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Oct. 4, 2023 - Sean Hannity Show
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Hannity Reacts to McCarthy News - October 3rd, Hour 2
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A motion to vacate the chair.
the final vote is actually going on as we speak.
Uh, and that is a vote to oust speaker McCarthy, just to give you some context texture where we are in all of this is, you know, this vote is now going down, vacate the chair, uh, Brought by Matt Gates of Florida.
House is voting uh to vacate a simple majority will be needed.
The exact number of votes that it's going to take if two people that we know are missing.
Nancy Pelosi is at, I believe Diane Feinstein's funeral.
Uh you have a Republican Congresswoman from Florida recently uh had her child, and and she's not in the chamber today.
Um and anyway, so we don't know what the actual real number is, whether or not people will vote present or not, you know, that's yet to be determined.
Uh as of right now, it's it's 3229.
It's a call of the roll, meaning alphabetically using their surname.
They go through the list of all the congressmen and women, and they come to a final conclusion.
Likely to happen if I had to guess this hour.
It depends how long it takes.
It seems to be moving along pretty quickly.
Um just a couple of notes as just a couple of notes as we go through this.
So this just takes a simple majority.
Members vote from their seats.
This is what we call a verbal call of the roll.
They go through it alphabetically.
If the House adopts the motion, there is no speaker.
That would mean that Speaker McCarthy has been removed, which by the way is unprecedented.
The House will have removed a speaker for the first time in history.
By rule, the House must then elect a speaker.
No other business will take place before then.
The House can do nothing else on the floor, no bills, nothing.
You'll have basically a paralyzed body on the floor until they elect a speaker.
The House could adjourn, but that is somewhat unclear.
Now, uh part of uh and this is pretty interesting to me too.
Um, you know, part of part of what happened since 9-11 is there is a list.
Nobody knows the names of the people on this list that Kevin McCarthy has put together that would actually be a speaker pro tem that would basically be running the floor of the House in the interim while they continue to the process of electing a new speaker.
So, you know, all my contacts on the floor are telling me, and I just got another text right now, too close to call, too close to everyone's saying it's too close to call.
So um, you know, we'll we'll we'll know more, you know, probably very quickly here as as to how this all comes down.
And but you know, again, it's pretty unprecedented.
If you want the history of this is, you know, this this could go on and into a series of hour after hour, if not day after day, of consecutive votes until a speaker emerges.
There is no one name that is as of now but emerged as a potential replacement.
It is you know pretty similar to what we saw in January.
When it took five days, 15 votes to elect McCarthy, the longest speaker election since night eighteen fifty-nine.
The election of Speaker Howell Cobb of Georgia took two weeks.
That was in 1849.
The longest uh election for Speaker ran for two months, and that was 1855 to 18, you know, fifty-six, and the House finally elected Speaker Nathaniel Banks on the 133rd ballot.
Now, you certainly got to hope that that doesn't happen.
Look, I I I just stand where I've been.
You know, and and Trump tweeted this out in the middle of his own mess and trial, he tweeted out for truth social doubt.
You know, why is it Republicans are now in this position?
Now, I will concede to Matt Gates and to anybody that might be thinking of voting to vacate the chair, that the twelve appropriation bills are absolutely the process worth fighting for.
Okay, it didn't happen.
Now, with that said, as they began the process of, okay, we have to fund the government, the government shuts down.
There were really solid conservatives in the freedom caucus that put together not one but two plans that quote the people that don't like McCarthy, a lot of this is personal.
That I can tell you, because I know this the people involved in this.
For a lot of the it's personal.
And at times, you know what?
You got to put aside the personality and you just got to do what's right.
And when you have such a slim majority, it's it's gonna be tough for anybody to govern that because you have all these varying factions within the Republican caucus.
You've got the study group, you got the Tuesday group, you got the Freedom Caucus, where you know most of the people that I like the most are, um, and the Sunday group and the Saturday group and a group of moderates.
So that's what kind of made what Scott Perry and Chiproy and Byron Donald's offer in terms of CRs that then would have allowed the time to finish the appropriations process so appealing to me anyway, and that was an eight percent cut in spending for a 30-day CR, but that was the first opportunity, and yet these same conservatives voted it down.
No, we needed the appropriations bills.
Well, that would have given you the time to finish it.
Four of the twelve are now finished, and in the interim, you could have gotten the other eight appropriations bills done.
Uh the second opportunity was a 30% cut.
Again, in this particular case, it would have been pending or it would have increased spending for the Department of Defense, Homeland Security, and Veterans Benefits, but then 30% cut across the board, and that would have been their CR.
And as a result of some people, you know, again, I I go back to to me, it seems beyond personal, uh, could have had a 30-day, you know, window with cuts involved with border security, with HR2 even included in that compromise, which is the Republican bill to secure the border, and to me that was a reasonable compromise.
But they chose not to do it.
Anyway, Sean Davis is with us uh with the Federalist.
Uh sir, how are you?
Great to have you back.
Thank you for having me, sir.
I agree with Trump.
Why are Republicans always, you know, Democrats, they circle the wagons.
Republicans create circular firing squads.
Why are they fighting among themselves instead of fighting the radical left Democrats that are destroying the country?
Trump took time out of his out of his trial to write that, but go ahead.
Yeah, I I think it's interesting.
It's interesting to look at Democrats.
They're generally in lockstep.
Um they kind of do whatever leadership tells them.
But I I think this leadership fight with McCarthy is actually representative of a bigger schism, a bigger fight in the Republican Party, especially among those in Washington over some big things over the border, over forever wars, Ukraine spending, and then over spending in general.
And and so I think McCarthy was actually in a tough position because I don't think this is really personally about him.
It may be for a handful of members, but I think this is about much bigger kind of fundamental issues that that our guys in Washington just don't seem to have any agreement on, and that's the real source of the disagreement here.
Well, weren't we told that the real reason is is that they wanted the full appropriations process, which in in reality that that to me is a very solid strong argument.
I'm tired of these massive omnibus bills.
The one that they had over Christmas while I was on vacation because I would have been screaming bloody murder was a bad deal and it just continues this massive continuation of uh the uh this continuation of of government spending and growth.
Uh obviously securing the border uh has to be a top priority.
The only party that's gonna do anything about that is gonna be the Republican Party.
And so it's frustrating to me to sit back and see that the possibilities right there at their fingertips if they would just just if they would have taken the I think the lifeline that Chip Roy, Scott Perry, and Byron Donald's offered, one of two, I think that could have bridged the gap to get the appropriations bills done, voted on, and and gone back to proper order order.
That would have been to me an ideal, you know, scenario short of getting them done on time.
Right, and in the members I've talked to today and in the in the past week, it seems like the big fault line that emerged uh was really over the debt limit deal that that McCarthy went and struck with uh with Biden, I think it was in back in July, and that seemed to sour a lot of the people who were initially with him in that speaker battle, they felt betrayed.
They they felt like the trust was broken.
And so while yes, you're absolutely right that uh the issues on paper are the spending bills and appropriations.
I think a lot of members were worried in there, okay, we're gonna get these deal, maybe we'll pass this bill, maybe we'll pass that.
Well, that well, then why didn't they put put forward a motion to vacate then?
W you know, why in this instance at this moment would they do it now?
Well, it happened now because Matt Gates issued it, not because the others issued it.
But I think things happen once the motion is out there uh that might not have happened were it not out there.
And that's why you saw people like Chip Roy and I think uh people like Dan Bishop say, you know what, we're not ready for now, we're not gonna vote for this motion to vacate.
But once it's out there, that kind of changes the dynamic, and it was Matt Gates who put that out there, not the other uh Freedom Caucus members.
All right, so tell me then who you know who's gonna be the replacement.
The only name that I've heard, and I don't think we'll ever make it, is Emers, who's from Minnesota.
I I've heard his name a lot um from from quarters that I honestly did not expect.
I've been told that he was he was actively trying to work with the conservatives with the Freedom Caucus to stitch deals together, even though ideologically he may not be a good fit.
I've heard Jeff Hearn from Oklahoma as a bit of a dark horse candidate, as well as Steve Scalise.
So it's those three names that I've heard bandied about in the last uh couple days.
I'm not sure Scalisa is up to it.
I mean he's been battling cancer last time I checked.
Right yeah, exactly.
So he's he's well liked.
Um people trust him, but obviously there's health issues there, uh, which is why I think Emerson and Hearn from Oklahoma are are the kind of names I keep hearing today as people who might be able to get a consensus behind them.
But Sean Davis, if they put your name forward and you were a member of Congress, would you ever take that job with a four vote majority and and any one member at any time can vacate the chair because I wouldn't.
No, not a chance.
I think it's the worst, most difficult job in Washington, especially given that slim majority.
I mean, that I mean, that's the only part of me that's sympathetic to McCarthy.
You know, I'm a little pissed off because I think he should have used July and August to put forward the appropriations bills.
And by the way, Chip Roy, Byron Donald's, yeah, all those guys, and by the way, me included, didn't like the the deal that he struck uh uh the last financial uh uh the last deal they struck on on spending.
However, we gotta live in the present here, and the present is if they can stop this tide of reckless spending and control the border and make HR two.
First of all, they pass it, then we gotta go to conference with Mitch McConnell Senate and Chuck Schumer Senate.
And in conference, that's where I would like them to draw their lines.
Except draw their lines uh as with a united front.
At that point, they'd have real power.
Am I wrong?
No, I I think you're right, and I agree with you on McCarthy.
He he's not uh speaker who I have.
I don't love him, but I don't hate him.
I don't have any animosity towards him.
Uh I actually sympathize with him a great deal having to do what he's done with such a thin majority.
And and you're right that this the Senate really is the biggest obstacle here.
Uh and and especially with Mitch McConnell in charge over there.
And he he may not be in charge uh much longer given some of the different dynamics uh evolving over there, especially over the weekend you saw with with border and Ukraine stuff there.
But yeah, that's absolutely where you should draw the line and get the best deal that you can.
But again, it just seems as though uh enough conservatives potentially have lost that little bit of trust that they needed in McCarthy.
And I think if he ends up losing today, you can trace everything back to that debt limit deal.
I think you're right in your analysis here.
Uh what does your gut tell you?
Right now we're at 99 to remove 95 not to, so it's obviously going to be very close, but that's also including Democratic members.
I have not seen any votes for present or I have not seen anybody not voting.
Any predictions how you think this is going to play out?
Oh man, predictions are a tough game here.
Stay there's left side.
I I think you'll see probably four Democrats not vote, which uh would move the majority threshold down to about two sixteen.
If you had asked me this morning, I would have said I thought McCarthy survives as of this moment right now.
I think he probably loses by a vote or two, but but please don't etch that in stone, because you know how No, I'm matching it in stone.
You're you're locked in.
Sean Davis, uh CEO, co-founder of the Federalist.
We always love having you, my friend.
Thank you.
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All right, 25 now till the top of the hour.
184 yay to Alex McCarthy.
Nay.
Now, uh, I think so far, Linda Chuck, if I'm wrong here, Biggs Buck, Bershett, Crane, get uh Gates, good, and Mace.
I didn't expect that one.
Uh vote yes.
Now, the only issue is gonna be the math, and that's whether or not all Democrats vote or anybody else votes present, which would change the mathematical equation.
But that would be enough to remove Speaker McCarthy, which would be historic.
Um and uh it's unprecedented.
The House will have removed the Speaker of the House for the first time in history.
But that vote now continues as we uh as we continue our coverage.
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Uh it looks like Speaker McCarthy, I'm just looking at the votes now, 205 to 187, uh 188 now.
Uh I don't think it's getting closer to the point that it looks like the chair will be vacated.
And if in fact that happens, uh that does set in in place a lot of things in motion here.
Um, and not the least of which is you know, we're gonna find out the who's on that list to be the speaker pro tem, and nothing else can happen.
The house can do nothing else on the floor if in fact this happens, and it looks more and more like it's about to happen.
Uh there'll be no bills, no nothing.
In other words, this body will be paralyzed on the floor until it elects a speaker.
The house could adjourn, but unclear.
House could very well go into a series of hour after hour, if not day after day, of consecutive votes until they do elect a speaker.
Uh similar to what we saw in January.
We we did see a uh you know a mess then, five days, 15 votes to elect McCarthy.
That was the longest speaker election since 1859.
You know, his this just is uncharted territory.
It looks like they're getting close to the magic number 217, which would have been the the number at the beginning of this, assuming that nobody voted present, and I don't see any presence uh voted, but the majority it's he's down now.
Well, 197 nay, 212 yay, and let's see if this number 198, that number keeps moving up.
Might as well follow it here because it's the the voting is getting close to uh being closed out here.
Uh why don't we just play it?
Let's go to it.
Williams of New York.
Nay.
Williams of Texas.
No.
Nay.
Wilson of Florida.
Yay.
Wilson of South Carolina.
No.
Nay.
Whitman.
No.
Nay.
Womac.
No.
Nay.
Yakum.
No.
Nay.
Zinky.
No.
Nay.
Nay.
McCarthy.
nay Now this is done alphabetically, and it's uh call the roll.
It looks like it is stopped.
Whether or not they go back to people who might have passed, I don't know.
That has happened in past roll calls.
You know, it depends and No, you're right, Sean.
They're done going down the roster, so the next thing they're gonna do is anybody who missed their vote during the roll call cast, they they get to cast their vote.
They get to cast the vote, but 217 was the number.
They're at 216.
He's one vote away from from this happening.
Yep.
So but you have two people, two members that are not there.
One is Speaker Pelosi at at Diane Feinstein's funeral, I believe, and then um a Republican Congresswoman in Florida who is who just gave birth to her a child, um, rightly home with a newborn baby.
Uh so but it looks like we're right on the edge here.
We don't know definitely if there's gonna be any more votes here, but Nay.
All right, now we're up to 207.
Let's keep listening in.
Okay, we've got fish as next.
Push.
Right face is next.
Push.
Push.
Okay, Cam's next.
Camek.
Nay.
216 to 208.
Okay, I've got Carter of Texas next.
Okay.
Carter of Texas.
Carter of Texas.
Either they're not present in the chamber.
Tiny Gonzalez.
I don't know where they how would I know where they are?
I don't know.
Tony Gonzalez.
No.
Nay.
216 to 209.
They're one vote away from what would be Gooden of Texas.
Gooden of Texas.
They're just MIA.
A lot of people in that bathroom right now hiding.
I don't know what they're doing.
I mean, what could be more important than this?
I don't get it.
I don't get it either.
Not like they're not there, because they are there.
I have one of those.
I've been able to, you know.
Well, somebody else in the bathroom.
It must be a long line at that bathroom.
For a second there, I thought you said Linda.
I was like, hey, listen.
It could be unisex bathroom.
They go one at a time.
I don't know.
Uh as of now we see.
This is really sad.
Nay.
Alright, we're up to two oh nine, two.
That'll make it two ten to two sixteen.
Two sixteen voting to Alice McCarthy.
He has no more margin of error.
Pelosi's not there, so she's not gonna answer.
Pelosi.
So that vote won't take place.
Bigola.
Buck, Burschette, Craig.
Gates, good, Mace, Rosendale.
This could be the final number.
216 to Alice McCarthy for the first time in history.
Sykes.
Versus 210, no.
Sykes.
They'll continue to call the roll.
Give them a couple of more opportunities to figure it out, but looks like the motion to vacate to me will be.
Are there other members?
Are there other members in this body?
who have not been recorded or who wish to change their vote.
Now, how are they supposed to answer that if they're in the bathroom?
Didn't we just cover this?
I think we did.
I think this is where we're going to land.
I just don't I just go back to what Trump said.
Why why are Republicans always fighting among themselves?
Why aren't they fighting the radical left Democrats?
Doesn't make sense.
This is the problem that we've had forever, though.
You know, regardless of who you like or you don't like, you know, the Democrats, they can just sit back and watch us because we'll kill each other.
We'll be right back.
Um looks like this is going to be called now.
Let's see what the way, 800 941 Sean.
If you want to be let me just let me give you a little bit of the background here.
You know, I've already explained this.
Anyway, so they concluded their debate, motion to vacate, uh, order uh and order a new speaker election and House vote just now wrapping up the vote.
216 to Alistair McCarthy, 210 not to.
Then they vote that that's the actual vote on the motion to vacate, simple majorities needed.
They have achieved that it looks like as of now, with we don't think any other members will be voting at this late hour.
On this vote, the yes are 216.
The nays are 210.
The resolution is adopted.
Without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.
The office of speaker of the House of the United States House of Representatives is hereby declared vacant.
Oh, how does that make everybody feel?
Let me go back to what I told everybody earlier today in the early part of the program.
Under these rules, McCarthy was required to turn over to the House Clerk a list.
And by the way, this has never happened in history before.
What you what you just heard is history.
And McCarthy's been required to turn over to the House Clerk a list of members that could temporarily serve as speaker of the House now that he's been ousted from power.
That list has been secret.
That list has not leaked.
Nobody knows the names on this list.
Uh but anyway, he was required to turn over to the House Clerk this list of members uh in secret, and the power would allow then a lawmaker of McCarthy's choosing to temporarily then exercise the powers of the speakership.
The rules do require that the speaker pro tem must be a current member of the House.
For example, you don't have to be a member of the House to be elected speaker of the House.
A lot of people don't know that.
The speakership is more than just one of the most powerful posts in Congress.
This rule was adopted post-9-11 as we as a country as we dealt with issues of continuity.
You know, if God forbid we're ever under attack like that again.
The House Speaker is also second in line to the president.
It's Patrick T. McHenry who's been chosen.
Let me hear that if I can.
Can we go back?
All right, let's go back.
Let me play.
This is now the speaker's chair.
And it looks like Patrick T. McHenry is the person that was on the received by the clerk pursuant to clause 8B, 3B of Rule 1, is the Honorable Patrick T. McHenry of North Carolina.
Signed sincerely, Kevin F. McCumber, acting clerk.
Pursuant to clause.
All right, so the speakership is more than one of the most powerful posts in Congress post-9-11.
They realized we needed better and and more close more checks and balances in terms of God forbid something happened to the president and vice president uh in case of any type of attack, and the House speaker second in line to the presidency after the vice president.
And a congressional rules expert points out that this temporary speaker could theoretically remain in power.
The speaker now pro tem could stay in the chair.
Uh that's a possibility as well.
Uh, there's no forcing mechanism for a new election, nor are there any overt restrictions on the power of the pro tem, you know, that would they would yield, and the support of the conference would dictate the durability of all of this.
Let me just explain to you what where we are right now.
For the first time in the history of this country, it's unprecedented.
The House has now removed a speaker.
And now the speaker to uh pro tem.
What's his name again, Linda?
Um from North Carolina.
Patrick T. McKenry.
McHenry.
Patrick T. McHenry.
Remember that name because you're going to hear it a lot lately in the next few hours.
Anyway, the House now will probably begin the process because nothing else can be done on the floor without a speaker.
Everything else now has stopped.
No bills, no nothing, body paralyzed, on the floor until it elects a speaker.
By the way, I guarantee you, Democrats are doing backflips.
They're loving this.
The House could very well go into a series of hour after hour, if not day after day of consecutive votes.
By the way, on the issue, even uh, you know, we've got 45 days.
They did pass the continuing resolution, but you know, who knows how long this could go on if you want to look at historical precedent.
You know, it was pretty historic when it took five days, 15 votes to elect McCarthy.
That was the longest election since 1859.
The election of Speaker Howell Cobb of Georgia took two weeks in 1849.
And if you're interested in a little more history, the longest election for Speaker Ram for two months, that's 1855 to 56.
And then the House uh finally elected Speaker Nathaniel Banks on the 133rd ballot.
I quote Donald Trump.
Why?
In fighting.
Why are they while why not be focused on the people that are causing the damage?
The exact quote is why is it the Republicans are always fighting among themselves?
Why aren't they fighting the radical left Democrats destroying the country?
Anyway, 800-941 Sean is our number.
You want to be a part of the program.
I think I'll get a lot of your reaction.
You know, uh, some of you agree, some of you disagree.
I'm looking at my phone lines here.
We'll hit the phones uh throughout the next hour.
We'll get some analysis.
New Gingrich is gonna weigh in, and we'll probably hear from Congressman Chip Roy and Congressman Byron Donalds.
And, you know, there is no one name that has emerged that I've heard.
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800 941 Sean is a number.
Sean Hannity.
Well, we've just had history unfold before our eyes, unprecedented.
The Republicans have and the House have voted to vacate the speaker of the House the first time in the history of the country.
Uh we do have a speaker pro tem Patrick T. McHenry from the great state of North Carolina.
Uh as of now, the House can do nothing else on the floor until they elect a new speaker.
No names have been brought forward, and no bills can be brought forward, nothing until they get a speaker.
Now we'll see what happens.
Whether developments unfold in the next hour, I don't know.
We'll have full complete analysis.
We'll check in with Freedom Caucus members, Chip Roy and Byron McDonald's, and New Gingrich coming up as well.
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