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April 19, 2023 - Sean Hannity Show
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Crime Wave Continues - April 18th, Hour 3
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You know, it was amazing.
Jim Jordan, he brings his House Judiciary Committee to New York.
And we've been talking a little bit more about the reaction or fallout from the reaction.
And my interview last night with Madame, I'm sorry, Madeline Braem, who lost her son, who served our country in the armed forces.
Her husband now has life-long injuries that he has to deal with that are very severe.
Her son was an Army vet stabbed to death on the streets in New York.
The father seriously wounded during the attack, dealing with these life-altering injuries.
And she says that, yeah, Alvin Bragg said, well, we don't have to have enough money.
We have to spend it on Donald Trump, which I played for you earlier in the program today.
I'm like, you can't even make this up.
It's so ridiculous.
It's so insane.
And it's frustrating to me.
And this is now happening all over the country.
You know, Chicago over the weekend, you had hundreds of teens storming the streets in downtown Chicago, breaking windows, blocking traffic.
You had 35 people shot, eight murdered.
You had people jumping up and down on cars, attacking drivers.
There's a brawl at the White Sox game.
And as I pointed out last night, I've been scrolling names of people shot, shot, and killed in Chicago since 2009.
Names you've never heard of before.
Why have you never heard of them before?
Because Democrats can't politicize it.
And yet they continue to push, defund, dismantle police departments.
No bail laws like this DA in New York, Adam Bragg.
This is madness.
This is insanity.
There was also a scene in California, mob ransacking a gas station near Compton, organized theft, shoplifting, looting, costing businesses $100 billion a year.
So, you know, you have big box stores saying, bye-bye.
Walmart, bye-bye.
Target, bye-bye.
CBS, see you later.
Goodbye.
And then you wonder, well, why do we have this mass migration out of states like California and states like New York and New Jersey and Illinois?
Because they're getting the hell away from high taxes, crime and lawlessness.
They're getting away from draconian shutdowns, unbelievable bureaucracy put on people.
It's just, it's unreal.
You can't even make it up.
And then you have Democrats defunding, you know, and even to this day, supporting the defunding of the police.
You know, a teenager has attacked a woman in Chicago during this takeover over the weekend.
listen to this unbelievable but that is the state of affairs today all across the country
And they cling to these policies in spite of all the failure of these policies.
You know, you just can't make it up.
Jim Jordan is right about crime.
You know, Bragg's not the only reason crime has soared, but he's a big part of it.
Major felonies are up 32% over 2019, the year before the pandemic.
I mean, that is a mad, that's almost a doubling of crimes here.
He knocks down 52% of felony cases to misdemeanors.
The only one he raised it for was Donald Trump because that was his campaign promise.
You know, you look at the people that testified, besides, you know, a woman that my heart goes out to her, Madeline Brema, was on our show last night.
You know, you have Jennifer Harrison, founder of Victims' Rights New York.
She suffered through her boyfriend and her friend being murdered in New Jersey in 2005.
Three brothers arrested, charged.
Only one of them ended up serving anytime.
Jose Alba was there.
He's the bodego worker that, you know, stabbed in self-defense.
And he talked about how the DA rushed to judgment.
And it goes on from there, and it gets worse from there.
I mean, these people have stories to tell, and they're telling them.
You had one guy by the name of Robert Holden, and we have repeat offenders, lenient sentences, committing multiple crimes shortly after being released because I'm bragg.
You have Rebecca Fisher, traffickers go elsewhere to source guns quickly and illegally because gun purchasers are required to go through a background check and the licensing process in New York and the trafficking.
Anybody in New York can get a gun.
You don't need a license.
I do it the right way.
Most people don't.
You know, you go over the father of Joseph Morgan.
He was attacked and brutally beaten.
He was the one, and we talked about that anti-Semitic beating in Times Square.
You know, not a word out of New York politicians over it.
I mean, at some point, when do you say enough is enough?
At some point, when do we realize that law and order and safety and security are a prerequisite for the pursuit of happiness?
Trey Penny, Sergeant Trey Penny, back with us, president of the National Fallen Officer Foundation, 22-year, now retired Dallas police sergeant.
Stephen Loomis is with us, former president of the Cleveland's Police Patrolman Association, 30-year resident of the city of Cleveland, and a six-year veteran of the U.S. Navy during Operation Desert Storm.
Welcome both of you back to the program.
Trey, welcome back, sir.
How are you?
Thank you for having me, Sean.
You know, I'm looking at all this, and these idiots, they're not learning.
They don't care.
Yeah, you're right, Sean.
And the reason they don't care is because they're still trying to appeal to a certain demographic.
They want the black and minority communities to think that it's okay, that they can commit crime and they won't be punished in these communities.
That's why New York is having the problem that is happening.
That's why Chicago is having the problem that is having because they want to let our urban minorities believe that it's okay to commit crime and there won't be any consequences.
That's half the problem, Sean.
We have to start holding these people, these individuals accountable, whether they're teens, whether they're juveniles.
I don't care.
If you're committing violent crime, you have to be taken off our streets.
That's the only way we're going to control their behavior, Sean.
Let's get your take, Stephen Loomis, your thoughts on this.
Yes, sir.
Thanks for having me.
Trey is absolutely right.
There is zero consequence in the juvenile court system here in Cuyahoga County, here in many, many of these big democratically run cities.
The fund of police, it's a sexy thing that they're doing right now.
But the problem is, is that when you do that, you have no ability to have positive interaction in the community.
We all like community-engaged policing.
But when you're 400, in our case, over 400 police officers below the budgeted staffing level, that's impossible to do.
We're missing our kids.
We're not, Sean, we used to do that.
I hated it when I was a rookie because it wasn't what you wanted to do.
You want to go out and be the police, right?
But we would go to these schools all summer long and all spring long, and we would land the helicopter.
We would have the fire truck.
We would have the motorcycle cops, the horses, the canine guys.
And the kids would come out and their eyes were huge.
And man, if you got that, they would wait in line for hours, just walk up next to that helicopter.
And if you were the kid that got put in the top pit of that thing, oh my gosh, you know, positive interaction.
We have no ability to do that.
And the court systems right now combine that, our lack of ability to proactively police and be involved in the community.
We're going run to run to run to run to run.
We don't have time to sit and talk to people and get to know them like we want to.
But you combine that with a lack of consequence, especially the juvenile court system.
And what happens?
We have 38 juveniles in the detention home arrested for murder last year.
38 in the city of Cleveland.
We only have 340,000 people here.
You know, there's something wrong here.
And the longer you can't fix the problem until the politicians that are in charge recognize that there's a problem and they're just not doing it.
It's like everything else, like giving up energy independence, opening up our borders, defunding the police.
This is not anything I'm ever going to understand because it defies all common sense.
And, you know, I never even bothered to ask.
I mean, this woman was so lovely and nice.
And I walked over to her and I said, thank you for coming.
I know this is probably difficult for you before the show.
And she came out on the show and she struggled in the beginning.
And I just, I wanted to give her time.
I didn't want to step on her on what she was going to say.
And she took her time to tell everybody the pain of her story and losing her child, Trey Penny.
This is not your first rodeo.
You're the head of the Fallen Officer Association nationally.
You deal with this probably on a daily basis.
Absolutely.
Look, from a law enforcement.
By the way, I couldn't do it.
I could not do it.
Yeah, look, law enforcement, they're always under the gun.
No matter what's going on, no matter what's happening in society, people are always attacking law enforcement.
That's the first thing that they see.
And law enforcement are always on the front lines to respond.
And they're the ones being injured.
They're the ones being killed.
My problem is we're not doing enough to protect law enforcement.
That's why I testified before the city judiciary last year.
I asked them to investigate the George Floyd rise over 2020.
Multiple police officers across the country got injured in that, Sean.
We had 19 people killed, $2 billion in property and property damages across the country.
No wonder you got companies like Walmart pulling out of Chicago because you can't protect them, Sean.
We have to do more to hold individuals accountable, give law enforcement the resources that they can use to protect these communities.
They can't protect anybody if the DAs, the local DAs are going to continue to let this criminals get out and victimize these communities.
They're not going to be able to do anything to keep people safe in their communities, Sean.
So we have to do more.
I think it's important for us being consistent in these communities to say that enough is enough.
We cannot allow the criminals to run us into a hole somewhere and we just hide in the corner and say nothing.
All right, quick break more with Sergeant Trey Penny and Stephen Loomis on the other side.
And then your calls, 800-941-Sean, as we continue.
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We continue with Sergeant Trey Penny, by the way, president of the National Fallen Officer Foundation, by the way, now running for office, and we'll talk more about his campaign in the months to come.
Also, Steve Loomis is with us, former president of the Cleveland Police Patrolman Association and 30-year resident of the city of Cleveland.
I just played in the earlier in the program today.
I played Hank Johnson and his stupid comments.
You're saying that people that testified that lost loved ones in the case of Madeline Bram, who lost her son, whose husband is forever injured for the rest of his life, she's a pawn in this.
Is that what he's saying?
He's actually saying that.
Those guys are clowns.
They've been spewing that nonsense.
Not pawn, a prop.
He says, oh, they're prop.
A prop.
They're not props telling their story.
They're not props saying they don't want this to happen to anyone else.
They're not props saying that this is something that does not need to happen.
When you're a victim of violent crime, Sean, you're not a prop at all.
You are a victim.
Your family has been victimized, has been impacted forever.
Those guys are clowns.
They're pressing an agenda for the Democrat Party.
They want to keep these communities unsafe so those same individuals can go and vote for going to vote in these elections to keep electing these same people over and over again because they don't think they have another recourse.
I want to give people more options.
I want to continue to encourage our police to go into these communities to help make these communities safe.
Like Steve talked about earlier, we want to make young people come back to the police, appreciate law enforcement being these communities.
We didn't have those type of role models in the type of community I came up here, Sean.
I'm glad that people like Steve Loomis are there in the community right now encouraging young people or trying to get those young people to come back.
We just got to deal with clowns like you did, like you just played on the radio, keeping them away from the police.
Let me give the last 30 seconds, Stephen Loomis.
Yes, sir.
First of all, I want to thank you for being a voice of sanity in this thing.
I can tell you 30 years experience.
I'm currently a homicide detective.
I'm not speaking for the Cleveland Police Department.
I'm speaking as a father that lives in this city for 30 years, raising four kids and seven grandkids.
And I can tell you that I have never seen it this bad.
And I can also tell you, Sean, that thousands of radio assignments that I've been to in my career, not one time did I ever call up the dispatcher and say, hey, what color is the family that's calling and needs my help?
Not one time.
And better than that, not one time did I ever show up someplace in the city, and I don't care what corner of the city it is, and have somebody come out and size me up and go, no, send me a black cop.
It does not happen.
The only people that are pressing this defund nonsense, the only people that are pressing this division are people that need that division to justify their miserable existences and put bread on their table.
They are completely ignoring the needs of the law-abiding citizens out here and the needs of the police officers that are out here in record low numbers trying to do exactly what they can to help keep everybody as safe as possible.
People don't want to deal with all most people are defenseless.
Absolutely.
You know what?
You're not defenseless.
Trey's not defenseless.
I'm not defenseless.
Most people are.
I mean, they're not armed.
They don't know how to fight.
They don't know how to defend themselves.
And I'm not being critical.
You know, for me, it was a passion.
For other people, the last thing they want to do is take on any pain in their life and do the training that's necessary to get proficient at self-defense.
It takes years and it takes hard work.
We could talk all day.
Thank you both.
Steve Loomis.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
Trey, Penney, thank you both.
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All right, let's get to our phones.
A lot of calls from Florida up here, the free state of Florida.
You a little background and a little history that I think will bolster some of your arguments.
First of all, I concur.
I think Governor DeSantis has done a great job for Florida.
There's no doubt about it.
And I wish that he and the president, President Trump got along because he did a great job as president.
And, you know, we got to keep focused on who the people are that are ruining the country.
And they mostly agree.
But let me deal with this specifically.
In the case of, I'll pick Pennsylvania.
You had a guy who was a very nice guy.
I met him.
Nice guy.
Doug Mastriano ran for governor.
His opponent was a guy by the name of Shapiro.
Shapiro won that race as a non-incumbent governor by more, by a greater percentage than has happened since the early 1940s.
And I'll tell you why.
Because Doug Mastriano had no exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother's life.
That is political suicide.
Listen, I know all of you know that I believe in the sanctity of life.
I'm not talking about morality here.
On the issue of abortion politically, it's a whole separate arena.
It is not, Republicans will lose every time with that position.
Case in point, number two, Tudor Dixon, who I thought would be a phenomenal governor in Michigan.
She was on tape.
No exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother's life.
She lost to Gretchen Whitmer, who I believe was beatable.
You know, now in the case of Dr. Oz, who, you know, he's pro-life, but however, he had exceptions and understood that it was a state issue.
He was still able to get double-digit ticket splitting.
In other words, those that vote for the Democrat as governor, he got over 10 percentage points of people flipping to him as a Republican senator because they didn't want Fetterman.
Okay, but he still did.
You can't do better than double-digit ticket splitting, if you know what I mean.
It's almost a record and it's a shame because it hurt the entire ticket in Pennsylvania.
Now, if you're asking me what my own personal opinion is, you know, I would like, in my view, I think you should offer people options, adoption options, so on and so forth.
But that's not going to happen.
Abortion, whether you like it or not, is half the country wants it, and it's going to be the law in states.
Now, if I had to pick a number, a time, period, where people have to decide, because the Democrats have their own issues with abortion, because most of them say, oh, there's no room in the patient's room for the doctor, the mother that's giving birth or having an abortion and the government, but yet they make us pay for abortions.
Okay, put that aside.
So the answer, I think, probably Mississippi, the 15-week case that ended up overturning Roe v.
Wade, maybe the first trimester, 12 weeks, should be enough time for people to make up their mind.
You know, I think science will prove over time the viability of a child is going to get lower and lower.
In other words, I would not be surprised in my lifetime if a pregnant woman that's only pregnant 10, 11, 12 weeks, that that child somehow with medical advancement could survive alone outside of the womb.
That might have a profound long-term impact.
But I would tend to agree with you that abortion and Republicans, they better get their act together.
And it just happened again in Wisconsin with the choice of a Supreme Court justice that never would have won but for the issue of abortion.
So I think you're right.
Republicans better get their act together.
They better get their act together and get over their resistance to voting early, their resistance to voting by mail.
They better get over also, you know, they better get in the game of ballot harvesting, legal ballot harvesting that the Democrats are, you know, they've been doing this now for election after election, and we're not even in that game.
They better fix that problem.
So I concede your point.
If it was me, I would have, if they wanted to lower it, I would have gone to the first trimester, which is 12 weeks, maybe go along with Mississippi, because I think that's where the nation, as of this moment, is politically.
Most people believe what Bill Clinton said.
I can't believe I'm quoting Clinton.
There you go, Hannity.
You're quoting me again, but then you're picking on my little pumpkin Hillary.
But he said abortion should be rare and legal.
And I would add one more word: rare, legal, and early.
And I think that's where the country is now, considering 52% of abortions are done by a pill.
And my understanding is that pill only works in the first 10 weeks of pregnancy.
So people need to find out earlier.
Does that make sense?
Spot on, Sean.
I'm telling you, you're right there on all those topics.
But I'm only speaking politically here.
It's not a viable position to win on.
And that's not good for the country.
Is it what I personally believe as a Christian?
No, it's not.
Well, I hope that answers your question.
With that said, let me say this in Ron DeSantis' defense.
Ron DeSantis, let's say if he does run for president, let's say Donald Trump, I really think they are trying to bog him down with all of these legal issues so that he can't run.
I think they want him in an orange jumpsuit.
If that's the case, there's going to be another candidate.
I don't know what's going to happen, but I have a very bad feeling about all these investigations.
That's my gut instinct.
I have no real knowledge.
If that's the case, the answer that Ron DeSantis would be, well, it's up to the states to decide.
It's not up to the federal government.
This is what we decided in Florida.
But if you want to make a different choice in California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, any of these liberal states, Oregon, Washington state, that's up to your state legislators.
If whoever's a Republican candidate can say, if I'm elected president, I will have no say in that.
And they would be speaking the truth.
That's what they should run on.
All right.
So that's free political consulting.
No charge.
I'm just teasing.
Anyway, I appreciate you calling in.
Thank you, buddy.
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Phil is in Florida, also, the free state of Florida.
What's up, Phil?
How are you?
Sean, it's good to talk to you.
I have one fast question for you.
It's about time that the Republicans go on the offense instead of being in defense all the time.
What's to stop our Attorney General down here in Florida, which is a great one, from indicting Bragg for election interference down here?
I didn't quite hear the last part of that.
Ask that again.
What's to stop our Attorney General in Florida to indicting Bragg for election interference?
It's an interesting question.
What Mark Levin said last night was brilliant, I thought.
And he actually said and echoed what on the night of the arrest or the night after the arrest of Donald Trump, I had Ari Fleischer on.
And Ari Fleischer said, unless and until Republicans start playing the game the Democrats are playing.
In other words, there are state laws where Bidens can be indicted.
We just went over early in the program with James Comer all the details.
I called it the Biden Family Syndicate long before anybody else.
But, you know, all these nine members of the Biden family profiting off of this allegation of influence peddling.
We need definitive answers.
How much money in business did the Biden family do with China, Russia, Ukraine, and these 13 other countries?
We need answers to that.
And until we get answers, and how much of that money was profit?
And who got the profit?
Did they pay taxes on the profit?
Because you know, and I know if the last name was Trump, it would have been treated a lot differently.
Pretty unbelievable.
Anyway, I hope that answers your question.
All right, one more Florida call.
Why not?
Free state of Florida today, Joe in Florida.
How are you?
Great, Mr. Hannity.
And, you know, you were talking about crime before, right?
And I'm convinced that this may sound a little out there, but there's people high up in the Democratic Party that want this crime.
They want all this mayhem because what they ultimately want to do is they're defunding the police, demoralizing the police, so they can eventually say, this isn't working.
We need a federal police force.
And when you hear about like Soros meeting with Biden 14 times, you know, it's just my feeling because Rudy Giuliani showed us how to solve crime issues.
You're raising good points.
Let me play for you: the Democrats defund the police montage.
Yes, I support the defund movement because this is about the investment in our communities, which have historically been divested.
One that I'm actively engaged in in advocacy for is the reduction of really truly talking about the reduction of our NYPD budget and defunding a $6 billion NYPD budget.
This model of saying not only do we need to defund, but we need to dismantle and start anew allows us to really reimagine what public safety should look like in our community.
You know, in many cities in America, over one-third of their city budget goes to police.
So we have to have this conversation.
What are we doing?
The last thing you need is an up armor and Humvee coming into a neighborhood.
It's like the military invading.
They don't know anybody.
They become the enemy.
They're supposed to be protecting these people.
So my generic point is that we agree that we can redirect some of the funding.
Yes, absolutely.
You know, it's clear they don't have a clue on any of this.
Peter Ducey asking if Biden feels big cities are safe and Corinne Jean-Pierre, that's a yes or no question.
Yeah, okay.
Honestly, it is.
Does President Biden think America's big cities are safe?
Can you say more?
Well, we know that thefts and robberies are up about 20% in the first half of this year, so I'm wondering if he thinks America's big cities are safe.
Are you talking about the New York Times story specifically?
Is that what you're referring to?
The murder rate is still 30% above its 2019 level.
They're all from the Council on Criminal Justice.
So should everyday Americans who are not in the public eye feel safe?
So I'll say this.
That same story also stated that the crime is complicated and multifaceted.
Just the original question, does President Biden think America's big cities are safe?
It is not a yes or no question.
It is very much a question of what has he done?
That's how we see the question, is what has he done to make sure that cities, and it doesn't matter if it's a big city or a small city, it doesn't matter if it's in a red state or a blue state.
What matters is that we have the funding and we have done the work, put the policy forward to make sure that these cities, whether it's big or small, have what they need to protect their community.
And that's what this president has done.
Again, without the help of Republicans.
All right, I'll give you the last word on this.
What's your final word?
We have about 20 seconds.
I just think it's out of control.
And, you know, we got a corrupt president who wants to whisper, pay your fair share in taxes, who might be the biggest tax cheat in America.
Well, I'd like to get to the bottom of it.
The fact that we're not getting to the bottom of it is very disturbing to me.
Very disturbing.
I got to run.
Appreciate the call.
Thank you, sir, for being with us.
All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
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