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Meet Vivek Ramaswamy - May 16th, Hour 2
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This is an iHeart Podcast.
Uh, in a second, we'll be joined by Vivek Ramaswamy.
He's a GOP presidential candidate.
Uh, I want to get his reaction to this Durham report that the mob, the media, of course.
Uh it's it's beyond sad.
When you look at all that has been said here, here's a montage of your media mob reacting to all this.
This Bill Bar holdover named John Durham has been working away, but with very few results.
And I'm talking about this.
I have it right here, actually.
Because we're going to get to this tonight.
He just released this lengthy final report.
It runs about 300 pages.
And it's a dud.
The only good news is at least his four-year taxpayer-funded boondoggle is over.
Four years of nothing.
Seems to be a complete dud.
Once again, another dud by John Durham.
The whole thing is predicated on it it's like a rabbit hole conspiracy that suggests that that the Trump bar paranoia infected his ability to stand back and evaluate whether the probe yielded guilty convictions of people who would have had nothing to do with any of these questions he looked at.
Durham is a is a kind of pathetic character.
I think federal prosecutors have like a 97% conviction rate.
Yeah.
He was old for two.
He got a plea for a parking ticket.
That's it.
Four years.
I don't know how many millions of dollars.
I don't know how many people, how many of his friends he hired in his office to do what?
To issue a basically blatantly false report.
John Durham, uh once highly respected, hard-nosed prosecutor, has twisted himself into a pretzel in an attempt to deliver what he could not deliver.
If the goal was to rack up many, many indictments and prove all of this Russia-Russia-Russia stuff as Trump says wrong, he's failed miserably.
There's nothing there, Sarah.
I mean, this is really a rehashing of what the DOJ inspector general found four years ago.
This is a political opinion piece, effectively.
This was a whole big nothing.
did not prove this deep state conspiracy because it never existed in the first place all right viveka ramaswamy uh joins us now um you know i'm looking at the the wording of all of this either the u.s law enforcement or the intelligence community has seemed to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings uh at the commencement of the crossfire hurricane investigation It came from an Australian source, uh, it goes on to say.
FBI Deputy Director McCabe directed deputy assistant director for counterintelligence, Peter Strzok to open an investigation without ever having spoken to the person who provided the information, checking their databases or asking their own experts.
The investigation was opened based on raw, unanalyzed, uncorroborated intelligence.
It ended up coming from Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Investigators used the phony Hillary Clinton DNC bought and paid for steel Russian dossier, even though, quote, they did not and could not corroborate any of the substantive allegations.
Igor Danchenko, quote, sourced the subsource for for Christopher Steele, said it was rumor and speculation, and the result of bar talk or casual conversation is what Durham said.
Yet the FBI still paid Danchenko.
Remember, they offered uh corroboration if if Steele could corroborate this thing, they offered him a million dollars.
He couldn't, and then they used all of it as the foundation for not one but four separate Pfizer warrants uh that they were able to secure against Carter Page to backdoor into the Trump campaign and presidency.
And none of these people, it says on the top of uh Pfizer warrant verified, it was not only not verified, it was unverifiable.
Anyway, uh Vivek Ramaswamy joins us now.
Sir, how are you?
Good, good.
You nailed it.
This is corruption all the way down, and in some sense, you're being too charitable because you're citing all of these facts, presuming that there were good intentions in the first place.
There were no good intentions here.
And the problem with our Police state, our administrative police state and the FBI in particular is that the culture has become so rotten that it cannot be reformed from within.
The only answer left, I think, is you have to shut it down.
That is the only way you rot out actually this corruption.
And you think about the piling on evidence after evidence is not just this instance.
I mean, this is an agency that even since the time it was going after Martin Luther King.
Think about this sixty years ago, was trying to pressure Martin Luther King and blackmail him into committing suicide.
Now it's an agency that goes after Donald Trump in the last election cycle.
The only question is who's next.
This is not the rule of law in America.
We're a country built on the rule of law, and that means you cannot have a federal law enforcement apparatus that views the law itself as a constraint, as an inconvenience.
We need to restore law enforcement and federal law enforcement in particular, thinking about the law as its motivation rather than as an inconvenience.
And I don't think, Sean, we're going to get there with the existing FBI.
I think we have to actually shut it down because the bureaucratic rot runs so deep.
That's what we have to think about in terms of solutions, and that's where my head is as I go into potentially assuming the presidency.
I couldn't agree with you more.
I don't think there's any any any other option at this particular point in time.
You know, the lack of curiosity in terms of the Biden family and the amount of monies that they were receiving as a family and the different family members and the you know twenty that we know of, according to James Comer LLCs that was set up, how much money did the Bidens make from China?
How much did they make from Russia?
How much did they make from Ukraine?
How much did they make from Kazakhstan?
Um and yet there's no curiosity at all by the media.
And here you have the FBI running wild, you know, with these bizarre uh allegations, three long years, you know, putting the American people through all this, and I I'm frankly stunned at the complicity of not only the media but the lack of understanding of the severity and the danger of a dual justice system.
Sean, again, you are nailing the facts, and I love it because people need to be informed on the specifics.
I'm sad to say I'm not stunned, because at this point, this has become the norm rather than the exception.
And you think about it, where does this come from?
That's one of the questions that's worth asking.
Part of the problem is when you have a bureaucracy that should not exist, it then finds things to do and takes on a purpose of its own, being accountable to no one.
So at the local level, you've got police and you've got prosecutors.
They don't have an intermediating agency sitting in between them.
Well, in the federal government, you have the U.S. Marshals and then you have the DOJ.
The DOJ has its problems, that's separate.
But you don't need a separate FBI sitting in the middle of them, yet when you do, that's when you create a kingdom unto itself that believes and behaves as though it actually rules as a king, determining who does and doesn't get to win elections, who does and does not get to actually govern in this country.
Evidence doesn't matter.
It's actually going to be their decision of who ultimately gets to govern in the country.
And so that's an abandonment of the rule of law.
And and Sean, this is part of a deeper symptom.
I know these things may seem disconnected, but I don't think they are disconnected.
I think they're deeply connected.
When you see the immigrants crossing the southern border by the tens of thousands per day, that too is a symptom of a deeper abandonment of a culture of the rule of law in this country.
So when you have the federal law enforcement apparatus itself setting an example for the entire nation, saying that they don't care about the law.
In fact, they're going to regularly violate the law, and they have no interest in even handedly enforcing the laws, then why would the rest of the country, or even people outside the country, respect that law either?
Hence you have illegals crossing the southern border.
Hence you have crimes spreading across cities in this country.
It's not an accident that these things happen at the same time, Sean.
They're a symptom of a deeper abandonment of the rule of law itself, but that starts with when federal law enforcement itself gives up on the law, how can you expect anybody else to follow it?
That is what's going on in our country.
Let me let me give you another take on this.
In my view, this was not a hoax uh as much as it was an attempted coup.
Uh an attempt to, you know, you know, destroy the presidency of one man and prevent him from ever getting elected again.
And that to me has got to be fully understood by people at the end of the day.
But this is not the only time in 2016 that the FBI is putting the thumb or or cinder blocks on the scales of a presidential election.
I mean, the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop in December of 2019.
Uh they, according to John Solomon, they had authenticated it in the spring of 2020.
But yet in the months leading up to the 2020 presidential election, you had FBI officials that were meeting weekly with big tech companies warning them that they may be victims of a misinformation campaign, and it may be about Joe Biden, it may be about Hunter Biden.
I used the word pre-bunking the Hunter Biden, the very real Hunter Biden laptop story, uh in the lead up to an election.
They knew that story would get out because they knew Rudy had a copy of it.
And then on top of that, you have fifty-one former Intel agents, Brenton, apparently, according to Jim Jordan last night, you know, Brennan admitting that uh it was all political because he gets a note from Mike Morrell in 19 minutes, he signs on to the letter, and and Morell says the intent was what?
To get uh a talking point for against against Donald Trump in a debate in a couple of days, and they're so quick to jump on board, and then the report that active CIA agents were recruiting former Intel agents uh to sign on to this letter to help elect Joe Biden.
Um I think we've got a problem here, and I I don't see any any other solution than that which you have admitted that you know we have to start from scratch here.
This was the greatest law enforcement agency in the entire world, the premier law enforcement agency in the world.
I believed in our intelligence communities as well.
I no longer have faith in them.
I no longer have faith in them either, Sean.
I think no American should because they've given no American the reason to have that faith.
It is still the J. Edgar Hoover building in Washington, DC, that those people walk into every day.
And the funny thing is, Sean, if you look over the last sixty years, this is not a partisan issue, right?
This shouldn't be at least.
It's not Democrats or Republicans.
Everyone loses when the rule of law is abandoned, because if they can come for you today, they can come for the other side tomorrow.
The same shoe can fit the other foot.
But I love the language you use.
This is a sort of a bureaucratic coup, a coup of the bureaucracy.
That's the best way I've heard it described, because that's effectively what it is is a managerial class in the administrative police state rejecting the result of the democratic process and deciding that their judgment is actually what should govern instead.
And that can happen to the left, it can happen to the right.
But the point is we live in a country where the people decide.
We the people decide who governs.
We want the people who we elect to run the government to be the ones who actually run the government, not this unelected invisible class that actually runs the show today.
That is the old world European model.
The old world Europe model of actually cult people behind closed doors deciding the way society runs.
That's not the way we do things post-1776 on this side of the pond.
But the problem is we pretend like we live in a constitutional republic and a democracy with three.
No, not anymore.
It's a post-constitutional America to quote Levin.
All right, quick break more with Vivek Ramaswamy Republican candidate uh for president on the other side, 800, 941 Sean on number.
We'll get to a lot of your calls today as well as we continue.
GOP presidential candidate, businessman, uh best selling author, Vivek Ramaswamy's with us.
Let me have two minutes left.
You know, I've I've listened very closely to you, interviewed you now a few times.
I know all about your background.
I know you were born and raised in Cincinnati and Ohio, the heart and soul of America.
Uh I know that you're American business leader, you're a best-selling author.
You've uh, you know, very successful uh business career, but you seem to have come out of nowhere and just said I'm running for president.
Why do you think you can win this going up against the names that you know you'll be going against?
So Sean, you're right, I'm young.
I'm I'm 37 years old.
I'm the first millennial ever to run for U.S. president as a Republican.
The question my wife asked me was a good one, which is aren't you sure you're gonna be better at this twenty years from now?
That's that was the main reason we wouldn't have run.
But I actually think we need to do it as a young person now to reach the next generation.
We have a loss of civic pride, Sean.
You know this.
In the next generation, very few are even proud to be American.
Very few can even answer what it means to be an American.
We have a twenty-five percent recruitment deficit in our military because young people don't want to serve a country they are taught to hate.
I love this country because of what this country has given me.
I feel grateful to this country for allowing me to live the full American dream in the way that I have.
And I feel a responsibility to pass that on to the next generation, Sean, in a way that I don't think any other candidate on either party right now actually can.
I love what Trump did.
I was a big Trump fan, like you.
I voted for him.
And I love I want to build on that foundation.
But I want to pass that on, take it to the next level and do it for the next generation that we need to reach if we're ever going to have a country left at the end of it.
And you bet we will.
I believe that our best days are still ahead of us.
I'm not doom and gloom.
But I think it's not going to happen automatically.
I think we as a nation are a little young, actually.
Going through our version of adolescence, figuring out who we're going to be when we grow up.
And I do think it's going to take a leader in the next generation of the America First Movement to help get us there.
That is why I'm in this race.
I gotta say, I mean, you're very impressive, on air.
Um, your background's impressive.
Uh I think you are adding a lot to the debate, and I think it's healthy.
And uh we appreciate you coming on, appreciate your thoughts, and we'll have you on radio, we'll have you on TV and and give every like we'll give every candidate their opportunity to, you know, express themselves to the uh voting public.
And I hope one thing I do hope is that nobody named Joe Biden is elected again.
That would not be good, or Kamala Harris.
Uh anyway, Vivek Ramaswamy, thank you, sir.
Appreciate you being with us.
Thank you.
All right, 25 to the top of the hour.
We'll get to your calls here in a minute.
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Now, I've been saying for quite a while that Republicans need to get their act together.
My patience is now running thin.
Because I've been saying it now for six straight months.
I've said it to people on air, and I've said it to people behind the scenes.
And that is that if you look at how elections are run, the and I'm talking about I'm not talking about very specific laws or constitutions.
If I had my way, we'd have paper ballots.
If I had my way, every precinct, well, first of all, it would be a national holiday, election day.
If I had my way, that you know, you would limit mail-in ballots to our military, to people that are on the road for business, to the sick, to the infirm, etc.
Short of that, everybody votes on election day.
I would have at every precinct.
You have signature verification, you have voter ID, you have chain of custody controls, uh, you also uh have updated voter roles and partisan observers watching the vote counting all day long from start to finish in every precinct in America.
And then when the polls close, they watch well, you they watch the voting during the day, they watch the vote counting at night.
It's not that complicated.
But we don't have that system.
How is it that Joe Biden can hide in his basement, use COVID as an excuse.
He won't have that excuse this time, but he'll hide in his basement again.
Uh and get as many votes as as Joe Biden got.
I can't believe you know he got even ten million Americans to vote for him, to be honest, but that's my opinion.
And but you notice this this trend now is is becoming more glaring than ever before.
And that's because the Democrats are not running traditional election campaigns.
And you can look at the Fetterman campaign, he was in hiding, they were close to a million votes before he ever debated Dr. Oz already banked in Pennsylvania for that Senate race.
And Katie Hobbs, she never debated Kerry Lake one time.
Not once out in Arizona.
And what you see is a pattern emerging where you have hundreds of millions of dollars that these campaigns run in negative ads.
The candidates, they're not shaking hands, they're not kissing babies, they're not taking selfies, they're not doing press avails, they're not doing town halls, and if they can avoid it like Katie Hobbes, they won't do a single debate.
So what are they doing?
They're running negative ads and they're doing one other thing in many of these states.
Legal ballot harvesting.
And the state by state, there's different laws that allow somebody other than the person voting to actually hand in the ballot.
And Republicans have not matched that effort.
Now couple that with the mysterious reluctance and resistance that Republicans have towards mail and balloting and early voting, you've got yourself a prescription that is uh that lends itself to a disaster for Republicans.
Democrats are focused on process, not on ideas.
Not on not on principles, not on better, a better vision for the country.
They are focused solely on process, and that is negative ads, hide as much as you can, avoid the media, the media mob will put you in their media protection program, and then do ballot harvesting is at the highest level.
And Republicans have not matched that effort.
So what I'm telling all of you out there, whether you're a conservative, Republican, however you identify an independent, doesn't matter.
You know, Florida Republicans have not rejected voting early and voting by mail.
But the rest of the country seems to be doing that.
And if you do that, you're gonna start election day down a hundred thousand, five hundred thousand a million votes, and you've got to make it up on election day.
What if it's raining on election day in a key swing state, which can happen in November of any year?
So, you know, somebody better get their act together.
I'm getting pissed off at the RNC.
I've discussed it with people there numerous times, and I don't see any effort or urgency to resolve these issues.
That's their job.
They are to be competitive, and they're not competitive on the process side.
Now, the other issue I would say to Republicans is okay, if you want to nominate somebody that has radical positions on an issue like abortion, I'm talking about abortion politically.
There's a big difference in what I personally believe.
But if you're talking about politics, you know, a guy like Doug Mastriano, he went up against the Democrat Alan Shapiro.
He was Alan Shapiro was not an incumbent, but he won by the largest percentage of any non-incumbent governor in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania since the 1940s.
Why?
Because Mastriano, nice guy, met him, interviewed him, uh, did not make exceptions for rape incest or the mother's life.
And I I think the general consensus, again, politically in the country, is first trimester, or in the case of Mississippi, 15 weeks.
I think that's where the consensus is.
You know, Bill Clinton famously saying, you know, it should be rare but legal.
And I think you can add another word, and that would be early.
And that's why I think Republicans better get their act together.
Otherwise, you get, you know, somebody like John Fetterman, this is him speaking earlier today as your senator.
Is is it staggering?
Is it a staggering response responsibility that uh the that the head of a bank could literally could literally crash our economy?
It's astonishing.
That's like if you have I mean, like uh, and and they also realize is that that now they have it's in guaranteed a guaranteed way to be saved by no again by no matter if I have my how, you know.
So it it's it's you know, Isn't it appropriate that the those kinds of the this kind of control should be more stricter to prevent this kind of thing from going?
Or should we just go on and start bailing and sailing whoever bank, regardless of how how uh uh their their conduct is.
Now look, I want to be clear, I'm not making fun of John Fetterman.
I'd it's it's sad, it's tragic what happened to him.
But he's not qualified to be senator, that's for sure.
And Dr. Oz, people say, well, Dr. Oz is a vet.
No, Dr. Oz was able to get 10% double-digit ticket switching in Pennsylvania.
People that voted for the Democrat for governor would switch to the Republican for the Senate.
But it still wasn't enough to overcome the massive deficit at the top of the ticket, which was the governor who had this rigid position on abortion.
Anyway, um you decide.
Republicans better get their act together.
Uh, Julie is in Arizona.
Julie, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean.
I just wanted to ask some questions about the Durham report.
We got Comey all over it, right?
Yeah, well, I mean, Comey's uh was up to his eyeballs on all of it.
Of course, he signed three of the four Pfizer warrants.
Exactly.
So forget McCabe, forget struck.
They're just a couple buffoons.
No, I disagree.
I think they were way more involved than you're giving them credit for.
The the report itself is not decide who who gets charged and who doesn't.
It's just a report.
And if the DOJ doesn't pick this up, even with merit in charge, they should be embarrassed.
I mean, they they look like the FBI's lapdog.
So they should be they should be embarrassed.
And I'm hoping that there's somebody gets off their dust and charges these people for an unlawful, unlawful investigation.
Look, there's so much that has gone on here that is wrong.
There's so much that, you know, at the end of the day, they all get away with it.
That's the bottom line.
And then, you know, then we have 2020 presidential election, frankly, interference.
You know, the this whole idea of pre-bunking the the Hunter Biden laptop using the FBI was beyond inappropriate.
And I think the only answer, the only antidote to this is we've got to start over.
You know, the FBI to me, I I've said this many times, you know, my all four of my grandparents came from Ireland, including my my mother's father, uh, whose brother also came, and two of his sons became FBI agents.
And one of them passed away, one of them is still alive.
And, you know, in my family, they were looked up to as the height of success.
They were deity, I say in my family.
When they came around, it was like, wow.
Uh, you know, it was like everybody was impressed.
Um, because they had made it to this, you know, the prestige most prestigious law enforcement agency in the entire world.
And it's it's now a shadow of itself, and it's deteriorated because of horrific leadership by James Comey, who had a political agenda.
To me, it's very clear, and uh had was not been held accountable for any of this, nor his deputies.
And you know, Christopher Race swears he cleaned it up.
He didn't clean anything up.
Um and unfortunately, at that point, the only power Republicans have is the power of the purse, and that's to defund them and to start a new organization with a very set and very clear vision.
I'm not against having an FBI.
I am against having a politicized FBI.
I am against having a weaponized FBI.
I'm not against the Department of Justice or an AG, but they've got to have equal justice and equal application of our laws.
That's not the America we're living in right now.
That's the problem.
No.
And then and then the FBI can now, you know, all my Democratic friends out there, hey, guess what?
The FBI can open an investigation on you without any evidence and even evidence to the contrary of any allegation you may receive, and still ruin your life.
in a poor house with legal fees and harassment.
If the DOJ doesn't get on these guys, and I know, I agree, they need to be dismantled, but it's got to start somewhere.
And I'm an eternal optimist, and I I don't like Merrick Garland.
I think he's a weasel.
But you know what?
At some point, you can knock around this guy.
And he's gotta wake up.
Right?
No, no, I'm telling you right now, he's not gonna change.
Neither are the neither are the institutionalists going to change.
The only way you're gonna have changes to win an election.
That's it.
I mean, one party wins, one party loses.
Now, because Republicans have control of the House, there are consequences.
You know, Joe Biden uh literally now is looking at a 15-day deadline on the debt ceiling.
Republicans did their job, and he thought he would he thought the Republicans would never unite behind a single bill.
They did to raise the debt ceiling.
They have fiscal responsibility measures involved in it, including going back to 2022 spending levels, reducing baseline budgeting to a mere one percent a year to control spending.
Uh, and they got scored out by the CBO at saving 4.8 trillion over ten years.
They're doing their job.
Now Joe Biden at the last minute wants to, you know, get together, finally meet after he ignored Kevin McCarthy for 97 days, and somehow he thinks Kevin McCarthy's in a position to make a deal with a small caucus.
I don't think that's gonna happen.
I hear what you're saying, uh, Julie.
Appreciate the call.
It is it is frightening.
There's no doubt about it.
All right, quick break.
We'll come back.
More of your calls, 800-941 Sean, our number as we roll along on this Tuesday.
Sleepy Joe just signed more executive actions in one week than most presidents did in their entire term.
So much for a democracy.
Looks like Joe is the new dictator.
And it is on right now.
All right, let's get back to our busy phones.
800-941 Sean.
Chris in Alabama.
Chris, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hi Eddie, sir.
How are you doing today?
I'm good, man.
What's going on?
Well, my thing is I know there's not going to be any type of uh disciplinary action against anybody involved in this, but is there any way Trump can maybe do a decimation lawsuit or something?
Something to send some type of word to the Democrat Party and Hillary Clinton and the rest of them that we're not gonna stand by and just let this happen.
There's gonna be some type of consequences.
If I was Carter Page or any of the other people impacted by this witch hunt uh or this, you know, this slander smear was big lie from the beginning.
I think I'd be talking to my attorneys about potential legal action.
Absolutely.
I would I'd and I would be going after individuals by name.
Those that were responsible for specific actions by name.
Because I I do not bel if they had no evidence to do this, this is what the report is saying.
And probably the chief witness ought to be Durham himself.
And what he found.
And then the individuals involved in all of this.
You know, the sad thing is they got away with it.
Just like it seems like they're going to get away with pre-bunking the Hunter Biden laptop story the FBI did in the lead up to the 2020 election.
Or the 51, the the dirty 51, as Miranda Devine calls the 51 former Intel officials that gave that gave Joe Biden a talking point on the Hunter Biden laptop saying, Oh, it has the earmarks of uh a Russian disinformation campaign when none of them knew a single thing about that laptop.
There's a lot of corruption here.
And it is all designed to impact the result of an election.
That ought to scare everybody.
Democrats and Republicans.
Because you know what?
The pendulum does swing.
And if it's gonna happen with one side, I would assume it could happen with the other.
Anyway, appreciate the call.
I wish I had better news on this, but I'm telling Republicans what they need to do here.
Now Durham is gonna testify before Jordan's uh Judiciary Committee, and then Jordan was very clear with me last night.
Follow the money.
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