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Trial of the Century - May 30th, Hour 3
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So many of you might not have heard of this, and the great legal scholar, friend of this program, Greg Jarrett, is now out with a new book, and it's it's it's phenomenal.
I mean, since I picked it up, I can't put it down.
Uh about a century ago, you have famed liberal attorney Clarence Darrow, most of you have heard of, uh, defending a school teacher, John Scopes, in what it became a blockbuster legal proceeding that brought the attention of this, you know, to the entire country of a small town of called Dayton in Tennessee, not Dayton, Ohio.
And Darrow's, you know, defense of freedom of speech helped form the legal bedrock on which our civil liberties depend today.
Um, I mean, like everything Greg does, it was expertly researched, and it is just it's it's just you know, why most people don't know about it, I don't know.
I'm glad he actually took this topic and and ran with it, and it's out now in his brand new book.
It's called Trial of the Century, uh, Amazon.com, Hannity.com today, bookstores everywhere around the country.
If you want a uh first print signed edition, you can go to the Greg Jarrett Book.com, the Greg Jarrett, one word dot com slash book.
Uh Greg Jarrett joins us now.
How are you, sir?
Hey, I'm well.
And thank you very much.
I'm glad you enjoy the book.
I appreciate it.
It's a subject that you know anybody under 50 or so has never heard of the trial of the century.
Back then it was known as the Scopes Monkey Trial, which is what the press dubbed it, a misconception uh that that man evolved from monkeys and other primates.
And you know, our free speech rights were hanging in the balance in this case.
States were banning books on evolution and other subjects.
In Tennessee, they literally made it a crime for an educator in a public school to teach evolution, a cornerstone theory in in science.
And you know, America could have gone one way or the other, and this really made uh the Scopes trial uh the trial of the century.
It really has.
Why don't you take everybody through it and tell them the the background, the story, and then the impact that it's had, it's been lasting ever since.
Yeah, you know, uh 1925, after World War One, you know, America turned inward, and there was this great fundamentalist movement that swept the nation, led by the iconic William Jennings Bryan, a three-time uh presidential candidate for the Democrats, and he pressured states into banning books on evolution, and in Tennessee, as I say, made it a crime.
And within days, literally, this young school teacher, John Scopes was arrested and criminally charged and taken off to jail under this new statute that said you can't teach evolution, even though it was taught in the state-approved textbooks everywhere.
And Clarence Darrow is reading about this as he sits in his office in Chicago, the famed, acclaimed lawyer, the finest lawyer who ever lived, and and who became my idol.
Uh he's incensed and he volunteers to defend scopes, so it pits this Titanic clash between two great American icons in the 1920s, Darrow versus Brian, evolution versus creationism.
You know, the law was passed because the fear was that evolution undermined and conflicted with the story of the divine creation in the Bible, which it did not.
And that was Darrow's argument all along, that these are two concepts that live in harmony.
Uh and you know, he tried to convince the judge to allow esteem theologians to take the stand, uh, to say just that.
Uh the judge by the way, it's important that you point this out.
There are people that think it's mutually exclusive.
Either you believe in evolution or you believe in creationism.
No, creationism and the belief that a natural law or that rights come from God and that God is a creator, uh, didn't also create an an evolutionary process.
Um actually that is the heart of science, which is the heart of creation as well.
You're absolutely right.
That was Darrow's position.
Indeed, it's the position of 98% of theologians in the world, the position of Pope Francis, who said not long ago that, you know, evolution presupposes creation.
They live together in harmony.
But, you know, back then, there was a different belief.
And, you know, Darrow argued that if you make, you know, the Bible, the yardstick by which all learning is, is measured where do we stop are we going to ban magazines and newspapers?
Are we going to ban all thought?
As I say in the story, he and his young school teacher client fought for the indispensable proposition that no one should be told how to think that you know our intellect is an open canvas of possibilities.
We should be free to paint it uh as we see free and so America stood at the precipice and you know most people think Darrow won he actually lost but what he did was he shifted America's opinion and it was a sea change and it stopped the banning of books uh evolution and other scientific theories were then allowed to be taught in public schools.
But, you know, free speech was at risk, and we cherish it today, which makes this trial just as relevant now as it was nearly 100 years ago.
You know, it is fascinating.
And, you know, fast forward to the debates we have today, drag queen story hour and teaching transgenderism to even young kids in school.
I would argue that's indoctrinating our kids or the battle over CRT.
And meanwhile, we spend more per capita per education than any industrialized country.
But the kids can't read, write, do math, science, or history, and certainly don't know a thing about computers.
And we have failed them spectacularly.
um uh in a in many ways it's like a modern day version isn't it sure is and uh look the climactic moment of the trial came when Darrow, realizing he was losing, pulls a rabbit out of his hat and he dares to call the prosecutor William Jennings Bryant of the witness stand as an expert on the Bible knowing that Brian couldn't resist because his ego is as big as all outdoors.
And I had great respect for the man.
He was a wonderful statesman.
So Brian takes the witness stand.
They move it outdoors.
They're fearful that the courtroom is going to collapse under the great weight of all the spectators.
Thousands of people converge on the lawn outside the courthouse, and there they hold a cross-examination.
And Darrow picks apart Brian, who believed that everything in the Bible should be taken literally.
And he utterly destroyed Brian.
So much so that Bryan broken man laid down for a nap a couple of days later still in Dayton just down the street from the courthouse and never woke up.
Unbelievable.
Well now what got you interested in this in the first place I mean obviously you you you love history you love the law um you do the deepest dives in the topics that I've ever seen um I I watched Greg Wright's previous two number one best selling books uh as his office was next to mine and fox and I I see the amount of work you put into this and the amount of you know research was unbelievable here.
Well, I went to the courthouse a couple of years ago and went through the archives, and there was the original trial transcript along with handwritten notes from the court reporter, and that is upon which the book is based.
I read the lengthy trial transcript over and over, and that's the fundamental part of the chapters on the trial itself.
So you will see as you read a along uh Darrow's withering cross examination of William Jennings Bryant and how Bryant, you know, fumbled and mumbled.
The crowd was in favor of Bryan, and suddenly they shifted as they watched this great man who they expected to have all the answers, had no answers at all.
Let me ask you as we move on to some other topics.
By the way, Greg's new book is out.
You can get it at uh signed first print edition at the Gregjarrett.com/slash book.
It's called Trial of the Century.
It's in bookstores as of today and Hannity.com, Amazon.com.
You know, we we keep watching the Biden syndicate and we keep learning more and more about government abuse of power and the DOJ and the FBI and their involvement in things.
You know, one of the questions that somebody brought up over the long weekend was um and Congress is going to look into this.
Why wasn't anybody why wasn't um struck McCabe, Comey, Kleinsmith, you know, how did they get away with not cooperating with the Durham probe?
Well, they got away with it because uh they simply refused, and you know, there was no way to force them.
I mean, Cummy refused to cooperate, he refused uh to, you know, testify under oath or even discuss it with the the Durham investigators, and you know, it would have required deep litigation to force him to do that,
and in the end, he might just well have taken the fifth uh you know, so it's unfortunate, but you know, you didn't really need Comey and McCabe and Strzok and all of the others because their documents were there, the paper trail incriminated them, and their lawless actions, their abuse of power.
Uh the Durham Report has vindicated everything that you, Sean Hannity argued for the better part of the last five or six years, uh, and which I believe I got correct in my first two books, The Russia Hoax and Witch Hunt.
Uh, you know, they never had any credible evidence to open an investigation of Trump.
They knew it.
They debunked the dossier, and yet they decided to lie, not just to the FISA court, the American public, the President himself, they lied to Congress.
They did it because they hated Trump and they wanted to destroy him.
Um, let me ask you this.
Now that we've learned about the FBI's involvement in both the 2016 and 2020 election, and we're talking about the dossier in in 2016 and and a lot more to it.
I'm just giving this a quick summary here.
And now we know that the FBI that had the laptop in 2019 verified it in the spring of 2020.
Why would why then were they telling big tech that they may be victims of a misinformation campaign on a weekly basis, and even specifically mentioning that it may be about Joe or Hunter Biden.
Um how is it that has not is not resonating in the country?
Because I could imagine that if there was a misinformation campaign with Donald Trump's FBI and and say there was something negative out there about one of the Trump kids, why do I think that the reaction would be distinctly different?
For the mainstream media to admit it, to do stories on it, honest, forthright uh stories, would be uh an inherent admission that they committed the worst act of media malpractice in my lifetime.
They won Pulitzer Prizes uh for getting this story fundamentally wrong.
And those of us who got it right were mock ridiculed and demeaned.
So And also uh I think they did a little bit of looking into our backgrounds, likely illegally, didn't I, Greg?
Oh, of course they did.
I mean, uh that that's one of the things you learn in the Durham Report.
What is it, 276,000 times the misused FISA by spying on Americans and collecting data uh, you know, without the proper warrant.
I mean, this just demonstrates to me what I have long argued that the FBI is a crooked organization at the top, not the middle, not the bottom.
Those are honest, honorable people, but on the seventh floor of the Hoover building, and the FBI needs to be deconstructed and reconstructed uh the way it was meant to be.
We need another church commission uh to expose the lawlessness of these people and to undertake legislation to stop it.
It's unreal.
Now the CIA you can add to the list as well, according to one of the whistleblowers.
Oh, yeah, they invented a lie uh in order to help Joe Biden get elected, and it worked.
Well, by the way, Kevin McCarthy did warn FBI director Ray that he's going to face contempt of uh Congress charges if he doesn't produce the FBI's Biden bribery evidence by the end of the day.
That's that 1023 form.
Um apparently, I guess Ray has agreed to meet with Comer.
We'll see how that plays out.
Yeah, there are two courses of action you can take criminal contempt of Congress and civil.
Don't go the criminal route because that has to be handed off to a U.S. attorney who reports to guess who?
Merrick Garland.
As does Christopher Ray.
So nothing will happen.
The better course is to proceed with civil contempt of Congress.
File a lawsuit, go to a federal judge, hopefully an impartial one, who will then, I suspect, order Ray to turn over the document because it's not classified, and there are no reasonable legitimate grounds to be withholding it from Congress, which has an oversight duty uh to look into FBI abuse, not to mention potential criminal activities existing president.
That's their job.
Oversight, you said the right word.
Uh Greg Jarrett is new book out today, bookstores all around the country.
It's called Trial of the Century.
You don't want to miss it.
Uh Amazon.com, Hannity.com, bookstores all across the country.
If you want to sign first copy, first printed edition, uh, Greg has it up on the website, the Greg Jarrett, one word dot com slash book, the gregjarrett.com slash book.
Greg, we always love having you.
Thank you, my friend.
Sean, thank you so much for your support and your friendship.
Appreciate it.
You bet.
Thank you.
Great work.
We'll continue.
Linda, you drive me nuts about getting on the road.
What now?
I am an eager, eager girl.
You know, I want things to happen when I want them to happen, and uh I've been bugging you for quite a while.
I love getting on the road.
I love seeing the American people, and um, I'm stoked, man.
You know, being in the Des Moines area and and being able to hang out with you in 45.
I mean, I think everybody should go to Handity.com right now, sign up, get their tickets, and and come see us, because I think it's going to be unbelievable.
It's gonna be we'll be in Des Moines, Iowa.
It'll be this Thursday n uh night, or and uh it'll be on Hannity on the Fox News Channel.
It's gonna be uh a Hannity Trump Town Hall.
Uh for those of you saying, well, Hannity, you're only no, we're gonna put the other candidates on.
We'll give them we'll give them time as well.
As we promised, and by the way, as we polled all of you and you over yell overwhelmingly yelled at me that that's what you want.
So I'm let me tell you why this is what I want.
And I think that the audience would agree with me.
I do.
The audience?
The audience.
I don't know how they say it in Iowa, but I'm willing to learn.
What is it?
You know, I really feel like in New York there are wonderful conservatives.
They're kind of hiding in the corners.
There's even some liberals that have crossed back over to our side of the aisle because they see what a terrible disaster, you know, New York has become in every corner and crevice.
But I really feel like we're gonna get out on the road and we're gonna see the way people work the way, you know, it's kind of like how we talked about during COVID, like trucker's truck, farmers farm, people are out there raising their kids, they're going to school, they're trying to feed, you know, feed them and pay their mortgage and all the things.
Like, that's where I want to go see these people.
I don't want to be in the bashing of liberalism trying to act like that.
We don't do this.
We we we do this every election season.
This is the same thing.
We do, but this is not like these really big live town halls.
Like that to me is so fun.
I've done a few of the they're amazing.
They're they're rocking, they're fun.
Um, I got a lot of feedback on the audience show.
Um, and we'll have one tomorrow night.
If you want to go to Hannity.com, you can sign up for tomorrow night show if you're in the New York, New Jersey, Long Island area.
Or you know what we're finding is people are building vacations going for it, whatever reason they choose New York City.
Now, maybe because I live in New York, the last place I choose to go on vacation is New York City.
However, other people want to see the city.
I mean, they've they've never been to an area like that.
And in that sense it's it's definitely worth a trip in your life to go see New York City and the Statue of Liberty and and see all these tall buildings and the Freedom Tower and the Empire State Building.
I mean it's got an incredible history behind it.
Uh a lot of people like Broadway shows.
I'm not a big Broadway guy, but some pe people really love it.
So they have a great time.
I think Mark Simone likes that, doesn't he?
Listen, everybody likes it.
I was just with Mark Simone last week and we're walking around Manhattan and he goes, Okay, this restaurant is really good for Italian and this restaurant we were, you know, and I mean it's listen, you have to keep your eyes and ears open and you have to pay attention, but there there really is no city other than New York.
We are gonna get it back.
We are gonna make it great.
It is not always going to be what it is right now.
He's never dude, he is Mr. New York.
I mean, if it's only taxpayer, he'll be paying the entire freight.
The rest of his life.
The rest of his life.
He forget about it.
Unreal.
Uh we have some other issues.
You know, Hillary Clinton shockingly has jumped into the and chiming in that the state of Florida is not safe for African Americans and gays.
Can we take this this new you know, talking point?
Just can we just go a little further?
Any red state is not safe for anybody, you know, since they had this travel advisory from the NAACP.
It's such a crock.
Um and ironically, if that was the case, then why does the head of the NAACP live in Florida?
They haven't been able to do that.
And he got mad.
He got mad when they called him on it.
He's like, That's irrelevant.
I'm like, um I'm pretty sure it's not.
Pretty sure if you're in fear of your life, you would get out of the place where you thought they were gonna come and murder you.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
By the way, oh, there's a huge bullseye on Target now.
They took a ten billion dollar hit in their backlash because of you know, they had the the women's bathing suits for men with uh what do they call that area to hide their private parts?
I don't know.
I call it Tucky Junk, but I don't know what the real name is.
I think Tuck Your Junk has a really nice ring to it.
I suggest everyone hashtag that phrase.
You know, for or against it works.
It gives it's a very clear picture of what's happening.
How is it the New York Times wants a little more kink in the children's movie or remake of The Little Mermaid?
What the hell does that mean?
It's just gross.
I uh just leave the kids alone, please.
Stop honestly, they gotta they gotta stop.
You know, we have Drag Queen Story Hour, uh transgender education for first or third grades in some places.
I mean, th this is n this is nuts.
It's nuts.
It's too much.
It's why?
Why are you so hell bent on exposing our children to all this over sexualization?
I just don't get it.
It makes no sense to me.
Well, that Miller Light didn't learn and and Budweiser Light didn't learn.
Oh and you know who else is falling in line now?
Coles.
Coles has a whole thing out today.
Um what the hell's going on?
I mean, are they not watching what's happening to everyone else?
Anyway, they became the latest retailer to market LGBTQ clothing to children.
Why are they t targeting children in this?
How about you let the parents decide what clothes to buy their kids?
It's that simple.
You know, because it's not like the kids have the money to buy the clothes anyway.
Uh all right, let me get to my busy phones here.
Uh Roxanne is with us in Texas.
What's on your mind?
Well, I'm I'm sharing my frustration with the whole transgender uh marketing that's going on right now, and I think y'all had just a an excellent conversation about it just now.
But I am a transgender female here deep in Texas.
And I'm living my life quietly and happily.
I'm involved in my community.
And what I see going on is not representative of the transgender community as I know it.
Because as a transgender female, when I go somewhere and I see a masculine man with his beard and chest and a woman's uh wedding dress or a masculine figure in a woman's bathing suit with all of his um uh figure going on.
Um I just see that as wrong.
And I and quite honestly, I haven't met anybody who's in agreement with this that thinks that that's attractive or cute or pretty.
Well, so you you yourself made the decision to become trans.
Is that that a fair statement?
I made the decision to become female.
I am we're female.
Okay.
So but such uh so that's called transitioning, isn't it?
That's uh I mean I don't want to play word games or parsed uh words.
But you that's correct.
You made this uh decision as an adult, correct?
Correct.
Okay.
And maybe it's something you struggled with when you were young.
I'm just too it is.
I had a military father though who wasn't gonna stand for it.
Um and we had a great relationship.
I'd had a great childhood.
Um I actually went on to live a quite normal manly life, except um I could never seem to get um I I couldn't hold a job, and it just wasn't really anything I was doing.
I was just caught up in this whole recycling and downcycling over and over again um that it cost me a marriage.
And through a series of events, it's a long story, but anyways, uh several years ago I went into counseling and they said, Have you ever considered gender dysphoria?
And then it all started making sense for me and coming together.
And I will say that I am in a much better place emotionally and mentally for making that decision.
Um and things are going great right now.
You know, well, first of all, I think I I think most of my audience would agree with me, and I can't speak for everybody, obviously, is as an adult, you have something in this country that we should all cherish, and we're losing a lot of it unfortunately on a regular basis, it's called freedom.
And I I I uh m my belief is if you have the belief that everyone has the right to pursue happiness, and this is your way of pursuing happiness, I'll be very blunt, Roxanne.
It's none of my business.
My hope for you would be that you have a happy, healthy, prosperous life.
What I like in what you're saying is you don't like this indoctrination or inundating our children with it.
Um tell me why.
Well, because that's a decision for the family.
Um, you know, that's that's something that's quite personal.
And I think that when a child is showing signs of that, they should let that play out a little bit and decide whether or not it needs to be going through counseling or whatever, but that's a family decision.
You know, I I'm just look, I agree with you, and I think I do you agree with me that kids that are, you know, in some instances and not even pre-pubescent, uh, or teenagers, you agree with me that they're not spiritually, mentally, psychologically developed enough to make such a a drastic decision like this?
Yes, I do agree with that.
You know, and it'd be a phase.
It could be a phase, exactly.
And and maybe at that point they need loving parents, maybe they don't like what they're dealing with, however, um, that are are gonna be there for them, love them unconditionally, but also make sure that they help the child get to the bottom of it.
We you know, we don't need kids in such conflict that you know they they you know, they get depressed, they get you know, who knows what's gonna go through their head next, right?
Well, I think I think we're in agreement with that.
Um and and to another issue, I'm I'm gonna change the subject just a little bit, but as far as men going into women's spaces, um a transgender person wants to blend in, and the term that we don't want to hear is clocked, clocked meaning that you've been identified as transgender.
We want to pass as the gender that's in our head.
So for me, I want to pass as female.
And if someone identifies me as sir or or male, uh that's not good.
Do you think some people do it on purpose to just be a jackass or uh well obviously I I have uh people here in East Texas, you know, I'm in the Bible belt here, and there are people that just won't accept it.
Um others um have they can't even remember what I used to be like.
But they but they're not your friends anyway.
I mean, at the end of the day.
I mean people people that truly believe in liberty and freedom, they may not agree with it.
They may have more they may have religious conflicts over it, for example.
It's another part of this.
Here's another part of this that when I am called sir, because it does happen, um, and it's not out of being malicious or anything, it's just that it's they've known me for so long, they can't help it.
And they do apologize, and I tell them it's okay.
I don't get militant about it, I don't correct them.
I go, I understand because I am st I am changing your paradigm.
I am asking you to understand where I'm coming from and believe in what I'm telling you.
And I have been well accepted here in East Texas.
I thought I'd Have to move, but the people of East Texas have been wonderful.
They love me because they look at my character and what I bring to the table.
And that's what we need to do.
We need to be part of the communities.
Caitlin Jenner just started a new pack.
I think you'd be perfect to work on her on her pack.
Now I knew Caitlin when Caitlin was Bruce.
And actually, when this first all went down and was public, I I literally said, and it was I was just goofing around, to be honest.
I said, now if I call you Bruce, you're not going to get all wigged out on me, are you?
And she started laughing.
She goes, No, you can call me whatever the hell you want.
Um and she had a good sense of humor about it.
Uh we've had discussions.
I understand more than I did before.
Um, do I wish this for anybody?
I really don't.
I'm gonna tell you why, because what I what I sense in a lot of people is that there's a lot of emotional and mental and spiritual turmoil that goes along with this process that you all decided to go through.
And that part of it I don't wish on anybody.
I I want everyone to be happy.
Yes, absolutely.
I mean, I grew up Southern Baptist.
I'm an episcopalian now.
Um, but yeah, I I wrestled with that, and uh, and trust me, me and God are completely good on this.
Um, you know, I I like I said it all comes down to character and what do you bring to the table.
Um, let me call God.
God, are you good with Roxanne?
Okay, no, I I think you're good.
You think so?
Uh well, I I think No, I mean, I uh what I'm glad about is I well the thing that frustrates me in this whole debate and and even the you know drag queen story hour stuff is leave our kids alone.
This is value should be instilled by parents.
There are certain decisions that parents and parents alone should be making.
In the instances where there aren't parents, hopefully there are grandparents or there are supervising adults that would take on the role of a parent and work with the child in a loving way that that does not cause them great damage.
I gotta run, Roxanne.
Listen, call back again.
We'd love to have you, okay?
All right, real good.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
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