Vivek Ramaswamy, candidate for President discusses his debate performance, his round of appearances over the weekend and why he is the right choice for America. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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| If you want to be a part of the program, uh joining us now is Republican uh presidential candidate Vivek uh Ramaswamy, uh, who's uh who's got a lot of notice by everybody is doing uh uh really well, respectable very respectable in the polls. | |
| Um and uh clearly was a target in the first Republican primary debate. | |
| He joins us now. | |
| How are you, sir? | |
| Good to talk to you, Sean. | |
| How are you? | |
| Are you loving like the time in the limelight here? | |
| I bet I'm enjoying the debate because I think it's smoking out some real important divisions, and I think good divisions for us to have in the Republican Party for us to decide who we are and what we stand for. | |
| And I think that the debate was a healthy step in getting there. | |
| So yes, I am enjoying it, and I think it's good for our party. | |
| I think it's important that we hear from a a variety of people. | |
| Um look, with the higher profile comes more criticism. | |
| Um I I hate this because this is something I've complained about as a conservative for years, is every two years, four years, and and it's pretty much evolved into every day is this false characterization of Republicans being racist and sexist and misogynist and homophobic and xenophobic and Islamophobic, | |
| and they want dirty air and water and and they want to throw granny and grandpa over a cliff, or at least top Republicans do, and it's just a crock, and I'm sick and tired of the the lie that is being perpetrated. | |
| Uh and I think you are a victim of this. | |
| You took issue with Congresswoman Presley saying we don't need any more black faces that don't want to be a black voice. | |
| Uh what does that mean? | |
| I mean, isn't that assuming that what you know one race of people all think the same? | |
| It's just total BS. | |
| It is, and I think it is fundamental racism at its worst. | |
| And the analogy I made is if you think about people in the KKK a century or two ago, what did they say? | |
| Shut up, sit down, do as you're told. | |
| If you have a black face, you're only allowed to think certain things or behave in certain ways. | |
| That was wrong then, and it is wrong if Ayanna Presley says it today. | |
| And I think we have to call out racism and its ugliness in all of its forms. | |
| But do you d uh the criticism came on this part? | |
| And maybe you can explain it to us. | |
| Because you said that you you you said she was part of the modern KKK. | |
| Now the clan known for for lynching people because of the color of their skin or their religious views. | |
| Yeah, so what I said is she's like a modern grand wizard of the KKK. | |
| And the reason why is the the old KKK from the eighteen hundreds and the early nineteen hundreds, that's defunct. | |
| It's dead, it's mostly gone in the United States of America, whatever vestiges left is a joke. | |
| But the real racism that corporate America and universities and other parts of our culture do pay attention to are the likes of racist statements made by Iana Presley or Ibrahim Kendi, but celebrate them today. | |
| And so I think that's what my point was, Sean is we have to wake our eyes up to the fact that the old KKK is irrelevant. | |
| But the racist ideologies of saying that you have to think a certain way because you have black skin or brown skin. | |
| That is the same racism that's now popping up in a new avatar, and that's what deserves to be called out. | |
| In the name of fighting racism, we have created a new epidemic of so-called anti-racism, but it's really just racism and new clothing. | |
| And yes, I think we have to be able to talk about that in the open. | |
| I know that offends some people. | |
| But you know what? | |
| In this country, the way we're going to reunite America is by all of us starting to talk openly again. | |
| And I can tell you, Sean, the number of people who agree with me on what I said. | |
| That's most people in this country, but many of them know that if they say it in public, they're at risk of losing their jobs. | |
| Risk of their kids getting a bad Well, I uh it's for example, we live in a woke world. | |
| It's something we we all talk about and uh but yet one what there are certain groups of people that can be attacked with without any ramifications. | |
| If you are African American and you are a conservative the names that that very close friends of mine have been called just because they're conservative and they're African American I mean it is it is repulsive on so many different levels you've seen it too. | |
| I've seen it too I mean people have called me Uncle Tom plenty of times even in this campaign. | |
| But the fact of the matter is by the way who called you that I want to know oh lots of people online on social media and otherwise absolutely it's happened multiple times in this over the course of this campaign even in the early phases of it when they were shocked that how could this guy who's educated whose parents came from another country who has a funny name and who has brown skin how could he be saying these heretical things and the fact of the matter is Sean I'm speaking the truth I want to reunite this country. | |
| I think our problem is we have actually celebrated our diversity and our differences so much that we've forgot all of the ways we're really just the same as Americans. | |
| And so yes I do think on one hand Sean and I am doing this calling out that woke hypocrisy call it out unsparingly saying out loud what most people think but feel afraid to say but on the other hand I'm doing it not just for the sake of provoking conversation but because I want to reunite this nation I do not think our diversity is our strength. | |
| I think our strength is what unites us across that diversity unum means from many one. | |
| That's what we need to revive in this country and as a member of a different generation yes as a first generation American who has lived the full American dream I think it is my responsibility to do that for the next generation. | |
| That's what we're doing in this race. | |
| We talked about foreign policy last night let's start with a premise that we both agree on I think that America giving up energy independence that Donald Trump had achieved as president for the first time in seventy five years is is hurting the American people on on economic issues. | |
| Donald Trump is president not one time did the average price of gasoline nationally ever go to three dollars a gallon not once and now we're go now we're up at four dollars a gallon yet again and in many states it's over five dollars a gallon. | |
| Well that means you know the price of diesel even higher that means that every product we buy every store we go to is going to cost more. | |
| And then also I believe we're compromising our national security and we have all the natural resources we we have enough energy, oil, gas, coal to fuel this country and our allies for two hundred plus years. | |
| Those are known reserves as of now and and you had nuclear to the equation you know we're talking about five hundred years probably but again none of this is allowed because of the the climate alarmist religious cult as I call it so I I think a lot of your foreign policy views would be resolved and our economic problems would be solved just by by becoming energy independent again. | |
| Dead correct Sean and even in my last career before I ran for president I started a company strive that pushed back against this ESG cancer in our capital market. | |
| I sometimes have quipped that ESG really stands for export Soviet gas because that's the effect that it's had on the modern West telling American companies like Chevron that they have to limit their carbon emissions or Exxon when in fact that just empowers people on the other side of the world in places like Russia and China that don't adopt those same constraints. | |
| So my view is U.S. President what am I going to do? | |
| We're gonna unlock drilling, fracking, burning coal, embracing nuclear that's how we actually stand strong economically it's how we fight inflation, it's how we deliver economic growth but it is also how we reduce reliance on foreign autocrats that are stronger when we are constraining our own energy production here at home. | |
| That's the easiest thing I can do with the next U.S. president because a lot of this is done through the toxic administrative state through the EPA through the Department of Interior through the U.S. Energy department those Report into the executive branch of government. | |
| And my view, Sean, is there is one executive branch led by one president, the United States president, who's elected by the people. | |
| And that's why I think more than any U.S. president in modern history, I will shut down that administrative state on strong legal authority, rescind the unconstitutional federal regulation that Congress never gave the power to those agencies to pass. | |
| 75% headcount reduction amongst the federal employee headcount. | |
| And I have a deep understanding of the law, Sean, that I think part of what happened is they duped President Trump. | |
| The advisor class told him they couldn't do it because of civil service protections. | |
| Well, if you read the law, those civil service protections only protect against individual employee firing. | |
| They do not apply to mass layoffs. | |
| And mass layoffs are absolutely what I am bringing to the DC bureaucracy in our shadow government. | |
| And I think that is how we unlock the economy, how we unlock the energy sector. | |
| America stands stronger on the global stage when we do. | |
| That's how I'm going to lead as the next president. | |
| Let me go to three hot spots around the world. | |
| I want to start in Ukraine and and let me let me lay out uh lay a foundation here. | |
| All of this is predicated on something we agree on. | |
| Had America remained energy independent, uh Vladimir and and we had the energy resources. | |
| We we could be an energy rich, filthy rich nation. | |
| We could pay down the 37 trillion in debt. | |
| Uh we wouldn't have to tax uh the the the American people to the extent we do if we again held on to that. | |
| But it also, and you stated this last night. | |
| You were right in your observation that Vladimir Putin wouldn't be able to finance his war with Ukraine had had we been energy independent. | |
| So, but with that said, you know, I I do not have a problem when you see evil, and I believe Putin is evil, and you see him targeting innocent men, women, and children in hospitals and and neighborhoods and apartment buildings and just just you know, just pure outright evil and the destruction of a country and and the invasion of a foreign country. | |
| I do have more pro I think I have more problems with this with you. | |
| However, this is where I say American involvement is has to be predicated, and it's not. | |
| So I don't support a penny right now going to Ukraine. | |
| Not one cent. | |
| It has to be predicated on two things. | |
| Europe steps up to protect their continent one. | |
| And it they have got to bear the burden of that first. | |
| American support can come in behind that, but one other thing has to happen. | |
| And Joe Biden took took on all this financial burden, and and Europe says, fine, let America pay for it. | |
| They've they have contributed did not contribute their fair share. | |
| And then he vetoed 28 MIGs that Poland was offering early in the conflict. | |
| That was a signal to me that he just wants to create another quagmire and uh an American, you know, uh uh you know, being involved in these endless wars. | |
| If you're not if you're going to support a war, you either support it to win it or stay the hell out of it. | |
| So I will say a couple of things, Sean. | |
| I think we have a good foundation of agreement on a lot of things, and I think your view is a really reasonable one. | |
| Even though my view is slightly different, I think yours is reasonable. | |
| But I would go one step further to say we need to end this war because there's a lot of evil on the global stage. | |
| It's not just one man, Vladimir Putin. | |
| I think the Communist Party of China is evil. | |
| And I worry that we are pushing Russia even closer into China's arms as we speak. | |
| I I think it's worse than that. | |
| I think it's already happened. | |
| I think I called the new axis of evil. | |
| China, Russia, and Iran open our eyes, Sean, there are some cracks in that armor. | |
| Russia has quietly sent weapons to places like India and Vietnam to send a signal to China. | |
| They're not opening up access to the ocean that China wants in Northeast China. | |
| So there are there are cracks in that armor. | |
| We have to exploit that by saying this is our moment to do the single most important thing we could do in our foreign policy, I believe, in this century, which is to pull apart the Russia-China alliance. | |
| And here's how I would do it. | |
| I would do it by using Ukraine in part as a way to achieve that goal by saying that we'll freeze the current lines of control, make a permanent commitment that NATO will not admit Ukraine to NATO. | |
| Yes, those are wins for Putin. | |
| I admit that. | |
| But that comes with the bigger condition, the bigger win for us is that they have to exit their military treaty in partnership with China. | |
| They also have to remove their nuclear weapons from Kaliningrad, the region of Poland that borders the region of Russia that borders Poland, and also remove any Russian military presence from the Western hemisphere, which people forget they have in Nicaragua and Venezuela and Cuba. | |
| Get them out of the Western Hemisphere. | |
| That's dangerous for the United States. | |
| That I think is a diplomatic victory like what Nixon delivered in 1972. | |
| Because Mao Zedong, he was evil. | |
| Did we trust Mao Zedong? | |
| No, we did not. | |
| But Nixon got Mao out of the clasp of the USSR. | |
| And it was a historic feat that Nixon accomplished. | |
| It took an outsider in the world. | |
| Well, it's after Mao killed forty million people and starved them to death, but that's but you he did what he needed to do for the United States of America. | |
| Mao was evil. | |
| That's my point. | |
| Even on a bigger scale than Putin was. | |
| But he pulled him apart from the USSR because the USSR was the main threat. | |
| Well, today it's the report. | |
| See, see, my worry though is i if you look at Mao in China and Stalin and Russia and Nazism and Hitler and Germany and Mussolini and fascism and uh you know Tojo and Japan and the killing fields in Cambodia in the last century. | |
| I wrote a whole book about it. | |
| You know, you're dealing with over a hundred million souls murdered, slaughtered by governments. | |
| Right. | |
| And that's that's one of the reasons why I would like to understand that we we do have an obligation to stop evil before it grows, or or we will ultimately find ourselves in a similar situation like World War II, would we not? | |
| Well, I think that if we had an opportunity to pull Germany apart from Japan earlier on, we would have gone back and done it in an instant. | |
| And I think that that's the opportunity we have now between Russia and China. | |
| China is undoubtedly, Sean, the bigger threat we face. | |
| I want to get to the China question in Taiwan. | |
| Do you want to stick around a little bit? | |
| You got time? | |
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | |
| I'll stick around. | |
| Okay. | |
| There's only 725 stations that want to hear you. | |
| Uh, they get to hear me every day. | |
| Uh anyway, 800, 941 Sean. | |
| These are important questions. | |
| Uh, because you know what? | |
| Evil exists, and what's America's role in the world? | |
| It's that we've got to become from a position of strength. | |
| The biggest strength we get is through energy, but nobody wants to talk about that on the left. | |
| We'll take a break. | |
| We'll come back more with uh Vivek Ramaswamy on the other side, Republican presidential candidate, uh, as we continue. | |
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| Vivek Ramaswamy is with us, uh, Republican presidential candidate. | |
| By the way, I called you Vivek, you know, on on air, at least during three interviews that I can think of. | |
| Why didn't you tell me, hey, you idiot, it's Viveke. | |
| You know, Sean, I appreciate best efforts. | |
| And we have three, four minutes of those interviews. | |
| I'd rather be talking about something. | |
| We got it right off air. | |
| I I meant I meant absolutely no nothing wrong there. | |
| I I actually I I had asked my producer, I said, is it Vivek? | |
| And they said, Yeah, yeah, it's Vivek. | |
| Then I'm listening watching an interview and it's a vake. | |
| I'm like, oh jeez. | |
| Uh but anyway, uh thanks. | |
| Thanks for sticking with us. | |
| We look these issues involving Russia, China, Iran, the Middle East, I think are really, really important. | |
| I think I think we pretty much found agreement on Ukraine. | |
| And I completely but you know, again, it's all predicated. | |
| If America did not abandon energy independence, I can th that factor alone has empowered and and and emboldened and enriched Vladimir Putin. | |
| So dumb. | |
| All right. | |
| Now this alliance that we're talking about, Russia, China, Iran, and probably I would assume North Korea gets involved. | |
| I didn't like that the Chinese were brokering deals with the Saudis and the Iranians and now the Saudis and the Syrians, because they're peeling away American allies. | |
| I mean, Trump had done something that I thought was pretty amazing during his presidency, something I didn't think we'd see in our lifetime, and that is he was able to build an alliance between the US, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, the the Saudis, the Emirates against Iranian UAE against against uh Iranian hegemony and you know, to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. | |
| So this issue came up about the issue of Israel, and I guess you want Russell Brand's show, and you said, and this is the exact quote come 2028, additional aid won't be necessary in order to have the kind of stability we'd actually have in the Middle East uh by having Israel more integrated with its partners. | |
| I think that is a noble, lofty goal. | |
| Uh we made more progress during the Trump years than and I thought possible. | |
| Uh we have gone backwards since Trump left office. | |
| Yes. | |
| But but the idea that we would even think about in any way weakening that alliance uh would be devastating to our national security. | |
| So I don't want to weaken the alliance, Sean. | |
| And you know how politics works, right? | |
| Every candidate will seize on something you said and then exploit it to mean something different. | |
| I'm not an establishment politician, right? | |
| I don't read the standard GOP talking point. | |
| I talk about these issues with independent thought. | |
| So I believe that our relationship with Israel will be stronger by the end of my first term than it has ever been. | |
| And what I've said is we are not going to cut off aid to Israel until the moment when Israel, as a good friend of the U.S., tells us that they don't need that aid anymore. | |
| And you know what? | |
| You know who last was the last person to do that in the nineteen nineties? | |
| It's the guy who's currently the prime minister of Israel, BB. | |
| BB, there have been points in our history where he's been very honest with us. | |
| So if that's not by 2028, then it's not by 2028. | |
| But the point I made on the Russell Brandt Podcast is what a mark of success it would be if we led Abraham Accords 2.0. | |
| Take the Trump Agreement, but to the next level by getting Saudi Arabia and Oman and Qatar in there. | |
| Expand our partnership to advance a vital U.S. objective of making sure that Iran never ever becomes nuclear equipped. | |
| And then if we ever reached See, I think it came off different than that, and I'm not being critical of you. | |
| I um that's why you're here. | |
| I want you to clarify it. | |
| You know, but I think when you said that they need to stand on their own two feet, uh, it sounded almost like a drop dead date. | |
| But actually, but Sean, that that's again, don't take the competitor campaign some summations of it. | |
| I didn't say they need to stand in there on two feet. | |
| I said it would be a victory if we ever got to the point where they would. | |
| And I stand by that part, but the core emphasis is I treat our relationship with Israel not as a transactional relationship, but as a friendship. | |
| Friends are honest with each other. | |
| Friends learn from each other. | |
| I would love Israel's border policies and tough on crime policy and their na and their iron dome and their national identity and the strength of it. | |
| I would love that in this country. | |
| Friends learn. | |
| Listen, uh let me tell you, there's no greater intelligence gathering uh state than Israel. | |
| There's no stronger military than Israel. | |
| If we're really ever going to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons, Israel's going to be a big part of that equation, and I think the United States should be side by side with them on that because. | |
| And you know what else I love about the Israel relationship that doesn't get talked about enough, Sean? | |
| They're a model partner because they actually spend on their own national defense. | |
| Right time. | |
| NATO and those other allies, supposed allies, they don't spend even their minimum two percent commitment. | |
| Look at like a Germany, for example, skimping out free riding on the U.S. Israel actually spends on its own national defense, and much of our aid to Israel runs through industrial capacity here in the United States of America. | |
| That helps build up our own industrial base. | |
| That number's going to be up to one hundred percent of our Israel being provided domestically through our own infrastructure by 2028. | |
| So of course, this would be foolhardy to of all the places we could pick for rolling back. | |
| You know, we're talking about another 25 billion to go to Ukraine now. | |
| We're talking about three billion a year already going to Israel. | |
| So that would be foolish to back off of that now. | |
| But what I've said is, you know what, we should be ambitious. | |
| We should be ambitious to a future where Israel is integrated into the economic and security infrastructure of the Middle East, that it is so strong that Iran has been defenestrated entirely as ever having a chance of becoming a nuclear power, that we will work towards a future where BB tells me when he's the prime minister and I'm the president, or whoever the prime minister in Israel Israel, that there's a point in time where we our friendship continues where we're honest with you that we're done with that phase of our relationship to the next one. | |
| All right, let me move on and ask about the the Taiwan situation. | |
| And and maybe it was misinterpreted by people, but I want you to give you a chance to clarify it. | |
| And that is again by 2028. | |
| You know, once once we got once we were able to produce enough of our semiconductor chips here uh in our country, uh, that you would wade support away, and you talked about going back to the a more ambiguous, and there's truth to what you're saying about ambiguity as it relates to Taiwan. | |
| However, every president usually in some way said that will not happen and we will have their back if China obviously fulfills their territorial ambition. | |
| Let me be very clear about one thing, Sean. | |
| This is just a hard fact. | |
| I am the only candidate in either party who has had the courage to say the following words. | |
| We will defend Taiwan. | |
| Nobody else does, because the current posture of the U.S. towards China is the one China policy. | |
| That is and has been the U.S.'s position on Taiwan, one China, that it is strategic ambiguity. | |
| So much so that I will remind you, you'll remember this. | |
| In December of twenty sixteen, when Trump picked up the phone for a congratulatory phone call from the Taiwanese president, he was ridiculed for having the gall to break diplomatic protocol. | |
| So that's where we are right now. | |
| The U.S. does not recognize Taiwan as a nation. | |
| It's a one China policy. | |
| In fact, the U.S. President cannot even talk to the Taiwanese president. | |
| So against that status quo, I say no. | |
| We face so much risk that I'm gonna have the courage to step up and say we're gonna change strategic ambiguity and say I'm gonna provide strategic clarity. | |
| We will defend Taiwan at least until we get semiconductor independence, which is to say our entire modern way of life depends on those chips that come from Taiwan, our phones, our refrigerators, our televisions. | |
| We can't have our modern way of life be squatted on by communist China. | |
| And then what I said is after we've achieved that, we return to the status quo, Sean, exactly what our position is now. | |
| And so what do establishment GOP politicians and establishment democrat politicians do? | |
| They then caricature my view and say, oh, well, Vivek will leave Taiwan hanging out to dry until twenty twenty eight, ignoring the fact that they're the ones who are actually leaving Taiwan hang out to dry now by adopting the one China policy. | |
| So I've the only one who has had the courage to say we will defend Taiwan, and then we'll return to our current posture right now, this posture of strategic ambiguity after we've achieved semiconductor independence. | |
| This is how we deter China from going after Taiwan while avoiding war, because Xi Jinping would have to be a fool to invade Taiwan in the near term when I have been expressly clear that we will defend, when I'm running one destroyer per week through the Taiwan Strait, | |
| when I've moved to two Ohio class SSGNs loaded with Tomahawks to the South China Sea and to the Indian Ocean, when I've created a partnership with India, by the way, to close the Andaman Sea where the Chinese get their Middle Eastern oil supplies through. | |
| All right, let me ask this then conflict. | |
| That's it. | |
| And I have the I've offered the clearest plan, Sean. | |
| Let me let me ask you this then. | |
| What should the consequences be for China for the following? | |
| COVID nineteen, confronting our fighter jets in international airspace, uh flying their fighter jets over Taiwan airspace on a regular basis and in a hostile way, saber rattling, uh confronting our Navy in international waters, intellectual property theft, unfair trade practices, all of which they are guilty as hell at. | |
| What what would you do to stop it? | |
| By the way, let's keep going. | |
| The Chinese spy balloons flying over half the country, the Chinese spy base in Cuba spying on the southeastern portion of the U.S. And kick them out of the WTO. | |
| They have no place in the WTO, letting them join the World Trade Organization in the late 1990s or in the mid-1990s was dead wrong. | |
| Shouldn't we shouldn't we not be a part of the WTO, uh the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum? | |
| Isn't it time for we shouldn't certainly be a part of the Paris Accord? | |
| Shouldn't we get out of all of it? | |
| Well, I think we should. | |
| I mean, but I'm saying that right now, let's just start with the status, quote, kick China out on day one, then they'll say, Well, we have to disband it. | |
| I'll say, Great, done with it. | |
| And by the way, I'd give them the UN while we're at it too. | |
| They can have it. | |
| You know what? | |
| It's it's actually a great point, Sean. | |
| People have actually, this is another one of the things the establishment has ridiculed me for. | |
| I've also questioned our continued involvement in the US. | |
| Why on earth are we funding an organization that is fundamentally hostile to our sovereignty in the United States? | |
| I also think we need to declare economic independence from China. | |
| If that were a Russian spy balloon, let's be honest, we would have shot it down and racketed up sanctions on Russia. | |
| The reason we didn't do it for China is because we're dependent on them for our modern way of life. | |
| And I think that is pathetic. | |
| And I think it's solvable. | |
| We can onshore a lot of that to the U.S., other relationships, even in industries like pharmaceuticals with Israel, with India, with Japan, South Korea. | |
| We can actually re-enter bilateral relationships with other allies, onshore a lot of that to the U.S., and that puts us in a position where we're no longer dependent on our enemy for our modern way of life. | |
| Because even in the last Cold War, we never depended on the USSR for the shoes on our feet or the phones in our pockets. | |
| We do depend on communist China today for those things. | |
| That is a disaster. | |
| I will and I will also hold China accountable for unleashing hell on the world for the COVID-19 pandemic using every financial lever we have available, because if we don't do that, we can express, we can expect far worse in the future. | |
| That's how I'll lead. | |
| All right, quick break. | |
| We'll come back on the other side. | |
| We'll check in with Tudor Dixon as it relates some emails of Joe Biden, Robin Ware, Robert L. Peters, J.R.B. Ware. | |
| Wow, can't wait to get a hold of these as we continue. | |
| Next, our final roundup and information overload hour. | |
| All right, we continue now with Republican presidential candidate, primary candidate Vivek Ramaswamy is with us. | |
| So can I give you some unsolicited advice? | |
| Uh because obviously you're you're very intelligent. | |
| Your background is beyond impressive. | |
| Uh your success speaks for itself. | |
| Um when people try to drag you into arguments about 9-11 or Or any of these controversies. | |
| Well, I don't know. | |
| There's no proof of it. | |
| And you made your comments about 9-11, for example, and uh, you know, we uh the truth about 9-11 is still unknown. | |
| Um, I think we kind of know the people responsible, and by the way, we shouldn't be giving plea deals to the Al Qaeda five. | |
| I've never once brought up 9-11 on this campaign. | |
| I've only ever responded to a media question when I got it. | |
| But they they ask as a nine questions because they want to trap you. | |
| They do. | |
| But uh, you know what? | |
| I I want to be careful not to be afraid to speak the truth, which is that Saudi Arabia, unfortunately, the hard truth and ugly truth is one of their intelligence agents was indeed the one who received many of those terrorists who flew those planes into those twin towers. | |
| And the government, sadly, for years lied about it. | |
| Now there is a lawsuit in New York's Southern District where those families are suing Saudi Arabia where those facts are coming out, including from documents that the FBI declassified last year and the year before. | |
| The government still has documents that are hiding. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| And so and so was Saudi Arabia involved. | |
| The answer, unfortunately, the ugly truth is yes. | |
| And there can't be these taboo topics, Sean, that we don't talk about. | |
| Because part of what's happening in this country today is whether it's the Hunter Biden laptop or the Russia collusion hoax or the origin of COVID. | |
| We still have a government that lies systematically to its people. | |
| But I don't sweep them under the rug either. | |
| No, understood. | |
| Uh I just think that the media, I think by now you're probably learning every day that they don't have your best interest at heart, and they they they hate anybody that says they're a Republican or a conservative. | |
| I get it. | |
| Um, and I think it's important for people to hear from every candidate. | |
| I really do, and that's that's the whole purpose of this exercise. | |
| We're just out of time, though. | |
| I uh appreciate the time. | |
| Thank you for being with us, and you're welcome on this show and my TV show whenever you want. | |
| Thank you, Sean. | |
| Take care. | |
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