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No Free Lunch - July 26th, Hour 3
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If you want to be a part of the program, uh, we've been spending a lot of time on this program and we've been talking about how bad the economy is and what it means for you, what it means for your family.
And we've gone through a list of people that are suffering, Today was the first bit of bad news that we're we got this week.
Consumer confidence declining now, the third straight month.
We'll find out how much the Fed is gonna raise interest rates tomorrow.
We're expecting uh seven uh.75 basis points, three quarters of a point, in other words.
Uh you know, one thing I pointed out earlier that if you calculated inflation as they as they calculated it in the 1980s, it'd be over 17 percent.
You gotta understand this this is a really important point.
We're at 9.1% consumer price index, the indication of inflation.
Now remember, Biden inherited 1.4% of CPI, and the actual number is much, much higher.
Even President Trump said this in a speech in what did he say out in Arizona.
And on average, now we see a a couple, an average couple paying Biden inflation at the cost of six thousand eight hundred dollars a year.
And if you drive to work, it's about another two thousand dollars a year you're paying in gas because of Joe's energy stupidity and his dumb policies of you know reducing the world supply while demand remains constant or even higher.
But the former president didn't give his own estimate for the true rate of inflation when calculated if you use the same methodology that our government used in the 80s, inflation 17.3%, which would actually be a 75-year high.
Now they're trying to ta change the name, the definition of recession ahead of Thursday's numbers, GDP numbers.
You know, Steve Moore, who's gonna join us in a second, he had a pretty funny list.
I mentioned that in the last half hour.
You know, Democrats have tried to redefine, okay, what a recession is, what the definition of peaceful is, what the definition of a woman is, what the definition of a secure border means, what transitory means, uh, and government they never say they spend money, they're always investing money.
Well, that's investing your money, that's spending, just like invading uh Ukraine.
Well, it's only a if it's only a minor incursion, still an invasion, and you know it's it's kind of like this Alice in Wonderland thinking that they have.
But the bottom line is every aspect of our economy is getting hurt.
The poor, the middle class, people on fixed incomes are getting clobbered.
I went through all those numbers at the beginning of the program.
I'm not gonna do it again.
You know, Joe Biden saying this week we're not gonna see a recession.
I think we're gonna, if uh I'm betting if the Atlanta Fed is predicting negative 1.6% growth for quarter number two, the definition of a recession is very simple.
Two quarters, two consecutive quarters of negative growth.
So if the Atlanta Fed is right, we will be officially in a recession no matter what they say.
So Joe says it's not going to be a recession, and Green Jean-Pierre refuses to give a definition of recession.
Mr. President, we're getting GDP numbers on Thursday.
How worried should Americans be that we could be in a recession?
We're not gonna be in a recession.
Uh in my view, uh we uh the employment rate is still one of the lowest we've had in history to the 3.6 area.
Uh we still find ourselves with people investing.
Uh my hope is we go from this rapid growth to steady growth.
And uh see, we'll see some coming down.
But I don't think we're going to uh God willingly, I don't think we're gonna see a recession.
But based on what the president said earlier, have his economic advisors told him they also don't think a recession is likely.
And what is exactly the White House's definition of a recession?
Again, we don't we don't def I'm not gonna define it from here.
I'm just gonna leave it to the NBER is as we have stated and how they define uh recension recession.
I'm just saying that we're just not going to define it.
We use the indicators that the NBER, uh uh the National National Bureau of Economic Research has has used.
We've mentioned that a few times.
All right, joining us now, Steve Moore was a member of President Trump's economic recovery task force, author of Trumponomics inside the America First Plan to Revive Our Economy, David Bonson back with us, founding managing partner, the Bonson Group, author of There's No Free Lunch, 250 Economic Truths.
Uh thank you both for being with us, Steve.
I I I kind of got a kick out of your list of new definitions for everything, but the reality is two-thirds of Americans are are are gulping water and barely surviving, and it's getting worse for them every day.
Yeah, the inflation numbers are so bad that uh it it almost sounds um insulting to the American people and completely out of touch when the White House says, Oh, things are just fine, we're not really in a recession.
Um when you have eighty percent of Americans who say the economy is headed in the wrong direction, and by the way, Sean, those are worse numbers than they were uh uh uh at the depths of Jimmy Carter's recession.
So that's how Amer Americans understand the uh the ditch that we're in right now.
And I have to say this, uh having worked for Donald Trump uh on the economy, and so I'm a little biased, but I honestly believe, Sean, if we just stuck with the Trump policies, the economy would be booming today.
We wouldn't let me talk about a recession.
Well, you know, we got people go finally going back to work, we got restaurants reopening, we have people going back to the movie theaters.
You know, so there's no reason that we're in this ditch except that Biden changed all the Trump policies that were working, and as you said, the worst was shutting off our energy production.
We wouldn't have to be, by the way, Sean, we wouldn't have to be uh drawing down our reserves right now of of the or selling them to China, which was a really brilliant move to pay back for I guess all the money Hunter made.
But go ahead.
Well, I was just gonna say that we should be producing about three or four million more barrels a day, and we would we would be completely energy independent.
You wouldn't have the problem that Europe has right now, because we could be exporting some of this stuff and we wouldn't be depleting our energy reserve.
I mean, my gosh, hurricane season is coming up.
What if we have a hurricane that knocks out one of our major refineries or one of uh one of our major uh pipelines, then what are we gonna do?
We're we're pretty close to running on empty here, Sean.
Uh it's that serious.
I agree with you.
David uh Bonson, welcome back to you, sir.
Um looking at these numbers, I I I put my money on the Atlanta Fed over Joe Biden, and the fact that they want to change the definition of recession is a little you know appalling to me.
I I f I I find it pretty Orwellian nineteen eighty four-ish, but that's who they are.
Yeah, look, it it's a tricky thing in this sense.
I uh I expect politicians to lie, cheat, steal, and spin.
And you know, the NBR very high expectations, I'll tell you.
Yeah, well, it's uh experience is a great feature.
Um I believe that MBR's definition is a problem.
When they say it's two quarters in a row of contraction along with other, you know, deterioration in wages and employment, they leave it as a gray area, and there's no reason.
These these economists are funny.
They say that economics is math and science and that the central planners can get everything right, but then when it comes to defining recession, all of a sudden they uh re resort to some gray area type definition.
You know, Sean, politically it's irrelevant.
If there's two quarters in a row of a negative GDP print, even with three point six percent unemployment, it's gonna hurt Biden.
That's just not gonna matter.
Well, Lawrence Summer says, unless we have a year at ten percent unemployment, we're not getting out of this fast.
And we're we need multiple years of I want to be clear.
Larry's wrong about that, because Larry is wrong that what you need in inflation area periods is to go attack growth.
What the supply siders of the eighties taught us is that you could actually help the economy to take down inflation.
I agree.
Reagan did it simultaneously, and I was going to make that point.
He created 20 million new jobs, the longest period of peacetime economic growth in history.
So you're you're right on all points.
You know, I'm I'm just looking at the impact.
They're not going to change their energy policy.
So we're going to keep the the world supply, the love of the lifeblood of the world's economy.
Uh we're going to keep it artificially reduced.
Here's my prediction.
Tell me, and I've been saying it for two months now on this program.
Once the housing market really gets impacted here, let's say they go up maybe a full basis point tomorrow, uh, in in the Fed with interest rates.
Okay.
Now we're talking about a 30-year mortgage somewhere close to the seven uh percent mark for a 30-year fixed mortgage.
New home construction, I predict Steve Moore will come to a screeching halt.
Sale of pre-existing homes will stop.
Nobody's gonna want to give up their 2.8% mortgage or their 3.75% mortgage, whatever it happens to be, and nobody's gonna want to pay 7%.
So those sales will come to a screeching halt.
Home values will begin to tank quickly.
And and then we'll really feel the impact even greater because that's all gonna happen in the next six, nine, twelve months.
Well, I hope you're wrong, Sean, but you probably very well may be right.
I'm nervous about that too.
And we saw what happened in two thousand.
What are the odds that I'm right?
Well, you know, those rates are gonna go up, and we're already seeing a little bit of a slowdown in the housing and the housing cost.
Yeah, it's a pretty significant slowdown.
Yeah, so I think that uh and and look, I'll just give you a personal example.
My wife and I looked at our 401k plan.
Don't forget about the stock market.
That's a catastrophe this year as well.
So we lost several hundred thousand dollars, and I'm not rich in our retirement savings.
And so we said, well, at least we got a lot of equity in our house.
But if those home values go down, you know, you're gonna have families like the Moore family that well, what happened to all our money?
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Music All right, more on the economy.
Bad news today, consumer confidence down.
We'll see how many basis points the Fed raises interest rates tomorrow.
And then on Thursday, we'll see if we're in a recession.
The Atlanta Fed is predicting negative growth at 1.6%.
We'll see if they're right, or if Joe Biden's right that we're not gonna hit a recession.
But that would be by definition a recession.
What's gonna happen in your view, David Bonson, to the to the real estate market?
Am I right?
Am I wrong?
Am I in the middle?
Where am I?
Well, I don't want Steve Moore and his wife to feel poor, but I have to say if home prices come down a little bit, I think that might be a good thing because they're in a bubble.
They went up too much too fast.
And I don't think Steve and his wife were really getting richer when the market the housing prices went up twenty-five percent artificially in the last couple of years.
And I don't think it's a good thing.
But by the way, David, I saw I know people that sold their homes in the last year at a massive profit.
Yeah.
And they they cashed out.
They they would put their home up for sale.
They'd have three, four, fifteen offers over asking the same day.
Those days are dead.
They're over.
And they should be dead.
They weren't good, and the Fed created it with artificially low rates.
But here back to my supply side agenda that you both agree with.
Well, our problem is that we are not doing enough to facilitate the building of new houses.
We need to clear the market.
And you have a supply-demand imbalance because the governors like Newsom in California put so many restrictions on building new houses, so many crazy environmental regulations.
That's the way you right size the housing market.
Don't let the Fed manipulate it.
Let's build more.
But David, the problem is is all right.
If you got if you were getting a 3% 30-year fixed mortgage, and now you're going to get a 7% 30-year fixed mortgage, you guys do the math, the half a million dollar home.
How much more per month are you going to be paying just in interest?
It's going to be what?
2,000, a hundred, 1,500.
I know the solution, Sean.
I know the solution is I don't want the fed picking the rate.
It shouldn't be three and it shouldn't be seven.
The buyers and sellers can figure out what the rate should be.
And and seven is too high, that three's too high.
But when has that ever happened in modern history?
That's not the way it works.
Once once the Fed raises interest rates, it's going to go up across the board, is it not?
It's been going up.
I think that mortgage rates are probably going to peak soon, but they're peaking at a level that is very high compared to what people are used to.
I think that the reality is people that need a 2% mortgage to buy a home can't afford the home they're buying.
So they created a bubble.
And now all of a sudden we care about housing prices being too high because people's kids and grandkids, they can't afford to buy a home.
So I I'm just saying that there's two sides to it.
I don't want to be able to do that.
Who's going to want to give up a 3% 30-year mortgage for a 7% 30-year mortgage?
Nobody.
You know, that was a big part of the housing boom and the and the banking boom was the re refinancing.
Nobody's going to refinance at higher interest rates.
I'm worried.
I'm with you, Sean.
I am worried about uh this bubble.
And and you look, David's right.
There's been a bit of a bubble.
But you we've we should have learned from 2006 and 7 and 8 that when the Fed allows these bubbles to to, you know, top, boy, it can cause real pain and suffering.
I mean, remember how banks, big banks, I don't know if you think this could happen, David, but remember the bear Stearns and uh companies like that, really literally 72 hours, they were out of business.
So I I I I hope I'm wrong, but those kind of financial.
I'm not sure that we made that same mistake, and that was lowering the standards for applicants in terms of their ability to get mortgages.
And I have been reading that a lot of banks have actually been preparing for the possibility of a lot of foreclosures, which I hope doesn't happen to anybody.
I don't wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Yeah.
Um let you both go.
Stephen Moore.
Now, by the way, David Bonson has a brand new free introduction to economics class.
What is it online?
Yes, it is.
Online, free.
We want people to learn economics, supply side, the right way, as God understood it to be.
What is the real quick one sentence each?
What do you recommend people do now?
I'm saying save money wherever you can, and if you can bring in extra money, find a way.
What do you say, Steve?
I say continue to work hard.
If you don't have a job, better get one while they're out there.
And I don't think I'd sell the stock market right now because the prices have fallen already so much.
David?
Wake up every day and be as productive as you can be, because that's what God made you to be.
Be productive and it solves a lot of financial problems too.
It does.
Maybe a little maybe instead of working a 40-hour week, join the rest of us.
Work 70, 80, 90 hours.
Um and I know that's people don't like to hear that advice, but that's what I do.
Um anyway, thank you both.
David Bonson, Steve Moore.
I've done that my whole life.
Just keep working, working, working.
Anyway, when I was a contractor, I remember I I would work through the night if I could.
You know, if people would let me stay or if I was working in a commercial facility, I'd stay as long as they let me.
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Uh let's start in Connecticut.
Christine is with us.
Christine, hi.
Welcome to the show.
Glad you called.
Hi, thanks, Sean.
I happen to be a conservative transgender woman, and I hated the idea of that venue that canceled out on Dave Chappelle, forcing him to relocate.
You know, you're you're talking about a comedian, sir.
They entertain, they make jokes about everybody.
It's it's no big deal.
And if our leftist trans activists had a problem with it, don't buy a ticket and just be quiet about it.
Did you watch the Netflix special where he addressed this very specific issue in great detail, great specificity?
A lot of it was funny, but he really dug down deep and really went into the weeds that he doesn't hate anybody.
And I watched it very closely.
I thought it was actually a pretty powerful um segment that he did.
Um and and you're right on that point.
Let me ask you a question.
I am betting that when you tell people that that you're transgender.
I'm betting most people probably don't bat an eyelash.
I think most people, if we really want to cut to the chase, I think we're all wrapped up in our own lives.
Okay, you're a transgender.
That's you're an adult.
You've made your decision based on what you believe is right for you.
And I think that most people probably are pretty accepting of it.
Uh maybe occasionally, you know, you meet some jackass, but they're a jack well, I meet jackasses that hate my guts and they have no problem telling me that they hate my guts.
But um I'm betting that most people are pretty accepting of it and they leave you alone.
Is that right or wrong?
That's that's perfect.
I think ever since Biden took office in right after he uh declared war on fossil fuel, he um started well all the transgender rights, we're gonna do this.
He threw us right into the center ring.
He put the spotlight on us, and that created like, oh, you're you're shoving an agenda down anyone's throat, which we're really not.
We're trying to live our lives quietly.
And then they double down with the social engineered learning with the LGBT issues in school.
I I'm totally against that too.
And then Rachel looked at the case.
I mean, do you do you think it's age appropriate to be talking about gender identity in grade school?
Because I don't know, I I agree with you, sir.
And plus introducing a gender ideology, making think trans is cool.
That's totally not it's totally different from gender dysphoria.
I wouldn't wish gender dysphoria on anyone.
And why aren't we introducing young kids to this?
Uh they're not helping.
Let me ask you one other question.
What do you think about people born biologically as men competing in women's sports like Leah Thompson?
Oh, is it Thompson?
I think it's Thompson.
Leah Thomas.
I happen to be an athlete in my sport.
Pre-transition, I'm probably the most accomplished athlete in the trans community before we transition.
I think something has to be done.
I think um But is it?
For example, Brute when Caitlin Jenner, well, remember when when Caitlin was Bruce, I mean there was no greater athlete in the world.
Yeah.
Uh winning the decathlon.
I mean, he was phenomenal.
She has said to me that I don't really care what your testosterone levels are now.
What were they when you were it going through puberty?
And then she said, I could compete in professional golf tournaments.
Caitlin Jenner loves to play golf, but I drive the ball 285, 290 yards.
Um I would have an advantage because I was biologically born a man.
Do you agree with that?
Because at that point now, Title Nine comes into effect.
Uh taking away opportunities for girls' sports, which Title Nine sought to address.
Um to me, it's not really that complicated.
It I I think it gives an unfair advantage based on what Caitlin has said.
We are seeing in some sports, they make the wait time longer.
In my sport, you now have to send the sport headquarters bowling.
What's your sport?
Bowling.
Really?
You're a good bowler?
I've been on a national championship team.
I'm in four different bowling hall of fames.
That's amazing.
Congratulations.
So but now.
You know, when I was a kid, I used to be a good pitcher, and uh, I used to be a decent bowler.
I I I I can't I throw a gutter ball now.
I can't even throw it anymore because of all my martial arts training and all I bulked up too much.
So where'd you grow up bowling?
I bowl a lot of tournaments in the in that just locally as a kid.
I we used to, you know, at school they'd take us once a week.
Anyway, look, I appreciate your call and more importantly, you know, just common sense.
I I think people get very offended when they feel like that that people with an agenda like for example, there might be parents that have very different views on the issue of of gender identity than you do and how they want to teach their kids.
It's not the school district's responsibility in my view to to do that.
Their job is reading, writing, math, science, computers, and if they want to do classes after school, the kids can opt into talk about these issues.
I'm fine with that.
But don't take away precious education time, especially with our kids failing to meet, you know, basic core standards in most public schools in America.
So anyway, but we appreciate you being out there.
Thanks for your call, Christine.
Thank you.
Uh Brenda in New Mexico is next.
Brenda, how are you?
Glad you called.
I'm good.
Sean, how about yourself?
I'm good, thank you.
I am good.
I I was listening yesterday about Gavin Newsom and and I wanted to just touch base on the apocrisy of his energy.
Um we're contractors, and we recently were working out at a coal powered uh plant, electricity plant.
And I was I was questioning them on where this power was actually going to, and the answer was California.
And I said, Well, I thought we weren't gonna do this in you know, California.
And I found out that they have a 20 year contract with the state of California to get our coal powered electricity to them, which is a very good thing.
Well, I mean, the hypocrisy abounds, right?
But I mean, what choice do they have?
They already have rolling brownouts and bla you know in in California.
And we've not updated our electric grid or added to it because environmental extremists.
You know, one of the most interesting stories today that nobody will pay any attention to that has a lot to do with the economy, has to do with with Vladimir Putin and his policies as it relates to energy with with Western Europe.
And they're now they they have cut back eighty percent.
They have reduced by eighty percent the flow of natural gas into Western Europe.
Now, you would think that that might be a warning sign to America.
Don't give up your energy independence.
Like they mothballed in in Germany, they mothballed all of their coal fire uh uh electric grid and became reliant on a hostile regime, Russia, a hostile actor, Vla Vladimir Putin.
They were did multi-billion dollar deals for natural gas and energy from Putin.
Now Putin is mad that they're supporting Ukraine, and now he's shut off the spigot, and now Germany is scrambling to get an electric grid that they find reliable.
The smart thing would be for us to be providing their natural gas needs, considering we have hundreds of years worth of resources available in this country.
We we are the we are the Middle East of natural gas.
We have so much of it.
You know, we would be able to help them out in their time of need, but unfortunately, new green dealism, climate alarmist cultism won't allow us to do it.
We'd get so rich as a country, we would never have to worry about a recession.
Any American that wanted a high-paying career job would get one.
We wouldn't need any neat new Green Deal and government guaranteed wages because the wages would be high.
But we're too stupid to do it.
We are about to make the same mistake Western Europe made, and that's ju and that's Joe dealing with Iran, Russia, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, OPEC.
We don't need to do business with them.
We've got hundreds of years worth of energy supplies right here in the good old USA.
It's good for national security, it's good for job creation.
It would automatically reduce the price of energy to cook heat and cool your home, the price of the pump, and the price of every item you buy in every store you go to, and it would reduce inflation dramatically.
But they're never going to do that.
For some reason, they've convinced themselves that it's okay if we pay, or the as Pete Buddigit says, you know, the more people pay, the higher the cost, the more benefit.
There's no more benefit here.
There's no benefit at all because they don't have the technology, you know, in the foreseeable future defined by the next decade or two easy to replace the power grid with renewable energy.
So now we're we're all stuck paying the price because of of their adherence to their religious cult.
And we're all paying a big price for it.
But that's the only reason we're suffering because their decision to get off of fossil fuels, but only domestic fossil fuels, not fossil fuels from countries that hate our guts from hostile regimes.
It makes no sense.
And at the same time, while he's overbegging Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and everybody else for oil, he's selling our oil to China.
It's it's unfashionable.
Preserve oil, which is for strategically for emergencies.
I think it was Steve Moore made the point earlier this hour.
What happens if a hurricane knocks out one of our refineries?
We're screwed.
And by the way, we're heading in the hurricane season.
Could happen.
It can happen easily.
You know, we haven't built a refinery in this country in in three decades or more.
And that's another big mistake we've made.
Anyway, Brenda, thank you.
Good call.
Greg in Detroit.
Greg, how are you?
All right, Greg's not there.
Mary in California.
What's up, Mary?
How are you?
Glad you called.
Yeah, hi.
Thanks for taking my call.
I'm calling because I live in Los Angeles, California.
I live under Gavin Newsom.
And I'm calling to warn every American out there that if he becomes president, the crime rate, you will not be able to live in this country.
Let me tell you, not hearsay, but firsthand, what's really happening in Cal in Los Angeles.
I live in Malibu.
I I have three college degrees.
Okay.
My kid was shot in the back.
Okay.
My down the street neighbor, that kid was murdered.
Okay, just in a store.
They are looting all the stores.
San Francisco, Los Angeles, Newport, San Diego.
You can't go to any nice store and just walk in.
Every store has a guard.
Why?
Because they're just throwing hammers through the windows, running in, taking everything.
You can't buy anything out here anymore.
Okay.
Homeless.
Gavin Newsom is 100% responsible for the homeless problem out here.
There are hundreds of thousands of them.
I am very well traveled.
I just came back from Europe.
You America has no idea about the homeless problem here.
They are everywhere.
I I go to DC quite a bit, magnify the homeless problem out of DC by 50,000 times.
And you know why they're not doing the homeless count?
They always use the cover of COVID.
No, they don't want to do the homeless count because there are so many of them.
You go to the beach here now, you see fist fights.
There's no cops.
There's nothing.
Malibu, they took a machete to some poor tourist's ear.
You go down to Venice, there's shootings all the time.
Pacific Palisades, okay, one of the wealthiest neighborhoods, they are actively looting all the stores.
I was in a store, the guy ran in with a gigantic bag, said a bunch of curse words, and then took all the sunglasses off the shelf.
I was sitting there.
This is not hearsay.
I am living proof that if Gavin Newsom becomes president of the United States, it will every single town in this country will become what has become of California.
And then I want to add something.
He just pulled a real fast one.
He just said that now in California, we're going to give health care to undocumented residents.
Okay.
And he's trying to say, well, that's a good thing.
So the hospitals, you know, will be reimbursed through federal and state doll your tax dollars, basically.
Well, it's not a good thing because number one, more will just come.
They don't pay anything into the system.
And then when you turn 50 or 60 and you need the healthcare system, it's not going to be there for you.
Okay.
I want America to really understand something.
They hate your guts.
Come to LA, come to San Francisco, Newport Beach, San Diego, Riverside, Tahoe.
They are smash and grab, and They're not going to do anything about it, and they're not going to do anything about it because it gives them control.
And if that if that, it's not about any other issue.
You can't live somewhere if you're not safe.
Oh, I I you can't say it any better than that.
You cannot pursue happiness if you don't have law and order, safety, security.
It's that simple.
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All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
Uh we have two investigations on Hannity tonight.
Ted Cruz giving us exclusive graphic video detailing a narco-slave trade at our southern borders beyond barbaric.
And Ted Cruz says President Biden is responsible for quote a plague of slavery.
Also, uh Ron Johnson will join us.
Whistleblowers now saying that the Biden FBI and DOJ are burying damning evidence against zero experience Hunter Biden.
We'll look into that.
We'll look at the economy with Steve Moore, Laura Trump, Pam Bondi, Mark Meadows, and Jim Jordan.
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