You want smart political talk without the meltdowns?
We got you.
I'm Carol Markovich.
And I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
We've been around the block in media and we're doing things differently.
Normally it's about real conversations.
Thoughtful, try to be funny, grounded, and no panic.
We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day.
Join us every Tuesday and Thursday, normally on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
I'm Ben Ferguson, and I'm Ted Cruz.
Three times a week we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
So Dow, verdict with Ted Cruz now, wherever you get your podcasts.
When I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked why.
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
From Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Listen to Fiasco Benghazi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Anyway, glad you're with us, toll-free.
It's 800-941 Sean.
You want to be a part of a the program.
Um so we have the rate at Mar-a-Lago.
And one week from today, and I got an early copy of this book, Paul Manafort's book will be released.
If you're looking for a first print edition, which I will be a guaranteed massive best seller, uh it's on Amazon.com.
I'll put a link on Hannity.com, and uh you can get yours uh on the day of release.
It's called Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, but not silenced.
Uh in light of everything that happened yesterday, boy, you have to wonder.
Uh Paul Manafort, welcome back to the program, sir.
Thank you, Sean.
It's good to be with you again.
I couldn't put the book down.
Because I couldn't believe it the th what all that you'd been through and that this can happen in the country.
Um I I went through a whole series in the last hour of all these examples of, you know, Joe's quid pro quo, Joe lying about knowing about Hunter's Farm Business Partners, Hunter's Laptop, Hillary Clinton, the Alpha Bank uh Russia lie,
the the dirty dossier that she paid for, uh, the deep state uh not verifying uh the dirty dossier, but saying to a Pfizer court that it's verified and spying on a presidential candidate transition team and then later a president, nobody held accountable, but when it came to people like you and Roger Stone and now President Trump, pre-dawn raids and in the case of you and Stone, uh guns ablazing, no knock warrant.
You you know, get on the ground, guns pointed in your face.
The only thing that Roger had that you didn't have was fake news CNN cameras capturing it all.
Well, that's because I lived on a in a condo and they had a tough time getting to the fourth floor.
Although otherwise it wouldn't have would have happened.
Let's let's get to the seriousness of the the seriousness of this right off the beginning.
And talk about your case through the prism of what we all witnessed yesterday.
Well, yeah, yeah, my case was centered on trying to get me to give them Donald Trump, which I wouldn't do.
And the more I said no, the more they came, you know, ratcheted up to pressure, you know, from solitary confinement to being in putting first of all being at home confinement, then in solitary confinement, uh, and and making my life visible bringing over 30 charges against me, all of which were in areas that I'd previously been uh been cleared by the government.
And in the book I go through all the details.
But the thing is, what they showed me was that the j justice is not what drives these people.
It's getting the notch on the belt, and in this case with their obsession of Donald Trump.
I mean, I I wasn't surprised uh that they were continuing to find new ways to go after January 6th and others.
Uh I was surprised, I have to admit though, that they actually did a uh dawn raid on Mar Lago.
But they're So do you believe as I do that that was a pretext that it had nothing to do with the the Presidential Records Act or the National Archives?
Yeah, you done Sean, you're absolutely right.
This is this is them being terrified that Trump is gonna run for uh again in 2024.
Uh and they n they just fear because they understand one thing about Trump.
Yeah, the first time around Trump as president didn't try and even scores.
He didn't try to.
I mean, yes, during the campaign of 2016, locker up was one of the you know rally cries, but Trump in control of the government didn't go after his political opponents.
Um but he learned a lot about how even if you will have the White House, the system is still willing to undercut you.
I don't think as if he goes into office again in 2025 that he will have the same attitude about letting the bureaucracy continue to exist as it did does when he takes office.
He will tr he will understand now the swamp NC include clearing out the bureaucracy, not just uh dealing with Washington uh members of Congress.
I wanna focus on now the and you go into the whole campaign.
There's there there's a lot in this book we're not gonna get in in in this half hour and and when we release a week from today, we'll have you back when you release the book.
I wanna I want to focus on one very specific thing here.
You just said that they wanted you to give up Trump.
What were they willing to give you if you did quote give up Trump and and w and were they telling you specifically what they expected in return for you giving up Trump and that and was it implied or said openly that you would get your freedom?
It wasn't said openly.
The way that Weissman played his cards...
Was he would he tried to get me to accept pieces of a narrative, not necessarily in the order that he wanted, but he was yeah, he was very clever about trying to trick me.
Uh i and get me to talk about Trump you know, when Trump knew about uh about the July uh release by WikiLeaks of the uh you know uh of the the dot the documents and emails.
He and he went around and about on that to focus on pieces that he could then say, okay, so here's the narrative.
And in the book I walked through all the steps of the narrative that they were trying to get.
But the key understanding was we're trying to work with you, Paul.
But you gotta you gotta let us know the truth about what happened.
And the reason I never expected anything to ever come out of our conversations with with each other was because I knew that the truth wasn't what they were looking for and they were not gonna accept it.
Uh the truth had to be their narrative and their narrative wasn't true.
Uh and and even the lawyers at the time a couple of times were upset with me because I wouldn't get beaten down into where Weiss would was trying to push me, uh, because I knew where it was gonna ultimately go if I gave on you know something that didn't seem like it was important in that moment, but when the whole narrative got pieced together could have significance.
So let me ask you this.
How many months did you spend in solitary?
And and I understand that you was your health was suffering in a numerous ways, including gout, which I understand my mom had it, was extremely painful.
Um and I remember one instance in which they actually put you in a wheelchair and willed you into a courtroom.
Yeah.
I was in solitary from June when they when I went from the courtroom to the uh to prison, uh you know, unexpectedly, uh until uh until sometime around uh June of the following year, uh after my trials were all over.
And uh they put me in solitary under the con under the fear uh uh roofs of my protection.
But you know, Sean, when I went into Loreto prison, uh and I was in the general population, no one ever threatened me.
On the contrary, you know, Trump was a hero in prison because he had done he had passed the CARES Act.
He had done what the Democrats say they were gonna do but never did in helping to remove some of the injustice in the prison system.
And so being his campaign chairman, you know, they looked at and then not be in Iraq.
Uh the prisoners looked at me in a very positive way.
So it was clear to me that the uh what I already knew is that that Solitary was meant to break me, not to protect me.
So in other words, uh just to be clear, I mean, you're with listen, prison's not a good place.
I don't care even if it's a a minimal security prison uh uh of losing your freedom is losing your freedom.
And your your general the the acceptance of your fellow prisoners, I mean, they they were nice to you, you got along fine, you had good relationships with them.
Is that a fair characterization?
Yeah, that's a fair characterization.
I mean a lot of different reasons from different groups, but uh uh but yeah, the fact that I was Trump's chairman did not put me in harm's way in prison.
And uh and uh you know, not having had any expectation of what prison would be like and never having been close to it in my whole life, I didn't know that going in.
Uh Did people did people try to bring you under their wing and say, All right, I know you're new here, let me tell you how this works.
Yeah, yeah, I did.
I had several people that go into this in the book, you know, right away, my first arrival, uh, you know, said come and tell me that uh, you know, here's what you need to know, here's what you need to you know, here's how we work here, how we'll protect you if you need any protection, which I never did.
Um it was it was a very different expectation than what I had, but what you said a minute ago was totally correct.
You know, being in prison is not picnic.
It's no fun.
Your loss of freedom, you they they dehumanize you, and I talk about that in the book.
Uh yeah, and and the Bureau of Prison claims to be there, uh, you know, and you read what they're doing for prisoners, it says everything you want to see in paper, but none of it exists in reality.
Uh and uh and and yet when I tried to help in prison by you know teaching some courses, helping people helping some of the prisoners uh understand how to adjust when as they got released, I was discouraged by the system from doing that even.
So let's talk about what so you you get to a point where okay, you're given your last opportunity.
They're they're basically saying, fine, if if you're not gonna cooperate with us, if you're not gonna tell us what we want to hear, now they're implying to you what they expect to hear from you, correct?
And I've they if you say this, it's implied that you're gonna be treated much differently.
Absolutely.
And then when I didn't still give in, they they brought up five charges where they said I was lying to them.
Uh and uh they and that uh obstructing justice by lying to them.
And and way, but at the end, uh that was a game too, because uh they never really pressed they claimed I was lying, they said they could bring charges, they brought up the lies, they presented it in court, but they didn't indict me on them.
The reason they didn't indict me on them is because the charges that they were claiming I was lying, I wasn't lying.
And there was no evidence that they could prove I was lying.
They just didn't get what they wanted from me.
And uh yet they needed the judge, in in this case, uh Judge Berman Jackson, who could have been sitting at the prosecution's bench, uh, you know, she uh she basically just uh uh gabbled to anything they wanted,
you know, and made decisions on anything they wanted, and they wanted her to be even more angry with me as as being obstructionist and being a liar and being a bad person, which was part of Weissman's strategy from the very beginning.
I mean, what I was in, by the way, was Mueller's pit bull as the New York Times described them.
Yeah.
And when I was indicted, first of all, they gave me a 10 million dollar bond, which was absurd.
I mean, uh, you know, John Gotti didn't have a 10 million dollar bond.
But then they threw a gag order on me.
Uh so I couldn't speak on my c my case or anything in the in the media accusing me of anything uh for the whole time.
And then they of course they leaked everything out, and as they were leaking everything out, you know, they were convicting me in the court of public opinion, which then was gonna be the basis for my jury selection in the Washington, D.C. area, which is the capital of uh anti-Trumpism.
So they they knew what they were doing all along.
And uh that was the game they played in trying to force me uh to to give them what I wouldn't do.
You're describing a system that is corrupt and broken, sort of like Sammy the Bull.
19, 20 murders, whatever it happened to be.
Oh, we'll send you free if you testify against John Gotti, because we want him more than you.
And and to me, if you're offering somebody something of great value like their freedom, um, a lot of people, in your case, no, would say anything you wanted.
Right.
And I think that's what they're doing with Trump as well.
I mean, you read the tactics they applied to me, and then just observe uh what they've been doing with Trump just since he left office.
It's the same thing.
If Donald Trump announced today, I'm not running in 2024, leave me alone, they probably would leave him alone, wouldn't they?
Well, yes, I think they would.
Maybe, maybe not.
They hate him that much.
People who would just they just want him his blood.
I mean, they're obsessed with it.
Uh and that that's you know, as I've gone in the last year, I've gone around speaking in different places, and uh the the two reactions I get.
I mean, most of it is extremely positive.
I mean, people love Donald Trump.
And the fact that I was there for Donald Trump, people have given me some of that uh that love.
Uh but to the people who hate Trump, and uh some of my friends are in this group, my old friends, uh, they don't want anything to do with me anymore.
Right, stay stay right there.
Paul Manafort's with us.
His new book will be out in a week and get a first print edition copy today.
Amazon.com uh and Hannity.com is called Political Prisoner Persecuted, Prosecuted, but not silenced.
Pretty incredible timing uh in light of what happened yesterday.
Uh, as we continue along, Paul Manafort is with us.
We're gonna get into more uh of this with Paul tonight on Hannity.
His book is out one week from today.
You can get a first edition, first print copy edition uh at Amazon.com.
We have a link on Hannity.com.
It's called Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, uh, but not uh silenced.
Um, you know, there's there's so much in here, and and you talk about obviously the a lot of of what this case is all about, but it's what is America becoming, and I and I only I know I hate to do this to you, but we only have a short segment.
What do you see between the way Republicans conservatives are treated in the justice system versus Democrats?
And how dangerous do you view this?
And I'll ask you more about it tonight.
It it's a very dangerous trend.
I mean, to say that we have a two-tiered system of justice is an understatement.
Um and it's it's so obvious.
I mean, if you look at what they did with with Flynn, they went after Flynn on the Logan Act, which was an obscure law passed in 1798 where no one was prosecuted.
Well, right.
John Kerry during uh Trump's presidency was in Iran telling the Mulah not to pay attention to Trump's Middle East policy.
That was what was really uh violating the Logan Act, not what Michael Flynn was doing as the National Security Advisor designate.
You look at me with my fair case.
I mean, I didn't uh I had settled the fair issue with Fair.
Uh and they dragged it up out of out of mothballs to get you.
Um anyway, the book I I couldn't put it down.
Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, Not Silenced, Paul Manafort.
We'll have more with Paul tonight on Hannity Nine Eastern on the Fox News Channel.
Also the great one Mark Levin tonight, uh, and we'll be joined by Dan Bongino, uh, Senator Marco Rubio, Senator Tim Scott, much more.
Uh 25 to the top of the hour, 800, 941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, you might recall uh just the news dot com, uh, senior editor-in-chief and CEO, John Solomon, um, breaking a lot of news regarding Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Chuck Grassley,
of course, discovered that apparently there are whistleblowers within the Department of Justice, the FBI, that have come forward to tell a story about what they know to be true about Hunter Biden and how Hunter Biden is being protected within the FBI,
and and information that would otherwise be pretty damning to anybody else is being spun into you know conspiracy theories like, oh, this has to be Russian disinformation, just like the whole laptop from hell.
And then Christopher Ray was on the hot seat trying to answer questions until he had a race off on a government jet that you pay for, I guess to go to vacation or wherever the hell he was going, knowing full well what was coming, and had no comments at all whatsoever.
Now remember, John Paul Mack Isaac, that he was the laptop repair guy that Hunter Biden brought his laptop laptops to.
Remember, he was doing the repair work when he noticed things that were of a such a disturbing nature that he contacted the FBI and he gave the FBI copies of Zero Experience Hunter's laptop.
And what is Christopher Ray who's being questioned about it last week?
What has he ever done about it?
Nothing.
Then I go back to points that I've been making.
In the three years, John Solomon was a big part of this huge ensemble cast that we put together.
There weren't really many of us that were digging deep into this Russia Trump Russia collusion conspiracy theory and hoax.
John broke a lot of stories in regards to this issue.
And in fact, how Hillary Clinton, you know, not only deleted 33,000 emails and had a separate email server, and we found out what the term bleach bit meant.
I don't think anybody had known that prior to that.
And then we had hammers and devices and SIM cards missing.
But then also you had two separate attempts to tie Donald Trump to Russia.
In the case of, you know, this Sussman guy and Alpha Bank and Hillary Clinton and this narrative that Trump towers were tied to this this Russian banking conglomerate, that all turned out to be false.
And then we learned about the money that Hillary funneled through a law firm, Perkins Couie, that hired Fusion GPS that hired Christopher Steele, and they come up with a series of documents that then become known as the Russian dossier.
And the Russian dossier then becomes as to quote the great Andrew McCabe, deputy FBI director.
Without the dossier, there wouldn't be no Pfizer warrants.
On the top of a Pfizer warrant, it says verified.
And they used Hillary's bought and paid for Russian disinformation as the bulk of information to obtain Pfizer warrants to spy not only on Carter Page, who did not deserve it, who we find out later was actually a hero.
He worked with the CIA for years undercover, risking his life, but then also to have a backdoor because of his association with Donald Trump and his campaign to all things Trump world.
And that meant the Trump campaign transition team and then later presidency.
I mean, all of this we've gone over in great detail.
And I said at the time, and I'll keep saying it, that if we don't get to the bottom of this corruption and abuse of power of this deep state with their quote, Peterstruck insurance policy, uh, it's going to happen again.
We've not been given any rational, reasonable explanation at all whatsoever for why this raid of Donald Trump's home took place last night.
Now, I did get a hold of a conversation with Gary Stern, who was at the National Archives general counsel there about inaccurate reports, media reports that uh they had raided uh Mar-a-Lago.
Anyway, they put out the following statement on February 8th of this year.
Quote, throughout the course of the last year, NARA, or the records is in National Archives Association obtained uh the cooperation of Trump representatives to locate presidential records that had not been transferred to the National Archives at the end of the Trump administration when a representative informed Naira uh in December of 2021, they had located some of the records and they arranged for them to be secretly transported to Washington.
They did not visit, they did not raid Mar-a-Lago property.
And by the way, it's even available on their their website.
If you want to take a look at it.
Anyway, John Solomon had broken a lot of these stories.
And one recent interview he did with former acting director of national intelligence, Rick Rennell, and his warning that the FBI is facing a real crisis of partisan tampering with investigations, and that he urged When he was the director of national intelligence, then President Donald Trump to fire Director Ray back in 2020 when these concerns first became obvious.
Quote, I told President Trump to get rid of them.
Anyway, John Solomon joins us now.
I mean, the hope when Comey was replaced would be that Ray would clean up the FBI.
Yeah, that was a hope.
And I think what we've seen is we've seen some rule changes, right?
We've seen some flashy announcement that we're going to do things differently.
But we continue to see the watchdogs of the FBI, like Senator Chuck Grassy, like the Justice Department Inspector General telling us, listen, there are still problems with FISA warrants.
They're still uh submitting unsupported FISA warrants.
And just last week, Senator Grassley revealed to us that there are multiple FBI whistleblowers that say that the FBI, particularly in its Washington field office, which handles a lot of the sensitive political cases in America, that it is rife with political bias, that uh an assistant uh uh agent in charge here uh was uh criticizing Donald Trump on social media,
investigate an investigation of Trump was opened without merit, and a uh investigation of Hunter Biden was shut down on the false claim that legitimate evidence was disinformation.
That happened the week before that same FBI office was involved in this raid at Mar-a-Lago.
The concern that the FBI is politically biased, something that goes back to the Russia collusion case, has not been resolved, people haven't been held to account, and now millions of Americans have graver doubts about the FBI than they've ever had before after this raid.
Let's go through this because I I think the pretense uh the pretext for this um well, first let me go back a little.
Let me play Rick Grinnell, because you actually did an interview with him, and I want to play your interview with Rick Grinnell and let people hear it in their own in his own voice.
The FBI agents that had their name on the redaction uh only because their bosses were too wimpy and lacked courage to put their own name on it because it was their decision.
And I've had FBI agents.
And this occurred on Chris Ray's Rats, right?
This is when Chris Ray's in charge.
Yeah, of course.
Uh I I told President Trump we got to get rid of him.
He was he was terrible.
He he first of all, he didn't understand what was happening.
He was so aloof to what was happening down below and had just a knee-jerk reaction to everything just to protect the status quo.
I mean, here he's a creature of the FBI, and he views everything as a PR exercise.
Don't criticize the FBI, don't talk about any failures at the FBI because he he loves the brand.
And it was a brand exercise.
And I would say to him and others, you know, the American public, they don't trust you.
And you are gonna improve the credibility of your organization if you admit mistakes.
Then people will see that you're not perfect.
They don't think you're perfect.
Don't fall down that trap that everybody thinks everything that the FBI does is is right and and is implemented perfectly.
Do you believe that what the pretext of this being um about the Presidential Records Act and the Archives, National Archives, do you believe that?
Because I do not.
Listen, I I think at the end of the day there's been a dispute going on about records that the president may have accidentally taken with him to Mar-a-Lago.
There was cooperation going on.
I think there's going to be some complexity in that cooperation we're going to learn about in the next couple of days.
Maybe some negotiating and horse trading going on.
And at some point the FBI became concerned and decided that they were going to make a claim to a judge that they had to act quickly and raid the compound.
I think that's what we're going to learn.
This is not how Hillary Clinton was treated.
When back in seven years ago, this month in August of 2015, when I broke the story, we we learned that Hillary Clinton didn't even have to turn over her classified emails right away.
They were allowed to be kept on the thumb drive, and her lawyer David Kendall was allowed to keep him in a safe in his office for a long time.
And we know the rest of that tortured story, how she walked away without any punishment, despite the FBI believing that she had been careless or reckless.
But the FBI action may turn out, maybe there'll be evidence to warrant it, maybe there won't be.
But here's the problem.
Because they haven't resolved these earlier issues, like Rick just talked About Ambassador Grinnell, what did he say?
He was lied to.
FBI brass said, hey, the frontline agents don't want to declassify these documents.
He goes and interviews the agents.
They're like, no, we're being ordered to say that.
That's not what we're saying.
Those sort of episodes, which have been repeated dozens of times in the last five years, you and I have been able to report on them, they leave the stench of politics and bias in political manipulation investigations.
And until that stench is removed, we're not going to trust things, even when they're legitimate by the FBI.
And I think that is a big problem for the FBI.
Quick break more with the editor-in-chief of JustHnews.com, 800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, we'll check in with the former Speaker of the House, Newt King, which is the top of the hour.
I'm more with editor in chief.
Just the news dot com.
John Solomon is with us.
Don't you think the more the greater likelihood is that this is a fishing expedition?
And and for example, and I spoke to Eric Trump last night, and I talked to other people, other sources last night.
And they all told me the same thing that there was there was a cooperation, as be, by the way, is being confirmed by the National Archives representatives on their own website, you can find it.
It seems to me that this has got to be deeper than what they're saying that this is.
And they're not really saying much at all.
We're not hearing from Merrick Garland.
We're not hearing from Director Ray.
And we have to believe that both of them signed off on a raid of a former president's personal residence.
So what what are they really looking for?
Is it January 6th related?
What could it possibly be?
Let me read you something that a source directly involved in this operation who knows exactly what happened at Mar-a-Lago uh yesterday, what this person said to me about what goes on in a raid like this.
Quote, agents have latitude to seize things that match the description of items being sought in the warrant, then later turned out to be relevant to other cases.
People involved in this are already thinking that, hey, they might have scooped up something that matches the description, like a box of documents, and they've taken it with them, and they might be able to find evidence that's relevant to another case.
Now, the Washington Field Office, which was involved in this raid, is also the one looking at January 6th.
Um, these are the dangers of wide sweeping raids like this, which is they scoop up things and they might actually turn into a fishing expedition later on, even if that's not their intention.
That's why people like Alan Dershowitz, like Jonathan Turley, who are, by the way, Democrat liberal lawyers have grave concerns about what the FBI did yesterday.
And I think that fishing expedition is one of those things we're going to doubt until we get better clarity, better transparency from the FBI why they took this extraordinary action.
Trafalgar came up with a poll.
Question one.
There are two tiers of justice, one set of laws for politicians in Washington, D.C. insiders versus one set of laws for everyday Americans.
79.3% of Americans agree with that.
Uh another question: there's one system of justice with laws applied to all Americans equally.
Only 11% of people agree with that statement.
And I've been saying it for a long time, John, and I think that our work together, and we worked together for years on the Trump Russia collusion narrative, and we've been vindicated and proven right again and again and again when everybody else was wrong.
Um, I think Americans have every reason to believe that.
That is the problem.
And if the FBI doesn't resolve this problem, regardless who's in charge in the future, it is going to eat at the fabric of this country because we've always believed hey, there's politics, there's sports, we play rough and tumble, but when it comes to the law, we're always been blind.
Justice has been blind, and people get prosecuted only because of evidence.
The Trump year showed us that you could have fake evidence or no evidence at all and be pursued for months and years.
Think of I the of all the documents I saw and were able to talk to you about on your show over the years.
This one document more than any other troubles me the most.
Agent William Barnett from the Washington Field Office of the FBI worked on the Russia collusion case, was the man assigned to Mike Flynn.
He knew that Mike Flynn's investigation was open without a pro proper predicate.
He knew there was no evidence to sustain anything that the FBI was going to uh uh that tried to do for months.
He recommended it be shut down, and then he watched the seventh floor reopen it without any cause, without any merit.
And he said to the Justice Department investigators, you know what this was?
This was like a bad game of clue.
These guys were willing to put any two people in a room and say, oh, a crime must have committed in the absence of any evidence.
That's what a career FBI agent witnessed his own agency doing, and he decried it.
We haven't solved that mentality in the FBI.
The fact that just last week new whistleblowers came out telling us that the FBI still has this problem.
And until we do, most Americans are going to continue to weigh in that way in the poll, and we're going to doubt political actions in the future.
That's not good for our country.com.
Uh great reporting as always, and we'll be checking in uh the next days and weeks to see where this eventually falls out.
We appreciate you being with us.
Thanks, Sean.
Quick break, right back.
Quick break.
You want smart political talk without the meltdowns?
We got you.
Now I'm Carol Markovich.
And I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
We've been around the block in media, and we're doing things differently.
Normally is about real conversations.
Thoughtful, try to be funny, grounded, and no panic.
We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day.
Join us every Tuesday and Thursday, normally on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Ben Ferguson, and I'm Ted Cruz.
Three times a week we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
So Dell, a verdict with Ted Cruz now, wherever you get your podcasts.
When I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
From Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Listen to Fiasco Benghazi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.