of January when we nominated the speaker I said that you know any can any differences between Republicans are pretty minor compared to the differences between us and the left which now controls the other party.
So let's let's get together and stop where they want to take the nation.
I will tell you this I got I got support from Scott Perry who's chairman of the Freedom Caucus all the way to Jeff Van Drew who is was a Democrat four years ago and switched parties is now a great member of our Republican conference and all kinds of people in between so I feel like the the support is just continues to grow as we continue to touch base and talk to uh colleagues about those two fundamental questions that I said earlier.
Who can unite the party and who can go tell the country what we're doing.
Let's talk about what you know the this rule the one member rule the the motion to vacate rule.
Now I have spoken to Mac Gates um about this and and he's he's even put it out on Twitter you know if he gets the things that he's looking for which you know I think we're all in agreement on everything from term limits um to he wants to end lobbying but he also wants secure borders uh balanced budgets and moving towards a balanced budget amendment and and regular order and process and appropriations bills.
So the process I as I understand it I'm I guess on Tuesday you will all get together and I guess the conference will have an opportunity to ask you and Steve Scalise and maybe if anyone else gets in these questions um do you have any sense of talking to members where they stand with you and and how many are going to support you?
Well I I think the number continues to grow as as we're making calls.
I I feel good I feel like the momentum is is on our our side uh I agree with all those those positions but the the reality is we got we got to deal with Chuck Schumer running the United States Senate we got to deal with Joe Biden in the White House and so that's it's tough to get all we want.
But we should send good legislation over there and then go tell the country, hey, take up our legislation.
You can amend it, you can change it.
That's how the process works.
But take it up.
Just don't yell a great example is our border security immigration enforcement bill.
We all know this is the pressing issue in the country today.
This is HR two.
Yeah, we sent a we sent a bill over there months ago.
Mark it up if you want.
Change it, amend it.
And then we'll go to conference committee, we'll fight it out and then we'll see what the final product is.
And we can see if we got the votes for that.
That's how American government works.
And as Churchill said, it's the worst form of government except for all the others.
So let's do the process.
That's how this this great nation operates.
And if we do that, we'll get some of what we want.
But if we don't even engage in the debate and demand that they bring up the stuff we send, we're not going to get anything.
And that's what I think I can be effective at doing to help the to help the country.
You see what frustrates me in at a lot of this and this is why I I really want republicans united because you know this is the one conservative branch of government and and frankly I want all the pressure if you guys pass, you know, budgets that that begin to get this country into onto more stable financial you know footings, then I think that that's good for the country.
Every American's now feeling the the horrors of this economy of Joe Biden.
Uh if we deal with energy, if we deal with borders or we do deal with law and order, you know, those are the bread and butter issues that that really will impact elections on the American people, I believe that's also the path that the American people have chosen when they put you guys in power and I think that you know taking your principles, passing bills and handing them off to the Senate, let the press pressure end up on them.
When people have to call the Capitol, let them call the their U.S. Senator rather than their U.S. representative.
Yeah w what if we would pass a spending bill with a no shutdown act on it and we say, okay, here's a bill that funds the government but you know what?
We're going to take this shutdown politics off the table.
After all it's a bipartisan bill.
Why won't you guys take that up?
And they go, oh you know think about think about how the the the excuses they'll try to come up with that is so clear.
A bill that says if you don't have the the the bills done that you're supposed to have done at the end of the fiscal year, then you just stay here and work.
I love what Senator Langford said.
He said it's just like a kid in school if you don't get your classwork done you stay after class and complete it.
That's what this bill says and while you're completing it the government just stays funded at its current level.
You don't increase it like Democrats want.
You don't decrease it like Republicans want you stay there and iron it out and figure out how how you're going to fund the government and how you're going to get the policies that need to h need to happen for the American people.
That's how our system works.
But we don't do that.
We don't so that's the kind of stuff I would want to get in place.
So you take off this the shutdown scenario always empowers the leaders.
It's what it's what Senator Schumer wants.
It's what Joe Biden wants because they get to throw all kinds of things on the bill oh take it or they're going to shut down the government.
No let's get that off the table and let's do what we're supposed to do.
Yeah boy he'd be afraid of that that I can tell you.
What should the motion to vacate bill what what should that rule look like should there even be that rule?
A Republican speaker should be accountable to the Republican conference to Republican members and to the voters they represent that's how it that's how it works.
So I think if our conference wants to change the motion to vacate God bless them let's change it.
But I if I'm speaker, I'm I'm not going to go go to Democrats to make that change because it's a House vote has to happen on the full House.
So we're going to have to have two hundred and eighteen Republicans who want to make that change.
If we can do that I think that makes sense.
I think that is the right way to do it.
Be accountable you you should be accountable.
You should be accountable to the Republican I'll tell you right now if you become speaker you'll be speaker for fifteen months and no more and either you'll be voted in speaker again or if Republicans don't follow through on their promises and really show a distinct difference in the way they'd govern versus Democrats we might be talking about a minority leader instead of m uh speaker.
Well said it's why we got to come together do what we told the American people we were going to do and then go then go talk to them.
Tell them why it's important and and explain what I just explained to you.
A no a no shutdown bill on on the on the on the spending bill that would be such a good move.
So we're not always in this in every year in this shutdown scenario.
It would be so good.
But you've got to be willing to go communicate in a frank and honest way with the voters.
And that's what I think I can do if I'm given the opportunity to be speaker.
How does this play out?
Is it going to be Tuesday you all meet?
You get questioned by members.
You'll be in a vote conference together.
Do you believe the vote will first vote will take place and hopefully the last vote will take place on Tuesday, or is that more likely to occur on Wednesday?
There'll be a vote in the conference, but I think we, you know, we sh we shouldn't go to the floor unless we got 218 votes for a speaker.
Um I I just think that makes sense versus you know what happened in January is we had 15 rounds of this.
So I think I think I think that makes that makes sense.
So let's iron out it.
Let's figure it out.
Let's come together.
Let's go out to the floor, elect a speaker with 218 Republican votes, and then let's get on with the people's business.
You know, there's a scene in Braveheart where Sir Robert the Bruce is talking alone.
Uh Mr. Sir Wallace, may I speak with you alone?
And then William Wallace says, unite us.
You night you lead them, lead them, and they'll follow you, and so will I. And that's what I think people are looking for in a speaker.
And I have no criticisms right now of Kevin.
He's been through a lot.
Uh, I think it's very hard when you have such a tiny majority to keep people together.
It just is.
And and you had personality issues to it, and forget it.
It's like you know, these these blow ups are, you know, somewhat incidental at times, but um the law the more that Republicans see that they've got to stay together and hold the line, the better off I think you're all gonna be.
I'll give you the last word.
No, I I I couldn't have said it any better.
That that is so true.
You know, remember where the left wants to take us.
I love what Sarah Huckabee Sanders said when she said that the divide in America today is normal versus crazy, and there are all these crazy policies the left has when it comes to crime, when it comes to our border, when it comes to non-citizens voting, you can just go down the list.
So if we don't come together, it's just it how do we stop and prevent where they want to take the nation?
And that that's what's fundamental why I'm running.
All right.
Uh take care of your voice, Ricola.
Hopefully, you don't need the medicine.
Jim Jordan, uh, Ohio Congressman now running for speaker.
Um, I hope this is all done by this time next week, sir.
Yeah, let's hope so.
Take care, brother.
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I mean, you talk about the gang that can't shoot straight.
You know, this whole disaster on immigration today and the back and forth of the Biden administration on immigration.
I mean, it's it's literally dizzying, especially when you factor in all the lies that they've been telling us here to four, which is oh no, no, no, the borders are secure, borders are secure.
In a second, I'm gonna play all this for you and and get you up to speed.
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I don't even know which way my head should be spinning here.
You know, Karine Jean-Pierre calling a border wall ineffective that can't even withstand heavy winds.
Well, first of all, she's obviously never been there.
Uh, saying that a border wall is not effective policy.
Uh now, this this all comes on the heels of what this administration announced that they said they are going to waive 26 laws in South Texas to allow the border wall construction uh as of yesterday.
And the Department of Homeland Security posted the announcement on the U.S. Federal Registry detailing and outlining the construction in Star County, Texas, part of the very busy border patrol sector, the seeing a very high percentage of illegal entry.
And uh and now they're saying now Joe Biden is out there even saying today that no, no, I didn't really mean that.
Now these are the same idiots.
Just keep following the bouncing ball.
Play all the cuts of all of them, you know, also telling us the borders closed and the borders secure.
I mean, they're all nuts.
Listen.
And instead of providing the needed resources for more border security technology and asylum officers and judges, it would waste taxpayer dollars on an ineffective wall.
Again, an ineffective wall that can't even withstand heavy winds, let alone sophisticated criminal smuggling networks.
Uh, but we have talked about the border wall here in in general, as as a way uh that uh it's been used in in a to to you know to to close the border, and we feel that it is a policy that doesn't work, and it's not just us.
Uh, you know, experts have said that.
Uh, the border wall is not uh is not an effective policy.
Settles to most folks like a crisis.
Well, look, it's way down now.
We've now gotten control.
Precisely that.
The border is closed, nor could I have been clearer and continue to be so, which is the border is closed.
The United States will continue to enforce our laws and secure our border.
The border, um, we are working to make the border more secure.
You're confident this border is secure.
We have a secure border, and that that is a priority for any nation, including ours and our administration.
We agree that uh the border is secure.
Now who could possibly keep up with this madness?
I mean, it's absolute at this point insanity, which is pretty much all that you know I would expect from you know these these people in Washington.
It's pretty unbelievable to me.
All right, joining us now to weigh in on all this.
I don't know if he can keep up with it, and he's one of the smartest guys in DC.
Uh Senator Ramp Paul, looking forward to his book, by the way, that will be exposing Anthony Fauci and a lot of lies told to all of us on the issue of COVID.
We'll get to that in a second.
All right, so I think they're lying again to us.
They've been lying to us, Senator, when they said that the border is secure.
They've lied to us when they said the border's closed.
Now our eyes don't deceive us, Senator.
We all see the disaster.
We expect by the end end of this year some eight million illegal immigrants will be in the country.
And now they they're willing to go through the difficult task of lifting these environmental restrictions, announcing it, and now condemning their own words and contradicting their own self and trying to say, well, the Donald Trump fa Donald Trump's fault.
This this was money he appropriated.
I have to spend it.
You don't have to change environmental laws, do you?
Well, you know, the interesting thing is until a few weeks ago, if you went to a dinner party with Democrat or left-leaning friends, they would say it didn't exist, there was no problem.
But you know, then a few people showed up in New York, and now the mayor of New York sounds like he should be a commentator on Fox News, you know, he's worried about immigration.
So something happens.
It ha has happened.
There's been a sea change.
The Democrats are come I think they've quit denying that there's no problem and nothing to see here, and actually are admitting that there is a problem now that they're seeing it in front of their face.
Um will they be serious about fixing it?
You know, it there's a certain amount of irony that Biden's building Trump's wall for him.
So it is it is kind of uh a little bit uh, you know, fun to watch the idea that he's actually gonna spend Well he's saying it, but then on the other hand, he's speaking out of the other side of his mouth today, saying that walls aren't effective.
Then then why would he lift the environmental restrictions?
That's not part of the funding deal.
They're they're making that decision.
So if he really didn't think the wall was gonna work, rather than just admit that their policy is a disaster, which they'll never gonna do because they've lied to us the whole time, you know, th they tried to just kind of thread the needle here, build the wall, but tell us it's ineffective and we shouldn't be doing it, uh, and we're gonna lift all these environmental restrictions that would have prevented us from doing it.
Well, the Republicans on the appropriation committee informed us last week, they talked about this as part of the continuing spending resolution, they were gonna try to fix some of this because the border wall money, which I think they were saying was a little over six hundred million, was being spent and evaporated on a daily basis, basically on pet environmental projects, not on avoiding or getting rid of environmental rule, but basically by passing the money out to the environmental lobbyist.
And so this is where the money was going, it was bleeding very rapidly, and they thought at the rate of spending that the six hundred million would be gone in a month or two.
So there is a question whether this is a paid and switch.
Is he really going to do something on the walls, you really can do something on border security, or is this a cover for continuing spending the money on left wing causes?
And I think you're right to be doubtful that they may not be being forthright with us, but uh we'll see.
But it is still kind of funny to think of Biden actually trying to complete uh Trump's wall for him.
It is has a little bit of a humorous note to it.
Uh it really does.
But I will tell you it's a disaster.
And I'm gonna tell you the thing that that we have discussed before, and my greatest fear in all of this is on top of the money, which is astronomical.
I mean, New York City alone, and they're only talking about a hundred and fifty thousand, a relatively small number of people compared to you know what Texas is dealing with and border states are dealing with ev each and every day.
Um, and and they're saying in the next eighteen months they're gonna spend twelve billion dollars.
Now they're they're they're putting illegal immigrants in expensive hotels, three hundred and fifty bucks a night.
Uh they're building ten cities.
That's not gonna last through the winter.
Uh no way, no how.
Um and so the policies, you know, but I I will say the one thing that seems to have gotten the attention of everybody is is Governor Abbott and and Senator I'm sorry, Governor DeSantis and others sending Illegal immigrants to sanctuary states and cities and saying you you wanted them, they're yours.
It's amazing how liberals sort of see the light when they actually see the problem up close.
You know, the ones that were sent to Nantucket sure woke up those uh snotty left wing people out there.
Those snotty left wing people had them off that island in less than twenty-four hours.
Yeah.
And the thing is is you have to really imagine what it's like for a city like El Paso or Laredo or Brownsville, uh, Texas.
They've been dealing with this, you know, it's worse now under Biden, but they've been dealing with this influx for a long, long time.
And I can remember ten, fifteen years ago, the people talking about the hospitals there, and so many people coming over, you know, fully ready to have their child, and just the inundation of the O B wing of these hospitals with migrants coming in and having their children in Texas, and uh just overwhelms the the hospitals, it overwhelms the streets.
And um, you know, they've been shipping them silently to red states, and that's what Biden's been doing, basically.
You know, there were the reports of shipping them at one and two in the morning to different rural areas.
So I've it's a hundred percent confirmed.
We've got our we sent our cameras and we watch them get off the planes in the dark of night in obscure airports, like in New York, they'll land in White Plains, or they'll land out in Long Island rather than LaGuardia or Kennedy, for example.
Yeah, and so now that people are actually seeing them in the city, uh, you know, they're starting to sense this real problem.
But I don't know, maybe this could ultimately unite the population.
I think the Democrat politicians are aren't fully aware of of really needing to do anything yet.
They resist any call for any kind of border security.
But it's going to be part of all these spending battles now, because i if the if the House majority, and it's a small majority, but if they could use their leverage to just say no, you know, we're not going to pass anything, continuing resolution or otherwise, unless there's border security on it, we could regain the power of the purse.
But the one way you get the power of the purse is you have to have twelve individual spending bills.
If you put them all together in one, there's never enough courage.
Oh, we gotta give in, we've got to give in, we're getting bad press.
But if you had twelve individual bills, maybe the one bill that deals with border security, you hold that and you hold it until the Democrats finally give in and do something about it.
All right, quick break more with Senator Rampla on the other side.
All right, we continue now with Senator Rampola, Kentucky.
Well, let me ask you about this.
Uh let's get your take on what's been going on in the House.
I'm worried about spending in the U.S. Senate.
I'm worried about the deals Mitch McConnell cuts.
I know he's your friend.
I know he's from the same state.
I don't know how far you want to go with it, but I have found too much of a willingness over there to go forward with omnibus bills, continuing resolutions, you know, um and and and keeping to these idiotic spending levels that gave us two trillion in additional debt this last year alone.
Yeah, without question, the House is more conservative, and you'll get a more conservative approach.
So I haven't voted for many continuing resolutions.
I'm not sure if I voted for one ever, but I would have voted for the one that Chip Roy and those guys worked on because it had uh it had um border solutions.
By the way, that says a lot.
You know, you know what my goal was to get it in your hands and Mike Lee's hands and Ted Cruz's hands and put some pressure in your body.
Well, this is what I told them.
It's also a hot potato.
It's a potato that uh you want to pass off.
You want to do something, so pass the CR, pass it with as many policy writers as you want, send it to the Democrats, you know they're gonna strip them out, and then what happens from there is less certain because typically spending bills always pass.
They there's never a time when they don't pass, and they usually pass, and they're usually terrible, and they usually pass with unanimous Democrat support, and then the big government Republicans help them.
And it always happens in the Senate that way, but it ends up being more difficult in the House because the Republicans control the House.
Now, the one thing they could have done and might have saved McCarthy's uh speakership is I think you should have agreed to one week CRs and every week do a new appropriation bill, and after twelve weeks you'd have you really didn't even need twelve weeks.
Well, they they passed four of them, they had eight more to go.
Yeah, so you could do in eight weeks, I'd do one week CR pass an appropriation bill, because the problem is is and I can't speak for the eight who voted to vacate, but I think many of them didn't believe that he would actually put forward uh the final the the subsequent eight bills.
And in the Senate, I can tell you many of us on our side, the Republican conservatives don't believe there's really any intention to finish this that that Schumer's intention and his goal, maybe with the help of some of the big government Republicans will be another omnibus around Christmas time.
Yeah, well, we'll see.
But why do I why do I always suspect this is not going to end well for the American taxpayer?
I just I see it coming.
All right, so you got your book coming out.
How many more weeks because I got an early copy of this, and it's it's it is a devastating takedown of Anthony Fauci about the lies told the American people.
Uh about, you know, I mean, it it is the most exhaustive, uh, to be honest, uh, analysis of what really happened during COVID.
It's called Deception, the Great COVID cover up.
When is it coming out?
It's coming out next week.
We'll actually be in Manhattan up there in your neck of the woods.
We're gonna release it.
I'm sorry to hear that.
You know, you're better off in Kentucky.
Well, we're only coming for a short time because we're afraid your tax man will capture us if we're saying more than a couple of days.
But we'll be in Manhattan, then we're going to be in DC releasing it, then we have a book trip to Florida, and then one to Texas.
And uh it is an exciting time because this has really captivated uh my attention and my research skills and my wife, and we've just been obsessed with this.
And what really got us started was seeing the emails from January 31st of 2020.
These are the private emails of Fauci in private.
They were in a panic, weren't they?
In a panic, they're harried.
The emails go on until three in the morning, but they're all in a panic because they all admit, all of them are admitting to each other and discussing that it looks like the virus was manipulated in a lab, and we know that they're doing gain of function research in the Wuan lab, and we're very worried that this is where it came from.
They all conclude this until about a day later they change, and then in public, anybody who brought this up, myself, you, anybody else that brought it up, we were labeled a conspiracy theory theorist.
We were taken down from Facebook for over a year.
Facebook suppressed this knowledge as misinformation until one day you woke up and they said, Well, maybe it's true, and then all of a sudden it's allowed to be on Facebook again and Twitter.
But uh no, the book to me is fascinating going through this, but then to find out how extensive the cover-up is, it's not just Anthony Fauci.
It's Anthony Fauci, it's the CIA, it's the Defense Department, it's the State Department, it's USAID.
They're all involved in this, and they're all trying to obscure the fact that they funded this research in China, that it was dangerous, and specifically that they avoided the safety committee.
So Fauci's on January 31st, 2020, his 3 a.m. email is to the guy in charge of the safety committee, and he's basically saying nothing to see here.
And you can imagine the guy in charge of the safety committee is going, why didn't I ever see this research?
Why wasn't this ever reviewed?
This is a scandal so big, and they've all admitted to it in private.
We have the proof sitting in front of us, and yet we have American Garland and a Biden Department of Justice who just looks the other way.
Well, maybe this might open that door.
Because I I will tell you, if we don't fix uh the weaponization of our Justice Department, we're not gonna have the a constitution, a document that I know you revere.
Uh Senator Rampall, look forward to seeing you, hopefully, and uh talking to you next week, sir.
Thank you.
Thanks, Sean.
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