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Howell and Brosnan on FBI - April 13th, Hour 2
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You know, one of the things I've gone back to again and again and again is the issue of whether we have equal justice under the law, whether or not we have equal application of our laws.
And and one of the main things you can look at is the rioting uh in the summer of 2020, the 574 official riots.
Uh we had a couple dozen dead Americans, billions in property damage, bricks, rocks, bottles, Molotov cocktails.
You've heard me say this many times, throwing a cops, uh, thousands of injured police officers.
We have all the video tape to convict people, but we never do.
We we there's no congressional committee like the January 6th committee.
See, if Democrats can't politicize uh an issue, why bother dealing with it?
Every single videotape of every single perpetrator in the summer of 2020 should have been arrested, and they should have been punished.
And time and time again, these incidents occur and it doesn't happen.
But when it comes to January 6th, now we condemn all riots, and you can't have what happened on January 6th either.
But uh that's not how things are.
And this is this gets to the heart of why the Judiciary Committee is looking into whether or not your FBI has in fact been weaponized and your DOJ be has been weaponized, whether the FBI has been politicized, and the reality is the answer is absolutely yes.
And that's the sad part of it all.
You know, and it raises, you know, a lot of questions about every single issue that we're we're dealing with.
You know, by the way, new information coming out about about one of the one of the lawmakers that was expelled uh down in Tennessee.
Uh Justin Jones is his name, and apparently took part in a May 2020 Black Lives Matter protest in Nashville, where he reportedly walked on top of a police car and subsequently was charged before a crime, but he was let off.
Would that happen to a January 6th protester?
Uh I tend to doubt it.
As nothing to do with race at all.
Has to do with law breaking.
Those that obey the laws follow the laws of our country.
You know, following the incident, charges were brought against him.
You know, this videotape showing Jones along with another fellow activist walking on top of a police car, as dozens of rowdy, seemingly uncontrollable protesters surround them.
Less than three hours after the warrants were issued by the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department, they announced after review of additional information, etc.
etc.
That uh the arrest warrants issued last night against this particular lawmaker now, uh, will be recalled for the present.
But did it happen or did it not happen?
You know, if you if you picture standing on a police car, is that not assault of a police car?
You know, is that not, you know, I mean it's not the biggest offense in the world, he's not punching like the police, like this happened in other cities, but where is the oversight?
Where's the you know why is this happening?
Now, over at Oversight Project, uh, which by the way, we have Mike Howell's gonna join us in a minute.
Uh, he's the director at the Heritage Foundation, Oversight Project uh uh director, and also Kyle Bronson, the chief counsel for the Heritage Oversight Project, and what they have now are new documents that show how the FBI equates protected online speech to violence.
Now there are people online that say and indicate that they're gonna be violent.
Should we pay attention to them?
Yes.
But that doesn't mean that a a parent uh that is saying they don't want CRT taught to young kids uh or or gender identity issues taught to young kids is somehow, you know, being equated in any way, shape, manner or form uh, you know, uh with the FBI using terms like based or red pilled or signs of racially or ethnically motivated violent extremism.
Now, what what else have we learned that you know Catholic churches that use the traditional mass that were recruiting in spite of uh a denial before Congress and Josh Hawley, Merrick Garland denied they were doing it.
Now we have the evidence that in fact that they were, uh just like the FBI was weaponized against you know, moms and dads at at school board meetings, looking into them whether they're domestic terrorists.
What what the hell is going on here?
It may be time the world's premier law enforcement agency has so has become so toxic, we may have to replace them.
We may have to start over.
If it's that politicized and the DOJ that weaponized, we may need to literally reboot the FBI to to return it to the days that they were the premier law enforcement agency in the world.
Anyway, Mike Howell and Kyle Bronson join us now, Heritage Foundation Oversight uh project.
Thank you both for being with us.
Mike, I'll start with you.
Is there anything I'm saying here that is wrong?
Do you believe that the FBI is politicized?
Do you believe the DOJ is weaponized?
Do you think there's a bias against conservatives?
Is there a dual justice system in America?
Well, uh absolutely I think it's beyond dispute now.
I mean, it was just evidence after evidence, staring us in the face.
I mean, the most prominent one is what you mentioned.
2020 riots.
Black lives rioters burned down significant portions of this country.
They forced President Trump into a bunker at the White House.
Nothing was done, no consequences whatsoever.
And I have DOJ still going full poor and with the FBI against you know, people who only trespassed on January 6th, nonviolent offenders.
It's completely two systems of justice, and the documents you know we got show that they're not stopping there.
They're going and looking at internet playing for people who lean right and trying to turn them into domestic terrorists.
This bulletin we have is a domestic terrorism bulletin.
They're calling United States citizens that they don't like domestic terrorists.
That's not what the FBI should be doing.
Let's get your take, Kyle Bronson.
What do you say is the chief counsel for the Heritage Foundation's oversight project?
No, I agree with what Mike had to say here.
I mean, some of these terms online are are are completely generic.
Things like based, things like red pill, you know, from made popular by the movie The Matrix.
Um, you know, you've got you've got common terms here that that are being put out um you know on the counterterrorism bulletins um that that could potentially serve as the basis for launching off into criminal investigations.
It's it's it's scary, quite frankly.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's very scary.
Now, when you look at, for example, I would argue that the last four elections, in some way, shape, matter, or form that the FBI had cinder blocks on the scales of the election, one with the dirty dossier, two with the Pfizer warrant, lying to a Pfizer court, because it says on the top of a Pfizer application verified.
None of it was verifiable, all of it has now been debunked.
Uh then 2018, you have the middle right in the middle of the Mueller investigation.
Now we know in 2020, even though the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop since December of 2019, they had a team of FBI agents meeting weekly with big tech companies warning them specifically that they may be victims of a misinformation campaign.
And in the case of Missouri, the director of site integrity at Twitter at the time, Yoel Roth, testified that, yeah, that's they said it might even be about Joe or Hunter Biden.
Well, that sounds like they knew that it was likely Rudy Giuliani was gonna leak it, and they were prepping these big tech companies to for for a censor operation.
Do you agree?
No, absolutely.
But let's not forget about 2022.
They interfered in that as well.
I mean, the documents at the Penn Biden Center were known to the government before the election.
We didn't find out about those until early this year.
That would have massively affected the 2022 election.
I mean, they did also raid Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago in what about 90 days before the election.
Absolutely.
And criminally leaked all this stuff to the Washington Post, New York Times every day.
And then also, the big thing everyone misses is they moved Zuck Bucks inside the Biden administration with Biden bucks.
They're using government agencies with your taxpayer dollars to target voters, register them, get out the vote efforts in deep blues uh areas, and they're just supercharging Zuckbucks.
I mean, our election system is far from free and fair right now, and it's only getting worse, and no one seems to be focusing on on the major problem right now.
And why would the FBI we we know they gave three and a half million dollars to Twitter?
Kyle, why would they be giving three and a half million dollars to Twitter?
So they can help suppress free speech.
I mean, I want to also add too here that we've got evidence that the FBI was trying to discredit congressional investigations into their conduct, specifically targeting uh Senators Chuck Rasley of Iowa and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, uh giving them a briefing that they didn't ask for late to Hunter Biden work and then leaking it um to the Washington Post for weaponizing in their Senate races.
I mean, it's it's this stuff is out of control here.
I got to take a quick break.
We'll come back.
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All right, we continue with Mike Howell and Kyle Rosnan, uh, with the uh Heritage Foundation Oversight Project.
Let me ask you both about this project and what you've discovered, because you have obtained documents that show how the FBI equates protected online speech to violence, and according to the FBI, if you use the term based, I don't even know what that means myself, or red pilled, there's signs of racially and ethnically motivated violent extremism.
What does that mean?
Uh I guess I'll start with you, if you don't mind uh Mike.
Well, it means that the FBI is turning to vast power of the federal government at political constituencies they don't like.
I mean, based means that you're based in the sense of like the Republican Party's base.
Uh red pilled means, you know, it's a reference to the matrix that you know you see the world differently than everyone else.
These are internet slang terms.
But the point I'd like to make here is can you ever imagine in a million years the FBI putting out a document like this about transgender terrorism, which we're seeing a massive uptick in?
They would never do that.
They're way too afraid of the left.
Why are they afraid to release that manifesto?
Any idea?
Well, I'm sure it'll confirm what a lot of people think is that there's a violent a lot of violence associated with this, you know, gender extremes uh extremism in the Well, we know about four specific cases in the last couple of years, right?
That's all we know.
I'm sure there's there's quite more than that in terms of you're we're talking about mass shooters here, but if you talk about, you know, incidents of violence, you see that every single day, whether it's had these crazy riots that they have in the streets, where they're assaulting reporters or people that they don't like.
I mean, we're facing a major uptick in gender extremism associated violence, and the FBI would never put out a terror bulletin on it, not in a million years.
Did you see what happened to Riley Gaines, the swimmer, uh, when she was given a speech in San Francisco?
I had her on uh Hannity last night, and trans activists, you know, shut her down.
She had to be, you know, whisked off the stage and and brought into protective custody, and they protected her for three long hours uh because they felt her life was in danger.
It's absolutely ludicrous.
And where are the consequences?
Where are the consequences?
She was on the other foot, you'd have FBI raids.
I mean, what are the FBI raids for the insurrection at the Tennessee Capitol?
They aren't happening.
It's just a two-tiered system of justice.
What's your take on what they are describing as based or red pilled?
Uh is is red refer to a Republican or just uh or is there a blue pill reference on the internet in terms of internet slang?
You guys can need to know something.
I have a Facebook account I've never been to, an Instagram account I've never been to, and a Twitter account that my staff doesn't give me the the password to.
So I'm not on social media anymore.
I had too many fights with Alec Baldwin and Jimmy Kimmel.
It's taking up too much of my time.
And Sean, you mentioned the transgender uh shooters manifesto from from Nashville.
This this document um talking about involuntary sulliban violent extremism uh refers to you know four mass shootings since in the US and Canada since twenty fourteen and refers to those shooters' manifestos as a basis to uh review uh folks online uh speech and potentially connecting them as uh Well I want to be fair here.
I don't what consenting adults or whether an adult decides to do in their own private life is frankly none of my business.
And if this is something like for example, I know Caitlin Jenner.
I'm friends with Caitlin Jenner.
I was friends with Caitlin when Caitlin was Bruce Jenner.
We've talked openly and publicly at times uh about her decision.
And you know what?
It's her life, and I respect her decision, but we shouldn't be indoctrinating kids or teaching kids without parental consent about topics that the that contradict the values of parents.
It's that simple for me.
Couldn't agree with you more, Sean.
I mean, it's it's out of control.
Our school system has turned into basically transgender recruitment centers.
They're creating chance transgender children.
It's terrifying, you know, as a a father of of young daughters trying to find an elementary school that they can one day go to that where they won't have this nonsense because it's rebelief.
It's just in the system now.
It is drawing all the wrong people to the teaching profession, you know, which used to be such an honorable profession.
Now you see the things happening in clo classrooms, it's nothing short of of recruitment.
It's gotten completely out of control.
And the media and especially the you know political leaders on the left stand the flames.
They make this seem as if it's a life or death situation at all times.
And so there's no surprise that these people turn to violence.
If you want to talk about incitement, like it talks about when when Donald Trump said go peacefully, we're seeing excitement on the left all day long.
You had uh KJP, the White House press secretary, uh gloating the other day that trans kids know how to fight back and are vicious.
Uh that is, you know, outrageous.
The day, you know, a week after a transgender shooter just shot up a Christian school and an attack on Christians.
All right, appreciate your work and both of you sharing it with us.
Uh we have Mike Howell, Heritage Foundation Oversight Project Director, Kyle uh Brassen uh is the chief counsel of the Heritage Oversight Project.
Thank you both for being with us.
We appreciate your time.
Uh we'll get to your calls coming up.
800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, investigative reporter Sarah Carter at the top of the hour.
Um let's get to our busy phones.
Many of you have been very, very uh patient here today, and for that I apologize.
Anyway, Brooke is in South Carolina.
What's up, Brooke?
How are you?
Where in South Carolina are you?
Uh a little bit close to Charleston.
How are you doing, Sean?
Thank you.
I love Charleston.
They have a great steakhouse there.
It's called Halls.
Have you ever been there?
It's amazing.
Yes, we live there.
It's amazing.
You live at Halls, you actually go to dinner there every night?
No, I wish.
I wish.
But we get there as often as we can for sure.
Yeah, look, it's a f also a fun hangout place.
Uh there are normal people there, something I'm not used to in New York.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for having me.
I just wanted to get into you talking about the abortion thing you brought up the other day and how our politicians need to do about our job of being more politically moderate versus actually being morally um conservative.
And I couldn't agree more.
I kind of wanted to chime in um as a healthcare professional myself, and you know, based on the ground as a productive woman, you know, I'm in the productive age, and the things that the left is doing is a whole bunch of propaganda.
And it's about their commercials, just like in Wisconsin, one of my nurse friends, I asked her, I said, what happened?
How did this you know go down?
And she says, Yeah, it's terrible.
And she said, But you know, a third to half of the ads that they ran were constantly about all this abortion propaganda.
And while I say propaganda, I mean they're talking about things that aren't true, but acting like anybody who's conservative or on the right doesn't want them to have the rights based on the they're outright lying.
Let me let me let me be a little more direct than you're being.
You're being gracious, you're from South Carolina.
I get it.
I'm a little more blunt, uh, raised in New York, although I did live in Alabama, Georgia, and other places around the country.
So um you're right.
They're demagoguing it, they're lying about it, they're turning it into a big issue.
Uh let me give you an example how Republicans better nominate people, and they need to understand where people are on this issue.
Because it's it's a politically, it's a divisive issue.
And understand that, you know, I I believe in the sanctity of life.
I'm pro-life.
However, politically speaking, it is a death sentence for candidates, especially in in the swing states.
Okay, so I'll give you a case in point.
Doug Mastriano running for governor in the great state of Pennsylvania.
He lost as well, let's put it this way the new governor Shapiro, as a non-incumbent, won that race by the largest margin of any non incumbent since the early nineteen forties.
He got destroyed, utterly decimated.
Now, that impacted Dr. Oz's race.
Oz, you know, yeah, yeah, Maastriano lost by like sixteen points.
Oz lost by two and a half, three points.
I forget the title or the final total, but it was close.
And Dr. Oz was able to pull off something that very few people can pull off, and that is ticket splitting.
In other words, somebody would vote for a Democrat for governor, but then switch for a republican on the Senate side.
But there's only so much ticket splitting you can ever get.
If you had somebody, in the case of Montreano, no exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother's life.
Guess what?
You're not gonna win any race except in a very small few states with that position.
I I'm now I'm speaking politically.
I'm not speaking morally.
I'm not telling you to compromise your values, but those candidates won't win.
Period.
They will not.
Nope.
And nobody's recognizing that though.
I feel like they're just shoveling it all down underneath the rug and saying, well, as long as they know the economy is gone downhill, as long as inflation's up, as long as you know, no they saw it.
Like they expected the red wave in November, and we didn't get it.
But no one is talking about why we didn't.
We didn't get it for two other reasons.
One is Republicans' reluctance and resistance towards mail in voting and early voting, uh, which by the way is not the case in Florida.
They've embraced it.
R conservatives, Republicans embraced it in Florida.
And the second thing is, is Democrats, they don't run campaigns the way Republicans do.
They're 15 years ahead of Republicans right now.
And the Republican Party better get their act together if they ever want to win another big election.
Because Democrats, they don't kiss babies, they don't take selfies, they don't shake hands, they're not doing press avails, uh, they're not doing town halls, they're hiding.
Like Joe Biden hid most of his campaign, and John Fetterman hid it in most of his campaign, and Katie Hobbs hid in most of her campaign.
And what they're doing is they're spending hundreds of millions of dollars in negative ads against Republicans, and abortion is a big part of the issue.
And the second thing that they're doing is if they they try not to debate or they debate long after early voting is taken place and they've banked a lot of votes, so even if they do poorly in the debate, a Republican, you know, in the case of Oz, he was down nearly a hundred, you know, uh uh, you know, seven hundred thousand or seven hundred and fifty thousand votes before he ever debated Fetterman.
And so, you know what?
They have got to embrace legal ballot harvesting because that's the other piece of the puzzle.
Democrats are exploiting the laws of individual states and legally ballot harvesting.
Republicans must match and or surpass, hopefully surpass what the Democrats are doing.
They need to get on it now.
Now I'm getting a little annoyed because I've been talking to people and they're not moving.
There's no action involved in this.
And if they don't listen to me, then they can expect one answer in 2024, and that is they will lose.
It's hard enough for Republicans to win.
Now we have to fight for Georgia.
Now we have to fight for North Carolina.
Pennsylvania's always been a hard state.
Now we got to fight in Wisconsin and Michigan and Arizona and Nevada.
You know what?
You have to run the table if you're a Republican.
If you don't match these efforts, you have no shot.
You have no shot at all.
So uh and look at what's happening to the country.
The only thing that might mitigate this might Is that if the country continues on its current trajectory, it's gonna be such a mess in terms of foreign policy, uh China, Russia, Iran, the new axis of evil, the economy is still gonna be in a disastrous state.
That might change everybody's opinion and just say th they are done with the Democratic Party.
That is another hope, but you can't count on that.
I cannot tell you with any any degree of certainty what the main issues will be in November of 2024.
So does that answer your question?
It does.
It does.
But just to let you know as well, my friend the nurse, she said a lot of her Republican friends that were women also voted for that lady that ended up winning because of the single abortion issue.
I believe there's listen, to me, abortion's always been a heart issue and not a political issue.
You know, that's why I like the group preborn.
They don't get it any they don't get any federal dollars.
They use the science of ultrasound, people donate because they believe in the cause.
Abortion is a hard issue.
And you have and and it's very hard.
Once people are are locked into their position, they're not gonna change.
I can't sit here and convince somebody that abortion should be the you know, up to the ninth month.
And by the way, that's the best counterargument Republicans have, because Democrats in the last election cycle kept saying, oh, there's no room for the government inside of a a an expecting mother giving birth and her doctor.
Okay, if that's the case, then stop taking our tax dollars to pay for it.
Yes.
You know, if you don't want the government involved at all, and then the Democrats that want, you know, even post birth abortion, like that idiot Northam uh that was the governor of uh Virginia, you know, waiting, you know, people that support abortion up to the hours before birth, that's not abortion.
That's called infanticide or murder.
Use whatever term you feel most comfortable with.
All right, Brooke, thank you.
Good call.
Uh important we get this right.
Uh let's say hi to Charles and also in South Carolina.
We'll stay in South Carolina today.
What part of South Carolina are you in?
Uh near Greenville, a little farther away than Charleston.
Yes, sir.
No, I know exactly where you are.
Nice part of the country.
What's going on?
Um, just really quickly, before COVID, I know that's been a long time now, seems like President Trump had China economically we were leveling the playing field.
And obviously Joe for is not gonna do anything with that.
Couldn't Congress, maybe Jim Jordan or someone else, push a bill where we actually go through and place tariffs or sanctions or something on China and then just watch the votes line up and be able to tell who is if you're not for America and you're voting to not.
Yeah, I think they should hold a series of those votes.
And McCarthy, by the way, is is planning as much.
So far they've done a very good job of keeping their promises.
The minute they don't, I promise you, I'm gonna be railing against Republicans.
I'm holding them accountable for the promises that they made.
You know, they came out with promises to America, I expect them to keep the promises to America that they made.
So far they're doing a good job.
We see investigations into the origins of COVID, into whether the FBI is politicized, the DOJ weaponized, into you know, the Biden family syndicate, and and many other important investigations.
But, you know, yes, it's important to hold them accountable, put them on record on these issues so that America will have a choice election unlike any other.
But again, let me refer back to the last caller.
Unless they fix their attitude and run elections differently and modernize their electoral system, unless they do that, I am telling you right now, it will end up in an electoral disaster.
100% agree with that.
They've got to look forward and not not keep sticking to the old ways of doing things.
Appreciate the call, my friend.
Thank you.
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Uh Bob in Texas, the free state of Texas.
What's up, Bob?
How are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean, thanks for taking my call.
I have an issue that I feel is very important that is not getting enough uh attention, and that is about these shootings that are occurring.
I'm uh I'm a forty-five year retired conservative college professor, and I agree with almost every position you take on the items that you present in your program.
We listen every day and whatever.
Thank you.
I was born, believe it or not, in New Jersey.
Uh when I came to Texas, I came to Texas because Texas was a free state, and it continues to be pretty free.
Well, one I'm a concealed carry permit holder and a proud supporter of the second amendment.
Greg Abbott, uh I'm uh uh Greg Abbott passed a law that allowed concealed carry permit holders to carry firearms concealed in their classrooms.
I did that the whole time I was teaching as long as when it was legal.
Now I'm gonna tell you something.
The universities are pretty they've gotten very violent.
They weren't that way when I first started years ago.
I taught in West Virginia, I taught in Texas, I taught engineering subjects everywhere and whatever, but they they've become very, very violent places.
And because a concealed carry permit can carry in Texas, there's a person that's there at the point of of concern if something goes bad.
Let me tell you, I can protect every school in America tomorrow.
I think there's 95,000 of them, maybe more.
Uh the last time I looked, it was around that number, if my memory serves me well.
Here's how you here's how you do it.
You ready?
Every single school has got to have a perimeter that cannot be penetrated.
Every school should have a metal detector, every student has to walk through that metal detector, just like getting on an airplane.
Second, and and lastly, and most importantly, every single school needs retired military, retired police in the in the hallways of that school and outside that school to make sure that those kids are safe and secure.
And they've got to be trained and they gotta be armed and they've got to be courageous, and if you do that, we won't have any more school shootings.
It'll be over.
Well, what about qualified teachers though?
I mean, that that's that I had I had I have no problem with it.
I think a teacher ought to have the right to defend uh their students.
Sean, I had the last class I took, I had threatening letters written to the president about me, and I had to have uh police at the final examination.
Can you believe that?
Yeah, of course I can.
Welcome to my life.
That's called Hannity's life.
You wouldn't believe the crap I have to go through.
You know, I felt bad for Alvin Bragg of all people.
Somebody sent him white powder.
You know what?
That happened to me, and my assistant at the time had at least six or seven hours of hell where she literally had to strip down as they were testing what the powder that came out of an envelope that she opened, and you know who I'm talking about.
And and pre and and was in tears, and nobody could go in and even talk to her because they thought she might have been exposed at that time.
It was around the anthrax time.
You know, never mind you know, however, you know you I we can't have these people doing this and getting away with this.
We never were able to find the perpetrator.
Um I've had fatwas on my head.
Trust me, I'm this I have a funny story about my kids about that.
Because my daughter was young at the time.
And anyway, I I had arm security inside and outside my house.
And they were there for a long time.
And my daughter very innocently said, Daddy, I don't understand your friends, you're not spending all, you know, a lot of time talking to them.
Well, I didn't have time because I'm busy working, and they were just, you know, obviously doing their job.
And then her brother, who was a little older, said, You gotta be kidding.
They're trying to kill dad, don't you get it?
My daughter breaks out and saying crying.
I'm like, did you really need to say that to your sister?
You know, did you really have to tell your sister that Santa Claus may not be real?
Did you really have to do that?
Um it would be the equivalent of that.
No, keep that in.
No, keep that in.
I won't but it's true.
It's the same thing.
Anyway, but I get your point.
Um I have no problem at all, but it's a shame what you've gone through.
You know, there are mo look, there are people that are responsible gun owners that can protect our kids.
We need to be using them.
All right, I appreciate you calling in.
Thank you, sir.
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