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Kari Lake - November 11th, Hour 2
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So this is Bill Gates saying that uh out in Arizona that uh we'll have 400,000 votes counted by next Tuesday.
Listen.
When do you anticipate the votes will be counted in total those 400,000 plus votes?
Well, we have uh we will be going into next week.
There's some onesie twosies uh again pursuant to Arizona law, but I think that we'll see the lion's share here wrap up by early next week.
Early next week, can you give me a day?
We're talking Monday or we may maybe I know as long as you won't hold it to hold me to it, but I think that's what we're looking at at this point.
Uh maybe Tuesday, possibly Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, we just don't know.
Um and everybody is just sitting here thinking, how is this even possible?
How do people end up with with faith and confidence uh in the system when 47 other states are able to give their election tallies uh the day of or the next day after election day?
Uh this has gotta stop.
It is so unfair, and you know what?
It it undermines all integrity in this system, and people then end up with uh a lack of confidence in the results on either side.
Uh and then you get called an election denier.
Uh okay.
Well, who who would ever put up with this insane system?
Nobody that has you know a reasonable mind.
Anyway, Kari Lake is back with us, the Republican gubernatorial candidate going up against Katie Hobbs, who's in charge of this election debacle out there in Arizona because she wouldn't recuse herself, uh, which obviously she should have because of a clear conflict of interest.
So Carrie, here we are, and and this is where what I want to ask you is yesterday we were at a point, what with 650,000 votes remaining, and we expected somewhere around 400,000 of those to be day of drop-off votes.
In the case of Blake Masters, you were doing a little better.
He was getting sixty-eight percent of those day-off drop-off ballots.
Uh if that pattern would hold, he would then be elected senator.
Now I don't know what to think.
What are the new numbers today?
Are we back up to a million or what?
Well, I just got some information from my team, and they say there are approximately 548,000 statewide votes to count.
The majority of these are those folks who walked in and handed their um mail their filled out ballots to the folk folks at the polling places.
So they were the mail-in ballots that they hand delivered because they don't trust the system.
And we think we're gonna do well.
Blake needs sixty and a half percent of those votes to go his way, and I need fifty-two and a half percent of those ballots to go my way in order to win.
And so I think I'm I've got it, I'm going to win.
And I think Blake has a pretty good shot.
Um, you know, the sad thing is the way they count votes in this state, they it ends up where the Democrat votes are counted first and the Republican votes are counted last.
They count all the early mail in ballots, you know, we've been collecting mail in ballots for a month in Arizona, and all of those are counted first and tallied up.
The very last ones they count are the people who hand deliver their ballot on election day.
So by voting on election day, you're almost punished because those are the very last ballots they count.
And we need to change the system.
The system is a circus.
Our elections are run like a circus.
We've got clowns running the show, and we need to change it.
And when I'm elected, and I am I am going to be the next governor, I'm 100% sure of that.
On day one, we're gonna call a special session, and we're gonna get to work to reform our elections so that the good people of this state know results on election night.
It is as I've been pointing out repeatedly here.
It's it's inexplicable at this point.
How you know, yesterday we're at 650,000 votes, so that did they count a hundred thousand votes last night or what?
I don't know.
That's a good question.
You d you don't know.
So these numbers come out of thin air.
I know there were a number of drops.
How did they come in?
And do we know where they came from, or is it just a guessing game?
It's kind of a guessing.
Well, my team would know, but um, let me look.
I'm literally getting a text message um from my team.
I'm trying to kind of sort through and see which ones I should read to you if you want me to read them all, I will.
Read them all.
It says the 4600 from drawer three.
Yeah, I don't know if your audience knows what drawer three is.
Draw it through.
Let me explain to people.
On the day of on election day, when the tabulators weren't working, uh people were given options.
Option A was to go to another polling place where the tabulator apparently was supposed to work.
Uh 20% of tabulators at the uh on election day we were told were not working, and or drawer three was, or you can fill out your ballot, put it in this box's draw right here, and it'll be counted after the election.
So I think you said there are 17,000 votes in that in that batch.
17,000.
So this is what the update I'm getting uh from my team.
Uh the the 4600 from drawer three tabulated last night now go to adjudication.
If one single ballot in that batch needs adjudication, they hold the entire batch back and then they add the vote counts after the adjudication is complete.
We expect the results from that 4600 drop tonight.
Those should go heavily our way, Sean.
On the approximately 12,000 others from draw three, they are tabulating them right now, and then they go to adjudication, and we will not be getting those twelve thousand tonight.
After all of drawer three tabulated, then they will begin tabulating the holy grail, what we've been waiting for, the election day drop offs.
They're called late earlies.
Then those batches will go to adjudication.
So I do not believe we are seeing any of those ballots dropping tonight.
Those are the ones that are gonna go hardcore for me and Blake.
Those are the people who have distrust in our elections.
Those are the people who've been following every nuance and every uh bit of details that stem from the November third, twenty twenty election.
Those are the people that have been called and labeled election deniers for two years.
And those are gonna go our way.
So let's just put ourselves in the um in the mind of a Democrat.
You're looking at the vote count right now, and your candidate is up, and the case of Mark Kelly is up by what, four, whatever whatever points he's up.
Um in your case, it's almost a dead heat race with Katie Hobbs, but she's maybe up a point, point and a half, two points, whatever it happens to be at this moment.
And imagine you're a Democrat and and now we have five hundred and forty-eight thousand votes, the vast majority of day of drop offs.
And let's assume that the percentages remain the same.
And let's assume the percentages of draw three are are gonna be your go heavily your way and Blake Masters' way.
And then all of a sudden, these votes are gonna be counted and things are gonna flip dramatically.
And if you're a Democrat, uh are they gonna be screaming uh this is unfair, this is unjust, uh, this is not accurate, this can't be true.
We've been leading the whole way.
Now in this final moment, you're giving in to Republican pressure.
I don't trust the system.
Is that what's next?
Are we gonna have a bunch of Stacey Abrams running around?
You know, we could.
I mean, and this is the problem, Sean, with the way we've been doing our elections.
And shame on our elected officials and so-called leaders who put their head in the sand after 2020 and kept repeating the the mantra.
It was a perfect election when it wasn't.
I have been I've been sounding the alarm since then at risk of people yelling at me and calling me names.
We needed to make serious changes to our election, and they didn't.
And so we're still every election we've got, one group or another saying what's going on.
And and and both sides are right.
We do need to reform our elections, and we will reform our elections.
I think this is the final straw.
People won't take another election run this way.
Um, but you know, we'll see what happens if they can't start counting.
I will tell you this.
Last night we knew the bunch that was coming out was still heavy Democrat votes, because we know where they're coming from.
And I will tell you this, Katie Hobbs, my opponent, should have done a whole lot better.
She gained votes, but she should have gained more votes.
So even when the drops are supposed to go their way.
They're not going big enough their way.
And they're running out of ballots to count that are going to go their way.
And they're holding these votes that are going to be the red Republican hardcore mega crowd.
Those votes have not been touched yet.
And we haven't we're waiting for those.
You know, I mean, this this is why I'm saying it's unfair to everybody.
All right, quick break.
We'll have more with Republican gubernatorial candidate Carrie Lake on the other side, 800 941 Sean, our number if you want to be a part of the program as we continue.
We'll get to your call straight ahead on this Friday.
All right, we continue with Carrie Lake, and she is the Republican gubernatorial candidate out in Arizona.
And yes, we have another election mess out in the state of Arizona, just like the state of Nevada, just like the state of Alaska, none of it's surprising, but it is a national embarrassment and disgrace.
I'll be honest, I'll put myself in the in the in Democrat shoes if I was out there and we have these day of dropped off votes.
The that that fits the profile dramatically of a conservative Republican voter that does not want to risk their vote not being counted by putting it in the mail, but they felt compelled enough to actually they know they want their vote counted, so they decided to drive it in and put it in the box themselves so they know that it's going to be counted.
Those day of votes will go heavily.
They have been going heavily for both you and Blake Masters.
Now, if I'm a Democrat and you have a lead into, you know, for an entire week, and then all of a sudden those votes that we're talking about start getting counted, and then your lead starts to evaporate to the point where you're now behind by X number of votes.
Uh if I was a Democrat, I'd say this is this is total complete BS.
I wouldn't want to believe it.
I would think there's something nefarious going on.
Uh you can't prove it.
Especially when the media's been covering these stories.
Oh, wow, they're ahead.
They're not really ahead.
They're not really ahead.
They just haven't the vote hasn't been counted.
And so they might be believing what the media is saying, which is wow, look how great that you know Trump's people didn't do good.
Trump's picks, whatever they're pushing, whatever that narrative is, it's a false narrative.
The narrative should be the honest narrative, the honest story should be they're taking a long time to count the votes, and we don't know who the winner is.
You know, it's really amazing to me, Kerry, because and I go back to Marco Rubio.
I've been quoting him a lot because they counted seven and a half million votes and they did it in under five hours in the state of Florida.
And if Florida can do seven and a half million votes in under five hours and you're going to take days upon days upon days to do 400,000, then 400 becomes 650,000.
And now we're down to 548,000, but we don't know if a full 100,000 was counted yesterday.
I mean, it is it's just so unfair to you.
It is unfair to Blake.
It is unf it's unfair to every Democrat.
I have no sympathy for Katie Hobbs.
She's running the system.
She's in charge of the system.
You know, and you know, ever since uh January of 2021, I've been calling for every state to adopt, you know, election integrity measures, which are uh signature verification, voter ID, chain of custody control.
In other words, that once a ballot arrives, it is on camera the entire time, and the public would have access to watching it, updated voter rolls, and partisan observers uh watching the vote counting from start to finish.
I mean, I don't think any of that is unfair.
I don't think it's burdensome.
I don't think it's you know, it it brings integrity into the system.
Now, I would even take it a step further if I had it my way, and I said this to you on TV last night.
I would have a national holiday, it's called voting day.
And unless you're infirmed or elderly and you can't get to a ballot uh get to a precinct, or you're gonna be out of town, you can request an absentee ballot.
Uh all of the voting would be paper ballots, day of partisan observers watch all of the voting and they watch all of the vote count.
And guess what?
By the end of the night, we're gonna know who won.
If it's close, count it again.
If you want to count them five times, count them five times.
I don't care.
But the reality is we'll know that night.
This this nightmare scenario, which is unfolding here in Nevada and Alaska can't continue to happen.
No, it's not rocket science.
It's pretty basic stuff.
We've been voting for uh in the centuries.
It's pretty basic.
You vote, you count the vote that night.
Paper ballots, small precincts where you can count right there on site.
There's a million ways to do it, and we need to make it easy to vote, impossible to cheat.
And I will tell you that you're right.
They need to fix the uh they need to uh bring honest elections to Nevada as well.
It's not fair to the candidates.
I'm more sad for my volunteers, my teams, the people of Arizona who got behind this movement and have two elections now, the August 2nd primary and this amazing election.
We're not able to fully embrace the victory on election night.
And that makes me sad because we had the biggest volunteer team in the country, the most exciting campaign in the country.
We have a movement and they didn't get that proper celebration, but we will have it.
I do want to say one thing to your listeners.
I know you have a lot of them here in Arizona.
I know the adjudication as they're doing signature verification.
If you dropped off or mailed in a ballot, answer your phone if you get a number on there you don't recognize.
They're calling people, and I found out they're sending letters in the mail saying we need to verify your signature.
If you get one of those, make sure you respond immediately to your vote is tabulated.
I just saw that anyone and said, is this a legit letter?
And we we passed it by our team and they said yes it is.
So check your mail and answer your phone.
I know people don't like to answer strange phone calls, but just make sure that um if you sent in one of those day of ballots because they wanted to check your signature, they might be calling you to make sure that you did indeed.
That's an important message.
You know, entire countries all over Europe, South America, Asia, they count their votes in less than a day.
Canada, France, South Korea, the UK, all use paper ballots.
They're all able to count a hundred percent of the votes on election night.
It's time for America to wake up and have a change.
Democrats don't want that, but it's time for a change.
Harry Lake, thank you for being with us.
Thank you, Sean, and thanks for the work you're doing to spread the word about this.
Appreciate it.
We're trying, thank you.
All right, 25 now till the top of the hour.
800 nine four one Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
You know, somebody knows uh a business guy in Saudi Arabia and calls me and says, Hey, you want to talk to this guy in Saudi Arabia?
And I'm like, I don't know who it is.
I have no idea who this person is.
And I said, by the way, um, yeah, I have something that uh I'm in agreement with with you guys.
Um you shouldn't be providing our energy.
We we have more than you do.
We should be producing it here in America.
I think the guy can you imagine me saying that, Linda?
I think the guy uh was a little bit shocked to say the least.
I said we don't need your oil.
I think it's great, you know, that you even had the opportunity.
I think most people, if we had the oh, with your oil and whatever else you think you're gonna get.
That's what I said.
I said we I I agree with you guys.
We you shouldn't increase production for us.
We don't need your oil.
We should be doing it right here in America.
And uh so I think it took off.
By the way, I said to him then I go, Do you know MBS?
Do you think you'd sit down for an interview with me?
No, you didn't.
I did.
You tell him you'll fist pump them.
Just say I'll give him a quick fist pump.
What's that?
Tell him give him a fist bump, just like uh Joey.
I'll shake his hand and uh, you know, expect to die the next week.
I don't know.
There you go.
There you go.
That's positive thinking, right?
Absolutely.
I mean, I think it's in keeping with the theme of the week.
Oh, there's uh I'm present with this media guy, and uh you you probably have never heard of him.
Apparently the guy did hear of me.
That's kind of surprising, don't you think?
Well, not really.
You're pretty popular in Israel and they hate Israel, so I'm sure they hate you.
So you're advising me if I did get the interview not to go.
I mean, you were willing to go on the view, you know.
I mean, you seem to like to walk into situations that are you know similar to being walking in the hell, so go for it.
Uh I will not be on that trip though, just so you know, I'm be very busy that week, whatever week that happens.
So one of my sources told me, and I I never really went deep into it, that when President Trump on one of his meetings with Kim Jong-un, that the Korean delegation didn't take a single bite of the food.
Not one.
No way, really?
Yeah.
And and that the reason given was uh I to me was it was obvious they didn't want to get poisoned.
I'm like, okay, what do you think?
The United States is is gonna poison your food?
Now, the sad reality is in Some countries, that probably would be good advice, especially for us, right?
I mean, I wouldn't put anything best this government or any government right now.
I've never seen the behaviors we're seeing.
I don't trust anybody.
Okay, we're not gonna we're not gonna poison foreign leaders.
That that we'll leave that map to the likes of uh Vladimir Putin.
All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with a good PBJ.
And maybe, you know, you you keep it in your back pocket.
That's all I'm saying.
You mean bring your own food with you?
I listen, what did I do when I went to Vietnam?
I mean, I brought one suitcase with just protein bars.
I mean it's a guy and a thing of peanut butter.
You uh she had like a whole bag full of just one bag.
Just a whole bag.
It was that's right.
And I'm like, and I was the only one who didn't get sick.
Do you have any like cheese noodles in there, any pop corner anything?
Anything worth eating.
Uh and and then of course, where are we?
We're in I guess Helsinki and Singapore.
Yeah, and my every every day my room is getting swept for bugs in case I'm being spied on.
I'm like, oh man.
Well, you were.
I mean, that was a real thing.
Well, I mean, we were told in Singapore that everybody that will be working at the hotel you're at is gonna be a spy for China.
And I'm like, no, come on.
And they said, Oh yeah, they'll all be they'll all be spies.
And anyway, so they went in and they swept the room and they swept it again, and then they put tape on it, and if the tape was broken, I wasn't allowed to go in the room.
I'm like, I'm living like a James Bond movie here for a few hours.
Oh, listen.
And then Singapore was so freaking hot.
We do the show, it was 9 p.m. Eastern was 9 a.m.
Singapore time, and I'd get up and I'd have to throw on a suit, and you know, they had air conditioning, obviously, and then I'd walk outside, and within a minute and a half, my shirt was drenched.
That's I've never had a very, very, very hot.
There's no question.
Oh man.
And so I'm after the first day, I'm like, guys, I need a fan.
I need something.
It it by the end of that first show, the my jacket was soaking wet.
That's how do you remember to so Dan Hoffman was on that trip and he used to do his hits.
Dan Hoffman.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
He used to do it.
He was the one making us more paranoid.
He, you know, as a former CIA guy.
Oh no, he wasn't being paranoid.
He was just keeping us up on what's reality.
But he would literally get done the hit and go swimming because the pool was directly next to where you were broadcasting TV.
Every single hit because it was so hot.
Oh, it was crazy.
It was.
Um, but then I do the show every day, and in the breaks, I would get up and I would literally stand in front of this blowtorch of a fan and and booming all over me just to you know cool me off.
It was so much sweat.
I'm like, this is unreal.
It was a very bad 80s video.
What?
It was a bad eighty eighties video for sure.
You in front of the fan.
It really was.
So bad.
You know, man.
Anyway, let's get to our phones here.
800 941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Uh let's say hi to Gloria.
She's in Indiana uh today.
Gloria, happy Friday.
Glad you checked in.
How are you?
Happy happy Friday, Sean, and and I appreciate you and Linda.
Well, I will tell you what, I'm just so as everybody else, I'm so frustrated with this.
It's so unacceptable.
I was uh frustrated, you know, 2020 election, and now it's even more because we haven't changed anything.
And you know, we just need to stop being so passive and complacent about this.
I mean we actually need to call it what it is.
It's just plain shenanigans.
It's no good.
And I and I really liked what New Gingrich said yesterday on your show on how how are we six million votes more that only pick up a handful more seats in the house.
I mean, I'd just never be convinced that someone, you know the the the situations that are going on, we have people sitting in their basement or something.
Listen, I'm just gonna put it very bluntly.
Whether you're a Republican or Democrat, it it shouldn't matter.
You you know, this should be an area of of agreement that this can't happen anymore.
You know, I I kept uh since January of 2021, I went on the air and I said every state needs to adopt all these election integrity measures.
I won't repeat them again because most of you can recite it with me.
I've said it so many times.
But if this doesn't know, I'm from the great state of Indiana.
We have I have confidence in my in our in our voting.
Um you know, we walk in with our state issued ID, they scan it, and then they'll you know, escort you kids voting machine.
And we have a results real quick.
There's there's no vo voter ID requirement in New York.
I walked in to my voting booth.
They they know me because I've been voting in the same precinct for years and years and years, and they're wonderful people that they they volunteer their time to do this.
And I said, hey guys, how are you?
Good to see you again, what's going on?
And one guy wanted to engage in political talk.
I avoided that like the plague because I figured I'd be thrown in jail if I said anything.
And you know, but no ID needed at all whatsoever.
And when you think about that statewide, that should be such a fundamental integrity measure that everybody would want.
Democrats don't want it.
Why don't they want it?
The only reason I can think of is for nefarious purposes.
Absolutely.
And and you know, I'm glad that in 2018, you know, when the whole DeSantis uh was going on, they made those changes.
And you know, he did win in an enormous victory.
But you are you almost wonder because of the way that our elections are going right now.
Maybe if we had those in place in those states, maybe we would see those same results with those big margins.
Listen, I I will tell you it's it's beyond frustrating, it's disappointing, and I don't see an end in sight of this.
I don't think Democrats want these measures.
The obvious answer would be to do what they do in Canada and France and South Korea and the UK, paper ballots, make it a national holiday.
Uh all those countries are able to count 100% of the votes on election night, and you know who won.
You have entire countries all over Europe and South America and Asia, they count the votes in less than a day.
There's there's none of this hand wringing, none of this, you know, all right, we're waiting for the next drop.
None of this are they day of votes, are they early votes?
Are they, you know, are they in draw 13 now we're talking about uh because the tabulators, what's a tabulator in Linda?
It uh tabulates, and you're welcome again.
I'll be here all day.
Tabulator doesn't tabulate.
Uh then you're given a choice to either go to another polling place or you can put it in the tabulator draw three, they call them.
And that's the one.
So can I interrupt for one second?
Because I actually have some breaking news on this, and not to interrupt your caller, but Brady Smith is gonna call in any minute.
He's the chief political strategist for future governor Carrie Lake.
Carrie and Brady just called me on my cell, and I'm gonna put them on the air right now.
And he has some breaking news um that Carrie didn't have a few minutes ago, and I just said you gotta call in and know us.
Uh thank you for the call, by the way, Gloria.
We love our friends in Indiana.
You guys are the best.
Thank you.
Uh anyway, Brady, how are you?
Glad you called.
Doing well, sir.
Thank you for having me on.
Okay, so we just talked to Carrie, and what we learned from her is there was five hundred and forty-eight thousand outstanding votes.
Um, and that she only needed to win fifty-two percent of them.
The vast majority of those votes we believe are day of drop-offs, which would fit a a Republican voter profile, and those votes had been breaking heavily for Republicans.
What's this what's what's the latest?
Uh that is all correct, Sean.
You know, the the breaking news here out of Arizona is in at least two vote centers.
Uh, we believe that number to be higher.
There was an issue with the door three um ballots.
Um previously we thought that number was 17,000 door three ballots.
Uh the there was an issue at these vote centers where the physical barrier separating the door three ballots and the ballots that were tabulated was removed uh by poll workers on site uh which caused those ballots to mix together.
Now Maricopa County has said they're gonna go undergo some kind of reconciliation process here uh to try to sort out which of those ballots were door three and which were not.
But what we do know is the door three ballots are much higher than 17,000.
We do not know how many yet, but we do know those will break heavily for Kerry Lake.
You know, it's unbelievable.
We keep getting this information and it keeps changing.
I mean, it's now Friday.
The election took place on Tuesday, Brady, and and and the varying uh scenarios that change, both in Arizona and Nevada.
Explain this to me if you can.
I I think this really just speaks to the underpreparedness and the incompetence that it runs rampant in the Maricopa County recorder's office.
They've had two years.
Uh, you know, they've known that folks uh have some serious distrust in the system and that they needed to do this correctly.
So that folks are have faith in our electoral system here in Arizona.
But what they continue to do now is move the goalpost.
And the communication out of the recorder's office has been lackluster on this specifically.
And it's really frustrating for voters to feel like their vote isn't being heard, that their voice isn't being heard, which is why it's so important that we elect Cary Lake as governor, that Cary Lake will be the governor of Arizona.
And we are going to clean this up so that Arizona never has to undergo this.
And hey, you're not having to cover election results in Arizona for weeks and weeks following Election Day.
No offense.
I like the people of Arizona.
They deserve better than this.
I don't blame them.
I blame election officials.
The idea that Katie Hobbs never recused herself here is just inexplicable to me.
A clear conflict of interest.
But you know, there's only so many times we can go through this.
It's not only unfair to the candidates, it's not only unfair to the people of Arizona, but it's also unfair to the rest of the country.
And the rest of the country wants to know the balance of power in the House, the Senate.
They want to know how many governorships they won, they lost.
People can accept defeat, but they can't put up with a process that is so dramatically flawed.
And for people that say they don't have confidence or uh in the system that the system doesn't have the integrity measures that it should have, they're absolutely right.
And and then that ends to what then the media will call election denialism.
When Katie Hobbs loses this race, is she going to concede or is she going to say, wait a minute, I was ahead the whole time?
And then, you know, the last uh day of uh counting, I lost.
How is that possible?
Um I could actually sympathize with her on that, but based on what we do know about ballots, which which has taken a you know an enormous heavy lift to find out, you know, it it it certainly is explainable, but it's it's you know, that would be a bitter pill to swallow for if you're a Democrat.
It's not fair.
I I certainly agree with you, Sean.
This is this is frustrating, not just for the people of Arizona, but for the country as a whole.
I mean, when Florida has a population far larger and they're able to get election results very quickly.
Now, of course, Florida's results were were blowout races there, and you know, things are much tighter here.
But it didn't matter.
All the votes were counted in less than five hours.
That's that's the difference.
Absolutely.
And you know, they they can't they they can't we have five hundred and forty-eight thousand now, maybe more ballots that they're finding uh outstanding.
You know, how many more times are we gonna find more ballots in the days to come?
You know, which has been happening in Nevada apparently on a you know hourly basis, it appears today.
Uh it's so frustrating, I can't even tell you.
Listen, we do appreciate you, and and I I I'm very confident that Kerry's gonna win her race.
Um I'm worried about Blake Masters only because his percentage of of margin now is much much it's a higher bar for him.
He's got to win about 60 uh some odd percent of the vote uh remaining to actually uh beat Mark Kelly, and that's frustrating to me because it's so close and I uh it's just wrong on so many levels.
Brady, appreciate you being with us.
Thanks for the update.
800-941 Sean on number if you want to be a part of the program.
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