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How Bad Is Twitter? - December 8th, Hour 2
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So Elon Musk is dump number two, if you will, as it relates to Twitter.
But what's really coming into focus for everybody is what is the role of James Baker in all of this.
James Baker, of course, the chief uh counsel for the FBI uh during the Russia Gate hoax, and uh then a former fake news CNN uh contributor.
What what is his role in all of this?
Because what was Matt Taibi made the comment, and he is working for Elon Musk, obviously, that in fact uh it was him that was vetting the documents that they would finally release from Twitter that exposed the fact that Twitter was involved in election interference and that these meetings were taking place with the FBI on a weekly basis, and the FBI was telling them you gotta be on the lookout.
There's going to be uh, you know, potentially foreign interference and hack and leak operations, and some of it might be about Hunter.
At least we got that piece of information from Twitter's own head of uh site integrity, Yo Roth is the guy's name.
Um, but what is his role and about the decision to fire James Baker?
Uh it and how important that is if Elon Musk, who he seems is sincere, wants to clean up the site.
Um, James Baker, if you remember and you go back to the Russia Gate hoax, he actually, you know, it was still out there saying that Christopher Steele was reliable.
Now, remember, I'll give you the timeline with Russia Gate.
In August of 2016, even Bruce Orr was warning the FBI not to use Hillary Clinton's bought and paid for Russian disinformation dossier put together by Christopher Steele.
He was telling everybody it was a political document.
Anyway, so the FBI decided to check it out for themselves.
We learned this in the Danchenko trial.
So they sent over FBI agents in early October of 2016.
They offered a bounty.
They offered a reward, one million dollars to Christopher Steele if he could corroborate that in fact the Steele dossier was was true and accurate.
Well, he never got the money because he couldn't do it.
And then by the end of October, they still use the dirty disinformation dossier that not only was not verified, it was unverifiable because it was all phony.
They used that as the basis, the bulk of information to get the Pfizer Warrant approved against Carter Page, which which then connected them to all things Trump world because of his attachment to Trump at different points.
Uh and his campaign, meaning they spied on our president and a transition team, uh, and at that point a presidential candidate.
It's pretty unbelievable.
And James Baker defended it to the end.
Steele was a reliable source.
No, he wasn't.
In January of twelve 2017, when Danchenko, the main source for Christopher Steele, was questioned by the FBI.
He said none of it's true.
It was all bar talk.
Anyway, James Baker still defends it.
Listen to this.
So what is your view of the way the j the FBI interacted with Steele and how we should understand what his role was here?
That's a big question.
So um look, the investigation was not predicated on the basis of the information that Christopher Steele gave to us in the form of the dossier.
That is just not was not my understanding at the time and has never been my understanding.
So just to say that flat out.
Uh Steele at the time, my understanding was that he was thought to be a reliable source that had a had had a prior relationship with the FBI and brought this information to us.
Look, with I don't know how to say this other than we're not stupid, right?
The FBI.
We're not stupid.
You take the information and you try to vet it.
And that, my recollection is we spent a lot, we, the Bureau, uh, the folks in the counterintelligence division, spent a lot of time trying to vet that information line by line.
And Andrew McCabe said without the dossier used in the FISA application at the top of a Pfizer application that says verified, uh, they would never have gotten approval for that warrant.
But they couldn't verify it because they couldn't give Christopher Steele the million dollars, and Steele's source said no, none of it's true when they finally interviewed him, and their reaction to his response that it's not true was to put him on the payroll, if that makes any sense.
Anyway, Greg Jarrett has a great uh piece on his website uh talking about the Musk decision to fire Baker and how important that decision is for cleaning up Twitter.
Remember it was Elon Musk that said, Well, if you shut down dissenting voices, that is by its very definition, election interference.
He further went on to say about the media trying to downplay this.
Of course they're gonna downplay it because they're complicit and lying to the American public.
Uh, and they were acting as uh Twitter at the point at that time was acting as the propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.
But it wasn't just Twitter.
It was every big tech company was having these weekly meetings.
Now we're finding out the State Department had their own separate group of people meeting with big tech companies again to censor important information, in this case, information that that very likely would have had a huge impact on the 2020 presidential election.
Anyway, Greg Jarrett is with us.
Sir, how are you?
I'm fine, thank you.
Amazing how James Baker clings to the lie, isn't it?
Yeah, I mean, it's a cozy little group.
I um I spent uh several hours reading through uh one of uh the deposition transcript of of one of James Baker's pals, FBI agent Elvis Chan.
It's about 400 pages long.
And I find out on page 239 of Chan's that he's pals with Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and James Baker.
And it was Chan who organized these meetings with Twitter uh leading up to the 2020 presidential election, warning them of you know, Russian hack and dump uh focusing on the Hunter Biden laptop.
So naturally with the New York Post spirit.
By the way, it goes a little deeper with Chan because his postgraduate thesis claimed that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help former President Trump.
And you're right, he's the one that organized these weekly meetings with big tech.
Yeah, and he's pals with Baker.
And you know, these guys see a Russian behind every door, and you know, there's always a Russian conspiracy going on.
But they use it as an excuse, Sean, um, you know, politically.
And there's uh pretty compelling evidence that the FBI, together with Joe Biden's presidential campaign team, as well as Democratic authors, uh, were pressuring uh Twitter and Facebook that when this story comes out, Hunter Biden laptop, you gotta kill it.
And that of course is exactly what they did.
They had to conjure up an excuse, which was, oh, you know, it was hacked.
Well, it wasn't hacked, and even the executives at Twitter knew that, and they, you know, the Twitter files showed their emails saying, wait a minute.
This wasn't we can't justify it, but it was James Baker who said, Oh, yeah, well, we got to continue to censor this story.
Uh well, they well, they were saying internally that this hacked argument is not gonna hold up.
It's not holding up now.
And it was Baker that was saying, no, it's holding up.
Right.
Exactly.
And so, you know, what is so insidious is that uh when Musk came in to clean up the place, uh, he didn't uh unfortunately realize James Baker's role in the original censorship of the laptop story,
and then Baker gets into the Twitter files before Musk orders them to be handed over to a couple of journalists, and it appears as though Baker started sanitizing the Twitter files, cleansing them of any incriminating information, not just related to him, but to what his old pals at the FBI were doing in trying to kill the Hunter Biden story.
So You can't make this up, and it was also uh the other it wasn't just Matt Taibi, it was also Barry Weiss, you might remember, took on the New York Times.
Uh, we bring Doug Schoen into the discussion, and David uh is a former uh counsel uh for President Trump, civil liberties attorney, etc.
Uh incredible credentials.
What's your take on the overall picture and Baker's role?
Um David Shown.
I think one of the keys you said earlier is Cozy Little Group.
I think the listeners have to know the connections between all these folks.
There's a connection between Comey and Baker in the private sector.
Then when Baker's brought in to be general counsel of the FBI, he replaces Andrew Weissman of all people.
These are all part of a group, like-minded folks with a like-minded agenda.
It's not coincidental that Baker then ends up at Twitter.
I think a major question here is what did Mr. Dorsey know about this at the time.
What was his role?
You know, he's given testimony.
Congress now is calling for the disclosure of all documents.
But what happened on his watch?
Because you know, the in if you believe the files as they have at least up to this point been released, they say that Jack Dorsey did not know and did not have any knowledge of this.
Right.
That's and he's calling for a full disclosure.
So let's have the full disclosure now.
But why didn't we have checks in place?
Because remember, this was a leading story at the time.
When the post came out with this, and then the post was shut down by Twitter.
This is a leading story that you covered over and over again to impress on the public the lack of integrity that this showed, the lack of transparency.
Because remember, this is a group that was at the heart of the FISA warrants, as you mentioned earlier.
Those were the most intrusive mechanisms possible to invade the privacy of American citizens.
And they didn't hesitate even to use those uh those kinds of tools.
So it goes to the very integrity.
Look, we know today, Twitter, Facebook, these big companies like this are all provided public for them.
And if the public isn't getting fair news because something because uh somebody's finger is on the scale, they're not uh being transparent, they're not allowing a story to come forward that's of major impact potentially on an election.
We've got an extraordinary situation here.
That's why it's so important to keep reporting on this now.
All right, quick break more with David Schoen and Greg Jarrett on the other side, 800-941 Sean, our number, if you want to be a part of the program.
As we continue, Greg Jarrett and David Schoener with us as we talk about James Baker, his involvement uh with Twitter and the release of these files uh showing election interference by uh Twitter and the FBI's involvement.
If if not for the FBI putting the s their thumb on the scales in this case, and they did it similarly in 2016, which we covered extensively, Greg Jarrett.
But in this particular case, they they had the Hunter Biden laptop themselves for eleven months.
I'm sure by then they would have verified that in fact it was real.
And yet they they they start a campaign to meet weekly with all of these big tech companies in the hopes that they can prevent this information from coming out publicly.
But they should have known it's true.
They should have even been prosecuting Hunter by this time.
And here we are three years later, and they still haven't done anything with the laptop, and we know that it implicates his own father, Joe Biden.
James Comer has said this is going to be an investigation into the president of the United States, Joe Biden.
We know Joe Biden lied when he said that he never spoke to Hunter or any family member about foreign business uh dealings.
We have photographic evidence.
We have Hunter's implications in his own laptop, uh, and then we have uh chronicled meetings that have taken place with Hunter, Joe, and foreign business partners.
So, you know, the FBI is corrupt on two fronts here.
They prevented the information from coming out that they knew was true, and uh secondly, they didn't do anything about what the Bidens were involved in.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
And you put your finger on something really important that the FBI seized the laptop in December of two thousand and nineteen.
All right, that's almost a full year before the laptop story comes out uh by the New York Post.
Uh but uh how is it the FBI knew that story was coming out to warn falsely uh the Facebook and Twitter because they were spying on Rudy Giuliani.
And Giuliani had one of the copies of the laptop.
They knew he was shopping around to be published.
And so the FBI knew, we you know, this thing's gonna come out.
It may come out before the election.
We have to get Twitter and Facebook and this is interesting you're saying this because This FBI agent, the one that wrote the postgraduate thesis that claimed Russia interfered in the 2016 election uh to help former President Trump, the the one that you said is friends with Baker and Strzok and Page.
Um, he didn't remember when he was uh under oath uh with the uh solicitor general in Missouri last week, uh whether or not they had ever mentioned Hunter Biden, but Twitter's former head of site integrity, Yel Roth, he remembered Hunter's name being mentioned very specifically.
Yeah, I mean, who are you gonna believe?
The FBI guy who has a motivation to cover up, or uh the fired Twitter exec, uh, who's decided to, you know, spill the beans.
Everything in Chan's Depot, and again, I read it last night, sworn testimony.
Um coincides with exactly what Yo Roth is saying, with one exception.
Chan's oh, you know, gee, I I gosh, I don't remember mentioning Hunter Biden.
Uh, but of course, he said we had discussions about Hunter Biden at the FBI.
So, you know what?
They were prepared for this to come out, and they concocted a scheme to try to kill it by pressuring Facebook, and they had a perfect mole there at uh Twitter, and that was James Baker.
You know, you can't you can't make this up in a spy novel.
Right.
Uh well uh David Schoen will give you the last word on this.
The last word is I think fresh air is gonna be the best disinfectant.
Let's get follow what Mr. Dorsey said.
Get all of these documents out in the open, then the Congress is gonna have hearings on the underlying story with the laptop.
I would like to say, Mr. Musk, um, I hope that uh Merrick Garland shows good judgment and doesn't try to shut you down.
What do you mean by that?
Why would he try and shut them down?
Well, because uh I'm afraid that there are many forces at play.
I I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but when we see how this Justice Park Justice Department has weaponized the criminal justice system and the prosecutions of many people, uh I I'm worried about it.
I thought Merrick Garland was above all of that, quite frankly, but he's going along with it uh far too far to far to a greater degree.
Oh, I think you give Merrick Garland too much credit.
I I think that their pursuit of Donald Trump is evidence of all of that.
Uh anyway, Greg Jarrett, David Schoen, thank you both for being with us.
We appreciate it.
800 941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program uh later, by the way, Rebecca Kopfler will join us.
Uh we'll talk about this prisoner exchange with Russia, uh Brittany Griner for the merchant of death, and why didn't a Marine by the name of uh Paul Whalen get released also.
Uh he should have been part of this deal.
We'll get to that.
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All right, 25 to the top of the hour.
So when you think of all of the people dying from fentanyl overdoses, when you think all the people dying from heroin overdoses, on average 300 Americans a week.
If you look at the border and and we now will set a record high number of illegal immigrants coming into the country this year, over two and a half million, uh under Joe Biden, we're we're approaching five million for two years as president.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
Uh all the other problems associated with open borders, the cost on the American people, it's impacting every single state, the preferential treatment that Joe has given them.
And Joe Biden hasn't had an opportunity, was only a little over a hundred miles away from the border this week, but couldn't be bothered going down there to see firsthand what's going on at the border.
Uh when asked about it, Debbie Dingle from Michigan said, Well, I don't care if Biden visits the border.
He's he's seen photos, and he knows we have a problem.
Does he know we have a problem?
Because if he knew we had a problem, why wouldn't he go back to the the policies that worked under Donald Trump?
Anyway, listen to this and listen to how callous this is.
Congressman, would you uh woman would you like to see him visit the border?
I don't care if he visits the border or not.
That doesn't he doesn't need to visit the border to know we've got a problem.
He's got people that report to him every day about what the problem is.
And sometimes we fixate on these little issues.
Do you think the president doesn't know we got a problem at the border and what the issues are?
I know he does.
But but not necessary to see it firsthand.
That's a little issue.
I I I think he knows it's gotta be addressed.
He's gotten the reports, he's seen the photos.
So that's uh I mean, I at some point he may or may not come, but I think he knows what's gotta get fixed, and you've seen him begin that process.
We haven't seen him begin any process.
And never mind the fact that they caught this year alone over a hundred people on the terrorist watch list.
How many of those people snuck through and were undetected?
Anyway, let's hit our busy phones.
Let's go to Texas.
Dean needs to be propped up, I see a little bit.
Dean, what's on your mind?
Your heart seems to be troubled.
What's the matter?
Well, sir, thank you for taking my call.
I will tell you the reason I called is because all these issues that we're having are still going to be issues unless the country changes direction.
And we just had this election and folks are wondering, a lot of conservatives, I'm a conservative.
A lot of my friends are wondering why we aren't winning these.
I mean, if you look at how the socialists and hyperspending, anti-American rant of the left candidates, well, we should be running away with this stuff.
So the question is why we aren't.
And I don't think that the damage is coming from uh the opponents from the Nancy Pelosi's and Joe Biden's.
I think the damage is truly coming from inside of our own party.
I really think, and I'm and I know this is going to sound like frustration or even repudiation, but it's not.
I'm worried about winning in the future and changing the direction of this country to stop the illegal immigration, to stop these these horinous things that are going on.
And sadly, the problem is when the face of the party are people like McConnell and Graham and Romney and Collins and Kramer, all these people that supported the one trillion dollar infrastructure plan, uh it becomes very difficult for people like me to look at my friends, my conservative friends, and say, go vote, go vote, we'll change things.
No, we won't, because these same people are not.
Well, let me ask you, was it worth voting for Greg Abbott?
No.
I think so.
I voted for out if if you is it is it worth voting in Texas for Ted Cruz?
Because I would vote for Ted Cruz and RP.
Yes.
Ted Cruz is one of the exceptions.
To me, Ted Cruz is taking heat because he's standing by the conservative principles he believes in.
Greg Abbott is far and away better than Beto O'Rourke, who shouldn't be a candidate in my opinion for dog catcher.
But I think listen, I'm not saying that Greg Abbott is perfect.
I think he's done a good job as governor, which is why he won by double digits in his re-election.
Let me let me let me let me let me let me concede a point to you.
There are there is a battle between the establishment wing of the Republican Party and the more conservative wing of the Republican Party, the America First Wing, the Make America Great Wing, if you will.
Uh that is real.
That's not fake, that's not phony.
Um, but there are certain fundamentals that both sides, at least on paper, say they agree with.
You know, one would be energy independence, one would be going back to the Trump policies on on the border.
Uh another one would be the belief in law and order and safety and security.
Most Republicans I know want school choice.
Uh most want uh conservatives on the bench.
So there there are enough there's enough low hanging fruit.
There's enough 90, 10, 80 20 issues that we can agree on.
No parties give is is going to have full agreement on everything, although the Democrats seem to.
It sounds like in a way you but you must point out that there are some things that you I in my opinion, no this is just my opinion.
But I think there's some things you can compromise on.
I think there are some things that you can negotiate with.
Principles are not one of them.
Principles are the thing that make you who you are and and I think specific examples like I would agree with you on the second amendment.
We shouldn't compromise I would agree with you on we shouldn't compromise on the border.
We shouldn't compromise on energy we shouldn't compromise on law and order.
We shouldn't compromise on education.
What what specifically are you worried about?
Spending is that the main issue?
In in Texas, I have to go by Texas because I know this one because that's where I'm from in Texas the GOP has a set of principles.
This is an addition to their platform which is very large but they have ten principles.
Among these principles are things like smaller government, lower taxes, self-reliance.
These things are all things that I think not just Republicans, not just conservatives, but a lot of Americans agree on but it seems like that when people get elected to these offices and they have an R after their name they quickly turn on these when their political self-interest becomes an issue.
Some some do and some don't I can give you an example of it in Texas if you'd like in Texas there's a couple of examples and I and I have to say before I say this voters and this was across the board Republicans and Democrats cross party lines was forty five point seven percent of the 17.7 million registered voters in Texas which is down 7.3% from 2018 midterms.
And the reason I looked that up was because I felt like there was less voting and it's because we're not charged.
Had Ted Cruz been on there I think there'd have been more people Ted Cruz is a principled man at least from what I've seen.
But for instance Greg Abbott Greg Abbott still has the emergency uh disaster COVID nineteen declaration in place to this very day.
That puts us in the likes of California, Illinois, Georgia, whereas most red states have dropped this there's no reason to continue it.
Our Texas speaker a Republican named Dave Phelan continues to seat Democrats on committee chairs just so that he can keep the speakership.
Whether you agree with these or not when I talk to conservative friends they look at these examples they're not stupid people.
Most of Americans I've met are certainly smarter than me.
And they look at this stuff they see it and go why it's it's the same person with a different letter after their name why should I get excited about voting for that person?
The Democrats have a horrible agenda in my opinion.
But it does if you're saying to me that there are rhino republicans I'm acknowledging and conceding the point.
If you're saying to me that there's not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans, I would say that just isn't true.
Even Republicans that are more in the middle or even more to the left or rhino Republicans, as we call them.
Look politics is not science.
It's it's part part principles are scientific.
It's you stay on your principle.
You stand on them.
There is an art of politics.
And part of it is you have to work with groups of varying groups of people that have differing philosophies, governing philosophies.
And it means you a lot of times when you're putting together a bill or whatever it happens to be that you're not going to get everything that you want but you gotta fight hard to get as much as you possibly can.
And is any any bill ever really going to be perfect?
Well I mean it it it sometimes but not that's usually not the case.
It sounds like you're a little too discouraged by it but my my advice to you is rather than pull back from the process is to get more engaged in the process.
And if you really feel that strongly about all these things and I hear a lot of passion in you, then I think you ought to consider putting your hat in the ring and getting in the state legislature and getting a leadership position and and start pulling people over to your side and winning the argument the more conservative arguments that you want won.
Does that make sense?
Because I mean we could sit and bitch and moan about the imperfection of it all or we can do something about it.
It does make sense, but I don't want to deviate from the main point which was these were examples of passion.
Look, uh again, please understand I am not supporting any leftist or liberal agendas.
The liberals have tapped into a passion.
It's a negative passion, but it's a passion nonetheless.
If the Republicans don't stand and fight for these principles.
And I'll tell you where it has worked.
It's not just negative.
Look at Florida.
Florida had an increase in conservative voters.
Why?
They didn't show up because the voting process was better.
They showed up because they believe in Ron DeSantis and they know he'll fight for them and they'll go and fight for him.
It is a map for us to follow.
That's what we need.
And we need it in our leadership in spite of what you say I can't snap my fingers and tomorrow be the Senate majority leader.
But we have to begin the process.
You live in a pretty darn good state that is about one of the most conservative in the country.
And it's the reason why so many people want to leave their states and move to your state.
I'm sure your system's not perfect.
I'm sure the people that run the state are not perfect.
However, I mean you're in a much better position I can tell you than a lot of other states around the country.
And if you think that you have ways to improve the system form a group of people start meeting with these let elected officials start telling them what what they're doing right, what they're doing wrong and what you want them to do.
Um I'm I'm trying to give you an answer and and when I do you just seem to pull back from that and go back to your your list of grievances.
Okay, you've got your grievances you've explained them I understand them.
They make sense to me now I would argue go do something about it.
All right that's my advice to you I hope that helps Dean.
Quick break we'll come back 800 nine four one Sean our number if you want to be a part of the program.
All right let's get back to our busy phones here.
Uh Natasha is in Ohio next on the Sean Hannity show.
What's up Natasha how are you?
I'm good thanks for thanks for taking my call.
My question is about possible consequences for these people and organizations that are complicit in in this Hunter Biden laptop free speech suppression ordeal I mean I I know we're used to people on the left getting away with everything under the sun but I I think the severity of these blatant violations against the American people and the First Amendment demand accountability and real consequences.
And I want to know what that might look like.
I mean, is that loss of jobs?
You know what might end up being a blessing?
That with the Republicans winning the House and having a smaller majority than some anticipated, it might result in them doing things in a more bold way, because I think the conservative caucus within the Republican Party in Washington is going to demand it, meaning the Freedom Caucus, for example, and others.
going to demand it and I think what's going to happen and I hope happens I hope they unite together behind a real agenda and they don't stop until they fulfill every every single issue that's on their top priority list.
You know look one thing happened this week we haven't spent a lot of time on it but uh as a result of Republicans fighting they actually got the military vaccine mandate uh provision removed uh from the what I hope will not be an omnibus bill I hope it's going to be a continuing resolution on spending I think that is a huge win for the military number one and and hopefully it that'll eliminate the mandate from everybody for everybody else as well.
Yeah I think we we have a real opportunity here with with the evidence that has come about and and with what Elon Musk has done I mean to I to capitalize on you know taking some of these people down it just it people need to this is a particular point of frustration for me.
I spent three years exposing the Russia collusion hoax and if there was a very small group of us that were digging deep every single day.
And we actually got every every fact right, and we proved what they did.
And nobody was really held accountable.
It's a shame.
However, the American people did learn.
What's that?
I I don't want that to happen again.
I I feel like that had that happens over and over again.
And I agree with you.
We don't have equal justice under the law in this country anymore.
You know, and that you know, but hopefully over time, you know, we'll click this this might be the tipping point that cleans up the FBI.
The FBI should be the world's premier law enforcement agency.
It's not, it needs to reclaim that title.
And the only way they'll do that is cleaning it up.
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