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Dec. 3, 2022 - Sean Hannity Show
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Fighting Back Against Cancel Culture - December 2nd, Hour 2
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Hour two, Sean Hannity Show, 800 941.
Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Um I'm not sure enough people have heard the incredible, courageous, unbelievable story of NS Cantor.
He's uh, you know, former MBA player, actually he's a free agent as of right now, uh, human rights activist.
Uh he was honored at the Fox News or Fox Nation Patriot Awards, and listening to him tell his story was just so compelling and so interesting and so heartwarming and so touching.
Um I wanted him to come on the show and share with you.
Uh Freedom, welcome to the program.
I I I assume you prefer it to be called Freedom.
Thank you for having me, Michelle.
Yes, please.
That's like the greatest name you can take.
So Well, let's talk about that.
Then let's talk about your name change and why.
Good question.
You know, I actually have a very uh funny story behind it.
I came to United States from Turkey when I was 17 years old back in 2009.
And I remember I had a I came here for high school.
Uh I w we had a practice, and right after practice, you know, I was sitting down with my teammates, and obviously we were uh on our phone, and I remember, you know, one of my uh teammates posted something uh on Facebook, he was criticizing the president, and I immediately turned around.
I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
He said, What happened?
I was like, I saw your post.
You were trying to pre president.
And he said, So what happened?
I was like, Well, you might be in jail tomorrow.
So they all started to laugh.
They said, Listen, man, this is not Turkey, this is America.
And I was just very confused.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
He said, Well, we have pretty more speech here, pretty more protest, just because of your criticise the president of the government, you're not gonna be thrown in jail the next day.
So I was like, this is the greatest thing that human can human mean can ever have.
Yeah, yeah, your life background is interesting too.
Uh you mentioned that you came from Turkey, your dad was a doctor, if I recall, your mom was a nurse.
Uh and you moved to the United States at 17 to play basketball.
Uh, tell us that story.
You know, uh my whole life, obviously, my uh family was all about education.
Uh, if I were to stay in Turkey, it would be just about basketball.
But my family wanted me to come to America, so get my education and play basketball at the same time.
So I was like, you know, I came here when I was seventeen, and it was an incredible experience because you know I came here, learned a different language, different cultures, met with so many different people, and it definitely opened my eyes, especially, you know, as a teenager coming to America, that this is that there's so much opportunity that you can do what literally whatever you want in the world, or you can become whatever you want and you want to in the world.
So it was definitely an eye opener for me.
So I'm glad that I chased my uh dreams.
So you were third overall draft by the Utah Jazz in 2011.
And and let's go through your your professional career briefly, and then I'm gonna talk a little bit about how you got into the political arena.
Of course.
Um, you know, I got drafted back in 2011 by Utah Jazz.
Um, you know, I was super excited because it was like the first time that I'm playing basketball at NBA, dream come true as a 19-year-old represented my country, my family, my friends, and all my uh love muscle was definitely was definitely an honor for me.
Um and then I I played eleven years, five different teams, and the last team I played for was Boston Celtics just uh last year.
So let's talk a little bit about your politics.
You you were quoted as saying in May of twenty seventeen, I hope people around the world will open their eyes to the human rights abuses.
Things have gotten very bad over the last year.
This is not my opinion.
We don't know everything that is happening inside of Turkey, but we do know some facts, and newspapers and media have been restricted and academics have been fired and and peaceful protesting is not allowed, and many people have been imprisoned without any real charges.
And these are there are reports of torture and rape and worse, and how this has now impacted your life in terms of your ability to be with your family.
Right.
You know, back in 2013, there was a big corruption scandal happened in Turkey, and President Erdogan and his family members were involved in it.
And there was actually for the first time that I I said something as a basketball player I put a literally put a tweet out there and it became a conversation in the United States and Turkey because of the NBA platform.
So I was like even one simple tweet can affect this much from now and I'm going to start pay attention about what's going on in my country more.
So I start to uh study.
I remember you know my all my teammates were going out having fun.
I was going back to my apartment I was uh studying.
Um the more I study the more you know big platform started to give me this huge uh my microphone so I started to talk about the problems were happening in my home country Turkey.
Um you know obviously the things I talk about affecting me and my family.
My dad was a scientist, you know, he got fired from his job.
My sister went to medical school for six years and she still cannot find a job.
I think the saddest one was my little brother because he wanted to be like his big brother and be an MBA but he was getting kicked out in every team because you know because of the same last name.
So they were getting affected so much they had to put a statement out there and say we are disowning it as publicly the letter actually is still out there on in the internet.
Uh Turkish government didn't believe that you know they came to my house and they raided the whole house and they literally took every electronics away phones, computers, laptops because they wanted to see if I am still in contact with my fair family or not.
They couldn't find no evidence but they still took my dad in jail for a while and you know they we put so much pressure you know from America to Turkey they had to let him go and then they removed my passport and they actually put my name on Interpol list.
So I can only go to you know twenty seven countries in the world because of the execution deals between uh countries.
So uh I I think I'm one of the few people that have pointed out over the years that Erdogan and Turkey, even though they're members of NATO, they're no they're no ally and they're no friend of human rights or the United States.
Definitely not I mean I whenever I sit down with a politician in America and we always talk about the same thing.
I was we were like you know he's you know asking for F 35 and F sixties from America but same time he's going and getting S400s from Russia.
He's going shaking hands with you know leaders like Xi Jinping and Iran and Putin so it's like definitely not yeah I mean so that is now you can't go see your family.
You can I I understand that you're alone now in the sense that you you really can't even be in contact with your family.
It's been it's been ten years now the last time I saw them.
The the c the the the the bad thing is that I I have been trying to you know get my family out of Turkey the last six, seven years and it's just not working, you know unfortunately the big Turkish government took my family's passport away and they're not letting them leave the uh country in twenty nineteen they did an ESPN documentary on you.
It's a phenomenal documentary.
I've urge people to pull it up on demand.
And you you've condemned other dictators around the world like President Xi we see you know he keeps talking about his uh geopolitical ambitions and taking over Taiwan or what he calls reunification which we know is is anything but and you've stood up for the the uh Uyghur minorities in China you've spoken out against other human rights abuses.
Um now you do have a home in the US is my understanding and what does that mean?
Are you building your own life here about the fact that you can't be with your family?
You know it obviously I mean I at least I have a home you know because before the last before I came American citizen the last five six years I didn't have any place to call home.
Um but but now I can start just everything over in this beautiful country but um you know like you said up I mean I wish I had my family with me but um I think the most beautiful thing is that I the all the beautiful things that I can't I I can have in this country.
The opportunity, the democracy and freedom, freedom of speech, religion, expression, freedom of protest.
So it's like I just hope that the people can see that what they have in America.
Do you think most Americans I I believe we we often take freedom to use your name for granted and I think we take the blessings of liberty for granted.
And sadly I see America moving more and more towards you know government authoritarian um protection so to speak and a loss of of a lot of American freedom.
Do you see the same thing?
You know I do because I remember you know whenever I I was playing for the MBA and we were all obviously all sitting down in the locker room and they were just criticizing America and they were just complaining about the things that are happening here and stuff.
And one day I stopped for a second.
I was like, dude, guys, let me this summer, whenever the season over, let me take you guys.
I will buy your ticket.
Let me take you guys in a country, countries uh out there like China, Russia, and Iran and Venezuela, and Cuba and North Korea, and some of the other dictatorships.
And because people don't know, obviously I'm not saying America is perfect and everything, but you know, when you look at some of the countries out there, right?
It's just not even close.
So this conversation couldn't be held in many countries around the world.
Think about that.
Oh my God, yes.
I I I'll give you an example.
My manager's wife is Turkish, and her dad liked one of my tweets on Twitter, and she was in jail for 13 days.
It's so hard to believe, actually.
It's whatever I say I tell about this story, people are just so hard to have to believe.
I was like, it's on internet.
You can literally go on Google and and put put the words and it will uh come out.
So if we had this conversation, if me and you have are having this conversation in Turkey, me and you will be in jail tomorrow.
Uh I'd be dead already if I was in Turkey because I would have spoken against Erdogan a long time ago.
It it has frustrated me that many of our allies, even some powerful Americans, uh, think that Erdogan is a friend of the United States.
He's not.
Um you see what's happening in China.
The people are rising up against these draconian covet shutdowns.
You see what's happening in Iran.
Uh they are rising up against the Ayatollahs and the mullahs of Iran.
This poor woman didn't wear her, quote, head scarf properly, was put in jail and murdered.
Um, and you saw what happened with the soccer team.
Uh they didn't sing the national anthem in one game, and then the Iranian revolutionary guard came in and said, You better sing against the United States, or we're gonna go right after your family and kill them and and and torture them and do whatever we need to do or want to do.
You know, I want to say quote unquote unshakable.
Authoritarian regimes are now being shaken at their very core.
You see China, you see Iran, it's just people are now like sickle this dictatorship and they're rude anymore, and they want their freedom, they want their democracy, and that's what I was trying to tell my teammates every day.
I was like, listen, guys, like you guys are lucky to just talking about just anything outside of uh basketball.
If you guys are in this country, all your family members will be tortured and raped already, you know.
So I just hope that people can see that.
But but let me ask you, by speaking out, do you think it hurt your professional basketball career?
I mean, I do believe yes, I'm being black ball.
I mean, I uh I I talked to I remember uh talking about you know, uh China and talking about Nike for the first time.
After the first game, one of the t one of my teammates uh woke up to me in a in a locker room and he whispered my ear and he said, You know, this is your last year at MBA, right?
You're not gonna get another contract after this.
I hope you win a championship.
I hope you can't have fun in your last year, just keep smiling, but you are not gonna play basketball ever again.
I was just very confused.
I was like, I thought MBA is all about social justice and more than athletes, more than basketball.
So you're telling me that the crazy thing is the things I talk about, not even politics, it's human rights.
So I don't care which side you form, whichever part of you cheer for, you have to care about these issues.
Because while we dribble the ball on the other side of the world in China, there are three, four million people are in concentration camps getting tortured and rape every day.
So just because of what took about these issues, that you're gonna just blackball me.
And this actually it happened.
You know, in last February, I got fired.
And since then, not one single team that called my agents or not one uh GM.
Unbelievable.
I mean, what a sad what a sad tragedy for you.
All right, quick break.
We'll have more with MBA player Ennis Cantor, also uh better known as Freedom, all coming up.
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We continue with Ennis Cantor, better known as Freedom, MBA uh player and human rights activist.
Tell me about your life now.
Um, because when you described what when you spoke at the the Patriot Awards, uh you described a pretty lonely existence.
Yeah, I think that what breaks my heart to more.
I mean, I played in NBA for 11 years.
I had hundreds of teammates, hundreds of courses.
Um now I'm like, I'm trying to communicate with them because this is not only about me.
I feel like they can join me.
We can literally create this big moment, you know, because what's what's driving the crazy is how can a Chinese dictatorship can control a hundred percent American-made company organization like MBA.
And how can they fire and just newly uh American citizens?
That's what's driving me uh uh crazy, but you know, I have been texting them, I have been calling them unfortunately.
There's not one response because they're scared of whenever I do an interview, right?
I'm just gonna mention their name.
That oh, this guy supported me and this uh play stood with me, which I would never do without the uh permission.
Um, I mean, the the last, you know, five.
People are afraid.
And there's a lot of money at stake for people.
And and I understand it.
Well, your story's phenomenal.
Um, you know, uh I think we're gonna have you back at different times.
I'd love for you to I think your future may be in television, maybe as a commentator, maybe as a human rights activist.
You know, Americans need to speak out about what's going on in China, what's going on in Iran, what's going on in Russia.
Um, your story is inspiring.
Um, and I hope people appreciate what it is that you have put on the line just to speak your mind, and uh, I hope you'll come back and be a frequent guest.
No, that'll be amazing, man.
Thank you for having me, and it's an honor for sure.
Vaness Cantor, better known as Freedom, uh, MBA player and human rights activist.
Thank you, sir, for telling and sharing your story.
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I hope it does.
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Uh let's go to Edmund in Alabama.
Edmund, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Uh good afternoon, Mr. Hannity.
How are you doing, sir?
I'm good, sir.
Happy Friday.
What's on your mind?
Yes, sir.
I just wanted to comment on the uh potential uh rail railroad strike, which uh looks like it's gonna be averted.
Uh I uh retired from one of the major railroads.
Uh I had about 20 years because I came to them late in my work career life, but it was the best job I ever had, best outfit I ever worked with.
And uh within the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees Union, the one that is not wanting to negotiate, the one that's wanting to go out on strike.
And uh I believe that President Biden is very, very clueless about what these men do, Mr. Hannity.
And if you have just a moment, I'd like to share.
These men, most of them do not have local assigned jobs.
They have to travel.
When most people are going to church on Sunday morning, their families or their neighbors, they're packing up and getting on the road to go to the next work job.
They work in all kinds of weather.
The only thing they don't work in is in uh lightning.
We uh I'm started out with a trackman swinging a hammer with him and retired as the manager, uh, managing some of the same men that I had worked with side by side.
They're a great bunch of guys.
Uh they they really are not unhappy about their money.
They are well compensated.
They but the time off with family does prey upon them.
And they make a lot of sacrifices.
And I know this is the job they chose, but someone has to do it.
And they do a great job.
They make sure the track infrastructure is safe for trains to roll over, not only Amtrak carrying passengers, but all the freight that the railroads support.
And they also man all the bridges that have to be opened and closed.
So they not only are responsible, these men are not only responsible for making sure the trains roll through, they make sure that maritime traffic uh flows freely through those bridges.
So are you under any impression that I'm somehow against rail workers, uh, because or you just giving this knowledge out generally, or something that I said that might have caused you to think that.
No, sir, I'm not.
I I'm giving this gener a knowledge out general because I think a lot of the American people don't appreciate what these men and women do, Mr. Hannity.
And frankly, I think that talking to I still talk to railroaders that even though I'm retired.
I think that they would even forego paid leave as long as they didn't get penalized, like the point system, for instance, penalized for when they do need to take time off.
Because frankly, I I think when you look at, and I'm agreeing with everything you say, and by the way, this goes for everybody in every every work uh uh place environment.
You think of what the life of a trucker, how hard is that?
You think of the life of a farmer.
How hard is that?
Uh or a rancher, uh another hard job.
Uh being a nurse, being uh an orderly, being a doctor, ever it doesn't matter.
Jobs are hard, life is hard, life is difficult, and I think it's designed to be, and it brings our better self out of us.
Um and when I looked at the deal that was being offered to the unions, it was a 24% pay increase.
The average person will get an eleven thousand dollar bonus, which in these inflationary times is needed and necessary.
I know there was the final dispute over sick days, etc.
Um, it doesn't sound like a bad deal to me, uh, considering you know, they spent a lot of time negotiating it.
I'm not getting involved in it, uh, but it did sound like a pretty good deal that for the unions to to look at and take a part of.
Well, I I agree, but Mr. Hannity, uh the money is great and the money that they're offering is great, but the men, from my experience, they value time off also with families because they are so they're away from their families so much.
That's a lot of professions.
I mean, I know people that are salesmen and businessmen, they have to travel all the time.
People in the financial industry, they travel all the time.
Uh sure.
I I traveled a lot more earlier in my career.
I don't travel as much as I used to, but um I traveled uh I did 65, 70 cities some years uh in the early part of my career.
Um and it was at a point when my kids were young, and uh, to be honest, looking back on it, I was away too much uh during my kids' younger years, and I regret it.
I I've told them I regret it.
I I but in in some ways I didn't really have a choice.
And I just felt like I I never knew how long this career of mine would last.
I always thought it would end because I watched too many people in my business uh get fired.
I didn't expect to be the last man standing in prime time at Fox 27 years later when I started, I can promise you that.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
So, you know, look, I I do appreciate these guys.
I appreciate our truckers, I appreciate our farmers.
I you know, the people that make this country great are the people we're talking about.
It's not the talk show hosts, it's not the politicians, it's not the people on TV.
Uh they can contribute in good ways and they can do their job, but frankly, they get too much in terms of accolades recognition, and the people that really make the country work every day don't get the recognition that I think they rightly deserve, including the people that that you're describing.
You're you are describing the heart and soul of America's greatness, and that is its people and how hard we work.
Americans, you know, Europe looks at America and they think we're all nuts because we work so hard.
They do not have the same work ethic that we have.
Um, and I see a push towards uh going away from that.
I don't know.
I I to me it's just been ingrained in me.
It's in my DNA.
I've worked my entire life since I'm eight years old when I started as a paper boy.
Twelve years old washing dishes by hand.
I told this story a million times.
Everybody I know, I don't know any do you know anybody that works a 40 hour work week?
Because I don't know anybody that works a 40 hour work week.
Uh not on the railroad for sure, Mr. Hannity.
I never knew any Yeah, right?
I mean, probably your your average week is a minimum of sixty hours, I would imagine, right?
Now you get time and a half over time, but I would imagine sixty is probably the average.
Minimum, yes, sir.
And it's I usually start before daylight and many times ends at after sunset.
Yeah, but you know, my mom did more sixteen hour shifts as a prison guard.
I mean, I think it killed her in the end.
But um she did it so she could send her kids to Catholic schools.
She she thought that there was value in education, and she paid a price for it for sure.
And she was gone too.
Although we didn't have typical family dinners when I grew up, not at all.
It wasn't like all right, come home, be home at 6 30 for dinner on the table.
I didn't grow up in that world.
Right, right.
Well, I you did, and I appreciate what you said of the past few minutes because you paid tribute to the people in this country that need to be paid tribute to, and I appreciate that.
I try and do it often.
When when we hear from farmers, we thank them.
When we hear from truckers, we thank them.
When we hear from people from nurses uh who are putting themselves on uh COVID hand grenades every day, we thank them.
We thank our military, a lot of people to be thankful for.
Um and I'll be the first to tell you, being in the public eye, we get way too much attention, way too much in terms of accolades, and the people that do make the country great don't get enough.
All right.
So that's that's that's my heartfelt feeling.
But you speak for us, Mr. Hannity, and we appreciate it.
Thank you.
Well, thank you all.
God and I I mean this.
God bless you and your families.
I hope you have a great holiday.
Uh I hope you get the contract that you guys want, and that it's uh it all works out in the end because if the country doesn't know how important rail is to our supply chain issues, you'll find out real quick if there's a rail strike.
Anyway, my friend, God bless you.
Thanks for letting us know all of that.
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Uh let's go with to Steve is in Florida.
Steve, how are you?
Glad you called.
Yeah, I'm well.
Thanks for taking the call, Sean.
Yeah, I know you've been strongly disagreeing with President Biden for the student loan relief uh program.
And the major point you made when I've heard you in the past talk about this, that no one forced college students to take loans.
That's a hundred percent true.
No one did.
But by the same token, no one forces businessmen, real estate developers, casino operators, uh, to take out loans or float bonds either.
But they are all allowed to get out of your loans and declare bankruptcy, right?
College students is a class or not.
I don't particularly like bankruptcy laws myself, but that's a whole separate issue for a whole separate day.
But the point the point is is that alone among people who have acquired debt, our college students are not allowed to discharge their loans.
So I look at what Biden's doing and the way I the way this is but you gotta focus on one thing.
This is for people, if my memory serves me right, that are making up to a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year.
Now, if somebody is having trouble paying a loan, there ought to be a mechanism where maybe they can delay their payments, extend out their payments until, let's say they lose their job until they get back to work.
Usually there are programs in place for that.
I know people that have gone back and negotiated with banks and lending institutions and have come to similar agreements.
But the idea that you want the rail workers and the guys and the truckers and the carpenters and the farmers, maybe they didn't get a college degree to pay for your college, uh, I think is a little presumptuous.
And then to want to empower your government to take their money and give it to some kid that went to Harvard or Yale is to me is just total BS.
If you sign a loan, pay it back.
If you can't pay it back on the on time, then work out a new agreement where you will pay it back.
Well, here my point, look, I don't disagree with everything you're saying, but I just agree with some of what you're saying.
I think that people who have are making a lot of money after college can pay it back.
They should not be forgiven their loans, right?
But the point is in our country, the tax laws and the bank laws favor people of means over people without means, right?
Wealthy people pay on average a far lower percent of their income than do working class people.
So when I look at a program like this from Biden, which may be a little bit too generous on the margins, okay.
The way I look at it is he's just trying to level out the playing field somewhat.
It's imperfect like all laws and government policies are.
We don't need the government to level the playing field.
Because the money that's paying the money that will go to pay off a loan that somebody intentionally went into, they that they have to honor their agreement.
They said they would pay the money back.
Why would you want to empower our government to take other people's money to pay back their loan that they signed on to voluntarily?
I think that's fundamentally unfair.
Sean, the government has empowered people, other people, businessmen and corporations, to level the playing field, quote unquote, by discharging their debts in bankruptcy.
Okay, but you're talking about a separate issue, which is bankruptcy.
We're not talking about students that are bankrupt.
If they're bankrupt, then they should go back to the lending institution where they borrowed the money, explain their circumstances, set out new terms, probably with more interest that they will start paying back when they get employed again, if they're out of work, for example.
But you shouldn't empower your government to take from one group of people to pay off a loan that some someone willingly signed on to.
That to me is your socialist hellhole.
And all it's gonna do is breed anger and contempt among people that actually have to pay for it when they themselves got no such benefit.
And uh the fundamental unfairness here is ridiculous.
Now, in terms of people that abuse the laws regarding bankruptcy, I have no uh they have no sympathy for me.
And if people squandered other people's money, they should be held accountable in the end.
And their wages should be garnished appropriately.
Sean, the definition of bankruptcy for most people is if your liabilities exceed your assets, you're bankrupt, and you're allowed to declare bankruptcy.
I understand the injustice of it, and I'm not I'm not saying I still believe if you declare bankruptcy, you should not be off the hook for the rest of your life.
At some point, if you start making money again, you owe everybody that money, you should pay it back.
That's my feeling.
But I got to run.
We're going around in a circle here.
I do appreciate your thoughts and your call, though.
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