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Hannity Reacts to McCarthy News - October 3rd, Hour 2
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Hour two, Sean Hannity Show.
As we speak, a motion to vacate the chair.
The final vote is actually going on as we speak, and that is a vote to oust Speaker McCarthy.
Just to give you some context, texture, where we are in all of this is, you know, this vote is now going down.
Vacate the chair brought by Matt Gates of Florida.
House is voting to vacate a symbol majority will be needed.
The exact number of votes that it's going to take, you have two people that we know are missing.
Nancy Pelosi is at, I believe, Diane Feinstein's funeral.
You have a Republican congresswoman from Florida recently had her child, and she's not in the chamber today.
And anyway, so we don't know what the actual real number is, whether or not people will vote present or not.
You know, that's yet to be determined.
As of right now, it's 3229.
It's a call of the roll, meaning alphabetically using their surname.
They go through the list of all the congressmen and women, and they come to a final conclusion.
Likely to happen, if I had to guess this hour, it depends how long it takes.
Seems to be moving along pretty quickly.
Just a couple of notes, just a couple of notes as we go through this.
So this just takes a simple majority.
Members vote from their seats.
This is what we call a verbal call of the roll.
They go through it alphabetically.
If the House adopts the motion, there is no speaker.
That would mean that Speaker McCarthy has been removed, which, by the way, is unprecedented.
The House will have removed a speaker for the first time in history.
By rule, the House must then elect a speaker.
No other business will take place before then.
The House can do nothing else on the floor, no bills, nothing.
You'll have basically a paralyzed body on the floor until they elect a speaker.
The House could adjourn, but that is somewhat unclear.
Now, part of, and this is pretty interesting to me too, you know, part of what happened since 9-11 is there is a list.
Nobody knows the names of the people on this list that Kevin McCarthy has put together that would actually be a speaker pro tem that would basically be running the floor of the house in the interim while they continue to the process of electing a new speaker.
So, you know, all my contacts on the floor are telling me, and I just got another text right now, too close to call, too close to, everyone's saying it's too close to call.
So, you know, we'll know more, you know, probably very quickly here as to how this all comes down.
But, you know, again, it's pretty unprecedented.
If you want the history of this, you know, this could go on into a series of hour after hour, if not day after day, of consecutive votes until a speaker emerges.
There is no one name that has, as of now, been emerged as a potential replacement.
It is pretty similar to what we saw in January when it took five days, 15 votes to elect McCarthy, the longest speaker election since 1859.
The election of Speaker Howell Cobb of Georgia took two weeks.
That was in 1849.
The longest election for Speaker ran for two months, and that was 1855 to 1856.
And the House finally elected Speaker Nathaniel Banks on the 133rd ballot.
Now, you certainly got to hope that that doesn't happen.
Look, I just stand where I've been.
And Trump tweeted this out in the middle of his own mess and trial, he tweeted out, or true social doubt, why is it Republicans are now in this position?
Now, I will concede to Matt Gates and to anybody that might be thinking of voting to vacate the chair, that the 12 appropriation bills are absolutely the process worth fighting for.
Okay, it didn't happen.
Now, with that said, as they began the process of, okay, we have to fund the government, the government shuts down, there were really, really solid conservatives in the Freedom Caucus that put together not one, but two plans that, quote, the people that don't like McCarthy, a lot of this is personal.
That I can tell you, because I know the people involved in this.
For a lot of it, it's personal.
And at times, you know what?
You got to put aside the personality and you just got to do what's right.
And when you have such a slim majority, it's going to be tough for anybody to govern that because you have all these varying factions within the Republican caucus.
You've got the study group, you've got the Tuesday group, you've got the Freedom Caucus, where most of the people that I like the most are, and the Sunday group and the Saturday group and a group of moderates.
So that's what kind of made what Scott Perry and Chip Roy and Byron Donald's offer in terms of CRs that then would have allowed the time to finish the appropriations process so appealing to me anyway.
And that was an 8% cut in spending for a 30-day CR, but that was the first opportunity.
And yet these same conservatives voted it down.
No, we needed the appropriations bills.
Well, that would have given you the time to finish it.
Four of the 12 are now finished.
And in the interim, you could have gotten the other eight appropriations bills done.
The second opportunity was a 30% cut.
Again, in this particular case, it would have been pending or it would have increased spending for the Department of Defense, Homeland Security, and Veterans benefits, but then 30% cut across the board, and that would have been their CR.
And as a result of some people, again, I go back to, to me, it seems beyond personal, could have had a 30-day, you know, window with cuts involved with border security, with H.R.2 even included in that compromise, which is the Republican bill to secure the border.
And to me, that was a reasonable compromise.
But they chose not to do it.
Anyway, Sean Davis is with us with the Federalist.
Sir, how are you?
Great to have you back.
Thank you for having me, sir.
I agree with Trump.
Why are Republicans always, you know, Democrats, they circle the wagons.
Republicans create circular firing squads.
Why are they fighting among themselves instead of fighting the radical left Democrats that are destroying the country?
Trump took time out of his trial to write that.
But go ahead.
Yeah, I think it's interesting.
It's interesting to look at Democrats.
They're generally in lockstep.
They kind of do whatever leadership tells them.
But I think this leadership fight with McCarthy is actually representative of a bigger schism, a bigger fight in the Republican Party, especially among those in Washington, over some big things over the border, over forever wars, Ukraine spending, and then over spending in general.
And so I think McCarthy was actually in a tough position because I don't think this is really personally about him.
It may be for a handful of members, but I think this is about much bigger kind of fundamental issues that our guys in Washington just don't seem to have any agreement on.
And that's the real source of the disagreement here.
But weren't we told that the real reason is that they wanted the full appropriations process, which in reality, that to me is a very solid, strong argument.
I'm tired of these massive omnibus bills.
The one that they had over Christmas while I was on vacation because I would have been screaming bloody murder was a bad deal, and it just continues this massive continuation of this continuation of government spending and growth.
Obviously, securing the border has to be a top priority.
The only party that's going to do anything about that is going to be the Republican Party.
And so it's frustrating to me to sit back and see that the possibility is right there at their fingertips if they would just, if they would have taken the lifeline that Chip Roy, Scott Perry, and Byron Donald's offered, one of two, I think that could have bridged the gap to get the appropriations bills done, voted on, and gone back to proper order.
That would have been, to me, an ideal scenario short of getting them done on time.
Right.
And the members I've talked to today and in the past week, it seems like the big fault line that emerged was really over the debt limit deal that McCarthy went and struck with Biden.
I think it was back in July.
And that seemed to sour a lot of the people who were initially with him in that speaker battle.
They felt betrayed.
They felt like the trust was broken.
And so while, yes, you're absolutely right that the issues on paper are the spending bills and appropriations, I think a lot of members were worried in there.
Okay, we're going to get these deal.
Maybe we'll pass this bill.
Maybe we'll pass that.
Well, then why didn't they put forward a motion to vacate then?
Why in this instance, at this moment, would they do it now?
Well, it happened now because Matt Gates issued it, not because the others issued it.
But I think things happen once the motion is out there that might not have happened were it not out there.
And that's why you saw people like Chip Roy and I think people like Dan Bishop say, you know what, we're not ready for now.
We're not going to vote for this motion to vacate.
But once it's out there, that kind of changes the dynamic.
And it was Matt Gaetz who put that out there, not the other Freedom Caucus members.
All right.
So tell me then, you know, who's going to be the replacement?
The only name that I've heard, and I don't think we'll ever make it, is Emmers, who's from Minnesota.
I've heard his name a lot from quarters that I honestly did not expect.
I've been told that he was actively trying to work with the conservatives, with the Freedom Caucus, to stitch deals together, even though ideologically he may not be a good fit.
I've heard Jeff Hearn from Oklahoma as a bit of a dark horse candidate, as well as Steve Scalise.
So it's those three names that I've heard bandied about in the last couple days.
I'm not sure Scalise is up to it.
I mean, he's been battling cancer last time I checked.
Exactly.
So he's well-liked.
People trust him, but obviously there's health issues there, which is why I think Emerson and Hearn from Oklahoma are the kind of names I keep hearing today as people who might be able to get a consensus behind them.
But Sean Davis, if they put your name forward and you were a member of Congress, would you ever take that job with a four-vote majority and any one member at any time can vacate the chair?
Because I wouldn't.
No, not a chance.
I think it's the worst, most difficult job in Washington, especially given that slim majority.
I mean, that's the only part of me that's sympathetic to McCarthy.
You know, I'm a little pissed off because I think he should have used July and August to put forward the appropriations pills.
And by the way, Chip Roy, Byron Donalds, yeah, all those guys, and by the way, me included, didn't like the deal that he struck the last deal they struck on spending.
However, we got to live in the present here.
And the present is if they can stop this tide of reckless spending and control the border and make HR2.
First of all, they pass it.
Then we got to go to conference with Mitch McConnell's Senate and Chuck Schumer's Senate.
And in conference, that's where I would like them to draw their lines, except draw their lines with a united front.
At that point, they'd have real power.
Am I wrong?
No, I think you're right, and I agree with you on McCarthy.
He's not a speaker who I have.
I don't love him, but I don't hate him.
I don't have any animosity towards him.
I actually sympathize with him a great deal, having to do what he's done with such a thin majority.
And you're right, that the Senate really is the biggest obstacle here.
And especially with Mitch McConnell in charge over there, and he may not be in charge much longer given some of the different dynamics evolving over there, especially over the weekend you saw with border and Ukraine stuff there.
But yeah, that's absolutely where you should draw the line and get the best deal that you can.
But again, it just seems as though enough conservatives potentially have lost that little bit of trust that they needed in McCarthy.
And I think if he ends up losing today, you can trace everything back to that debt limit deal.
I think you're right in your analysis here.
What does your gut tell you?
Right now we're at 99 to remove, 95 not to, so it's obviously going to be very close, but that's also including Democratic members.
I have not seen any votes for president or I have not seen anybody not voting.
Any predictions how you think this is going to play out?
Oh, man, predictions are a tough game here.
There's a little upside.
I think you'll see probably four Democrats not vote, which would move the majority threshold down to about 216.
If you had asked me this morning, I would have said I thought McCarthy survives.
As of this moment right now, I think he probably loses by a vote or two.
But please don't etch that in stone because you know how far.
No, I'm etching it in stone.
You're locked in.
Sean Davis, CEO, co-founder of the Federalists.
We always love having you, my friend.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
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All right, 25 now to the top of the hour.
184 yay to Aleis McCarthy.
175 nay.
Now, I think so far, Linda, check if I'm wrong here.
Biggs, Buck, Burchette, Crane, Gates, Good, and Mace.
I didn't expect that one.
Vote yes.
Now, the only issue is going to be the math, and that's whether or not all Democrats vote or anybody else votes present, which would change the mathematical equation.
But that would be enough to remove Speaker McCarthy, which would be historic.
And it's unprecedented.
The House will have removed the Speaker of the House for the first time in history.
But that vote now continues as we continue our coverage.
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It looks like Speaker McCarthy, I'm just looking at the votes now, 205 to 187, 188 now.
I don't think it's getting closer to the point that it looks like the chair will be vacated.
And if in fact that happens, that does set in place a lot of things in motion here.
And not the least of which is, you know, we're going to find out who's on that list to be the Speaker pro Tem, and nothing else can happen.
The House can do nothing else on the floor if in fact this happens, and it looks more and more like it's about to happen.
There will be no bills, no nothing.
In other words, this body will be paralyzed on the floor until it elects a speaker.
The House could adjourn, but unclear.
House could very well go into a series of hour after hour, if not day after day, of consecutive votes until they do elect a speaker.
Similar to what we saw in January, we did see a mess then, five days, 15 votes to elect McCarthy.
That was the longest speaker election since 1859.
This just is uncharted territory.
It looks like they're getting close to the magic number of 217, which would have been the number at the beginning of this, assuming that nobody voted present.
And I don't see any presents voted, but the majority is down now, well, 197, nay, 212, yay.
And let's see if this number, 198, that number keeps moving up.
Might as well follow it here because the voting is getting close to being closed out here.
Why don't we just play it?
Let's go to it.
Williams of New York.
Nay.
Williams of Texas.
Nay.
Wilson of Florida.
Yay.
Wilson of South Carolina.
Nay.
Whitman.
Nay.
Womack.
No.
Nay.
Yakum.
Nay.
Zinki.
No, nay, never.
Nay.
McCarthy.
Nay.
Now this is done alphabetically and it's a call of the roll.
It looks like it has stopped whether or not they go back to people who might have passed.
I don't know.
That has happened in past roll calls.
No, you're right, Sean.
They're done going down the roster, so the next thing they're going to do is anybody who missed their vote during the roll call cast, they get to cast their vote.
They get to cast the vote, but 217 was the number.
They're at 216.
He's one vote away from this happening.
Yep.
But you have two people, two members that are not there.
One is Speaker Pelosi at Dianne Feinstein's funeral, I believe, and then a Republican congresswoman in Florida who just gave birth to a child, rightly home with a newborn baby.
But it looks like we're right on the edge here.
We don't know definitely if there's going to be any more votes here, but nay.
All right, now we're up to 207.
Let's keep listening in.
Okay, we've got finishes next.
Bush.
Bush.
Okay, Camuk's next.
Kamek.
Nay.
216 to 208.
OK, I've got Carter of Texas next.
Carter of Texas.
Carter of Texas.
Either they're not present in the chamber.
Do they in the bathroom?
I don't know where they are.
I know where they are.
I don't know.
Tony Gonzalez.
Nay.
216 to 209.
They're one vote away from what would be Gooden of Texas.
Gooden of Texas.
They're just MIA.
A lot of people in that bathroom right now hiding.
I don't know what they're doing.
I mean, what could be more important than this?
I don't get it.
I don't get it either.
Not like they're not there because they are there.
I've been able to, you know.
Well, somebody else in the bathroom.
There must be a long line at that bathroom.
For a second there, I thought she said Linda.
I was like, hey, listen.
It could be a unisex bathroom.
They go one at a time.
I don't know.
As of now, we see.
This is really sad.
Nay.
All right, we're up to 209.
That'll make it 210 to 216.
216 voting to oust McCarthy.
He has no more margin of error.
Pelosi's not there, so she's not going to answer.
Pelosi.
So that vote will take place.
Big Buck, Burchette, Crane, Gates, Good, Mace, Rosendale.
This could be the final number.
216 to oust McCarthy for the first time in history.
Sykes.
Versus 210.
No.
Sykes.
They'll continue to call the roll, give them a couple of more opportunities to figure it out.
But looks like the motion to vacate to me will be.
Are there other members in this body who have not been recorded or who wish to change their vote?
Now how are they supposed to answer that if they're in the bathroom?
Didn't we just cover this?
I think we did.
I think this is where we're going to land.
I just don't just go back to what Trump said.
Why are Republicans always fighting among themselves?
Why aren't they fighting the radical left Democrats?
Doesn't make sense.
This is the problem that we've had forever, though.
You know, regardless of who you like or you don't like, you know, the Democrats, they can just sit back and watch us because we'll kill each other.
All right.
Looks like this is going to be called now.
Let's see what the 800-941 Sean, if you want to be.
Let me just give you a little bit of the background here.
You know, I've already explained this.
Anyway, so they concluded their debate.
Motion to vacate.
Order and order a new speaker election.
And the House vote just now wrapping up the vote, 216 to Alice McCarthy, 210 not to.
Then they vote.
That's the actual vote on the motion to vacate.
Simple majorities needed.
They have achieved that.
It looks like as of now, we don't think any other members will be voting at this late hour.
On this vote, the yays are 216.
The nays are 210.
The resolution is adopted.
Without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.
The office of Speaker of the House of the United States House of Representatives is hereby declared vacant.
Oh, how does that make everybody feel?
Let me go back to what I told everybody earlier today in the early part of the program.
Under these rules, McCarthy was required to turn over to the House clerk a list.
And by the way, this has never happened in history before.
What you just heard is history.
And McCarthy's been required to turn over to the House clerk a list of members that could temporarily serve as Speaker of the House now that he's been ousted from power.
That list has been secret.
That list has not leaked.
Nobody knows the names on this list.
But anyway, he was required to turn over to the House clerk this list of members in secret.
And the power would allow then a lawmaker of McCarthy's choosing to temporarily then exercise the powers of the speakership.
The rules do require that the speaker pro tem must be a current member of the house.
For example, you don't have to be a member of the house to be elected speaker of the house.
A lot of people don't know that.
The speakership is more than just one of the most powerful posts in Congress.
This rule was adopted post-9-11 as we, as a country, as we dealt with issues of continuity.
You know, if God forbid we're ever under attack like that again, the House Speaker is also second in line to the president.
It's Patrick T. McHenry who's been chosen.
Let me hear that if I can.
Can we go back?
All right, let's go back.
Let me play.
This is now the Speaker's chair, and it looks like Patrick T. McHenry is the person that was on that.
I'm not received by the clerk, pursuant to clause 8B, 3B of Rule 1, is the Honorable Patrick T. McHenry of North Carolina.
Signed sincerely, Kevin F. McCumber, acting clerk.
Pursuant to clause.
All right, so the speakership is more than one of the most powerful posts in Congress.
Post 9-11, they realized we needed better and more close, more checks and balances in terms of, God forbid, something happened to the president and vice president in case of any type of attack.
And the House Speaker seconded in line of the presidency after the Vice President.
And a congressional rules expert points out that this temporary speaker could theoretically remain in power.
The speaker now pro tem could stay in the chair.
That's a possibility as well.
There's no forcing mechanism for a new election, nor are there any overt restrictions on the power of the pro tem that they would yield.
And the support of the conference would dictate the durability of all of this.
Let me just explain to you where we are right now.
For the first time in the history of this country, it's unprecedented.
The House has now removed a speaker.
And now the Speaker Pro Tem, what's his name again, Linda, from North Carolina?
Patrick T. McHenry?
McHenry?
Patrick T. McHenry.
Remember that name because you're going to hear it a lot lately in the next few hours.
Anyway, the House now will probably begin the process because nothing else can be done on the floor without a speaker.
Everything else now has stopped.
No bills, no nothing.
Body paralyzed on the floor until it elects a speaker.
By the way, I guarantee you, Democrats are doing backflips.
They're loving this.
The House could very well go into a series of hour after hour, if not day after day of consecutive votes.
By the way, on the issue even, you know, we've got 45 days.
They did pass the continuing resolution, but, you know, who knows how long this could go on.
If you want to look at historical precedent, you know, it was pretty historic when it took five days, 15 votes to elect McCarthy.
That was the longest election since 1859.
The election of Speaker Howell Cobb of Georgia took two weeks in 1849.
And if you're interested in a little more history, the longest election for Speaker ran for two months.
That's 1855 to 56.
And then the House finally elected Speaker Nathaniel Banks on the 133rd ballot.
I quote Donald Trump.
Why?
In fighting.
Why not be focused on the people that are causing the damage?
The exact quote is, why is it the Republicans are always fighting among themselves?
Why aren't they fighting the radical left Democrats destroying the country?
Anyway, 800-941-Sean is our number.
You want to be a part of the program.
I think I'll get a lot of your reaction.
You know, some of you agree, some of you disagree.
I'm looking at my phone lines here.
We'll hit the phones throughout the next hour.
We'll get some analysis.
Newt Gingrich is going to weigh in, and we'll probably hear from Congressman Chip Roy and Congressman Byron Donalds.
And, you know, there is no one name that has emerged that I've heard.
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800-941-Sean is a number.
Sean Hennedy.
Well, we've just had history unfold before our eyes.
Unprecedented.
The Republicans and the House have voted to vacate the Speaker of the House the first time in the history of the country.
We do have a Speaker pro Tem, Patrick T. McHenry from the great state of North Carolina.
As of now, the House can do nothing else on the floor until they elect a new Speaker.
No names have been brought forward, and no bills can be brought forward.
Nothing until they get a speaker.
Now, we'll see what happens, whether developments unfold in the next hour.
I don't know.
We'll have full complete analysis.
We'll check in with Freedom Caucus members Chip Roy and Byron McDonald's and Newt Gingrich coming up as well.
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Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
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