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How are you, sir?
I'm uh busy just like you.
I'm not around a country.
I know you're down in Florida for the Patriot Awards.
I'm down in the Florida for the Patriot Awards.
I'm honored to be here, and the whole team is here, and uh we're all ready to have a good time and honor people that deserve to be honored.
I'm getting an award, right?
No, you're not.
I'm not.
No, why would you think you're getting an award?
Because I'm a patriot.
Okay.
All right.
We're talking about patriots that go above and beyond the line of duty.
Why does everything have to go back to you?
That's not that makes your life complicated.
All right.
Let me go to the written house thing.
And I want to go specifically at this idiot prosecutor in this case.
I I don't know how much of this that you watch.
I don't know if you saw the moment where Binger literally picks up an AR-15, he has his finger on the trigger, and he aims the rifle in the courtroom at people in the courtroom.
Then he goes even further using an image from Patrick Swayze's 1989 film Roadhouse.
Then you you're getting lectures.
Oh, uh, everybody needs to take a beating uh at some time, and Kyle Rittenhouse was too cowardly to use his fists.
Now, I'm listening to this and I'm thinking, you're really desperate if that's what you're saying.
But with that said, we're in day two, and of course, we are awaiting a verdict, and I do not believe the prosecution made their case.
I think by the the law of Wisconsin, Kyle Rittenhouse was within his rights to defend himself as evidenced by him running away, by him having a loaded weapon pointed at him and somebody grabbing the barrel of a gun.
You have videotape evidence, you have eyewitness testimony.
Your thoughts.
Look, this is not a difficult case to find out if this man intentionally committed murder.
Rittenhouse.
He clearly did not.
And there isn't anybody who's honest that would say he did.
But when you have these political cases, and you know that's what this is, the media comes on in.
They want Kyle Rittenhouse to be convicted.
They want his life to be ruined.
They don't care about events leading up to what happened.
They don't care that Rittenhouse himself might have been killed by the guy who pointed a gun in his face.
They don't care.
It's all about progressive racial politics.
And that's the country in which we live.
I'll never get credit, but I was in Atlanta when Richard Jewell, uh the Atlanta Journal Constitution comes out with uh an addition that says fits the profile of the lone bomber because he lives with his mother.
And I was the only person that said, because he lives with his mother, doesn't mean a thing.
It doesn't mean he's a terrorist.
It turned out I was right.
It also turned out Richard Jewell was listening to me say those words.
And I got the first interview with Richard Jewell at the time.
Now, if you go to Duke LaCrosse, if you go to Ferguson, Missouri, if you go to Trayvon and George Zimmerman, if you go to UVA, if you go to Freddie Graham Baltimore, if you go to the Cambridge Police Bill, and then you can add on top of that, the Russia collusion hoax, every single time the media does not allow due process.
I'll add Justice Kavanaugh and Justice Clarence Thomas to the list.
They don't allow the presumption of innocence.
They create an expectation of a result that's never going to come when the actual evidence comes out.
And I end up being right because I actually don't make a determination until I meet with the families in the for example in the Duke LaCrosse case, or have sources on the ground in Ferguson telling me we have more eyewitnesses that will corroborate the story of Darren Wilson.
They don't do their job, Bill.
It's not it's not an accident that I always end up being right, and you always end up being right.
We do our homework.
The tragedy of all this dis in, you know, just putting the loss of life aside, of course, that's tragic, is that many Americans still believe in the justice system.
And the justice system has collapsed.
And particularly in big cities across the country where you can hurt people.
I mean, the guy in New York City, you know the story.
The guy stabs one cop, hits another cop in the head with a safe, and the judge lets him out with no bail.
I mean, think back ten years ago.
That could never have happened.
Never.
And I didn't see outside of the New York Post a lot of outrage from the local media in New York, because they're scared.
They don't want to be pillared on uh the tweeting and they don't want to be singled out and they they want to play it safe.
But when you have a criminal justice system that's basically collapsed in a nation of 335 million people, that's dangerous for all of us.
What do you make?
How much pressure do you believe this jury is feeling?
Because there are people outside the courtroom, uh outside the courthouse, I should say, where the deliberations are ongoing.
If Kenosha don't get it, shut it down.
They know what happened in the past.
They know the unrest that happened in their city.
How much pressure do you think this jury feels, and more importantly, do you believe this can influence the jury in their decision making?
Well, the last line of defense is the jury, and we saw that collapse in the O.J. Simpson case.
Um, so if a guilty plea comes back, I'm not going to be a hundred percent shocked because people are subject to pressure from the people they live near.
And there is a hardcore cadre run by Black Lives Matter in Kenosha that wants Kyle Rittenhouse to be convicted.
So that's a reality.
Now, whether or not the jury will stand up to that and just say, no, the evidence is beyond any reasonable doubt, he's not guilty.
I just don't know because of the Simpson case.
And and I'm when I saw that.
But don't you think the Simpson case was a little unique in as much as I would argue that was a case of jury nullification?
No, it was a race play.
And it would but that would be that would that by definition is jury nullification.
But when I was out there reporting on it.
By the way, word of the day, jury nullification.
I'm just teasing Belkvin.
Very impressive, Hannah.
You know, you're very impressed linguist.
When I was there I'm just learning from the best, Bill.
Thank you.
When I was there reporting on Simpson, I I had the opportunity to ask the jurors after they acquitted Simpson, what was the one piece of hard evidence that you used to make your decision that couldn't do it?
And I don't think to this day, any of the jurors on the Simpson trial have articulated why they let Simpson go when the evidence was overwhelming.
I agree the evidence was overwhelming, but there was one huge mistake, and I did not think that the prosecution did a particularly good job in that case.
And I do believe the attorneys for O.J. Simpson did a better job.
And the moment when he put on the glove, and if it don't uh it don't fit, you must acquit.
That moment was very profound, and that was a mistake.
Now, it turns out apparently, according to analysis afterwards, that you know, gloves have a tendency to shrink if they they're wet or whatever.
But but that moment was pretty profound, and I think gave an opening for the not guilty plea.
Now, do I think he was guilty as hell?
Uh, yeah.
I think he's still out there on the golf course looking for the killers right now.
So what we have in America is a jury system driven primarily by emotion.
And there's a lot of emotion in Kenosha.
And those people there, they're afraid.
They are afraid.
Now, I don't believe they're gonna convict Rittenhouse.
I think in the end they'll acquit him.
But I know they're afraid.
In let's look at the three cases.
Immediately when the lead star witness for the prosecution admits he pointed a loaded gun at Kyle Rittenhouse before Kyle Rittenhouse shot him.
Okay, we can we can put that charge aside.
Then you've got an example, and I was kind of shocked that the judge allowed this provocation lifeline uh to be thrown out to the prosecution in the last moments of this case here.
That in other words, you lose the right to self-defense if you provoke the incident in the first place.
Now you regain the right to self-defense if in fact you try to remove yourself from the situation.
When we see the video and then couple that with the eyewitness testimony of Kyle Rittenhouse running away from a group of people what look like a mob to me, and then they actually get him on the ground and you have that still store shot of this guy with his foot ready to pound it right into his face into the pavement, which could cause seriously serious bodily harm or death.
That defines the that that that is by definition a right to self-defense moment.
And then in the third case, you got this guy holding on to the barrel of Kyle Rittenhouse's gun.
That too would represent a not uh a not guilty uh verdict because again, it's self-defense as the laws written in Wisconsin.
Well, let's hope that the jury um puts a motion aside and summons the courage to do what everybody has seen.
I think if you took a poll tomorrow, among all Americans who are following this case, 80 percent eighty would say not guilty.
I think you're probably right.
I think that's an accurate number.
Now the question is what happens if a not guilty verdict across the board comes in.
You see people gathering outside the courtroom, you see agitators ready to agitate, uh people with political agendas.
We had 530, what, four or five riots in the summer of 2020?
Interesting, we don't have a congressional committee for that.
We don't get lectures on the Constitution and the rule of law for from Liz Cheney.
Uh, there's not a single commission or committee investigating.
We we lost dozens of Americans, thousands of cops were injured, Bill.
How come we only how come Washington only cares about the one riot which we condemned and not all the riots that took place in the summer of 2020?
They feared the Washington Post and the New York Times and the corporate network news press.
They fear those people.
No, we're in trouble in this country, Anthony, because you have a collapsing justice system where in cities like New York and Chicago and LA and San Francisco, people can hurt you and nothing will happen to them.
Nope.
You have then anarchy.
And there is no move that I can see of from the Justice Department.
And you ask what will happen.
The National Guard is there, and that of course is big.
And I don't think the National Guard are gonna step aside to allow lawless behavior.
I think they'll clamp it down hard.
All right, quick break.
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What do you think of the it's been what since the last time somebody was actually brought into court over a contempt of Congress charge was 1983?
People like Henry Kissinger, who we both know, Janet Reno, Harriet Myers, Josh Bolton, Eric Holder, Lois Lerner, Brian Pagliano, Bill Barr, Chad Wolf, they were all also held in contempt of Congress.
It doesn't matter what your feelings about Steve Bannon are.
Why do we have a selective justice system, a dual justice system?
That doesn't sound like equal justice and equal application of our laws to me.
It's not.
Um with Mr. Bannon, he goaded the Congressional Committee.
All he had to do was walk in and take the fifth.
He didn't want to do that.
He wanted to make a display of defiance.
Now the only guy that you referred to is G. Gordon Liddy, the Watergate burglar who did the same thing.
He basically said, I'm not answering any questions.
I'm not coming before your stupid committee, and I don't care what you do to me, and he served time.
Other than that, in our lifetime, there hasn't been anybody charged with a federal crime of contempt of Congress and actually arrested and arraigned.
So is it political?
Sure.
There shouldn't even be a January 6th investigation in the House.
Why are we bothering?
You want an investigation?
Appoint a special counsel from the Justice Department.
Go on in and do it that way.
Why are you doing a partisan investigation in the House?
What good is that?
They have a predetermined outcome.
You know it, I know it.
Everybody listening to us now knows it.
That's why they kicked off Jim Jordan and Jim Banks.
Um, by the way, um, I want to give a quick plug.
I think I'm gonna make it to your Tampa show.
You're doing four shows around the country with President Trump.
I'm trying to work out my schedule.
You'll be lonely because the show is in Orlando.
So I I will give you directly.
You're such a jackass.
I'm trying to be nice.
And and by the way, and you I know you've sold over 30 some odd thousand tickets, um, but there are some tickets available.
They're very big venues, and it's just gonna be you and Trump, and it's gonna be about the history of his presidency and the impact of it, and uh, we'll see what happens.
And I hope you'll introduce us in Orlando on uh Well, why I get paid to do things like that, Bill.
I don't do those things for free.
We have money.
We've sold more than 30,000 tickets.
That's true, you do.
You get free snacks backstage.
And I get free just bring the Tito's vodka.
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Hey, uh, ladies and gentlemen, it's sick.
And it's getting sicker.
Now, back to the Sean Hannity show.
Man, it's sick and it's getting sicker.
800 941 Sean, you want to be a part of the program.
We're down in Florida.
I it seems like I think I had originally been planned, I don't want to say who, but I was very honored to be asked to give one of the Patriot Awards to somebody that I really admire.
I'll tell you tomorrow who it was.
I don't know if they know if they're getting it.
That's the problem.
So I don't want to break the can't they watch?
We can tell people to watch.
Yeah, they can, but you know, I'll probably I will be live doing Hannity because of what's going on in Wisconsin.
So I'll probably miss most of it.
And my son and his friends are coming down here, which will be pretty cool.
Well, you why are you smiling?
I listen, I love when your family's around.
I think it's a wonderful thing.
You know, it's I rarely talk about them.
But it's fun.
It's fun to see you guys together, and he's a grown-up now.
I've known him since he was about eight.
Thank God.
The more he grows up, the better it gets for my life.
Yes.
100%.
He's a hard working capitalist.
He's doing great.
I'm I'm proud of him, but I say that with my fingers crossed.
I think you got everything crossed, actually.
Every every look.
He's he's a great kid.
I'm very blessed.
But um anyway, so he's I don't know, he's gonna have to decide to watch dad, which he can do every night anyway, or watch the awards.
I think he'll choose the awards.
Well, I think he's gonna be in there, so he'll probably watch the awards.
Yeah, I think so.
It's gonna be super fun.
Uh, are you going, by the way?
I don't know.
Am I going?
I don't know.
You're welcome.
Well, I'm wearing my uniform, jeans, a blue shirt and a jacket.
Yeah, my uniform.
Are you gonna wear a tie?
No, hell no.
Why?
I'm not wearing a tie.
He looks so nice.
Anytime I'm out of the studio, I don't wear a tie.
Is that right?
I don't I wear a tie literally for sixty-one minutes on any given day.
Do you know that do you know how to tie a tie?
I tie my own tie every night.
I do.
Do you make a Windsor or a regular?
A regular.
Okay, I'm just asking.
Oh my God.
I don't know all the answers.
Uh most of the time I do.
All right.
Anyway, we're uh on jury verdict watch.
800 941 Shauna's on number.
You want to be a part of the program.
Uh Brad is in South Carolina.
Brad, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Thank you, sir.
My comment is I I won't hope the board comes out instant.
And that's what he is.
He's a kid.
I got a couple questions.
You know who's really at fault for this?
Is the law enforcement.
In that town, I'm a 22-year law enforcement veteran and U.S. Marine Corps veteran.
And I'm telling you, that stuff would have never gone down in the county where our sheriff is now, Spartan County.
We wouldn't have put up with that.
Sparmer County wouldn't have put up.
You're talking about the initial rioting that took place in Kenosha, correct?
Yeah, I see police vehicles there and people pushing trash cans down the street.
That would have never flew.
And two, my other point is I can't believe a 17-year-old kid would even go down there whether he was asked, hired or anything.
Felt like he could have made a difference.
And taking a take a uh I don't I don't disagree with you on this point.
Now, maybe he had all the altruistic motives in the world, but when, you know, uh Adam Schiff is about to hit the fan, I don't think you should be there or put yourself in a position, knowing what we had known in the summer of 2020 in the 530 some odd riots that Liz Cheney and and the rest of the committee of January 6th don't seem to care about when we lost dozens of people and thousands of cops injured.
Bricks, rocks, bottles, Molotov, cocktails, and worse.
So, well, first, thank you for serving your country, Semperfy.
Thanks for your service and law enforcement.
Um but with that said, we don't we're now at a point where uh most cops in most cities don't feel that they have the backing to do their job.
How do I know?
Because I have a lot of friends that are policemen and police women, and my family is in law enforcement, and they feel that it's open season on them.
You have seen all the videos.
You have seen cops literally confronted by anarchists, you know, busting the burning their cars, uh, assaulting cops, throwing fluids all over them, buckets of Water even and getting away with all of it.
You know, with all the talk about all the people involved in January 6th, okay, I don't support rioting.
If you don't obey the law, you should there should be a punishment.
But the punishment should also be applied to the people that were rioting and looting and involved in arson and taking over city blocks and burning down police precincts.
Uh we should have equal application of the law in those cases, and nobody wants to talk about that.
The only reason we talk about one riot and not all the riots is because the one riot they want to talk about, they feel they can bludgeon Donald Trump one more time.
That's what Liz Cheney's motivation is.
Otherwise, Liz would be leading the effort to form a committee to look into the five hundred and thirty-five riots.
So to me, you know, this is a predetermined outcome, sham committee, and it's not worth uh the paper it's gonna end up being printed on.
They already wrote it.
Right.
Second point is did his parents know that he was going down there?
I think so.
I interviewed his mom, she was a lovely lady, and her answer was that this is who this kid is, that he genuinely has a calling of desire to help people.
Um I don't doubt that at all.
Apparently he did help some people.
Uh in each instance though, you know, for whatever reason he's there, whether it was a good decision or a bad decision, that's irrelevant to the case.
What's relevant is within the law of Wisconsin, did he fear for his life?
Did he fear that that he was facing serious, significant bodily harm?
I would argue a pointed loaded gun at your head uh would fit that definition.
I would argue that when you're being chased by a mob and you're on the ground and you're about to have your face kicked into the pavement, uh, you're at risk of serious bodily harm or even death.
I would argue if somebody grabs the barrel of your gun and you have to defend yourself, knowing that if he gets the gun, they likely would turn it on you.
It fits the definition of the law based in Wisconsin.
So on the law, it doesn't matter why he was there.
It doesn't matter whether it was a good decision or a bad decision.
After midnight, after two A.M., there's not a lot of good that's gonna be happening wherever you happen to be.
And it's better off if you're home in your bed, safe and sound.
But you know, young kids, they they don't they just don't think the same way as mature adults, unfortunately.
Now this kid is his whole life is hanging in the hands of this jury.
It's gonna and we'll see what happens.
Juries are notoriously difficult to predict what they're gonna do.
There's enormous political pressure in Kenosha outside of that courthouse that I'm sure the jury is keenly aware of.
But if they follow the law, he should be found not guilty on every charge, in my view.
Uh appreciate the call.
Thanks for being with us.
Uh 800, uh, that was Brad in South Carolina.
Iowa, we have Tony standing by.
Tony, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Great Hannity.
Thanks for taking the call.
I and and I'm following this two little nervous.
You know, if they if they convict him, uh I just think it's gonna embolden more and more rioters.
You know, those are the ones that sure there was a certain percentage that were out there to just even though they were breaking the curfew, they were out there to protest.
But it's those well, frankly, the ones the kind of people that got shot are the ones who are emboldened by uh, you know, this this protection to where, oh, if there's a there's not gonna be anybody out there with guns because of this verdict, everyone, you know, the the law followers are gonna be too scared to come out with a gun now.
Like, I'm not sure.
I think people have been emboldened.
No, no, very few people have ever been held accountable for the five hundred and thirty-five riots that killed dozens of Americans, injured thousands of cops, and caused billions and billions of dollars in financial losses for many businesses.
Either they were robbed and and there was looting, or they were burned to the ground.
Their businesses were burned to the ground.
And nobody seems to care to hold those people accountable, even though in many of those instances we have video taped evidence.
Uh look, I this this has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time.
Ferguson, Missouri, we had people on video committing crimes.
Why we didn't track each and every one of them down is a mistake because you are emboldening people.
You're telling people you can get away with it.
You're not gonna face consequences.
The same thing when it happened in Baltimore, Maryland.
That was the pretty gray case.
And the couple in Missouri that stood their ground on their porch while they're McCloskey's community was being stormed.
Yeah.
Well, um, and apparently they went down and they're in Kenosha now too.
I don't know why they're there, but they're apparently wanna they feel so strongly about the case that they feel compelled to go there.
Uh anyway, good call.
I appreciate it.
800 941 Shawn is our number.
You want to be a part of the program.
Sharon is in Houston, Texas on KTRH.
What's up, Sharon?
How are you?
Glad you called.
Hi, Sean.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I wanted to say that I can remember the day when um when Rittenhouse would have been considered a patriot and a hero in the community because he was there to help a community effort of a team of people that were cleaning up from previous and burnings and lootings.
They were they were just doing a community project.
And we cannot let this criminal element that has developed take over our culture and society like this.
We have to we can't let them make us afraid so that we stay inside our houses and we don't come out and we don't defend ourselves.
And I believe that he's standing for all law abiding citizens for the right to defend ourselves.
And and I'm praying for him.
Although, look, do I think this kid probably went there as stated for altruistic reasons?
Yeah, I I kind of got that feeling that he's sincere.
Um do I think it was a wise decision?
I don't.
Because knowing what we know, having seen riot uh having covered one riot after another riot after another riot, um you just don't need to be there in those moments.
I have, for example, there's a couple of friends of mine that were in Washington around January 5th and 6th, and I I advised them all to stay away from any trouble.
And they all did.
They didn't listen right away, but they all eventually listened.
Um because I know what can happen.
I follow these stories, I report on these stories.
I know where the natural outcome of these incidents are.
I know where this is headed.
It's not a lot of good coming out of it.
Um anyway, appreciate the call.
All right, quick break, we'll come back.
800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, more your calls coming up straight ahead as we continue.
We're in Florida today for the Patriot Awards for Fox News.
But we will be live 9 Eastern watching the events unfold in Kenosha.
We'll be right back.
Stephen is in South Carolina.
Stephen, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean, thanks for taking my call.
Uh, just wanted to get off on a tangent uh a little bit about uh to make a point about the current illegitimate administration's handling of the vaccine mandate for health care workers regarding the China virus.
He was calling on behalf of my wife, who uh has been a state employee for the health care system here for 25 years, and she will be losing her job in two weeks because she thinks the uh the vaccine is uh basically a HIPAA violation if you force me to show you.
Can I ask you a personal question that you don't do not have to answer?
Did your wife ever get COVID?
No.
No, we've we've following all the mask rules and standpoint.
No, and uh listen, even people that follow the mask rules, these breakthrough cases are real.
A friend of mine's kid that fully vaccinated uh got COVID yesterday.
Uh it's there are hot spots all over New York again.
Um look, I'm I'm not I as I've been saying, there's nothing I'm gonna say or Fauci's gonna say or the CDC's gonna say or the NIH is gonna say, or or you know, the the blubbering idiot Biden is ever gonna say that's gonna convince you.
So the qu she sounds like she's made up her mind.
Um, I pray she doesn't get this.
I strongly urge you to stay in contact with her doctor.
Um I don't know if you know what monoclonal antibodies are, whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated.
If she ever gets a positive test, uh, you immediately need to contact your doctor.
I have found anecdotally that it has worked for many people.
Um, but that's going to be up to you.
But I will say this.
For people like your wife, in the worst moments of this pandemic, went into a basically a work environment that was a COVID Petri dish, and we're diving on COVID hand grenades every day.
They were the heroes.
And now we're firing the heroes, the nurses, the hospital workers.
And to me, that's unconscionable.
Would your wife accept a test if get tested if that was made available as a choice for her?
I only got about 10 seconds here.
I'm just saying, which that's not a choice.
It's basically just a violation of the 10th Amendment.
There's not a choice.
You either get faxed or prove that you're violent.
If she had the choice, would she accept it?
Yes.
But that's not an option.
Well, I it's sad to me, and that's why I've been trying to get people to back off the mandate and at least thread the needle so people won't lose their income, their benefits, and their pensions.
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Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
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