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Now, all this money from the NIH to the Eco Alliance to the funding of the Wuhan uh Virology Lab, uh, where we all knew the world knew that they did coronavirus research, and they did gain a function research.
This is not at all a surprise to anybody.
Now, Richard uh Ebright, the NIH corrects untruthful assertions by the NIH director Collins uh and Dr. Fauci that the NIH had not funded gain of function research in Wuhan.
Now, between the emails of Dr. Fauci and of course we had the leak of what was it, nine hundred documents released by the Intercept.
Uh, we already determined that Fauci was lying and that Rand Paul was the guy that was telling us the truth.
But let's take you back and remind you of this exchange between Fauci and Rand Paul.
Will you in front of this group categorically say that the COVID-19 could not have occurred through serial passage in a laboratory?
I do not have any accounting Of what the Chinese may have done, and I'm fully in favor of any further investigation of what went on in China.
However, I will repeat again the NIH and NIAD categorically has not funded gain of function research to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
We have 11 labs doing it, and you have allowed it here.
We have a committee to do it, but the committee is granted every exemption.
You're you're fooling with Mother Nature here.
You're allowing superviruses to be created with a 15% mortality.
It's very dangerous.
And it was a huge mistake to share this with China, and it's a huge mistake to allow this to continue in the United States.
And we should be very careful to investigate where this virus came from.
I fully agree that you should investigate where the virus came from, but again, we have not funded gain of function research on this virus in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
No matter how much parsing words, your party say it, there was research.
There was research done with Dr. Xi and Dr. Barak.
They have collaborated on gain of function research where they enhanced the SARS virus to infect human airway cells, and they did it by merging a new spike protein on it.
That is gain of function.
That was joint research between the Wuhan Institute and Dr. Barrick.
You can't deny it.
I totally resent the lie that you are now propagating, Senator, because if you look at the viruses that were used in the experiments that were given in the annual reports that were published in the literature, it is molecularly impossible.
No one's saying those viruses caused it.
It is molecularly virus caused the pandemic.
What we're alleging is that gain of function research was going on in that lab and NIH funded it.
That is not away from it.
It meets your definition, and you are obfuscating the truth.
Let me just finish.
I want everyone to understand that if you look at those viruses, and that's judged by qualified virologists and evolutionary biologists.
Those viruses are molecularly impossible to resolve.
We're saying they are gain of function viruses because they're animal viruses that became more transmissible and human, and you funded it.
And you admit the truth.
And you are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individual.
I totally resent that.
And if anybody is lying here, Senator, it is you.
Now we have a Freedom of Information Act reveal that in fact Fauci and the NIH, in fact, funded this uh this gain of function research at the Wuhan Virology Lab.
We have more than 900 pages of documents released now, detail how the U.S. funded the research by Eco Health Alliance.
That's your tax dollars funded through the NIH on several types of coronaviruses at this very virology lab in the Wuhan Institute.
And the Intercept first reported the documents describe the work of this group.
They subcontract the money out to Eco Health Alliance.
That's a health organization in the U.S., and they use the funding to conduct research at this particular lab.
Now these documents were released following an ongoing Freedom of Information Act litigation by the Intercept against the NIH.
And basically, we now have a roadmap uh to the high-risk research that led to the origins of this coronavirus.
And the grant provided the Eco Health Alliance was a whopping 3.1 million dollars, including 599,000 that the Wuhan Virology Lab used to identify and alter bat coronaviruses to infect humans.
That grant proposal even warned of the potential dangers associated with experiments like this.
Quote, field work involves the highest risk of exposure to SARS and other COVID S coves, COVID, meaning coronaviruses, while working in caves with high bat density overhead and the potential for fecal dust to be inhaled.
In other words, let me say it this way.
I told you so, doesn't even begin to cover it here, and that's the tweet from Senator Rampola, Kentucky, who joins us now.
Senator, you were more right, I think, than you even knew at the time.
Yeah, Sean.
And here's the the real dagger in the heart for these people.
The NIH now is saying, yes, eco-health did do gain of function.
Viruses that were unknown bad viruses were taken from caves, merged together with SARS virus, another coronavirus, and they did come out more deadly.
Not only did they do this research, they then didn't report it.
And I think NAIH is trying to shift the buck here a little bit.
They're trying to say, well, maybe eco health is now going to be thrown under the bus and NIH didn't know about this.
But the letter is still confusing in the sense that it says, oh, this was an unexpected or an inadvertent thing.
There's no truth to that.
If you take an unknown virus and you combine it with the SARS virus, you don't know if it's going to be more or less it's unknown, but it's not unexpected.
In fact, it's a crapshoot.
Uh you you combine a virus and you find out if it infects self-more.
That's what they're studying.
Is is does it have gain of function or not?
And so sometimes it does.
But to say this is unexpected, therefore it's not gain of function research, is this sort of parsing of words.
You're being too kind.
It's not parsing words.
It's outright lying.
Because this is what we now know.
Remember that January 31st email to Fauci that says one of the genomes, as they're breaking down the sequence of COVID-19, they stated emphatically, looked like it was manipulated by human beings.
That's gain of function.
Now, this is the same Dr. Fauci in 2012 that said even if it caused a worldwide pandemic, he still supports research into gain of function with these viruses, which is insanity.
And why one red cent from America went to this lab in China, in Wuhan, is beyond any comprehension I have, Senator.
Yeah, and this is the thing.
When you when you look at this, this is the philosophy of collectivism.
The individuals don't matter, even if five million people have died to Fauci, it's the collective that matters, and he thinks the collective wisdom of gain of function research is worth it, even if you have a pandemic.
But that's a very much a heartless sort of, you know, who were other collectivists who thought a few people in experimentation might might not be, you know, too big a deal.
Well, we know them.
They were the totalitarian uh, you know, tyrants of the twentieth century.
So, yeah, we have to be alarmed that this guy still leads the country.
He's been asked uh, you know, firsthand in the last month, do you still trust the Chinese?
It's yes.
Should we still be funding y research in China?
Yes.
Right now, this Eco Health Alliance that's been lying to government, apparently according to the NIH, is still got a five year contract.
There's a twenty a a contract.
A five year contract.
You mean we're gonna continue to give money to the communist Chinese over this when they should be paying us trillions of dollars after what they did to us and the entire world?
My understanding is their contract, eco health contract with the Wuhan Institute goes through twenty twenty-five, and there was an interruption, President Trump stopped it.
Dr. Fauci got it started again, and my understanding is that money is still flowing from the U.S. taxpayer to Wuhan.
Uh it's it's incomprehensible to me, Senator.
It really is.
First, I'm glad you're right.
Now, let's take it a little bit further.
Who is this micro uh molecular biologist, Richard uh Ebright, do you know him?
I know I know him and have communicated with him.
He has been fighting this battle long before it became politicized.
He was worried about this from a purely scientific point of view.
He's not a partisan.
He, you know, is you know, he just not he's in this because of the science and because he's worried that we could get pandemics that would leak from the lab.
And I think he told me he he'd been involved since two thousand and five with this.
Um but there's also another famous scientist, his name is Kevin Esfelt from MIT.
He wrote an op ed in the Washington Post in the last two weeks, and he said that this type of research uh risks the very foundation of civilization.
He thinks there could be a civilization threatening pandemic if a virus gets out that has like a fifty percent mortality or a seventy-five percent mortality.
He thinks we shouldn't be doing this.
And this is a scientist that invented the CRISPR technology for gene therapy to try to cure genetic disease.
So this is, you know, a guy that is uh in the world's elite with regard to genetics and recombinant genetics, and he wrote an op-ed saying we should do it, and guess what?
Not one Democrat on Capitol Hill will let me have an investigative hearing.
We have been denied hearings by Patty Murray and the health committee, we've been denied hearings by Gary uh Peters in the Homeland Security.
Two committees I sit on that should be investigating this, no investigations being done.
Well, that's what's m that's what makes this election in twenty twenty two even even that much more important here.
Uh, but the reality is is that Fauci lied, and we have the evidence that he knew that what was going on with the Eco Alliance, uh, and he knew that gain of function research was happening on coronaviruses, and we knew that they knew the entire time, which means when he testified back in May to your committee and you had that exchange with him that he lied to you.
Now, uh Roger Stone, if you might recall, I'll use him as but one example, you know, pre-dawn raid, uh, guns drawn, frogman in the backyard, fake news CNN cameras for the crime of quote, lying to Congress.
Wasn't that the crime that they were charging him with?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, and I think that's the definition of injustice.
When one party is treated one way, when Republicans are conservatives are treated with uh the full, you know, brunt force of government police, and then if you're a Democrat, nothing happens to you.
So, you know, I've referred Dr. Fauci to the Department of Justice because he did lie, he's committed a crime.
I think what's come out from the NIH today is further proof that he lied, and we will confront him with this.
He's coming back to our committee in the next couple of weeks.
We will confront him.
And the thing is is we have at the very least allowed the American public to see that he has a self-interest in covering this up, because if any of this attaches to him and the NIH any responsibility for the pandemic, you can see there's a great deal of moral culpability that attaches to five million people dying worldwide from research that he's been supporting.
It's just an unbelievable thing.
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Is there anything, any recourse the United States has to go and and get the compensation to every every country, every American in particular, that suffered because of what they did to the world unleashing this virus and then lying about it.
The greatest evidence I think we have, Senator, is that there was another travel ban that nobody ever wants to talk about.
And that was the Chinese government's travel ban that people in other parts of China were forbidden to travel to Wuhan.
And if you were in Wuhan, you couldn't travel to any other part of China, which pretty much tells a tells the entire story here.
And meanwhile, you could leave Wuhan and go to anywhere else in the world.
So they didn't care about the world, they just cared about China.
I think this should be part of every trade negotiation, every United Nations discussion.
The UN's largely effectless because China can simply veto things that occur in the Security Council.
But this affected the whole world.
Five million people have died worldwide.
I think most people in the world now believe that China led a cover up.
They got rid of their database.
The virus database disappeared from the Internet.
They uh have obscured the fact that people were sick with that research facility with COVID-like symptoms.
So I think the whole world, if it were a unified, could punish a China.
The United States alone, we have a tough time doing it, but it should be part of trade negotiations, should be part of every negotiation we have with them.
And for goodness sakes, at the very least, we should stop funding their lab.
I mean, I introduced an amendment and it passed unanimously, but it's never become law because the uh House of Representatives never took up the bill.
Unbelievable.
Uh let me ask you this.
Do you believe you know Joe Manchin pretty well?
Do you believe Joe Manchin, do you believe Chris and Cinema are going to hold the line on this three point five trillion dollar bill, which I guess now is uh uh turned into a one point seven or one point nine trillion dollar bill?
Do you believe they'll stay strong on the issue of uh keeping the filibuster?
Uh or do you think they'll try and get rid of it?
And and what other power grabs do you potentially see?
I think they're sincere, and I know what it likes to stand up to people in your own party and to stand up against uh majority.
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Now I'm not promising you that the end result that they vote for is going to be a whole lot better.
It's going to be less evil, but it's still going to be bad for the country.
Whether we borrow two trillion or three and a half trillion, even if they whittle it down to two trillion, my guess is they do it by not counting the out years.
So instead of a ten year bill, we're gonna have a two-year bill that cost looks like it cost less, but over ten, it's still gonna cost the same.
And if you put in these permanent free stuff, free college, free daycare, free cell phones, all the free stuff they're offering, once that becomes permanent, it becomes part of the mandatory spending.
Um Congress never ever does anything to rein it in.
So I I truly think this is a really bad bill, whether it's two trillion or three and a half.
But I do I do commend them for at least standing up, you know, against uh the really strong pool of the socialist wing of their party.
Pretty unbelievable times we're we're living in Senator Rampall, Kentucky.
Great job.
You're right, Fauci lied.
Uh I wished I wish we he would get the proper justice, which would be would be being fired, but I don't see that coming.
Anyway, appreciate you being with us 800 nine four one Sean.
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As we continue with Kentucky, Senator Rampall, is there anything, any recourse the United States has to go and and get the compensation to every every country, every American in particular that suffered because of what they did to the world unleashing this virus and then lying about it.
The greatest evidence I think we have, Senator, is that there was another travel ban that nobody ever wants to talk about.
And that was the Chinese government's travel ban that people in other parts of China were forbidden to travel to Wuhan, and if you were in Wuhan, you couldn't travel to any other part of China, which pretty much tells a tells the entire story here.
And meanwhile, you could leave Wuhan and go to anywhere else in the world.
So they didn't care about the world, they just cared about China.
I think this should be part of every trade negotiation, every United Nations discussion.
The UN's largely effectless because China can simply veto things that occur in the Security Council.
But this affected the whole world.
Five million people have died worldwide.
I think most people in the world now believe that China led a cover up, they got rid of their database, the virus database disappeared from the internet.
They uh have obscured the fact that people were sick with that research facility with COVID-like symptoms.
So I think the whole world, if it were a unified, could punish a China.
The United States alone, we have a tough time doing it, but it should be part of trade negotiations, should be part of every negotiation we have with them.
And for goodness sakes, at the very least, we should stop funding their lab.
I mean, I introduced an amendment and it passed unanimously, but it's never become law because the uh House of Representatives never took up the bill.
Unbelievable.
Uh let me ask you this.
Do you believe you know Joe Manchin pretty well?
Do you believe Joe Manchin, do you believe Chris and Cinema are gonna hold the line on this three point five trillion dollar bill, which I guess now is uh uh turned into a one point seven or one point nine trillion dollar bill.
Do you believe they'll stay strong on the issue of uh keeping the filibuster?
Uh, or do you think they'll try and get rid of it?
And and what other power grabs do you potentially see?
I think they're sincere, and I know what it likes to stand up to people in your own party and to stand up against uh majority.
So I think they are showing some courage.
Now, I'm not promising you that the end result that they vote for is going to be a whole lot better.
It's gonna be less evil, but it's still going to be bad for the country, whether we borrow two trillion or three and a half trillion, even if they whittle it down to two trillion, my guess is they do it by not counting the out years.
So instead of a 10-year bill, we're gonna have a two-year bill.
The cost looks like it cost less, but over 10, it's still gonna cost the same.
And if you put in these permanent free stuff, pre-college, free daycare, free cell phones, all the free stuff they're offering.
Once that becomes permanent, it becomes part of the mandatory spending.
Um, Congress never ever does anything to rein it in.
So I I truly think this is a really bad bill, whether it's two trillion or three and a half.
But I do I do commend them for at least standing up, you know, against uh the really strong pool of the socialist wing of their party.
Pretty unbelievable times we're we're living in Senator Rampall, Kentucky.
Great job.
You're right.
Fauci lied.
Uh I wished I wish we he would get the proper justice, which would be would be being fired, but I don't see that coming.
Anyway, appreciate you being with us, 800-941.
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You know, it it's interesting.
Whether you disagree or disagree, it's not even a debate anymore about vax or don't fax.
It's not because they made up their mind.
And so at this point is is there another solution that we can save people from losing their careers and their jobs and their benefits and their pensions.
Uh I'm looking at the human side.
You know, I don't listen, I get a flu shot every year.
And people, half my friends think I'm nuts.
Linda thinks I'm nuts, and then uh the other half of my friends think they they do the same thing.
But you have these discussions.
I don't know why people make the decisions they make, but clearly nobody's gonna be able to convince them at this point.
I don't believe everything that can be said's been said.
Well, that is that is correct.
And at the end of the day, the harder the government tries to force feed people and can cattle prod them into a decision that they're not comfortable with, the stiffer their necks are gonna get.
And this this comes down to individual freedom.
Listen, Sean, we know that vaccinated people can still catch the virus and they can still spread the virus.
What that's been established.
We know these things.
So people take all of it into account and they make up their own decision.
But I like saying this.
Sean, there's a million people a weekend cramming into college football stadiums, and they're not wearing masks, and they're not having to show vax papers, and they're not having to take a PCR test before they walk in.
But the police have to, and the nurses have to.
They they weren't vaccinated last year when they were out being the heroes.
So it's uh it's all nonsense and it's and it's hypocrisy, and it is causing major division in this country, and it's not gonna end well if somebody doesn't pull the ripcord and allow people to be free again.
John Rich, we appreciate you being with us.
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