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Hour two, Sean Hannity Show.
It is primary day.
Um in the great state of North Carolina, Kentucky, Oregon, and the race we're paying the most attention to is in Pennsylvania, especially on the Senate side of that race, where many, oh I think pretty much everybody knows why I'm endorsing Dr. Oz.
Why?
It's simple.
Because uh it's not because I know him.
It's because of my vetting process.
This the same process, probably even harder.
I vetted him harder than I did President Trump.
Many conservatives questioned my my conservative credentials when I did support Donald Trump early and got the crapbeat out of me.
And uh not that different here, but this is what I do.
I owe it to you to tell you what I know to be true.
And after vetting Dr. Oz, he's pro-life, he's pro-second amendment, he's pro-energy independence.
This guy is a fighter.
This guy believes in safe and secure borders, border security, energy independence.
He believes in everything I believe.
Not a single single thing.
When we went down every issue repeatedly, it wasn't one issue I found disagreement with him on.
Not at all.
Now you would now with the ads, 45 million dollars dumped on his head.
You know, I look at the ads and it's like totally different person, unrecognizable to me.
Uh but anyway, so we're watching that race very closely.
It's one of the strangest things in all the years I've been doing this, 35 years on radio and 26 and a half years on Fox.
I don't think I ever saw a candidate that wasn't really particularly polling very well, all of a sudden have a uh just this incredible increase just days out of the election.
And that's the case of Kathy Barnett.
And for the last week, we've reached out to her again and again and again and again and again.
And she only picked up the phone once, and her answer was about one of like dozens and dozens and dozens of really incendiary and and controversial tweets.
That doesn't sound like me.
Were you hacked?
Uh, I don't remember.
I gotta go.
And then never picked up the phone again, then tweets me and says she wants a debate one-on-one with Oz on TV on Monday.
And I'm like, well, first of all, it's it's impossible to prepare for an event like that.
You you need um usually it's months of planning.
I mean, it's not like, oh, let's just show up and have a debate.
No, you gotta have lighting.
You gotta have a location.
Uh, you've gotta have, you know, are we gonna have an audience or not have an audience?
You gotta have cameras and production and everything in between.
You don't just snap your fingers and say, oh, let's have a debate.
Presidential debates, they spend months and months and months and months preparing it.
We're not gonna do a half-assed, you know, cable access channel debate.
I work for the Fox News Channel, number one news network in the country.
So I did offer on Twitter uh if she would accept a debate yesterday if the other candidates would join her, and she never responded.
Then goes on a radio show on WPHT, our affiliate in in Pennsylvania in Philly, and says this morning that I I didn't reach out to her.
We reached out to her repeatedly.
Called her, texted her, texted her, called her, called her, texted her, and then went publicly on Twitter.
No answer.
Uh anyway, so the polling has been uh Emerson has Oz up by five in the last poll.
Susquehanna, I think had him up by two.
Uh Matt Towery is with insider advantage.
He joins us now with Robert Cahale of Trafalgar.
Need I remind both of you, uh all of you that both of them have been accurate in 2016, 2020.
Uh they've been accurate as it relates to the Senate uh runoffs in Georgia.
They they told me in late November there's no way that Republicans are going to win either of those runoff races.
Either of them.
And they turned out to be, unfortunately, right?
And we're here to talk about not only Pennsylvania, but North Carolina, Kentucky, and Oregon, and welcome both of you back to the program.
Thank you.
You're in happy to meet with you.
All right, let's start with you, Matt Towery.
Where do you see this race in Pennsylvania today?
Well, we polled it for the Fox affiliate in Philadelphia about a week and a half ago, and at that point, Oz was um enjoying a slight lead.
Robert actually caught the rise of Barnett um because he polled it more often weeks before that.
We caught the rise of Barnett when we polled, and we saw also that she had moved up very quickly.
She came up primarily um for two reasons, Sean.
One, because uh she had an interesting response to an issue related to her past personal history that struck a court with pro-life voters.
And then you also had a lot of funding come in from what I would consider to be sort of anti-Trump groups that saw the opportunity to push her up and try to put her in in ahead of Dr. Oz simply, I think to despite uh President Trump.
Right now I see the race with Oz having a lead.
It's it's it's not going to be massive.
Barnett has been moving up, but she sort of stalled out the last few days.
And and so we're thinking, my guess would be that you'll see that Trump bump come into place uh that we've thought somewhere between four and six percent that we don't think shows up at the polls.
Robert can tell you more about that and sort of quantified it.
We think when you put that in there, Oz is likely to win, but it's gonna be a very tight race tonight.
And you never know when you're dealing with uh places like Philadelphia and other cities and Pennsylvania just like Georgia and others.
You never know what could happen.
Yeah, yeah, great.
That's always that's always fun news to hear.
Uh your take, Robert Cahaley.
Yeah.
Uh like my um Matt was saying, we actually saw this lady coming on um March 13th, uh with our first polling that we had her in uh third place and barely in third place, just a point out of second.
So I mean this is what happens when two of these VMware these guys just come back and forth with each other with this kind of money, and and she's remains untouched and unscrutinized.
And so what you've seen is uh her she's had a uh meteoric rise uh with nobody really kind of messing with her.
She had a great debate uh the same week as the the leak decision, and here you know here she's talking about her background and uh being born to a mother who's a victim of rape.
I mean, it it was a perfect storm for her to start to ascend.
Uh what did happen though is the two campaigns got together and uh uh both both sides seem to be at uh Oz and McCormick seemed to be uh really putting some heat on her the last few days, and we do see her kind of that momentum has slowed,
uh, but it has been very tight between uh Barnett and Oz the entire weekend uh through yesterday, uh with Oz having the slightest of edges uh and with the possibility of there'll be a little bit of a Trump bump that we think does exist.
Uh I think that plus the edge that Oz has picked up it should be what it takes to keep him ahead.
But it it could very well be tight, and knowing that we could have 150,000 absentees to be counted, depending upon when they count them, depends on when we know something.
Let's let's talk about now the things that have come out in the last seven days as it relates to Kathy Barnett and if she were the nominee.
Do you think Matt Towery she is in any way electable?
Well, you never say never.
Uh I think she is the the least electable of the three candidates who have been buying for that topic.
Well, the least electable by a long shot or l the least electable by just a little.
Uh no, the least electable to the point that it would be very hard to handicap that as being a Republican win in Pennsylvania.
That would sort of be I know it admittedly, you don't know what the other side's going to do.
You got a problem, there's an illness, of course, is one of the things.
Okay, but you read the tweets about Trump, so that's gonna anger Republican voters and Trump supporters.
You've read the tweets.
The the all the incendiary tweets that she ha doesn't recall ever writing.
Go ahead.
Well, my view is that she is the least electable of the three, and in all probability, I would not see a Republican win in the fall if she gets the nomination.
That would be my view.
Robert Cahaley, your thoughts.
I think I think very much the same thing.
I I think we all understand that Pennsylvania is not the kind of place that you want to put a Republican who just barely wins in November.
I think barely winning doesn't mean a lot in Pennsylvania.
You need somebody who can run up the score.
And I do not think she's in that position, nor for that matter do I think Horvick's in that position.
I think Oz's unique appeal to people who do not consider themselves Republicans or Democrats, just kind of people who judge an individual, they built a trust and a relationship with him on television for all these years.
And I think he is in the position to win big enough that it will be hard for that victory not to emerge.
So the William F. Bugley uh Buckley uh adage, if you will, Robert, that you find the most conservative person that can win, and that's who you should support applies here.
Yes, except for in Pennsylvania always say win and win big.
And win and win big, right.
How important uh Matt Towery was Donald Trump's endorsement in this race in your view.
Well, I thought it was critical.
I mean, you know, by the way, how unimportant is my endorsement ever, but go ahead.
Your endorsement's probably obviously it's becoming increasingly important by the day, according to Kathy Barnett.
Um I heard some tape from I'll play it later.
Yeah.
So anyway, uh you know, Trump's endorsement is critical in Pennsylvania because the Dr. Oz, for all the positives that he has, he is entering politics as a brand new candidate coming off a very successful run, of course, on television, so he had that going for him.
But Trump gave Oz sort of the political chops to be able to get into this from the beginning.
And I think it's been critical for Oz in these last few weeks, especially as he's as we've seen first the McCormick group that sort of come after him, and then of course Kathy Barnett makes a surge.
Trump has been I think the major component that has allowed Oz to remain at the level.
and I noticed this from our polling and also from Roberts, Oz never went below a certain level.
He has a ceiling, but he has a floor, and he never goes above that floor, and I expect his ceiling is going to be above what it's been showing in the poll when they're in.
And by the way, that kept him in the lead the entire time.
I've never seen a poll where he wasn't leading.
Yeah, we we haven't had a single poll.
We had a couple of nights where maybe he would slip back and forth.
But uh overall in all the polls, when you got through with it all, uh he was always in the lead.
And I think that was critical um in these last th three month uh three weeks rather of of this race, especially.
Yes.
Well, let's talk about the Trump bump that Matt mentioned, uh, Robert Cahaley.
Yeah, I think what we've determined um and and watching it, uh, you know, that we we found in 2016 what we called silent, uh hidden silent Trump voters.
Uh and these are people who just didn't want to kind of give you the straight scoop where they were in a poll.
What we saw in 2020 is a different phenomenon.
They just decided they didn't want to participate in polls.
They didn't uh they'd seen the polls be ske so skewed, they just figured, hey, it's nobody's business who I'm for.
Uh lots of questions when you call them about, well, what are you gonna do with information you know how how do how do you keep my name out of it?
People just don't want to be doxxed, they don't they don't want to be criticized, and they just want to go about their business.
And so they're gonna show up, they're gonna vote for Trump, and they're really hard to poll because they don't like entering polls.
So I we think that number is between three and um probably four and a half and a Republican primary, a little more in a general election.
I mean, it's I was shocking the number the the bump that that J.D. Vance got in Ohio was incredible.
Uh when we come back, we'll talk a little bit about Kentucky, North Carolina, Oregon, and and any other race that you think is uh interesting or important.
Uh then next week it's gonna be Georgia, and I think Herschel Walker will do well.
Uh not sure what's gonna happen in the Purdue Kemp race.
I think Kemp is up, but there's talk that there might be a runoff.
If that's the case, that would be interesting.
Music All right, as we roll along.
As we uh roll along 800 941 Shauna's her number, you want to be a part of the program on Polsters, Matt Towery, and uh also Robert Cahaley, uh Robert with Trafalgar, Insider Advantage is Matt Towery's group.
Um, all right, in Kentucky, later on, we have Rand Paul at the top of the next hour.
I would imagine he has an easy run.
I don't even know the name of of any primary uh opponents.
Rand is very popular, rightly so in Kentucky.
We're supporting him.
You see any change any issues in Kentucky, either one of you.
None.
None.
I don't see any either, Robert.
That's why I haven't bothered talking about it much.
Uh you know, there's too many races that do matter that are closer.
Sometimes it feels like uh Rand Paul speaking for the entire country, but we know he's speaking for Kentucky.
He'll win easily.
What about Bud in North Carolina?
Looks like he's headed to victory.
Any thoughts on that?
Robert?
Last time we checked him, he was over 50 in North Carolina has a very peculiar rule that you only have to be over 30 to avoid a runoff.
So I think he's gonna clear that bar.
What do you think, Matt uh, Matt Towery?
I totally agree.
Totally agree.
Do you both agree with me on this statement that if Republicans lose Pennsylvania, if they're crazy enough to go with with Kathy Barnett, who's going to get eviscerated in a general election, that the odds of Republican control of the Senate go down dramatically.
You both agree with that statement.
I certainly do.
Uh let me just say this, uh, Sean.
What we have going on right now in these primaries, uh, both in Pennsylvania coming up in Georgia.
You have a very large below the radar screen attempt to try to damage Donald Trump in the 11th hour when he could actually deliver a majority of Republicans for the U.S. Senate.
And for other races as well.
And it's it's it's clear to me.
It's I think it's been clear to Robert, and I don't think it's going to work in Pennsylvania.
Now, when it comes to Georgia and the governor's race, that could be a different matter.
But it's certainly going on.
And that's why you're seeing the surge at the last minute and the money behind Barnett to try to knock off Oz.
Your take, Robert.
What's really fascinating is everyone, you know, the the running line was Trump will probably endorse people who can't win in the fall, and that'll be his legacy.
Well, he's done exactly the opposite in these races.
He's picked people with the best chance to win in the fall, and people who don't seem to care about the fall are willing to beat him at our call.
You know, pretty unbelievable both times.
This never Trumper movement or try and sabotage Trump's primary picks.
Um he made the right call with Oz and PA.
I have and I've made my own vetting on this, and I put my own conservative credentials on the line on this.
But ultimately, it comes down to the voters.
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All right, 25 now to the top of the hour, 800 941 Sean is on number.
All right, so this is from Pennsylvania Live.com.
Penlive.com is the website.
Headline.
Lancaster County reports big mail in ballot problem.
Significant number of the ballots did not scan.
I'm like, you can't make this up.
County Board of Elections were supposed to begin counting mail in ballots at 7 a.m. today, reducing the logjam of vote counting issues when the PA primary election polls close this evening.
But in Lancaster County, and I'm reading directly from Penn Live.com was a big problem.
Upon opening and scanning the first batch of ballots, it became immediately apparent that a significant number of the mail ballots did not scan a county press release stated upon further inspection of the ballots, the county identified the ballots were printed by the mail ballot vendor, NPC, I have no idea who they are, uh, with the wrong ID code.
The error prevents the ballots from being scanned on the county's central scanners.
The county board added there was no way of knowing about the issue before they began opening mail in ballots this morning.
The incorrect printing by the vendor was after the election staff prove approved MPC's test ballots, which had the correct ID code.
The county board statement read, quote, those ballots scanned properly during the county's logic and accuracy test prior to the mailing of any ballots to voters.
Thus there was no way for the county to discover this vendor error prior to 7 a.m. on election day when the law requires mail ballots to be first open.
Despite it all, the election office insisted it would press ahead and count all the ballots, stating in this press release, quote, after conferring with both major political parties, the staff recommended process to correct the issue will involve remarking, remarking, and scanning all affected ballots.
This is the process used in the 2021 primary election when the previous mail ballot vendor printed the ballots incorrectly.
This is insane.
The county board said election integrity remains paramount concern, stating running fair, secure elections is a sacred trust.
The Board of Elections will do everything possible to ensure that this problem is resolved in a transparent, secure way.
Any steps taken to be transparently observed by both major political parties, representatives from the campaigns by the media, the County Board of Election called the press conference for this afternoon to further discuss and explain the mail and ballot issues.
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Jeff Lord is with us, friend of this program for a long time.
McDear personal friend, how are you?
Hello, my friend Sean.
Well, I guess I, you know, I'll tell them I'm 21 and I've never voted.
How's that?
You think they'll buy that?
I don't want to laugh because it's too serious.
You know.
Well, it is.
I you know, I I voted this morning around uh 10 o'clock.
Uh the turnout here in my precinct was fairly light.
Uh that will doubtless increase as the day goes on.
But here's the real problem with this story out of Lancaster County.
And I went to Franklin Marshall College in Lancaster, so I spent a fair share of time there.
Lancaster County, which is fairly good size, is the Republican heartland without question.
Um if if this problem turns out to be unresolved, the people who should be the most nervous about this are all the Republican candidates for both Senator and Governor.
Because if they think that they're going to run away with something or make significant progress by getting Republican votes in Lancaster, which is, of course, totally uh totally normal thing to think, then wow, this this could throw a real monkey wrench in things.
So uh I you know, I it's I would imagine and I I have reached out to to people sources I have on the ground and apparently every campaign has somebody there and they're like apoplectic about it.
Yes.
I'm sure they are.
I'm sure they really can't blame them, right?
I mean, you know, Linda and I both live here in Pennsylvania, Linda and the eastern side and I right here in the middle.
And you know, this this place is just you know consumed with these two elections.
Uh there are signs all over the place, uh yard signs.
I mean just going through my own neighborhood, there are yard signs for every imaginable candidate for senator and governor.
Um people are really tuned into this.
So let me ask you this question.
With the with the sudden rise of uh Barnett in this race and then finding out all these controversial and you know crazy things that she said and tweeted has that knowledge gotten into the Republican primary voter bloodstream that people are very aware of the things that she has said and the things she's tweeted.
I think it may I mean I you know I've moderated two Senate debates and a governor's debate and in each case in the Senate debates she did extremely well she really as a matter of fact at the Pennsylvania leadership conference which is sort of the state version of CPAC she won the straw poll.
This was about a month ago um so she she's very popular.
Now one of the things that I think may backfire on her now is that she has said if she doesn't win she's not going to support the the winner.
Well, you know, I just don't think that's going to go over well with a lot of people.
You know, they want they expect team play here, particularly since this is so important.
And the winner is going to need every last bit of support.
And you think enough people have come to the conclusion that in a general election that that all of this is going to be just they're going to hammer her with all of these comments.
I mean, I'm not sure that they have, Sean.
that this is and and you know you've been talking about this a lot as a matter of fact I heard her on another show today mention you oh actually we have that clip but we're gonna play it later yeah um but uh I'm not sure that this has sunk in with a lot of folks around here at this point.
Um you know I mean Sean it's the if is it sunk into half of the Republican primary voters?
I mean is is it thirty three percent that likely no the the thirty three percent that what you know what percentage of Republican primary voters are going to be fully aware of this unvetted candidate and what she has said and tweeted you know I don't know many Republicans that want a statue for Barack Obama do you?
Yeah no no I mean I think as the the realization dawns of the things she said here the question is has this gotten through and you know it's the same old story Sean every election you you you've got people you know unlike geeks like me that pay attention to this 24-7 you know people are living their lives right they've got kids to feed kids to get to school they've got work etc.
So I mean I talked to uh somebody in a business the other day when I was in there for something and she told me she hadn't even focused on the election on who's on the ballot or what the issues were and this was a couple weeks ago.
Well that's not very listen we live eat and breathe and sleep though so that's not particularly uncommon.
All right any predictions what do you think's gonna happen in the Senate race uh I I would give the edge to Dr. Oz at this point but it's it's only an edge.
I mean listening to your polls and everything.
I mean it's Sean in truth this could go any way.
I think uh I I saw a poll that said that there are about thirty-four percent undecided in the Senate race.
Wow it's gonna get interesting do you think no based on what you know about Kathy that she could win a general election because I think the it's next to nil.
Possible sure anything's possible but the one thing that she might have going for is her presumed opponent John Fetterman.
Yeah that's that's everybody's you know whoever wins this this nomination I would argue short of her would beat her probably pretty easily Yeah, yeah.
I mean, if she were facing Connor Lamb, who's not going to win, the Democratic thing, you know, a moderate Democrat, etc., he he would clobber.
I'm not so sure about John Fetterman because he's got his own problems.
I mean, he's an out and out socialist for one thing.
And uh, you know, he might have some problems.
And again, you know, you I've studied these things.
These red wave elections come along in the first terms of presidents and have since at least Harry Truman.
I mean, I've gone back and taken a serious look at this, and they get clobbered.
You know, slogans from Republicans like Had Enough in 1946 or the Newt Gingrich wave.
I mean, these are not unusual.
What happened to Bill Clinton?
Ronald Reagan got clobbered in 1982.
So there's every reason to expect two things here.
Number one, the pattern will hold, and that Joe Biden will get defeated.
But then two, there's Joe Biden's personal problem situations here with inflation and the economy and Ukraine and a combination of those two can make it deadly for any Democrat.
Jeff Lord, we love you.
Thanks for checking in, giving us an update.
Appreciate it.
Okay, my friend, stay tuned.
Yeah.
Brad in Pennsylvania.
Brad, did you vote today?
Brad, how are you?
Yeah, Sean, sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Can you hear me?
No worries.
What's up?
I can hear you fine.
Yeah, I'm sorry, Sean.
I couldn't vote.
I'm stuck here.
I'm I I'm a truck driver, so I'm stuck.
Uh in a traffic all day.
I just couldn't get um chance to go and vote, man.
But I wanted to really uh thank you for all you do, man.
Seriously.
Um I just have uh I'm very frustrated.
I just have uh uh something to uh tell you, man, like I don't understand that why Ted Cruz and these conservatives can't back Trump.
I just don't understand that.
Why'd he have to go with McCormick?
I I don't get it.
I mean this is why that's what's gonna happen.
I guess I have no idea.
I just I did my own vetting.
I didn't know I've never met Dave McCormick uh until after I long supported Oz.
Uh seemed like a nice guy.
I've I'm if you notice I've never said a bad word about him.
Um but with uh that said, uh putting Cruz out of this, it's not him, but there are groups of people that are now actively undermining every Trump endorsed candidate.
I can tell you that.
We have a bit of a bad connection though, Brad.
God bless you.
Thanks for checking in.
Don Lake Ron Concuma, what's up, big Don?
Welcome on board.
Hey, Sean, great to great to talk to you again.
Yeah, you know, I gotta thank you for uh for giving people giving candidates the your uh podium to to vet themselves.
And uh I enjoyed listening to Dr. Oz.
Uh you know, he dep demonstrates such a confidence to get things done, and uh I can't think of anything bad about him.
Uh and over the years I've seen him on television.
I his uh his record's been very, very good.
Look, he got clobbered with 40 plus million dollars of negative ads, and I didn't recognize the guy that I know.
And you know, you remember because you were with us, and when I first went out early for Trump, I got I was I was getting the crap kicked out of me every day.
Oh, yeah.
And but I stood by my guns because I owe this audience what I know to be true.
And I knew true I knew the truth was Trump would govern as a strong conservative.
Like you've always been fair to whoever wanted to come on your show.
And you reach out.
It's not like you were waiting for that.
All the time.
I would have put Kathy on yesterday.
She was willing to come on.
I would have put her on, and she never got back to us.
She won't return our calls, she won't return our text.
Well, I like Dr. Oz.
I he seems to be pro-energy, pro-life, pro-guns, make America great.
And you know what I uh really enjoyed early on during the pandemic, you had uh Dr. Oz on, not as a candidate, as a doctor.
And he questioned these crazy COVID mandates.
And he questioned the school shutdowns.
He he said uh anecdotally, the only thing we got is HCQ at the time, and he got clobbered for it.
Coming up just for coming on my show, he got the crap kicked out of him, but he wouldn't stop because the health issue meant too much to him, and he knew the reach of this program.
Okay, well, here's here's another attribute that I really admire about him.
He's got courage to keep coming back.
Yeah, that's true.
I can't listen, I can't say it strongly enough.
He is a make America great again, save America, America first conservative.
That's why I s I supported Trump.
It's why I support Dr. Oz in this race.
Uh we love you, Don.
We got a roll.
Uh appreciate the call.
Sharon in Texas, we got a minute for you.
Uh you you get uh the podium.
Go ahead.
Hi, Sean.
I'm in Texas, but I listened to all three candidates.
Um following the Pennsylvania race.
And they were on the um on Clay and Buck show today, preceding your show.
And I heard all three candidates, and I have to say this about Kathy Barnett.
She talks like she has a chip on her shoulder and she doesn't like you.
And she said something like example of one of the things she said.
I was on Sean Hennedy's show seven times before Oz ever showed up.
So she's just got sh her her whole train of thought and rhetoric.
I was on a lot more.
Listen, I liked her when she was on, but I had no idea that she said and tweeted all this crazy crap.
I mean, that in my view in a general election makes her nearly.
It makes it nearly impossible.
We would lose that seat.
I think the odds of us losing that seat would be way too high to risk it.
Because Democrats will take every one of those tweets, every one of those statements, and they will ram, they will, they will pound her with that.
I don't think she's electable.
Yeah.
I mean, if I did, I would say so.
Um not at all.
You're you're right.
You read her right.
She's not elected.
And I don't believe I don't believe the story that, oh, that doesn't sound like me, uh, even though it's on my Twitter feed.
Then why didn't you go to Twitter and say I was hacked?
And then she won't admit that she won't even say she's hacked.
So you just you can't have it both ways here.
There's some level of dishonesty in my eyes.
Um doesn't meet my smell test.
Um, but ultimately, that's up to the people in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Um I strongly recommend Oz, but you will decide, and you will get the government you deserve.
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