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So we look at this, you know, Donald Trump.
It wasn't really an arrayment, goes to Georgia yesterday.
How nice of Joe Biden, apparently, and maybe Joe Biden has set a precedent for when this entire bribery, money laundering, these scandal allegations come to fruition.
Maybe this is a preview of coming attractions involving him.
You know, I played it in the last hour.
Victor Shokin, the prosecutor that fired, got fired.
Isn't Biden giving money in exchange for my firing alone a case enough?
Yeah, he actually went further and said this was about bribery, an exact point about the Biden crime family.
He says he confirms that Joe Biden took bribes, saying that Joe and Hunter accused him of corruption.
They took large money, bribes from Burisma, and were behind his firing.
I don't want to deal in unproven facts, but my personal conviction is that, yes, he said this to Brian Killmey.
This was the case.
They were being bribed.
Wow.
Billion dollars.
And this now we know came after the official policy in the Obama administration was that they have made enough progress in Ukraine as it relates to corruption that it was their official policy to give them the billion dollars.
And that should have been the main reason that Joe was in Ukraine speaking to the parliament.
But of course, that was five days earlier, the phone call from Dubai with Hunter and Burisma executives.
They desperately needed D.C. help.
We know what the help was.
Joining us now to analyze the impact of this on the 2024 campaign and much more is former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, author of a book everybody should read, March to the Majority, which, by the way, is a roadmap for Republicans to get back power.
How are you, sir?
I'm doing great.
But I have to confess, I'm deeply troubled by the kind of things that are going on.
It's just, to me, it's astonishing that we could be living through this and that we could have a former and potentially future president of the United States being treated this way by a clearly corrupt and partisan district attorney whose indictment I think is so phony and so full of flaws that it's just embarrassing for America.
So the question is, I mean, I don't think in any of these venues they're going to be particularly friendly to Donald Trump.
12% of New York City, the population in New York City voted for Trump.
A little over 5% in D.C. Fulton County is a little better, but that comes in at a low 24%.
And even though in a RICO statue, you have to prove criminal intent that they knew that it was unlawful and that they purposely set out to break the law.
I would argue, Mr. Speaker, and I would assume that, you know, I interviewed President Trump a lot, and I would assume you had spoken to him during the time.
I would bet any amount of money I had that he'd pass a lie detector test this day that he still believes that he won Georgia.
Right.
And then look, the whole problem with this thing is, and you see it both with use of a RICO statue, which remember, was designed for the mafia and for drug dealers.
I mean, to apply that to a president of the United States is just so insultingly stupid and arrogant.
And then, frankly, Jack Smith using the 1870 South Carolina Ku Klux Klan Act.
I mean, these are people who, and this is my one criticism of lawyers who go on these shows and try to explain it.
This isn't about the rule of law.
This is about the rule of power.
This is like Ortega in Nicaragua locking up the Catholic bishop.
It has nothing to do with the law.
They just make up crimes, and then they say you're guilty.
It's like, you know, Putin's major political rival just had an additional 19-year sentence while he was in prison.
They brought her back up and said, we're going to retry you.
The seven-year sentence isn't enough.
We're having another 19.
He told a reporter, I basically have a death sentence.
The only question is whether it's my death or Putin's.
But he said, I'll never get out of here while Putin's alive.
Well, that's kind of the Biden attitude.
These people working for Biden, who are people who worked for Obama, they believe they're above the law.
They believe they can break the law.
And they believe the rest of us are too dumb to realize this has nothing to do with the rule of law and everything to do with politics.
So, you know, what is your advice now to Donald Trump?
And how do you see this playing out?
And, you know, he keeps calling this election interference.
Well, we did have the FBI in two presidential elections, in my view, put the cinder blocks on the scale of an election.
One, by exonerating Hillary for the very same thing they raided Mar-a-Lago about, and that's top secret classified documents.
Two, the other big issue is, you know, whether or not Donald Trump may have erased surveillance tapes or wanted to erase them but didn't.
And meanwhile, she did erase 33,000 subpoenaed emails.
Nothing happened to her.
Joe Biden had top secret classified documents in four separate locations.
He didn't get raided.
His special counsel doesn't seem in a rush to do anything.
Then we have the Biden sweetheart deal by a friend of Beau Biden who was investigating for four plus years, allowing the statute of limitations to run out.
And then, of course, big tech being talked to weekly by the FBI, warning them of a possible misinformation campaign against them that probably or likely would be about Joe or Hunter Biden, but they knew that the laptop was very real and they wouldn't confirm it to Twitter and Facebook when asked directly.
It sounds like they wanted a certain outcome in these races.
Well, of course they did.
I mean, the 2000 election, 2020 election is the most rigged election in American history, which is different than saying it was stolen on election day.
But you can't take things like the $420 million Zuckerberg put into selective turnout, or the fact that all of the big social media companies collectively suppressed the New York Post, or the fact that 51 intelligence officers signed a total lie, which was then used by Biden in the last debate with Trump.
So, I mean, you just go through this again and again, and what you find out is this is a very sick, very corrupt system.
Trump is the first person to have the guts to take it head on, and he's frankly being attacked for defending all of us from what is a potential tyranny.
You know, but you understand a political reality here.
I know his base is very, very strong.
And, you know, now we're going to head into 2024, and he's facing the possibility of four separate trials in the middle of a primary season.
I mean, if the special counsel has his way, the Washington, D.C. case would start on January 2nd.
If Fannie Willis from Fulton County has her way, well, that case would start on March 4th, the day before Super Tuesday.
And then we have two other cases that he's got to deal with.
Now, do you foresee a scheduling conflict for somebody running for president?
Because I do.
And how do you handle that?
Yeah, I don't.
I think, and I've said this publicly, the morning President Trump walks into a courtroom under duress, he will have 15 or 20 million surrogate campaigners who will come forward and volunteer to campaign for him.
And people don't understand yet.
He's not a candidate.
He is the leader of a national movement.
He's fully as much as Nelson Mandela was, fully as much as any other figure in history who has been locked up for being the leader of a movement that sought a different outcome than the establishment was.
But you know liberals hearing this and the mob and the media hearing this.
Newt Gingrich just compared Donald Trump to Nelson Mandela.
Blah, blah, blah.
You'll get criticized for that.
I don't care.
I've known you long enough to know you don't care.
That I know.
Well, look, I was one of the people who voted to impose sanctions on South Africa to end apartheid and helped it pass the Congress against the Reagan administration.
I was honored to be able to host Nelson Mandela in the Capitol.
He's a remarkable figure.
I'm not saying that Trump is like Nelson Mandela.
I'm saying that the regime in South Africa, putting Nelson Mandela in prison for two decades, is very similar to what Biden wants to do.
The regime in Nicaragua, putting the Catholic bishop in prison, is very much like what Biden wants to do.
The Chinese dictatorship, putting a 90-year-old cardinal in prison, is very much like what Biden wants to do.
Let's be honest.
Biden wants to take a dictatorial position of putting in jail the leading opponent who has millions and millions of supporters.
Now, I'm perfectly happy to have some nutcake on the left say, well, Gingrich is describing this inaccurately.
Tell me the inaccuracy.
Because the very person who's going to criticize me wants to put Donald Trump in jail.
How does this play out with independent voters who decide every election?
Well, look, I think that this is a two-part campaign, almost classically going back to the politics of a generation ago.
First, Trump has to become the nominee.
If Trump does become the nominee, and everything indicates he probably will, then he has to wage a campaign in which it is not just, it's not a referendum on Trump, it is a choice.
And if he can make clear that the choice is between the affordable, job-creating world of Donald Trump and the unaffordable, destructive world of Joe Biden, he might do amazingly well.
I think it's possible.
If they campaign on the right issues next year, for example, parental choice, parents ought to have the right to decide where their children go to school.
Parents ought to know what's happening to their child in that school versus the teachers' union ought to own your child, and the teachers' union ought to be able to tell your child in the third grade whether or not they ought to change genders.
Now, I think in that debate, Trump wins by an amazing margin, including among women.
Because most women are very uncomfortable with that idea.
If the debate on abortion is handled correctly by Trump and the Republicans, that is, we think 15 weeks is a reasonable limit to abortion.
We think life of the mother, incest, and rape and reasonable exemptions versus a party committed to killing your baby on the last day, or in some cases, committed to killing your baby up to 30 days after it's born, I think we win that fight.
But we have to have the guts to make it.
We can't back off from it.
So I think we can win the general election with Trump or with DeSantis or with Ramaswamy or Nikki Haley.
I mean, I'm very optimistic that the country's not crazy.
And, you know, there are going to be two choices.
It's either going to be Joe Biden or if he literally can't get there.
I think it's going to be Kamala Harris.
And I don't think this country will elect Kamala Harris present.
It's pretty interesting.
All right, quick break.
We'll come right back.
We'll continue more with former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.
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We continue now with former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.
So what if there is maybe two of the four trials, and let's say Donald Trump is convicted?
You know, play out that scenario for me.
Well, then he has to campaign from jail.
How do you campaign from jail?
I think at that point the country goes crazy.
I mean, first of all, how does the Secret Service handle its legal obligation to protect a former president if he's put in jail?
I don't know.
Is he surrounded in jail by armed Secret Service agents?
That's what I'm saying.
I mean, this whole thing is insane.
I mean, what, what, you know, maybe there's a reason why this is a former president has never been indicted in history, and a leading rival has never been charged with felonies like this, four separate charges, 91 total.
But yesterday, Ramoswamy had exactly the right point.
He said, look, the American people get to judge Donald J. Trump, not a corrupt Justice Department, not a rigged jury, not a rigged prosecutor.
And I think most Americans will agree that in the end, the prospect of putting a former president in prison is crazy.
Don't you think when you look at the map in terms of it looks like the trials will be held in an election year and where I believe Donald Trump would have a much more fair chance of winning would be in the appeals process.
That would happen post-election.
That doesn't seem fair either.
No, I don't know.
I think, first of all, I think we're a lot further from trials than these people would like us to believe.
Second, I think that an appeal process to the Supreme Court would recur pretty quickly, not slowly.
But I also think that the more the country understands who the players are, the more the country understands that the Supreme Court has already repudiated Jack Smith unanimously for having tried to rig a jury trial against the Republican governor of Virginia.
I mean, he was picked by the Attorney General because he's basically like a rabbit dog, and he will do anything to win, and he is a total hardline left-winger.
Exactly the opposite of what you'd like in a prosecutor who you'd like to have as a balanced, reasonable, and responsible person.
So I said to you the day, I don't think we're in a political environment.
I think we're in a historic environment.
History is bigger than we are.
And I don't know how this is all going to work out.
I mean, I think this is one of the most remarkable.
It's probably the most unstable period since the 1850s, which led up to a Civil War.
That's pretty frightening, Mr. Speaker.
It really is.
And by the way, what's happening to the country economically, our place in the world is chilling also.
These are rough times.
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Sir, it's always a pleasure.
Have a great weekend.
Thank you.
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All right.
Let me, this is getting very interesting.
I keep laying out the timeline here because it's fresh in my mind.
You have Maureen Dowd writing that column in the New York Times is eviscerating Joe Biden being heartless and soulless by not recognizing his seventh granddaughter for over four years.
It results in Joe saying, oh, Hunter gave me permission now to recognize her.
Okay, so I'll now finally recognize her.
Okay, nobody believes that either.
Then it led to the New York Times, Washington Post, Politico now beginning to dip their toe into this issue involving the Joe Biden, what is his bribery and money laundering allegation scandals.
And now you've got Van Jones over at Fake News CNN saying what I've been telling you is now happening.
You'll know it's real when you see real investigative work into what we have been reporting, you know, almost single-handedly on television and radio.
The hard work of John Solomon played a big, big part in all of this.
And that is Democrats are really concerned about Joe Biden.
Nobody wants to go on TV and say it.
Well, he said it.
Listen.
Well, you know, that's a tricky one.
I think people are concerned about Joe Biden.
They really are.
I mean, Democrats are, you know, they talk behind their hand.
Nobody wants to get on TV and say it because we all like to be able to go to barbecues and house parties, but people are concerned.
And I do think that anybody but Trump going up against someone like Biden, given some of his challenges recently, probably might have a good shot and could make that age an issue.
The problem is when you put a Biden up against a Trump, Trump has so many other issues.
He's not that much younger that it becomes a little bit of a wash, and then people kind of just go back to their respective corners.
Okay.
Now, if this issue involving Victor Shokin doing an interview with my colleague Brian Kilmead talking about bribery, listen.
I do not want to deal in unproven facts.
But my firm personal conviction is that, yes, this was the case, that they were being bribed.
The fact that Joe Biden gave away $1 billion in U.S. money in exchange for my dismissal, my firing, isn't that alone a case of corruption?
Yes, that would be a case of corruption.
So as they get all giddy, our old friend Nicole Wallace, remember she ran the McCain campaign.
She worked for George W. Bush.
I don't know what's happened to her politically, but I always got along with her.
Listen to how she fights back her laugh as she talks about Trump headed to jail where three people have died.
Really?
Imagine if I said this and it was Joe Biden.
He will surrender himself for processing in an overcrowded jail with a reputation for violence and neglect.
A jail that is accustomed to holding defendants facing charges up to and including violent crimes where stabbings are frequent.
Actually, three people have lost their lives over the last month.
That jail is where the disgraced ex-president of these United States is heading right now.
What's going to happen if this Biden bribery and money laundering scandal results in Joe Biden having to go through the same thing?
Wonder if they're going to be as giddy over at MSDNC at that moment.
Anyway, let's get to our busy phones.
Chad in Texas.
Chad, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Sean, I'm good.
Thanks for asking.
Hope you're doing well.
Happy Friday to you.
And the short word here is my top talking point is about the muckshot heard round the world.
That's the short version of it.
And I hope there's time here to get this in.
First and foremost, Sean, and this also goes to your staff.
It's not a one-man show that you have there.
So everything that you do day in and day out is, especially now in these troubling times, even though you say every day, let your heart be troubled.
Even for individuals like myself and you and Faith and all of that, it is a little bit trouble these days.
So you're the shining light and a beacon of voice to keep us sane and to know that at the end, hopefully everything is going to be okay.
So the muckshot heard around the world and obviously and then seen around the world, another one of those things that broke the internet.
So I saw this in different ways and I narrowed it down to two.
Number one, obviously it's no surprise that this is happening.
These events unfolding, unprecedented events, not ever happened before in our country.
And it's happening to one specific man that they still cannot get over, that they cannot get rid of.
And he is in the way of all of us.
We all know that.
He doesn't have to do this.
He didn't have to do it in 2016.
Ever since June 15th, 2016, coming down that escalator, he has been the target of the left more than the most vicious criminals in our country's history.
He didn't have to do it in 2020.
He obviously did his reelection campaign.
He's doing it now, but he doesn't have to.
The other side of it is very troubling.
And my son just turned 15 years old last week and tried to explain it to him.
Of course, I don't always talk politics or whatever.
It's very difficult to explain why this is happening or even anyone that doesn't even follow politics but may side to the right.
Why is this happening?
And there's other things that I can say here at constraints of time.
I cannot go into it.
But it's very sad of where this country is and where it's going.
And we have one day coming up here in the next couple of weeks.
September the 11th is where we could put all of this aside and come together as one.
That is the only day.
We can't even do that at Christmas sometimes.
But for us Americans here, especially the ones, I don't want to do left, right, or center, but know right from wrong, can see it for what it is.
Once September the 12th happens, and then boom, it's back to square one.
It's back to hearing all of these indictments and arrests and this.
Well, I think a lot of people have already forgotten about 9-11.
I think one of them is Joe Biden.
I mean, this deal that his Justice Department wants to cut with the Al-Qaeda five, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is unfathomable to me.
And I just can't believe the stupidity of it all.
Yeah, 9-11 did bring Americans together like we hadn't seen in a long time, and we could probably use a little bit more of that for sure.
But in this political environment, I don't see it.
I just don't.
And I think that, you know, we now are living through really dangerous times for the Republic.
If our Department of Justice is weaponized and politicized, and the same with our FBI, weaponized and politicized, that scares me.
And by the way, I'm not looking for unfair justice.
I want Lady Justice to be blind.
But it's not blind in this case.
In this case, it's get this guy at all costs.
That's what this is.
And it's obvious to anybody with eyes to see.
Right.
When is the last time anything has been said about, you know, well, they pretty much forgotten about the cocaine found in the White House?
I mean, that's never happened before in our country.
All of the, you know, all of this stuff is going at him to defer from the guy, I shouldn't say the guy that is a president, from the president that is in office right now and everything that has conspired of his dealings with Hunter.
And all of that is to attack, continuously attack, throw it on Trump.
So where hopefully the stuff about the Biden family syndicate that you do an incredible job and your staff as well and your team do an incredible job of bringing it to light.
But that other side of the aisle, they don't want that.
It is everything to shy away from it to continue to pile on to Donald Trump.
And so, yeah, as you said, Abess, these are very, very troubling times.
And it's hard to see that some light at the end of the tunnel.
But, you know, get us to 2024.
And as Donald Trump always says, let's see what happens.
Well, we really don't have any other choice, do we?
If you're asking me if I feel particularly confident, I don't.
I'm very concerned about the country, the direction of the country.
And, you know, this guy is, Van Jones is right.
You know, he's just saying what very few Democrats will say publicly.
But however, the dam might break.
The dominoes may begin to fall, and I may be proven right.
We'll find out.
Anyway, Chad, thank you.
Have a great weekend.
Appreciate the call.
David in Vegas, he's on K-Dawn Radio.
What's up, David?
How are you?
Happy Friday.
Good, John.
How are you doing, man?
Happy Friday.
All good.
What's going on?
You know, I called because I just can't believe that it hasn't surfaced up to the top yet that we really need to be in a position.
We are in a position where we can impeach Merrick Garland.
I mean, he testified in Congress, not just a yes or no answer, but he vehemently testified that Weiss had more power than a special counsel.
He didn't need to be a special counsel because he had more power than a special counsel.
And now he's assigned him a special counsel.
Well, there are a couple of benefits he gets out of appointing David Weiss as the special counsel.
And one of them is now David Weiss, who was accused by IRS whistleblowers that took contemporaneous notes when David Weiss was complaining he didn't have the power to go into other jurisdictions in his investigation into Hunter and that he allowed the statute of limitations to run out on many of these charges and he never charged him with a fairer crime.
And the initial plan was to just give him a pass on all of it anyway.
And only because the whistleblowers came out that he come up with a sweetheart plea agreement.
Well, that also takes off the table any ability he would have to go before Congress and answer that question.
He'd say, well, this is all part of an ongoing investigation.
I'm not allowed to comment at this time.
And that provides both of them cover because I believe the whistleblowers.
I think they did tell the truth.
And I do believe that Weiss did say he didn't have the authority.
And that would mean that Garland didn't tell the truth.
That would mean that David Weiss didn't tell the truth.
And, you know what?
There's just too much credibility behind these whistleblowers to make me believe otherwise.
And, you know, there were four other people in that room.
We got to hear from them.
And Republicans are making efforts to hear from them too.
So stay tuned.
I think that's an unfolding story.
Appreciate the call, David.
Have a good weekend.
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Chris, Washington State.
What's up, Chris?
How are you?
I'm well, Sean.
Thanks.
Honor to speak with you.
Honor's all mine.
What's going on?
Well, I'm terribly concerned about these January 6th people that have been jailed and persecuted, prosecuted.
I think this is going to be a stain on our republic and our Constitution that we're going to look back, you know, five, ten, whatever years, and shake our heads that this has gone on.
And, you know, I would like to see everyone that was on that debate stage hold their right hand up and say, you know, and pledge to pardon these people.
I think here's the problem with what you're saying.
And I have a very different problem with this whole issue.
I don't like the dual standard of justice.
You're going to treat what happened on January 6th, but those people that did enter the Capitol unlawfully, they broke the law.
You know, now, do I think some of them have been punished excessively and made an example of, et cetera, et cetera?
Yeah, I believe that.
Selective prosecution.
But, you know, we have all this video footage of 574 riots in the summer of 2020.
And we've not prioritized looking at the people responsible for killing a couple of dozen dead Americans, killing a couple of a dozen Americans.
They're dead now and also causing billions in property damage.
And those that injured over 2,000 cops hauling bricks and rocks and Molotov cocktails at cops that got injured.
Why didn't we use all the video evidence and footage there to go after them?
Where's the summer of 2024?
I'm sorry, 2020 riot committee in Washington.
We didn't have one.
And there's been very little to zero follow-up in spite of all the evidence, video evidence that we have available to us.
That bothers me.
I'll give you the last word.
I agree.
I agree completely.
And also, I agreed.
I like what Newt Gingrich had to say, how they're coming after Trump.
And then always remember what Donald says.
When they're coming after me, they're coming after you.
And they already are.
Look at what's going on with these jailed J6 folks.
And it's not going to stop there if things don't change and the DOJ is not, you know, the weaponization of the DOJ is frightening.
It's one of the most egregious things I've seen as a patriotic company.
It's interesting you bring this up because former FBI agent Nicole Parker and Eric Eggers with the Government Accountability Institute, we're going to take a deeper dive into the Joe Biden, what is now a bribery and money laundering allegation scandal that seems to be getting more real by the hour.
But of course, the media is trying to ignore that.
Anyway, appreciate the call.
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